Guitar Recording in the 80s, 90s and 2000s w/ Tim Pierce
Вставка
- Опубліковано 13 січ 2020
- I saw an article thecritic.co.uk/issues/januar... where rock critic Dominic Green argues that rock music actually died in 1979 after The Clash's "London Calling" and Bruce Springsteen's "The River" albums. Fellow UA-cam, session guitarist and my good friend Tim Pierce and I discuss our thoughts and the state of the guitar in 2020.
The Beato Ear Training Program → beatoeartraing.com
THE BEATO CLUB → flatfiv.com/pages/become-a-be...
BUY THE BEATO BOOK HERE → bit.ly/2uTQFlo
MY HELIX PRESETS →flatfiv.com/products/rick-bea...
KEMPER PROFILES → bit.ly/2SqvzmO
Follow my Instagram - / rickbeato1
*Advanced Harmonic Concepts for Composition and Improvisation Video Course* → www.flatfiv.com
SUBSCRIBE HERE → bit.ly/2eEs9gX
BEATO MUSIC FORUM → forum.rickbeato.com
--------------------------------------
My Links to Follow:
UA-cam - / rickbeato
Personal Facebook - / rick.beato.1
Follow On Twitter - @rickbeato
------------------------------
Special Thanks to My Supporters:
Robert Hickerty
comboy
Alan Nance
Peter DeVault
Bill Grubbs
Phil Mingin
Tal Harber
Rick Taylor
Dennis Lukas
Bill Miller
Gabriel Karaffa
Brett Bottomley
Matthew Porter
Frederick Humphrey
Frederick Humphrey
Paul Noonan
Mansel Ismay
James Jourdan
Terry Van Belle
Stephen Morris
Hans Vilu
Ian Chumakov
Ilya Kravchenko
Nathan Hanna
Thom Theriault
Jason Johnson
David Wilkinson
Chris Scrivo
Kai Ellis
Josh Lawrence
Zack Kirkorian
Ray Rossetti
Evgeny Teilor
Joe Ansaldi
David Fugit
Jonathan Wentworth-Linton
Harry Brocious
Pzz
Marc Alan
Rob Kline
Tim Wilson
Calvin Wells
David Trapani
Abel James
Will Elrics
Hector Medina
Joe Elrod
Chris Defendorf
Debbie Valle
maydad meiri
JP Rosato
Scott Rance
Dave Hawkey
Roger Frankham
Orion Letizi
Mike Voloshen
Ashley Thompson
Matt Pauley
Peter Pillitteri
Jeremy Hickerson
Travis Ahrenholtz
I didn't want this to end. Two more hours of this, please.
Same here....we are so lucky to have this! I was attending conservatory’s and gigging 4 different genres of music trying to learn everything I could in the mid 2000’s and I was up all day all day and night exhausting myself doing it. Luckily I was young then. Now I could never do it. But back then I would of killed to be able to absorb all of this information instead of hoping to learn it somewhere along the way. Not to mention these guys are the best of the best. Between these two channels and now Tom Bukovac’s channel, the amount of guitar/professional recording, tone and gear information we are being given for free in just insane to me and I am so thankful for it.
Nice seeing you here! Turns out you're a good musician AND singer. 👍
Only 2 more hours?? Nooo.... Rick & Tim do coffee, music & guitars should be a thing. Forget that Seinfeld thing. Netflix, can you hear me??
Fuck man. I'm riveted to this.
Hello Dave! Wonderful to see you enjoying these wonderful men and musicians. Tim and Rick are consummate professionals and beautiful human beings! Love your site also…am a contributing member!
"Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read." Frank Zappa.
try reading MOJO its great
Damn I miss Frank.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't teach, write about how bad the others are.
@@whyis45stillalive that's a pretty dumb and untrue truism. anyone who thinks criticism as a genre is just "opinions" is missing the point massively
Theres something not many people are talking about when it comes to music, the criticism of genres based on race. Black music journalists and the woke pro-black networks on the internet are always critical of white artists and white genres. They're the ones who come out after awards shows , or NFL half time shows, to create a controversy, criticize the white artists, and celebrate the black artists.
Theres a whole woke pro-black movement with an agenda thats racially motivated.
Eminem just released an album with good reviews, but there is a bunch of critics saying he is washed up and outdated. Mostly from the pro-blacks. If you follow a pro-black on the internet for any length of time you'll see how it works.
This video represents my favorite thing about UA-cam. Having the opportunity to hear the perspective from individuals like Tim and Rick can shave decades off your progress. Their way of cutting through the noise to get to the heart of the matter is something I cherish. Thanks to everyone involved.
Rick! I have an idea: why don' t you start a series in wich you dedicate each episode to a different producer, trying to explain what makes them who they are, like their distinctive tecniques used on some of their biggest records. I think it would be awesome
Yes!
"What makes this producer great" series.... yes!
Great idea.
He's already done this - Brendan O'Brien (production) and Andy Wallace (mixing) I can think of off the top of my head. Definitely have a look through his videos.
That’s an amazing idea
Also, in the 80s, the American indie scene that encompassed R.E.M. and hardcore punk - where do people think Nirvana comes out of?
Also, thank you for giving The Edge his proper credit. He is an amazing guitarist, and it irritates me that it's even being debated.
Graham Wong Calm down, dude.
@@pandemic7 Shut up dude.
I can`t stand Bono so they make me sick now.
@@tomjones239 You don't like Bono?? Bono is the most important, moral, talented, influential, wonderful, intelligent, incredible person in the world. Just ask him; he'll tell you so himself.
@@patrick5838 Well, Facebook and Twitter banned me for asking Bernie Sanders for a free monkey so I have no way to contact Bono at this time. I wanted to ask Bono what the hell he was trying to say in the lyrics to the song "Beautiful Day." I challenge anyone to translate them....
I don’t have to watch this to know the answer is “no”. But now I’m going to watch it as the idea of Beato and Pierce is too good to miss 👍🏻
HELL No. Right now it's alive and growing with bands like The Black Keys, The Heavy, Black Pistol Fire
@@MaxRamos8 the black keys suck balls
Alan Peters wow, what an intelligent comment...
Really makes you look like a fool.
@@michaelctanner or a 12 year old
Yeh I wouldn’t say The Black Keys brought rock back. Not a fan. Like at all.
Thanks Rick and Tim for having made all these talks together, you illuminate these subjects so greatly - in half an hour you lift ones understanding by years.
This conversation is so genial and humble, down to earth. It feels like I'm sitting at the table with them. Rick has hands down the best musicians channel on UA-cam!
I'm trying to imagine how many prog bands came from the same place in the span of about 6 to 8 years, we're talking Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Camel, Gentle Giant, ELP and no need to mention Pink Floyd.
It's quite mesmerizing how all these bands came from the same country in such a short period of time.
Most of those guys were educated in classical music to some extent. Which might be part of the answer.
iEatyourbrain84 - the band Focus, from the Netherlands, with Jan Akkerman.
King Crimson was a British band?
Chris Squire said it was the music in BBC television shows that gave them a solid backround in music. I would also include Zepplin in that list. They were so much more than a rock band.
@@tiktokisthescumoftheearth1530 yes
I love to hear these two men speak about music!
Love seeing the 2 of you together. So much knowledge combined. Can;t wait for the next.
Brilliant discussion. Rick - it's so great to have a musician's music channel on UA-cam. Thanks for letting us be a fly on the wall.
I really like the discussion about The Edge and his contribution to guitar innovation. This could make a great series: discussion of specific guitarist style, genius, contribution , etc. whether it be shredding, sonic, or orchestration, or in-your- face,, or delicate touch. Eddie VanHalen, or Phil Manaznera, they both offer much.
I wouldn't mind if it was broader and focused on more than just guitarists. Do an episode on Neil Peart, Eddie Van Halen, Kurt Cobain, Sting, Maynard James Keenan, etc. There are tons of musicians I haven't understood and then I hear someone talk enthusiastically about and go back and hear all these little things I never noticed before. I think it helps people to listen to things they otherwise wouldn't and appreciate musicians they never would if they had been left to their own little bubble.
B K yeah, everybody wants to stack delays to hell and back to copy the Edge
The Edge ! Don't make me laugh. You obviously haven't heard Randy Rhoads amazing innovative guitar work in the late 70s early 80s.
@@mattbarbarich3295 If you want to put down the Edge, bring up David Gilmour or Adrian Belew, they're way closer of a "comparison" due to their use of effects.
Matt Barbarich , sure I know who Randy Rhodes is; and I know who Adam Granduciel is too. Both, in my view are worthy of discussion.
The Edge and Johnny Marr
created a new breed of guitarist. Great conversation from 2 great music lovers-Thank you.
Give the Edge his due but guys like Stuart Adamson and John McGeoch were pioneering too.
Also even Keith Levene from PiL had a hugely unique sound when they first appeared.
Neu! was doing post-punk 10 years before brits coined the term. McGeoch with Magazine was british Krautrock.
Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew are trailblazers for texture oriented guitarists.
Johnny Fuckin Marr
@@Bansidhe Keith Levene - you guys keep bringing up such EXCELLENT players!
Can't forget Geordie Walker either.
One of those guys where you only need to hear a couple of seconds and there's no doubt that it's him.
I'm glad you guys found your people here on UA-cam. Its amazing listening to the dialogue.
Seeing this again after many months. Very enjoyable, I could listen to you guys chat about stuff all day long.
Big Country. When Stuart Adamson died, I believe The Edge was quoted as saying something like that Big Country was everything that they aspired to be but couldn't quite attain. Wonder what you think about them and if you would ever do a video about their music. I saw them live once and was just so blown away.
❤️ Big Country
Great band.
A fantastic rhythm section in Butler/Brzezicki and that guitar combo of Stuart and Bruce.
Never got the chance to see them before Stuart left us but he's a big influence on my guitar style.
Dunfermline, where Stuart and Bruce were from is just about half an hour down the road from me.
@@Bansidhe Big Country is one of the reasons the 80's was so cool😎.
@@Bansidhe Brzezicki also played in The Cult too right? Awesome drummer.
Yes, he's on all of the "Love" record apart from She Sells Sanctuary. One of my favourite albums. Billy Duffy is hugely underrated.
Mark is an octopus of a man.
1980 -
-Bon Scott dies February 19th
-Judas Priest releases ‘British Steel’ April 14th
-Black Sabbath released ‘Heaven and Hell’ April 25th with new singer Ronnie James Dio
-AC/DC released ‘Back in Black’ July 25th with new singer Brian Johnson
-Ozzy’s new band ‘Bliizard of Ozz’ released self titled album Sept. 20th
-John Bonham dies Sept. 25th
-(Led Zeppelin disbands shortly after Bonham’s death)
There were other incredible classic rock albums released that year as well... the 70s has incredible music but 1980 was definitely a turning point for so many...
-Bob Seger releases ‘Against the Wind’ February 25th
-Eagles disbanded July
-REO Speedwagon releases ‘Hi I fidelity’ November 21st
Great interview capturing music history. Always enjoy listening to Tim Pierce.
I love hearing the oddities in recording and stories from different eras and scenes. This reminds me of some great players and some great conversations. I thank you for that.
Great perspective on a little Rock history! Thanks! :)
Rock is still alive. It just doesn't matter nearly as much anymore.
So Rock is pretty much dead
Yeah, polka is not dead either!
You guys have the best conversation about music. The part about the Edge and the production aspects behind U2's record was fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to do this guys. Loved it.
I love this, it's enlightening, good job as usual Rick, I hope to see Tim Pierce more in the future!
Generally speaking people who don’t understand the brilliance of the Edge weren’t around to hear him in the early 80s when his sound was undeniably unique.
Neil Young sang _rock and roll will never die_ in the 1979 "Hey Hey, My My (Into the Black)"
He wrote a lot of ironic lyrics, didn't he?
What a great, informative, and authentically sincere discussion - especially for guitarists who also produce. I got it. Thanks for sharing this.
What a treat to listen to those two legends in this interview! Thanks Rick!!
I downloaded Tim Pierce's cd 'Guitarland' about a year ago, one of the best guitar albums you will ever hear, just brilliant.
thanks Paul for the connect - just started listening to it - so very rich and full of colour as Tim himself says he enjoys - the essence good music should be, no ego-tripping, just a beautifully woven Persian rug of sound. the one thing i always complain about though, is the rhythm section, but then i'm spoiled by early Pink Floyd with it's richly turbulent rhythm sections. something that has a slightly more lively (as in variable), rhythm section beneath these guitars would be almost perfect.
Not at all, as many classics like Jethro Tull and ACDC were making insane hits, with newer acts like Metallica and Iron Maiden still growing strong! Rock isn't dead, it just changed
I'm guessing we're vastly different ages, but saying Metallica and Iron Maiden are "newer" acts with 40 years of a career is a stretch...
I'm not a huge AC/DC fan at all, however, they were the first to come to mind. They carried the torch well through most of five decades.
@@seenbelow I meant when Metallica and iron maiden just bursted onto the scene in the 80s
Nobody who has seen a recent AC/DC concert would say rock is dead. Except for Johnson, he looks like a bloated corpse.
It hasn't changed either. No more than usual anyway. It has been uprooted by management. Therefore not put out as "in demand". So, it's not the music, it's not the audience, it's the corporation. Get it right.
I could listen to both of you opine about music for days on end. I love the stories. I love the insights. I love the passion and excitement and enjoyment so evident in both your faces and voices. Great conversation!
Just great to see two fabulous musicians so excited and passionate talking about their favourite subject.
Two extremely knowledgeable musicians talking about guitars and rock. No matter how long this video is it won't be long enough.
Kevin O'ROurke
TIL Rock is not a genre
How can rock die in 1979 when Back in Black came out in 1980? 😛
because technically the end of the decade was the end of 1980, not 79
Michael Xz here we go. That is true if you take the “there was no year zero” approach. That’s too complicated for most, so I’ll just assume that the writing or recording of anything good released between ‘80 and ‘82 was in the works in ‘79 😂
@@michaelxz1305 1980 was not part of the 70's no matter how you slice the decades.
so, by that logic, the new world was discovered in the 14th century, 1492. And we're actually in the 20th century, since it is 20-20. but I jest.
that battle was lost in the y2k and, in the age of social media, the war is lost. Doesn't matter what is technically correct, majority rules decided it is the new decade. And that debate only really affects historians and astronomers, etc. does not affect most people.
@@rd-um4sp No that's just wrong. 2000 is part of the same cardinal century as 1999, that's true. But in no way does that make 2000 part of the 1900's. 2000 is, very obviously, part of the 2000's. 1980 is part of the 1980's because that's how naming numbers works. It's distinct and separate from cardinal century (or decade). But this is all pedantic semantics. Go away now.
This video really demonstrates not only how much experience these two have, but just how amazingly articulate they are in communicating that experience!
I love when you two get together. Y'all are the utmost authority for guitar and music on you tube!
There's another Tuber that I watched recently talking about the same topic; a veteran in recording metal music. He was saying pretty much the same things. He says the equipment used today, laptop and a mixing board, is so much easier to use than a room full of equipment like back in the 90's, but today bands only book the studio for a few days whereas back then it'd be for months at a time. If Pink Floyd wanted to record today, their album would have nowhere near the detail that they used to have because bands actually had entire days to work on the minute sounds coming from each speaker. It's kinda sad to think that Hendrix will never happen again, not because guitar players are hard to find, but because studio time is so scarce for creating well thought out and detailed albums that can be played and appreciated for decades. It makes music seem so packaged and industrialized, which it is, and art doesn't do well under manufacturing standards. Maybe that's why pop has been up for so long. It's easier to produce.
It wasn’t rock that died in 1979. It was disco 💃 As a matter of fact, by the summer of 79, a lot of people were fed up with disco 💃, which culminated with Disco 💃 Demolition Night. It happened on July 12, 1979 at Cominskey Park in Chicago. Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m saying it officially died that night. However, it marked a point in time where enough people said enough. I remember vividly how all the 40 radio 📻 stations at the time overloaded their playlists with it. At that time, I used to listen 👂 to WABC 770 AM when they still played music 🎶 and know from first hand experience. Yet, I also used to listen 👂 WPLJ 95.5 FM 📻 in New York as well and that was the only hold playing rock music 🎶 at that time. I thought 💭 I’d just share that with you.
This above
You're obviously oblivious to house music and dance culture which is what disco morphed into.
Disco demolition was triggered by rock enthusiasts who couldn't dance. Disco has never left us. It's been renamed several times, though.
Dance music has, since 1980 been the biggest charting music. That is when it changed its name and many white acts got in on the act, eg New Order , Stone Rose's, Happy Mondays....
synthfreek Quite to the contrary. You’re about the disco transforming into house or dance music. However, I felt you completely missed my point. It was the dominance of disco that died. I would say it carried on until late 79 or early 80. However, it never regained the dominance that it had o we the air waves, at least in it’s original form. I just wanted to clear that up. Thanks 🙏 for your reply.
Rick and Tim sharing a lifetime of knowledge with us... Thank you gentlemen!!
I just came across this clip --- so much gratitude to Rick and Tim. You guys make the world better with your attitudes.
Just a few from 1980 to 1993:
ACDC - Back in Black - 1980
Scorpions - Animal Magnetism - 1980
Van Halen - Women and Children First - 1980
ACDC - For Those About To Rock - 1981
Def Leppard - High N Dry - 1981
Van Halen - Fair Warning - 1981
Motley Crue - Too Fast For Love - 1981
John Mellencamp - American Fool - 1982
Scorpions - Blackout - 1982
Billy Idol - Rebel Yell - 1983
Motley Crue - Shout At The Devil - 1983
Scorpions - Love at First Sting - 1984
Bruce Springsteen - Born in the USA - 1984
ACDC - Flick of the Switch - 1983
Van Halen - 1984 - 1984
Whitesnake - Slide It In - 1984
The Cult - Love - 1985
Bon Jovi - Slippery When Wet
Guns N Roses - Appetite For Destruction - 1987
Tom Petty - Full Moon Fever
The Cult - Electric - 1987
Def Leppard - Pyromania - 1983
John Mellencamp - Uh-Huh - 1983
Whitesnake - Whitesnake - 1987
Def Peppard - Hysteria - 1987
U2 - The Joshua Tree - 1987
Danzig - Danzig I - 1988
Bon Jovi - New Jersey - 1988
Lenny Kravitz - Let Love Rule - 1989
Motley Crue - Dr. Feelgood - 1989
Neil Young - Freedom - 1989
The Cult - Sonic Temple - 1989
The Tragically Hip - Up To Here - 1989
Danzig II - 1990
Razor's Edge - 1990
Van Halen - FUCK - 1991
Metallica - The Black Album - 1991
The Cult - Ceremony - 1991
Pearl Jam - Ten - 1991
Live - Mental Jewelry - 1991
Lenny Kravitz - Mama Said - 1991
The Tragically Hip - Road Apples - 1991
Guns N Roses - Use Your Illusions - 1991
Stone Temple Pilots - Core - 1992
The Tragically Hip - Fully Completely - 1992
Collective Soul - Hints Allegations And Things Left Unsaid - 1993
Lenny Kravitz - Are You Gonna Go My Way - 1993
Pearl Jam - Vs. - 1993
Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream - 1993
You forgot a whole genre, no thrash, The Black Album doesn't count.
TomVerlaine Flash Light 1987
MSG, dude, u just can’t avoid Michael Schenker
You could argue that it became harder to make albums like Nevermind or OK Computer in the 1990s and thus an amazing achievement. In the end it’s about good songs.
We need more of this, excellent Rick and Tim!
such a rich conversation. Thank you guys!
An "I added guitar to this song" video with Tim Pierce as guest would be killer.
yes it would
With north of 1,200 credits that would be a loooong video. But, yeah, I'd watch it.
@@zbqb84a I was referring to a recent video Rick did with the Five Watt guy where he took a current pop song and added guitar to it. Would be great to see Rick do a video like that with Tim.
Tim does that on his channel.
The Unforgettable Fire is among the all time best rock records.
My favourite U2 album
Must agree. Spectacular every single time I listen to it.
@William Loudermilk Nice example of how to state a subjective opinion as a fact and look like a dumbed down fool.
@@goodun2974 You know you don't have to choose just one, right? Don't limit yourself.
Tim is always such a inspiration to watch and listen! Super humble guy, and a guitar powerhouse. So much one can learn from him and his attitude.
I could listen to you guys for whole day. Amazing conversation
Cool discussion. I would love to hear your thoughts about Prince. I heard he claimed himself to be a funk guy but to me he could also easily hang with or outdo almost any other rock hero of his day at rock guitar as well as rock vocals. Plus he mastered other stuff mentioned in this discussion like blending in keyboards, drum machines, etc...
Prince was totally ignored in best guitar intros for When Doves Cry....I don't think he's on Beatos radar tbh
I like hard left & right too. Just sounds so good.
How come hardly anyone ever talks about Tom Verlain of Television , especially on Marquee Moon.
Great stuff guys
Because Television is a good example of music that many missed (or wanted to miss); around 1978 - 79, people who listened went either towards Bon Jovi, AC/DC and Def Leppard, this kind of music, or towards post-punk. Marquee Moon never stood a chance against the tidal wave of the former in spite of it being better, in my opinion, than all that hard rock stuff. Give me Magazine, Television, and Iggy any day.
Or BeBop Deluxe, or Radiohead...GREAT point
Johmathan .B. Swift Don’t underestimate the playing of Richard Lloyd on that record. Those guitars weave in and out of each other. Do you know who ended up with the Dumble that Tom Verlaine had built? Keith Urban. Couldn’t make that up.
Absolutely this.
@@danielwoodard680 Had their *Live in The Air Age* album. Love Sister Seagull on that.
In your own signature way, you both have done so much to advance musical education: theory, harmony, pedalboards, amps, insightful interviews, you name it. Tim’s suggestion about using a Boss EQ pedal on my board alone, has helped immeasurably. Could not have gotten thru the covid season without you both. Thanks!! And the Shawn Colvin mention made my day- Shawn Colvin, particularly the John Leventhal collaborations, fogettabouttit!
I absolutely love Tim and his channel. I could listen to him tell stories all day.
Thanks for givin' Edge respect, and the Cessna flying through my kitchen.
That wasn't a Cessna, probably a Mooney or a King Air
Randy van Vliet -life without learning sucks: correction acknowledged✌️
@@dr.feelicks2051 OK, it was probably a Lycoming O-540, flat 6... they do have a distinctive sound, especially with no muffler.
@@randyvanvliet226 Mooney? I thought it was a radial because it was so damn slow. :-)
Plane Pilot: lemme do the slowest possible circles around this one backyard
for real, does dude live in an airport
Sounds like an old radial engine warbird.
@@tomblaze2 They're at NAMM. Probably at a hotel near the airport. Rick lives in Atlanta, Tim is an LA hired gun studio guitar god.
Yeah it was like, hey, I think thats Tim Pierce and Rick Beato down there, smh.
There are lots of little puddle-jumper airlines that run up and down the California coast to transport people between LAX and local airports.
Man this is one of the most enjoyable things I've watched in a long time! Simply terrific. Thanks!!
- Tip o' the hat to the long U2/Edge digression; you're both of course 100% right about his innovative approach and influence.
I could listen to these two talk music all day, everyday. The wealth of knowledge and stories are so interesting.
This is a very interesting discussion. Some people over the years have said that New Wave ended Rock, but I don't believe that. Being a fan of both New Wave and Classic Rock, I believe that Rock WAS STRONG throughout the 80's and 90's (some of the 90's at least). Look at Bryan Adams, John Cougar (at the time before going by John Mellencamp), Huey Lewis and the News, Bruce Springsteen, Yes, RUSH, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Journey, Guns N' Roses, AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, and RATT.....just to name a few.
Don’t forget the 90s bands like Alice In Chains, Soundgarden, Three Doors Down, etc.
@@ChefClary60Hell yeah, especially Alice in Chains!!
Rock is not dead/dying..unfortunately what is dying are the "rock icons". Leaving us at an alarming rate lately.
I'm dreading this decade as far as losing the "Gods" that have been and still are such influences in my life. I wouldn't have made it through half of it without Rock and Roll! The good times and the bad.
Making room for new artists to become famous.
@@deusexaethera I meeeaannn you're not wrong
@@ronoku9445: Every music snob says that about their preferred style of music, simply because most bands don't make _exactly_ the kind of music they want to hear.
@@ronoku9445: The previous generation of famous musicians were _also_ few and far between. You just don't remember (or weren't alive for) the process of weeding out the mediocre ones and promoting the good ones to fame.
Fantastic hearing the history you both lived through and learning about the techniques, tricks and evolution.
I can keep on listening to this topic of conversation forever ..... thanks Rick... thanks Tim...
U2's Drowning Man is one of my favorite songs!
Thanks for The Edge being acknowledged as a genius. My favorite is ‘Bad’ , live or studio track. Beautiful!!!!!!
Yes, one of their very best songs.
This episode is like a christmas gift. 2 of my fave youtubers in one place !!
I love hearing these guys talk. You can really tell when people are at the top of their profession.
As much as I love the Edge's guitar playing, it's a stretch to claim that he single-handedly created the style. There were several guitarists in the early 80's underground bands who were using delay, reverb, washes of sound, and other hallmarks of what the Edge does - John McGeogh from Magazine/ Siouxsie and the Banshees, Robin Guthrie of the Cocteau Twins, even some of Daniel Ash's work in Bauhaus and Tones on Tail as well as the guitarists in Echo and the Bunnymen, Xmal Deutschland, and other 4AD bands from that era - all of them come to mind and pre-date Unforgettable Fire. It's probably more accurate to say that that painterly 'soundscape' approach was in the air at the time, and the Edge simply brought it to the mainstream, with a lot of help from Eno and Lanois.
Good points. He didn't single-handedly create the style, but he certainly popularized it. The Edge is probably the most influential guitarist of the last quarter century.
C McA, you can apply that to another genre: groove metal
Some people think Pantera started it, but the fact is there were other bands doing it before Pantera. Pantera popularized it.
But, yeah, there were others using delay in some of the same ways “The Edge” well before he got popular doing it.
He did develop his own signature style with it, though. He used that style A LOT on the second, third, fourth albums.
Totally agree - the sound was going on well before 1984's Unforgettable fire. Listen to Charlie Burchill on the Simple Minds' records Empires and Dance (1980), Sons and Fascination ('81), and in particular New Gold Dream ('82) to which The Unforgettable Fire is probably most close sonically.
Dave Gilmour was the major influence on these guys including The Edge. Don't forget that!!
Case closed! You really know your stuff
2 very knowledgeable people having a casual chat about rock music, cant beat it.
Longer interview !!!! I could listen to this brilliant knowledge for much, much longer. There was no loss of interest in anything that was spoken !!! Thanks Rick, for ALL the segments you put on youtube concerning rock music!
Rick, just you in front of the camera is always superb content. But with Tim, it takes it to a whole 'nuther level. He brings wonderful perspectives to your always-fascinating presentations. Thank you!
I completely agree with Tim's comments on the "colorless" nature of guitar starting in the early 2000s. The way I describe it is, "guitar stopped being a stringed instrument and started being a percussion instrument."
@@goodun2974: There's definitely a lot more rhythm guitar than melodic guitar nowadays, but even rhythm guitar is better than hammering on the same chord for several consecutive bars.
Technically it's always been percussion
@@skyblazeeterno: No. Percussion means "hitting", not "plucking". Guitars are stringed instruments just like violins and cellos; the only difference is they are played with fingers or picks instead of bows.
Rock isn't dead. Journalism is dead.
It’s a combination of both factors : dying journalism and corporate decisions about what to put on the pedestal:)
Rikkousa Taste is heavily influenced by promotion of certain things- as it always was throughout the himan history. Fashions, trends, changing styles etc. In modern world it becomes increasingly harder for any individual to choose from the myriad of possibilities. Usually win those, that are promoted to the top ( not necessarily the good ones)...
@@rikkousa Along with the shrinking attention span.
Jolly Misanthrope -truth.
@@KrystofDreamJourney ...or even pedalboard 😉
Brilliant video. This was one of the most informative sessions. I could listen and learn for what could be a master class
That was a great conversation! Both amazing artists
Rock will never die...it just changes and morphs. I remember in 1990 there was a cover article in Rolling Stone stating "Can Jesus Jones save Rock and Roll?" A lot of people don't even remember that group and their one hit, "Right Here, Right Now" -- then one year later Nirvana smashed the scene.
Does Right here Right now even have any real instruments in it? 😆 Good song tho.
Alex Lifeson in Rush. Perfect imo.
You make a good team together, talk so much sense, always look forward to seeing you . ATB
Great interview and so interesting.
Im really pleased the Edge has been mentioned here, hes so often overlooked but his impact is huge.
The influence Edge has on worship guitar nowadays, is immense. Nice talk, guys....good stuff.
1980: Rock('n'roll) music NOT dead- ACDC's B-I-B released, music bidness thriving, record stores everywhere, plenty of radio stations (FM!) with djs introducing new acts.
2020: music bidness collapsed, 'record stores' and independent radio non-existent, musical acts on SNL cringe worthy, but with UA-cam and Spotify you can INSTANTLY access the most obscure music imaginable, every U2 song mentioned above, and Selena Gomez's new release.
Thank you for finally talking about the Edge!! I feel exactly the way you both do and continue to be a student of his playing.
Amazing interview! Thank you Rick
I've always been a huge fan of Andy Summers and agree that solving the 3 piece band sound was something that he and The Edge (along with Stuart Adamson of Big Country) addressed with magical washes of sound. I love me some Eddie Van Halen too and his method is amazing, but his joyful style seem to have gotten co-opted by shredders who just went for MPH instead of taste so it became sort of a dead end. My all-time favorite is Jeff Beck and his beautiful, idiosyncratic technique has kept me enthralled in the nearly 40 years I knew about his existence. This conversation is one I would have loved to have heard even more of. Good job Rick!
Big Country had Bruce Watson playing rhythm guitar. 😉
The Edge is an absolute genius. So glad Rick and Tim love him too.
nah. dude has little to no technical skill & hasn't developed any in 40 years. the contrast to Summers is super illustrative: you'd never find the riff to message in a bottle in a u2 song, cuz Edge couldn't imagine or play it.
@@RichardMcLamore Take away his Ditto. No, seriously, somebody, anybody, TAKE AWAY HIS DITTO! I can't stand anything he does because of that damn Ditto. Way to overkill it Edge. Everything sounds the same from him.
Thanks Rick & Tim! Well worth the time!
Cheers
I went back and listened to mentioned songs one by one and relearned them. Enough for me to digest for a long time. Great video!
“Rock and roll can never die/
There's more to the picture than meets the eye”-Neil Young in 1979
Watching two of my favorite people on this planet 🤘
Always so interesting to hear your thoughts, i am a big fan of you Rick because your a humble and a so compassionate nice human
Rick, some of the best content out there. This stuff is priceless. Thanks!
I love Rick ,Tim, and I'm a huge fan of U2 and the Edge (I agree with everything you guys said about Edge) but what started out as a a timelime discussion about the demise of rock music in 1979 ended up with a 12 minute discussion of Edge's contributions to modern guitar (immense) and production techniques. I love you guys , I just expected more.
More what?
@@HBSuccess an actual discussion about rock music (assuming they mean guitar centric music) beyond the 90's and early 2000's and where it is today.
Speaking of female musicians and bands in the '90s, I really like Jen Turner's work on Natalie Merchant's _Tigerlily_ album, particularly "Carnival"
Loved that album! Kind of been rediscovering it again. Great observation.
Absolutely. Her playing is great. There is a great video with an older Jen Turner and Natalie Merchant talking about the making of Tigerlily on UA-cam. Well worth a watch.
Didn’t see this pre-Covid when you did it, but this just came up 11mos after the fact on my UA-cam feed. I follow both of you (thanks to Lee Sklar introducing me to both of you) and this was a real treat! We’re all getting used to ‘solo’ videos because of the pandemic, but it’s great to sit in on the conversation between 2 (or more) of you. 🙏
The article did it's job. Emotions are stirred for conversation.
Rock is not dead it is simply being held hostage by consolidated corporate media monopolies, file sharing, spotify/pandora and trust fund posers willing to pay to play and suck up all the oxygen on late night tv where alot of great acts used to get their first real national exposure. Also sub genre purests like hardcore metal and prog metal who reject anything that doesn't have cookie monster vocals, two handed tapping guitar licks, sweep arpeggios and a whole host of neo soul cliches.
It's up to we the listeners now to pick up the trail, find and kill the hostage takers and free Rock music from the shackles of corporate slave masters and a generation of musicians more driven by fear than by their own imaginations.
Wayne Clark I don’t have enough thumbs to raise. You nailed it friend!
Interesting argument, mmm It can be stolen back Nirvana did it once. We need some NEW thieves!
Well Said.. Rock is not dead... Get away from the radio and corporate music BS and you will find loads of it.... Just looking at the 2020 HoF and that catastrophe we now how it works nowadays with modern music and thinking..
Wayne ,you said it for me.all arts are being replaced with propaganda. Whoever talent always wins through the public knows what's good
WELL SAID MAN. THATS ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IN THE CORRECT ORDER
(you're a reader aren't you, good on you for caring man..)
Frank Marino just released a 6-hour long live performance DVD. "Live at the Agora" :) Rock n Roll ain't dead yet. :)
Yes!...He is an unsung guitar god!
As a lousy guitar player who loves the music, I love watching you guys talk about this stuff! It's really awesome to hear this side of the process from people who know what's going on in the back rooms.
Rock will never die, in my humble opinion. As long as there is youthful angst and unrest, rock will prevail.
Awesome interview !! thanks guys !!
Rock didn't die at all in '79. Instead, an entirely new level of pretentiousness(?) was born in music journalism.
For me, that started to happen around Feb '72 in the UK when the NME hired a new crop of university educated writers who were sociologically/politically aware and very influenced by the thinking/polemical style of Rolling Stone writers. Almost from one week to the next, the whole music paper scene changed. I lost any real understanding of pop after that.
No. Moving Pictures was released in 81!
How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb? 4 1 to change it, and 3 to argue about how Neil Peart could have done it better!
What about me?
And Permanent Waves in 80!
At the time Rush were considered as selling out rock and becoming pop as they had the temerity to use some synths
@@skyblazeeterno It isn't fair!
More of these Rick! Great material, thank you.
Great vid, Rick! Two top geezers, and insightful conversation. Cheers