36] We Bought A CHEAP SAILBOAT - A Bluewater Yacht For Crossing Oceans
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Join us as we go inspect and survey our new-to-us bluewater sailboat, a fiberglass Tayana 37 from 1976, designed by Bob Perry. We moor Kittiwake in Cagliari and fly to Spain to see the boat and have a survey done on her. We also discuss all the pros and cons of this boat, as well as the works that we need to do to get her back into shape.
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What would YOU have done? Would you have bought the boat? Tell us in the comments below :)
Bought
Are they giving the boat away ?...If not, run....
Sounds like a long time on the hard.......
So....getting a really good price eh ?...Cool....
She is a beautiful boat.....the best to you....
Good luck guys. Everything can.be fixed if you have enough time and money.The best part is that when you are finished you will know exactly what you have.
Fascinating video. All those aspiring to buy a used sailboat really wonder what a boat survey consists of, how it should be analyzed, etc is helpful, informative, so the survey section of this is excellent. I'll get back to watching the rest of this!
She’s a fabulous boat!! And will give you many years of happiness 😊
And it’s too late to walk away...you are already in love with her ☺️
Haha so true! A little too late 😊
If you got the Tayana for same amount you sold Kittiwake for you did well. It’s been months since you bought her so by now you can answer the question of whether it was the right thing to do. I hope you’ll not keep us waiting long to see how happy you are with your decision in spite of the blood sweat and tears. Congratulations.
Cheers Warren! We’ll try to speed things up with the videos from next month now that we’ve finished the refit, so we can get closer to real time 😊
Spoiler alert: we’re super happy!
Bob Perry design , defiantly a good decision , whatever it takes this will be a great boat worth the work. This can defiantly be a forever boat.
Congratulations!
Check. Out bob Perrys interview on the podcast on 'On the wind' by Andy Schell.
Lots of positives , newer rig , engine , equipment defiantly a great choice .
Cheers Warren
Hey Warren, thanks a lot for the feedback 😊 We’ve listened to it last year, it’s a good one 👍
Sailing Kittiwake I'm so glad, the bulkhead are a common problem in Asian boats the ply is bad, a friend has a 45 something and he replaced the bulkheads yet somehow saved the teak veneer ....he is an ex-pro aircraft builder so finicky! Cheers Warren
If you got boat for a dirt cheap price you have a winner. The hull,engine,deck,spars,sails are good,you have an expensive all weather quality yacht for very little,you both are young and fit have jobs,you both have the world before you.If i were you i would get on my knees and thank God for his goodness.
A nice boat... you did it right. Anything $30,000 or under (Edit:meaning USA, inc - meaning American petro dollars) is a great deal. (After the current owner fixes the major defects)
The title made sigh with worry, cheap so often means your buying someone elses problem. So I was relieved to hear that your did get a survey and by the pragmatic approach to the issues it raised. Your approach also showed you are not naive although you may be a touch influenced by the heart over the head, but we all have got to reach for our dreams. Encouraged by some of the past maintenance and upgrades, this boat has had some love and its got nice practical kit. Im still on the fence but a lot more optimistic and hoping for a happy ending.
Just came here from ep1. WOW! Rock on guys!
Thank you! ❤️
YES, congratulations .. it's your dream .. do it... there are lots of video's on youtube to help you out fixing stuff.
Thanks a lot Stephen! We do like learning new skills :)
Alot of great information, thanks Sid
Really interesting to watch this episode & to hear your thought processes which show how much you've learned. For what you want to do she's a great choice. There is and always will be work to do but for us normal working folk who live on & own older boats because it's what we can afford it's just part of the whole thing. Some of it is a pain, some more enjoyable and new skills to be learned on the way. That boat in the right hands can be beautifil, characterful and very capable of going wherever you want so good luck and I look forward very much to seeing how it all goes...
Thanks so much David! Boat work never ends 😊😁 We hope we can make her shine 🤞
Wishing you both the best of luck with the new boat.
Thanks a lot Brian, much appreciated!
Okay, she's your Dream boat. All the Criticals are Good, or Fair. Hull and engine are Good, Mast is Good, chainplates, windvane, etc. GET HER! Decks are Good, too. If YOU have to Do the bulkheads, No Big Deal, Mads on Sail Life will show you how to Do them Right, and anything ELSE you may need to fix. Kittiwake is a fine little Bahamas/Exumas/ boat, or Coasting, Alphora is an OCEAN-Crosser. Get her, get out of Europe where everything is Expensive, and get to the Carribbean where stuff is cheaper by far. Once you get there you'll want to Stay Awhile anyhow. All the Best...
Hey Jim, is life cheap in the Caribbean? We thought food and internet were expensive. We hope to be able to make it across at some point 🤞
Well, from what I see on the other Sailing Channels, Boats Parts seem to be much cheaper, and Work also. However, stuff you have to Order and have Sent to you is pretty High due to Shipping Fees and Taxes, and it takes a LONG time for parts to get to you. They all have to go through Customs. Foods seems MUCH cheaper. The larger Islands have well-equipped Chandleries for the most part...But I WOULD get a Spare Starter and Alternator at an Auto Parts store where you are, maybe any electric fuel pumps. And you don't HAVE to buy them from a Marine Dealer, just take the Old One With you, or the Numbers off it, and get a corresponding one at an Auto Parts Store, MUCH Cheaper than a Boat Dealer. @@SailingKittiwake
Thanks a lot Jim, great info 😊
@@SailingKittiwake Rigging Doctor did their Refit in the Azores, apparently sapele mahogany is Dirt Cheap there, yard and haulout fees are too. Stainless and fiberglass work is much less expensive, as well. However, nobody who does the work gets in any Hurry to get it Done. They apparently do Good Work, but they live on Island Time, lol...
We looked at the Azores and thought it’d take a lot of luck to get any boat work done - it rains a lot 🧐
Miss you both. Good luc
This is the point at which a sailing channel can turn into a DIY one. Good luck with your decision
We bought her and we’re out sailing, Gus 😊
Good for you
great video, good luck with your (hopefully) new boat.
Thank you! 😊
Congratulations on the new-to-you boat! Great find! That's the boat I would pick, I'm jealous. You'll have it up to speed quicker than you think.
....wait, this is an old episode. Now you've got me hooked. I want to see you guys getting this boat up to speed.
"Work...save....work, save.... indeed; life is that way if you value what you are doing with your life....
Yup. It's only worth it when it's worth it to you.
Check the going price for this same boat that is in excellent condition ready to go. If this boat plus the ball park cost of renovation ( excluding labor ) is a better number Go for it. My thoughts are that you should walk ( run ) away from this boat unless it is free.
Cheers Peter. The boat cost + refit are still 1/3 of the value of a good condition Tayana.
They are good boats
I've just heard from you about 6 months on the hard. When negotiating for a big ticket item please remember stay willing to walk. Do not fall in love with a prospective boat....The Old Timer
Thanks Robert. We have to shop around a lot, as we're always on a budget :)
OoOh I've been waiting for this episode for months! WoW She's beautiful! Admittedly, wood isn't for me but beautiful all the same. As someone else mentioned if you need an education on fiberglassing you should look at Sail Life's Refitting Athena series as his skills have come on quite a bit and the guys an absolute perfectionist.
Cheers Michael! Sorry for the wait. We’ve been busy doing boat work and real life work for 6 months, so we needed the time to string together weeks of sanding, painting, etc into actual episodes. We hope to bring the videos closer to real time in the next couple of months 🤞
Yes, we have watched Sail Life - lots of great info on that series!
@@SailingKittiwake Maybe Boatworks Today as well for fibreglassing techniques.
I have been waiting too! Love double enders.
@@kimrevell9419 me too, the tayanas are one of my faves along with the corbins.
But Mads on Sailing Life has intense OCD. He doesn't work on a boat, he rebuilds them to the level of museum quality gems. No one can match his determination to achieve perfection. Any boat he restores will be worth 10 times any other, and I don't think anyone else could achieve the results that he does.
Hi guys ... huge congratulations on a tough decision taken thoughtfully. You’ve shown your mettle on this channel over the past couple of years and I’m one of those backing you to continue to overcome the challenges that everyone who owns a boat knows about! No one has a right to hassle you while you work through the issues. I reported one of those who made a bullying, personal comment a couple of days ago and it seems he’s been taken down. We all need to take a stand against people who post aggressively on social media. Meanwhile, go you guys ... good luck with the battles!! 🤙🎉⛵️🍻
Aw thanks Roy! ❤️ You’ve been so amazingly supportive all this time. We really appreciate it 😊
Not gonna lie I love that little turtle but the Tayana will get you to the Marquesas alive.
Yep, and she's got the load carrying ability to get there with some food and water left!
Good work and good Lucky...
You have a lot of work to do! Wonder how it is up at the time, 2 years later! I would not bought it, because I have to left hands and don't know much ;)
Older boats are generally built better than newer ones .
Definitely agree with that 😊
I don’t know much about boats but if it were a car I wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole.
Yeah, it wouldn’t work well as a car - no wheels :)
best of luck to you
Cheers John!
My understanding is that cats don't heel where monohulls do, but monohulls don't bounce around the way cats do. Cats are lighter and wider, so they're more affected by waves and less by wind. Cats also grind tyo a halt in the water if you overload them where monohulls just go even slower :)
Santa Maria di Bonaria. Did you visit the small museum with the mummies of the 17th century, spanish officials living there, and the large collection of "ex voto" for safe guarding against the perils of the seas?
No, we didn't :(
It is worth, while travelling to visit also the memories of our story, as we are because they where.........Good luck with your new, seawondering home.
Thanks a lot :)
Grazie, mi scusi il lapsus tra story e history, tipico della lingua italiana che non distingue. (anche where al posto di were, ci avevo pensato ma ho lasciato correre, ma questo è un refuso di battitura senza pensiero). Spartaco.
Si figuri Spartaco, parla inglese benissimo!
What I missed a bit is the information: "Why you want to buy a new boat". I have some disadvantages of kittwake in my mind, but I am curious what you guys think.
You can’t stand inside, the noise of the water on the nacelle drives you nuts after a while, the cockpit is uncomfortable and we were paying for marinas like a 12m monohull, which is ridiculous.
Good luck !!!
Thanks!
It is in bad shape, but it will be beautiful! Best wishes!
Cheers Randy! 😊
wil it fall apart?
How much did you pay? (Probably say it somewhere.)
You have antlers sitting on the couch.
Oh I always have my antlers
what type of boat?
Run.....
Sailing amphora.
A hole in the water that you fill with MONEY.
You're doing it wrong, it's a beautiful floating home that takes you on adventures and keeps you out of trouble :)
I WOULD HAVE STAYED WHERE I WAS,AND NOT TRAVELED FAR.WASTE OF TIME,MABY..START OFF RIGHT.GET ONE ALREADY DRY DOCKED,THAT RIGHT THERE SAVES MONEY,AND THAT WHAT THE NAME OF THE GAME IS.NOT JUMP ON A PLANE,AND TRAIN,LOL...JUST FUNNIN YA.GO OVER THE BOAT YOURSELF WHIT THE OWNER,AND IF HES HONEST HELL SHOW YOU AROUND,AND LOOK AT THE PAPERS,ETC.AND IF IT'S LEAGLE,AND YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE,HAVE IT LOOKED AT BY A PRO,AND GO FROM THERE.CHECK EVERYTHING,AND THEN SOME..MAKE SURE OF THE MONEY YOU'LL NEED TO SPEND,ON SLIP FEE,INSURENCE,REG.AND TRY TO START THE ENGINE,AND LOOK AT IT WHEN IT'S RUNNING.MAKE SURE ALL THE SAFTY THING'S LOOK GOOD.CHECK THE EXPIERING DATES ON THE EXTINGER,AND MAKE SURE NO LEAKS AROUND THE PROPELLER SHAFT,NO LEAKES,AND CHECK THE SPARE TIRE,LOL...GOOD LUCK MATES,AND DONT JUMP INTO THE WRONG DEALL..
Ok i watched the video,please stop youtube!
Now you've left a comment, they'll be onto you 😉
@@SailingKittiwake and i will probably have to watch the next episode 😂
What a shame 😁🤭
Too Much major work to do. There are a lot of boats out there. It depends on the condition of the deck core. Keep looking. Find one that has had the repairs done already.
Hi guys, I loved this video, you really showed the dilemnas you were having, I have no idea if I would have bought this boat or not as I don't know enough about boats to decide, I did like the way you looked at it though and if there was a solution to a problem then really its ok, you have a fix in place( I guess then time and money come into play). You said it was your dreamboat so i'm glad you decided to go ahead, it will be interesting to see the repairs and journey to completion. it looks to me like a definite step up in terms of space and sailing skills so massive best wishes. your a great pair, so likeable and I send good vibes and sailing love your way. PS I notice a few snide comments below and guess that comes with the territory but I find it so disappointing, obviously not all comments can be favourable but if your being negative I think you should at least be constructive with it. Good on you Ryan and Elena. safe journeys.
Perhaps I missed it ... but I wanted to know what "cheap" was?
Exactly
Purely dishonest to go through and not a word about how much did it cost
Me Too!!
I decided to start watching from the beginning.
"what he's asking for it" -- Why did they avoid the price?
Congrats, guys! She is georgeous!!! You'r e probably ready with most of the work by now, but anyway, all the blood, sweat and tears you put into her, make that you enjoy her way more than if you would have bought a new boat. :-)
Greetingz, Wim
Sailing Exodos congratulations 🎊🍾🎈
I prefer the videos where people have these kinds of challenges. Versus the what vintage champagne shall we have tonight Muffy ones.
Hey Jay, then our channel should be right up your street :) For us, living on a sailboat means a lot of hard work, which in turn means that swimming in a stunning anchorage or exploring a new town feels even more special. We try to keep things real, rather then trying to sell a luxury lifestyle.
Do let's have the Cabernet 98.
If the bulkheads are rotten and water has come from above then chances are theirs going to be bad core damage in the decks. You may be facing problems like mads from sail life has had on his warrior 38. Very big technical repairs.
Did you notice in the video that we took samples and the decks are dry? 😊😇
Exciting dilema.
I have recently moved up from 27f foot to 35 and she is huge.
But the bills are bigger too.
Would not go back though 😂
You have bought her so best of luck. Nothing wrong with dirt. Keeps the price down and easily solved. But you are rightly cautious about potential issues under the dirt.
I bet the sails are tired.
Hull engine and mast OK.
Ais and Taylor heater is nice.
You are going in eyes open (or trying to - weve all been there).
As you say, definitely drill to check for deck rot. Definitely do this. Even now you've bought her. It is always better to know.
15 year old rigging is a concern if you are going anywhere.
Possibly replace with galvanised?
Rotting bulkheads a concern.
How did the water get in.
What else is rotten?
Anything can be fixed but the volume of work is the issue.
You don't give financial numbers so hard to guage the balance point of cost vs benefit.
She is beautiful though.
I look forward to the refit story
All the best
S
Add up the cost of the repairs to get it back up to scratch - rigging, bulkheads, teak deck. The surveyor can certainly assist with local costs of labor and material. Assume you are going to own a project boat...and see if the effort/ reward equation adds up. An owner can overwhelm themselves with what seem like "minor" issues.....and never get to cruising again. Been there.....recently......
No such thing as a Blue Water sailboat, Webb Chiles just completed a circumnavigation in a Moore 24, without even stand up head room, he did it before in an eighteen foot open sailboat, any boat is a blue water sailboat in the hands of an experienced seaman and no boat is a Blue Water sailboat , in the hands of a novice.
What did you end up paying and what repairs did the owner agree to?
Love joy peace wealth & abundance for all from Thailand . Older boats need close scrutiny .
Thanks so much Phillip 😊best wishes to you!
The buying of a boat is so strange. If you walk on to your boat you just know and nothing a sane or sensible will stop you. Just like getting a puppy or adopting a child :-) I think you two will do alright!
🤞🤞🤞😊
You’re soo right!
Old original teak deck=
Run far far away
Doing fiberglass is easy as hell, especially just doing tabbing. Lay down a plastic bag on flat spot, lay down one strip, wet it out and repeat 2 more times. Pick up multi layers and wet out contact point. Then simply place by hand into position, use a small roller to squeeze out air bubbles. Last step, cover with peel ply. Too easy! For structure use epoxy but remember you can use poly over epoxy but not the other way around.
According to Industrial Plastics here in Canada epoxy over poly but for structure not poly over epoxy. ???
Ancient rotting boat - run away & get something to sail not bodge
Mark Berger, amazing. A year later Skua is in the Caribbean. ☺️😉
In Brazil the decision of buying a sailboat is much more dificult because we do not have neither so many options nor such a large offer of sailboats to check. Even a surveyor is completely unusual and very amateur procedure. I am exactly, in this moment, searching for a sailboat to live with my Family. We are studying a Victory 42 feet monohull (fyber - 1984), with a lot of good equipements and electronic installed. Very well manteined. However, i couldn't, even now, to find a technical and sailing information about the boat.
Wow Gustavo, it sounds like a tough task in Brazil! We hope the new boat will be everything you hope for 😊
Sounds like big money to fix, if I were you I would go for fibreglass boat or ply epoxy boat and a catamaran would be the best choice, I wouldn’t go for another mono. Look at a Wharram Tiki 36, Woods Mira. Something with a 3ft wave clearance to avoid wave slapping. Kittiwake is very low to the water hence slapping motion. Go try one before buying a mono.
This boat is fiberglass indeed.
I have at times admired the Yayana 37. The spoon bow, the Collin Archer stern❤ Now you own one! I like the way you redid your teak decks. I built my 36 by screwing my teak down and pegs. Others now are complaining that they wished they had pulled the deck up and either used 'all grip' or clued the teak down with new and improved glues. With some much work done please continue as ya go. May your seas be kindly, and the wind to your back.
Cheers Michael, yes we heard so many people saying that teak decks were the devil, and to never buy a boat with a teak deck etc... but we love them so far! Great grip and don't show dirty footprints like painted decks do.
Well done! All defects can be rectified and she will be beautiful again! Quite a step up in size and capability from Kittiwake. Will you keep the name? Great video!
Thank you! Yes, we agree 😊 We’ll change the name of the boat but not the name of the channel 😊
Great to see your process of getting the Tayana. You are right to be cautious and you were both obviously pensive in the survey de brief but considered everything carefully, pros and cons. I felt very much the same when I bought my Rival as it had lots going for it and some negatives. Surveys are never a good read but once you pin down the essential jobs, those you can do yourself and those that might need professional help then it becomes clear. I must admit I fell in love with my Rival when I stepped aboard and the negatives that I found afterwards were a downer on me possibly buying it. Sounds like you built up in your mind what the boat may be like based on owner description but found things slightly different in the light of day. I don’t think you will regret this at all as it gives you access to the world for cruising and space to grow onboard in comfort. Fair winds and can’t wait to hear how she performs at sea. Andy UK
6:05 ... a few minutes in and Ryan had his thinking antlers on .... ? Useful .... 🤣
They help him think 🤔
I thought for sure that I would be the only one who noticed the "antlers". But seriously my boyfriend and I love y'all. We're a bit older, (40's) but we're thinking hitting the seas too. We need a break from the chaos that is our current reality! Your videos are very helpful. Take care, have fun, and keep posting videos!! ❤️
My thinking antlers never lead me wrong. :)
26 ft cat VS 37 ft mono ,,,,, there is no comparison . bi plane VS M-109 ,,,,, you will see the same jump from 37 ft mono to a 50ft cat or mono
would I have bought ? no
Rigging should be ok if 10 years old and not much used. UK insurers seem more worried about rigging age than continental insurers. Try a Dutch insurer (docs are in English) if your UK insurer has a problem.
Old teak decks are only a problem if you want to replace like-for-like. If you’re happy to slap on synthetic anti-slip it’s usually fine if deck integrity is ok.
She looks great and you’ll have fun doing her up and as a sailing experience will be a massive upgrade on Kittiwake. Good luck!
Thanks so much 😊 We found a British insurance who care for the condition of the rigging rather than the age 👍
Yes, she’s a big step-up from Kittiwake for sure!
An excellent presentation. Thanks for sharing. Nice web site. Love your style. What to do? Hard to say since we bought and fixed our boat. I guess if you love the design, buy it and fix it. All older boats come with something. The question is can you personally deal with it?
My wife and I are looking for a bigger boat, too. We have a 9.95 meter Aphrodite 101 which is probably smaller than your Kittiwake. You are right on about size. Much bigger and the costs begin to shoot up. Our attention has been grabbed by Tartan 37s which are also good seagoing yachts. We have seen both the Hood design and S & S design and like them both. I'm for the Hood and she's for the S &S. (So?? What should we do?)
As a professional yacht captain, I have sailed the Tayana 37 as well as having spoken with the designer by phone about the model. Good boats and I doubt it will let you down. One couple I know did two years in the Caribbean and USA East Coast. They were very satisfied with the yacht.
We have also rebuilt a couple of yachts. I don't want to do it again but I must say it was not nearly as much trouble as we first envisioned. Now, we are ready to retire and sail for pleasure.
Look forward to viewing more. Thanks and keep well!
Norman of Averisera
Hi Kittiwake: Thanks for the "heart."
Hey Norman, I thought I replied 🧐 maybe it didn’t publish (we had some connectivity issues yesterday). Thanks a lot for the lovely comment 😊 All older boats have problems to fix and we’re not shy to learn new skills, so we should be OK 😊👍
@@SailingKittiwake Yeah, learning the skills is a fun part of cruising. When Elizabeth and I look at a boat the question is always, "can we fix it?" We know we will have to just don't know when. We also find that the easier the boat is to repair, the less that goes wrong. Anyway... back to work. Thanks for the comms.
I had one of the T 37, I got her new back in 1984, I ended up with her because of some mix up with the order for a T 42 I had in, so they gave me this T 37 that they had in stock, well you know he old saying that every cloud has a silver lining, well this mix up was one of the best things that ever happened to me, I loved that little boat, and I sailed all over the place in her, including both what's across the Atlantic, most of the time single handed. In all the good and bad weather I was in on her I never felt at any time threatened, she will look after you even in the worst conditions, you will give up before she gives up and when you do she is very easy to hove too, and she will lay there and wait for you, they like to be reefed sooner rather than later, but out in the ocean you could not ask for better. Of course mine was new so I never had any of the problems you are faced with, but if you give her all the TLC she needs you will be rewarded 10 fold, mine had the pull berth, instead of a V berth, and that was the most comfortable bunk I have ever had. There are two places where your water damage may be from, normally on the T37 it is from the chain plates, but if she is an early one it may be under the cap rail, there may be a join under there, right in the middle, and on some of the older ones it was over lapped in the wrong direction and water would seep in. With modern opoxy it is easy to fix if you take the cap rail off, repair it and then sekaflex the cap rail back on. But double check that the chain plates have been done correctly. You guys should join the Robert Perry fan club, on FB, Bob will answer any questions on construction or repairs you have, he is a great guy. Good luck, you have bought a great boat.
What a great story, Barry! Lovely to read. Yes, we think she’s a great boat. We’re members of the Bob Perry fanclub on FB 👍😊
You brought a hole in the water now pore in the money, the good news is freedom to move as long as you are willing to put in the work. I'm an old boatbuilder from NZ
All that matters is that you both love the boat.Enjoy it.All the work is probably done by now so looking forward to the sailing videos closer to real time..Congragulations on your great attitude and videos,keep up the great work .
Thanks Bevan! 😊 The boat work is finally over, yes. That’s the only reason we can start releasing these episodes 😂 Man, it was a looong winter 😉
To your question, I would have purchased the boat and focused my efforts on the rudder and the standing rigging. Any wood replaced for the bulkheads I would paint white to brighten up the interior.
This video really got me excited to see what is coming up.
Thanks a lot Mr Perry 😁 We can’t wait to show you how it all went 😊
Good to see the cats out the bag! We think you made a great choice. Yes its a bit of work but all boats are. Sail Safe. Ant & Cid XX (SV Impavidus)
Yes, no boat in our price range comes problem-free 😁
Thats a great blue water boat! At 40 years old but about the same price as your 26' catamaran, you guys will be very happy. Tayanas are fabulous boats.... Fiberglassing is like cooking, get a good recipe book, you'll do fine! There's alot of DIY UA-cam videos out there: Boatworks Today, Sail life, Onboard Lifestyle, etc. I'm looking forward to you sailing her to the Caribbean in the future, cheers you two!
True 😊 And Kittiwake is 39 years old 😁 so we’re not going for a much older boat 😊 We’re keen to learn new things 😊
6:12 nice antlers dude XD.
As a salty old sea dog once told me, a woman on a boat is bad luck. You make her scrub the deck then walk the plank.
I'm guessing your seadog friend didn't have much luck with the ladies?
Bulkheads two options replace them completely or cut away the rotten sections on the bottom and replace only the rotten sections .Polyester resin is more easy to learn than epoxy but needs higher temperatures and more materials to work at 100% . Personally get a expert to look and estimate the cost for the repairs . That way you know what the best way to fix stuff. Athena is example of ways to fix things but a bit over kill for most boaters. Again get expert rigger to very costs to replace or repair . The attachments at bottom of stays can be cut off and remade losing a few inches on the length of the stays which can be made up with shackles or bottle screws. Wire off shackles the stainless steel types unwind themselves. Replacement Diesel heaters the van and truck types can be got online from China for €200 and they are virtually the same as marine types costing often € 2000. surveys often use small ball pin hammer on decks and tapping sounds tells them where hollow parts are but is a art form to learn I recall seeing on a UA-cam on survey boat but for now i forgot the link . Also coastal Spain often isn't the cheapest for dry land work best to do minim work get going to cheaper places . You can look spain inland river regions but there are very few of those . France south isn't too cheap on coast but some inland regions might be cheaper. Lots of boats seem to collect on french spain border on french side so that might be cheaper region .Ask around where is cheapest place to lift boat and work on it . Greece is problematic nice but like turkey problematic . Turkey has cheaper good boat builders but sourcing complex sailing parts due to import tax can be a issue. Portugal up the rivers might be cheaper . A lot of the work like bulkheads fiber glass and furniture and even engine and rigging work can be done on the water but it tends to slow the work a lot especially if you're on the anchor . The most sheltered big bay in spain suitable for all year anchoring I know of from other sailors with smaller boats is direct south from Barcelona to the corner of spain but not sure the depth in the bay for lager boats. There exists some bays in atlantic spain for smaller boats and some I saw while driving through the region looked good for larger depth boats. However The marinas seemed to be also stupid money in Atlantic spain region. There seemed to be mooring available maybe even anchoring in Cadiz region it has huge sheltered bay . However Cadiz bay is commercial region so maybe they charge a lot for mooring . I too based in expensive Ireland am forced to revamp my 1976 ~3/4 length deep keel ~27 foot boat on the water in a inland marina costing 1000 euros a year as the cheapest solution versus lifting out .
next year it a free mooring in a sheltered bay before sailing off once again to warmer climes . If you do find a suitable cheap dry land spot in Spain Portugal or France consider to truck the boat there . Boat trucking prices sometimes can be cheaper solutions than staying in expensive regions fixing craft up and then getting unplanned delaysand extra unplanned costs .Trucking solutions tends to ben best solution for boats sub 30 feet but sometimes 34 to 36 feet older more narrow hull boats can squeak in at the lower costs for trucking. Height width and weight and distance and time of year are the factor that impact trucking boat costs. Too wide the lads need extra expensive escorts on the roads .
A lot of the western side Mediterranean ports charge lower prices on the hard for the first 6 weeks and then ratchet up the costs exponentially after that. Good luck keep us all posted
For extensive cruising in hot climates a teak deck is not to be preferred. Below deck the boat gets hotter than a boat with a fiberglass deck. Also teak decks require more maintenance and must be expected to reach the end of the service life after 15-20 years. And that is in temperate climate. Shorter under the blazing sun of the Med.
I have done a lot of boat work over the years and this boat would not be my first choice. :-/
But I also understand the process of falling in love with a particular type of vessel. That has cost months on the hard instead of being sailing.
Thanks for this. We’re still undecided on the teak decks; we want to try cruising with them before doing the back-breaking job of replacing them 😁 They’re so thick though, we wonder if they are indeed at the end of their lives.
Plus all the leaks. Pull it up and glass the deck over. Paint with heat reflection paint.
In this boat it wouldn´t make sense any other material.
But i agree, i do prefer "teakless" decks. But if it´s well maintained and with some inner isolation you can make it last and less warm inside. But you have to admit that she´s a beauty... ;)
@@SailingKittiwake Thick teak decks are good :-) That is a good sign.
Another issue to look into is how the teak is fixed to the surface below. Very often boats from the 70s will have a fiberglass deck with balsa core below the teak. Sometimes the teak is screwed onto the deck with stainless or brass screws. In this case it is important to check whether the screws have perforated the fiberglass and lets water penetrate into the core material, balsa or foam of some sort. If the teak is glued on, this is not an issue.
It's screwed on I have ripped the decks up on a few Tanya's
Go for it! its a beautiful boat. That and the Hans Christian are boats that where so well made and like Tanks out in the ocean and I don't mean slow just could go through anything. Good luck and look forward to seeing your progress. cheers all the best to you. Andy
Couldn’t agree more 😊 Thanks a lot. We hope you’ll enjoy the upcoming videos 😊
I had a 1984 Tayana 37 from the late 1980s thru 2000 and loved it. My ex-wife got it in a divorce settlement and immediately sold it. One of my sailing friends also had a 1984. He called his a sailboat and mine a Yacht, since I maintained everything in pristine condition.
Oh what a shame! We hope you have lots of good memories about the Tayana 😊
Hi Are all the pro and cons reflected in the price, are you looking for a cheap boat, if so, they all come with more cons than pros....best fo luck
Theses make of boats of this age and condition maybe worth around 20k but could be worth double that when restored to its former glory. so a good investment.
Totally! That's why we went for it. Thank you.
Brush up on your fiberglassing skills. There are plenty of youtube videos on it to learn it. And I would be concerned about the rudder. I think you are right to want to check it out. I think you might want to remove it and check it that way, then you can see how good the mounts are as well.
Cheers Grant! Good advice 👍
I was looking at a boat similar to the one you’ve chosen but 35’. A Baba Flying Dutchman to be exact. Asking price was $44,000 U.S. She was a gorgeous boat, but I would have to spend close to $75,000 to get her were I would want her to be. So I walked away...
Hey Rudy, wow $75K? That’s a lot. We do all the work ourselves, so we can get away with spending around £5K with the first refit 😊
New rigging, new deck, teak-leak, interior-teak refinishing, extras, extras, watermaker... It all adds up.
I can fully understand your trepidation, but as many have said, I think in the long term, this is & will be a fantastic choice for you both :)
Thanks Paul. Always lovely to read your comments 😊
Tayana 37 :D might have to subscribe. Would I have bought her, will be totally different than what I would recommend others to do. That all depends on how much effort, work and experience you have plus more importantly what are your plans or are willing to do. Sure I would, but some of those jobs to fix her up will be bit of work. Personally I would likely tear up all that teak deck, which would give me better look at the deck underneath. Then refit everything down with all new seals. Bit of work but think it is worth it considering state the boat is in (and for extra peace of mind). Plus side, if you go back with NON-teak deck, it should save less work and maintenance down the road. I also do not have much glass experience, but everything else I do. Figure I could manage learning that.
Cheers Kevin! We’ll be documenting the process of refitting her 😊
Good on ya for restoring this classic. I personally would not have teak decks but at least if the core is ok that can be dealt with later. I've always liked the Tayana 37. Living wise I think she will be perfect for you. Will be interesting to hear your impressions sailing a full keel boat like this.
Yes, ideally we wanted one with fiberglass decks, but at least we can do it ourselves when we’re ready, and be sure it’s done well 😊
I think you have clearly done your research in the make and model boat you want, and found one that seems to be in your price range. I think you have done your due diligence in researching the health and condition of this particular boat, and are well informed of it's condition and what it is going to take to get it where you want it to be. You have lessened the number of "surprises" you will encounter to the minimum you could.
Once you put all that information into the pot and let it simmer awhile, you made a decision based on the best info you have, and your gut feelings...and that is about all anyone can do. I look forward to seeing you bring her back to life.
Arch, thanks for a great comment 😊 We did think it through quite a lot, so we hope we made the right decision.
She is beautiful and will be marvelous when she has experienced your love and care, yes I would have bought her because she will be a dream come true, Congratulations!!! Enjoy! I look forward to seeing her back on form, I don't think that you will ever regret the decision, fair winds
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Thank you Andy! 😊😘
If your worried about the standing then consider changing the primary forestay and the two outers as a minimum. That will help you sleep at night knowing the mast won’t come down. The wire at the top of the mast can be the most unknown, I’ve not seen anyone pointing out the three wire change solution.
Don’t do anything with the teak. Be practical in fixing the bulkhead.
Thanks for the advice Nigel, always appreciated. We've changed the backstay and will probably change the other top of the mast wires before any big passages. We'll see how we like the teak, so far we love it - especially that you don't leave footprints all over it when your feet are wet. Thankfully the previous owner agreed to sort the bulkheads along with quite a few other bits.
I think of all your videos this is the best. You obviously went through a lot deciding if to buy or not and I think you have made the right choice. Robert Perry boats are bloody good (though not my cup of tea). And by the way the best fibreglasser I knew was female - just had a better touch. Once you have made your decision you will not regret it. Really looking forward to your next videos - and your camera work is much improved.
Cheers Nick. We do love her. We hope you enjoy the new episode too 😊
Hydrovanes are one of the best systems and my preference. Auxiliary rudder wind vane steering is the way to go for many good reasons. Servo pendulum is hard on your steering gear and you don't have the peace of mind of the second rudder . The other cool thing is it frees up the primary rudder so you can use it like a trim tab. Lots of solo circumnavigatiors use hydrovanes because the are very robust. Good luck with it all and thanks for the video
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Thanks so much, Buccaneer 😁 The Hydrovane is a nice perk, isn’t it?
@@SailingKittiwake It's a very fine thing indeed. As is the body of work you guys have created, for people looking to live afloat. It's great resource you have created for every one.
Thanks so much 😊 We enjoy doing it 😊
How much was it?
Just found your site, congrats. The Tayana 37 is a blue water classic, well built, well designed. How do I know ?,,, I have one,, love it simply love it. She sails fantastic in a ocean swell, dry and safe. I subscribed, P.s I have the teak decks, I like them myself, but each to his own. The owners web site is fantastic, Mr Perry is very active on face book, very helpful. Cheers good job , good luck.
Thanks so much! Yep, the teak decks seem to draw a lot of opinions but so far we think they're great too. Is yours a pilothouse? The picture is small so hard to see but looks like it? We've had a bit of chat with Bob - he's a great guy and like you say we're lucky to have a designer who will give advice to owners even though our boat is over 40 years old. Hope you enjoy the videos. Do you know the other Tayana UA-cam videos SV Ramble On and Return to Seasons (SV Bear) they're both great
@@SailingKittiwake Yes I have the pilot house, have scene the others site, enjoy them very much. Cheers and keep smiling
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Way to much talking and flapping of the gums more vid and pictures
Arrr! People used to complain there wasn’t enough talking and too much music. We’ll never make everyone happy I guess.
You have been sensible, thorough and realistic; I think you’ll be fine. All boats need maintenance; this one is a beautiful boat with plenty of room. You seem to like it so that is the important thing, if you can afford it great. People have been crossing the oceans for hundreds of years in similar boats. Good luck and enjoy it you deserve it.
Cheers Os! Some interesting remarks 😊
Seems like a good buy if you are able to put the work in. I've got a forty year old boat too. It's an ongoing project. But if the design is a good one and the basics are there, then you should be fine. By now you'll have a pretty good idea. I look forward to seeing it take shape. Best of luck!
Cheers Paul! She has lots of good things compared to most Tayanas on the market (no wooden mast, “new” engine,...) and she was a fraction of the price 😊 We’re excited to share the process of it with you 😊
GET THAT BOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha! Done 😁
Fools rush in................................
Or they get a great deal, refit the boat in 6 months, and sail off into the sunset with a boat worth 3 times what they spent 😉😉😉