A snubber is a cheap yet vitally important piece of kit. The anchor windlass is not designed to take the load. It surprises me how many people anchor without deploying a snubber.
yes something so simple as the snubber as opposed to ripping the windless off the boat with all hardware ripped out of the deck its just so unbelievable but that is the power of the sea. The moon controls the sea on earth but the most powerful force on earth is the SEA .
Love your thoughts on paint, cameras, toys and bling being the absolute last thing you spend your re-fit budget on. Great advice for newbie sailors dreaming of living the UA-cam Vlogger sailor life. There are some real "winners" out there that should NOT be on the water, for sure!
I notice, on so many boats for sale evaluation videos, made by Americans, always when looking around down below, talk about how much money is needed for an upgrade to paint, galley, etc. They are all about appearances.
I remember seeing that T37 for sale early this year. (Out of Darwin) I think. It was priced as a boat that perhaps wasn’t Bluewater ready. Regardless a sad ending for a classic vessel.
This story reminds me of Sailing Sea Dogs which wrecked on the coast of Ibiza. With no snubber the windlass clutch failed and payed out all the anchor chain which resulted in the yacht drifting ashore. Very sad.
If you don't think you're boat is in good enough shape to keep you safe in the worst storm you shouldn't be taking it off shore, you have to have faith in your boat, this boat was built so tough that it pulled through a storm on it's own, with only a tear in it's sail.
Humm Tayana 37. Great boats if they are fully renovated. A few known problems with them. Doing that trip with the old Perkins and no way to do a raw water pump repair? Shame that the snubber failed. Sad story. Sail Safe mate. Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
"Liking" this video seems somehow wrong. What an uplifting and, at the same time a sad tale. Thanks for sharing. I guess there are two takeaways from this: Firstly, of course, we don't know the circumstances that prompted the crew to abandon the boat but the old adage of never stepping DOWN into a liferaft is absolutely right - in other words until your boat is actually sinking, stick with it! Yes, get your liferaft deployed and prepare your grab bag but the liferaft should be an absolute last resort. Secondly (and this is no reflection on your pal, who clearly went way above and beyond to help a fellow sailor), never rely on your windlass to secure your anchor chain - even with a snubber. I always apply the snubber and cleat the bitter end of the line to a deck cleat then pay out some chain to give slack above the snubber attachment then wind the chain around a second deck cleat. The cleats are designed to take the load, the windlass is not.
Thanks guys. Yeah I think the crew just climbed directly up onto the ship, there was no life raft deployed. Knowing what I do about the situation I would for sure have stuck with the boat as it wasn't sinking but they had thier reasons that at the time seemed serious enough to warrant flicking the Epirb switch. Absolutely agree with the snubber and anchor
@@SailingLearningByDoing...fatigue can frequently, and quickly - especially in rough conditions - dramatically reduce ones ability to think clearly and cope with major problems on board a yacht. With a dodgy engine and huge tear in the genoa who knows how they were coping. This next comment is not a reaction to your thoughts, or Sailing Mood Shadow's...but we all too often hear sofa warriors winning the talk-it-up-cup speaking poorly of people who abandon their yachts but they have no right to do so until they stand in the owner/skipper's shoes, on their deck the moment they decide to seek rescue or abandon ship. Very sad to see that lovely yacht break up on a reef...especially as a Canadian (it was registered in Alberta, oddly enough!). Edit: never thought of cleating my chain off on deck, in addition to the snubber. Must try that as it makes sense - if the snubber fails in a gale the windlass is bearing the load!
@@williambremner9022 Yep, agree mostly for sure. Fatigue , lack of good food due to rough weather, worry about crew members can all make decisions tough.
@@williambremner9022 none taken 👍. I absolutely agree no one should pontificate about a person's decision unless they are actually there to see the situation first hand. My point was simply that unless the boat is actually going under - or taking in water faster than you can get it out - then you should stick with it. A case in point: if you've ever seen the film "A Perfect Storm" there was a dramatisation of the crew of sv Satori being airlifted off the boat. Quite rightly that crew were terrified of the conditions. However, after the storm the yacht was found drifting undamaged. It did, eventually end up on a beach from where it was subsequently refloated and continues to sail. Full story here - www.westsail.org/satoristorm
G'day mate, how are you and happy new year.. Great to see your channel here... not a great outcome for the owners but I was wondering what happened to that boat as I was there when that whole chapter was unfolding... curiosity satisfied.. Will be back to break out some more dance moves at the shipwreck in the new year
HiJack! Bet no-one ever said that to you before eh? Yeah, sad ending to that saga. We are in Banda now but missing the Rote crew for sure. Give Steve a big hug from us will ya?
@@SailingLearningByDoing yeh ah of course I will be snooping through looking for nuggets of information,this and replied comments is how we share these days after all,stay safe.I saw your post on fake book about the shit paint yesterday and today recommended on yt so I actually watched the whole video.May I suggest using what the local fisherman use for bottom paint,I’m sure they get the good stuff or at least maybe do a vid on it for comparison. I’m in Newcastle harbour and the cabbage and barnacle growth here is beyond belief,mind you this hull hasn’t been painted in many many years,I’ve scratched her back but at the waterline in three months of fresh and brine it’s crazy fast growth.
Please advise me if I'm wrong but the snubber failing doesn't seem to point to the boat being unseaworthy, just a badly rigged snubber. Why was the boat abandoned in the first place?
Yep, I agree that it was the snubber failing that caused the boat to hit the reef. There were plenty of things happening beforehand that could have been avoided,
By the time I got back 3 days after it sunk the whole lot had been salvaged. What you see from the drone shots is really just the hull. There is still a stainless water tank and the engine in but they were gone 2 days later.
@@SailingLearningByDoing yea, not surprised at all…Indonesian fishermen will strip a wreck down to its bare decks faster than you can say Jack the Bear! And they’ll put it all to good use.
@@williambremner9022 Dave got most of it off but the locals claimed their share for sure. Every stainless bolt and screw were taken as it like gold here.
Sailing Moon I agree with you on that I'm not even going to click the like on this video because of it being a sad story that is so awful. And to the owner of the boat I'm sorry for your loss on your boat but at least you're safe God bless you watching from Roseville California USA Ray Garrett
this story plays out over and over.. boat abandoned, but survives just fine. You have to be there... you can't make judgements ...but it makes you wonder.
Yeah, so so sad. People like myself dying to spend some of our twilight years sailing for a few years, and can’t afford blue water boats. Tragedy and it happens all the time around the world.
I hear ya. Many people buy a cheap boat as thats all they can afford. This is fine too but it needs to be realised that there will be a ton of work needed before that boat is ready for blue water passages again
There were several things going wrong, motor out, jib ripped and some other small things. I think it was the ocean state that scared them the most. Given another chance I'm sure they would have made better decisions
@@darrenmanser2847 Yeah, the boat was not really in danger from how it sounds, just not very comfortable. So I can somewhat understand when they left it for the "safety" of another boat. But the boat was already lost at that point.
There were several things going wrong, motor out, jib ripped and some other small things. I think it was the ocean state that scared them the most. Given another chance I'm sure they would have made better decisions
Ha.... I was really lacking in footage to go with the interview. When the boat was recovered I thought the story was over and when I came back after the storm it was 3 days after the boat had sunk.
@@SailingLearningByDoing yeah, what a total emotional rollercoaster as you stated. Truly feel for the captain, sad. Hopefully he had insurance on the vessel and gets a decent return! Hope you and your lady are enjoying your "winter" closer to the equator!
@@SailingLearningByDoing and you've tried both at sea? Sorry to bother you, but I always prefer to ask around and it's an important purchase [ what isn't ] People always say 7x50 for the ocean because it's too hard to hold on an object with 10x50, but I thought I'd ask.
Get image stabilising ones with a compass, I was told 10x50 were too hard to focus on an object so I bought 7x50, still hard to focus if conditions aren't calm.
"the fancy drone to film yourself is not going to save you" and thank god for that.. because we have plenty more Narcissists posting all about thier fascinating selves.. no loss .
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A snubber is a cheap yet vitally important piece of kit. The anchor windlass is not designed to take the load. It surprises me how many people anchor without deploying a snubber.
Yep for sure
Great information on this poor situation seemed destined for the bottom glad no one was on her last voyage
We agree!
Breaks my heart to see a story like that considering the boat was home safe and still an asset what a waste , cheers Alister in OZ.
Yeah I agree, was super sad to see it
yes something so simple as the snubber as opposed to ripping the windless off the boat with all hardware ripped out of the deck its just so unbelievable but that is the power of the sea. The moon controls the sea on earth but the most powerful force on earth is the SEA .
Love your thoughts on paint, cameras, toys and bling being the absolute last thing you spend your re-fit budget on. Great advice for newbie sailors dreaming of living the UA-cam Vlogger sailor life. There are some real "winners" out there that should NOT be on the water, for sure!
Absolutely!
I notice, on so many boats for sale evaluation videos, made by Americans, always when looking around down below, talk about how much money is needed for an upgrade to paint, galley, etc. They are all about appearances.
Awesome video, terrific advise on the boat being structurally sound before setting off on a passage.
Absolutely!
When i bought my first boat the old guy said the boat can handle more than you can. And land is youre danger. True here.
Yep, I've always believed I'm the weakest link.
Oh my lord! What a sad and unlucky story. Thanks for sharing very much appreciated. Love the drone footage. Stunning.
Thank you kindly!
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
My homeland! I wonder how she made it there.
I remember seeing that T37 for sale early this year. (Out of Darwin) I think. It was priced as a boat that perhaps wasn’t Bluewater ready. Regardless a sad ending for a classic vessel.
That very same boat I'd imagine. Lots of things painted over to make it look good.
This story reminds me of Sailing Sea Dogs which wrecked on the coast of Ibiza. With no snubber the windlass clutch failed and payed out all the anchor chain which resulted in the yacht drifting ashore. Very sad.
Yeah pretty much what happened here. It only needs one title thing to end in tragedy.
If you don't think you're boat is in good enough shape to keep you safe in the worst storm you shouldn't be taking it off shore, you have to have faith in your boat, this boat was built so tough that it pulled through a storm on it's own, with only a tear in it's sail.
not tough enough to withstand hitting a reef though unfortunately.
Fascinating story with a lot of good advice…
Thanks for listening
I thought a Tayana was a overbuilt Bluewater yacht? Really a good deed y'all did.
An old Tayana is just like any other old boat, full of systems that dont work properly.
Tragic!. Good effort all around
They tried
It is a heck of a story!
Love you and your stuff.
thanks
Humm Tayana 37. Great boats if they are fully renovated. A few known problems with them. Doing that trip with the old Perkins and no way to do a raw water pump repair? Shame that the snubber failed. Sad story. Sail Safe mate. Ant, Cid & the pooch crew.
Yep, many mistakes were made along the way here and ended up with a boat on the reef. No-one was hurt though.
"Liking" this video seems somehow wrong. What an uplifting and, at the same time a sad tale. Thanks for sharing.
I guess there are two takeaways from this:
Firstly, of course, we don't know the circumstances that prompted the crew to abandon the boat but the old adage of never stepping DOWN into a liferaft is absolutely right - in other words until your boat is actually sinking, stick with it! Yes, get your liferaft deployed and prepare your grab bag but the liferaft should be an absolute last resort.
Secondly (and this is no reflection on your pal, who clearly went way above and beyond to help a fellow sailor), never rely on your windlass to secure your anchor chain - even with a snubber. I always apply the snubber and cleat the bitter end of the line to a deck cleat then pay out some chain to give slack above the snubber attachment then wind the chain around a second deck cleat. The cleats are designed to take the load, the windlass is not.
Thanks guys. Yeah I think the crew just climbed directly up onto the ship, there was no life raft deployed. Knowing what I do about the situation I would for sure have stuck with the boat as it wasn't sinking but they had thier reasons that at the time seemed serious enough to warrant flicking the Epirb switch.
Absolutely agree with the snubber and anchor
@@SailingLearningByDoing...fatigue can frequently, and quickly - especially in rough conditions - dramatically reduce ones ability to think clearly and cope with major problems on board a yacht. With a dodgy engine and huge tear in the genoa who knows how they were coping. This next comment is not a reaction to your thoughts, or Sailing Mood Shadow's...but we all too often hear sofa warriors winning the talk-it-up-cup speaking poorly of people who abandon their yachts but they have no right to do so until they stand in the owner/skipper's shoes, on their deck the moment they decide to seek rescue or abandon ship. Very sad to see that lovely yacht break up on a reef...especially as a Canadian (it was registered in Alberta, oddly enough!). Edit: never thought of cleating my chain off on deck, in addition to the snubber. Must try that as it makes sense - if the snubber fails in a gale the windlass is bearing the load!
@@williambremner9022 Yep, agree mostly for sure. Fatigue , lack of good food due to rough weather, worry about crew members can all make decisions tough.
@@williambremner9022 none taken 👍.
I absolutely agree no one should pontificate about a person's decision unless they are actually there to see the situation first hand.
My point was simply that unless the boat is actually going under - or taking in water faster than you can get it out - then you should stick with it. A case in point: if you've ever seen the film "A Perfect Storm" there was a dramatisation of the crew of sv Satori being airlifted off the boat. Quite rightly that crew were terrified of the conditions. However, after the storm the yacht was found drifting undamaged. It did, eventually end up on a beach from where it was subsequently refloated and continues to sail. Full story here -
www.westsail.org/satoristorm
G'day mate, how are you and happy new year.. Great to see your channel here... not a great outcome for the owners but I was wondering what happened to that boat as I was there when that whole chapter was unfolding... curiosity satisfied.. Will be back to break out some more dance moves at the shipwreck in the new year
HiJack! Bet no-one ever said that to you before eh? Yeah, sad ending to that saga. We are in Banda now but missing the Rote crew for sure. Give Steve a big hug from us will ya?
Real world information without the bullshit,you’ve earned my sub buddy.Wish the outcome could have been different.safe sailing buddy.
Thanks guys, glad you enjoyed it and hope you'll take a look at some of our other videos
@@SailingLearningByDoing yeh ah of course I will be snooping through looking for nuggets of information,this and replied comments is how we share these days after all,stay safe.I saw your post on fake book about the shit paint yesterday and today recommended on yt so I actually watched the whole video.May I suggest using what the local fisherman use for bottom paint,I’m sure they get the good stuff or at least maybe do a vid on it for comparison.
I’m in Newcastle harbour and the cabbage and barnacle growth here is beyond belief,mind you this hull hasn’t been painted in many many years,I’ve scratched her back but at the waterline in three months of fresh and brine it’s crazy fast growth.
As an owner of a Hans Christian it is a heartbreaking end to a strong blue water cruiser.
Yep, agreed but even the strongest boat is no match for a reef in a storm. At least no-one came to harm
Please advise me if I'm wrong but the snubber failing doesn't seem to point to the boat being unseaworthy, just a badly rigged snubber. Why was the boat abandoned in the first place?
Yep, I agree that it was the snubber failing that caused the boat to hit the reef. There were plenty of things happening beforehand that could have been avoided,
Where'd the rig end up? All that clear water. Thought for sure we'd see it laying on the bottom from your drone shots.
By the time I got back 3 days after it sunk the whole lot had been salvaged. What you see from the drone shots is really just the hull. There is still a stainless water tank and the engine in but they were gone 2 days later.
@@SailingLearningByDoing yea, not surprised at all…Indonesian fishermen will strip a wreck down to its bare decks faster than you can say Jack the Bear! And they’ll put it all to good use.
@@williambremner9022 Dave got most of it off but the locals claimed their share for sure. Every stainless bolt and screw were taken as it like gold here.
Sailing Moon I agree with you on that I'm not even going to click the like on this video because of it being a sad story that is so awful. And to the owner of the boat I'm sorry for your loss on your boat but at least you're safe God bless you watching from Roseville California USA Ray Garrett
Thats a lovely comment. Most others are concentrating on the reasons why the boat was abandoned. Very good and caring human.
@@SailingLearningByDoing thank you
Unfortunate end after so much effort given to bring it back. Glad all safe. A different kind of video to hone production skills.
Glad you enjoyed it. We are always looking for interesting things to show you guys.
Stay we with the boat. No water pump so you abandon ship?
Thank you
this story plays out over and over.. boat abandoned, but survives just fine. You have to be there... you can't make judgements ...but it makes you wonder.
Yep, thought that a few times myself but until in a similar shituation I cant judge
Sounds like the boat was fine, but the snubber rig failed.
yep, thats it
Yeah, so so sad. People like myself dying to spend some of our twilight years sailing for a few years, and can’t afford blue water boats. Tragedy and it happens all the time around the world.
I hear ya. Many people buy a cheap boat as thats all they can afford. This is fine too but it needs to be realised that there will be a ton of work needed before that boat is ready for blue water passages again
May I ask why they left the boat in the first place? Just because the engine died?
There were several things going wrong, motor out, jib ripped and some other small things. I think it was the ocean state that scared them the most. Given another chance I'm sure they would have made better decisions
Most sailors (I use that term generously) step off when they could actually stay on board and with better skills and larger berrys could self rescue.
@@darrenmanser2847 Yeah, the boat was not really in danger from how it sounds, just not very comfortable. So I can somewhat understand when they left it for the "safety" of another boat. But the boat was already lost at that point.
Wow a tayana thats really too bad
Yep, never nice to see that.
This is terrible... Absolutely tragic.
Well no-one was injured, thats the best part of the story. A nice boat was lost thats all
Very sad to see. What was the boat, Westsail, Tayana??
sad indeed. Its was a Tayana 37
Do they know what happened to make the owner etc abandon the vessel originally?
It was a combination of things breaking, sea-state, and lack of confidence
I'm interested to learn why the boat was abandoned, to begin with.
There were several things going wrong, motor out, jib ripped and some other small things. I think it was the ocean state that scared them the most. Given another chance I'm sure they would have made better decisions
Dramatic credit roll 😉...crazy story
Ha.... I was really lacking in footage to go with the interview. When the boat was recovered I thought the story was over and when I came back after the storm it was 3 days after the boat had sunk.
@@SailingLearningByDoing yeah, what a total emotional rollercoaster as you stated. Truly feel for the captain, sad. Hopefully he had insurance on the vessel and gets a decent return! Hope you and your lady are enjoying your "winter" closer to the equator!
@@michaelryan5160 thanks mate. He had no insurance I think. Sad ending. We are enjoying winter here and away from the covid maddness
GREAT JOB just hard if the owners arnt around
yep for sure
Looks like a cascade of mistakes that ended badly, sorry to see that.
Indeed it was, it started before they even left port.
Binoculars? 7x50 or 10x50? what do you think?
10x50 for sure
@@SailingLearningByDoing and you've tried both at sea? Sorry to bother you, but I always prefer to ask around and it's an important purchase [ what isn't ] People always say 7x50 for the ocean because it's too hard to hold on an object with 10x50, but I thought I'd ask.
Get image stabilising ones with a compass, I was told 10x50 were too hard to focus on an object so I bought 7x50, still hard to focus if conditions aren't calm.
the recovery team must feel now really??????
yeah gutted
"the fancy drone to film yourself is not going to save you" and thank god for that.. because we have plenty more Narcissists posting all about thier fascinating selves.. no loss .
If you dont have film footage of something then did it even happen?
11:46 dog appears 😂
Could all have been avoided unfortunately
for sure
If they didn’t abandon the boat, and knew how to anchor properly it would’ve been fine!!
absolutely agree
These two should have just stayed at home! lol
I bet they wished they had!
Salvage claim and the owner give mr 50% off the price off a Formosa 51 . I recovery it last year in Philippines
Crikey......I think the moral of the story is ....make sure your ""snubber"" is good to go .. the anchor and chain also
Haha, there are lots of morals to this story but yeah, if the snubber didnt break.... The chain and anchor were fine.
WTH!
Unlucky
: )
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Anyone can claim that boat be cause
Anyone can claim that boat due to it was abandoned
Not exactly that simple but yeah...