I couldn’t be more happy that you guys passed on this boat because we bought her! Then immediately sailed her down the east coast of Florida and ran a rhumbline from Key West to Kemah TX. So excited for both of our new boats and adventures! ⛵️
The "Silence of the Lambs" clips were hilarious. The expert advice was particularly educational this time. We're really looking forward to the rest of the gems in this series.
I'm less than a minute in and I hust have to say how impressed I am with how you've arranged these videos, Pro tips, etc.. I understand your reluctance to walk away from atticus, but this new chapter in life and deciding to raise a family will be a moment to cherish forever. I can't thank you enough Jordan and Desiree for sharing your journey with the world.
Kobor - you are SO right! A good dinghy is indispensable for cruising - most new cruisers don't realize how reliant they are on the dinghy. I love a boat with a flat foredeck for securing the dinghy but it's hard to get that until one gets a boat over 42-44 feet.
G'day Jordan & Desiree, a major concern I have in regards to the Tay 42' are the black iron petrol tanks. They do tend to leak on the bottom corner welds. The Tay 42's were built in Taiwan at the Ta Yang yard where they unfortunately, opted for black iron for the petrol tanks, which is obviously a huge "No No!" You can always bladder the tanks. However, still really not an acceptable solution. I would definitely replace them.Huge cost though! The big problem is the petrol tanks were installed before the interior was built, so removing the tanks becomes a large pain in the arse. You essentially have to demo part of the boat in order to replace the tanks. Secondly, the windless is in a well which certainly protects it, but results in a very shallow angle for the chain to wrap on the gypsy. The canoe aft offers little to no room mate. The interior was definitely in nice condition. Robert Harris was really a competent designer when it came to seaworthy cutters. Nice boat mate. However. I I just can't see the rationale of the price,, when you know the boat needs work mate!
Love the "Silence.." clips, your modest "armature" status claim, AND the Comments from the pro. Really a very big addition to the series! I would use this guy in a heart beat. Best used boat review I've seen for the last 10 years.
Hi Guys, Yes it is a beautiful boat. However, for kids consider that you need clear decks, a centre cockpit is safer. I am saying it again, check out an Amel Santorin. It is in your price range. It is a smaller version of “Delos”. Consider dinghy storage, getting on and off while at anchor, access when stern moored, ease of deploying a boarding ladder, reasonable access to everywhere while underway, ketch rig equals smaller sails with matters if you have to take them off the boat for repair where you have to carry them any distance. A larger boat always looks attractive when comparing to a small one, but take your time. Looking forward to the next one you review. Stay safe. Cheers, Niall
Im sure you guy's will choose wisely, you have won my respect with your simple ways of thinking and mostly how you've started from scratch!! With love from Greece!!
Just listening to you and the excitement in your voice, appears you may have found your boat. I’m a powerboater, many extended trips to Abacos, but helped a friend sail his Tayana 42 from Amelia Island (Florida) to Marsh Harbor, Bahamas, five adult males on board. I think it was the same layout as you are considering. During the six day trip we were comfortable and never felt crowded. Boat seemed a little slow to me, but we were not in a hurry. Not sure it means anything, but another sailor friend visited the Tayana factory years ago and was impressed with the care and precision of construction. Remember, you are exposing this nice boat to many others who may be shopping. Aside from that, my gosh she’s a beautiful woman.
Nice to see you review the Tayana 42. Brought back a lot of great memories for my wife and I. I owned a 1986 aft cockpit 42. Took it up and down the US east coast and over to Bermuda and back several times. It is a very comfortable boat at sea with a smooth motion in a seaway. Not a snappy roll as some lighter displacements boats have. Loved the boat but..... it did not back up under power worth a damn. As long as you never back it up, great. Also had a tendency to lay more beam to the sea when hove to. I tried all kinds of sail plans and couldn’t really get the bow up more. Never much of an issue but in gale conditions would have liked more nose to the wind and seas. Dinghy access was from the side gates. Takes some getting used to and the canoe stern really makes it hard to manage a dinghy on the davits. The broker was very spot on about the furniture being built around the systems. Really tough to work in some of the spaces and replace components. Nice review. Love my catamaran though!
Thank You for taking us on this part of your journey. It is very interesting to see what boxes need to be ticked to make this work for your future sailing adventures. Thanks for taking us along.
Love to follow your "family planning." Best thing a couple can do while you are young! We've homeschooled four with great fun and success. Look forward to watching your online community and family grow! Keep it up!
We live on Delca in Oriental NC. That is just down the road from New Bern where you will be for your next boat. Delca is a Tayana 42 Center Cockpit, so a little different than the one you saw here. The boat is solid, and handles wonderfully in big water. Ours has been around the world twice, and soon will be again with us. You are correct, she is heavy and a little slugish in light breezes, but under full sail will go. Also, she doesn't point real close into the wind well. But I don't think you can find a better boat for the price. Everyone who sees our Tayana, gives us an added nod of respect. If you get to Oriental, we would love to show you around. Also, the canoe stern cuts a little space as you said, but we have built davits on ours for our dinghy, and you can't beat it with following seas.
It's really helpful to understand your perspective as you review these boats. You have obviously spent a lot of time looking into what works for you and what you need. Given you are looking at the next ten years, that is critical thinking that often doesn't happen.
thanks for the review. this helps out so much when you are looking at different boats and trying to hear a true and honest opinion from experienced sailors and not just salesmen.
I helped deliver that boat from the Bahamas to Jamaica and then on to the caymans. Great sailing boat, the larger 120 headsail is a great addition making 150nm days easy. I am partial as we also own a T42, but when you look at boats that can haul the ridiculous amount of gear a cruising family accumulates safely you will almost always sacrifice light air/ windward performance. That is one of the newer T42 and the condition reflects it. I think it could be a great family cruiser.
I love that you are sharing your search online. I find it to be very valuable for those who are also considering a change. My personal take is that you might still be looking too small or may consider a CC. I understand that ur starting a family and the 1st (or 2) will still be tiny humans, but in a CC, generally speaking, the aft berth is truly a cabin with a walk around bed and en-suite. A ketch rig complicates that a bit, but it would give you both a true private space while raising an infant. Beneteau made a 42cc and a 44 cc that you might check out. Just a thought. Kudos to you both and good luck!!!!
Raising your children while traveling the world is priceless... I could tell from the video that the Tayana was thought out and maintained well, but replacing tankage (if needed) wouldn't be worth it at that price. A couple things to consider is davits, especially with children you will raising and lowering the dingy often, you both need to be able to do this easily. The solar panels could easily come off during hurricane season. I like the idea of no running backs, and mast steps at least to the lower spreaders. You didn't mention windless or ground tackle, usually a 2 person job. many other thoughts but just trying to plant some seeds. thanks for your humor during the video, you guys are cute together!
HAVING RAISED TWO KIDS OF MY OWN I MUST SAY, THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS REFERENCE FLOORED ME....I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING. THAT SAID, I LOVE THIS BOAT FOR YOUR FUTURE FAMILY PLANS.
I cannot thank you guys enough for doing these videos We have been on the hunt for a few months now I have a family of 4 In finding a boat that checks even a few of the boxes I am finding very difficult On my own My wife and I love and respect your opinion and outlook on boat life from day one p.s. How awesome to have John on your side Godspeed
I am learning so much about boats that I never knew before and in a great way for most of us to comprehend. Thank you for another great video and all the work that you both put into every video. It's a lot of work but it's educational.
I have a tayana 37. 43 years old now. Finding a turn key blue water world cruiser will be brutal. 150,000 budget is good if thats what i heard . You will get a lot of boat for that price. Center cockpits are awesome for kids ,keeping them safe.
I was on a Tayana 37 for about 3 months sailing the west coast (BC, Washington, Oregon, California). Overall, it was wonderful. The worst was while "in irons" with 4 to 7 foot choppy seas: very uncomfortable. Eventually we retreated into port at Eureka to wait out nine days of those conditions combined with 15 to 25 swells. The advantage was that afterwards "normal" ocean conditions are a breeze.
Great yacht. Don't knock the canoe stern - it works really well in a following sea and this boat seems to have plenty of storage space whatever so this shouldn't be compromised by the stern.
Canoe stern is a nightmare for getting in and out of a tender especially with kids. Go for some thing with a better sugar scoop or swim platform especially as you spend so much time at anchor.
Like you, I was blown away by how well maintained it appeared to be. The biggest downer was your brokers opinion about future major repairs to the tankage. That sounds like lots of $! Your approach to your search is really well thought out and presented!
Am really enjoying the 'boat search' videos! Desiree's eyes sure lit up talking about storage and extra room :). Can't wait to see which boat wins in the end!
I get so excited every time I see a new video pop up! Can't wait to see what happens in your future. Kids add a lot of extra work too, so a boat that you don't have to do a lot of work while sailing will be great.
Yes I was thinking they had the same boat but having just watched thier refit video in the aft cabin , thier aft cabin goes from one side to the other. I think the difference is the Falcon has a centre cockpit. They have mentioned it's a bit of an issue dealing with the mainsail covers and reefing with the centre cockpit but I think what they gain in aft cabin more than makes up for it after seeing this boat. Maybe you could break through that bulkhead and put all that equipment under a double bunk as it is on the Falcon?
I’ve sailed the Tyanna before and it is a beast of a boat. Very heavy. It’s a small tank and can take a lot of punishment. It can take way more punishment than you can, which can make for some hair raising journeys. I love the boat however, the caveat is in the age and all the wood. That guy was not kidding about the tanks. My friend recently had a new fuel tanks custom-made out of stainless by a small welding shop in England. And the tank is NOT easy to get at to replace. Just about every time we set sail something went wrong; a bilge pump, a fuel pump, electrical panel, etc... again the boat can take a lot of punishment, however the result of it is often things get knocked out. Also, some thing about the door to the lower deck always swinging and breaking, in particular the hinges. So, you have to be very calm, crafty, and think on your feet and maintain your cool. ProTip: if you want some cleaning maintenance like refinishing, a good scrub down, and some engine maintenance. Bring it to Cuba. Best professional work for the most reasonable cost anywhere. But you have to bring the stain and materials, because they don’t have access to much.
I mentioned before about the CSY 44 They built a aft cabin walkthrough which was cutter rigged. This boat had some unique features. 1. Large forward head with separate shower. 2. Large cold plate fridge And Freezer. Very comfortable nav station. And the my favorite, a walk in engine room. Amazing. It even has a work bench in there. And if you open one of the cockpit hatches you get great light and ventilation while working on the engine. They are older boats but there are some out there in fantastic condition. I have sailed a cutter rigged and have seen 11 1/2 knots. In blue water, the boat feels so solid and secure. There is no perfect boat. There is going to be projects. The objective is to find one with the least amount.
Im loving the boat reviews, this is one very stunning boat. I understand your position about project to sail ratio. Another range of boats you should be looking at is amel.
Beautiful boat. I live on a Morgan OI41 with my daughter and that has a LOT of room and I'm impressed with what I saw in this video, especially the engine access.
I think it’ll be interesting for you guys to look back at these videos after you have kids and see if these current expectations fit your new reality. I’m a long-time follower of your channel. I’m grateful you’re willing to share your talents with the world. Keep it up!
That's the nicest Tayana 42 I've seen in the market for quite some time. That said, Bernie nailed it! If those tanks have not been replaced then you're in for a world of pain because they will need to be replaced soon and you may have to destroy the interior to access them. I'm going to say it again....Cabo Rico - fiberglass tanks...access to all systems...imminently refit-able... and much less expensive to start with. Just today, I sold a nice Cabo Rico 34 in Cape Canaveral for $75K....
Single line reefing is easy enough to undo. It is supposed to make it so you don't need to go on deck to reef but it ends up making you go on deck to reef as it binds, tangles, catches...at mast reefing is fast and safe (esp on big stable boats). I converted my boat from single line to at mast. Much more reliable. And gets rid of 5 miles of line messing up the cockpit and cabin top.
Agreed. All my lines, except reefing, lead aft. I'm in the SF Bay and usually start out w/a reef, anyway (lot easier to shake out one you don't need, than to put in one you do).
I had a daughter who regularly showed up in our bed until she was 5, the other kids night visits petered out before that age. Something to think about when you're looking at your berth. I'm enjoying the boat search!
Listen to the expert. My personal experience: "The older it is (whatever "it" is) and the more it has been used (think rode hard and put up wet) you are just taking on someone else's problems (not to mention its' problems) and just attached a Black Hole to your finances and resources." And yes, that has more than one situation to which this saying is applicable.
Tell that to folks that went out and purchased a brand new Chevy Vega. New boats break and have all kinds of issues. Buying new does not guarantee anything. Used however can be a demonstration of quality workmanship and longevity. It all depends on the boat and manufacturer and the year.
I think people’s experiences makes them experts on their experiences, not necessarily on all boats and boating in general. Often they extrapolate far too much. Others’ experiences are good and helpful for consideration, but often not expert advice.
@@CPTCleoTorris You can have a used, top-of-the line used whatever. Age, usage and/or abuse, exposure to the elements, etc., etc., WILL have a detrimental effect. And as time passes, these issues only become more pronounced (and multiply) and expensive. Facts.
These videos are great guys! You're really doing a great job! Homerun for sure and we appreciate them bigtime as we are currently learning what we can to prepare for buying some day, thank you very much. :)
Nice looking boat on the "outside".....glad you were able to take the time to do a thorough review and not fall into the trap of beautiful aesthetics. Good luck on the next one.
So glad you achieved your target. I pledged because you are doing something I would loved to have done when I was younger. At 71 I am too old but get a lot of satisfaction and fun watching you pursuing your dream and am so glad to be able to offer even a small amount of help. Best wishes from us in the UK and looking forward to viewing your next chapter.
I know a couple who sailed around the world on a Catalina 42 MK2 and they loved it. Reasonably priced, can be relatively new, lot's of space, big cockpit with swim step/sugar scoop and decent performance, for a mono.
By the time your "little ones" start school you'll probably be on to your third boat. It'll be at least six years before the first one starts. Can you add a wind vane?
This series of videos while you find your next Atticus are great. Instructional as well educational. Thanks for sharing. As.a father of 4, I laugh to myself as you describe raising two kids on a sailboat. Plenty of room, you say? Press on and don't listen to anyone who presumes to tell you what to expect introducing kids into your lives while living on a sailboat. It'll all work out. Smooth sailing.
As a life long sailor, racing and cruising for over 50 years, I recommend you look at Halberg Rassy 43, German Frers design. Also, look at Swans and Baltics. You will find these boats sail like a dream and have better systems and are stronger than almost anything else on the water. Also, your sea time will be shorter because of their speed. I am not a fan of full keels because they are slower, do not go to weather as well and are much more difficult to handle in harbor. A fin keel with spade rudder will motor in reverse as easily and predictably as it goes in forward. Also, with children you will want a sugar scoop transom with steps.
Tayanas are great boats. The weight and mega keel makes them awesome for anything but pulling into a marina. Lots of room, super sailability, stable even in storms.
Thank you for the video. It is a beautiful boat. Of course you know much more than I about what would need to be done. It seems like no matter what used boat one gets there will be repairs and changes that have to be accomplished. It's good that you've lived on a boat and have the ability to see various aspects of what needs to be done. Stay well and safe. ⛵
Ha ha! Rad, I'm psyched you're going to check out a Caliber 40 LRC. I mentioned that in your last video! I cant wait to see your walk through. We have a 12 y/o boy and we currently have a Catalina 36, I'm already looking to upgrade because, while its an awesome boat for what we've been doing, with our plan to head south to Mexico I'd like the option to hang a right when I reach Panama....Good luck on your search!
An excellent Ep ! I agree that you are putting forth only the general concept and status of the boats you are seeing & discerning....Looking forward to the next Ep from N Carolina !
Wow. That boat looked like new and you said it still had problems. You just never know. Great series. I'm really enjoying all your great advice since I'm a few years away from boat buying myself. Cheers from Pa.
Thanks for showing that Tayana. We were considering heading to the east coast to look at it. We did put an offer on a boat yesterday, just waiting back from the broker to see if it was accepted. Videos of our boat search will be up soon.
Rethink two kids in a small small space like being in the back seat of a car on a long trip. A family will spend a lot of time in the water, and piling into a dinghy - consider the benefits of a sugar scoop stern.
I was all happy for you guys, thinking, "You found it, it is perfect." Then listened to your broker and was oh crap, on to the next one. Since your tour really didn't show any of the work needed on the boat.
I was never a fan of canoe stearns either but it is said they sail great. Looks like a good fit for what you all are planning to do. You mention the boat needs a lot of work, but from what I see here this boat is well equipped, looks immaculate and well maintained.
Idk where y'all are in real time or if you've already purchased your vessel, but I'd like to suggest a Sceptre 41. They're very solidly built and often overlooked because most people think there a coastal cruise due to the small tankage. Honestly I spent 3 years trying to decide which boat I'd want for myself. The only reason Sceptre got bumped to second place behind the 42 is because typically they're for sale in the Pacific Northwest and it'd be to expensive to get it to the Texas gulf coast. The 42 I'm looking at is in Florida so logistically its the best option for me. Lol
First time on your channel: I really like the Musik, comments, camera work, cut, INFORMATION, and you guys are a really attractive couple. SUBSCRIBED and looking forward to see more :-)
John is one of my sailing heroes. It’s great hearing his input. Every time I hear Atticus II I think the name of the new boat should be “Atticus as Well”. Great videos, though.
The Tayana is a nice boat and I had looked at them years ago but went with a Pearson 422. Sold it and decided to move up since I wanted a larger world cruiser. Wish you the best of luck finding your new home.
Y'all are being very wise. Thinking the process thru. Big discussion and your life and your little one life will greatly depend on the right discussion. I was told one time when on a job as a fire chief walk don't run. You want have to regret your discussion. Continue on good job
I love the Tayana Vancouver 42. If the cruising life ever becomes reality for me, the Vancouver 42 is on my extremely short list of boats, but I very much want the center-cockpit version. You give up some space in the salon, but you get a much better aft cabin and much better engine compartment. I've looked online and there are center-cockpit versions on the market in Florida. You should look at one of them.
Centre cockpit boats give a really good master cabin at the stern. I am worried that with that solid Bimini the helmsperson can’t see the sails - how to sail effectively? With the older boats a KEP thing to check is the conduit of the sealant/glue securing the numerous deck fittings, going through the deck. I have a 1993 Westerly Oceanranger 38’ and every single bolt sealant was powder, so we are working through a few hundred new bolts, hole ring protection , new sealant etc.. we found leaks and mold everywhere - especially behind the headliner and ceiling. We also found five leaks in the water tanks which I epoxyed. This boat doesn’t look wet but it is worth searching. Your broker might just be trying to get you to spend more money on a new boat.
Great walk through video. It's easy to see why Tayana's are so popular. Can't wait to see the next boat. Have fun in New Bern and make sure you check out Beaufort, NC too. It's just down the road and is one of the oldest towns and ports in the Mid-Atlantic. The beautiful small downtown right on the water is a fun day trip from where you'll be.
I couldn’t be more happy that you guys passed on this boat because we bought her! Then immediately sailed her down the east coast of Florida and ran a rhumbline from Key West to Kemah TX. So excited for both of our new boats and adventures! ⛵️
You made a great decision, whereas they didn't.
The "Silence of the Lambs" clips were hilarious.
The expert advice was particularly educational this time.
We're really looking forward to the rest of the gems in this series.
I'm less than a minute in and I hust have to say how impressed I am with how you've arranged these videos, Pro tips, etc..
I understand your reluctance to walk away from atticus, but this new chapter in life and deciding to raise a family will be a moment to cherish forever.
I can't thank you enough Jordan and Desiree for sharing your journey with the world.
My dad had a Tayana, and I grew up on it. They are beautiful boats that will serve you well if you maintain them...fond memories.
I like this one much better than the last one..
One thing I would specifically consider on "Design" is dinghy services - storage of, embark-disembark, load-unload. Important on anchor.
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Kobor - you are SO right! A good dinghy is indispensable for cruising - most new cruisers don't realize how reliant they are on the dinghy. I love a boat with a flat foredeck for securing the dinghy but it's hard to get that until one gets a boat over 42-44 feet.
G'day Jordan & Desiree, a major concern I have in regards to the Tay 42' are the black iron petrol tanks. They do tend to leak on the bottom corner welds. The Tay 42's were built in Taiwan at the Ta Yang yard where they unfortunately, opted for black iron for the petrol tanks, which is obviously a huge "No No!" You can always bladder the tanks. However, still really not an acceptable solution. I would definitely replace them.Huge cost though! The big problem is the petrol tanks were installed before the interior was built, so removing the tanks becomes a large pain in the arse. You essentially have to demo part of the boat in order to replace the tanks. Secondly, the windless is in a well which certainly protects it, but results in a very shallow angle for the chain to wrap on the gypsy. The canoe aft offers little to no room mate. The interior was definitely in nice condition. Robert Harris was really a competent designer when it came to seaworthy cutters. Nice boat mate. However. I I just can't see the rationale of the price,, when you know the boat needs work mate!
Love the "Silence.." clips, your modest "armature" status claim, AND the Comments from the pro. Really a very big addition to the series! I would use this guy in a heart beat. Best used boat review I've seen for the last 10 years.
Hi Guys, Yes it is a beautiful boat. However, for kids consider that you need clear decks, a centre cockpit is safer. I am saying it again, check out an Amel Santorin. It is in your price range. It is a smaller version of “Delos”. Consider dinghy storage, getting on and off while at anchor, access when stern moored, ease of deploying a boarding ladder, reasonable access to everywhere while underway, ketch rig equals smaller sails with matters if you have to take them off the boat for repair where you have to carry them any distance. A larger boat always looks attractive when comparing to a small one, but take your time. Looking forward to the next one you review. Stay safe. Cheers, Niall
Im sure you guy's will choose wisely, you have won my respect with your simple ways of thinking and mostly how you've started from scratch!!
With love from Greece!!
Just listening to you and the excitement in your voice, appears you may have found your boat. I’m a powerboater, many extended trips to Abacos, but helped a friend sail his Tayana 42 from Amelia Island (Florida) to Marsh Harbor, Bahamas, five adult males on board. I think it was the same layout as you are considering. During the six day trip we were comfortable and never felt crowded. Boat seemed a little slow to me, but we were not in a hurry. Not sure it means anything, but another sailor friend visited the Tayana factory years ago and was impressed with the care and precision of construction. Remember, you are exposing this nice boat to many others who may be shopping. Aside from that, my gosh she’s a beautiful woman.
Nice to see you review the Tayana 42. Brought back a lot of great memories for my wife and I. I owned a 1986 aft cockpit 42. Took it up and down the US east coast and over to Bermuda and back several times. It is a very comfortable boat at sea with a smooth motion in a seaway. Not a snappy roll as some lighter displacements boats have. Loved the boat but..... it did not back up under power worth a damn. As long as you never back it up, great. Also had a tendency to lay more beam to the sea when hove to. I tried all kinds of sail plans and couldn’t really get the bow up more. Never much of an issue but in gale conditions would have liked more nose to the wind and seas.
Dinghy access was from the side gates. Takes some getting used to and the canoe stern really makes it hard to manage a dinghy on the davits.
The broker was very spot on about the furniture being built around the systems. Really tough to work in some of the spaces and replace components.
Nice review. Love my catamaran though!
Thank You for taking us on this part of your journey. It is very interesting to see what boxes need to be ticked to make this work for your future sailing adventures.
Thanks for taking us along.
Love to follow your "family planning." Best thing a couple can do while you are young! We've homeschooled four with great fun and success. Look forward to watching your online community and family grow! Keep it up!
We live on Delca in Oriental NC. That is just down the road from New Bern where you will be for your next boat. Delca is a Tayana 42 Center Cockpit, so a little different than the one you saw here. The boat is solid, and handles wonderfully in big water. Ours has been around the world twice, and soon will be again with us. You are correct, she is heavy and a little slugish in light breezes, but under full sail will go. Also, she doesn't point real close into the wind well. But I don't think you can find a better boat for the price. Everyone who sees our Tayana, gives us an added nod of respect. If you get to Oriental, we would love to show you around. Also, the canoe stern cuts a little space as you said, but we have built davits on ours for our dinghy, and you can't beat it with following seas.
It's really helpful to understand your perspective as you review these boats. You have obviously spent a lot of time looking into what works for you and what you need. Given you are looking at the next ten years, that is critical thinking that often doesn't happen.
Guys, this is GREAT content! It's tremendously informative and practical and entertaining. Great job in pivoting into this series!
thanks for the review. this helps out so much when you are looking at different boats and trying to hear a true and honest opinion from experienced sailors and not just salesmen.
I helped deliver that boat from the Bahamas to Jamaica and then on to the caymans. Great sailing boat, the larger 120 headsail is a great addition making 150nm days easy. I am partial as we also own a T42, but when you look at boats that can haul the ridiculous amount of gear a cruising family accumulates safely you will almost always sacrifice light air/ windward performance. That is one of the newer T42 and the condition reflects it. I think it could be a great family cruiser.
Getting closer to finding the perfect boat!! Can't wait for next week's episode!!!
I love that you are sharing your search online. I find it to be very valuable for those who are also considering a change. My personal take is that you might still be looking too small or may consider a CC. I understand that ur starting a family and the 1st (or 2) will still be tiny humans, but in a CC, generally speaking, the aft berth is truly a cabin with a walk around bed and en-suite. A ketch rig complicates that a bit, but it would give you both a true private space while raising an infant. Beneteau made a 42cc and a 44 cc that you might check out. Just a thought. Kudos to you both and good luck!!!!
By the way, watching you guys with David was the cutest thing. That’s truly what it’s all about.
Very thoughtful of you...realizing you have influence, but respecting the owner's of those boats. Who-da thunk you'd have to consider that angle?
3:33 - “It’s like the size of a galley in a small house.” ... aka “a kitchen.” 😂
Man that is a nice boat. As a parent of two. I would be absolutely comfortable with the size for sure. Good luck guys. Keep us in the loop.
the excitement is in the journey, not the destination, enjoy the ride, love you guys. Cannot wait to see your next boat tour.
Raising your children while traveling the world is priceless... I could tell from the video that the Tayana was thought out and maintained well, but replacing tankage (if needed) wouldn't be worth it at that price. A couple things to consider is davits, especially with children you will raising and lowering the dingy often, you both need to be able to do this easily. The solar panels could easily come off during hurricane season. I like the idea of no running backs, and mast steps at least to the lower spreaders. You didn't mention windless or ground tackle, usually a 2 person job. many other thoughts but just trying to plant some seeds. thanks for your humor during the video, you guys are cute together!
HAVING RAISED TWO KIDS OF MY OWN I MUST SAY, THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS REFERENCE FLOORED ME....I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR LAUGHING.
THAT SAID, I LOVE THIS BOAT FOR YOUR FUTURE FAMILY PLANS.
I cannot thank you guys enough for doing these videos We have been on the hunt for a few months now I have a family of 4 In finding a boat that checks even a few of the boxes I am finding very difficult On my own My wife and I love and respect your opinion and outlook on boat life from day one p.s. How awesome to have John on your side
Godspeed
Thanks for taking us shopping, this is helping us quite a bit. Take care buds.
I am learning so much about boats that I never knew before and in a great way for most of us to comprehend. Thank you for another great video and all the work that you both put into every video. It's a lot of work but it's educational.
I have a tayana 37. 43 years old now. Finding a turn key blue water world cruiser will be brutal. 150,000 budget is good if thats what i heard . You will get a lot of boat for that price. Center cockpits are awesome for kids ,keeping them safe.
I was on a Tayana 37 for about 3 months sailing the west coast (BC, Washington, Oregon, California). Overall, it was wonderful. The worst was while "in irons" with 4 to 7 foot choppy seas: very uncomfortable. Eventually we retreated into port at Eureka to wait out nine days of those conditions combined with 15 to 25 swells. The advantage was that afterwards "normal" ocean conditions are a breeze.
Great yacht. Don't knock the canoe stern - it works really well in a following sea and this boat seems to have plenty of storage space whatever so this shouldn't be compromised by the stern.
That really is a staggeringly beautiful boat! I doubt anyone could possibly need anything more than her.
Canoe stern is a nightmare for getting in and out of a tender especially with kids. Go for some thing with a better sugar scoop or swim platform especially as you spend so much time at anchor.
Also much easier to land/clean fish on passages.
Very good point!
Like you, I was blown away by how well maintained it appeared to be. The biggest downer was your brokers opinion about future major repairs to the tankage. That sounds like lots of $! Your approach to your search is really well thought out and presented!
Am really enjoying the 'boat search' videos! Desiree's eyes sure lit up talking about storage and extra room :). Can't wait to see which boat wins in the end!
What an exciting time for you two. Best of luck and take some time every now and then to enjoy the ride that is life.
I get so excited every time I see a new video pop up! Can't wait to see what happens in your future. Kids add a lot of extra work too, so a boat that you don't have to do a lot of work while sailing will be great.
“Sailing Mellenial Falcon” uses a Tayana 42 and are quiet happy with it it seems
Yes I was thinking they had the same boat but having just watched thier refit video in the aft cabin , thier aft cabin goes from one side to the other. I think the difference is the Falcon has a centre cockpit. They have mentioned it's a bit of an issue dealing with the mainsail covers and reefing with the centre cockpit but I think what they gain in aft cabin more than makes up for it after seeing this boat. Maybe you could break through that bulkhead and put all that equipment under a double bunk as it is on the Falcon?
@@michaelbundy3867 no need to tear into things. You can literally fit 2 Atticus inside this boat. There is a lot of storage under the sole.
A good solid boat. Lots of room for a growing family.
@@michaelbundy3867 "Mellie" is the center cockpit layout with an aft master head.
Sshhh!
I’ve sailed the Tyanna before and it is a beast of a boat. Very heavy. It’s a small tank and can take a lot of punishment. It can take way more punishment than you can, which can make for some hair raising journeys.
I love the boat however, the caveat is in the age and all the wood. That guy was not kidding about the tanks. My friend recently had a new fuel tanks custom-made out of stainless by a small welding shop in England. And the tank is NOT easy to get at to replace.
Just about every time we set sail something went wrong; a bilge pump, a fuel pump, electrical panel, etc... again the boat can take a lot of punishment, however the result of it is often things get knocked out. Also, some thing about the door to the lower deck always swinging and breaking, in particular the hinges.
So, you have to be very calm, crafty, and think on your feet and maintain your cool.
ProTip: if you want some cleaning maintenance like refinishing, a good scrub down, and some engine maintenance. Bring it to Cuba. Best professional work for the most reasonable cost anywhere. But you have to bring the stain and materials, because they don’t have access to much.
I mentioned before about the CSY 44
They built a aft cabin walkthrough which was cutter rigged. This boat had some unique features. 1. Large forward head with separate shower. 2. Large cold plate fridge And Freezer. Very comfortable nav station. And the my favorite, a walk in engine room. Amazing. It even has a work bench in there. And if you open one of the cockpit hatches you get great light and ventilation while working on the engine. They are older boats but there are some out there in fantastic condition. I have sailed a cutter rigged and have seen 11 1/2 knots. In blue water, the boat feels so solid and secure.
There is no perfect boat. There is going to be projects. The objective is to find one with the least amount.
I like what you guys are doing with this process. It is very informative.
What a spectacular boat! What fun to watch how excited you both were in the luxury you deserve.
Im loving the boat reviews, this is one very stunning boat. I understand your position about project to sail ratio. Another range of boats you should be looking at is amel.
YUP! I cant wait to see what you guys buy! Great Great Journey's ahead! Good Luck & and hope to see you out there!
Beautiful boat. I live on a Morgan OI41 with my daughter and that has a LOT of room and I'm impressed with what I saw in this video, especially the engine access.
This is so exciting! We're watching this stage of your journey carefully; I hope we'll be doing the same in a few years!
Love it we're just starting out with our New (to Us) Beneteau Oceanis 35.1.... can't wait for the next episode. Really enjoy you guys.
Again, so much fun to watch your decision process. I am excited to keep up with your decision. Good luck next week. Have fun be safe!
I absolutely can not wait for your adventures on your new boat, I’m looking forward to see what you choose. Stay safe and take care xx
I think it’ll be interesting for you guys to look back at these videos after you have kids and see if these current expectations fit your new reality. I’m a long-time follower of your channel. I’m grateful you’re willing to share your talents with the world. Keep it up!
That's the nicest Tayana 42 I've seen in the market for quite some time. That said, Bernie nailed it! If those tanks have not been replaced then you're in for a world of pain because they will need to be replaced soon and you may have to destroy the interior to access them. I'm going to say it again....Cabo Rico - fiberglass tanks...access to all systems...imminently refit-able... and much less expensive to start with. Just today, I sold a nice Cabo Rico 34 in Cape Canaveral for $75K....
Single line reefing is easy enough to undo. It is supposed to make it so you don't need to go on deck to reef but it ends up making you go on deck to reef as it binds, tangles, catches...at mast reefing is fast and safe (esp on big stable boats). I converted my boat from single line to at mast. Much more reliable. And gets rid of 5 miles of line messing up the cockpit and cabin top.
Agreed.
All my lines, except reefing, lead aft. I'm in the SF Bay and usually start out w/a reef, anyway (lot easier to shake out one you don't need, than to put in one you do).
I had a daughter who regularly showed up in our bed until she was 5, the other kids night visits petered out before that age. Something to think about when you're looking at your berth.
I'm enjoying the boat search!
Listen to the expert.
My personal experience:
"The older it is (whatever "it" is) and the more it has been used (think rode hard and put up wet) you are just taking on someone else's problems (not to mention its' problems) and just attached a Black Hole to your finances and resources." And yes, that has more than one situation to which this saying is applicable.
Not necessarily.
"Newer" could also mean that they saved more and more expensive resources.
Tell that to folks that went out and purchased a brand new Chevy Vega. New boats break and have all kinds of issues. Buying new does not guarantee anything. Used however can be a demonstration of quality workmanship and longevity. It all depends on the boat and manufacturer and the year.
I think people’s experiences makes them experts on their experiences, not necessarily on all boats and boating in general. Often they extrapolate far too much. Others’ experiences are good and helpful for consideration, but often not expert advice.
@@CPTCleoTorris You can have a used, top-of-the line used whatever. Age, usage and/or abuse, exposure to the elements, etc., etc., WILL have a detrimental effect. And as time passes, these issues only become more pronounced (and multiply) and expensive. Facts.
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 Have you ever bought a used sailboat? If so, what was it?
Also from Palm Beach... after all the small boat problems I’ve heard from you two, I’m convinced to go with a larger boat 😆
Great content as always! Can't wait for the next boat review!
These videos are great guys! You're really doing a great job! Homerun for sure and we appreciate them bigtime as we are currently learning what we can to prepare for buying some day, thank you very much. :)
Really happy for you two. You guys are awesome!!
Nice looking boat on the "outside".....glad you were able to take the time to do a thorough review and not fall into the trap of beautiful aesthetics. Good luck on the next one.
So glad you achieved your target. I pledged because you are doing something I would loved to have done when I was younger. At 71 I am too old but get a lot of satisfaction and fun watching you pursuing your dream and am so glad to be able to offer even a small amount of help. Best wishes from us in the UK and looking forward to viewing your next chapter.
Thank you so much for helping to make Atticus II possible!! ⛵😁
Really great review guys! Super pro and you both are so natural and informative. Looking forward to your next review.
I know a couple who sailed around the world on a Catalina 42 MK2 and they loved it. Reasonably priced, can be relatively new, lot's of space, big cockpit with swim step/sugar scoop and decent performance, for a mono.
Not cutter rigged though.
By the time your "little ones" start school you'll probably be on to your third boat. It'll be at least six years before the first one starts. Can you add a wind vane?
This series of videos while you find your next Atticus are great. Instructional as well educational. Thanks for sharing. As.a father of 4, I laugh to myself as you describe raising two kids on a sailboat. Plenty of room, you say? Press on and don't listen to anyone who presumes to tell you what to expect introducing kids into your lives while living on a sailboat. It'll all work out. Smooth sailing.
As a life long sailor, racing and cruising for over 50 years, I recommend you look at Halberg Rassy 43, German Frers design. Also, look at Swans and Baltics. You will find these boats sail like a dream and have better systems and are stronger than almost anything else on the water. Also, your sea time will be shorter because of their speed. I am not a fan of full keels because they are slower, do not go to weather as well and are much more difficult to handle in harbor. A fin keel with spade rudder will motor in reverse as easily and predictably as it goes in forward. Also, with children you will want a sugar scoop transom with steps.
I have noticed everyone that has a hard top over the cockpit loves it!
LOL. Very diplomatic. But you are doing the right thing for the boat owners. I love the interiors of the larger boats. Anything over 40' will be nice.
Tayanas are great boats. The weight and mega keel makes them awesome for anything but pulling into a marina. Lots of room, super sailability, stable even in storms.
Thank you for the video. It is a beautiful boat. Of course you know much more than I about what would need to be done. It seems like no matter what used boat one gets there will be repairs and changes that have to be accomplished. It's good that you've lived on a boat and have the ability to see various aspects of what needs to be done. Stay well and safe. ⛵
Thank you SO much for showing all of this. In a similair situation here, and this sure helps us.
Ha ha! Rad, I'm psyched you're going to check out a Caliber 40 LRC. I mentioned that in your last video! I cant wait to see your walk through. We have a 12 y/o boy and we currently have a Catalina 36, I'm already looking to upgrade because, while its an awesome boat for what we've been doing, with our plan to head south to Mexico I'd like the option to hang a right when I reach Panama....Good luck on your search!
excellent review thank you. I believe getting to the equipment AC Water processor etc could be a real problem if time is of the essence
Your broker had some good advice there.
An excellent Ep ! I agree that you are putting forth only the general concept and status of the boats you are seeing & discerning....Looking forward to the next Ep from N Carolina !
Wow. That boat looked like new and you said it still had problems. You just never know. Great series. I'm really enjoying all your great advice since I'm a few years away from boat buying myself. Cheers from Pa.
Thanks for showing that Tayana. We were considering heading to the east coast to look at it. We did put an offer on a boat yesterday, just waiting back from the broker to see if it was accepted. Videos of our boat search will be up soon.
Rethink two kids in a small small space like being in the back seat of a car on a long trip. A family will spend a lot of time in the water, and piling into a dinghy - consider the benefits of a sugar scoop stern.
I was all happy for you guys, thinking, "You found it, it is perfect." Then listened to your broker and was oh crap, on to the next one. Since your tour really didn't show any of the work needed on the boat.
Loved the video. Lee up the search. Looking forward to the next one
Very sharp sailboat with tons of space. I like this one alot. Can't wait to see what you choose.
I was never a fan of canoe stearns either but it is said they sail great. Looks like a good fit for what you all are planning to do. You mention the boat needs a lot of work, but from what I see here this boat is well equipped, looks immaculate and well maintained.
Idk where y'all are in real time or if you've already purchased your vessel, but I'd like to suggest a Sceptre 41. They're very solidly built and often overlooked because most people think there a coastal cruise due to the small tankage. Honestly I spent 3 years trying to decide which boat I'd want for myself. The only reason Sceptre got bumped to second place behind the 42 is because typically they're for sale in the Pacific Northwest and it'd be to expensive to get it to the Texas gulf coast. The 42 I'm looking at is in Florida so logistically its the best option for me. Lol
This boat is awesome and looks really spacious and big enough for a family of four. Wish you luck on your boat hunting.
First time on your channel: I really like the Musik, comments, camera work, cut, INFORMATION, and you guys are a really attractive couple. SUBSCRIBED and looking forward to see more :-)
John is one of my sailing heroes. It’s great hearing his input. Every time I hear Atticus II I think the name of the new boat should be “Atticus as Well”. Great videos, though.
Loved your boat review. Great layout with the video. Keep it up.
The Tayana is a nice boat and I had looked at them years ago but went with a Pearson 422. Sold it and decided to move up since I wanted a larger world cruiser. Wish you the best of luck finding your new home.
Y'all are being very wise. Thinking the process thru. Big discussion and your life and your little one life will greatly depend on the right discussion. I was told one time when on a job as a fire chief walk don't run. You want have to regret your discussion. Continue on good job
Looking forward to next week. Again, learning a little more with time vested in your journey.
I love the Tayana Vancouver 42. If the cruising life ever becomes reality for me, the Vancouver 42 is on my extremely short list of boats, but I very much want the center-cockpit version. You give up some space in the salon, but you get a much better aft cabin and much better engine compartment. I've looked online and there are center-cockpit versions on the market in Florida. You should look at one of them.
Much better size! Loved it & looking forward to the next
Holy shit that galley is bigger and more functional than my bloody kitchen and it’s got a boat attached!
The rectifier on the alternator should be moved out of the engine compartment to get its maximum output. Heat reduces output.
Centre cockpit boats give a really good master cabin at the stern. I am worried that with that solid Bimini the helmsperson can’t see the sails - how to sail effectively?
With the older boats a KEP thing to check is the conduit of the sealant/glue securing the numerous deck fittings, going through the deck. I have a 1993 Westerly Oceanranger 38’ and every single bolt sealant was powder, so we are working through a few hundred new bolts, hole ring protection , new sealant etc.. we found leaks and mold everywhere - especially behind the headliner and ceiling. We also found five leaks in the water tanks which I epoxyed.
This boat doesn’t look wet but it is worth searching.
Your broker might just be trying to get you to spend more money on a new boat.
Love it...so exciting for you guys!!
Great walk through video. It's easy to see why Tayana's are so popular. Can't wait to see the next boat.
Have fun in New Bern and make sure you check out Beaufort, NC too. It's just down the road and is one of the oldest towns and ports in the Mid-Atlantic. The beautiful small downtown right on the water is a fun day trip from where you'll be.
Great video guys the Tayana looks like a contender for you, keep up the great work!