Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that, he just went into Harry's, and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS. And a Motec exhaust.
15 gallons should last about a little over 1/4 mile in a V8 I would imagine this four cylinder would kid burn 7 1/2 gallons a pass if it were mine but I would be running a carbureted engine with a high flow fuel pump, instead that EFI crap you guys run now a days with a carb it could make a lot more than 1000HP IMO if you wanna build a race 4 banger there’s three choices of blocks a Mitsubishi, Toyota and Nissan I like Mitsubishi the best I had a 2.4L Mitsubishi bored 60 over sleeved at 11-1 compression had 320 psi of compression per cylinder ran a high performance 2 barrel Weber carb that thing was bad ass 0-60 in about 2.5s 0-100 in about 4s it would burn the tires off if I let it and it was N/A never got to take it down the track though sadly no way I coulda ran boost on it woulda blown the head gasket every run probably it got the gas mileage of a large V6 after I built it, boy was it a fun lil truck, I wanna go wild and build another one except with boost this time I’m gonna put a 14-71 supercharger for a top fuel bike on it and probably run it on methanol it’s should do 200+ easy in the 1/4 maybe I can brake the 4 banger world record for fastest 1/4 and MPH cause I’m going with a 4-5 speed lenco tranny
Would be nice to show a dyno plot at the end (although you can see the numbers on the monitor towards the end of the video). Crazy results as always from 4P. Doesn't get any bigger/better than that.
My money is on k20 i think the rod ratio on k24 not going to last as k20 I think best combination is the destroked k24 with longer rod would be more reliable and also still great power
The turbo is doing a lot of the work....making power is one thing. Making it last is another. We use this engine in 12 hour LMP2 cars at about 650hp. This particular one is in a Time Attack Lotus at 950hp right now.
Ive done a k20 build but i think im gonna buy this engine from them and build it to the max. Looking for about 700-800whp on moderate boost but you know we can dial the boost up on raceday🤘
Im a bmw guy But a honda guy at heart. I have my k swap ek sitting havent touched it for 2 years but itll get its time and when it does boy let me tell you haha
I love cars, but I've never taken on a project car. I've got a tuned Audi S5, and I love it... But I'm thinking of getting a 4piston engine with a few drag cartel parts, mating it to a ZF 8HP, and swapping it into an MX-5 ND. There are a few other upgrades I want to add to the Miata as well; upgraded infotainment, custom carbon fiber interior parts, chassis stiffening components, wider track suspension parts and upgraded coilovers, pilot sport cup 2 tires on Rays TE27s, larger breaks, and OEM-look molded fender flares - all being the main components on my mind. Now, I know that the 8HP is an automatic, but I'm chasing a car that I can effortlessly throw around twisties and tracks, but which will also be efficiently comfortable on the highway. While you may have your opinions on styling and particular parts with similar capabilities, what do you think of my potential build list? Do you think it could be a recipe for success?
Just a story for entertainment made from the comfort if IT seat = { "At 4 Piston Racing we got it building for over a decade and we gonna show you a 1000hp Honda k24 engine". "At another geolocation there was a guy gaining knowledge and experience tuning EJ engines that many people hate. Later he called him self BBR tuning. He started showing to people that correctly tuned and properly maintained stock EJ can reliably be making 500 whp for long time and 600-700 whp less reliably but still for significant time and with torque figures up to 200 less than hp. In the end of 2023 he showcased on his DynoJet an unopened 100% stock from the factory Subaru EJ25 with stock STI drivetrain hitting 700 wheel torque and just over 1000 wheel horse power. Taking this engine off the car and showing us it is stock . No damages ! Engine intact, awaiting what is next. Immediately after he, BBR person, puts in his own built EJ 25 stage X and hits over 1000 wheel torques and 1400 wheel horsepurse while xeddy triple disc clutch is giving up. He, BBR person, can not wait for the track season to open and prove to himself and the others in car community what a stock and built EJ engines can do." }
They build awesome motors but if you want a whole built long block from them top to bottom it doesn't come cheap but you get what you pay for that's for sure. If you're on a budget do the bottom end yourself and spring for the 4Piston head at least, they do it best. Just make sure you pick the right one for what you need they have so many different options from street to drag or both and even water-cooled or closed deck for the insane hardcore for that matter.
My 90's model Civic only ran on 3 cylinders, because I was poor. I used JB Weld to hold one of the plus in, again, because I was poverty stricken. I wish these guys would give me a motor. I could be an ambassador for them, and then win races, and score lots of women, and be famous, and party like Josh Duhamel. #FreeRawanda
NA power just upgrading internals can get pretty high depending on the setup. I forget what channel(it may be this one) that made 500-600hp on a k24a2 that was NA
yah, but will it pass emissions smog test ??? sir please pull to the right side of inspection and open the hood. inspector comes back with 6 page report, last sentence talks about removal of entire engine.
I would like the part number for those pistons if you don't mind. I am porting my own k24a2 head,running factory cams,using same boostline rods, same intak3 manifold. I haven't decided on an exhaust manifold yet. Regardless it will be t4 twin scroll with dual 38 or 44 wg's because my turbo is the gt3582r. I am not conviced I need sleeves. I have seen factory short blocks making over 700whp. This engine will go into a 2004 rx8. Since I am running the rx8 transmission and diff I don't see where making over 550/600 whp will be worth it. Those factory parts will probably not survive. Anyway...the part number for the pistons would be great. They sound exactly like what I am looking for. Oh...and those boostline rods ...they are awesome. Please suggest what sleeves you would get if you were in my area. I am near Charlotte NC Thanks for your time.
Wonder how much power they could make by using my prototype? The prototype makes it possible to run full timing advance on my Mazda Protege with no noticeable knock or pinging. I made A video showing where the timing was and where it is at now, with A few full throttle pulls at the start. More tests are on the way.
I didnt think they would see it dick cheese its inbred people like you that just sit at home picking at what people say like your fucking special ! What a absolute turd oh well I guess if that's how ya get ya jollys lmao
No mention of which fuel they used? No mention of compression ratio? Also, why isn't the VTC solenoid hooked up to anything on the engine dyno? They retained VTC, but didn't use it???
Hi. I newly interest with automotive I am amaze with your buildm congrats 👍 By the way. I still don't really get a point. Why some engine could go up to 500++ hp some other just below it. Even with higher CC
I got a 2006 Honda Civic si coupe with a k24-a2 bottom and k20 on top very very fast.But l would like a build up of 650 plus horses to the wheels but docile on streets.
Interesting to me that they recommend sticking with the TSX head. For many years the recommendation was to go RSX head on the TSX block for high rpm, high boost, or big power builds. When did that change?
@@infamousgarage4900 You say that, but if you look at 4Pistons webpage, their ported RSX head flows more CFM than their ported TSX head. So even with their best engineered port job, the RSX head still seems to be better. This is my confusion why they're sticking with the TSX head here
damn makes me wanna sale my g35 coupe and get a rsx and build a k24 for it. shit i want this motor. but still gotta beef tranny up and axles so prob a 15 grand build for nothing to break and actually hold up. nice vid tho
@@thomasberry8012 hows that??? i wouldn't call this company and say hey let me get the k24 blah blah ummm no id order parts here and there from different vendors.....no way in hell id buy a motor all the way put together gotta put my own sauce on it and you always pay too much when its fully assembled delivered to your door, labor cost are there they in the small fine print...its a bad motor no doubt but i really dont ever see me getting a 4 banger honestly prob just boost my shit i got.
@@bobbyholmes4586 Dude you literally said "THIS motor". There is no other way to comprehend that. Who cares go build one man! This is not worth arguing over.
If I get this job I need to make 5,500$ and if I do I’m going to put a k24 with forged pistons and turbo on my daily Honda. By daily I mean my only car
@@playandgrowtv9846 I have a Ford Explorer but I want to keep it as a four-wheeler vehicle and a family vehicle but I wanted it to have some balls. And it's about ready for it. So tell me what would be the best engine transmission and drivetrain to put in? I wanted to find a way you put an IROC Z28 engine in it but I'm thinking I'll find a way 2 twin turbo it or supercharged it
![Non Turbo! 500HP At 11,000 RPM | Big Power, Small Package [TECH TALK]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/IAfz-Dr_7uE/mqdefault.jpg)
I can imagine Toretto saying “Not a bad way to spend $10,000”
If its only $10,000 thats cheap as dirt for 1000hp
Yeah. Much more than 10k.
@@jacobhoke581 10k for the engine + another 6-8 for the turbo system/intake manifold etc
Add the transmission and differential.
And fuelling, ECU ect ect. It's a $40k setup at least.
Over 250hp per hole? Pretty damn impressive. Especially since you can calm it down for a daily driver if you really wanted to. Awesome build 👍
@Adam Fears Thats just an awesome build.
And rock solid internals.
1 piston 250 hp. Amazing
Songkleh Kids 600cc, r6 turbo? More...
Woww
@@MsJoaquin01 he's talking about power per cylinder
One piston makes more hp than my BRZ lol
250 hp per piston at 33 psi = high compression pistons with super fuel ...
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that
Hector is going to be running 3 Honda Civics with spoon engines. And on top of that, he just went into Harry's, and he ordered 3 T66 turbos, with NOS. And a Motec exhaust.
Cringe
Is it bad if so why?
Fast Furious
lmaoo , read it in brians voice too 😂
Hahaha 🤣 I’m dying
If I ever get rich, I’ll keep y’all in mind
15 gallon fuel tank should last about 7 miles. Not bad
That's enough for few races.
The best part is if you got a good tuner, and you want to drive it on the road,you could probably get well over 20mpg
@@zombie22_ . Because of the magical vtec. You could also have different tunes for different situations, one for daily one for racing
When people with no clue comment lol
15 gallons should last about a little over 1/4 mile in a V8 I would imagine this four cylinder would kid burn 7 1/2 gallons a pass if it were mine but I would be running a carbureted engine with a high flow fuel pump, instead that EFI crap you guys run now a days with a carb it could make a lot more than 1000HP IMO if you wanna build a race 4 banger there’s three choices of blocks a Mitsubishi, Toyota and Nissan I like Mitsubishi the best I had a 2.4L Mitsubishi bored 60 over sleeved at 11-1 compression had 320 psi of compression per cylinder ran a high performance 2 barrel Weber carb that thing was bad ass 0-60 in about 2.5s 0-100 in about 4s it would burn the tires off if I let it and it was N/A never got to take it down the track though sadly no way I coulda ran boost on it woulda blown the head gasket every run probably it got the gas mileage of a large V6 after I built it, boy was it a fun lil truck, I wanna go wild and build another one except with boost this time I’m gonna put a 14-71 supercharger for a top fuel bike on it and probably run it on methanol it’s should do 200+ easy in the 1/4 maybe I can brake the 4 banger world record for fastest 1/4 and MPH cause I’m going with a 4-5 speed lenco tranny
Boosted Boiz, where ya at?
@@Theguitarskater1 still making more power than anything you are driving =)
Theguitarskater1 You must be watching the wrong boosted boiz fool
Mad respect for the amount of knowledge and experience
and passion this dude has for these motors and his customers
Damn I wish I could have these guys build me and engine, my Honda got jacked up while I was deployed😭
I just got back from my tour in Somalia I boosted as soon as I got home 😁 09si. If you want you can follow me dee_fg2
@@THEMAN03100 whar were you doing out there?
@@fredc8618 providing security for marsoc and small airfield
Would be nice to show a dyno plot at the end (although you can see the numbers on the monitor towards the end of the video).
Crazy results as always from 4P. Doesn't get any bigger/better than that.
ok I had to stop the video for a minute..... 1,000hp and it still has i-VTEC?
MO POWAH BABE
@@mcfriendzzone5651 A MORE PAWAH BABYY!
😂
It goes from a 12v to a 16v instantly.
@@pudu4803 LIGHTNING LIGHTNING LIGHTNING BUFFHORSES OMAGAHHH
I know this is a old vid, but I'll take one for my 06 TSX. Be calling you guys shortly and hello from Kanada
This is damn impressive. The k24 is Hondas best motor
It's really Out of Mind 😉
@@alomechanthasinh4079 facts
My money is on k20 i think the rod ratio on k24 not going to last as k20 I think best combination is the destroked k24 with longer rod would be more reliable and also still great power
I wonder how many of those parts are really necessary for 1000hp. Awesome build all the same.
The turbo is doing a lot of the work....making power is one thing. Making it last is another. We use this engine in 12 hour LMP2 cars at about 650hp. This particular one is in a Time Attack Lotus at 950hp right now.
Ive done a k20 build but i think im gonna buy this engine from them and build it to the max. Looking for about 700-800whp on moderate boost but you know we can dial the boost up on raceday🤘
The 2 dislikes are Nissan sr20 owners 😂🤣😂🤣, that's a beautiful engine , I kno where 2020 income tax check is going ...🤗🤗
BighomieJ5x - pure jealousy of them knowing that a Honda will kick their sorry behinds very very badly.
Lol ? Sr20 have better engine
@@daynight1921 to each it's own ....
I want to boost my sr
Day Night Honda guys in denial like Ford guys, always talkin they shit up like nothing out ther better🙄
One can only dream of one day having a fully built 4piston engine
The same here I love those engine
Just wondering how much is that engine with a big turbo on it what's the price on it?
Im a bmw guy
But a honda guy at heart. I have my k swap ek sitting havent touched it for 2 years but itll get its time and when it does boy let me tell you haha
Ill give you 4k for everything but the mounts if they're not ekk2 hasports w an eg subframe, axles, or ecu. Paypal?
This engines life is measured in seconds.
It will last multiple seasons of racing.
I love cars, but I've never taken on a project car. I've got a tuned Audi S5, and I love it... But I'm thinking of getting a 4piston engine with a few drag cartel parts, mating it to a ZF 8HP, and swapping it into an MX-5 ND. There are a few other upgrades I want to add to the Miata as well; upgraded infotainment, custom carbon fiber interior parts, chassis stiffening components, wider track suspension parts and upgraded coilovers, pilot sport cup 2 tires on Rays TE27s, larger breaks, and OEM-look molded fender flares - all being the main components on my mind. Now, I know that the 8HP is an automatic, but I'm chasing a car that I can effortlessly throw around twisties and tracks, but which will also be efficiently comfortable on the highway. While you may have your opinions on styling and particular parts with similar capabilities, what do you think of my potential build list? Do you think it could be a recipe for success?
Just a story for entertainment made from the comfort if IT seat = {
"At 4 Piston Racing we got it building for over a decade and we gonna show you a 1000hp Honda k24 engine". "At another geolocation there was a guy gaining knowledge and experience tuning EJ engines that many people hate. Later he called him self BBR tuning. He started showing to people that correctly tuned and properly maintained stock EJ can reliably be making 500 whp for long time and 600-700 whp less reliably but still for significant time and with torque figures up to 200 less than hp. In the end of 2023 he showcased on his DynoJet an unopened 100% stock from the factory Subaru EJ25 with stock STI drivetrain hitting 700 wheel torque and just over 1000 wheel horse power. Taking this engine off the car and showing us it is stock . No damages ! Engine intact, awaiting what is next. Immediately after he, BBR person, puts in his own built EJ 25 stage X and hits over 1000 wheel torques and 1400 wheel horsepurse while xeddy triple disc clutch is giving up. He, BBR person, can not wait for the track season to open and prove to himself and the others in car community what a stock and built EJ engines can do."
}
Put 4 of these in a car, each wheel gets its own one. Lock and load baby!
4000hp beast
H1 Hummer
Dayum!! My friend would love to have this swap in his EG6. Gone.
They build awesome motors but if you want a whole built long block from them top to bottom it doesn't come cheap but you get what you pay for that's for sure. If you're on a budget do the bottom end yourself and spring for the 4Piston head at least, they do it best. Just make sure you pick the right one for what you need they have so many different options from street to drag or both and even water-cooled or closed deck for the insane hardcore for that matter.
Honda K series its amazing
I drive an Ep3 n/a with K20A2 and it is awesome.
such a high quality video for such a small channel
Oh yes, the perfect daily engine
Makes me excited for my 2.7l Toyota block to get here 💪
Very interesting video, such precision in the make up, congrats !!!
Omg that’s some clean shit , block and head looking like it came straight outta the factory brand new.. and omg 😮 that revving sounds amazing
I'm really upset at the fact that I sold my 06 rsx type-s two years before this engine became such a popular way to make power.
The next big thing is going to be the K20C4 engine found in the 10th Gen Honda Accord 2.0T.
Boostedboiz fans where you at?
Now I know how to pronounce the retainer and valve spring. brand name
If I hit my parlay tonight I know where I’m going with my money
What a work of art. Now to win lotto
That seems like bomb just waiting to go off
Worth every penny.
My 90's model Civic only ran on 3 cylinders, because I was poor. I used JB Weld to hold one of the plus in, again, because I was poverty stricken. I wish these guys would give me a motor. I could be an ambassador for them, and then win races, and score lots of women, and be famous, and party like Josh Duhamel.
#FreeRawanda
All that and will still get dragged at racewars by Hector's civic with a spoon engine, nos, t66 turbo, and motec system exhaust.
Great vid. Thanks
3:05 Vtec kick in
Now attaching this to a crv awd transmission and shoving into a 90s civic would be ultimate
I need one of these motors for my go cart
Awesome Build!
I’m getting this for the Civic!
I wonder how many miles this would last before a catastrophic failure. If driven responsible
You guys just pushed the bar up - way up!!!
This is old news 😂 a f22 single cam is pushing more then this with a stock block not bored just pistons and h beams stock head 😂
@@MannyDelReal insane man
@@MannyDelReal I love how people hated on Honda 4 years ago... Rice this rice that... Little did they know.
NA power just upgrading internals can get pretty high depending on the setup. I forget what channel(it may be this one) that made 500-600hp on a k24a2 that was NA
Really nice built love it!, There’s no way Wiseco rods be my first choice for 1000hp
What rods would you run with?
What should we use for transmission in an 1000hp engine like this. Just reenforce a manual oem transmission works?
@Sergio Aguirre thanks
wow.. i need this motor in my itr !!!
What would this engine make roughly on 91/94 octane? I could see maybe 700, but 33psi for 1000 sounds like e85
I’m wondering the same
116 race fuel time
Great! I'll get one for my daily class commute please.
Nice job
yah, but will it pass emissions smog test ??? sir please pull to the right side of inspection and open the hood. inspector comes back with 6 page report, last sentence talks about removal of entire engine.
jon gone gone just lmao
How many" shut up and take my money" I can only imagine, and yes AWD crv driveline ummmmm dreams
I would like the part number for those pistons if you don't mind.
I am porting my own k24a2 head,running factory cams,using same boostline rods, same intak3 manifold. I haven't decided on an exhaust manifold yet.
Regardless it will be t4 twin scroll with dual 38 or 44 wg's because my turbo is the gt3582r.
I am not conviced I need sleeves. I have seen factory short blocks making over 700whp.
This engine will go into a 2004 rx8.
Since I am running the rx8 transmission and diff I don't see where making over 550/600 whp will be worth it. Those factory parts will probably not survive.
Anyway...the part number for the pistons would be great. They sound exactly like what I am looking for.
Oh...and those boostline rods ...they are awesome.
Please suggest what sleeves you would get if you were in my area. I am near Charlotte NC
Thanks for your time.
Wonder how much power they could make by using my prototype?
The prototype makes it possible to run full timing advance on my Mazda Protege with no noticeable knock or pinging.
I made A video showing where the timing was and where it is at now, with A few full throttle pulls at the start.
More tests are on the way.
Now imagine potentially new Honda K48 which is a V8
#pfispeed what ya reckon to this engine
Pfi is a joke of a shop. Everything is slapped together with out a care in the world. Everything they do is junk
Just because you put #pfispeed doesnt mean there going to see this dipshit
I didnt think they would see it dick cheese its inbred people like you that just sit at home picking at what people say like your fucking special ! What a absolute turd oh well I guess if that's how ya get ya jollys lmao
Hondas are the baddest mother fuckers ever created 💥💥💥💥💥 at only 32 pounds of boost ,that demon makes 1000 hp
like it, any suggestion what transmission suitable for this power?
And therein lies the riddle...
Well back to the drawing board
Where can I find these sleeves and copper o rings? And did you have to bore out the cylinders when placing the sleeves in?
Will these guys do the swap and tune or just crate and send you an engine?
My dream is to buy a civic body and ship this engine to my home and put it in the ek and boem! One hell of a civic?
No mention of which fuel they used? No mention of compression ratio? Also, why isn't the VTC solenoid hooked up to anything on the engine dyno? They retained VTC, but didn't use it???
Hi. I newly interest with automotive
I am amaze with your buildm congrats 👍
By the way. I still don't really get a point. Why some engine could go up to 500++ hp some other just below it. Even with higher CC
Is the specs provided somewhere? Size of the cylinder, head port size, etc. Do you know where it could be provided?
Dear Santa.....ive been kinda good.
I got a 2006 Honda Civic si coupe with a k24-a2 bottom and k20 on top very very fast.But l would like a build up of 650 plus horses to the wheels but docile on streets.
Nice job and nice video just I want to ask how long garante for this machine
awesome vid. Are they interference engine when built?
What compression ratio is used for this setup? Thanks
11.1
And how long this hold together?
@john vuhl definitely not a couple days lmao
Why isn’t the vtc actuator used then? Curious to know why it’s not connected
Interesting to me that they recommend sticking with the TSX head. For many years the recommendation was to go RSX head on the TSX block for high rpm, high boost, or big power builds. When did that change?
DJToneRI 4 piston ported the cylinder head. K20a2 head is better than the k24 head stock but it really has no benefits vs a ported 24 head
@@infamousgarage4900 You say that, but if you look at 4Pistons webpage, their ported RSX head flows more CFM than their ported TSX head. So even with their best engineered port job, the RSX head still seems to be better. This is my confusion why they're sticking with the TSX head here
DJToneRI Listen to the video he explained why
@@yadieldiaz6395 I'll watch it again, perhaps I missed it
damn makes me wanna sale my g35 coupe and get a rsx and build a k24 for it. shit i want this motor. but still gotta beef tranny up and axles so prob a 15 grand build for nothing to break and actually hold up. nice vid tho
15 grand?! Try more like 22-25k
@@thomasberry8012 i mean if you pay full labor cost.....i prefer to build my own cars ....
@@bobbyholmes4586
Oh I was just going by what you said. You said you "wanted this motor," which would not entail the lower cost of bldg your own car.
@@thomasberry8012 hows that??? i wouldn't call this company and say hey let me get the k24 blah blah ummm no id order parts here and there from different vendors.....no way in hell id buy a motor all the way put together gotta put my own sauce on it and you always pay too much when its fully assembled delivered to your door, labor cost are there they in the small fine print...its a bad motor no doubt but i really dont ever see me getting a 4 banger honestly prob just boost my shit i got.
@@bobbyholmes4586
Dude you literally said "THIS motor". There is no other way to comprehend that. Who cares go build one man! This is not worth arguing over.
Bravo.👍I cant wait to buy one.Hope you take credit card.
If I get this job I need to make 5,500$ and if I do I’m going to put a k24 with forged pistons and turbo on my daily Honda. By daily I mean my only car
Hertlife liked this video
Im still dreaming for na 350hp 4P motor...😍😍😍😍
try doing a na 4 rotor, easy 500hp ua-cam.com/video/TTRE07s8Tvk/v-deo.html
What's the life expectancy of this little pikachu? 1k miles ? Maybe 10 runs at the track ?
Sike
Is it the drag race motor on your website?
Need this
Kyle are you here?
Can you ship to portugal?
Engine price plus send away how much please?
No T-66 turbos or Motec System Exhaust? No buy.
Any DSM builds?
Do the pistons have oil consumpstion holes.
*TAKE MY MONEY*
I want Their K24 N/A Street engine that makes 360Hp🥺with K-Tuned parts in a Teggy
Images this in a classic mini, fiat/Abarth, vw bug or kombi!
It would be sacrilege especially the Fiat/ Abarth. As for the VW's, a good 1.8 20v Turbo will make as much power as this
How much? And how can I other?
I will love to see that engine race a 2arfe
Build a mid enigne honda S2000 with 1000hp K24 and 7 speed gearbox
Does the K24A4 need machining to fit the boostline rods?
I wondered I know it's a smaller engine and it's souped up pretty good is it any good for on off-road vehicle?
@@playandgrowtv9846 I have a Ford Explorer but I want to keep it as a four-wheeler vehicle and a family vehicle but I wanted it to have some balls. And it's about ready for it. So tell me what would be the best engine transmission and drivetrain to put in? I wanted to find a way you put an IROC Z28 engine in it but I'm thinking I'll find a way 2 twin turbo it or supercharged it
What Honda trans will stand that beast
How much to purchase built and ready to drop in?
I want to learn to build engine fuck this is a beauty