This is great info for race engine builders but what about guys building engines in their garage hoping to get 100,000 miles out of one? Many new car manufacturers are having major blow by and oil consumption issues with ultra thin low tension rings on really short pistons... how are we sposed to know if our local machine shop did our block with a good hone job? We can't test this stuff... do you think we should be stocking to thicker rings if we have no way of knowing what they are doing as a safety margin for our engines?
Note:🏁 1) Reduces Temperature 2) Power goes up 3) Less ware and friction 4) Cleaner oil 5) Variable modern hardness coatings 6) Water Temps lower 7) Plateau hone is best 8) Cost more? Yes, but its well worth it! Love the science, physics, and technology that goes into these awesome rings!
I know i will probably get laughed at but when I built my 12 3.7 engine before going procharged. I picked up 6whp/9ft going to total seal rings on my manley pistons. What I was more impressed with was how little blow by Ive had running my procharger. 444whp on 6 psi. Through a 6r80. I used hasting rings before total seal it was night and day difference on blow by.
@@simbanugz2906Nothing wrong with that. I remember a time in my life when 4 cylinder fox body was the car to have! For 6th grade I moved onto trucks being the most rad. 🎉 If it works for you and you’re happy with it that’s what matters. I haven’t been around engines like that much but those numbers seem pretty decent. I like what you said about the blow by. Was the price worth the gains for you?
If you use thinner rings with gas porting on the rings is the piston clearance more important and particular? Will a loose piston with thinner rings cause more damage than a loose piston with thicker rings. For a race application it won’t matter but for longer runs like a daily driver, is there an issue with incorrect or loose pistons running the gas ported thinner rings? Will they break easier?
We arnt all 400hp V8 centric viewers, its would always be nice to hear a % improvement. Then we can maybe extratrapolate the rough benefits to our own power source when considering which rings to buy. (The power graph is at 19.33) , 4% increase? would you expect engine of 100hp and a 1000hp to get a similar 4% gain? would a 4 cylinder have more or less to gain than a V12?
Did you test the 1/16 gas port rings on the same pistons that had the ductile molly rings? That would be an interesting comparison for those that don't want to buy new pistons.
Were your dyno cell instrumented you could measure thermal power of the coolant loop. If you measured mechanical power, exhaust thermal power, and coolant thermal power, you could more thoroughly understand where each joule is consumed.
I'm using Total Seal plasma moly 1/16 th ring stack with my 383/496 Mopar stroker build and my other build 400/512 stroker,,will be the new total seal gas ported rings in the same width ... Both engines will be dyno tested using the same exact max wedge fully ported heads and all USA made valvetrain and Heads❤❤❤
So, would it be safe to say that the gas ported rings contract during the intake stroke due to the vacuum in the cylinder? Further reducing friction and wear. I have always wanted to see just such a comparison as you have presented today. This is very interesting for an old school engine guy like myself.
The hot oil is not all about the increased friction . The point .9 ring combo obviously had less blowby , especially near peak power . And you know you didn't measure ( or comment on ) blowby intentionally for this test .
This is great info for race engine builders but what about guys building engines in their garage hoping to get 100,000 miles out of one? Many new car manufacturers are having major blow by and oil consumption issues with ultra thin low tension rings on really short pistons... how are we sposed to know if our local machine shop did our block with a good hone job? We can't test this stuff... do you think we should be stocking to thicker rings if we have no way of knowing what they are doing as a safety margin for our engines?
That’s a good question!
Note:🏁
1) Reduces Temperature
2) Power goes up
3) Less ware and friction
4) Cleaner oil
5) Variable modern hardness coatings
6) Water Temps lower
7) Plateau hone is best
8) Cost more? Yes, but its well worth it!
Love the science, physics, and technology that goes into these awesome rings!
excellent review and information guys!
Glad you liked it!
Glad you liked it!
I know i will probably get laughed at but when I built my 12 3.7 engine before going procharged. I picked up 6whp/9ft going to total seal rings on my manley pistons. What I was more impressed with was how little blow by Ive had running my procharger. 444whp on 6 psi. Through a 6r80. I used hasting rings before total seal it was night and day difference on blow by.
Guess I should or said 12 mustang
@@simbanugz2906Nothing wrong with that. I remember a time in my life when 4 cylinder fox body was the car to have! For 6th grade I moved onto trucks being the most rad. 🎉
If it works for you and you’re happy with it that’s what matters. I haven’t been around engines like that much but those numbers seem pretty decent. I like what you said about the blow by. Was the price worth the gains for you?
Conservation of energy. Physics. Thanks for showing it. Wonder what milage change that would be?
It would have been nice to see some blow by data on this test also.
Awesome info, thanks a million, I mean thanks for 20 HP! Cheers
If you use thinner rings with gas porting on the rings is the piston clearance more important and particular? Will a loose piston with thinner rings cause more damage than a loose piston with thicker rings. For a race application it won’t matter but for longer runs like a daily driver, is there an issue with incorrect or loose pistons running the gas ported thinner rings? Will they break easier?
Phenomenal! Firestone question. Will I be able to get similar piston rings for a 1.7L watercooled VW motor?
Oh. Btw. Thanks a million Lake for all your extremely valuable information. We really appreciate it sir. ❤
My pleasure
We arnt all 400hp V8 centric viewers, its would always be nice to hear a % improvement. Then we can maybe extratrapolate the rough benefits to our own power source when considering which rings to buy. (The power graph is at 19.33) , 4% increase? would you expect engine of 100hp and a 1000hp to get a similar 4% gain? would a 4 cylinder have more or less to gain than a V12?
Did you test the 1/16 gas port rings on the same pistons that had the ductile molly rings? That would be an interesting comparison for those that don't want to buy new pistons.
Were your dyno cell instrumented you could measure thermal power of the coolant loop. If you measured mechanical power, exhaust thermal power, and coolant thermal power, you could more thoroughly understand where each joule is consumed.
"Parasitic Power Loss" went down. I doubt MEP changed. Win Win Win! I wonder what changed with the brake specific?
It would have been nice to have in-cylinder combustion analysis hooked up while we were doing those tests.
Nice, informative. Less wear, less heat, less friction, more HP, etc. What about mileage tests? I'd guess most of your customers are street apps.
That’s what I want to know. I’m also curious if oil life could possibly be extended for some engines.
I'm using Total Seal plasma moly 1/16 th ring stack with my 383/496 Mopar stroker build and my other build 400/512 stroker,,will be the new total seal gas ported rings in the same width ... Both engines will be dyno tested using the same exact max wedge fully ported heads and all USA made valvetrain and Heads❤❤❤
Way cool!! Thanks for posting!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Have you considered the name "Hawk Tua Spit on That Thing Piston Ring"?😅
Same rules and uses for turbo, supercharger engines ?
You guy's are the best👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks!
Made my own rings out of bronze. Enigizer Boonee
So, would it be safe to say that the gas ported rings contract during the intake stroke due to the vacuum in the cylinder? Further reducing friction and wear.
I have always wanted to see just such a comparison as you have presented today. This is very interesting for an old school engine guy like myself.
The hot oil is not all about the increased friction . The point .9 ring combo obviously had less blowby , especially near peak power . And you know you didn't measure ( or comment on ) blowby intentionally for this test .
Alcohol sprint car motors oil temp ?
On the track, 280F to 300F
Just pay 600 dollars for the cheaper rings and avoid all that work. 😂
Jesus, have you been talking. You need to learn how to be shorter in words...
i dont beleive these amazing claims. The max difference between any and all ring technology isn't more than 1-3%
Could be a lot more to do with cylinder wall finish
Cryogenic treated etc, definitely surpasses 1-3% performance, longevity etc. Laughable people still live in denial
@@Hanibul_Lecktor We are in the age of only believing something if it suits you!