@@davidlarson3905 i love how instead of shying away from new found beatbox fans, but you except it. and add your singing background. thanks for reteaching me voice techniques with your vocabulary.
@@davidlarson3905 I try singing subharmonics since like a week or less ago. And it happens to me too. When it happens while talking it sounds much better then when I actually try to sing it.
Saw this video in my recommended right before I slept, lucid dreamt about doing subharmonics, woke up and actually did it for the first time myself. Just about the craziest thing I’ve experienced! Thanks for your informative videos, I’ve been binge watching them!
Inward bass is different from ingressive phonation. Inward bass is pretty much the vocal growl but going inward. Inward bass is more rough sounding. Ingressive phonation is like an inward vocal fry. And I'm sure vocal fry and the vocal growl are different. Just......just sayin👀 I'm a bass singer but I also beatbox😂
You are very correct and one of the few people I know from the beatbox community and who comment on David Larson’s videos that understand the difference
You are right, in the beatbox community, so-so, helium, b-art (he uses both inward bass and inward vocal fry), and even Napom use the inward vocal fry/inward phonation as a beatboxing bass. Whereas inertia, Audical, piratheeban, and markooz use true inward bass. My question for you is, can you describe the mechanics behind d low’s variation of inward bass, and twoh’s variation of inward bass? I feel like my hypothesis is that d low’s inward bass sounds so rumbly and deep and gravelyy because he’s adding vocalization to it, the inwards version of vocalized chest bass, basically a few others in the beatbox community have asserted this too. Whereas twoh’s inward bass variation seems like he’s combining either a falsetto inward vocalization (but then how is this different than the normal “high” inward bass that Audical is known for using?) and an inward vocal fry as well.
Also check out: chest bass, vocilised chest bass, vibration bass, evil bass, vocal bass. P.s. some might be already known with another name in singing, but wanna share cause these are pretty neat sounds. Also, great video.
As a trumpet player it's very cool to hear that the voice has something similar to our pedal tones on trumpet. Edit: also really cool how much you've studied this and done your research keep up the good work
There's actually a couple more beatboxing techniques (I know of) that allow you to use lower pitches. The first one being the sub-bass lip roll (which is kind of an "inward sideways lip buzz"), and the second one being the vibration bass (which I believe to be the equivalent of the second subharmonic for throat bass). Plus, the inward bass is not exactly the same thing as an inward phonation, or better: inward phonation is a type of inward bass, but it's not the only kind and it's rarely used in beatboxing. Cheers from a bass-boxer ;)
Thanks for the info! Comments on my last video made me curious about beatboxing - so I delved into videos for different techniques a bit more. I did see that "inwards sideways lip buzz"... Crazy honestly. Another one I saw was a tongue click roll - also crazy 😅 you beatboxers are from another planet I swear.
@@logana.martinez770 i love the smooth bass. Its basically harmonizing your uvula with your voice to create a rich and smooth bass. Tricky though, because pitching your uvula to match your voice is not an easy task
@@davidlarson3905 actually many of our sounds are easier than they look. And then it's just... practice! BTW, if you're interested in vocal beatboxing you should really listen to another vocal technique, not bass related, which is Akindé's double voice. It will blow your mind, I swear. Just look up his first round in "Akindé vs Samy Try" or his GBB 2019 tag team entry under the name Zen'hit. You will thank me later ;)
Hey nice video David! But for the inhale singing at 5:41, It doesn't sounds like inward bass to me. I think it's just inward vocal fry, although a lot of beatboxers say it is inward bass. For me inward bass is more like inward version of vocal growl. You can check some inward bass tutorials on youtube, you will find it's a different technique. Sorry for my bad English.😅 Anyway, thank you for such a good content tho🍞
Favourite bass singing channel on youtube, great content! I'd love to see you talk more about the bass techniques that beatboxers use (vocal bass, chest bass, throat bass, inward bass, etc. etc.) Also I accidentially discovered the second subharmonic today funnily enough, I was singing a subharmonic F#1 I believe when suddenly it switched to this much lower fry that still felt correct so to speak. I think my vocal chords where just the right kind of raspy today that it happended by chance :)
Thanks a ton for the support! Glad you are enjoying the videos. Beatboxers have some of the craziest techniques out there - I will definitely be looking into them more and possibly making videos on them. And yes, the 2nd subharmonic is tricky - sometimes it feels impossible, and sometimes your voice has *just* enough rasp in it to access the register easily 😎
@@davidlarson3905 Oh I absolutely *love* everything about bass singing and different vocal techniques (I dabble in brutal death metal vocals as well) so every upload is like a fix hahaha. Yeah I think that's exactly it ;)
@@davidlarson3905 Btw, while we are on the subject on beatboxers and the second subharmonic, my friend who is a beatboxer and has been helping me learn Kargyraa/Throat bass was testing out his limits and he managed to hit a brief B0 with Kargyraa! I'm not sure if he somehow activated the second subhamornic or what it was, but it was impressive for sure! You can hear him hitting a F#1 and then going down to the B0, I edited it a bit longer so it's easier to hear and put it over Tim Storms hitting a B0 for reference :) soundcloud.com/mikkel-scott-sorensen/mickies-insane-throat-singing-b0-how
@@Slamthulhu I believe it! While trying to record the throat bass part of this video, I definitely hit the 2nd subharmonic while doing throat bass - it was probably in the 1st-0 octave as well 😁
I'm a trombonist and a physics major, so I love all of your bass videos! As I understand it, the second frequency produced in subharmonics, lip buzzing, and multiphonics (when you play a note and sing another) is often called the "beat frequency". It is defined as simultaneously the difference and the sum of the two frequencies being made. So for the subharmonics: sing 116Hz (B flat 2) and fry 174Hz (F3) - the result is 174 - 116 = 58Hz or B flat 1 Likewise, for buzz lips and singing (you buzz your lips to play a brass instrument so they're pretty similar). As for inward singing and those extra subharmonics, I'm going to have to do some more reading! Given that the beat frequency is also sometimes referring to the sum of the frequencies, I think that means you can sing two notes at once... Say you sing 116Hz and 174Hz but could somehow amplify the sum, that would be 116 + 174 = 290Hz which is a rather flat D4. In tune, D4 has a frequency of 293.66Hz. So you could in theory produce some wild overtones from the harmonic series if you can sing and fry quite high... Also I can make some horrible sound with my head voice where I sound like a train's whistle, which produces two very out of tune notes at once. There's gotta be so much possible that has no research into it at all! Anyway, sorry for the long comment, hope you all have a great day!
the inhale scream is interesting for me because I'm used to inhale growling/ low death metal inhale singing. But with the death metal technique you can't get a pitch, and it's really difficult because I end up on the old death metal technique most of the time while attempting to get a pitch... But I'm working towards it
I'm a beatboxer. I understand why you may have heard that ingressive phonation is inward bass, and that may be an ambiguity that rose while the sound was being discovered and not many people understood it, but nowadays, inward bass is a fairly common bass technique that many can do profficiently and there's a general consensus on. So there is a bass technique called chest bass. It is done by relaxing the muscles in the vocal cords area, then tightening a muscle that feels to be below the vocal cords. (This could possibly be equivalent to the growl you do, although you may do the growl with some tension near the vocal cords as well) What is today mainly accepted as inward bass is chest bass, but breathing inward. However, here and there you'll find people that argue that ingressive phonation (which is with the vocal cords) also should receive the same name while being a different sound.
So I'm here replying to my own comment :P So you know how I was saying that chest bass is with this mysterious muscle below the vocal cords area? I've been messing around and my conclusion now is that chest bass is with the vestibular folds like you said with the growl, but instead of tightening them like in throat bass, you relax them and tighten somewhere lower to help direct the air flow. Idk sometimes it would be nice to have an x-ray or something :P
I actually use kargyraa in my school choir! It takes a lot of practice (duh), but you can sort of *round* out the sound, and it sounds more like chest. There’s also subharmonics that you can produce with throat bass. However, I only use it when we sing in Russian or similar sounding languages, because to *round* the sound, the vowels change, making it sound terrible with English words lol
During subharmonics you let both of your vocal folds at the same rate. The fry synchronized with every other flap of the folds prevent every other fold from happening. More fry can block more flaps from happening creating 2nd subs etc. Vocal fry is just air bubbles passing through and they can just block some flaps if its the right time.
Very nice! I really appreciate the effort you put into being clear and concise. As a vocal bass that's been following you for a while, I've tried to look into beatboxing bass techniques, and a) there are a million of them and they have 5 names for everything, and b) they use such different vocabulary to describe and teach them that it's really hard to decipher and translate into general singing. I've heard of the ones you mention here, and I'd love to see more of you taking beatboxing techniques and "translating" them for use in singing. Great video! PS: Loved the instrumental perspective on subharmonics, I've used the organ trick myself and it's a good thing to keep in mind when arranging. From the brass/instrumental perspective, which I'm very familiar with, pedal tones aren't actually subharmonics. The normal "fundamental" of a brass instrument is the second note of the (normal, upwards) harmonic series, that's why if you tighten your lips you go up a fifth to the first partial. Pedal tones are the true fundamental, the first note of the harmonic series that the instrument is capable of. That being said, subharmonics do happen! if you try to go really high in a low brass instrument, sometimes your tone will start to sound weak and you'll hear the note get fuzzy, and if you listen close the fuzziness is an octave down. Brass players call this "double buzzing", and its something they try and avoid. Kinda sounds like if you try singing high in subharmonics, they start to get weak and they sound fuzzy as the bass sound becomes less prominent and ixes more with the chest fundamental. I've messed around with how low I can get the double buzz on a euphonium, and I haven't been able to get it down to the range of pedal tones, but I'd be interested to hear if other people have. (On a somewhat related note, the physics of subharmonics makes total sense, but I fall into the camp of people that's a bit skeptical if that's what's happening in your throat or a brass instrument, even after using the technique myself four a couple years now. It still doesn't make sense to me that a type of relaxation would be for one vocal fold/lip to vibrate at a higher frequency, that seems like it would take more energy to sustain, not less. Some day I'm gonna get a clear mouthpiece and a really good slo-mo camera and figure this out once and for all.)
Your videos on subharmonic singing have been fantastic. Have you paid attention to the high Russian tenors who sometimes are there beside your favorite oktavists? They get up into the countertenor range, but do not sound like standard Baroque/early music countertenors. They have a very clear, light tone up there, but they maintain vocal cord compression, as far as I can hear. It's a beautiful. unique sound. I think I could learn to do it on my own, but if you've analyzed what they are doing and wanted to make a tutorial, that would be great.
Interestingly enough, the only thing I can't do yet from all of the techniques you showed is the subharmonics. I haven't been able to maintain it for more than a second at a time before popping off of it. Throat singing is very useful not only in beatboxing, which I can say by experience, but also for metal, as it becomes kind of easier to achieve false chord screams and such. I believe my difficulties comes with fry-related sounds in general, as I can't start many notes in vocal fry, nor perform a fry scream or maintain a subharmonic note for more than one second; being such an unsupported sound I find it hard to get just right, but your videos helped me a lot (I couldn't even get a single second before) especially when knowing exactly what to search for, so thank you Also, while very similar, ingressive phonation isn't the same as inward bass, but you absolutely need to know how to do it to achieve the inward bass. It is like screaming inwards, very weird but even more powerful. It is very harsh if done wrongly, though. I would love to see you covering some information about it when possible
haha that explains a lot. when I first started watching your videos to activate the subharmonic, I was getting the 5th of the note I was trying to sing instead of the perfect octave below. cool stuff man. love the videos.
Hey David, I’ve been following you for a little over 4 years now and I come from a bass singing background but am now much more beatboxing person and I think it is awesome to see you being introduced into the amazing world of beatboxing. Im glad you are exploring the comparisons between the two worlds and seem to be just as intrigued as I was at first, I know you’re not a reaction channel but if you were to ever watch high level beatbox videos such as the grand beatbox battle competition videos on the swissbeatbox channel, I would love to see your reactions and feedback on these amazing musicians. Again no pressure as its your channel but just a suggestion! Thanks again for everything you do!
Hey David because of you i went from a g3 as my lowest chest voice to e1 as my lowest (excluding my growl )!!!! Your vids are amazing and I can’t thank you enough!!!!!
low notes are like a part of my voice that im painfully aware of my limitations because of my interest in it and lack of capability to do it as well as proper basses, and i have a similar lowest chest note to u i believe (like B1-A1 on a good day) but i've been able to push my usable range downwards using techniques that u've talked about in ur videos so i want to like thank u for allowing to be able to jam on like notes as low as Eb1 in subs and C#1 in growls lol
Hey David, great video I very much appreciate the vocal knowledge getting shared to us in the beatbox community. However, after doing much studying and self-research into the anatomy of beatbox vocal basses myself, I’ve understood that “chest bass” or vocal firebreathing/“the growl” is NOT caused by the vestibular folds or the false vocal chords “by themselves”. Remember, the false vocal chords are actually the structures which cause throat bass or kargyraa throat singing, song with the true folds. The growl is actually a result of the EPIGLOTTIS, this can be be activated alongside the true folds or by itself, this is what we call “vocalized chest bass”. I’ve seen a stroboscopy of a beatbox performing chest bass myself to be able to confirm that the growl is NOT due to the false folds, like you’ve espoused in your previous videos, just wanted to share some knowledge!
Great Gods Bro Nice tutorial, the best thing i found The second subharmonics sounds awesome. I've practiced it few hours last week, and it works pretty well. Can't control it accurate yet but i keep on it, think few month of practice will do the thing
Hey David, This technique wirh subharmonics you used with the 3 big bass notes reminds me of the Russian basses of old, as well as today. Is this why Russian Basses can go deeper than most American Basses because they have used this sub-harmonic technique for years??? Thanks, LOVE ALL YOUR WORK. (Your teaching a 54 year old bass a lot of new tricks.-- Keep the videos coming. You are highly gifted to be so young.) WoW!!! I'm impressed!!! Bjb
David with the beat boxing technique and the bass technique, saying hes going to make a video on singing high, dude’s about to be a whole acapella group soon
If you search up vibration bass, it's basically throat bass but with the false cords doing a 5th below, like the 2nd subharmonic technique but with throat bass.
Dang that last subharmonic buzz is really cool. I play French horn and multiphonics which is singing/ humming one note and buzzing a different is a technique I’ve been exploring recently but hadn’t fount the faith brings it to the subharmonic
For me it is often more easy to sing vocal fry for low Bb1s but if it is the last note in a song and you jump down the oktave (happens often in a cappella) i could manage the first subharmonic, which i learned from your channel. Thanks for that.
False cord screaming is another name for growl, it's very common in metal. My favorite examples are Alex Terrible from Slaughter to Prevail ua-cam.com/video/79ojlwMzs0Q/v-deo.html And Travis Ryan from Cattle Decapitation ua-cam.com/video/OCsoB8p578Q/v-deo.html Tatiana Shmilyuk from Jinjer ua-cam.com/video/bxi3i9wzQBk/v-deo.html And Floor Jansen from Nightwish and Revamp ua-cam.com/video/vyLsU7Q333k/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/GpZMFALYeGc/v-deo.html
So summarized what I think on when to apply and what vocal folds used: 1. Growl: only for Microphone --> no regular vocal folds (uses larger vestibular folds) 2. Subharmonics: can be utilized in a chjoir/unplugged --> normal vocal folds 3. 2nd Subharmonics: difference from 2 uses other intervals (not sure how to achieve that?) both an sound similar than true bass low notes if shaped correctly 4. Throat bass: for Beatboxers, not normal singing --> regular vocal folds + false folds (regular + growl) 5. Inhale singing: can be used off mic in choral/accustic --> normal vocal folds 6. Lip Buzz: boatbox -> no voice 7. LipBuzz subharmonic: what the heck? :D --> to complicated and not aplicable for me So concluding for me only the subharmonic bass singing is really interesting. I already tried it out and could use it pretty quickly, but at the moment, I'm having a hard time with different vocal shapes and also with connecting it to my chest voice.
There's an other really cool inward bass technique in beatbox called inward growl. I learned it doing an inaled firebreath growl. This technique sound really simlare to the firebreath but it is way more loud and strong
I'm a 14 year old Oktavist, I have been singing for 6 years. I've been singing bass for 1 year so far. Your videos have helped me so much learning how to do subharmonics. Thank youuuu 😁😁👌👌
Great tutorial! Being a tenor, I'm sure if I have a subharmonic register, I can't access it yet. I'll just have to keep on truckin'. Hey, if you like lip buzzing, you would probably be interested in inward lip rolls. It's like lip buzzing but breathing inward to create the vibration. It was a viral sound in the beatbox community a few years ago, but is still really popular. If you want a good example, look up NaPoM the beatboxer. You won't be disappointed. I get lower notes with lip rolls than I can with outward lip buzzing, to be honest. Please keep doing these! Big up! Esh
Thanks for the video! Really helping man (: Can't wait for the next one. I would like to know more about the 2nd subharmonic, still don't quite understand what exactly to do. Thanks!
I think some "alien bass" was create with soft palate. This kind of snoring noise with perfect muscle and breathing control. That's maybe the 8th of the bass noises. :)
That's interesting! I thought it only happened to me but seems like it's common. I started practicing subharmonics a while ago and now I can sing a strong and easy D3 which used to be a PAIN to me, my new struggle low note is a C#3. I'll keep practicing until I reach a C3 so I don't feel angry every time I remember some sopranos can hit a C3 while I, a contralto, can't.
Holy shit man I didn’t even recognize you in the thumbnail - I guess I was watching your older videos - growl technique, subharmonics, you’ve definitely aged, your voice has dropped (!) and I like the haircut! I can’t imagine the bass you can sing now and obviously we’ll see when I watch the video!
Brooo!!!!! I didn't know you were the subharmonic dude!!!! I watched a your videos for that but I never learned out to use it. I'm a bass 2 and want to really learn how to sing with it
3:05 pedal tones aren’t exactly the same thing. It is literally just one fundamental. If you want to play a Bb1 on a trombone then you just play it. There’s no other technique to it such as playing a fifth above, unless you use multiphonics and play a Bb2 and sing an F2, then it will create the pedal Bb1 underneath, which is essentially what you described in lip buzz subharmonics. This can be done on all brass instruments too
That is correct. Although there is a extremely common misunderstanding about how subharmonics work. It started as a theory and now everyone believes that the vocal folds vibrate at different rates.
The inward bass that you explain is actually a different technique, that's actually vocal fry we use that too and that is powerful but actually not the inward bass that the beatboxers are telling you. Inward bass is inward variations of the chest bass.
Quick question: Can you make subharmonics WITH subharmonics? If I play a pedal D and my friend plays a pedal A will we get a D an octave lower? In other words, if I use subharmonics to play a D and my friend does the same to play an A would we get a double subharmonic of sorts?
Beatboxer here. Man, this was so informative. Amazing vocal techniques I didn't know existed. Can I ask, where/how did you learn these techniques? Did you take lessons from a singing school? Most of these techniques, except for lip buzz, inward, and throat bass, are currently underdeveloped in beatbox, and I would love to learn them!
Yo, I commented on ur previous video about vibration bass and throat bass vs 1st and 2nd subharmonics, it's good to see u make a follow-up video on those. One thing I want to add though is vocal folds + false cords can also result in vocal bass which is less rough than throat bass. U can check Beatboxer Wunknown for the tutorial and application. Beatboxer Pwad utilizes this technique to sing higher pitch, which is also cool sounding.
@@davidlarson3905 if you're checking out wunknown, the technique you are looking for is called 'vocalized chest bass' which he has a turorial for. Its sick. Honestly I'm so stoked that you're going down the beatbox rabbit hole because its going to just keep blowing your mind. 🤯
If it is possible to use the subharmonic with your normal vocal cords. Would it be posible to sing a subharmonic with the false cords? Essentially combining the subharmonic and growl techniques.
You are awesome bro i like your singig its really cool I am a beatboxer and i know its really hard to control my inward bass so if you have any advice i would like to here about it 😀😀
Hey , i really like your style and i watched few of your videos and they were o much entertaining , specialy when u watched beatboxers inward bass explaining it and u said u would love to be suggested what to do in the next video , so i highly suggest there is new video called Piratheeban vs FADHIL 1/4 Warewold beatbox battle and What Piratheeban did in that battle was beyond i ever though it was possible to do , please do video about it reviewing and telling your oppinion , i would love to see that and cant wait to see more stuff from you , your fan Watermelo
Great stuff! You HAVE to check out Gene Shinozaki for some perfect lip buzz sub harmonic stuff. He took this to perfection. He also has a tutorial on it, he calls it Lip Oscillation.
That lip buzz subharmonic is really cool. Try this instead: hold a low note, and WHISTLE A HIGH NOTE! Hilarious, but it works! Fun! You can sing a low throat part and follow it about six octaves higher! You can also suck air in between your back teeth on one side while partly blocking it with your tounge, use the side of your lips buzzing slowly to modulate: You're freakin FLIPPER!!! Bwaaaaahahahaha!!!!!
As a beatboxer i don't know what D1, D2, D3, G1, etc... im just casually here trying to find new basses to practice / find the name of some basses lmao
Dude you are so awesome it's like a bass encyclopedia it's so informative
Ayy thank you! I definitely don't know everything, but I do enjoy sharing what I know with all of you!
@@davidlarson3905 i love how instead of shying away from new found beatbox fans, but you except it. and add your singing background. thanks for reteaching me voice techniques with your vocabulary.
@@davidlarson3905 I shadow the original comment! You’re a great source for new bass vocalists here on UA-cam. Please come back on!
Go check Geoff's video for singing low. He said he learned from a video that is in his video's description and it is your video.
@@TTinari Sorry, didn't know😅
Can you maybe tell me which one it was please?
@@TTinari Ok cool, thanks
Woah
at 5:07 you did a subharmonic C#2 while talking normally. NICE
AHA
It happens more often than I'd like to admit... Might even have a video about this in the near future :')
@@davidlarson3905
I try singing subharmonics since like a week or less ago. And it happens to me too. When it happens while talking it sounds much better then when I actually try to sing it.
Hes too good that he accidentally does it
Saw this video in my recommended right before I slept, lucid dreamt about doing subharmonics, woke up and actually did it for the first time myself. Just about the craziest thing I’ve experienced! Thanks for your informative videos, I’ve been binge watching them!
3:22 I thought I entered heaven 😂😂
The funny thing is, Geoff Castellucci credited you in his video explaining subharmonics. The description said "Where I learned"
Inward bass is different from ingressive phonation. Inward bass is pretty much the vocal growl but going inward. Inward bass is more rough sounding. Ingressive phonation is like an inward vocal fry. And I'm sure vocal fry and the vocal growl are different. Just......just sayin👀 I'm a bass singer but I also beatbox😂
Word. I'm wondering why there're so many people(beatboxers?) saying that's inward bass.🤔
@@yuchien_huang because of Helium, he uses Inward Phonation as Inward bass
pablo vargas true true
You are very correct and one of the few people I know from the beatbox community and who comment on David Larson’s videos that understand the difference
You are right, in the beatbox community, so-so, helium, b-art (he uses both inward bass and inward vocal fry), and even Napom use the inward vocal fry/inward phonation as a beatboxing bass. Whereas inertia, Audical, piratheeban, and markooz use true inward bass. My question for you is, can you describe the mechanics behind d low’s variation of inward bass, and twoh’s variation of inward bass? I feel like my hypothesis is that d low’s inward bass sounds so rumbly and deep and gravelyy because he’s adding vocalization to it, the inwards version of vocalized chest bass, basically a few others in the beatbox community have asserted this too. Whereas twoh’s inward bass variation seems like he’s combining either a falsetto inward vocalization (but then how is this different than the normal “high” inward bass that Audical is known for using?) and an inward vocal fry as well.
3:18 so fking smooth, id realy love to learn this bass
I had to repeat that part who knows how many times,it sounds SOOOOO good!!!!!!!
Also check out: chest bass, vocilised chest bass, vibration bass, evil bass, vocal bass.
P.s. some might be already known with another name in singing, but wanna share cause these are pretty neat sounds. Also, great video.
Definitely will check those out! Thanks!
@@davidlarson3905 good luck! ❤
@voiceover 4fun Subharmonics for sure!
Workin on my evil base
Djb3an n roham have sick basses!!
Chest bass is the growl/firebreathing referred to in the video, basically
Awesome video, David!! Thanks!
As a trumpet player it's very cool to hear that the voice has something similar to our pedal tones on trumpet.
Edit: also really cool how much you've studied this and done your research keep up the good work
There's actually a couple more beatboxing techniques (I know of) that allow you to use lower pitches. The first one being the sub-bass lip roll (which is kind of an "inward sideways lip buzz"), and the second one being the vibration bass (which I believe to be the equivalent of the second subharmonic for throat bass). Plus, the inward bass is not exactly the same thing as an inward phonation, or better: inward phonation is a type of inward bass, but it's not the only kind and it's rarely used in beatboxing. Cheers from a bass-boxer ;)
Thanks for the info! Comments on my last video made me curious about beatboxing - so I delved into videos for different techniques a bit more. I did see that "inwards sideways lip buzz"... Crazy honestly. Another one I saw was a tongue click roll - also crazy 😅 you beatboxers are from another planet I swear.
There are also smoother bass like the called "vocal bass" the best example of a vocal bass beatboxer is "Pwad"
@@logana.martinez770 i love the smooth bass. Its basically harmonizing your uvula with your voice to create a rich and smooth bass. Tricky though, because pitching your uvula to match your voice is not an easy task
@@davidlarson3905 actually many of our sounds are easier than they look. And then it's just... practice!
BTW, if you're interested in vocal beatboxing you should really listen to another vocal technique, not bass related, which is Akindé's double voice. It will blow your mind, I swear. Just look up his first round in "Akindé vs Samy Try" or his GBB 2019 tag team entry under the name Zen'hit. You will thank me later ;)
@@logana.martinez770 Yeah, forgot about that... and it's one of the techniques I do better XD
I'd love to see a video of multiple ways to increase chest voice if you know how to do that
Hey nice video David! But for the inhale singing at 5:41, It doesn't sounds like inward bass to me. I think it's just inward vocal fry, although a lot of beatboxers say it is inward bass. For me inward bass is more like inward version of vocal growl. You can check some inward bass tutorials on youtube, you will find it's a different technique. Sorry for my bad English.😅 Anyway, thank you for such a good content tho🍞
thats not inward bass
Favourite bass singing channel on youtube, great content!
I'd love to see you talk more about the bass techniques that beatboxers use (vocal bass, chest bass, throat bass, inward bass, etc. etc.)
Also I accidentially discovered the second subharmonic today funnily enough, I was singing a subharmonic F#1 I believe when suddenly it switched to this much lower fry that still felt correct so to speak. I think my vocal chords where just the right kind of raspy today that it happended by chance :)
Thanks a ton for the support! Glad you are enjoying the videos. Beatboxers have some of the craziest techniques out there - I will definitely be looking into them more and possibly making videos on them.
And yes, the 2nd subharmonic is tricky - sometimes it feels impossible, and sometimes your voice has *just* enough rasp in it to access the register easily 😎
@@davidlarson3905 Oh I absolutely *love* everything about bass singing and different vocal techniques (I dabble in brutal death metal vocals as well) so every upload is like a fix hahaha. Yeah I think that's exactly it ;)
@@davidlarson3905 Btw, while we are on the subject on beatboxers and the second subharmonic, my friend who is a beatboxer and has been helping me learn Kargyraa/Throat bass was testing out his limits and he managed to hit a brief B0 with Kargyraa! I'm not sure if he somehow activated the second subhamornic or what it was, but it was impressive for sure!
You can hear him hitting a F#1 and then going down to the B0, I edited it a bit longer so it's easier to hear and put it over Tim Storms hitting a B0 for reference :)
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@@Slamthulhu I believe it! While trying to record the throat bass part of this video, I definitely hit the 2nd subharmonic while doing throat bass - it was probably in the 1st-0 octave as well 😁
I'm a trombonist and a physics major, so I love all of your bass videos!
As I understand it, the second frequency produced in subharmonics, lip buzzing, and multiphonics (when you play a note and sing another) is often called the "beat frequency". It is defined as simultaneously the difference and the sum of the two frequencies being made.
So for the subharmonics:
sing 116Hz (B flat 2) and fry 174Hz (F3) - the result is 174 - 116 = 58Hz or B flat 1
Likewise, for buzz lips and singing (you buzz your lips to play a brass instrument so they're pretty similar).
As for inward singing and those extra subharmonics, I'm going to have to do some more reading!
Given that the beat frequency is also sometimes referring to the sum of the frequencies, I think that means you can sing two notes at once...
Say you sing 116Hz and 174Hz but could somehow amplify the sum, that would be 116 + 174 = 290Hz which is a rather flat D4. In tune, D4 has a frequency of 293.66Hz. So you could in theory produce some wild overtones from the harmonic series if you can sing and fry quite high...
Also I can make some horrible sound with my head voice where I sound like a train's whistle, which produces two very out of tune notes at once.
There's gotta be so much possible that has no research into it at all!
Anyway, sorry for the long comment, hope you all have a great day!
Wow man. You explained me all
the inhale scream is interesting for me because I'm used to inhale growling/ low death metal inhale singing. But with the death metal technique you can't get a pitch, and it's really difficult because I end up on the old death metal technique most of the time while attempting to get a pitch... But I'm working towards it
Yo check blackened he does metal style its sick!!
Humble, informative, and you do your research. Love it! Notifications on
I'm a beatboxer. I understand why you may have heard that ingressive phonation is inward bass, and that may be an ambiguity that rose while the sound was being discovered and not many people understood it, but nowadays, inward bass is a fairly common bass technique that many can do profficiently and there's a general consensus on.
So there is a bass technique called chest bass. It is done by relaxing the muscles in the vocal cords area, then tightening a muscle that feels to be below the vocal cords. (This could possibly be equivalent to the growl you do, although you may do the growl with some tension near the vocal cords as well)
What is today mainly accepted as inward bass is chest bass, but breathing inward. However, here and there you'll find people that argue that ingressive phonation (which is with the vocal cords) also should receive the same name while being a different sound.
So I'm here replying to my own comment :P
So you know how I was saying that chest bass is with this mysterious muscle below the vocal cords area? I've been messing around and my conclusion now is that chest bass is with the vestibular folds like you said with the growl, but instead of tightening them like in throat bass, you relax them and tighten somewhere lower to help direct the air flow.
Idk sometimes it would be nice to have an x-ray or something :P
I actually use kargyraa in my school choir! It takes a lot of practice (duh), but you can sort of *round* out the sound, and it sounds more like chest. There’s also subharmonics that you can produce with throat bass. However, I only use it when we sing in Russian or similar sounding languages, because to *round* the sound, the vowels change, making it sound terrible with English words lol
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says bass
There are so many jokes & memes, but you somehow still maintain a serious tone in the video. It's so entertaining lol
During subharmonics you let both of your vocal folds at the same rate. The fry synchronized with every other flap of the folds prevent every other fold from happening. More fry can block more flaps from happening creating 2nd subs etc.
Vocal fry is just air bubbles passing through and they can just block some flaps if its the right time.
You let both of your vocal folds vibrate at the same rate*
Very nice! I really appreciate the effort you put into being clear and concise. As a vocal bass that's been following you for a while, I've tried to look into beatboxing bass techniques, and a) there are a million of them and they have 5 names for everything, and b) they use such different vocabulary to describe and teach them that it's really hard to decipher and translate into general singing. I've heard of the ones you mention here, and I'd love to see more of you taking beatboxing techniques and "translating" them for use in singing. Great video!
PS: Loved the instrumental perspective on subharmonics, I've used the organ trick myself and it's a good thing to keep in mind when arranging. From the brass/instrumental perspective, which I'm very familiar with, pedal tones aren't actually subharmonics. The normal "fundamental" of a brass instrument is the second note of the (normal, upwards) harmonic series, that's why if you tighten your lips you go up a fifth to the first partial. Pedal tones are the true fundamental, the first note of the harmonic series that the instrument is capable of. That being said, subharmonics do happen! if you try to go really high in a low brass instrument, sometimes your tone will start to sound weak and you'll hear the note get fuzzy, and if you listen close the fuzziness is an octave down. Brass players call this "double buzzing", and its something they try and avoid. Kinda sounds like if you try singing high in subharmonics, they start to get weak and they sound fuzzy as the bass sound becomes less prominent and ixes more with the chest fundamental. I've messed around with how low I can get the double buzz on a euphonium, and I haven't been able to get it down to the range of pedal tones, but I'd be interested to hear if other people have.
(On a somewhat related note, the physics of subharmonics makes total sense, but I fall into the camp of people that's a bit skeptical if that's what's happening in your throat or a brass instrument, even after using the technique myself four a couple years now. It still doesn't make sense to me that a type of relaxation would be for one vocal fold/lip to vibrate at a higher frequency, that seems like it would take more energy to sustain, not less. Some day I'm gonna get a clear mouthpiece and a really good slo-mo camera and figure this out once and for all.)
Your videos on subharmonic singing have been fantastic. Have you paid attention to the high Russian tenors who sometimes are there beside your favorite oktavists? They get up into the countertenor range, but do not sound like standard Baroque/early music countertenors. They have a very clear, light tone up there, but they maintain vocal cord compression, as far as I can hear. It's a beautiful. unique sound. I think I could learn to do it on my own, but if you've analyzed what they are doing and wanted to make a tutorial, that would be great.
Great video! awesome to see someone as interested in extended vocal techniques as me!
Interestingly enough, the only thing I can't do yet from all of the techniques you showed is the subharmonics. I haven't been able to maintain it for more than a second at a time before popping off of it. Throat singing is very useful not only in beatboxing, which I can say by experience, but also for metal, as it becomes kind of easier to achieve false chord screams and such. I believe my difficulties comes with fry-related sounds in general, as I can't start many notes in vocal fry, nor perform a fry scream or maintain a subharmonic note for more than one second; being such an unsupported sound I find it hard to get just right, but your videos helped me a lot (I couldn't even get a single second before) especially when knowing exactly what to search for, so thank you
Also, while very similar, ingressive phonation isn't the same as inward bass, but you absolutely need to know how to do it to achieve the inward bass. It is like screaming inwards, very weird but even more powerful. It is very harsh if done wrongly, though. I would love to see you covering some information about it when possible
haha that explains a lot. when I first started watching your videos to activate the subharmonic, I was getting the 5th of the note I was trying to sing instead of the perfect octave below. cool stuff man. love the videos.
It is an explanation based on a theory proved false though. During subharmonics the vocal folds vibrate at the same rate
Boiii nailed that subharmonic explanation! Thou Yang would be proud.
Exactly what I needed, thanks again dude
Glad I could make your day better - that's what my videos are all about! 👍
I just discovered on accident that you can do inhale subharmonics, they sound SUPER WACK.
Here for the beatbox content. Thanks
Awesome list and demonstration. Very informative and concise. Thanks!
This has me excited!!! Haha I can pull air in for the inward bass, but I can not fry inwardly.
I really gotta learn that inhale technique. Thank you for another great video, love the work.
I do love these videos. Oddly, someone told me on Sunday that my natural singing voice was tenor 2.
Hey David, I’ve been following you for a little over 4 years now and I come from a bass singing background but am now much more beatboxing person and I think it is awesome to see you being introduced into the amazing world of beatboxing. Im glad you are exploring the comparisons between the two worlds and seem to be just as intrigued as I was at first, I know you’re not a reaction channel but if you were to ever watch high level beatbox videos such as the grand beatbox battle competition videos on the swissbeatbox channel, I would love to see your reactions and feedback on these amazing musicians. Again no pressure as its your channel but just a suggestion! Thanks again for everything you do!
This is actually a video I'm working on right now! Ha!
Thank you so much for your support 😁
@@davidlarson3905 holy!! Your gonna do some beatboxing stuff on yr channel?! Thx man thx!
Your incredible man. Thanks for expanding my mind.
Bruhhh... Glad u back
Hey David because of you i went from a g3 as my lowest chest voice to e1 as my lowest (excluding my growl )!!!! Your vids are amazing and I can’t thank you enough!!!!!
low notes are like a part of my voice that im painfully aware of my limitations because of my interest in it and lack of capability to do it as well as proper basses, and i have a similar lowest chest note to u i believe (like B1-A1 on a good day) but i've been able to push my usable range downwards using techniques that u've talked about in ur videos so i want to like thank u for allowing to be able to jam on like notes as low as Eb1 in subs and C#1 in growls lol
Hey David, great video I very much appreciate the vocal knowledge getting shared to us in the beatbox community. However, after doing much studying and self-research into the anatomy of beatbox vocal basses myself, I’ve understood that “chest bass” or vocal firebreathing/“the growl” is NOT caused by the vestibular folds or the false vocal chords “by themselves”. Remember, the false vocal chords are actually the structures which cause throat bass or kargyraa throat singing, song with the true folds. The growl is actually a result of the EPIGLOTTIS, this can be be activated alongside the true folds or by itself, this is what we call “vocalized chest bass”. I’ve seen a stroboscopy of a beatbox performing chest bass myself to be able to confirm that the growl is NOT due to the false folds, like you’ve espoused in your previous videos, just wanted to share some knowledge!
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Nice tutorial, the best thing i found
The second subharmonics sounds awesome. I've practiced it few hours last week, and it works pretty well. Can't control it accurate yet but i keep on it, think few month of practice will do the thing
Hey David, This technique wirh subharmonics you used with the 3 big bass notes reminds me of the Russian basses of old, as well as today. Is this why Russian Basses can go deeper than most American Basses because they have used this sub-harmonic technique for years??? Thanks, LOVE ALL YOUR WORK. (Your teaching a 54 year old bass a lot of new tricks.-- Keep the videos coming. You are highly gifted to be so young.) WoW!!! I'm impressed!!! Bjb
David with the beat boxing technique and the bass technique, saying hes going to make a video on singing high, dude’s about to be a whole acapella group soon
If you search up vibration bass, it's basically throat bass but with the false cords doing a 5th below, like the 2nd subharmonic technique but with throat bass.
5:45 BRUH he givin Dlow a run for his money (back)
Dang that last subharmonic buzz is really cool. I play French horn and multiphonics which is singing/ humming one note and buzzing a different is a technique I’ve been exploring recently but hadn’t fount the faith brings it to the subharmonic
For me it is often more easy to sing vocal fry for low Bb1s but if it is the last note in a song and you jump down the oktave (happens often in a cappella) i could manage the first subharmonic, which i learned from your channel. Thanks for that.
I’ve heard one that does Growl Subharmonics!😮 You are the best!❤
5:06 *talks in subharmonics*
False cord screaming is another name for growl, it's very common in metal. My favorite examples are Alex Terrible from Slaughter to Prevail
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So summarized what I think on when to apply and what vocal folds used:
1. Growl: only for Microphone --> no regular vocal folds (uses larger vestibular folds)
2. Subharmonics: can be utilized in a chjoir/unplugged --> normal vocal folds
3. 2nd Subharmonics: difference from 2 uses other intervals (not sure how to achieve that?)
both an sound similar than true bass low notes if shaped correctly
4. Throat bass: for Beatboxers, not normal singing --> regular vocal folds + false folds (regular + growl)
5. Inhale singing: can be used off mic in choral/accustic --> normal vocal folds
6. Lip Buzz: boatbox -> no voice
7. LipBuzz subharmonic: what the heck? :D --> to complicated and not aplicable for me
So concluding for me only the subharmonic bass singing is really interesting. I already tried it out and could use it pretty quickly, but at the moment, I'm having a hard time with different vocal shapes and also with connecting it to my chest voice.
There's an other really cool inward bass technique in beatbox called inward growl. I learned it doing an inaled firebreath growl. This technique sound really simlare to the firebreath but it is way more loud and strong
Bro this mic is epic, what kind is it?
Neumann TLM - 103 !
Woah this vid is great!
And you made the lip sub-harmonic technique? That's dope!
So many new things I've learned. Thanks man!
I'm a 14 year old Oktavist, I have been singing for 6 years. I've been singing bass for 1 year so far. Your videos have helped me so much learning how to do subharmonics. Thank youuuu 😁😁👌👌
What is your lower chest note?
@@ferbmixes8352 Ab1 to A1
@@JoshuaF-v8y Wow. I'm also 14 and I just hit E2, max D2. Any chance for me to be a bass singer? I wanna hear you.
@@ferbmixes8352 yes there is a chance, a month ago I could only hit a D2 and now I can do a B1 (on a good day). Don't worry
@@theriffrepeaterjr.1772 Im 12 and can go down to about a E2 do u think i will go lower? Lmao😳
Great tutorial! Being a tenor, I'm sure if I have a subharmonic register, I can't access it yet. I'll just have to keep on truckin'. Hey, if you like lip buzzing, you would probably be interested in inward lip rolls. It's like lip buzzing but breathing inward to create the vibration. It was a viral sound in the beatbox community a few years ago, but is still really popular. If you want a good example, look up NaPoM the beatboxer. You won't be disappointed. I get lower notes with lip rolls than I can with outward lip buzzing, to be honest. Please keep doing these! Big up! Esh
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Many thanks man, great work 😎👍
If you look up a lip roll (a beatboxing technique) and add that inward bass/inhale singing/ingressive phonation it feels really low
Thanks for the video! Really helping man (:
Can't wait for the next one. I would like to know more about the 2nd subharmonic, still don't quite understand what exactly to do. Thanks!
You should check out bass techniques that include liproll, it works like 'lip buzz' (with breathing in) but can be ridiculously clean.
I think some "alien bass" was create with soft palate. This kind of snoring noise with perfect muscle and breathing control. That's maybe the 8th of the bass noises. :)
That's interesting! I thought it only happened to me but seems like it's common. I started practicing subharmonics a while ago and now I can sing a strong and easy D3 which used to be a PAIN to me, my new struggle low note is a C#3. I'll keep practicing until I reach a C3 so I don't feel angry every time I remember some sopranos can hit a C3 while I, a contralto, can't.
Holy shit man I didn’t even recognize you in the thumbnail - I guess I was watching your older videos - growl technique, subharmonics, you’ve definitely aged, your voice has dropped (!) and I like the haircut! I can’t imagine the bass you can sing now and obviously we’ll see when I watch the video!
You said major throwback so I’m not crazy lol but yeah the transformation is real and awesome! Keep it up!
Dude omg u have so much control on your voice and muscles
I want that too T-T
Love the knowledge! Beatboxers will est this up! I know I am!
Much like the lip buzz subnarmonic, you can do something similar while whistling.
the first one just tickles my ears🙃🙃
Brooo!!!!! I didn't know you were the subharmonic dude!!!! I watched a your videos for that but I never learned out to use it. I'm a bass 2 and want to really learn how to sing with it
3:05 pedal tones aren’t exactly the same thing. It is literally just one fundamental. If you want to play a Bb1 on a trombone then you just play it. There’s no other technique to it such as playing a fifth above, unless you use multiphonics and play a Bb2 and sing an F2, then it will create the pedal Bb1 underneath, which is essentially what you described in lip buzz subharmonics. This can be done on all brass instruments too
I'm glad the beatbox community hit you up XD.... Imma beatboxer
Dear David! Can you do a video about your vocal range?
Stay tuned and you will definitely not be disappointed 😉
Can’t wait👍
Damn I can do the lip buzz so, I can also do the lip buzz subharmonic and it's really cool. Nice video!
I think subharmonics have helped my chest voice get lower not sure how but it has happened.
I wonder if the inward bass works because when you breath in, it forces your vocal chords into a subharmonic?
That is correct. Although there is a extremely common misunderstanding about how subharmonics work. It started as a theory and now everyone believes that the vocal folds vibrate at different rates.
The inward bass that you explain is actually a different technique, that's actually vocal fry we use that too and that is powerful but actually not the inward bass that the beatboxers are telling you. Inward bass is inward variations of the chest bass.
Inward bass is different, cause on inward bass you dont "sing", its just inhale growling
I don't think so, this is because I find it much easier to switch from chest voice to inward bass than growl to inward bass and back
Im doing inward bass (a lot of variations) and thats not it
TheComedyne sounds like your doing inward fry
The inward lips roll allowes to do really low sounds too
Me:*hears the second subharmonic sample* YEEEESSS I WANNA SOUND LIKE A BOAT
Quick question: Can you make subharmonics WITH subharmonics? If I play a pedal D and my friend plays a pedal A will we get a D an octave lower? In other words, if I use subharmonics to play a D and my friend does the same to play an A would we get a double subharmonic of sorts?
Good news, he attempted this with Bobby Bass in his newest video lol
Beatboxer here. Man, this was so informative. Amazing vocal techniques I didn't know existed. Can I ask, where/how did you learn these techniques? Did you take lessons from a singing school? Most of these techniques, except for lip buzz, inward, and throat bass, are currently underdeveloped in beatbox, and I would love to learn them!
Yo, I commented on ur previous video about vibration bass and throat bass vs 1st and 2nd subharmonics, it's good to see u make a follow-up video on those. One thing I want to add though is vocal folds + false cords can also result in vocal bass which is less rough than throat bass. U can check Beatboxer Wunknown for the tutorial and application. Beatboxer Pwad utilizes this technique to sing higher pitch, which is also cool sounding.
I will definitely check those out - it seems like beatboxers have lots of variations for these techniques down to a science 👍 thanks!
@@davidlarson3905 if you're checking out wunknown, the technique you are looking for is called 'vocalized chest bass' which he has a turorial for. Its sick. Honestly I'm so stoked that you're going down the beatbox rabbit hole because its going to just keep blowing your mind. 🤯
If we're talking about inward bass definitely look up Audical and Two.h amazing beatboxers.
@@000ico oh man two.h's inward bass is insane. Sounds like he's summoning a demon
@@ScribblyDoodle indeed not quite sure how he does it but it's like inward bass with a weird tounge position
If it is possible to use the subharmonic with your normal vocal cords. Would it be posible to sing a subharmonic with the false cords? Essentially combining the subharmonic and growl techniques.
What kind of mic are you using? Do you utilize proximity effect to add thickness to the lows?
I kind of made it, Thank you! 😍
You are awesome bro i like your singig its really cool
I am a beatboxer and i know its really hard to control my inward bass so if you have any advice i would like to here about it 😀😀
Hey David. The growl singing technique comes pretty natural me and I sing a faith above that with normal folds. Would this be growl subharmonics?
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@David Larson are you going to make another Ingressive Phonation video? Just curious
I only know and was practicing karrgara.
Great stuff! You HAVE to check out Gene Shinozaki for some perfect lip buzz sub harmonic stuff. He took this to perfection. He also has a tutorial on it, he calls it Lip Oscillation.
I'd like to see a video about the whistle register.
That lip buzz subharmonic is really cool. Try this instead: hold a low note, and WHISTLE A HIGH NOTE! Hilarious, but it works! Fun! You can sing a low throat part and follow it about six octaves higher!
You can also suck air in between your back teeth on one side while partly blocking it with your tounge, use the side of your lips buzzing slowly to modulate: You're freakin FLIPPER!!! Bwaaaaahahahaha!!!!!
As a beatboxer i don't know what D1, D2, D3, G1, etc... im just casually here trying to find new basses to practice / find the name of some basses lmao
Thanks!
Arti from austria has pretty much mastered the deeeeeep deep basses
(A beatboxer, whoops, lol)
How do you make the lower note, that is created by the subharmonic louder than the higher note?