ICF Exterior Finishes
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- Опубліковано 25 бер 2023
- With the home show this weekend we just wanted to quickly cover ICF exterior finishes, it's been a common question and I often gloss over it as well as waterproofing options... We now carry Nuduras line of products and they have some of the most innovative waterproofing options available and I touch on them in this video as well.
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We did natural stone on the face of our new house build in southern Iowa. The stone that came out of digging the basement was set aside. We already incorporated a brick ledge in the build and had planned on brick face but so much stone came out of the dig we used it instead. Z ties were heavily used to help hold it on and it looks great.
Thanks for the informative video.
Per building science & 40 years experience as a remodeler, you definitely need to shed the water out away & from the foam. Siding lets in moisture & bulk water that WILL go behind the siding & then through the foam, gets absorbed into the concrete & so on till it gets into the interior finishes/ house.
"moisture goes to dry"
There are lots of good products out there that help minimize these issues, but they all need to be installed properly.
Just can not thank you enough for the time and effort you put into these. We are taking a road trip along the Gulf Coast next week and planned to stop on dauphin Island as it was recommended. I'll have a big smile on my face if I recognize your pools! Thank you.
Intersection of Sam Houston and bienville blvd;)
@Cutting Edge Homes ! it's a lovely place and the location is to die for.
I think a great video for you to do, or touch on at least, would be Metal Siding. Especially vertical PBR type metal paneling. Due to the spacing of the panels, they do not conveniently line up with the ICF webbing. This type of siding presents a challenge to install, especially when you throw in windows, doors, and penetrations to work around.
We used Novabrik for the sides and back of the house 23 years ago and my neighbours had to change their siding 1-2 and even 3 times
Take a look at STPE (Silyl Terminated Polyether) fluid applied barriers as the newest hotness. They are fantastic for spray on barriers, as well thicker types for flashing openings, though one needs to verify with the manufacturer that they are EPS foam safe if they don't explicitly state it. Makes a nice water drainage plane. Nudura (rebranded tremco) uses an "old tech" asphalt based barrier that can crack over time.
Hi Aaron,
Your videos are an awesome resource for us as we get closer to building our ICF home. Thank you for all that you do to educate people about ICF! We are definitely going to get a pool kit from you once we finish the house.
We are building in Southwest Florida. Do you recommend waterproofing the walls before we stucco?
Have you ever used PreBuck for bucking windows and doors?
I don’t see a ton of reason behind waterproofing walls above grade but you are in a very wet region…. I have bc a friend doing icf buildings and pools in Naples if you need any assistance I can get you her contact! Never used prebuck, seems good though!
@@cuttingedgehomes9251Thank you for the reply and the offer to get contact information for your friend in Naples. We will need all the help we can get! We are doing ICF walls and roof with Helix rebar repalcement for much of the reinforcement and MST-BAR fiberglass rebar as much as possible for the remaining rebar requirements. It should be interesting to say the least!
The Prebuck product is very intriguing to me because of all of the advantages over PT lumber. They also make a pre-shaped parapet cap and a sill plate that can be embedded directly into the concrete.
Hope we're not getting in over our heads but we are about to find out😊
Thank you for investing your time in producing excellent content for IFC. Your channel has been a great source of knowledge for me, and I have learned a lot. I am planning to begin construction on a new home using the Fox Block system. Do you recommend using the Fox Blocks or opting for LVL instead?
For the window jambs. Lvl of fox bucks.
Or fox bucks
Thank you, mostly I like fox blocks for these applications but feel free to share plans to support@icfguru.com and I’ll give you a more informed opinion
Oh just saw clarifications, fox are great, gorilla bucks are easier, I’d opt out of lvl for cost!
Would you ever do a video on how you finish an icf roof?
We will be doing that
Check out Jesse Muller's channel. He did that recently for his ICF house.
Do you have a door threshold detail with sub-floor? Can you do a video specifically on type of door installs?
Would there be any advantage (or disadvantage other than the obvious time and cost) to throwing a layer of paint over the blocks before covering them up with the cladding?
Whatever is with your arm, get well soon.
Broke my shoulder…. I’ll find out more Friday 🤞🏼
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 damn that hurts a lot. :( I know that because I had that too once. Without complications, you are fine in 4-6 weeks. *fingers crossed*
The first course I took for ICF warned us not to use an air nailer. If you have to remove a nail it could pull out a section of the block
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Your garage is bigger than most British 3-bedroom houses :)
Lol
Can you go over siding which are fire resistant for ICF?
Timber siding / weatherboards to ICF? We've got an old villa that has 220mm / 9" timber weatherboards rather than vinyl siding you see...
For attaching LP siding, when you say Craig screws, do you mean the screws used with Craig jig? (Seems like the head will hold the siding out and allow bugs lots of places to go...)How long do they need to be? What about the trim boards that have exposed fasteners?
Ya kreg screws are just for vinyl the pan head won’t work on LP…. There are multiple tapered head options, the web is about half an inch inside the foam, so length should be at least an inch more than the thickness of the siding
Planning to install 6mm porcelain tile/slabs on the exterior finish? can you just used regular mortar and stick the tiles on the nudura walls like it is usually done on concrete floors? Planning to install that around the garage doors and a border of 2 /12 ft all around the house at the bottom with EIFS on top.
No there are very specific prep steps that need to be followed exactly, then tile is awesome!
I’m putting together the plans for a home under 800 sqft.
Legalett slab.
ICF walls.
Sloped LiteReck et al roof.
Are you familiar with Legalett in slab radiant heating?
Thanks for the videos! I am a builder in NC. Who should I contact for take offs and purchasing?
Shoot email to support@icfguru.com and we’ll get u a quote
marble on outside walls white stone look would be nice simple no painting maybe even marble on the roof too white no paint stone color
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Have you ever used Form-A-Drain and if you have, what is your opinion of it?
I have not, I’ve looked it over, really like fast foot for its ease and rising damp control, and traditional drain tile is cheap/easy, so I’ve never been able to justify, it’s neat though!
Thank you for your video. Why in the world would you build icf structure and finish it with cheap vinyl?
To match the surrounding architecture…. Not the norm but works in this scenario
I have yet to see how you would install cedar shingles on these. Up here in Maine I install 100’s of squares of cedar shingles for siding every year. My son is about to build a 5000 sq ft chalet style home and going to be cedar shingled so wondering how this will work if we go with ICF
Likely horizontal furring strips
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 If that is the case than you might as well just sheath the whole building because furring strips every 5” would almost equal that
I’m doing an 800Sq Ft addition on a commercial building I own (20ft x 40ft box with commercial doors in front pass doors on side/back of addition) I’m using prefabricated trusses for the roof. Any thoughts about using ICF blocks for a commercial addition ?
Ya tons of thoughts, we have recently noticed the price of cmu blocks over 10’ are so expensive labor wise it’s literally the same as icf once you factor in insulation and furring, we have been talking to a huge chain of store that typically build free standing in front of big strip centers and bigbox about switching to icf and everyone so far is very excited…. I’m sure all metal is cheaper but block isn’t…. And you get all the structural benifits and thermal efficiencies!
@@cuttingedgehomes9251 Thank you very much for the advice! Great job on your swimming pools too!
The exposed portion of ICF below the siding but above ground is what I'm looking to cover/coat. Previous owners/builders left it exposed 25 years ago. Looking kind of rough. Would like to protect and cover it. What can I use for that?
Tremco has a nice product called horizon
You wanna build my home in colorado? The location alone would make it a great video. I wanna do standing seam roof & siding. Simple roof like the garage you’re standing by
Have you ever used PlasterMax or StuccoMax products?
I have not
What about stucco?
Yes you can do stucco. Attach the expanded metal lath to the blocks and build out from there
Super easy, apply direct
RubRwall
Hi Aaron, is it possible if you can send me that plastic web tie? I’ll pay for it and the delivery. Will be much appreciated!
I can do that, shoot me an email to support@icfguru.com
I'm shooting for storm and fire resistance.
No wood, no vinyl, etc. I'll stick with metal, stone, brick, or cement based exteriors.