PLANTAR FASCIITIS HEEL PAIN 💥 | Neutral or Stability Running Shoes? | Brooks Ravenna 9 Testing
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- The Brooks Ravenna 9 is now in the arsenal of running shoes, my first ever Brooks running shoe. I'm grateful to now be in the position to have such a great collection of running shoes to choose from. The Brooks Ravenna 9 running shoe was purchased to test out a lightweight, stabilized running shoe. Since I am suffering from Plantar Fasciitis, I want to see if the Brooks Ravenna 9 will help with arch support, and hopefully help alleviate the pain that is happening in my left heel. Plantar Fasciitis is no joke, a very serious injury, that many runners suffer from. Share your thoughts down below as to how you are fighting back against plantar fasciitis in your heel bone area, including the types of running shoes you used during the healing process. I do hope this vlog brings you value for helping people identify a solid running shoe option in the Brooks Ravenna 9. Stay tuned on whether or not the Brooks Ravenna 9 helps with my plantar fasciitis.
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QD: Overcoming Plantar Fasciitis? What shoe do you prefer, neutral or stability? Are you suffering from another running related injury?
I don't really know yet
Worked for me: avoid running in high heel-toe-drop shoes and use barefoot shoes plenty.
Tommi Lintala right! That helped me too. I went to football grounds and ran around barefoot (which I still do now) and ran in Altra for a bit
NICE! Glad to hear the barefoot worked for you, I will try!
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#9. these are the videos that i was hoping you'd make for a long time now. and it seems like you've been growing like 100 subscribers per day! i hope you are enjoying making these. i am certainly enjoying watching them.
Hello Seth, I'm writing to you from France. I'm an old runner but I've been running with stability shoes for 30 years. My wrong foot is the right and with neutral shoes it's often a tragedy. The Ravenna 9 is one of my favorite shoes today. I saw you try the Nike Structure 22 but the sole was too hard. Try the Structure 21 : more light, more flexible and so much speed!
Why don't you meet a podiatrist. In France, for your kind of problem, it's absolutely logic.
Your videos are privileged moments every day. A real pleasure. Thank you very much.
WOW ALAIN, thank you so much for your comment and for your ideas to help my PF issues. Such an honor to have a viewer from France!
Fascinating that the Structure 21 is more flexible. I use to LOVE Nike Structures, but that was 10 years ago. Yes, a Podiatrist would be smart, I appreciate the encouragement.
Nice editing, I can tell you took your time to get all those angles, b-roll and most importantly story telling.
THANKS FOR TUNING !
Just went to the pacers store today and totally agree on getting an analysis ! They recommended the Brooks Stability shoes!! They are amazing 🙂
I'm having this issue as well. You can not be lazy on this, then it comes back. I struggled with this for 7 months. Went to a lot of doctors, got some insoles and it got better. It's not completely gone but it's manageable during training. But you really have to do your excercises. Nice channel
After 20 years of running in stability shoes, I switched to a neutral shoe for a marathon training cycle. I got through that fine, but a few months later developed plantar fasciitis. The only change in my running was the switch in shoe type. My experience and other reading I have done convinces me that that was the cause of my PF. While switching back to a stability shoe was important to prevent a recurrence, the treatment of PF was certainly stretching. Stretching the calf, Achilles, and plantar fascia were all critical in curing the problem.
This is an awesome video, and yes I suffer a lot from PF. I like you have found that the Brooks Raveena 9 is an awesome shoe and have been wearing them for 3 years now. My PF is not so much the heel but the arch area that leads to some minor discomfort in the heel. My right foot does roll inward as I did have myself filmed while running on a treadmill. My flat feet are the major cause of my issues but Brooks does save the day!!!
Thanks Rodney for watching 👍🏻
I currently wear a neutral shoe, but haven't tried stability:
I hold off PF with the following three methods:
1. Stretch the calves regularly (not just before and after running).
2. Break down scar tissue with foot massage devices.
3. Strengthen feet by regularly wiggling the toes and flexing up and down between the big toe and the four other toes.
Just subscribed, because I absolutely love your style! Filming, intro, curiosity peaked, problem solving for us, etc.
my tip for foot health curl your toes and hold few seconds and do this when ever you can during the day helps release tension in the foot and of course stretch your calves often
Thanks as always Nathalie for your encouragement and comments.
This shops consultantcy is so good.
SETH I'm still suffering with my plantar fasciitis for a year now...sad but you know I can't afford to go to such store...keep SAFE AND GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS ALWAYS!
Hi
Pf is flaring up first time ever. Had no idea why my foot is hurting at the heal. Very painful. I've gained 12 lbs from covid 19 lock down. I will work on stretching which I never ever do. I was hoping to run the added weight off now i will stretch and rest and cross train. I wonder if riding a bike will delay healing. Btw you are hilarious. You've come a long way keep up the great work by presenting great content.
Going to go to my local Road Runner Sport store. The sales associate was really nice to you Seth. She was also very cute 😉👍
Yes, took the time to teach me a lot.
I ran in the same shoes for years... no issues. Then switched & bought Niikes & got pf... lasted 4 years, 3 shots & 4 doctors. Finally a physical therapist suggested using toe stretchers & switching to zero drop altras... It worked! No pain finally. It does take a while for your feet to adjust though.
Brooks runner since 2007. I have tried others along the way and ALWAYS go back to Brooks. I initially began with the GTS, thinking I needed stability. I ran through about 5 series of them before being told I was more of a neutral runner. I went in for a thorough analysis and it turned out that I was in fact neutral. I switched over to Brooks Launch and never looked back. I like to feel the road and have shoes for both speed and distance. Ravenna didn't suit me when I tried them because I didn't pronate as much as I thought. Saucony is the only other brand I've had some success with but again, I always come back to Brooks. While I love the Launch, I think the Ghost is one of their best shoes available if you are okay with the 12mm drop. Although minimal, I fair better with the 10mm Launch. I ran in series 4, 5 and am currently still using my 6. I easily got over 300 miles in the 4 and 5. Probably closer to 400 before I knew it was time to upgrade.
Honestly, for PF, I think the shoe choice is far more overrated than just taking care of your issue by stretching, taking time off from running as-needed and simply addressing the root cause, which is not the shoe. I've had both store bought inserts and custom made orthotics. Those did help some but when I moved to a neutral shoe, I ditched them. Everyone is different but I think the one consistency with PF is treating the issue without the shoe ever being on your foot.
The Ravenna 9...... ugh I had such a love hate relationship with them. For me it’s the ghost 11 and the glycerin from brooks all day.
Why do you buy a supported shoe, if you like neutral ones? You should have gotten the Launch instead of the Ravenna in the first place.
I have PF, it is the 2nd time in 5 years and I attributed it to increasing my speed and worn-out runners. I purchased my 1st Ravenna with nice results but overall, stretching out my calves garners the best results. I tried a new stretch last week with great results. Thanks for sharing Seth, btw love your videos! Keep on.
What’s the new stretch you tried? I have PF and I don’t know how to treat it. I’ve been doing the most common calf stretches, holding them for two minutes but they seem to hurt my knees so I haven’t stretched for two days now.
Please try Ravenna 10. I've been a loyal Brooks wearer but I LOVE the new guardrails on the brooks support line. They've done away with the denser medial posts. So much gentler than previous models. Almost undetectable, mild stability.
Was just revisiting this video and noticed your post. Currently rotating the Kinvara 9 for short races and faster pace training days. Brooks Ghost 11 for longer slower runs, and the Saucony Zealot ISO 3 for in between days. When maybe I want to pick up the pace, but want more protection than I get from the Kinvara. I overpronate a bit on one foot, and my ankle is especially sore today after a 5k race in the Kinvara this morning (was already sore before the race, but it just exacerbated it). Thinking of getting a Ravenna 10 just to rotate in for a little support when I'm feeling beat up. Not sure if I need it or if the Ghost will do just fine for this, but I appreciate your comments on the Ravenna 10! Thanks.
@@KipCount I think the Ravenna will be a great recovery shoe when you feel a little beat up and need a little support. Btw, Ravenna's neutral sister is the Launch and the ghost's stability sister is the Adrenaline gts, the newest version 19 also has the new guardrails.
My most recent running injury was a metatarsal stress fracture. I got it after logging about 2000 miles in 6 months and it hit me in the middle of my hs xc season. Thankfully i did all the right things to recover and was running within 3 weeks. It still hurt but i played it smart and was able to be best in my conferance and crush it at state. Ps love the videos and enthusiastic vibes.
Brooks are underestimated in my opinion. 9!
I would agree with that assessment.
The observation I make from your treadmill running, is poor stabilisation in the hips. When the right foot is planted, the hips stay level, when on the left, you can see a visible dip to the right hip. No shoe will correct that weakness at the top, but correcting that will likely eradicate the "need" for anything with support. Cracking channel though Seth
Thanks Bryan! Working on that stability right now, watch today's vlog and you'll see me working out in the gym. Have you ever heard of the BOSU balance board? Thanks again for noticing all that with my hips, striving to get better.
@@SethJamesDeMoor bosu balance board is a great tool to help activate the hip stabilisers. Will be catching up on today's vlog later today 👌🏻 smashing it in the gym is a great way to stay injury free, most of us runners neglect it.......... I know I do
Heyy man. You should teach us how to do the things(stretching) youve done in this video. Great content man!! :)
Love the positive vibes in your videos bro. Im from north of ireland and im new to running. I have tight adductor n right leg but workn hard at it and gettn stronger. I run in the brooks ghost 10 and the peg 34 because i didnt like the heel on the 35s haha
Awesome Peter, welcome to the channel! Good to hear about your shoe experience. I've heard good reviews on the Ghost 10...another Peg 35 issue in the heel, interesting.
The rivanna 9.. Never heard. But just got fitted with brooks glycerin 18 for wide foot & for my long rides. So far very surprised. Very comfy. First Brooks ever. #canada/Québec. Great channel.
Hey Seth! Just discovered your channel and really enjoying the content! The last time I was at the running shoe store (I've also talked with my PT about this a little as well) and when it comes to collapsing arches/PF, orthotics/inserts will help more than a stability shoe. Of course, the best thing to do is specific injury prevention exercises to correct muscle imbalances, but if you're already injured, I'd recommend either some custom orthotics from a podiatrist or getting some SuperFeet inserts. They have some that are specifically made for plantar fasciitis. I've never had PF, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt :) Just thought I'd pass the info along!
Love it Kyle! Thank you for this information, I really appreciate you sharing the insights into your past experience with PF. You're healthy now?
@@SethJamesDeMoor So, I actually never had PF, but I am struggling with a Posterior Tibial Tendinitis issue right now, which is how I gained some insight into treating running issues in general from my PT :) I just got done with a training cycle, so I'm currently taking a week off and hoping injuries stay away as I get back next week!
You have come a long way. I love the use of the pop it sock it as a shoe spinner
SETH: I'm 48, 5'9", 235# (stocky with a slightly gooey center) and I've gotten into running only in the last four years. I've gradually moved "up" from the recommended budget shoes from Saucony to the Adrenaline GTS line, but now it's getting to be time to get another pair and I'm sort of torn given the options available and different information I've heard.
I'm kid of looking to lower my offset to something around 8mm, and 10mm max. I keep hearing about how these more moderate offsets are more of a sweet spot than the 12mm that comes with the Adrenaline and Ghost, or the 0mm offset in the Altra Lone Peaks that I wear for short trail runs. Yes. I go from 12mm to 0mm, but those trail runs aren't that often. Add to that the school of thought that maximum padding may not necessarily lead to as comfy of a ride because of the tactile detachment that comes along with it regarding being able to "feel" the surface.
Until I really started researching the shoes I've been wearing last night, I had no idea I was wearing a stability shoe or that it had a 12mm drop. It does seem to be wearing down the middle, though, so I believe that's a promising sign? I've been fairly happy with the Adrenaline GTS 17s, but at my age you never are without a small ache or pain here and there, so I can't necessarily say that they must be the best for me or my style of running (3-4 times a week, usually in the 5K-10K range with a tortoise-like 30-minute 5K race now and again). Add to that the fact that the latest Adrenaline added the guide rails, so I can't even say that this one will work like the last one.
This is just extraneous info to see if you have any further thoughts. My main question is why you chose the Ravenna 10 over the Adrenaline GTS 19. They appear to be roughly the same shoe only with the Ravenna having a 2mm less offset and weighing roughly 3 oz less. Is the Ravenna just a better fit?
Take care,
A.J.
PS: I've had some PF issues in the past, but I believe I mostly got rid of that by losing some pounds, maintaining my "training" and doing a LOT of walking around near barefoot. Seriously, I never wear shoes at home, and if the situation permits, I usually just wear a pair of $6 water socks or $10 five-fingers-style water socks I got from WalMart - nothing that wants to force my toes into a cone like 95% of shoes. I bought into the part of "Born to Run" dealing with atrophy of the arch structures that result from always walking around with a wedge on your heel and all the padding that comes with shoes, especially in the arch. It seems to be working well for me. It's completely counterintuitive, but the feeling seems to be that if pain is resulting from the weakness of those structures, orthotics seem to offer a slight respite from the pain but don't address the underlying problem that's causing the pain. Heck, I remember that putting shoes on often made a world of difference in the pain from PF, but I knew that wasn't actually fixing anything.
Just my thoughts and observations.
Wow! Will read later AJ. New Balance Beacon was the best for my PF.
I have an over pronation problem, but stability shoes just do not work well for me. I’ve tried every major brand of shoe out there. For whatever reason, Nike Free are my favorite running shoe, light, and comfortable. It allows my foot to work as it should and I land on my mid foot (which is ideal). Yes I do still over pronate, but I feel like it’s happening to compensate for a muscular imbalance over time. If you just change over to stability shoes, the underlying reason for your pronation isn’t solved and that can cause issues in the long run.
TLDR: don’t buy stability shoes, learn how to train and strengthen your legs using your natural stride :)
PF is due to over training/too much too soon. Stretching and foam rolling the hamstrings and calves are more important than the shoes. I have suffered from PF before when I started running 10 years ago. Was put in Asics kayanos. Way too much correction. The denser medial posts were pounding my arches. I like the new guardrails in the Brooks support line, the Brooks 10 and adrenaline gts 19. All the previous Brooks generations had denser medial posts. Guardrails offer gentler minimal stability, like bumpers on a bowling lane. Now I stretch and foam roll everyday to keep PF at bay.
Great comment Lani and I agree with what your saying here about stretching. Thanks for chiming in.
Niner! the neutral vs stability argument = it depends. That orthotic insert is where you’ll get the best bang; keep up the strengthening and stretching - but it’s about reducing inflammation; so pump the brakes on hot water baths for your feet and pump more vitamin I pills, you need to take them every 4-6 hrs consistently for a week to get to/remain at steady state for anti-inflammation; and look into plasma rich platelet injections ! w dextrose added.
I love my Brooks Revanna 9s! They work for shorter runs, 5 mils or less, for me. I carry a lot of muscle mass for a runner so that could explain why I favor Asics and Brooks over Nike and Adidas. I favor a stability shoe but am not opposed to a neutral shoe. As long as the toe box fits me I find that I do well with my plantar fascitis.
I had PF problem due to cheap old shoes and I solved it by asics gel kayano.
This is just my opinion but from experience I found that it is neither of those but it is a minimal running shoe instead, because the heel pain is only caused by heel striking. This is because all of the force is being absorbed by your joints and your heel and it hurts because the shock cannot be absorbed by your muscles if you are landing on your heel.
Hope that made sense, like your channel bro!
Damn! I had a chance to visit Road Runner Sports last year in Vegas but passed because of the punishing summer heat. I really should have gone there. The fitting tech and process look amazing and the store attendant is very helpful and professional. I really want to go to there.
I have had PF twice... both times lasted over a year. I did everything, from stretching, rolling, massage, ultra sonic treatment, dry needling, drugs, shoes, and insoles. I've spent thousands of dollars and thousands of hours working on it. Nothing helped. I noticed that (for me) loosening up the calves with a deep, hard massage and working the Achilles tendon relieved the PF. You have to REALLY work the calf muscle. Everything is connected.
To answer your question about shoes. I switched to Asics Nimbus to help with the PF. It did not do much. I wear orthotics insoles in my dress shoes, and for my running shoes when I have PF. Spenco makes decent insoles. You may want to try the ironman branded Spenco insoles
Powerstep insoles also work well to support the arch. But, like I said, massaging and loosening the calf is the most important thing to do.
THIS IS SO HELPFUL. THANK YOU!!! Yes, we're working on loosening everything up, it's time to get aggressive. Truly this comment is inspiring.
Get 10mm drop shoes. Helps no end to relieving the stress on your Achilles and PF.
More drop?? Some folks are suggesting less drop....?
What about the Straussberg sock that people are talking about? Would that help as well? Do you still suffer from PF TriGuy1978?
I bought my brooks like 1 month ago and I absolutely love them. Gave me 1 more reason to go out and run!!!
Which brooks did you get?
Omg road runner I need you in my life!!
50 year old runner with on and off PF and calf/achilles issues over the years (always left leg. hmm....). My PF follows or is related to when my calves are tight. I have done best with flexible, neutral shoes with low or zero drop (Altra Escalante really worked more me). That approach seems to help my feet get strong and rehabs the arch/calf/achilles issues.
My most recent injury ... well, I'm not sure it qualifies as an injury, but last November I was diagnosed with arthritis in my knees. I was worried it would keep me from running, but as long as I stay on top of physical therapy, I'm OK. It's been a long haul, but I just recently started adding speed work into my routine and I'm feeling pretty good.
Scott, definitely an injury. Sorry to hear about this. I can't say that I've ever heard about arthritis in the knee... What shoes are you in?
@@SethJamesDeMoor I'm in the Saucony Kinvara. It's worked out pretty well for me. I can do everything in it for the time being, though I think I'll be adding shoes to the rotation as training gets a little more serious.
Its odd sometimes. I thought that stability shoes would help me, but it has turned out that running in stability shoes actually made it worse.
After I started to run in more neutral and light weight shoes, my foot problems dissipated. (Or it might be that I started to do more trail running instead of road)...
Fleet feet and roadrunner sports both insisted that I needed a stability shoe and they ended up giving me some of the worst running injuries that I’ve suffered so far. I decided to take a stab at it and try a neutral shoe and it’s been smooth sailing!
I have PF in me left foot too. I’ve tried several shoes too and the ones that help my heel pain are New Balance Fresh Foam 1080’s, and I’ve ordered several pairs because they’re really cushy but not TOO cushy and mushy like Adidas Ultra Boost. I’m not a runner but am on my feet a lot and we have tile floors throughout our house. In the house I wear Oofos slides.
Wow, so sorry, we have the same injury though in the same foot, kindred PF sufferers! Thanks for the lead on the 1080s, very very interesting.
1080 are great for pf I have it also and found nb 1080 are the best. Just wish they would make the fresh foam in black.
I’m not a runner either but neither is my daughter however we did suffer flat feet bunions and she has severe over pronation with plantar fasciitis what shoe do you or anybody recommend for these issues to start she was using the proper brand
My plantar faciitis disappeared when I got stability shoes, New Balance 860 Freshfoam x v13. Finally I am getting into running like in my school days without fear of foot pain when training harder. Also trying out Asics GT1000. I have a high arch but the neutral shoes always gave me heel pain or plantar fasciitis. Since getting these shoes I can't wait for my runs.
Seth, I saw you doing the the towel/belt stretch while lying on your back that I recommended. The comment I have is to keep the leg that you're stretching straight at the knee.
Ok, thanks, I'll get a longer towel! THANK YOU!!
Hoka Arahi 6 saved me from too many years of Vans (severe PF). Even if my feet are sore, I can put the Arahi’s on and be pretty close to pain-free. I tried the high drop recommendations from my local running shoe store, and they instantly flared me to a 10! I limped home…barely…on a short walk. Felt great in the store, but feet were like shredded wheat after just an hour or so. When I returned them to the store, I got 3 different recommendations, from 3 separate salesmen, about zero drop vs low vs high drop. So it’s a crap shoot.
I had problems with plantar fasciitis and I blame stability shoes. Switched to Brooks Ghosts, did a lot of stretching of my calves and I no longer have issues.
Which stretches did you do?
I am a huge fan of stability running shoes. I suffered from PF and other running induced joint pains a couple of years ago, I was considering stop running, that was untill I was advised to try a pair of ASIC Kayanos. Well, it was the best running advise I ever received. The PF, the knee joints, the hip joints pains all went away, literally overnight. I now have moved on to Saucony Hurricanes, which I found as good a the Kayanos but a lot more durable.
I had PF in 2014. It was not fun. All I wore were Birkenstocks. I used yoga toe stretchers and frozen golf ball on my arches.
Seth, just found your channel. Wow! There are other people out there like me. I recently started running again after a break of , um thirty years. Yes, I am in my late 60’s. But I have rediscovered the joy of running. My PF flared up during training for a half marathon. I took a break from running, 7 weeks right now. Bought some new shoes, New Balance 940 and Brooks Addiction 14. Just did a short 5K at 5 weeks using the Brooks. Haven’t run since. Going to a podiatrist next week for some medical advice. My question is it safe to run while suffering from PF? Can I cause permanent damage to my foot? Do heel cups help with PF?
Like the different comments. May purchase some neutral shoes to try them out.
I'm binge-watching your channel now until something like GOT comes out :-D
Awesome video Seth. After a few months with these shoes, has your PF gotten better?
Best shoes ended up being the New Balance Beacon for the PF. Thanks for the comment Lawrence!
Seth James DeMoor thank you for that Seth. I will look into it. Do the Beacons also help you with pronation?
Loved this video, I’ve been looking for shoes today at the mall and didn’t find any brooks. Thanks to you I’m going to my local road runner shop. I’ve been dealing with pf for over one years and a half due to standing for 50 hours a week due to lower back pain. Any additional information would be great for exercises. I’ll make sure to check out the rest of your videos. Thank you!
Diagnosed as an overpronator, got motion control shoes with insoles for flat feet. Few months later knee injury. Worked on my running form, strengthened my feet and went to minimalistic shoes.(Altra/Merrell).
No problems and no overpronator since.
Great to hear! Another Altra fan here?!?! I need to try Altra
I find them really comfortable from the start and after 220km in the Escalante I don’t notice much wear.
Still watching the rest of the video, however, some of the best runners ever had serious overpronation and never had problems. There is a video showing extreme overpronation of halie gabresalsie (I know I murdered his name). There is a solid argument in shoes that prevent overpronation causing even more injuries.
Fascinating. I love Hailie!! He's probably my favorite runner of all time. I didn't realize he was an overpronator. I've heard this too about shoes being too stable and causing other issues.
Seth..........How about the “DAD” shoes. Believe it or not, the New Balance 990 V4 helped elevate my planter facilities pain soooooooooooooooooooooooo much! I know you’re a fast runner, so they’ll feel heavy; but a least try them for recovery runs🏃.
990 V4....? really!?!?
Seth James DeMoor Seth!!!! Yes, sir!
www.amazon.com/New-Balance-M990-Mens-990v4/dp/B07BXY8VK6
Just purchased the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 19 ... amazing comfort and stability. Shout out to my boys at Runners High in Long Beach, CA. My knee bursitis is so much better!!!!!!!!!!
DONAE WESTON PIPER JR I’ll be stopping by Runner’s High!
Hey, I'm currently dealing with my low arches, overpronation, plantar fasciitis, severe calf tightness, lower back pain, you name it. I swear by stability shoes only. These have worked for me: Asics Kayano, Adidas Supernova ST, Saucony Hurricane, Brooks Adrenaline GTS, Brooks Ravenna, New Balance Vazee Prism to name a few. After knowing that stability is best, now you have to decide what amount of cushion should be appropriate for the particular run. If I'm going for a slow 5+ miles I'll use the Supernova/Adrenaline. If it's a more fast paced shorter run I'll definitely use the Ravenna or Vazee Prism.
Thanks Raymond for the comment! Would love to hear more on your stability shoe rationale? Maybe a few reasons? I’m open to listening to new ideas. Thanks!
Do you run with 3rd party insoles? Or stock?
Raymond Rivera ~ hey Raymond - what about long runs 10m+
You can also try Nike Structure 21. I have been using it for longer runs and i love it. No pain issues...
Interesting! Someone else said the Structure 21 is a little more flexible than the 22, would you agree?
I have not tried yet the 22. But the 21 is soft and flexible enough while still providing stability.
My most recent injury related to running was last year when I pulled my hamstring during Xc season. I ended up getting better in about 5 weeks and still had a great season.👍🏻👍🏻
Micah Gilpatric I’m glad it all worked out Micah! Did you run XC this year?
Seth James DeMoore yes I have had a great cross country season this year. Thanks for asking. New year=new pr’s
Managed to move up to top 10 in the state.
Congrats!! Keep trucking
The only shoes that really worked for running with PF were Brooks Launch 2. Shoes I’ve tried that don’t work: Hoka Clifton 5 (very narrow and insole cuts into foot when it collapses in as you step), brooks launch 5 had too extreme of a drop that it gave me shin splints, Brooks GTS series are very rigid to the point it feels like someone is hitting the bottom of your foot with one big rock. The search resumes...thanks for sharing your experience here.
No problem Tonga I hope you find a solution soon. Keep me posted
@@SethJamesDeMoor Update: From now on, I will always visit a running store when selecting shoes. I finally visited one for the first time in my life and it was the best decision I've ever made with selecting shoes. I would have avoided many of my issues had I gone earlier. They were true professionals; the lady watched me walk and asked if I had ever injured my IT band (I did 5 years ago). She knew exactly what I needed she brought out the latest Brooks Ghost and Brooks Launch 6. My feet seemed most stable in the Launch 6 and I am very happy. To the rest my fellow PF sufferers, visit a reputable running store its way worth it. The prices really are close to what you find in other stores and online. But you cant beat the expertise the reputable running stores have.
Wow I didn’t recognise you at first compared to your new videos. I overpronate on my right foot but I wear neutral shoes because I don’t like the unnatural feeling they give.
I had PF when I tried bare foot running for a few km. I felt like walking on glass every morning when I stepped out of bed. I did a lot of rolling with a ball underfoot and just gave it time and it went away.
I HATE WHEN YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM TO BRING OUT THE SHOE. I never get the right shoe and feel pressured to buy.
I bought adrenalins,19 and I never run. They are the best running shoes I ever had however.
The shoes you bought is not listed for PF on brooks website :)
Its Adrenaline GTS for stability with some flex or Addiction for stability but more rigid.
Or Ghost for neutral with some flex or Dyad for neutral but more rigid.
Thats nice u well find right size amd most important comfortable.
I wear a size 14 on my planks. My feet are as flat as they come. I’ve seen the rolling up the towel with your feet as a help. I’ve used the Brooks Beast as a stability shoe. Not really sure it works - they sure are heavy. I think your grandma is wise - take care of your feet. Yours definitely take a pounding.
SIZE 14!!!!!
A person has to wonder if (1) Supporting the foot against pronation doesn't contribute to it becoming even weaker at the point of weakness (2) Whether running barefoot through something like sand where the foot has to actually grab would strengthen the arch.
I've always been put instability shoes following in store gait analysis and fit advice. But..I've also had most running related injuries too. Why am I getting injuries if I'm the 'correct' store fitted shoes? I thought the point of all the 'process' was to put you in shoes to stop you from picking up injuries...confused.
PF is a terrible condition. Had it in one foot, then the other. The thing is to experiment with different techniques, stretches, soaking, orthotics, you get the point, and try and determine what seems to be working for you. It's a tricky injury because at times you may feel anything you try is not working. But from my experience what helped me get rid of it is the good feet 3 system orthotics, the staussburg night sock, and slowly transition into a minimalist shoe at times to strengthen the arch, foot. I've tried just about everything, but the foot will heal eventually when its ready.
I’m suffering from PF again. I under pronate and just bought Ghost 12.
The heel pain is really bad at times and I’m hoping these shoes help.
How is it now?
9 -- Qd: I've not ever had PF. And actually, I haven't been really hurt for quite a while :). I had some tendinitis in my right foot a couple years ago that required some time off & different shoes.
In my opinion, I think dealing and healing PF has little to do with the shoes. It certainly doesn’t help if you are wearing shoes that aren’t really working with your body, but I can see an argument for having a stability and a highly cushioned neutral shoe maybe lean moreover to the highly cushioned shoe. I think that is just based on what works for you. Something that helped me when I had PF was really rolling out my calf muscles. For me, PF was mostly because my calves were super tight and once I put a lacrosse ball to them before and after a run, PF was reduced by a lot and I didn’t really have too many problems after that.
+1 to Triguy1978s comment
BRUCE, this is the second comment in the thread today that talks about loosening or rolling out one's calf muscles. Trends for cures to PF means something! I'm excited that you found this to help with the lacrosse ball. Stay tuned!
here's a few ideas for plantar foot
Try to rest your feet
Consider Wearing supportive footwear
Use ice on your heel
Try ibuprofen or another nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug to lessen pain and inflammation
try night splints
Do stretching and strengthening exercises.
(I discovered these and why they work on Rohon foot care site )
I tried running in minimalist shoe with my PF and got destroyed after a 5 mile run. minimalist is good to strengthen only when healthy
Bro that’s asking for a death sentence lol. You have to ease into the new minimalist shoe by walking and progressing slowly
Hi,I have collspsed arches ,I have always pain,in arch,ankles,knees,even n using suport or stability,shoes, I light weight and land in toes,I wear ravenna 8 and were perfect.no pain .
I made a test in saucony and the recomendation were freedom ISO 2.,a neutral shoe.
Im not sure buying the ravenna 10 or try de sauconys
I have only had PF once - but to fix it I got flexible custom orthotics. Eventfully it went away - now I use the Custom Orthotics and a neutral shoe - no problem. That said my other injury has been Achilles and cal related to Zero Drop - so I am moving to neutral shoes that have modest frop like 4mm to 8mm.
Good inte here, thank you. Talking about my PF in tomorrow’s vlog, stay tuned.
By two pairs of brooks, one stability and a neutral pair. Then use the stability on3 for the foot you need and neutral for the one that doesn't need it.
Lol definitely would not do this
Brooks Ravenna is one of the worst shoe I’ve ever purchased. My joints were hurting as the shoe provides absolutely zero cushioning, heavy in weight and flexibility problems! I replaced them for Brook Glycerine 16 which are completely different in terms of comfiness and support. I do not recommend Brooks Ravenna for any runner!
You should try Knesiotape or maybe Acupuncture. My last injury was Achilles tendonite.
Sorry about that. Is your achilles good now?
Seth James DeMoor I do not feel any more pain, but I'm afraid of accelerating the pace (usually interval training hurts me). Hey, can I ask you a little help? .... I'm changing my job and I'm having a hard time organizing my tasks, so I end up having to work longer. The consequence is that I have less time to train, so could you please make a video showing how you orgnize your daily routine (including running)?
My Favorite Atheletic Shoe Store:
Road Runners Sports
9, new shoe hype :o
Just watching this now... I’ve run in neutral shoes my entire running and racing career. Unfortunately I’ve been out of commission for almost three months now with some post tib issues... but just picked up a pair of adrenalines... thinking that maybe I’m just getting old and need some extra support
The thing that helped me the most while I had planter was stretching during the day. Not just before I ran or before I went for a walk, but while school, and work. Anytime I was able to stretch, I would stretch for about 10 seconds. The best stretch is simply touching your toes. Hope your feet start to feel better!
The shoes that helped me the most were brooks, but the Nike Pegasus also are great. Stay away from Nike free run, I believe that those shoes played a big factor in my development of PF.
First clicked that bell icon
Gotta watch it later tho😥
Thx! It will be here!
I bought my first Brooks with guidelines. Super for my feet.
I use that red ball from the beginning of the vid and it works really well!!!
Daniel Shepard great to know Daniel! Do you have PF?
I do not thankfully
get off the hills until youre feeeling better my tips hill makes your calves tight and put pressure on the foot also so until PF gets better PF is a pain in a butt to get rite of lol good luck with the new shoes I think that stability might help until you feel better ps careful by switching heel drop between shoes as it puts pressure on fascia
I tore my right calf during a 1 mile speed run. I was wearing Brooks Adrenalines. I got fitted for stability shoes. But am curious if I’d have better luck with neutrals
I never had any planter issues or foot issues for that matter until I started running in a Hoka shoe.
I personally don’t like stability shoes because they gave me pretty bad shin splints. But ever since I switched to the Nike Pegasus 35 I have not had any problems.
GREAT NEWS! Glad you're pain free.
The only thing that cured my PF is a special boot worn to bed that pulls up the toes and keeps the foot flexed. Now if I feel even a hint of heel pain, on comes tbe boot. It is tne only thing tbat helped me.
Thanks for sharing such a nice sort of information. To be honest, I am using Skechers Ultra go run. Unfortunately, They stopped the production. So would you guide which pair of shoe would give me the same comfort? I tried Saucony, Asics, but did not get the same cushioning. As a runner would please advice which pair of a shoe should I buy.
I run in a Ravenna and I absolutely love them
Get the Asics Gel DS Trainer 23 and Tartherzeal 6. Both are really light and have 10mm drop so take a lot of strain off your Achilles (and hence PF) and both are 'stability'.
I feel Heel drop is the most important.
Brooks Ravena 9 nice but bit stiff when landing, so what size preference you bought??
Barefoot running is the solution
Not cushioning nor anything else
What a great store!
I hyper-extended my right pinky finger when it got caught in my shorts pocket while running 6 months ago. I think I probably did some minor ligament damage but I try not to run in shorts with pockets anymore. Lesson learned.
Wow! I'm amazed how hi-tec it is measuring your feet in the shoe store. Never seen anything like this in the UK.
When i had PF what worked for me was a)taping my foot for running b)running on grass C) icing it after running and d)cutting down my mileage