only problem with this, having people have to unlock new features would be the worst possible thing to do. all things should be accessible from the start.
@@legacyeazero3651idk man, unlocking things in MM1 was pretty fun, you got a new item per day. But yeah i understand that its not the point of the game
I really think that Nintendo should allow custom messages for the NPCs. They're an important part of the immersion in the levels that make them feel unique and lived in. Also the Switch has a filter that prevents the use of bad words. It doesn't let you confirm the message if it detects a bad word, so it would be fine.
@@paulakroy2635 What do you mean, it's not enough ? You literally can't use actual bad words. The only alternative is either censoring or using a less vulgar alternative. And don't worry, Nintendo makes sure you can't use them at all. For example there was this situation in Pokémon Scarlet/Violet a few months ago where you couldn't name Pecharunt "Dokutaro" (his file name), because it has "kut" in it, which is Dutch for "p*ssy" It's Nintendo, they're very cautious with this kind of stuff. They pay attention to their family friendly image a lot. Some could say even too much. Their anti bad word system is sound, I'm sure.
yeah we probably won't have a Roblox issue with Nintendo, and even if they find a new way to swear, the level could easily get taken down and the word bypass could just be completely blocked.
@@Oceane1803 Yeah, like just make an experimental phase, get feedback, and censor what needs to be censored, unlike that one time I was playing a restaurant game where you kill the owner and become the owner, where someone just somehow directly said the N word. Nintendo's gonna know. They have better moderation LOL Not like there's gonna be live chat filtering
I feel like in most user created levels would be horribly designed the camera would be jank and lead to a lot of blind jumps and it would have tones of soft lock points
@@blockwearingman 3d Mario games have always suffered from poor cameras, Mario odyssey uses box colliders to move the camera around when in small areas. This could implemented all this into a level builder but it will be pretty complex for children and giving users control over the camera could lead to some horrific levels. Every time Mario walks into a small area of room the camera would need to either faze through the wall up close to Mario or make the wall invisible or make Mario visible behind the wall. None of these options are ideal. I could imagine a troll level where you travel through a small room and get attacked by things you cannot see.
As a modder of both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 3D World, I do think 3D is still impossible even with the ideas you mentioned. At most I can somewhat see a Mario 64 version but no more then that, the other games have way to much detail in the 3D models and there are so many things that just wouldn’t work. Using blocks could only go so far, and how would you make planets that didn’t aren’t just extremely blocky, or yet how would materials work? Or even Gravity work? You know how complicated gravity is to set up?!Every “bean” in the Galaxy games have 3 different extremely precise Gravity areas, and even if Nintendo made say a BeanGravityArea, all the beans would just look the same as they can’t be modelled out to be unique. Not to mention all the other issues not related to models. How would launch star paths work? Just setting them up in SMG is a pain and getting Bézier curves to do what the player wants would be really tricky, and not to mention, the game would have to have ViewGroupAreas made by the game which is also pretty impossible to do sadly. Even the most basic things, such as adding a Boss Fight, would be a nightmare. How would Meowser even work? If he used the 3D World version, you would need a huge tower and it would just feel like the original game, if they turned the Mario Maker 2 variant into 3D and used that, it would literally be the most depressing boss fight ever as it would just stay there. Mario Maker and Mario Maker 2 are already very limited as making an editor that people who never have done level design before would be hella hard, and locking it into 2D makes that concept so much easier. If people really want a Mario Maker 3D, just use Mario Builder 64, or better yet , actually mod the game, it’s more fun that way instead of wanting a Mario Maker 3D which if somehow ever got made it would be horrid and all we would have a million flip-panel and beat block levels with grass blocks.
Yeah, you could do a super basic version but it would be missing *a lot*. I mean, SMM is already missing a bunch of features, but at least all the fundamentals are there.
I’m glad someone finally covers the editor because in most clickbait Mario Maker 3D trailers the player literally just drags a 3d object onscreen and it’s somehow right where they want it
Is not being able to switch to 3D world in the middle of building your level really the worst thing about Mario Maker 2? I don't know about everyone else, but before I even start building a level I generally have a general idea of what I want the level to be like which will generally determine which game mode it will be from the very beginning.
@@Eternalwarpuppy Yeah, but 3D world doesn’t really have much differences that can’t be implemented in other modes to feel like having it separate really adds anything. Especially since it’s the only game style that’s in a special category. Hopefully if there is a MM 3D 3D World would be upgraded to a 3D style with 64, Odyssey, and possibly Galaxy. I would think they’d be in a separate category considering that a level being 3D should be decided from the start instead of switching halfway through.
Tbh, I'd wish the other themes had more unique stuff for themselves just like the 3D World style. They're unique as they are, but still feel somewhat samey.
disagreed, although, most of the SMM2 levels I designed were just a bunch of spikes and coins placed randomly in the SMB3 style so I can't really say much
course elements being in themes they don't belong in was part of mario maker 1's charm imo, making it different for one specific theme in mario maker 2 was... certainly a choice 3d world is the only theme with fire bros, but is also missing stuff like tracks, normal spikes, shelmets, or even stacking enemies (which was introduced in 3D LAND btw)
something important you missed about controlling mario is its not just about tricks like wall jumping, but general physics and reactions, like how he responds to turning or collisions, minute responses like these are different for each game and will mess with expectations in how mario is supposed to move mario maker makes every style control like new u, which i think is fine for 2d where the number of possible movements is significantly lower, and new u has a more polished physics system than the others, which are much older games with rougher controls although mario 64 is and old game with rough physics, its so well known that people will be caught off guard if it controls like odyssey, and vis versa odyssey would not feel smooth with 64s controls each game was designed for their own sake and not with a homogenised multi-game engine in mind
@@cube2fox But Mario still controls differently than he does in the original games. The physics aren't 1:1 the same across game styles, but they're more similar.
0:02 They’re not really haters. They just think it would be less easy to use than the 2D Version. It’s not impossible but it’s just too complicated. People wouldn’t know how to make 3D levels because they are so used to designing 2D levels.
So? When Mario Maker 1 came out, people didn't know how to make 2D levels, and NOW look at what people are doing. It would just be Mario Maker 1 all over again.
@@torterratortellini6641to put it simply, if these people can figure out minecraft, they sure as he'll can figure out a dumbed down version of it (this)
I think for the text it should be like Dark Souls / Elden Ring where you have phrases and words to mix and match messages such as: "Beware, X is below" and X can be "Bottomless Pit", "Enemy", or "Treasure" for instance
UA-cam introduced me to this channel by downloading this video to my phone - and it rocks. New subscriber gained, I look forward to what you put out next!
You'd only really need one style for a 3D game. The different 2D styles all represented advancements in the game engine, from 8 bit, (SMB) to expanded 8 bit (SMB3) to 16 bit (SMW) to 64 bit (NSMBU), and 3DW being a conversion of an original 3D game. So the graphics (sprites, etc.) and sound effects were vastly different from game to game. With the 3D games, from Sunshine up, it's all 64 bit, and the same basic graphics; it's just the objects (backgrounds, items, etc.) that are different. So you could have one style, and just choose which items to represent whichever game. Like you could make either flat groumd, or the little worldlets for the Galaxys, the different scenes of Odyssey, etc. the Fludd pack or other specific powerups. Havng one style with all those selections would probably take up less data space than separate styles. The only 3D game with different graphics is 64, which was the early polygon graphics, and with this new 64 Builder out now, we already have that.
what are you even talking about? there is *nothing* shared between SMB and SMB3, or 3 and World, or World and NSMB. the physics are radically different in some very fundamental ways, and it shows in SMM because the edge cases are just plain wrong.
@@keiyakins I don't get what _you're_ talking about. I didn't say there was anything shared between those 2D games you mentioned; I quite to the contrary said how they're completely different game engines that look totally different, while 3D games (with the exception of Mario64) had similar looking graphics.
They’ve already made a 3D game creator with Game Builder Garage. I think what’s seen in the video is a very Mario Maker style thing to do, and is a simplified fun experience. Game Builder Garage is a lot harder to get into, and the way boxes layer over each other in the X and Y axis can make it harder to make it harder to see.
I can see an editor working, but allowing players to change styles is a different beast entirely. The mechanical differences in 3D Mario games makes the differences in 2D Mario games laughably minor - spin and wall jumps, seriously? Even the 3D World style was still mostly a 2D game control-wise. If I were to guess, the game would have a set 3D style, controlling and looking similarly to Bowser's Fury, with power-ups and features "borrowed" from the different games, but still designed around those set 3D controls.
"The mechanical differences in 3D Mario games makes the differences in 2D Mario games laughably minor - spin and wall jumps" what differences? the only ones I've played are Super Mario Galaxy and a teeny tiny bit of Super Mario Odyssey and I've watched Super Mario 64 (and played a bit with an emulator because I got the controller a while ago) and I think they basically are all the same, and would totally compare spin and wall jumps to the changes
I don't see editing in 3d be hard. I see it being pretty hard to render compared to 2d Mario Maker. 2d Mario Maker already downgraded a lot of sprites, and NSMBU completely got spritified.
5:24 Personally, I think something even better than this would be to expand the Super Worlds concept to have chapter selects for levels if you choose, but win conditions per-level could be a variety of things just like regular Mario Maker 2, such as collecting all coins, defeating all of a certain enemy, getting all the moons/stars, getting a certain AMOUNT of moons/stars out of a total, and more.
@@Celestewashere08 3D Mario maker means they will lose sales on the real 3D Mario game for Switch. Also Super Mario Maker 2 didn't sell as well as Nintendo was hoping.
1. The level edit should use isometric grade. 2. The stages SHOULD be platarfom based like 3D Mario land/World This Will be better than a openword 64 style game
i think it would be a great idea to add a "advanced building mode" for pro builders where you could import 3D models and add custom scripts and music to your level, and there could be some pre-made scripts so there will be lots of amazing levels.
This video reminded of when i had an idea to make a mariokart maker. Basically you make the design of the map by drawing it out like a minimap. After finishing the map u can go in and just move some parts of the road up and down to make it 3d and also replace some parts of the map with premade assets such as a booster with a mushroom pad. Then like how the 3d mario maker works in this video you can add objects around the map. Sorry if this doesnt make sense (i wrote this while pulling an all nighter)
Its the switching between styles for me. If this were to work it would have to be like switching between NSMBU and 3D World where everything resets. You can't switch between Sunshine and Odyssey because they have very different mechanics.
You forget the Most important reason for why it probably will never happen. Do you know how profitable 3D Mario Games are & how much a 3D Mario Maker risks cutting those profits if it ever happened. 2D Mario was at a temporary dead end when Mario Maker was released & it took a decade for Nintendo to come up with Wonder after the New Series Games ended. I see Kaze being hired to make a New Super Mario 64 game by Nintendo as more likely than a full 3D Mario Maker.
Dude MM2 underperformed according to Nintendo, that's why they killed it after a while. Believe it or not, but people are more likely to buy a new, quality, original Mario game rather than a level builder of inconsistent levels and samey visuals. It worked with 2D Mario just fine, don't see why a 3D one would be any different.
I think they’ll be fine if they just add Mario 64 and just focus on adding more items and enemies to the 2D. This way they can still market it as 3D without much risk
Ok, speaking for us, the "haters" of a Mario Maker 3D. Since saying why it's not a good idea doesn't convince you guys, I'm going to give some examples. (And if you don't think I know what I'm talking about, I have played all 2D and 3D Mario's, a lot of Mario 64 and Mario World hack roms and probably more Mario Maker than you) Imagine trying to find a hidden block in a random place of the map with a key in a 3D level, imagine fighting a hundred random enemies in a 3D level, imagine a really big maze in a 3D level, imagine water levels in 3D, imagine just how BAD the camera would be in a 3D Mario Maker, imagine doing a "no skip" run on the endless mode and having to play a really bad level in which you have to find not just a flagpole, but seven different horribly made stars, imagine trying to make a level and not being able to draw it with the touch screen, imagine not having a time-limit and letting people create infinitely long and infinitely boring courses, imagine the limitations and simplifications Nintendo would have to include to make it accessible, for it not to be a bug-fest and for the game to not take seven years of development, (and for the game to run without burning your switch 2 tbh). These are just a few examples. If half of the Mario Maker 1 and 2 courses are bad, in a 3D game it would be more like 85 percent, and the ones that are good would be worse than the good 2D Mario Maker courses, because they would be a lot more repetitive, sometimes "more" is less. There are a LOT of platformers about making your own courses in 2D, there are really few 3D ones, there is a reason for that. And for god's sake, don't compare kids making levels with them playing Minecraft, as if playing a survival and making a house is as hard as game design.
Have you considered that all of those negatives you've mentioned already exist in 2D, And it hasnt affected anyone's overwhelmingly positive view on mario maker? And the video compared the EASE of making levels in 3D to building in minecraft, no one said kids are automatically geniuses at level design, but as i said, that's a thing in 2D already! the argument "childrens' creations will become so much worse than they already are in 2D makes no sense.
@@SawBSketch Yes, I did consider it, and my point stands. It is true that SOME of the points also apply in 2D, but the would be magnified by a thousand in 3D. For example, if you hide a key in a small space in 2D you have, let's say, 10 places where you can jump to find it, in 3D there would be 100 places without making the space any bigger. I could talk about other points, but you can read again my comment if you want. And like I said before, SOME of the points also don't apply. The camera, the difficulty to make levels or the limitations it would need to establish to make it run in the first place are still valid points (and there are more but I don't want to list everything again). Also, with the Minecraft point you make I agree, it is dumb to criticize what he said about Minecraft. But it is also dumb to make the Minecraft point in the first place, so I don't care.
@@elpozolero777 Yea IDK I could see it working out but I definitely get why you'd be skeptical, not to mention it'd be a gigantic project to tackle for Nintendo just balancing the thing and making it accessible on its own
@@zoinksscoob5077 I mean, I get that the idea of a 3D Maker sounds really cool, but I think is really difficult to do. I don't think it's impossible, but just trying to think of how it would work probably would be at least some years of development without actually making much. Maker 1 was made almost by accident as a consequence of NSMB becoming so stale. It was a really safe bet, but I just think a 3D one probably won't even be worth it to do for Nintendo (even tho it would be cool)
One thing that is interesting to consider is the camera for 3d in editing being different from the camera in game, for the 2d Mario maker games it’s very easy to look at how the level will look while you’re making it because you look at it from the same angle, but for 3d it’s a lot harder to get an idea how the level will actually be like when you’re playing in the middle of making it, you mentioned the comparison to Minecraft and in that game you create with the same controls you play with which I’d say probably adds to its ease of use.
0:58 so I am a kid and ive been making levels in mb64 and yea honestly it was easier for me to make good 3d levels then 2d levels mainly thanks to stars
By far the biggest reason Nintendo wouldn't make this is that people could make levels that rival the ones Nintendo would make. This would cause less sales in future Mario games
I have a few very niche issues, but mainly just the way the camera and placement works in what you described, but other than that good job at laying out a foundation for it(I already was on board but still useful to have a pre-existing idea)
I'd like a super mario galaxy maker cuz with only one theme u dont have to worry of some features and u can even add another type of editor 4 certain blocks or enemies like in fall guys creative mode. There could be 8 types of items: planets, platforms, gizoms, power ups, enemies, barriers, decorations, starting point/star/checkpoints
Adding on to this is that the original release trailer for the Mario Builder 64 ROM Hack got taken down by Nintendo (the hack itself is still available luckily), and it's become a bit of a meme where if Nintendo takes down a fan project they might be making something similar (It was about 2 years between the takedown of AM2R and the release of the official Metroid II remake on 3DS and about 4-5 years between the takedown of the original version of SMBX and the release of Super Mario Maker 1). This honestly gives me a bit of hope that Nintendo might be planning a 3D Super Mario Maker 3 for the Switch successor console.
It'd be really cool if you had a Mario Maker 3D that had both 2D and 3D options and styles (especially if you had some levels that would allow you to swap styles mid-level so I can understand if Nintendo would struggle with that to the point of not wanting it to make the game's price higher than it already is going to be) Either way I love the idea
I think a cool feature would be if you could spawn in a player at your cursor to test sections without needing to play the level proper, so you can test areas before you finish
0:19 hard??? There are editors in many 3D games such as Forza Horizon 5 or GTA 5. As a person who doesn't really has much to do with Mario games but rather doing custom races or challenges in games like Forza Horizon 5 or GTA 5 I can say it is really easy once you get the hang of it. Aka yes I'm on your side. It would be possible and it would really work.
I feel like people are forgetting that map editors in games used to be super common. When I was 10 I was making skate parks in THPS2 and a few years after that I was making maps in Timesplitters 2. These tools used to be COMMON. Now they don't exist like, anywhere and people assume the young audience just couldn't figure it out, but they'd be wrong.
I don’t think it’s possible (sadly) because most of the 3D games are too recent and unique (compared to the 2D games). Nintendo likes $$$, and they’d make more bread by keeping the 3D games independent. This forces to people to buy more of their games. You can see this is in practice by how Nintendo designed the 3D World game-mode as 2D. The two are completely different, incentivising customers to by both Mario Maker 2 and 3D World.
I think the styles are really the biggest problem because while Nintendo could make new assets for games that don't have those things the mechanics of some games are very different, like Mario Odyssey and 3D World. There might even be a lot of issues for 64 and Galaxy or something like that. Sunshine probably wouldn't work at all. Aside from that I really like the ideas.
I think for 64land, entities and blocks could be on a lattice to streamline everything, but you could also have platforms and props that can be rotated, scaled and placed freely, like little islands for that special 3d platformer feel. But Blockland levels could be bound to the lattice completely in exchange for more professional and fancy looking levels and fancy mechanics similar to mm2 making use of Mario Land levels as more advanced than basic new smb levels.
Dude... you're asking programmers to code multiple 3D Mario games in one just for little Timmy to spam thwomps. Honestly, the only way I can think of Nintendo doing a 3D Maker is limitating the tools and making it a separate menu for it, like what they did for the Super Worlds. Maybe you can make a 3D HUB where you can enter 2D levels. The Mario 64 builder is an amazing romhack, but it is niche. What you see is people already in the community making levels for people into romhacks. It is like comparing Lunar Magic to Mario Maker. Both serve the same purpose, but the audience is completely differente thus, quality and quantity change dramatically.
great video ontop of including the creation of the level you made .. my only concern is how they would get the level to maintain the same when switching through the other styles of the games provided like MM2, hopefully they don't go with the "this style will erase everything" approach.
Its kinda true, but i feel like a Mario Maker 3D will never happen since they can just recreate 3D Games level and Nintendo will lose money, they can already do it in SMM but it's 2D and Nintendo knows 2D is kinda bad nowadays
There's an algorithm ( more a technique than an algorithm ), called sine wave function collapse, in a nutshell let's say you placed a water block surrounded by ground, the algorithm automatically will pick a model based on the situation, for instance you can have a grassy theme and water connects in a small shore, but then you have a jungle theme and it connects through mud, kinda like Minecraft fences but much more complex, you only need to worry about placing the base layer, all the flare and models to make it look right are picked automatically, paired with simple grid-snapped props like bushes, fences or ramps, ans you get yourself a very robust system to make levels, in fact Dota 2 editor used this exact technique to make higher up places have more decor, not to mention Super Mario 3D world is very blocky if you think about it.
I love how most people’s complaints about this is basically *think of the children* 😢 when literally the most popular games in Gen Z to Gen alpha have some form of building mechanics (Minecraft and Fortnite I mean)
I don’t think Mario oddysey would work simply cause everything is to round and it would look weird if everything was square. A game like Mario 3D world however could work as it is more blocky and cartoony.
Honestly, I could see it working. Nintendo would have to handle it delicately and ensure that the 2D editor still works. Nonetheless, I have seen Mario Builder 64 before and have wanted to get my hands on it myself. It looks fun!
i loved mario maker when i first played the 1st because i could play it on my ds and play it anywhere. that made me happy. in mario maker 2 i loved it because i thought it was cool seeing all of the new features but with sprites for the OG mario game ( Super Mario Bros. )
This Is A Really Cool Idea But I'd Rather It Be A Mode Instead Of The Full Game Maybe Make 3D World And 3 More 3D Styles So We Can Have 2D: SMB, SMB3, SMW, NSMBU 3D: SM3DW, SM64, SMG, SMO (Those Are The Themes I'd Put)
Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts had vehicle creation, Little Big Planet had straight up game creation (A platformer game? No, a platform FOR games) so honestly, not that surprised that a Mario Maker 3D could potentially work.
It's a lovely playground of a level, but to people trying that stage for the first time, there could be a clear path to follow for collecting red coins & more lenient timing on some of the challenges (avg player just barely clears on 1st attempt, as opposed to someone with knowledge on how to clear just barely makes it).
i get that its possible but its probably a little complicated for nintendo's target demographic, would take longer because there is a third dimension and basically any way to simplify the building would just make it really limiting. the only thing i can see it working is if it was something closer to old fortnite creative where there are plenty of simple options for the less advanced players but many more complicated tools to make better stuff for the more experienced players. also, themes arent just a hurdle because of the objects, the way bigger issue is the physics. they basically have to redo most physics engines entirely to make it meet modern standards while not being identical to the other styles. also, the resetting between styles is basically guaranteed as almost every 3d mario game has drastically different artsyles and enemies and making all those 3d models just takes up even more time, unlike in the previous games where there was only those for nsmbu which already mostly existed and those for 3d world which was seperate and didnt have to carry over between themes anyway TL;DR just too much work and time for nintendo to even consider making
ive been hoping for a 3D mario maker for so long, it would be so awesome to have. I hope Nintendo makes it happen some day, judging by the releases I'd expect something after the next console release, whenever that happens. (not another switch re-release, a whole new console)
3D world not sharing parts isn't a flaw. It has its own rules, its own blocks and mechanics that the others dont have. Rather than have the styles limit each other its best they have something that sets them apart from other styles. Its the LITTERAL OPPOSITE of rigid and stale.
I wish there was no limit to how much of something you could place but rather a warning showing that too many of that thing could lag your game and once the world was created when ignored it leaves a warning depicting how laggy the world is
Nintendo will definitely want the touch screen of the tablet to be utilized. I don't know any self-respecting person who uses the button controls to make levels. All of the normal people use the touch screen to do it because it is easier.
I wholeheartedly agree. A 2D MM3 wouldn't generate sustainable excitement. People would love the 2d Wonder mode for a few months and then that'd be it. 3D would give years of discoverable tech
I think most levels will not be as good as these games, if they even would be good It's harder to make 3d levels in general and there will be restrictions on levels
Honestly I still prefer Mario maker 3 is 2d because since the maker mode isn’t 2d you can’t draw blocks with your finger you just place on block at a time like Minecraft and that would make level making very boring and time consuming I would rather 2d level making and Mario makes 3 is too early for this Nintendo has to master 2d Mario maker before moving on to 3d
@@TheYoshiChannel-7 Nintendo did master 2D Mario maker and tfym you can't draw in 3D it's perfectly possible, heck, I've seen it done before and there is 0 issue
@@ignestr Why are you guys getting so heated I’m stating my opinion you don’t have to agree I just think drawing blocks wouldn’t be implemented or would just be clunky you don’t HAVE to agree with me
Why did you abandon the blue toad saga? You could make a big finale using my levels! My levels aren’t known for their difficulty, so the video could be called “15 easy boss ideas in Mario maker 2” Boss 1 (V8V-X3S-QLG) Mario drops into a hole, and comes face to face with the hungry mega radish! Mario has to make it past an icicle trap, a spike pit, a fire bar and a pair of lava bubbles to escape this uno-reverse edible. Boss 2 (XM3-B5R-K8G) blue toad comes face to face with bombrute! In this easy encounter, blueberry flavored Mario only needs one bob-omb to defeat this menace. Boss 3 (RLJ-0CT-CCG) link enters heavyweight island to fight dracomorton! Link has to nab both of the delicious pink coins with his bow to escape this encounter. Boss 4 (KMV-0FX-FDF) link’s dragon battles don’t end yet! The red dragon appears, and immediately begins breathing parabeetle fire! Three slashes to the inside of the mouth defeats this crimson creature. Boss 5 (WS6-QMV-0QG) toadette the inventor uses her boss detector (B.D.) that she invented to find boom boom’s mech! This boss has three phases, and during the first one, pink Mario must dodge cannonball rain while toasting boom boom. The mech’s exoskeleton breaks off for the 2nd round, and munches on a Zappa laser. The mech then swallows toadette, and she must use superballs and dodge homing missiles to destroy it from the inside. Boss 6 (MG7-6NR-3VG) captain fire bro is wreaking havoc with his tank, and Mario must stop him. Red Luigi equips a cannon of his own, destroys captain fire bro and his crew, and blows up the tank so that area is at peace. Boss 7 (LFS-69S-SQG) the B.D. Leads toadette to a seemingly empty underwater cave… but after looking around, she encounters omega obsidios! This boss is armed with a Zappa mechakoopa and three Ludwigs. By defeating the main Ludwig, she bests this bullet heck and leaves this dreadful cave. Boss 8 (9QW-V0T-KYF) ghost boom boom shows up to haunt Mario! The cherry flavored plumber has to wait for a muncher to crush the goomba that holds the exit key while avoiding cannonballs and bulls-eye bills. After outlasting the spectral fiend, he leaves ghost boom boom to rest. Boss 9 (YVL-Y7F-VSF) Jeff’s evil twin brother, Jonathan, challenges blue toad to a duel! Our mushroom-headed pal teams up with Monty mole to take down the fiend. As Jonathan turns the hard block wall into enemies and items, blue toad has to hit switches and guide Monty mole to bomb the evil wizard and win the duel. Boss 10 (PDP-YFC-V5G) Monty mole has another mission for blue toad, this time he has to conquer the mechakoopa clan! The leader’s right hand man, Lemmy, blocks the way. After that fight, he faces the leader of the clan! Armed with missiles and lasers, blue toad has to outlast the mechanical menace until Monty and wiggler drop munchers onto the leader and finish the mission. Boss 11 (984-GNJ-8MG) a ghost known as the skin ripper has always wondered what’s underneath living skin, and for years has been dying to find out the hard way… the skin ripper has possessed the rotting corpse of boom boom and is ready to cut off toadette’s skin… toadette only has a limited amount of fire flowers and has to avoid danger discs to defeat this possessed corpse with her skin still intact. Boss 12 (3RH-CV1-H7G) plantora the carnivorous plant approaches link! To win, link has to slash the chain chomp arms. After a long and strenuous battle, the terrifying triffid is defeated, and link can move on. Boss 13 (5BS-R67-6NF) Mario enters the cold lair of snowy the evil snowman! Mario must once again outlast the enemy while avoiding cannonballs and unchained chomps on tracks. After snowy melts away, Mario can go and warm up. Boss 14 (KB5-YH4-4FF) Mario chose too warm of a place to warm up, and Morton’s mech known as big smoke is looking for more than just a number 9 large! Mario goes into a fire Koopa clown car and smites this boss. Boss 15 (M58-GQR-GVF) blue toad finds a portal to the spirit world, and he will be the one who saves Luigi. Wendy o doom guards the gates to the soul extraction room, and won’t let blue toad pass! A boo in a clown car patrols the area, and after Wendy o doom is defeated, the soul sucker appears! The soul sucker absorbs Jonathan and Roy and uses their powers to destroy the blue pest. After hitting the on-off switch enough times, blue toad is granted with the star’s blessing, and frees Luigi and all the lost souls once and for all!
What will be the best part of Mario Maker 3D?
Drop a Metal Mario on that sub button.
I think the fact that you can have so much more possibilities in 3d.
Online would be cool
Can you make more levels like this, I loved this creativity!
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A Mario Maker 3D trailer would blow everyone’s minds! Imagine the ‘D’ falling into frame and the camera turns to reveal a 3D logo!!
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16:13 You can add a star to a boss. Just grab a star and put it on the same tile as the boss, and it should tie the star to it.
kinda like invincible bowser in mario 64
@@ozzy_anamations17 Invincible Bowser ? In Mario 64 ?
@@ozzy_anamations17 ?
@@ZeeJoen the final boss
@@ozzy_anamations17 oh yeah
“a designer’s dream is a developer’s nightmare”
Yeah literally
It's easy to come up with cool ideas but not as easy to create them
But this is a LITERALLY devved formation of it, tho....
@@NathAnarchy45 bro 1 single person programmed it in just about a year, FOR THE NINTENDO 64, a very hard console to program on.
@@AndyGun11 hope they paid him well
Yeah, but this is Nintendo we're talking about. The designers' word is gospel over there.
only problem with this, having people have to unlock new features would be the worst possible thing to do. all things should be accessible from the start.
That’s why SMM2 had all things unlocked except the Hammer, unlocked by completing the story.
@@legacyeazero3651Super-Ball-Flower and Master Sword are also unlocked.
@@legacyeazero3651correction, the super ball flower was also unlockable
@@superyoshiparker8979 yeah i forgot about that
@@legacyeazero3651idk man, unlocking things in MM1 was pretty fun, you got a new item per day. But yeah i understand that its not the point of the game
I really think that Nintendo should allow custom messages for the NPCs. They're an important part of the immersion in the levels that make them feel unique and lived in.
Also the Switch has a filter that prevents the use of bad words. It doesn't let you confirm the message if it detects a bad word, so it would be fine.
It’s not enough especially for a game for children. People can find ways around it as well.
@@paulakroy2635 What do you mean, it's not enough ? You literally can't use actual bad words. The only alternative is either censoring or using a less vulgar alternative. And don't worry, Nintendo makes sure you can't use them at all.
For example there was this situation in Pokémon Scarlet/Violet a few months ago where you couldn't name Pecharunt "Dokutaro" (his file name), because it has "kut" in it, which is Dutch for "p*ssy"
It's Nintendo, they're very cautious with this kind of stuff. They pay attention to their family friendly image a lot. Some could say even too much. Their anti bad word system is sound, I'm sure.
yeah we probably won't have a Roblox issue with Nintendo, and even if they find a new way to swear, the level could easily get taken down and the word bypass could just be completely blocked.
@@GalactaTheDestroyer Exactly
@@Oceane1803 Yeah, like just make an experimental phase, get feedback, and censor what needs to be censored, unlike that one time I was playing a restaurant game where you kill the owner and become the owner, where someone just somehow directly said the N word.
Nintendo's gonna know. They have better moderation LOL
Not like there's gonna be live chat filtering
Who said Mario Maker 3D wouldn’t work? I’ve been dreaming of a Mario Maker for Super Mario 3D World since Mario Maker 2.
Short sighted people, short sighted people are the ones who say that. The existence of Mario Builder 64 shuts them all down thankfully.
exactly its insane i had an argument about it w some dumb people
mario maker
Same
it’s way harder to make good level design when there’s another dimension to consider
I feel like in most user created levels would be horribly designed the camera would be jank and lead to a lot of blind jumps and it would have tones of soft lock points
They could just code it so you can't get the camera past walls or make it first person
meh easily solvable
@@blockwearingman 3d Mario games have always suffered from poor cameras, Mario odyssey uses box colliders to move the camera around when in small areas. This could implemented all this into a level builder but it will be pretty complex for children and giving users control over the camera could lead to some horrific levels. Every time Mario walks into a small area of room the camera would need to either faze through the wall up close to Mario or make the wall invisible or make Mario visible behind the wall. None of these options are ideal. I could imagine a troll level where you travel through a small room and get attacked by things you cannot see.
@@BlackMantisRedI mean if it’s as simple as the game in the video it literally just takes making each block have box colliders lmao
@@oldylad the camera in this game is super jank though. Look at 14:00 this is exact problem I mentioned.
As a modder of both Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario 3D World, I do think 3D is still impossible even with the ideas you mentioned. At most I can somewhat see a Mario 64 version but no more then that, the other games have way to much detail in the 3D models and there are so many things that just wouldn’t work. Using blocks could only go so far, and how would you make planets that didn’t aren’t just extremely blocky, or yet how would materials work? Or even Gravity work? You know how complicated gravity is to set up?!Every “bean” in the Galaxy games have 3 different extremely precise Gravity areas, and even if Nintendo made say a BeanGravityArea, all the beans would just look the same as they can’t be modelled out to be unique. Not to mention all the other issues not related to models. How would launch star paths work? Just setting them up in SMG is a pain and getting Bézier curves to do what the player wants would be really tricky, and not to mention, the game would have to have ViewGroupAreas made by the game which is also pretty impossible to do sadly. Even the most basic things, such as adding a Boss Fight, would be a nightmare. How would Meowser even work? If he used the 3D World version, you would need a huge tower and it would just feel like the original game, if they turned the Mario Maker 2 variant into 3D and used that, it would literally be the most depressing boss fight ever as it would just stay there. Mario Maker and Mario Maker 2 are already very limited as making an editor that people who never have done level design before would be hella hard, and locking it into 2D makes that concept so much easier. If people really want a Mario Maker 3D, just use Mario Builder 64, or better yet , actually mod the game, it’s more fun that way instead of wanting a Mario Maker 3D which if somehow ever got made it would be horrid and all we would have a million flip-panel and beat block levels with grass blocks.
Yeah, you could do a super basic version but it would be missing *a lot*. I mean, SMM is already missing a bunch of features, but at least all the fundamentals are there.
I’m glad someone finally covers the editor because in most clickbait Mario Maker 3D trailers the player literally just drags a 3d object onscreen and it’s somehow right where they want it
It’s not clickbait it’s just a concept.
@@ChaosandKirby osc fan detected
@@jan_Eten Is that a comment on what I said, or was that based on my profile picture?
@@ChaosandKirby pfp
@@jan_Eten me too!
Is not being able to switch to 3D world in the middle of building your level really the worst thing about Mario Maker 2? I don't know about everyone else, but before I even start building a level I generally have a general idea of what I want the level to be like which will generally determine which game mode it will be from the very beginning.
I was also thinking that lol. I 100% agree with you.
@@Eternalwarpuppy Yeah, but 3D world doesn’t really have much differences that can’t be implemented in other modes to feel like having it separate really adds anything. Especially since it’s the only game style that’s in a special category. Hopefully if there is a MM 3D 3D World would be upgraded to a 3D style with 64, Odyssey, and possibly Galaxy. I would think they’d be in a separate category considering that a level being 3D should be decided from the start instead of switching halfway through.
Tbh, I'd wish the other themes had more unique stuff for themselves just like the 3D World style. They're unique as they are, but still feel somewhat samey.
disagreed, although, most of the SMM2 levels I designed were just a bunch of spikes and coins placed randomly in the SMB3 style so I can't really say much
course elements being in themes they don't belong in was part of mario maker 1's charm imo, making it different for one specific theme in mario maker 2 was... certainly a choice
3d world is the only theme with fire bros, but is also missing stuff like tracks, normal spikes, shelmets, or even stacking enemies (which was introduced in 3D LAND btw)
something important you missed about controlling mario is its not just about tricks like wall jumping, but general physics and reactions, like how he responds to turning or collisions, minute responses like these are different for each game and will mess with expectations in how mario is supposed to move
mario maker makes every style control like new u, which i think is fine for 2d where the number of possible movements is significantly lower, and new u has a more polished physics system than the others, which are much older games with rougher controls
although mario 64 is and old game with rough physics, its so well known that people will be caught off guard if it controls like odyssey, and vis versa odyssey would not feel smooth with 64s controls
each game was designed for their own sake and not with a homogenised multi-game engine in mind
Yeah I think it’d be better to just have one game style to avoid this issue
Mario Maker does not make every style control like NSMBU.
@@cube2fox but they all control basically the same, and not like how they did in the originals
@@tzarg That's not true
@@cube2fox But Mario still controls differently than he does in the original games. The physics aren't 1:1 the same across game styles, but they're more similar.
Loved this video. I hope Nintendo actually make a Mario Maker 3D game.
Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be the best game ever.
Ok
9h ago…?
Uhhh the video was uploaded 5hrs ago?
He's a member that's why
@@Nitrogen_Dioxidemembers can show the video before other people
Nintendo must make Mario Maker 3D once the Switch 2 launches.
facts
Hold up, there's actually gonna be a switch 2?
@@broggy52 kind of, yeah
@@broggy52Yeah, and like really soon too. Like end of Q1 beginning of Q2 2025, so probably only like 6-7 months away
@@broggy52nintendo have explicitly said a new console is coming
A old 3D freegame I played many years ago, called "Turbo Lode", also used this kind of level editor, it's really easy to make 3D levels with that!
Wait until Mario Maker 4D:
Complete with every game in the world!
Nah, that's Super Maker!
😭🔥
5D allows you to bend the real world to your own desire.
@@InFrontEntryimagine troll levels in that game
0:02 They’re not really haters. They just think it would be less easy to use than the 2D Version. It’s not impossible but it’s just too complicated. People wouldn’t know how to make 3D levels because they are so used to designing 2D levels.
Did you not watch the full video? He has counter points to what you said
@@chaomasterzero4610 I just don’t think his points are very convincing.
you are a hater
So? When Mario Maker 1 came out, people didn't know how to make 2D levels, and NOW look at what people are doing. It would just be Mario Maker 1 all over again.
@@torterratortellini6641to put it simply, if these people can figure out minecraft, they sure as he'll can figure out a dumbed down version of it (this)
i have to say that i was sceptical at first about 3d maker, but now i see the vision and how easy it would be to use
I think for the text it should be like Dark Souls / Elden Ring where you have phrases and words to mix and match messages such as: "Beware, X is below" and X can be "Bottomless Pit", "Enemy", or "Treasure" for instance
UA-cam introduced me to this channel by downloading this video to my phone - and it rocks. New subscriber gained, I look forward to what you put out next!
You'd only really need one style for a 3D game. The different 2D styles all represented advancements in the game engine, from 8 bit, (SMB) to expanded 8 bit (SMB3) to 16 bit (SMW) to 64 bit (NSMBU), and 3DW being a conversion of an original 3D game. So the graphics (sprites, etc.) and sound effects were vastly different from game to game. With the 3D games, from Sunshine up, it's all 64 bit, and the same basic graphics; it's just the objects (backgrounds, items, etc.) that are different. So you could have one style, and just choose which items to represent whichever game. Like you could make either flat groumd, or the little worldlets for the Galaxys, the different scenes of Odyssey, etc. the Fludd pack or other specific powerups. Havng one style with all those selections would probably take up less data space than separate styles.
The only 3D game with different graphics is 64, which was the early polygon graphics, and with this new 64 Builder out now, we already have that.
what are you even talking about? there is *nothing* shared between SMB and SMB3, or 3 and World, or World and NSMB. the physics are radically different in some very fundamental ways, and it shows in SMM because the edge cases are just plain wrong.
@@keiyakins I don't get what _you're_ talking about. I didn't say there was anything shared between those 2D games you mentioned; I quite to the contrary said how they're completely different game engines that look totally different, while 3D games (with the exception of Mario64) had similar looking graphics.
They’ve already made a 3D game creator with Game Builder Garage. I think what’s seen in the video is a very Mario Maker style thing to do, and is a simplified fun experience. Game Builder Garage is a lot harder to get into, and the way boxes layer over each other in the X and Y axis can make it harder to make it harder to see.
I can see an editor working, but allowing players to change styles is a different beast entirely. The mechanical differences in 3D Mario games makes the differences in 2D Mario games laughably minor - spin and wall jumps, seriously? Even the 3D World style was still mostly a 2D game control-wise.
If I were to guess, the game would have a set 3D style, controlling and looking similarly to Bowser's Fury, with power-ups and features "borrowed" from the different games, but still designed around those set 3D controls.
"The mechanical differences in 3D Mario games makes the differences in 2D Mario games laughably minor - spin and wall jumps" what differences? the only ones I've played are Super Mario Galaxy and a teeny tiny bit of Super Mario Odyssey and I've watched Super Mario 64 (and played a bit with an emulator because I got the controller a while ago) and I think they basically are all the same, and would totally compare spin and wall jumps to the changes
I don't see editing in 3d be hard. I see it being pretty hard to render compared to 2d Mario Maker. 2d Mario Maker already downgraded a lot of sprites, and NSMBU completely got spritified.
5:24 Personally, I think something even better than this would be to expand the Super Worlds concept to have chapter selects for levels if you choose, but win conditions per-level could be a variety of things just like regular Mario Maker 2, such as collecting all coins, defeating all of a certain enemy, getting all the moons/stars, getting a certain AMOUNT of moons/stars out of a total, and more.
The issue isn't that it can't work from a design or technological stance, the issue is that Nintendo would not do that.
Why not? It doesnt seem too bad
@@Celestewashere08 3D Mario maker means they will lose sales on the real 3D Mario game for Switch. Also Super Mario Maker 2 didn't sell as well as Nintendo was hoping.
@@macksnotcoolnot at all how that works.
@@sptflcrw8583 Yes. That is precisely how that works.
@@macksnotcoolHow? Mario Maker 2 certainly didn’t affect sales for Wonder. Also how do you know how Nintendo feels about Mario Maker 2’s sales?
1. The level edit should use isometric grade.
2. The stages SHOULD be platarfom based like 3D Mario land/World
This Will be better than a openword 64 style game
Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be back the best game over.
i think it would be a great idea to add a "advanced building mode" for pro builders where you could import 3D models and add custom scripts and music to your level, and there could be some pre-made scripts so there will be lots of amazing levels.
@@wyattmoore6897 Import 3D models ? Nah they'd never do that, there would be too much possibility to import inappropriate stuff.
how are you gonna implement custom models, music, and scripts into a switch without some shenanigans involved?
Nintendo would never do that though
For signs and NPCs, you could also just implement a sensor that automatically blocks inappropriate words and an AI translator for cross region sharing
This video reminded of when i had an idea to make a mariokart maker. Basically you make the design of the map by drawing it out like a minimap. After finishing the map u can go in and just move some parts of the road up and down to make it 3d and also replace some parts of the map with premade assets such as a booster with a mushroom pad. Then like how the 3d mario maker works in this video you can add objects around the map. Sorry if this doesnt make sense (i wrote this while pulling an all nighter)
that's cool actually in my opinion, and maybe you'd be able to elevate certain pieces of ground with like a sort-of vacuum button to make hills
mario kart live home circuit but good
People who think it’s impossible should play Disney Infinity.
Not me
literally forgot about that lol
Its the switching between styles for me. If this were to work it would have to be like switching between NSMBU and 3D World where everything resets. You can't switch between Sunshine and Odyssey because they have very different mechanics.
You forget the Most important reason for why it probably will never happen. Do you know how profitable 3D Mario Games are & how much a 3D Mario Maker risks cutting those profits if it ever happened. 2D Mario was at a temporary dead end when Mario Maker was released & it took a decade for Nintendo to come up with Wonder after the New Series Games ended. I see Kaze being hired to make a New Super Mario 64 game by Nintendo as more likely than a full 3D Mario Maker.
This is countered with the fact they made a mario maker 2 but made another 2d mario game after it came out
Dude MM2 underperformed according to Nintendo, that's why they killed it after a while. Believe it or not, but people are more likely to buy a new, quality, original Mario game rather than a level builder of inconsistent levels and samey visuals.
It worked with 2D Mario just fine, don't see why a 3D one would be any different.
I think they’ll be fine if they just add Mario 64 and just focus on adding more items and enemies to the 2D. This way they can still market it as 3D without much risk
Ok, speaking for us, the "haters" of a Mario Maker 3D. Since saying why it's not a good idea doesn't convince you guys, I'm going to give some examples.
(And if you don't think I know what I'm talking about, I have played all 2D and 3D Mario's, a lot of Mario 64 and Mario World hack roms and probably more Mario Maker than you)
Imagine trying to find a hidden block in a random place of the map with a key in a 3D level, imagine fighting a hundred random enemies in a 3D level, imagine a really big maze in a 3D level, imagine water levels in 3D, imagine just how BAD the camera would be in a 3D Mario Maker, imagine doing a "no skip" run on the endless mode and having to play a really bad level in which you have to find not just a flagpole, but seven different horribly made stars, imagine trying to make a level and not being able to draw it with the touch screen, imagine not having a time-limit and letting people create infinitely long and infinitely boring courses, imagine the limitations and simplifications Nintendo would have to include to make it accessible, for it not to be a bug-fest and for the game to not take seven years of development, (and for the game to run without burning your switch 2 tbh). These are just a few examples.
If half of the Mario Maker 1 and 2 courses are bad, in a 3D game it would be more like 85 percent, and the ones that are good would be worse than the good 2D Mario Maker courses, because they would be a lot more repetitive, sometimes "more" is less. There are a LOT of platformers about making your own courses in 2D, there are really few 3D ones, there is a reason for that.
And for god's sake, don't compare kids making levels with them playing Minecraft, as if playing a survival and making a house is as hard as game design.
Have you considered that all of those negatives you've mentioned already exist in 2D, And it hasnt affected anyone's overwhelmingly positive view on mario maker? And the video compared the EASE of making levels in 3D to building in minecraft, no one said kids are automatically geniuses at level design, but as i said, that's a thing in 2D already! the argument "childrens' creations will become so much worse than they already are in 2D makes no sense.
@@SawBSketch Yes, I did consider it, and my point stands.
It is true that SOME of the points also apply in 2D, but the would be magnified by a thousand in 3D. For example, if you hide a key in a small space in 2D you have, let's say, 10 places where you can jump to find it, in 3D there would be 100 places without making the space any bigger. I could talk about other points, but you can read again my comment if you want.
And like I said before, SOME of the points also don't apply. The camera, the difficulty to make levels or the limitations it would need to establish to make it run in the first place are still valid points (and there are more but I don't want to list everything again).
Also, with the Minecraft point you make I agree, it is dumb to criticize what he said about Minecraft. But it is also dumb to make the Minecraft point in the first place, so I don't care.
@@elpozolero777 Yea IDK I could see it working out but I definitely get why you'd be skeptical, not to mention it'd be a gigantic project to tackle for Nintendo just balancing the thing and making it accessible on its own
@@zoinksscoob5077 I mean, I get that the idea of a 3D Maker sounds really cool, but I think is really difficult to do. I don't think it's impossible, but just trying to think of how it would work probably would be at least some years of development without actually making much.
Maker 1 was made almost by accident as a consequence of NSMB becoming so stale. It was a really safe bet, but I just think a 3D one probably won't even be worth it to do for Nintendo (even tho it would be cool)
A Mario Maker 3D game (actually made by Nintendo) would be very interesting. Also, Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe Switch Lite will be the best game ever.
Uhh Actually, Super Mario 3D World & bowser fury is ACTUALLY INCLUDED & 3D
That’s a cool level! I do have a question unrelated question though: Why are you currently streaming past videos on a loop?
It might be a strategy to get watch hours.
@@ninjaydes That’s what I’m assuming, but I hope not. That’s the kind of thing I would lose respect for him over
I don't think it would work very well unless it was heavily simplified, with even less options than the first mario Maker, but in a 3d space
One thing that is interesting to consider is the camera for 3d in editing being different from the camera in game, for the 2d Mario maker games it’s very easy to look at how the level will look while you’re making it because you look at it from the same angle, but for 3d it’s a lot harder to get an idea how the level will actually be like when you’re playing in the middle of making it, you mentioned the comparison to Minecraft and in that game you create with the same controls you play with which I’d say probably adds to its ease of use.
0:58 so I am a kid and ive been making levels in mb64 and yea honestly it was easier for me to make good 3d levels then 2d levels mainly thanks to stars
By far the biggest reason Nintendo wouldn't make this is that people could make levels that rival the ones Nintendo would make. This would cause less sales in future Mario games
... no they couldn't. Anything remotely accessible would be *incredibly* limited.
I have a few very niche issues, but mainly just the way the camera and placement works in what you described, but other than that good job at laying out a foundation for it(I already was on board but still useful to have a pre-existing idea)
I'd like a super mario galaxy maker cuz with only one theme u dont have to worry of some features and u can even add another type of editor 4 certain blocks or enemies like in fall guys creative mode. There could be 8 types of items: planets, platforms, gizoms, power ups, enemies, barriers, decorations, starting point/star/checkpoints
Adding on to this is that the original release trailer for the Mario Builder 64 ROM Hack got taken down by Nintendo (the hack itself is still available luckily), and it's become a bit of a meme where if Nintendo takes down a fan project they might be making something similar (It was about 2 years between the takedown of AM2R and the release of the official Metroid II remake on 3DS and about 4-5 years between the takedown of the original version of SMBX and the release of Super Mario Maker 1). This honestly gives me a bit of hope that Nintendo might be planning a 3D Super Mario Maker 3 for the Switch successor console.
I like this idea but I’m pretty sure Nintendo wouldn’t ever make it and even if they would it definitely wouldn’t be as cool
“Kids wouldn’t figure out 3D maker” Most of them can’t figure out proper levels in 2D already.
“…maybe a 3rd bowser on top of the second and first would make this level good”
Lmao. You thought kids are dumb as shit?! Minecraft exists, my goddess just pure cope.
Pure copium
It'd be really cool if you had a Mario Maker 3D that had both 2D and 3D options and styles (especially if you had some levels that would allow you to swap styles mid-level so I can understand if Nintendo would struggle with that to the point of not wanting it to make the game's price higher than it already is going to be)
Either way I love the idea
Most difficult thing would be sloped terrain. They could do it with a painter of some kind but they'd still need to limit it in some way
I think a cool feature would be if you could spawn in a player at your cursor to test sections without needing to play the level proper, so you can test areas before you finish
0:19 hard??? There are editors in many 3D games such as Forza Horizon 5 or GTA 5. As a person who doesn't really has much to do with Mario games but rather doing custom races or challenges in games like Forza Horizon 5 or GTA 5 I can say it is really easy once you get the hang of it. Aka yes I'm on your side. It would be possible and it would really work.
I feel like people are forgetting that map editors in games used to be super common. When I was 10 I was making skate parks in THPS2 and a few years after that I was making maps in Timesplitters 2. These tools used to be COMMON. Now they don't exist like, anywhere and people assume the young audience just couldn't figure it out, but they'd be wrong.
Getting 3d bosses that would be sick
I don’t think it’s possible (sadly) because most of the 3D games are too recent and unique (compared to the 2D games). Nintendo likes $$$, and they’d make more bread by keeping the 3D games independent. This forces to people to buy more of their games.
You can see this is in practice by how Nintendo designed the 3D World game-mode as 2D. The two are completely different, incentivising customers to by both Mario Maker 2 and 3D World.
I think the styles are really the biggest problem because while Nintendo could make new assets for games that don't have those things the mechanics of some games are very different, like Mario Odyssey and 3D World.
There might even be a lot of issues for 64 and Galaxy or something like that. Sunshine probably wouldn't work at all. Aside from that I really like the ideas.
They could also have global leader boards for how many stars you have
I think for 64land, entities and blocks could be on a lattice to streamline everything, but you could also have platforms and props that can be rotated, scaled and placed freely, like little islands for that special 3d platformer feel. But Blockland levels could be bound to the lattice completely in exchange for more professional and fancy looking levels and fancy mechanics similar to mm2 making use of Mario Land levels as more advanced than basic new smb levels.
Yep, I know that one Mario 64 builder game.
Dude... you're asking programmers to code multiple 3D Mario games in one just for little Timmy to spam thwomps.
Honestly, the only way I can think of Nintendo doing a 3D Maker is limitating the tools and making it a separate menu for it, like what they did for the Super Worlds. Maybe you can make a 3D HUB where you can enter 2D levels.
The Mario 64 builder is an amazing romhack, but it is niche. What you see is people already in the community making levels for people into romhacks. It is like comparing Lunar Magic to Mario Maker. Both serve the same purpose, but the audience is completely differente thus, quality and quantity change dramatically.
"BUT I DEMAND THAT NINTENDO DOES IT BECAUSE THE HATERS ARE WRONG AND IT WOULD BE SO EASY TO DO I COULD DO IT IN A DAY BUT I DONT WANT TO!!!!111!111!"
I think it would be better if you can like choose easy 3d or hard 3d editing
great video ontop of including the creation of the level you made .. my only concern is how they would get the level to maintain the same when switching through the other styles of the games provided like MM2, hopefully they don't go with the "this style will erase everything" approach.
I love you version of Mario maker 3d, and your level looks fun I can’t wait to see the perfected version 🤩
It would be hard for 5 years old to play it.
For the next video on tips and tricks can you make it the legend of Zelda themed I mean like tips for the power up
Its kinda true, but i feel like a Mario Maker 3D will never happen since they can just recreate 3D Games level and Nintendo will lose money, they can already do it in SMM but it's 2D and Nintendo knows 2D is kinda bad nowadays
this take is so bad because mario wonder is a thing
Who the hell is buying new 3D mario games just for the basic terrain of the level
I love how you demonstrated the ease of making flaming hot garbage levels.
There's an algorithm ( more a technique than an algorithm ), called sine wave function collapse, in a nutshell let's say you placed a water block surrounded by ground, the algorithm automatically will pick a model based on the situation, for instance you can have a grassy theme and water connects in a small shore, but then you have a jungle theme and it connects through mud, kinda like Minecraft fences but much more complex, you only need to worry about placing the base layer, all the flare and models to make it look right are picked automatically, paired with simple grid-snapped props like bushes, fences or ramps, ans you get yourself a very robust system to make levels, in fact Dota 2 editor used this exact technique to make higher up places have more decor, not to mention Super Mario 3D world is very blocky if you think about it.
I love how most people’s complaints about this is basically *think of the children* 😢 when literally the most popular games in Gen Z to Gen alpha have some form of building mechanics (Minecraft and Fortnite I mean)
yeah
I don’t think Mario oddysey would work simply cause everything is to round and it would look weird if everything was square. A game like Mario 3D world however could work as it is more blocky and cartoony.
Honestly, I could see it working. Nintendo would have to handle it delicately and ensure that the 2D editor still works. Nonetheless, I have seen Mario Builder 64 before and have wanted to get my hands on it myself. It looks fun!
I would honestly really love to hear epic remixes of the levels while in build mode for Mario galaxy and 64
i loved mario maker when i first played the 1st because i could play it on my ds and play it anywhere. that made me happy. in mario maker 2 i loved it because i thought it was cool seeing all of the new features but with sprites for the OG mario game ( Super Mario Bros. )
11:04 i feel like you should be able to do it with the wing cap so you can get the star in 2 ways🙏🏼🔥
This Is A Really Cool Idea
But I'd Rather It Be A Mode Instead Of The Full Game
Maybe Make 3D World And 3 More 3D Styles
So We Can Have
2D: SMB, SMB3, SMW, NSMBU
3D: SM3DW, SM64, SMG, SMO (Those Are The Themes I'd Put)
So hyped for Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite. It’ll 100% be the best game ever. I’m glad Nintendo actually listens to their community.
Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts had vehicle creation, Little Big Planet had straight up game creation (A platformer game? No, a platform FOR games) so honestly, not that surprised that a Mario Maker 3D could potentially work.
It's a lovely playground of a level, but to people trying that stage for the first time, there could be a clear path to follow for collecting red coins & more lenient timing on some of the challenges (avg player just barely clears on 1st attempt, as opposed to someone with knowledge on how to clear just barely makes it).
i get that its possible but its probably a little complicated for nintendo's target demographic, would take longer because there is a third dimension and basically any way to simplify the building would just make it really limiting. the only thing i can see it working is if it was something closer to old fortnite creative where there are plenty of simple options for the less advanced players but many more complicated tools to make better stuff for the more experienced players. also, themes arent just a hurdle because of the objects, the way bigger issue is the physics. they basically have to redo most physics engines entirely to make it meet modern standards while not being identical to the other styles. also, the resetting between styles is basically guaranteed as almost every 3d mario game has drastically different artsyles and enemies and making all those 3d models just takes up even more time, unlike in the previous games where there was only those for nsmbu which already mostly existed and those for 3d world which was seperate and didnt have to carry over between themes anyway
TL;DR just too much work and time for nintendo to even consider making
ive been hoping for a 3D mario maker for so long, it would be so awesome to have. I hope Nintendo makes it happen some day, judging by the releases I'd expect something after the next console release, whenever that happens. (not another switch re-release, a whole new console)
That level you made looks like something i would make as a first level too lol 😂
Not really any terrain, just a bunch of structures
I think the editor of tracimania is the best for simply editing
If this mario exist, nintendo must be inspired by it
1:33 I swear I've seen this scene before
BLUE TELEVISION GAMES I KNEW IT WOULD BE IN IT
3D world not sharing parts isn't a flaw. It has its own rules, its own blocks and mechanics that the others dont have. Rather than have the styles limit each other its best they have something that sets them apart from other styles. Its the LITTERAL OPPOSITE of rigid and stale.
kids don’t figure out minecraft they find the best player and follow what they do
I wish there was no limit to how much of something you could place but rather a warning showing that too many of that thing could lag your game and once the world was created when ignored it leaves a warning depicting how laggy the world is
I would sink many many hours into this but, probably never going to happen or at least not anytime soon
That's cool. Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be the best game ever.
Its not that it wont work, its that Nintendo wont do it. No matter how perfect it would be...
Super Mario Maker 3D should actually just be Super Mario Maker 3, but you have a way to switch to actual 3D styles through the style selection.
Arrowstotle Maker 3D Deluxe U Switch Lite will be the best game ever.
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If fall guys has a stage builder I don't see why not 3D Mario
Nintendo will definitely want the touch screen of the tablet to be utilized. I don't know any self-respecting person who uses the button controls to make levels. All of the normal people use the touch screen to do it because it is easier.
I wholeheartedly agree. A 2D MM3 wouldn't generate sustainable excitement. People would love the 2d Wonder mode for a few months and then that'd be it. 3D would give years of discoverable tech
Nintendo is too greedy to make us play galaxy, sunshine, and odyssey for only 60 bucks
What if Nintendo makes it a limited game. (Edit: I just realized that would make people mad)
I think most levels will not be as good as these games, if they even would be good
It's harder to make 3d levels in general and there will be restrictions on levels
Wow, that looks really interesting. Makes me want to break out the cash for Super Mario Maker 2 again. ^_^
Honestly I still prefer Mario maker 3 is 2d because since the maker mode isn’t 2d you can’t draw blocks with your finger you just place on block at a time like Minecraft and that would make level making very boring and time consuming I would rather 2d level making and Mario makes 3 is too early for this Nintendo has to master 2d Mario maker before moving on to 3d
You are now a hater
@@TheYoshiChannel-7 Nintendo did master 2D Mario maker
and tfym you can't draw in 3D it's perfectly possible, heck, I've seen it done before and there is 0 issue
Have you heard of "dragging the blocks so they can be made bigger"?
please, use commas or periods
@@ignestr Why are you guys getting so heated I’m stating my opinion you don’t have to agree I just think drawing blocks wouldn’t be implemented or would just be clunky you don’t HAVE to agree with me
Imagine they are working on it and this video has everything they added
dreams exists, i dont see why nintendo is not already working on it
I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, if they make a 3d Mario maker, adds marching cubes (makes cubes smooth)
Mario: its a koopa! Koopa: theres more of me... mario: oh no. Da koopa army: BuAh bAuH !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did you abandon the blue toad saga? You could make a big finale using my levels!
My levels aren’t known for their difficulty, so the video could be called “15 easy boss ideas in Mario maker 2”
Boss 1 (V8V-X3S-QLG) Mario drops into a hole, and comes face to face with the hungry mega radish! Mario has to make it past an icicle trap, a spike pit, a fire bar and a pair of lava bubbles to escape this uno-reverse edible.
Boss 2 (XM3-B5R-K8G) blue toad comes face to face with bombrute! In this easy encounter, blueberry flavored Mario only needs one bob-omb to defeat this menace.
Boss 3 (RLJ-0CT-CCG) link enters heavyweight island to fight dracomorton! Link has to nab both of the delicious pink coins with his bow to escape this encounter.
Boss 4 (KMV-0FX-FDF) link’s dragon battles don’t end yet! The red dragon appears, and immediately begins breathing parabeetle fire! Three slashes to the inside of the mouth defeats this crimson creature.
Boss 5 (WS6-QMV-0QG) toadette the inventor uses her boss detector (B.D.) that she invented to find boom boom’s mech! This boss has three phases, and during the first one, pink Mario must dodge cannonball rain while toasting boom boom. The mech’s exoskeleton breaks off for the 2nd round, and munches on a Zappa laser. The mech then swallows toadette, and she must use superballs and dodge homing missiles to destroy it from the inside.
Boss 6 (MG7-6NR-3VG) captain fire bro is wreaking havoc with his tank, and Mario must stop him. Red Luigi equips a cannon of his own, destroys captain fire bro and his crew, and blows up the tank so that area is at peace.
Boss 7 (LFS-69S-SQG) the B.D. Leads toadette to a seemingly empty underwater cave… but after looking around, she encounters omega obsidios! This boss is armed with a Zappa mechakoopa and three Ludwigs. By defeating the main Ludwig, she bests this bullet heck and leaves this dreadful cave.
Boss 8 (9QW-V0T-KYF) ghost boom boom shows up to haunt Mario! The cherry flavored plumber has to wait for a muncher to crush the goomba that holds the exit key while avoiding cannonballs and bulls-eye bills. After outlasting the spectral fiend, he leaves ghost boom boom to rest.
Boss 9 (YVL-Y7F-VSF) Jeff’s evil twin brother, Jonathan, challenges blue toad to a duel! Our mushroom-headed pal teams up with Monty mole to take down the fiend. As Jonathan turns the hard block wall into enemies and items, blue toad has to hit switches and guide Monty mole to bomb the evil wizard and win the duel.
Boss 10 (PDP-YFC-V5G) Monty mole has another mission for blue toad, this time he has to conquer the mechakoopa clan! The leader’s right hand man, Lemmy, blocks the way. After that fight, he faces the leader of the clan! Armed with missiles and lasers, blue toad has to outlast the mechanical menace until Monty and wiggler drop munchers onto the leader and finish the mission.
Boss 11 (984-GNJ-8MG) a ghost known as the skin ripper has always wondered what’s underneath living skin, and for years has been dying to find out the hard way… the skin ripper has possessed the rotting corpse of boom boom and is ready to cut off toadette’s skin… toadette only has a limited amount of fire flowers and has to avoid danger discs to defeat this possessed corpse with her skin still intact.
Boss 12 (3RH-CV1-H7G) plantora the carnivorous plant approaches link! To win, link has to slash the chain chomp arms. After a long and strenuous battle, the terrifying triffid is defeated, and link can move on.
Boss 13 (5BS-R67-6NF) Mario enters the cold lair of snowy the evil snowman! Mario must once again outlast the enemy while avoiding cannonballs and unchained chomps on tracks. After snowy melts away, Mario can go and warm up.
Boss 14 (KB5-YH4-4FF) Mario chose too warm of a place to warm up, and Morton’s mech known as big smoke is looking for more than just a number 9 large! Mario goes into a fire Koopa clown car and smites this boss.
Boss 15 (M58-GQR-GVF) blue toad finds a portal to the spirit world, and he will be the one who saves Luigi. Wendy o doom guards the gates to the soul extraction room, and won’t let blue toad pass! A boo in a clown car patrols the area, and after Wendy o doom is defeated, the soul sucker appears! The soul sucker absorbs Jonathan and Roy and uses their powers to destroy the blue pest. After hitting the on-off switch enough times, blue toad is granted with the star’s blessing, and frees Luigi and all the lost souls once and for all!