Is It Ever WORTH Drafting a Tight End in the 1st Round?
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Georgia tight end Brock Bowers could be a top 10 draft pick. That's a risky move for the tight end position. For every T.J. Hockenson drafted high there's an Eric Ebron or O.J. Howard. And the best tight ends from Travis Kelce, to George Kittle to Sam LaPorta have all been drafted in later rounds. Kyle Pitts could be saved by Kirk Cousins.
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Ad Mitchell > Rome odunze
Ima draft em
Brandon "Pube Guy" Perna
Great video and just to add to it.
Travis Kelce - 3rd Round of the 2013 Draft
Rob Gronkowski - 2nd Round of the 2010 Draft
George Kittle - 5th Round of the 2017 Draft
As a Niner fan I'd love to say Kittle is the best TE but I don't think he's at the same level as Kelce or Gronk, *BUT he might be one day if he can do a Kelce or Gronk and simply rip a Superbowl apart. FYI _ in last years playoffs Kelce caught 7 of 10 against Miami, 5 of 6 against the Bills, 11 of 11 against Baltimore and 9 of 10 in the Superbowl. In last years playoffs Kittle caught 4 of 7, 2 of 3 and 2 of 3 in the Superbowl.
NO DOUBT Kittle's a good pass receiver but he needs to do what Gronk and Kelce did/do which is scare the crap out of defensive coordinators. If teams didn't cover Gronk or Kelce they just kept lumbering downfield and they caught a staggeringly high percentage of what was thrown to them and on run plays they just flattened linebackers for the fun of it.
Before the Superbowl I said if the Niners can STOP Kelce or at least interfere with his receiving game then they could win. They didn't and we know the result.
@tonywilson4713 Travis Kelce was a 2nd rounder
Tim Tebow was a first round TE
😂😂😂😂
But he’s blessed not cursed 🙏
Too bad he should have been an undrafted Qb
@@slapnutsmcgee2980 you know his stats would say that, but he has winning record in the nfl.
@@Sakattack2023and a playoff win
Tight End was my nickname in prison
Did you catch tons of balls
Was your nickname Wide Reciever when you left? 😂
@@SnuggieMapleidk about him but maybe Hernandez is
Later switched positions to a Wide Receiver
But was it sustainable? 😮
Brandon "I'm an expert on curses" Perna
AD MITCHELL > Odunze
Yeah Bros curse wheel killed kirk
He’s quite cursed himself
@@123shoshanunless he protects himself like Tyler lockett Mitchell will be hurt every time he gets hit
@@123shoshanyes keep spreading it, maybe odunze will fall to my team 😂
Between "Balls deep in Tight Ends" and "I'm the Pube Guy" I couldn't stop laughing, love your crazy humor, Brandon.
Crazy? More like obvious.
2013: Tyler Eifert was the lone tight end drafted in the first round. Cincinnati passed on tight ends Zach Ertz and Travis Kelce that year.
They aren’t called the bungles for no reason.
Might have been just as good, too... IF he stayed healthy. Seems like he broke, tore, sprained, or some other form of f***ed up something on his legs every 4 or 5 games.
Cursed.
to be fair tyler eifert was the better te till mahomes came to kc
In 1985 Al Toon & Eddie Brown were the first two wide receivers off the board. Jerry Rice was the third. I know a lot of those myself 😁
Tyler eifert was him for like half of one season
Brandon Pettigrew, Eric Ebron, Hockenson all 1st round TEs by detriot and now LaPorta at 34, lions really love drafting TEs high
3/4 were worth a first round. Not the worst position they've drafted first round.
Hockenson and LaPorta great tight ends still, also from tightend U Iowa.
Hockenson was a 1st round pick and he panned out. Tight End is one of the hardest positions to learn in the NFL for rookies so usually tight ends don't wow you right away. Laporta though is a rare breed. That boy looked like a vet in his rookie year.
Fun fact about Hurst, he was drafted out of high school by the Pirates to play baseball. I played with him for a season in A ball. He didnt stay long and retired from baseball to go to college at South Carolina to play football. Guy was a stud and a good dude.
He seems like a really good dude
What position he play in baseball
@@user-sb8bn4vq8e he was drafted as a pitcher, but he got the yips, and that’s why he didn’t play for long.
@@CityBreakdancerManfor anybody that doesn’t understand what the yips are, it can ruin a career. I was a catcher and got the yips and couldn’t get the ball back to the pitcher for a year. Yips means you couldn’t hit your target to save your life and it’s all in your head.
this videos sole purpose was to tell that “balls deep into tight ends” joke and I respect the effort from Brandon & Johnny for that lol
Kincaid looked pretty good last season
When being 6' 3"+, 240lbs is small at your position AND you get the ball. Sheesh.
For the record, Gronk and Hernandez were a badass 1-2 punch!!! Them dudes were 🔥🔥🔥
Hernandez maybe a Lil to much lmfao
Gronk was a great 1 man punch
Hernandez was a great 1 man killing machine
Eric Ebron was nicknamed “Droptimus Prime” here in Detroit
😂😂😂 I forgot about that.
I think he had similar numbers that record year for him on the Colts, just field position was so much better.
Oh my god, that is fucking gold!
In Pittsburgh stone hands bragged about refusing to block
At least LaPorta is good enough
Pitts just hasn't had a coach not named Arthur Smith yet
Kirk should definitely have a great connection with him because the talent with Pitts is there but I feel like the scheme and the QBs didn’t target him enough to show his full potential.
Neither has Desmond Ridder but everyone has given up on him
@@ickisdog1592because he wasn't good
@@Ryan-wx1bi It's hard to evaluate when the HC literally does not know how to coach. Smith gets ideas, then calls plays & routes. Then the pass is missed because of some nuance that he never takes into consideration, such as "should the QB throw it to the back shoulder on this play?" Every pass play by him looks like they didn't practice it. Ever.
He screams in shock on the sidelines all the time. Is he screaming "I didn't call for you to throw an INT" as if the ball will go where he mentally calls for it, or because he didn't have them practice this route? Can't even tell if it's the QB or not.
Just like the example of a TE breaking out with Andrew Luck. Matt Stafford wasn't bad. But he couldn't win with Calvin Johnson on the Lions because of coaching & play-calling.
@@choosecarefully408 Matt Stafford was carrying that team and it was obvious. He had a ton of different coaches and he still was putting up 4-5k yards a season. That was the worst comparison I've ever seen. He's closer to Tim Tebow than he is Stafford
Packers hit last year with Tucker Kraft and Luke Musgrave. Obviously not first rounders but they deserve to be mentioned for how vital they were for the offense last season
And Detroit with LaPorta. Who was drafted only 2 picks outside the first round.
Bubba Franks was 1st round pick and he was pretty good.
Major pause on balls deep in tight ends😂😂
A 1k season for a TE is a statistical outlier. It should not be used as a measuring stick.
Only a few TEs have had a 1k season, and those tend to be mid career
I agree. I’d say that 700-800 yards is a better measurement
Ebron was a drop machine In the burgh. He was tough af though. Boy took some hits
Perna has been waiting for this moment his entire life to make his balls in on tight ends joke
Please never stop the OJ jokes; they’re always priceless.
I'm a Lions fan and you might be right. Brandon Pettigrew from Oklahoma State with the 20th pick in the same draft we drafted Stafford #1 and he was a big slow dummy TE. Then Eric Ebron was a bust for us from the start. He had moments, but he also looked like he didn't care whatsoever. Then we drafted TJ Hockenson who put up production and was a solid receiving TE and trading him to the Vikings was the best decision we could've done in Detroit because we drafted Sam LaPorta with the 34th pick so the 2nd round who is better than any TE we drafted in Detroit and who was the best rookie TE last year of any TE. Couldn't be happier with laPorta. He can do it all and he had one of the best rookie TE performances out of any TE ever.
The comment about TE production being linked to QB & scheme is an excellent observation, one few draft gurus have talked about. Here is another observation; most of the tight ends mentioned as successful share a common characteristic. They ran under 7 seconds in the 3 cone drill at the NFL combine or on their pro day. This brings me to Denver's Adam Trautman, who Payton traded a 7th round pick to the Saints to acquire. Trautman ran a blistering 6.78 3-cone. For reference, that's faster than Kittle or Kelce. It's faster than Vernon Davis ran, & he clocked a 4.38 forty time. In fact Trautman ran this drill which is considered more important than the forty for tight ends faster than all but 9 tight ends out of the 120 drafted players at the position in the last ten years. If he were a wide receiver we would be talking about him as a deep threat.
Back to the QB & scheme thing. It's debatable whether Trautman had much in the way of a scheme fit in NO for a decent QB fit when he was operating with Jameis Winston or Trevor Siemian. because his numbers reflect mediocrity with those two QBs. The same is true with his 2023 season with Russell Wilson throwing him the ball. However, in 2020 and 2022 he had final year Drew Brees & Andy Dalton at QB, both of whom posted high accuracy numbers.
The difference is startling. With Brees at QB Trautman was targeted only 16 times as a rookie but caught 15 of them. With Dalton he was targeted 22 times & caught 18 passes. Those are exceptionally high percentages. OTOH...with the Winston/Siemian/Hill three headed monster throwing him the ball in 2021, he was targeted 43 times & caught only 27. The same thing was true with Wilson throwing him the ball. He was targeted 35 times & caught only 22.
In addition, his other numbers across the board dropped like a stone with the foursome of Winston/Siemian/Hill/Wilson. His quarterback's rating when targeted in 2020 with Brees was 132. In 2021 with the 3-headed monster it plummeted to 85.7 & his drop rate skyrocketed to over 9%. The next year with Dalton his QB rating when targeted jumped back to 121 with a drop rate of only 4.5%. Fast forward to 2023 with Russ...QB rating when targeted dropped back to 95.4. These wild swings of volatility from 47 & 26 point drops in one season are pretty clearly related to who was at QB as opposed to what he was doing.
What seems obvious is that Trautman's performance has been related to who played QB as this video makes clear is true for tight ends. It's possible that we have a legitimate stud TE here without knowing it simply because he's not yet been with a QB in Paytons offense when he was both trusted for more targets & getting them from an accurate passer. It's not like Trautman was not productive in college. We know he can catch the ball. He was a high level producer every year he was at Dayton & his senior season he had 70 catches for 914 yards & 14 TDs. Yes...that was small college competition but the point is he can catch the ball. We also know he can block. As a rookie he got PFF's highest blocking score for all NFL tight ends. Put that together with his excellent lateral agility & good hands & that might equal a pretty good starting TE with some stability at the QB spot.
Very interesting. 100th percentile for a yt post. Anyone that can get in the ballpark of Vernon Davis on a combine drill of any kind has some great athletics. Interesting that Brees and Dalton didn’t target him much. I wonder what their splits were throwing out wide to over the middle. You always hear the line “a good te is a safety blanket for a young qb.” So you may need him this year.
The original tweet is disingenuous, as the NFL doesn't see a 1,000-yard season for a TE as a benchmark for whether they are good. A more fair yardage metric would be 750 to 800 yards for a good tight end's season. Add in the problems with getting an All-Pro selection, and the best metric would be Pro-Bowl selections, as the bias is often removed for TEs, as you only know them if they are good.
Something about watching manscaped improve over the years through Perna’s ads is truly majestic.
Tony Gonzalez was a first rounder!
Dalton Kincaid seems to be a good pick so far
This is the series I've been waiting for my whole life! Thank you, sir.
Because of how complicated a TE's role is and how they need the right system to flourish, it makes sense that later round TEs will sometimes fare better: They're picked up by better teams / organizations.
I was going to say the bears hit with Cole Kmet but he was taking in the second round😅
They got Cole and Jaylon in that second round pretty good if I do say so myself
The Bears are very good at drafting Tight Ends
@thatsgoodsports then we caught a stray with our QB drafting. Like come on, I thought we would be safe from that for this episode.
I was about to do the same with Dallas Goedert until I remembered the Eagles traded away their 2018 pick and got him in the second round
@@ChanMan258 do we trade down and get Bowser or do we go WR at 9 🤔🤔
goin balls deep into tight ends is insane
“All in”….
Dallas Goedert on the Eagles is underrated as a TE.
Love you BP!!! Been here since the Lawnmower 2.0. Might need to upgrade my mower since it’s been so long
The excitement on your face when you got to say “we go balls deep into tight ends” 😂
It all lead up to this
It’s crazy how much the college game affects the draft in both football and basketball, more in football obviously, but smaller teams in bball obviously have ti play to strengths to have a hope…
I never stopped to think about how a running team would obviously skew the stats for a TE
Dalton Kincaid is cursed.
How?
Ooof
He had a very good rookie season. He's fine as long as he has Allen there.
@@maskedman5657 “a very good rookie season” my ass Sam Laporta blew him out the water…buffalos days are numbered with Allen
@@yuckfou8111 What an absolute casual response. So Sam Laporte having a great rookie season means everyone other rookie had a weak season? Well if that's the logic just admit you're a casual.
Also to say his days are numbered is also really weak. It's like not like Diggs and Gabe Davis are irreplaceable
When you are talking about a TE in the first 2 rounds blocking doesn't matter even a little bit. For 3rd round later sure, but first 2 rounds you have one criteria for success and its catching the ball. Any blocking is a bonus.
Kinda helps LaPorta that his HC is a former NFL TE. I mean, that might be something that helps his development ya know
Funny enough his OC and Passing game coach were also TE position coaches too.
what an amazing research team and production team you have !
21:46 I think history shows that Erick All will be the best TE, since he's from Iowa and not projected as a 1st round pick.
Kincaid looks pretty damn good.
No
Steelers TE Heath miller was a 1st round pick (pick 30) in 2005
Won the Super Bowl his rookie year. Great guy
@thatsgoodsports I massively appreciate the volume of content you’re putting out right now! I’d tell you to slow down if it wasn’t consistently top notch! Get around it, mate. Love from 🇦🇺
I'm not a Broncos fan so my opinion doesn't mattsr, but Noah Fant not being a Bronco still feels weird, idek why he wasn't there for long
Excellent analysis. Sounds like you know your way around big tight ends
Well done again!
This is a great question I made a mock draft on my channel where bowers went to the jets and I had people say they’re scared of taking a tight end that early or even in the first round at all
Ahh yes, I love that off season Pern is even more unhinged than season Pern.
I commend you for going balls deep into tight ends. That can’t be easy.
Tony Gonzalez is a Hall of Famer
Todd Heap and Vernon Davis are two TE that were pretty good.
Good work
All of a sudden Eric Ebron can catch ? 😂
18:21 LaPorta was actually thought of as a receiving te and was not sure how he'd do as a blocker. He didn't have good numbers in college because that Iowa offense is terrible
I was honestly shocked that such an effective scorer came from Iowa.
@@moonjelly5 Iowa is literally called TE U though.
“Block” Bowers will be an amazing addition to whatever team he goes to he’s more then just pass catch a true stud
Mr. Perna if UA-cam ever bans you, your comedic career is always waiting for you. Thanks for getting a laugh out of me every single vid
That intro is legendary
Not mentioning the best rookie TE of all time Sam LaPorta is criminal activity.
Huh? Did you not watch the video?
Eric Ebron will forever continue to piss me off. He did nothing for Detroit. I'm soooooo glad we have Sam LaPorta
Thank god sam laporta just missed the 1st round.
Kid is gonna be #1 tight end in the league this year.
Indianapolis Colts, 2003 drafted Dallas Clark from Iowa in the first round of the NFL draft....yes it's worth it!
There is an obvious answer to the tight end problem. Just draft whatever tight end is coming out of Iowa
David Njoku, TJ Hockensen, Greg Olsen (who Brock resembles but with a higher floor) have worked out
A safety blanket like Brock will help out whoever the QB is
Sam Laporta is an absolute beast. Hope he stays healthy; he could be one of the all time greats.
“Balls deep into Tight Ends!” 😮😅😂😆🤣
Laporta was my pet cat for that Draft. Too bad we took Mazi instead. 🥺
Brock Bowers will do something. What he will do is hard to say. He really needs a dynamic OC and tight ends coach and he'll shine.
Eric Ebron went balls deep into Detroit.
And then dropped them when it mattered most.
As a Laporta fantasy owner, I definitely noticed 😂.
Besides quarterback, tight end might take the longest to develope. It doesn't really make the most sense to draft them in the first round because of that. By the time they fully bloom the 2nd team might be the team that reaps all the benefits.
I went to Iowa at the same time as Kittle, and I swear a buddy of mine predicted back then that he would break out and be a star in the NFL. Not sure how he saw it as Kittle had a solid but quiet career with the Hawks, but I'm glad he was vindicated (just wish it could have been with the Broncos...).
We need the video on the new uniforms asap
This could also be a power of small numbers issue. There are very few tight ends period. And very few drafted in the first round. So the last 10 years doesn't really include that many total players at that position in the first round. The prior 10 years included Dallas Clark, Kellen Winslow Jr., Heath Miller, Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Greg Olsen. So a small handful that really excelled from 2003-2013 and a small handful that kind of didn't from 2013-2023. So few data points it's hard to draw a long-term pattern or conclusion.
I never get tired of your content
Tony Gonzalez was a great first round trade up for the Chiefs. Hard to think of another success TE in the first round. Kyle Pitts is the poster child for decent talent drafted way too high.
We could have kept Lock, Harris and Fant, taken Surtain anyway then grabbed Garrett Wilson and Kenneth Walker in the 2022 draft.
It's been proven Fields and Jones weren't worth their mid first round status and Pickett ain't an upgrade on Lock either, certainly not over getting Garrett Wilson.
And who knows, if we'd been looking for a cheap QB we might have grabbed Minshew from the Jags.
I need a TGS about the Broncos trading for Zach Wilson. You're on the clock, Perna!
CheetahTron is a sick name not gonna lie.
Laporta had more TDs in year 1 than Pitts has had in 3 season. 😂
Gronk and Hernandez were a killer combo.
My boy Heath Miller has 2 super bowl rings and leads his franchise for receiving yards by a TE
Heath was awesome
Lions lost a superbowl when they picked Ebron over Donald.
Cheetahtron sounds like a Beast Wars character 😂😂😂
The 1st round TE's aren't cursed they are picked for traits and potential sometimes over the ability to play the position. This happens with WR's, DB's, and Safeties also, for this reason a team can get valuable players in later rounds.
This video reminded me LaPorta was a 2nd round pick, for some reason I thought he was in the 1st round alongside Gibbs. I was so convinced he was breaking that trend of cursed 1st round tight ends that it caught me off guard to realize I was wrong, and instead he's part of the proof being picked in the later rounds is a safer idea. Still is crazy how many Iowa tight ends end up being solid NFL guys.
Tony Gonzalez is a first round TE that worked out
I honestly think the tight end position might completely die out eventually. Their contributions blocking aren't exactly needed as much as before, and the top end guys are really just big WRs. Some offensive guy needs to come up with schemes where you just routinely have a tackle eligible and have the "tight end" be just another bulky slot receiver.
One issue is tight ends are very dependent on offensive lines, those that thrive like Kittle and Kelce thrive, others with poor lines don’t see much of this success, Jaguars and Giants
Nah always wait til day 2 or sign them when that rookie deal is up / trade for them like vikings did with hock.
Why did you have to make any reference to Ebron? It hurts to this day as a lions fan. We didn't need a TE we needed a WR. It hurts to go back and watch the lions drafting Ebron and hearing Mel Kiper say I thought they were going with O'Dell Beckham Jr and know we could have had a WR room with Golden Tate, Calvin Johnson and OBJ buy the lions decided to draft TE who couldn't block with drop issues and promoting Jermey Ross from the practice squad.
No one was getting first-team All-Pro over George Kittle in the NFC, but if Hockinson didn't get hurt, he is probably second team All Pro. Since he did get hurt, however, that honor went to Sam LaPorta.
They should expand the all pro TE selections and the pro bowl too
I think you hit on it with the blocking. I've always felt that TE should be primarily evaluated as an OL/Athlete hybrid. If they can block, you've got something. If they can ball (or learn to,) you've got a bonus. If they can't block, you've lost your running game... which tells on your passing game and so on. BTW- ❤ the channel!
Njoku was a good pick especially since the Browns had 3 first round picks that year
TE's for many years were looked at like running backs today. Unless you feel a player is a special talent most teams will not draft one in the top 2/3rds of the first round.
Bowers is one of those special guys and will probably go in the top 15 this year.
Unrelated to anything, but can we get like monthly Denver meet ups during the season?
Wow perna your hair grew back so fast!!
Greg Olsen. Famously of the 7th floor crew at Miami. Quite the tight end but maybe a better rapper?
Why should he be worried about a tight end hit a thousand yards anyway? If a tight end is hitting a thousand yards then there's something really off with the wide receivers core i think
Mercedes Lewis, god of blocking. 39 and still trying to play another season. Anyways, Brock Bowers is a big slot/H-back hybrid player.
If the cursed jets take a TE in the first round, do the two curses cancel out or is it just a double curse and business as usual on one jets drive?