Davis Mills is the best one. Because he single handily brought 3 franchises a possible franchise qb. That hail Mary last year led to the Bears, Texans, and Colts getting a franchise qb. Give that man a staute
@@jimwerther - Without pass Texans draft first and take Young instead of Stroud. Panthers do better with Richardson who becomes their franchise QB. Young flames out with the Texans like he probably is with the Panthers. Bears don't get first pick because Panthers do better with Richardson. Arguable but that is the reasoning. Not sure who the #2 pick was on Panthers draft board. They could have taken Stroud instead so Richardson ends up with the Colts anyway. Colts probably get a franchise QB either way with Stroud or Richardson.
@@exhaustguythe panthers might not have even traded up to only have the 2nd overall pick. colts would’ve WON that hail mary game and been the 7th pick instead of the fourth and probably not been able to get richardson.
@@exhaustguy bobby slowik would of still done the same for bryce as he did with CJ and if cj was in carolina he would of maybe done better then bryce there but he would of still been in the worse situation
@@dorothymao432 i wish AR15 didnt go to indi tbh such a boring team imo like Steichen is cool but he would of been so nice somewhere else that gets more media attention
That's what scares me for my current local team (Washington) - they're picking #2, and I just feel like there's no way any of the QBs they could take there will actually be the franchise QB they need (and haven't gotten for over 20 years).
What truly puzzles me is why Mac Jones is a mid 1st round pick and Purdy is a late 7th round pick. Looking at their college stats, I am not seeing it. They have similar styles and Jones was passing to much better talent than Purdy (arguably a bit better competition to but the Big 12 isn't the FCS either).
Besides Purdy obviously, Trevor who's still a starter, and Justin who will get a chance to start again eventually, I can't see anyone else from either draft becoming a long term starter for any team unless they pull off some Geno Smith level turnaround in a few years.
Yeah Sam Howell has a better chance than Justin He has shown ability just needs to sit behind a vet Now the division he is in does him no favors now but Sam has a better shot than Feilds
@@picklenik9658 True I forgot Howell. He looked really good the first half of the season. Not so much the 2nd half of the season though. Who knows, maybe he'll take Geno's spot lol.
2021’s QB draft class is probably the worst relative to expectations and where the guys were drafted. What makes it even worse is that it was an incredible draft for other positions which means these teams missed out on them.
Matt Corral was more sad than anything. He struggled with mental health and alcohol in college but was cleaning up and had his best season. Gets injured in preseason whenever he had an actual chance of playing which causes him to slip into a depression, then makes a comeback only for the team to (stupidly) trade up and draft a QB at number 1 then cut him. He starts in the UFL now and seems to be a lot happier
@@archmage7813he means Stroud. But yes, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow (injury), and many more didn’t get good until after their first year.
The problem is too many coaches feel pressured to start their first round picks. I have long argued that no rookie QB should start unless they blow you away in camp.
Best NFL fans want to have a QB’s head if he hasn’t dragged their sorry ass team into the Super Bowl by year 2. Unless it’s Brock Purdy, then people just hate him for absolutely no reason
You literally said at the end what I quoted to one of the local broadcasters on his UA-cam page (1 out of 10 QBs taken in the first round will actually be a franchise QB) - and he said my numbers were off. Yeah, not so much.
Depends on what you consider a franchise QB. Like do you just mean a guy good enough to get a second contract? Or does he have to be a "franchise player," literally a franchise changing QB. If it's the latter, then it's even less than 1 in 10. There's maybe 3 of those guys in the NFL right now. If you just mean a decent starter, it's probably closer to 1 in 2.
@@robertcampbell8070 I just mean a QB good enough that you don't have to go looking for another one. Ideally, it's a QB that a team feels they can either go deep in the playoffs or to the Superbowl with. But, to answer your question, no not really one that needs a "franchise" tag.
I was recently reminded of Ian Book’s existence recently in Madden Franchise mode, when I played against him on the saints. This wasn’t the original Ian Book either, this was an AI create-a-character that was also named Ian book with the same jersey number(#16).
lol it’s a bit less crazy than canadas though . At least nfl players are in their 20s when they come to the show . In the nhl top drafted prospects are just turning 18 it can be absolutely BRUTAL the takes and expectations some of the kids get
It's almost like throwing your fresh out of college QB to the wolves isn't a very good strategy Edit: also some of these guys have only had terrible O-lines that did them no favors either
Yeah I kinda wanna see Howell if he takes any snaps for Seattle this season. I feel like he did reasonably well considering how shitty his team was and draft position.
I've felt this problem started thanks to the Steelers reaching the AFC Championship Game with a rookie Big Ben. He was an immediate contributor, so teams started believing every rookie QB should be that way, completely forgetting that those Steelers were already Super Bowl contenders, & Big Ben was the missing piece. Same situation with Mahomes in KC.
QB is the most mysterious position in football It just all depends on the teams they got drafted by the players around him and the coaches Some players needed a certain coach to unlock there potential Mahomes on the Bears roster would probably be a different Mahomes from today Some QBs thrive year 1 similar to Stroud and others need to sit on the bench first Brady, Rodgers etc..
You would think in a copycat league like the NFL they would take the Chiefs or GB approach and have their rookie QB sit behind an established veteran like Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers. Mahomes is the outlier to end all outliers because the Chiefs built a team before taking Mahomes but I digress.
I still remember watching Purdy his freshman year at Iowa State. He was pretty good obviously he had his ups and downs, but you could see the talent and competitiveness he had. Honestly I was surprised he was "Mr. Irrelevant", which he isn't anymore lol
The way I remember that draft playing out is that Purdy was a first round projected QB at the beginning of the season. He was rather mid that year, good but not great and fell because of it.
This video proves my point, the scouts dont know crap about players, they say this guy will go #1 and he flames out, while a late pick or in this case purdy shows the world, scouts dont know what they evaluate
Let’s give Purdy some credit here. I’m a huge ISU fan, even I was shocked to see Purdy play like this. He’s a smart QB that doesn’t crumble under pressure and it’s so much harder to scout for that than it is to scout a guy with a strong arm
@@lunarumbreon7699 He also plays on the best offense (not counting the QB position) in the NFL. No way he does anywhere close to as well on the Panthers or Jags. Lot of talented QBs end up just never getting the chance because the play for poverty teams.
@@Mr___f the QB position is literally about distributing the ball to better athletes. It’s not Brock Purdy’s fault that he has a good team. Mahomes isn’t taking the Panthers to the Super Bowl. It’s so dumb to say he’s a bad QB just because he’s smart with the football
Brandon makes a great point about how teams will do crazy things when they are desperate to get a quarterback. Chiefs weren’t completely desperate when they drafted Patrick Mahomes since they already had Alex Smith, a solid QB. The Broncos were desperate and traded for (and extended) Russell Wilson.
@@ryanjones875 Never watched him as a 9er. In Reids system he played really solid... his last season with the Chiefs he threw for over 4,000 yds with 26 TDs and 5 ints. He just didn't have 'it' to do anything in the playoffs. Of course he was older and nearing the end of his career with the Chiefs. Even Mahomes had credited him with his mentorship and professionalism.
Another great video Perna. The scariest thing about the Niners is they've made 3 straight NFC championships AFTER fucking up that massive trade for Lance. If they got literally anything out of those 3 first round picks, they should reasonably have a ring or two.
Trey Lance was basically proof the league doesn't understand qbs as it pertains to scouting. Played half a season really. He rarely played past halftime. Had no real tape. Didn't do the All Star games. He played one game in '20. Against UCA. Didnt play well. Then he had a monster combine. I mean "He must be Him." Type performance. A combine baby. It happens way too often. A guy has one excellent day in shorts throwing to wide open guys. Then, he's "high ceiling" or "raw potential". Its an obvious flaw they refuse to deal with.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr it's even crazier than that. You're a fellow tape rat, I'm assuming. You mentioned some things only a rat would notice. 1. Beyond the 0 int, he had less than 10 contested passes all year. That's not just a red flag, that drops you off the board if the scouts understand football. He played in a ridiculously basic scheme. 2. That scheme was because of him. He's not a high IQ player. He never, ever called an audible and check downs were slim to none. Again, a good scout understands that means one of three things: 1. The coaches are ignorant and don't know how to scheme. Not likely considering that HC took over at KSU and has revolutionized that offense. 2. They don't trust him. If you're not giving him options, that's because he can't be trusted to understand when and why. 3. He's an airhead. His interviews confirmed this. Shanahan didn't want him, but McDaniel and the owner were sold. The brass forced the pick. Shanny knew it was a waste from go. In this case it's 2 and 3. He just didn't have it, but because of Wentz and the spotlight on that program (NDSU during the 5 year period from Wentz to Lance lost 0.3 games a year, and, they had more players drafted in that time than the rest of fcs combined) and him going off in Indy, he got the "Needle" treatment. As in they thought they'd found the needle in the haystack. The Lawrence draft had 4 "Needles". Only Trevor remains. Teams feel forced to draft a QB in the first. It's killing the league.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr one more thing: Nobody develops QBs anymore. They just assume they're ready and will grow into it. Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Cousins and Brees all sat a year or more. The NFL did this to itself because of one player: Andrew Luck. He broke the mold and the game as a whole. Everyone is looking for the next Luck. The best "new" QB this year was Love. What did he get to do that the others didn't? Sit and learn. Levis is next.....
with all due respect to every trey lance hater gathered here, HE HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH PLAYING TIME TO JUDGE WHETHER HE IS A BUST OR NOT. i still think after dallas’ terrible “all in” free agency, they should start him over dak prescott and see if he’s the guy. depending on his performance, you either cut dak and build around trey or pay dak and tank for a top 5 pick next year. then again, jerry jones is an idiot who won’t do those things because he doesn’t want his team to be better
He carries the ball like a loaf of bread. HC should make him carry a football everywhere in training camp and have every other player try to punch it out.,
Honestly that's fair. Some of these fumbles were just him dropping thr ball for no reason like against the eagles in that rainy game. if he could just not.. do that.. and throw a few lass interceptions and convert on 3rd down A little more often he'd Honestly be a top 10 qb, like his stats are actually pretty good other than that, and he has a little something, he can definitely be a winner just not fumbling 4x a game
You make a good point about needing about 4 or 5 years to judge a qb I feel like I have a much better grasp on the 2018 qb class than the 2019 qb class
Trevor was having a good season before the injuries started piling up. High ankle sprain, knee sprain, sprained shoulder and a concussion. They were 8-3 and he had something like a 17-7 TD to interception ratio. He had absolutely zero running game and a number 1 receiver (Ridley) that didn’t know the playbook and was constantly running the wrong routes. He also dropped numerous wide open touchdowns. The o-line was statistically the worst in football in pass pro and run blocking. That said, Trevor does need to stop fucking fumbling!!!!😂
Perfect take, I think it's a little bit of hero ball syndrome, needs to protect the ball, not cut inside and try to dive over people like he's cmc or something. It could also be adjusting to the ball, maybe hand size and grip?? Like he didn't do this in college, its like he couldn't fumble and if he did he always got back on it, then he gets in the nfl and takes off to run and just drops it, if I were him I'd honestly just start cradling the ball like a power rb any time he tries to run it. Just to be sure
@@jimbo0386 i truly think he’s just trying to overcompensate for how bad the o-line is. He’s trying to do too much. 2022 showed what he can do if he just has a little time to throw.
@@123shoshan ok? What does that have to do with Trevor? That doesn’t discredit my statement. Burrow also had a much better supporting cast around him in Chase, Higgins and Mixon. He had receivers that could get open early and often when Joe needed them to. Also, I stated that Trevor was playing well and had that team at 8-3 in spite of the bad o-line play. It was when he started getting hurt that he couldn’t mask how bad the line actually was any longer.
The QB's this year are good, but some may fail because they are going to crap teams with no weapons and no O-line Their confidence will get shot and they will fail
Fields is a victim of bad timing since he was drafted by a coach and GM who were both on the hot seat trying to save their jobs. This was mostly because Ryan Pace's roster construction sucked as he constantly traded picks to move up in the draft and only did the bare minimum to improve the o-line and skill positions. And when Pace finally did draft a tackle, he needed back surgery and missed half his rookie season - which has been a recurring theme since the last super bowl appearance for them. Nagy on the other hand failed Justin by putting him in as a starter far too soon against an opportunistic Browns defense led by Myles Garrett while implementing a game plan that envisioned using Andy Dalton passing from the pocket. He got sacked like 10 times in his first game and the sacks never stopped coming. Big Dick Nick Foles who was second on the depth chart should have gotten the start against the Browns and let Justin start against an easier opponent. Nagy continued to not tailor the game plans to Justin's strengths the rest of the season and both he and Pace were gone at the end. Poles has been very diplomatic in his wait-and-see approach to Justin's development, but ultimately his slow development and inconsistent play have led Poles to move in a different direction. I wish Justin all the best in his second chance with the Steelers because he's a good dude with very obvious talent that needs to be harnessed and have the wrinkles in his game ironed out. And I look forward to the dawning of the Caleb Williams era in Chicago and hope that maybe, just maybe fortune smiles upon the Bears at the quarterback position. Even the Cubs eventually won a World Series, no?
Me with a smug grin on my face telling people I told you so/called it with these QBs. And that even goes for Purdy being successful in the NFL! As a Cyclone fan it was easy to call it on him with me watching him in college. And I am smart enough to know why. And no one on here is going to believe me either.
Let me put it this way. 2021 was a very hard year to judge the QB class just because a lot of them played a shortened 2020 season because of COVID-19. I don't blame the scouts for putting guys like Zach Wilson and Trey Lance that high because those guys played more games in 2020 than most of the QBs in that class. The same went for 2022. Although a bunch of highly touted QBs had down years in 2021 which is why they slid in the draft. The 2023 QB class needs time as well, but there's also the feeling that like most times when a QB is considered a bust, it has little to do with him but with how inept those organizations are when it comes to surrounding the QB with a talented Offensive Line. Whats the point of a top QB if he doesn't have a freaking line long term.
Zach Wilson went into a horrible situation. The O-line was awful. Most highly drafted QB’s are going to horrible teams which kills them. While lower 1st round teams don’t need QB’s. That’s why I like the Green Bay model of developing a QB behind another QB. That’s why I wish the Broncos kept R. Wilson and then draft a QB to sit behind him for a year.
@@runriot-ke3cv - Trey Lance had one year at a FCS school and he absolutely needed to hit the ground running with that team. He didn't. I don't think he could process Shanahan's offfense. That was why Shanahan was having him run a QB keeper into the line (the play he got injured on).
What went wrong is too many nfl scouts, and talking heads of the media boosted these dudes up so much for not proving anything. So many came from dominant programs where they really didn’t have to be a smart qb, they just had to deliver the rock- and now they realize that you gotta break down blitzes zone coverages etc…maybe scouts will learn
I think it's worth pointing out that all QB's drafted in the 1st round from the 2020 draft are all starting in this coming season. This could be more exception to the rule though but worth noting. Some teams just suck at drafting too.
Matt Corral looks to get a shot to start Saturday afternoon for the Birmingham Stallions or at least platoon with Jmar smith for starting snaps. I'll be interested to see what he can do!
Blame the fans and owners. Everyone has lost perspective and patience. They think you have to be a playoff or Superbowl team the year you're drafted if you're a quarterback. If you struggle, then you're s bust. Not realizing what entails playing the position. They look at CJ Stroud and think he has to replicate that type of season while not realizing that that's a rarity.
It's not fans and owners. It's the market..after Rookie deals, QBs are expensive. The most expensive contracts with most guaranteed money. Market and cap space pretty much forces teams to make hard decisions after a few seasons.
As one those much hated Vikings fans i still love your content. What your saying here is exactly what ive been trying to tell people. Its my personal feeling that Denver may possibly end up looking like draft day kings down the road by ending up with the 5th or 6th QB. If you look at the last 20 years of drafts you have almost as many hits in rounds 2-5 as you do in the first. The highest draft position would probably be Josh Allen and he wasn't even taken in the top five. All this trade up and qb run talk feels like insanity. Maybe the nfl should rename this years draft to "your hitting yourself, quit hitting yourself, why are you still hitting yourself?"
10:25 I think you really hit the nail on the head there. Teams always seem wowed by QBs "awesome college production" and stats...and it's like well yeah half of CFB games have videogame numbers. Can they play accordingly when the other team is much better than theirs? XD
Ironically, the guys who've benefited the most are the mid-level/journeymen QBs (guys like Minshew, Brisett, maybe Flacco) since teams seem so trigger happy with moving on from the young ones when they're not working right from the start.
“If we see 5 qbs taken in the 2024 draft im scared ill be making the same video in 2 years” -fast forward to 6 qbs going in the top 12 with 2 outrageous reaches and qb where nobody knows why people really like him
The funniest part about Desmond Ridder is that he was traded for Róndale Moore. They both went to high school in Kentucky and played rivals against one another 🤣
People forget how many guys don’t work out. If there’s 5 QB’s drafted in the 1st chances are only 1 is Great, 1 is good enough, other will be hated by their fans or traded by 2026
Wow! I had absolutely no idea Wilson built his college reputation on that weak of a schedule. I don’t even recall that being a reason for caution in the run-up to the draft.
From what I’ve heard from people in Oxford, Matt Corral has had some real struggles with his mental health. Took a year to find himself. It seems like he’s back on the come up and I really hope he can succeed in the UFL and maybe move into a backup NFL role. He’s a good dude who I hope can find success.
You say the worst thing for a QB is changing coaches/coordinators. Would be interested to see a video on all the coach turnover for Justin Herbert throughout college and NFL
@@pigdroppings seriously. The massive gap of pay is downright criminal. All these new rules and how the league panders to qbs doesn’t help either. If the league pushed for more rushes and defense you’d see a a more spread out cap.
I still think Trevor Lawrence will be a top 5 qb... I just don't think it will be with the Jags. I mean, there are some teams that always seem to have a good QB and some teams that have never had one... It's not a coincidence... Drafting is only half the battle; the other half is properly developing your young QB and building your scheme around his strengths.
Brandon how about Michigan QB coming to D for ‘private workout’. I don’t think so. I think it was a private sit down with Elway, where John explains to the young QB how to kiss off on the team that drafts you and wind up on the team you want to play for.
I agree with Mac Jones on the coaching changes stifling his growth. Look what Alex Smith went through his first 5 seasons. They went through 3 head coaches and 5 offensive coordinators. It wasn't until Harbaugh came along that they found out he was actually very good. I always thought that Aaron Rodgers would have been destroyed by that instead of the star he became if he would have been drafted by the Niners.
one expert said it before the best way to be draft proof is just to trade down and get as many picks as possible. because most people always get them wrong, thats just how math works. so having more picks will shield you from misses. and rookie wage is so cheap, hitting 1 or 2 is save you like 10-15m a year vs veteran pros.
Not a QB but I remember when Chicago drafted a LG out of Wisconsin and moved him to RT and called him a bust after a season. Dude never played RT in his life..🤣
Broncos might honestly be smart to trade up for a qb. Next year there’s a high chance Shedur goes number 1 overall, but also a high chance he pulls an Eli if they draft him
I feel like Denver should sit back and get a QB they like when they get a chance. We are in rebuild mode and it's going to take a few seasons to get out from under that cap so we need to be hoarding all future picks at this point. Besides Denver obviously can't pick QBs so we'd probably wiff anyway, better to take a chance later where just as many star QBs have been found as the first round.
@@tim6454 there aren’t “just as many star qbs” in later rounds though. There’s only a handful of current starter qbs that were taken in later rounds atm. The broncos are honestly more screwed then any atm
Can't wait for the "what happened to the 223 players drafted before Brock Purdy" video
261? I thought he went 262nd
261 purdy was 262
The video will be “what ever happened to brock purdy?”
@@dnaharis7037 So we still living in the fantasy land after 2 seasons?
Purdy is fine now, but when you pay him 60m a year the 49ers will be trash
Davis Mills is the best one. Because he single handily brought 3 franchises a possible franchise qb. That hail Mary last year led to the Bears, Texans, and Colts getting a franchise qb. Give that man a staute
How so?
@@jimwerther - Without pass Texans draft first and take Young instead of Stroud. Panthers do better with Richardson who becomes their franchise QB. Young flames out with the Texans like he probably is with the Panthers. Bears don't get first pick because Panthers do better with Richardson. Arguable but that is the reasoning. Not sure who the #2 pick was on Panthers draft board. They could have taken Stroud instead so Richardson ends up with the Colts anyway. Colts probably get a franchise QB either way with Stroud or Richardson.
@@exhaustguythe panthers might not have even traded up to only have the 2nd overall pick. colts would’ve WON that hail mary game and been the 7th pick instead of the fourth and probably not been able to get richardson.
@@exhaustguy bobby slowik would of still done the same for bryce as he did with CJ and if cj was in carolina he would of maybe done better then bryce there but he would of still been in the worse situation
@@dorothymao432 i wish AR15 didnt go to indi tbh such a boring team imo like Steichen is cool but he would of been so nice somewhere else that gets more media attention
There were 17 QB picked between Trevor Lawrence and Brock Purdy. That’s almost a 1 out of 10 QB hit rate.
@@randombutrelevantpretty real, everyone with two braincells knew the 21/22 draft was pretty qb barren
That's what scares me for my current local team (Washington) - they're picking #2, and I just feel like there's no way any of the QBs they could take there will actually be the franchise QB they need (and haven't gotten for over 20 years).
What truly puzzles me is why Mac Jones is a mid 1st round pick and Purdy is a late 7th round pick. Looking at their college stats, I am not seeing it. They have similar styles and Jones was passing to much better talent than Purdy (arguably a bit better competition to but the Big 12 isn't the FCS either).
And Trevor wasn’t a hit
@@jakedunnegan i stunbeld on this , how you feeling about JD ?
"Most busty QB drafts"
Didn't realize we graded QB's on breast size...
Gardener Minshew clears them all!
underrated comment. lol.
We always did it unofficially...
We're already judging players by the size of their ass, so this is a natural progression.
@@sexgod57ableits the only way
Brock Purdy is like "nah not me. Im no bust" and walks away from the thumbnail.
He is if he never wins a SB with the NIners. They have higher standards there than teams like Cleveland or Chicago do.
@@shawnheidingsfelder8179that wouldn’t be a bust. You can’t be a bust as the last player drafted and as a playoff QB
@@shawnheidingsfelder8179Dan Marino, well known bust
@@shawnheidingsfelder8179last QB in the whole draft literally can't be a bust lol
@@SolaceMcfly Don't tell him that. I want to hear him explain how the last pick could possibly be a bust. . .
Besides Purdy obviously, Trevor who's still a starter, and Justin who will get a chance to start again eventually, I can't see anyone else from either draft becoming a long term starter for any team unless they pull off some Geno Smith level turnaround in a few years.
Ironic you mention Geno, cause the guy with the best chance is probably Sam Howell who’s currently backing up Geno
Sam Howell
Yeah Sam Howell has a better chance than Justin
He has shown ability just needs to sit behind a vet
Now the division he is in does him no favors now but Sam has a better shot than Feilds
@@picklenik9658yeah Howell is more talented than geno.
@@picklenik9658 True I forgot Howell. He looked really good the first half of the season. Not so much the 2nd half of the season though. Who knows, maybe he'll take Geno's spot lol.
Perna is an enigma... That's it I have nothing else to say.
Pernigma
Macorkle was bound to fail with Keemstar as his coordinator.
He was better with Matt Patricia than he was this year.
@@Freddie7191 Hardly, and it ain’t really about the stats with Keemstar, it’s about the curse he brings to all teams who hire him
keemstar😭😭💀💀
@@ancapgrandscribe9546 bro keemstar killed me omg
😂😂😂
2021’s QB draft class is probably the worst relative to expectations and where the guys were drafted. What makes it even worse is that it was an incredible draft for other positions which means these teams missed out on them.
I can’t believe as Jets fan I’ve never caught on to the fact that Zach “Milf hunter” Wilson played for the “Cougars” 😂😂😂
Matt Corral was more sad than anything. He struggled with mental health and alcohol in college but was cleaning up and had his best season. Gets injured in preseason whenever he had an actual chance of playing which causes him to slip into a depression, then makes a comeback only for the team to (stupidly) trade up and draft a QB at number 1 then cut him. He starts in the UFL now and seems to be a lot happier
Historically, franchise QBs don't really "get it" until their third year. This emphasis on WIN NOW rookies is utter stupidity. It's only worked once.
It's never worked. Patrick Mahomes actually sat for a year and learned the game from Alex Smith. All rookies need to learn.
@@archmage7813he means Stroud. But yes, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow (injury), and many more didn’t get good until after their first year.
@@archmage7813no one was talking about mahomes
@@lucyfir2166 you might want to watch that video again
NFL owners not letting their QBs develop is baffling.
Too expensive after the rookie contract
Cos it's the win now mentality. Only one team gets the ring every year. It's like NBA mentality. Smh.
The NFL has somehow gotten worse with rushing talent despite the ever-increasing body of experience to work with...
The problem is too many coaches feel pressured to start their first round picks. I have long argued that no rookie QB should start unless they blow you away in camp.
Best NFL fans want to have a QB’s head if he hasn’t dragged their sorry ass team into the Super Bowl by year 2. Unless it’s Brock Purdy, then people just hate him for absolutely no reason
I'm so happy that Perna actually respects Brock Purdy. If no one else believes in him, at least I have that.
Not the most naturally talented but still a good qb
Bum purdy
@@Bootyeater999system qb Purdy has a top 5 rb top 5 te two top 20 WRs top 10 oline and top 10 defense
@@THFC8you lose all credibility saying system QB.😂Every QB is a system QB
@@Bootyeater999 every qb don’t have a top 5 TE top 5 rb two top 20 WRs top 10 oline top 10 defense either 🤡😂
You literally said at the end what I quoted to one of the local broadcasters on his UA-cam page (1 out of 10 QBs taken in the first round will actually be a franchise QB) - and he said my numbers were off.
Yeah, not so much.
Never, ever pay attention to any mock draft. They are literaly pointless.
@@sweetdaddydee1314So true! Like “ power rankings” just opinions so meaningless in the grand scheme of things🤷🏻♂️
Ft ft no😢😢😢😢 by n.
@@FRANKSNAKE71m . 10:01 10:01 😮 10:01
Depends on what you consider a franchise QB. Like do you just mean a guy good enough to get a second contract? Or does he have to be a "franchise player," literally a franchise changing QB. If it's the latter, then it's even less than 1 in 10. There's maybe 3 of those guys in the NFL right now. If you just mean a decent starter, it's probably closer to 1 in 2.
@@robertcampbell8070 I just mean a QB good enough that you don't have to go looking for another one. Ideally, it's a QB that a team feels they can either go deep in the playoffs or to the Superbowl with. But, to answer your question, no not really one that needs a "franchise" tag.
That 2021 QB Class really shows you how hard it is to develop a QB, Chiefs and Pat just made it look easier.
I was recently reminded of Ian Book’s existence recently in Madden Franchise mode, when I played against him on the saints. This wasn’t the original Ian Book either, this was an AI create-a-character that was also named Ian book with the same jersey number(#16).
He probably would have made a better bookend....than a NFL QB.
America’s favorite pass-time… over hyping teenagers
lol it’s a bit less crazy than canadas though . At least nfl players are in their 20s when they come to the show . In the nhl top drafted prospects are just turning 18 it can be absolutely BRUTAL the takes and expectations some of the kids get
11:37 the hand gesture you made while saying “busty” is why we all love you Perna
It's almost like throwing your fresh out of college QB to the wolves isn't a very good strategy
Edit: also some of these guys have only had terrible O-lines that did them no favors either
Yeah I kinda wanna see Howell if he takes any snaps for Seattle this season. I feel like he did reasonably well considering how shitty his team was and draft position.
Looking at YOU Deshone Kizer 👀
I've felt this problem started thanks to the Steelers reaching the AFC Championship Game with a rookie Big Ben. He was an immediate contributor, so teams started believing every rookie QB should be that way, completely forgetting that those Steelers were already Super Bowl contenders, & Big Ben was the missing piece. Same situation with Mahomes in KC.
QB is the most mysterious position in football
It just all depends on the teams they got drafted by the players around him and the coaches
Some players needed a certain coach to unlock there potential
Mahomes on the Bears roster would probably be a different Mahomes from today
Some QBs thrive year 1 similar to Stroud and others need to sit on the bench first Brady, Rodgers etc..
You would think in a copycat league like the NFL they would take the Chiefs or GB approach and have their rookie QB sit behind an established veteran like Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers. Mahomes is the outlier to end all outliers because the Chiefs built a team before taking Mahomes but I digress.
Its more like a "dontgototheseorganisations", for example the Jets are like a cemetary of talented QBs.
Brandon please. My lunch break is only so long. Stop making so much good content
I still remember watching Purdy his freshman year at Iowa State. He was pretty good obviously he had his ups and downs, but you could see the talent and competitiveness he had. Honestly I was surprised he was "Mr. Irrelevant", which he isn't anymore lol
The way I remember that draft playing out is that Purdy was a first round projected QB at the beginning of the season. He was rather mid that year, good but not great and fell because of it.
This video proves my point, the scouts dont know crap about players, they say this guy will go #1 and he flames out, while a late pick or in this case purdy shows the world, scouts dont know what they evaluate
Let’s give Purdy some credit here. I’m a huge ISU fan, even I was shocked to see Purdy play like this. He’s a smart QB that doesn’t crumble under pressure and it’s so much harder to scout for that than it is to scout a guy with a strong arm
Virtually all starters, save a couple, are 1st round draft picks if not top 10 picks. I would say the scouts do OK.
Never trusted them 😂
@@lunarumbreon7699 He also plays on the best offense (not counting the QB position) in the NFL. No way he does anywhere close to as well on the Panthers or Jags. Lot of talented QBs end up just never getting the chance because the play for poverty teams.
@@Mr___f the QB position is literally about distributing the ball to better athletes. It’s not Brock Purdy’s fault that he has a good team. Mahomes isn’t taking the Panthers to the Super Bowl. It’s so dumb to say he’s a bad QB just because he’s smart with the football
Perna much love for making me laugh on a bad day! You rock. I always knew you would get big when Ryan told me many years ago!
Brandon makes a great point about how teams will do crazy things when they are desperate to get a quarterback. Chiefs weren’t completely desperate when they drafted Patrick Mahomes since they already had Alex Smith, a solid QB. The Broncos were desperate and traded for (and extended) Russell Wilson.
Alex Smith was never a solid QB. Reid had to take out half the playbook to make him look viable. Great guy and though.
@@ryanjones875Alex Smith WAS a solid QB... he was just never a great QB who was gonna take the Chiefs deep into the playoffs.
@@ForsakenWar Sorry, I watched all his games. He was anything but solid. Possibly the most overrated QB of all time. Nice guy, though.
@@ForsakenWar Go back and watch the film. Somehow people forget how he actually played. Set the 49ers back for almost a decade.
@@ryanjones875 Never watched him as a 9er. In Reids system he played really solid... his last season with the Chiefs he threw for over 4,000 yds with 26 TDs and 5 ints. He just didn't have 'it' to do anything in the playoffs. Of course he was older and nearing the end of his career with the Chiefs. Even Mahomes had credited him with his mentorship and professionalism.
Another great video Perna. The scariest thing about the Niners is they've made 3 straight NFC championships AFTER fucking up that massive trade for Lance. If they got literally anything out of those 3 first round picks, they should reasonably have a ring or two.
Trey Lance was basically proof the league doesn't understand qbs as it pertains to scouting.
Played half a season really. He rarely played past halftime. Had no real tape. Didn't do the All Star games.
He played one game in '20. Against UCA. Didnt play well.
Then he had a monster combine. I mean "He must be Him." Type performance. A combine baby.
It happens way too often. A guy has one excellent day in shorts throwing to wide open guys. Then, he's "high ceiling" or "raw potential".
Its an obvious flaw they refuse to deal with.
And having NO INT's for a season is a red flag. No tight window throws. No throws under duress. No resemblance to the NFL game.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr it's even crazier than that. You're a fellow tape rat, I'm assuming. You mentioned some things only a rat would notice.
1. Beyond the 0 int, he had less than 10 contested passes all year. That's not just a red flag, that drops you off the board if the scouts understand football. He played in a ridiculously basic scheme.
2. That scheme was because of him. He's not a high IQ player. He never, ever called an audible and check downs were slim to none.
Again, a good scout understands that means one of three things:
1. The coaches are ignorant and don't know how to scheme. Not likely considering that HC took over at KSU and has revolutionized that offense.
2. They don't trust him. If you're not giving him options, that's because he can't be trusted to understand when and why.
3. He's an airhead. His interviews confirmed this. Shanahan didn't want him, but McDaniel and the owner were sold. The brass forced the pick. Shanny knew it was a waste from go.
In this case it's 2 and 3. He just didn't have it, but because of Wentz and the spotlight on that program (NDSU during the 5 year period from Wentz to Lance lost 0.3 games a year, and, they had more players drafted in that time than the rest of fcs combined) and him going off in Indy, he got the "Needle" treatment. As in they thought they'd found the needle in the haystack.
The Lawrence draft had 4 "Needles". Only Trevor remains. Teams feel forced to draft a QB in the first. It's killing the league.
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr one more thing: Nobody develops QBs anymore. They just assume they're ready and will grow into it.
Manning, Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Cousins and Brees all sat a year or more.
The NFL did this to itself because of one player: Andrew Luck. He broke the mold and the game as a whole. Everyone is looking for the next Luck.
The best "new" QB this year was Love. What did he get to do that the others didn't? Sit and learn. Levis is next.....
Shanahan's biggest failure was drafting Trey Lance.
That whole draft pick and what it cost was an epic fail by Kyle and the 49ers
with all due respect to every trey lance hater gathered here, HE HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH PLAYING TIME TO JUDGE WHETHER HE IS A BUST OR NOT. i still think after dallas’ terrible “all in” free agency, they should start him over dak prescott and see if he’s the guy.
depending on his performance, you either cut dak and build around trey or pay dak and tank for a top 5 pick next year. then again, jerry jones is an idiot who won’t do those things because he doesn’t want his team to be better
I will play QB for only 250k a year, I am a great bargain
Welcome to the Broncos
I'll be your back up and carry the clipboard for $100,000👍
I'll be third string for 10 bucks and a Costco membership
Mann this was a great video a lot of good points
12:15 so Trevor loses his fumbles 64% of the time? Thats > 2x the average of the other 5 worst QBs (27%) ? Thats crazy!
He carries the ball like a loaf of bread. HC should make him carry a football everywhere in training camp and have every other player try to punch it out.,
Honestly that's fair. Some of these fumbles were just him dropping thr ball for no reason like against the eagles in that rainy game. if he could just not.. do that.. and throw a few lass interceptions and convert on 3rd down A little more often he'd Honestly be a top 10 qb, like his stats are actually pretty good other than that, and he has a little something, he can definitely be a winner just not fumbling 4x a game
That was a good episode brother..Mile High Salute from Louisiana
I was at a Broncos v Jets game that Zach Wilson started, we beat Wilson 26-0. Teddy two gloves
You make a good point about needing about 4 or 5 years to judge a qb
I feel like I have a much better grasp on the 2018 qb class than the 2019 qb class
Unfortunately ballooning qb contracts now make it damn near impossible to resign a qb by that point if they surround him with a good team smfh
I never expected in my life to hear "Texas State" from on That's Good Sports
Wow!! What a good deep dive on wilson. That is real reporting!!!
Trevor was having a good season before the injuries started piling up. High ankle sprain, knee sprain, sprained shoulder and a concussion. They were 8-3 and he had something like a 17-7 TD to interception ratio. He had absolutely zero running game and a number 1 receiver (Ridley) that didn’t know the playbook and was constantly running the wrong routes. He also dropped numerous wide open touchdowns. The o-line was statistically the worst in football in pass pro and run blocking.
That said, Trevor does need to stop fucking fumbling!!!!😂
Perfect take, I think it's a little bit of hero ball syndrome, needs to protect the ball, not cut inside and try to dive over people like he's cmc or something. It could also be adjusting to the ball, maybe hand size and grip?? Like he didn't do this in college, its like he couldn't fumble and if he did he always got back on it, then he gets in the nfl and takes off to run and just drops it, if I were him I'd honestly just start cradling the ball like a power rb any time he tries to run it. Just to be sure
@@jimbo0386 i truly think he’s just trying to overcompensate for how bad the o-line is. He’s trying to do too much. 2022 showed what he can do if he just has a little time to throw.
Stop career 85 rating
@@Duuuval23stop joe burrow made super bowl with much worse oline
@@123shoshan ok? What does that have to do with Trevor? That doesn’t discredit my statement. Burrow also had a much better supporting cast around him in Chase, Higgins and Mixon. He had receivers that could get open early and often when Joe needed them to.
Also, I stated that Trevor was playing well and had that team at 8-3 in spite of the bad o-line play. It was when he started getting hurt that he couldn’t mask how bad the line actually was any longer.
It's gunna happen again this year, there will be 5 qbs drafted in the first round and MAYBE 2 will good, but probably only 1
Looking at the 1st round QBs since 2010...only 1 out of 5 look to become 10 year starters.
The QB's this year are good, but some may fail because they are going to crap teams with no weapons and no O-line
Their confidence will get shot and they will fail
Fields is a victim of bad timing since he was drafted by a coach and GM who were both on the hot seat trying to save their jobs. This was mostly because Ryan Pace's roster construction sucked as he constantly traded picks to move up in the draft and only did the bare minimum to improve the o-line and skill positions. And when Pace finally did draft a tackle, he needed back surgery and missed half his rookie season - which has been a recurring theme since the last super bowl appearance for them. Nagy on the other hand failed Justin by putting him in as a starter far too soon against an opportunistic Browns defense led by Myles Garrett while implementing a game plan that envisioned using Andy Dalton passing from the pocket. He got sacked like 10 times in his first game and the sacks never stopped coming. Big Dick Nick Foles who was second on the depth chart should have gotten the start against the Browns and let Justin start against an easier opponent. Nagy continued to not tailor the game plans to Justin's strengths the rest of the season and both he and Pace were gone at the end.
Poles has been very diplomatic in his wait-and-see approach to Justin's development, but ultimately his slow development and inconsistent play have led Poles to move in a different direction.
I wish Justin all the best in his second chance with the Steelers because he's a good dude with very obvious talent that needs to be harnessed and have the wrinkles in his game ironed out. And I look forward to the dawning of the Caleb Williams era in Chicago and hope that maybe, just maybe fortune smiles upon the Bears at the quarterback position. Even the Cubs eventually won a World Series, no?
Me with a smug grin on my face telling people I told you so/called it with these QBs. And that even goes for Purdy being successful in the NFL! As a Cyclone fan it was easy to call it on him with me watching him in college. And I am smart enough to know why.
And no one on here is going to believe me either.
I use that Space Jam reference all the time when I’m talking about someone reaching 😂
Let me put it this way. 2021 was a very hard year to judge the QB class just because a lot of them played a shortened 2020 season because of COVID-19. I don't blame the scouts for putting guys like Zach Wilson and Trey Lance that high because those guys played more games in 2020 than most of the QBs in that class. The same went for 2022. Although a bunch of highly touted QBs had down years in 2021 which is why they slid in the draft. The 2023 QB class needs time as well, but there's also the feeling that like most times when a QB is considered a bust, it has little to do with him but with how inept those organizations are when it comes to surrounding the QB with a talented Offensive Line. Whats the point of a top QB if he doesn't have a freaking line long term.
Sam Howell deserved better
Howell sucks
He’ll get a chance in Seattle.
Sam turns the ball over way too much. He’s nothing more than a decent backup.
@@kc1john SEA Fans are convinced he’s the spawn of Joe Montana, Montana 2.0
@@K1forMVP Geno is better than him and turns the ball over a lot less. That tells you all you need to know about Sam Howell.
Zach Wilson went into a horrible situation. The O-line was awful. Most highly drafted QB’s are going to horrible teams which kills them. While lower 1st round teams don’t need QB’s. That’s why I like the Green Bay model of developing a QB behind another QB. That’s why I wish the Broncos kept R. Wilson and then draft a QB to sit behind him for a year.
So Zach would have done better if he had been drafted by, say, the 49ers...like Trey L... eh, never mind.
Zach's attitude didn't help though. Bro has the vibe of a middle school bully, and his only notable accomplishment is his cougar hunt.
@@runriot-ke3cv - Trey Lance had one year at a FCS school and he absolutely needed to hit the ground running with that team. He didn't. I don't think he could process Shanahan's offfense. That was why Shanahan was having him run a QB keeper into the line (the play he got injured on).
@@runriot-ke3cvThe 49ers have a terrible pass blocking line soooo
All I hear are excuses Brock Purdy literally has a bottom 8 pass blocking line yet didnt get sacked much
What went wrong is too many nfl scouts, and talking heads of the media boosted these dudes up so much for not proving anything. So many came from dominant programs where they really didn’t have to be a smart qb, they just had to deliver the rock- and now they realize that you gotta break down blitzes zone coverages etc…maybe scouts will learn
I think it's worth pointing out that all QB's drafted in the 1st round from the 2020 draft are all starting in this coming season. This could be more exception to the rule though but worth noting. Some teams just suck at drafting too.
Love the content, keep up the awesome work!
11:02 best description of Zach Wilson I’ve ever heard
Bills went through 26 QB’s in 20 years between Kelly and Allen. Been loving the drama from the outside.
Hey Perna, The 6th QB off the Board looks pretty good so far.
Matt Corral looks to get a shot to start Saturday afternoon for the Birmingham Stallions or at least platoon with Jmar smith for starting snaps. I'll be interested to see what he can do!
2:48, they showed a picture of Jake Ehlinhger instead of Sam
Blame the fans and owners. Everyone has lost perspective and patience. They think you have to be a playoff or Superbowl team the year you're drafted if you're a quarterback. If you struggle, then you're s bust. Not realizing what entails playing the position. They look at CJ Stroud and think he has to replicate that type of season while not realizing that that's a rarity.
It's not fans and owners. It's the market..after Rookie deals, QBs are expensive. The most expensive contracts with most guaranteed money. Market and cap space pretty much forces teams to make hard decisions after a few seasons.
The days of developing a quarterback are no more. Even the steelers are moving on from that style. Lost Art.
@@Nick1994H steelers cant develop a QB to save thier lives. they failed kenny and mason...fields is next
QB's who are drafted shouldn't start at least for the first 8 games, they need time to settle in and learn the plays and the players
6:27 shows you just how insane JF1 is. Dude literally only needed a team. I genuinely hope he does amazing in Pitt.
I'm dead serious! There's a street in my neighborhood called "Purdy Lane." I can't drive down that street without thinking about Mr. Irrelevant.
As one those much hated Vikings fans i still love your content. What your saying here is exactly what ive been trying to tell people. Its my personal feeling that Denver may possibly end up looking like draft day kings down the road by ending up with the 5th or 6th QB. If you look at the last 20 years of drafts you have almost as many hits in rounds 2-5 as you do in the first. The highest draft position would probably be Josh Allen and he wasn't even taken in the top five. All this trade up and qb run talk feels like insanity. Maybe the nfl should rename this years draft to "your hitting yourself, quit hitting yourself, why are you still hitting yourself?"
A NFL team drafting a college QB is like a crap shoot....
......with four sides of the dice showing...'snake eyes'.
10:25 I think you really hit the nail on the head there. Teams always seem wowed by QBs "awesome college production" and stats...and it's like well yeah half of CFB games have videogame numbers. Can they play accordingly when the other team is much better than theirs? XD
Some mocks had Malik Willis going 2nd overall. I said if they took him and not Aiden Hutchinson, it would be the most Detroit Lions move possible.
Mac Jones regressed with Matt Patricia as OC and Pickett had Matt Canada. Let's see if either come back once they get to play with a competent OC.
feeling good about any QB going to MN, I think KOC understands the toxicity of the position and will be looking to truly develop whatever QB we get.
Tripped me out seeing Roger Goodell say 2021 in Brandon Perna's voice
It was crazy my freshman year of HS playing against Carson Strong to him now medically retired
I’m glad somebody finally brought it up
Ironically, the guys who've benefited the most are the mid-level/journeymen QBs (guys like Minshew, Brisett, maybe Flacco) since teams seem so trigger happy with moving on from the young ones when they're not working right from the start.
Great video. Subscribed.
Willis finally got his touchdown!!!
3:42 that’s not his draft evaluation, it’s his 1:1 artistic representation of Trey Lance’s hair.
“If we see 5 qbs taken in the 2024 draft im scared ill be making the same video in 2 years” -fast forward to 6 qbs going in the top 12 with 2 outrageous reaches and qb where nobody knows why people really like him
I saw a Zack Wilson jersey here on the slopes of keystone when this came out
The 2024 QB draft class is what everybody thought 2021 would be.
Watching this a month later makes this so much funnier
Why do I love the way Perna says Kenny Pickett so much
The funniest part about Desmond Ridder is that he was traded for Róndale Moore. They both went to high school in Kentucky and played rivals against one another 🤣
I saw “Busty” and I was wondering if I was on the wrong dang app.
Perna out here trying to convince teams that draft before the Broncos to not draft a QB
9:34
What a helicopter move by Zach Wilson
People forget how many guys don’t work out. If there’s 5 QB’s drafted in the 1st chances are only 1 is Great, 1 is good enough, other will be hated by their fans or traded by 2026
Do you remember when you were pissed that the Broncos picked Patrick Surtain over Justin Fields? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Wow! I had absolutely no idea Wilson built his college reputation on that weak of a schedule. I don’t even recall that being a reason for caution in the run-up to the draft.
From what I’ve heard from people in Oxford, Matt Corral has had some real struggles with his mental health. Took a year to find himself. It seems like he’s back on the come up and I really hope he can succeed in the UFL and maybe move into a backup NFL role. He’s a good dude who I hope can find success.
You say the worst thing for a QB is changing coaches/coordinators. Would be interested to see a video on all the coach turnover for Justin Herbert throughout college and NFL
No discussion on Davis "The Neck" Mills who started a whole season? Smh perna
Most rookie QBs need to sit. Mahomes sat. Rodgers sat. Jackson sat. The Manning brothers and Matt Stafford are the exception, not the rule.
The best two QBs were taken 522 picks apart from each other
It’s because qb contracts got out of control. Can’t win when one player cripples your cap. Unless you have mahomes.
There should be a top player cap of not more than 10% of the team CAP.
The QBs are robbing the other players.
@@pigdroppings seriously. The massive gap of pay is downright criminal. All these new rules and how the league panders to qbs doesn’t help either. If the league pushed for more rushes and defense you’d see a a more spread out cap.
I still think Trevor Lawrence will be a top 5 qb... I just don't think it will be with the Jags.
I mean, there are some teams that always seem to have a good QB and some teams that have never had one... It's not a coincidence...
Drafting is only half the battle; the other half is properly developing your young QB and building your scheme around his strengths.
Pro tip: Pee before watching, and/or wear a diaper. You will pee yourself if you are not protected!
Crazy I really thought at least 3 of qbs from the 21 draft would've been superstars by now
@11:00 Couldn't stop laughing
the jets pulled the trigger joke was funny, thank you for sport video poppa
Brandon how about Michigan QB coming to D for ‘private workout’. I don’t think so. I think it was a private sit down with Elway, where John explains to the young QB how to kiss off on the team that drafts you and wind up on the team you want to play for.
I agree with Mac Jones on the coaching changes stifling his growth. Look what Alex Smith went through his first 5 seasons. They went through 3 head coaches and 5 offensive coordinators. It wasn't until Harbaugh came along that they found out he was actually very good. I always thought that Aaron Rodgers would have been destroyed by that instead of the star he became if he would have been drafted by the Niners.
As a North Alabama alum, I am happy to hear their name on your channel.
Roar lions
“Holy S***, we forgot Skyler Thompson.”
11:26 If you can't beat em, join em Perna!
one expert said it before the best way to be draft proof is just to trade down and get as many picks as possible. because most people always get them wrong, thats just how math works. so having more picks will shield you from misses. and rookie wage is so cheap, hitting 1 or 2 is save you like 10-15m a year vs veteran pros.
FYI: You mentioned Ian Book is not on a roster - but KC actually signed him (for some reason) this offseason.
Not a QB but I remember when Chicago drafted a LG out of Wisconsin and moved him to RT and called him a bust after a season.
Dude never played RT in his life..🤣
Who was this?
It’s kinda funny to think that if the Panthers weren’t terrible that Justin Fields might still be in Chicago
Broncos might honestly be smart to trade up for a qb. Next year there’s a high chance Shedur goes number 1 overall, but also a high chance he pulls an Eli if they draft him
I feel like Denver should sit back and get a QB they like when they get a chance. We are in rebuild mode and it's going to take a few seasons to get out from under that cap so we need to be hoarding all future picks at this point. Besides Denver obviously can't pick QBs so we'd probably wiff anyway, better to take a chance later where just as many star QBs have been found as the first round.
@@tim6454 there aren’t “just as many star qbs” in later rounds though. There’s only a handful of current starter qbs that were taken in later rounds atm. The broncos are honestly more screwed then any atm