Mikhaila Peterson | Beyond Meat Debate | Opposition (3/7) | Oxford Union
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In the wake of damning new evidence, the contribution of meat consumption to carbon emissions is at the forefront of global conversations. In this debate, fears of environmental damage and ethical concerns for animal rights clash with millions within the meat industry facing unemployment, religious and cultural traditions being condemned, and those with medical requirements risking disapproval for putting their health first. In light of these competing concerns, we must confront one of the most urgent issues of our time: should society finally move beyond meat?
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Proposition Speakers
1. Heather Mills
Former model, businesswoman, media personality, and activist. She launched VBites, a vegan food company, and plans to create a ‘vegan Silicon Valley’ in the North of England.
2. Professor Jeff McMahan
White’s Professor of Moral Philosophy at the University of Oxford and author of The Meat Eaters. He has been a vegetarian for more than 50 years and continues to query the ethics of killing animals.
3. Carol Adams
Writer, vegan feminist, and animal rights advocate. She is known for having written The Sexual Politics of Meat: A Feminist-Vegetarian Critical Theory, and was inducted into the Animal Rights Hall of Fame in 2011.
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Opposition Speakers
1. Mikhaila Peterson
Canadian podcaster who runs the blog Don’t Eat That. She eats a meat-only ‘Lion Diet’ and claims this has helped her overcome autoimmune and mood disorders.
2. Peter Stevenson OBE
Chief Policy Advisor to Compasssion in World Farming and recipient of the RSPCA Lord Erskine Award. He was lead author of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation review of animal welfare legislation.
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Thank you so much for inviting me to speak! It was an honor.
DZ333 xD
As a Type One diabetic it can be tricky to remove all sugars and carbohydrates from my diet. I am going to start now though! When I eat meat protien, it keeps my blood glucose levels in check. I love that makes me feel stronger! Thank you for your oposition.I first learned of this other option from you father, but your oposition I enjoyed more. My $0.02. Have a great day!
@Mikhaila Peterson I am a vegan for ethical reasons. I'll be the first to endorse meat for anyone that is suffering like you did if that alleviates so much pain! For more fortunate people that have little to lose, which is probably the majority, I'll continue my fight to live ethically and reduce animal consumption. Cheers.
you no your such a gem, god bless you your dad and your family
your work on promoting diet as a remedy for autoimmune symptoms, and depression/anxiety has helped me hugely, thanks, and congrats on a great presentation!
I love that she didn't make herself out to be a victim and gave her solution in a fashion that doesn't make her diet sound morally superior. Emotionally charged victimhood speeches tend to make people not even ask questions, because **obviously** if the solution fixes the emotion it must be **good** for **everyone**
Vegans don't make themselves out to be victims; they are fully aware and acknowledging that such a case is quite the opposite, and that it is THE ANIMALS who are the real victims of this whole process. Learn to think critically.
Who’s here because of Jordan Peterson’s comments on his latest JRE appearance?
I am. Video didn't exist Sunday when I watched the JP Vid.
Beauty attracts first, then we start the debate 😂
I'm still waiting for the woman that he mentioned to make an appearance 🤣
Carol Adams bit just got uploaded. She's the one he was on about.
they cut the debate in 8 parts but didn't post part 2....
I did this for a few months in my 20s and the cellulitis went away. It was incredible.
Big Pharma and the Food Industry never like a message that exposes the truth. Everyone should take control and find what work best for their health. Your message is powerful Mikhalia. Congratulations that you survived such a difficult journey. You are strong!
The food industry? She's saying to eat food
Animal agriculture is EXTREMELY happy she is spreading this misinformation. She wants to reduce suffering yet cares so little about the suffering of sentient beings and the environment. There is endless data on plant based diets and the healing powers it has. Shame on humanity for being so cruel selfish.
@@4doorsmorewhors processed foods
The Food Industry is literally Big Meat, how on earth you'd not notice such a glaring and obvious fact is beyond me. You think the Food Industry is promoting veganism? Goodness me, what delusion. The Food Industry's foremost production comes in the form of animal agriculture. Why do you think industrial animal farming is as rampant and ubiquitous as it is, and why it is rapidly growing constantly in the globalised age? Why do you think this is happening? Do you really think the Food Industry has a vegan agenda? You really think the Food Industry is trying to impose some sort of anti-meat, anti-dairy and anti-egg diet? Goodness me. Learn to think critically. The real dissidents and truth tellers are the vegans, the ones suppressed and smeared by the very same industry whose propaganda you and Peterson have easily fallen for.
I like how Mikayla looks vibrant and healthy, and the vegans look like they're atrophied.
I love how people who have no arguments(or logical capabilities) think that insulting a person makes for one.
@@controlmore8618
It sounds like you're in the vegan hag camp.
This poster simply made a very obvious observation that just about anyone that isn't an absolute lunatic will notice.
Put down the Woke brochures and use your God given common sense. I understand that with leftists it's not all that common, but try to shake off all that brainwashing and indoctrination
@@controlmore8618 not an insult. It's an observation.
@@controlmore8618 1) Welcome to the internet. 2) This vegan argument was pathetically devoid of any logic whatsoever, completely emotional, and obsessed with sexy chicken.
Clearly someone has done zero research on vegan people or athletes. I’m sure she’ll look great when the cancer or coronary heart disease sets in on top of her 3000 other medical issues
Mikhaila, we are SOOOO proud of you and your journey. Yes, regardless of how tired you might be of explaining this once again, we need to hear it. We need you. (and, your Podcast is wonderful).
No.
@@ChillAssTurtle Beyond Meat Ingredients: Malodextrin, Succinic Acid, Asorbic Acid, Acedic Acid, Modified Food Starch, Methyl Cellulose, Potato Starch, Beet Juice Extract,Bamboo Cellulose, Pea protein isolate, Expeller pressed Canola oil, Annatto Extract, Citrus Extract, eRfined Coconut Oil, Yeast Extract, Salt, Glycerin, Natural Flavour
Meat Ingredients: Meat
@@930Tony you don't have to eat them. They're not force fed to vegans 🤣
@@BoshSoldierCarp I know - I eat real meat instead.
@@930Tony Making Meat: Forcibly impregnate, separate children (kill on first days of life if "useless"), condemn to a life of mutilation and exploitation - usually in a cage, send to slaughter house, line up to be murdered, kill with bolt gun or gas.
Making vegan food: Mix some plants together.
Animals aren't products, they are individuals who are sentient with the capacity to experience life through feeling emotions, including pain and suffering. We don't need to eat meat or dairy, or eggs, in doing so you are continuing to cause suffering unnecessarily
Your family has saved a lot of people in the world . Personally I have been woken up by men like your father . A gift to mankind
Hogwash!
Also as a farmer I can tell you that ruminants properly rotationally grazed are very good for soil building.
The best way!
And thus for carbon capture.
Tako je Miroslave, britka sabljo!!
The dairy farms I have known in Ireland were lousy with wildlife. The farmer doesn't object to rabbits or foxes. Not so with a field of crops. Vegans don't like to talk about how many animals have to die for their vegetables to be grown.
@@MarkJones-gt2qd The Irish Dairy and Meat farmers are certainly still lousy with wildlife. A majority of the grains and soy grown on non live stock farms is actually used to feed the farmed livestock. In Ireland we have the lowest percentage of vegetation and trees in Europe due to the current farming practices and OPW Ireland isn't helping either but the latter is a separate matter. I am also sick and tired of seeing the run off from farmland spilling into our rivers and the hedge cutting happening during bird nesting season.
I went through a similar, but much less severe, experience as Mikhaila.
Tried all kinds of diets but my condition just got worse and worse every day.
One day I had a steak, first time in a long time, and I immediately felt better and, most importantly, stopped feeling suicidal.
We owe the cows our gratitude. Maybe they really are sacred. But as food 🐮
@@onlyonewhyphy they can be sacred and edible you know :P
@@onlyonewhyphy For their food, but also for their manure.
Fertile soil can only get achieved with good manure.
@@onlyonewhyphy once upon a time we thanked the animal for their sacrifice. I think if we had to slaughter our own chickens, cows, etc, we'd more appreciate the food on the table. Especially if you've spent years raising this animal. This of course includes vegetables that we grow in our own garden. But the effect on our psyche is more dramatic with the ending of a life. Appreciation and gratitude is something no one will experience when they pick up processed food or order food from a restaurant.
@@Jaze2022 I think you’re right, people are too accustomed to living in sterile cities where they’re not confronted with the concept and natural process of death nearly as much as those who live in the countryside. I think these people have forgotten what it was like for our ancestors, they’ve grown soft under the safety net of society. Death and carnivorism is a natural and even necessary part of life
Growing up, I had nearly every symptom/issue that Mikhaila has describes, minus the arthritis. Switching to a low carb, mostly meat diet has completely changed this for me. It fixed the IBS issues, chronic itching and breaking out in hives , depression, psychosis, etc. I'm an actual functional human being now.
@Crypto Arnold That might be true, but has no bearing on jgo07's personal experience. Learn to listen and not force your opinions on the world. You might learn that everyone is different and require a diet curated for their own needs.
@Link too much carbs eventually makes you unable to handle much carbs.
Self diagnoses and placebo are a powerful thing
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@@cosmickoi7117 absolutely
SO proud of Mikhaila for standing up for the only food I can seemingly eat without feeling weak, bloated, gassy, have terrible rosacea, some sort of scaly dry flaking skin from my face and scalp, heartburn, migraine headaches and extreme lack of convergence with many noticeable moments of forgetfulness. Also 2 nodes in or near my thyroid came up benign after having been on a Ketogenic diet for about 2 years before actually having the ability to have it checked after being made aware of them through an MRI. My mom is 80, currently undergoing infusions to help keep her in remission from stage 4 lung cancer she was diagnosed the end of March last year and she mainly eats eggs and ground beef with the occasional steak I cook and eat when she cares for it. I truly believe it's eating meat, salt and water that gives us life without illness! We are 2 of those who can prove this way of eating works and we don't need processed foods at all let alone some beyond meat, its beyond believable that it can not only have meat in its name but that its kept in the grocery stores freezer not far from where the real meat is kept. Vegans I have known in my life (for myself I was one once upon a time) would freak out if their veggies were anywhere near where meat was prepared or cooked. I know I cringe when I walk by the cooler in Costco and see this BeyondBeliefeBeef there right before the burger patties of real 100% Real Beef!
@euthyphro dilemma I’m going to eat double the meat I was planning today, just for your comment. Some animals eat other animals. Humans are animals. Humans have evolved where we are by eating meat, therefore we are justified in eating meat.
@euthyphro dilemma Animal husbandry can be improved…yes,but stop eating meat altogether…no. We are designed to eat meat just look at our teeth for example.
Many animals are carnivores, are we to curb their eating habits also?
if you are buying your Vegan product from Costco it aint Vegan lol!
@@brianmarshall1762 non human animals don’t have a moral compass. It’s clear you haven’t heard a single argument against ur position have u? Take some time and actually delve into the discourse.. there are plenty of philosophical and health related debates out there…
@@kylehardy2235 I have a moral compass. I don’t torture animals, but I do eat them. They’re delicious. You should try having a moral compass that isn’t stuck on retard. People eat meat. They always have and are meant to. 🍗
When I don't eat enough meat, I get very tired, I loss hair, I get depressed, etc. I have to have meat in my diet.
I did an all meat diet for 3 mm onths and it was deer I hunted and fish I caught, never felt better, just one meal a day, lost fat gained muscle stayed more active.
@euthyphro dilemma your statement that meat is carcinogenic is nonsense! On the major study that concluded this they only asked people if they ate red meat. They didn't enquire into the rest of their diet and how much they drank, smoked and took recreational drugs etc, the study has since been found to be totally wrong and actually the complete opposite to the truth. Maybe in the future they will be able to make artificial meat in the lab but until then its healthier to eat meat than it is be a vegan as most vegan diets are extremely bad for you and they primarily live on high GI carbs and poor protein sources. Also the amount of small mammals, reptiles, birds and insects killed during crop production is enormous.
@euthyphro dilemma all the studies are with people who eat all kinds of food, a lot if it will be processed, especially carbohydrates and not solely meat so they are not accurate and don't tell us anything at all. Carbs cause chaos in the body by reducing vitamin and mineral uptake and also many other undesirable effects and meat does not. All studies on a purely carnivore diets show healthy blood work and desirable effects. The food pyramid was invented by the agricultural industry and not by doctors or scientists, its not a coincidence that the pyramid suggests we eat a high percentage of non-complex carbs that they can grow at a very low cost and people's health has deteriorated since and their weight has increased. I had debilitating and very painful Ankylosing spondylitis and the all meat diet has all but cleared it up, I also lost 30lb in six months, gained muscle, energy and an actual appetite to live for once and not be lay down in agony the whole day. I truly love animals and wish that they were kept and killed more humanely, as they are with many indigenous populations and I try to buy the best I can in that regard. Most vegan and vegetarian diets are appalling for you and unless you literally weigh all the food and have meals with many different nuts, seeds and pulses etc they do not provide enough protein or nutrients to sustain you and due to the high carb ratios it actually harms the body.
@euthyphro dilemma its a dichotomy for sure but it is possible to eat animals and also respect them and treat them with dignity before they are humanely dispatched, its been happening for the whole of human evolution, its only fairly recently that they have been kept in appalling conditions to maximise profits and availability. We are omnivores and again until fairly recently we (most of the panet) lived on hunted meat with a small amount of foraged nuts, fruit etc, living on carbs is killing people. No offense but I'm not going to send you anything, its up to you to find out but no doubt you will just enter another echo chamber that will further reinforce your narrative and ideology. I will concede that its possible that peoples ancestry plays a part in what diet suits you better, its possible that a small percentage of the population would thrive on a plant based diet but it would be very few. One thing that I didn't mention is that many if not most pants have defenses against being eaten and release toxins and cause undesirable effects in the body once consumed.
@euthyphro dilemma one last thing, you saying "we" have far to go is a nonsensical statement. Apart from being incredibly condescending you are speaking for yourself, not me and you're assuming you have all the correct answers and are basking in your incredible morality, do some research first before making such stupid statements and bashing others for their beliefs.
@euthyphro dilemma 🤣🤣
The evidence that saturated fat is good for you is piling up year by year. I initially set out on a keto diet to debunk a book that my mother had badgered me into reading. I thought fine, I will do this thing, it won't make a difference, and we can move on with something real. So I did it... and it did make a difference. More difference than I ever imagined it would. It almost eliminated both my seasonal allergies and my ADHD, not to mention bringing my weight under control. It fixed things that I didn't know were even wrong. Pain disappeared. My sleep improved. My cardiovascular performance improved. Exertion no longer resulted in agonizing lactic acid buildup in my muscles even if I didn't stretch afterward. My reactions to mosquito bites and poison ivy are less extreme. It sounds like a list of total nonsense, and I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't lived it.
We have been operating as if we already know the best diet for humans, despite the fact that epidemiological studies from the last 100 years would illustrate otherwise. A full plant diet is not the answer. I believe there are many shades of acceptable answers based on individual physiology, but those who insist that elimination of animal food must be done for the good of everyone are speaking from a platform of ideology, not facts.
Mediator: "Continue the case for the opposition."
*Yeah, they cut out part 2 of this debate.*
What was part two?
IF you're talking about Carol Adams, she's just a nutter. But you can watch it.
@@BonesTheCat where?
@@BonesTheCat You can say that again. Mikhaila posted Carol Adam's "case". It was literally so woke and had so many radical regressive left cliches in it to the point it sounded totally laughable.
Carol adams part is here. But the first part of opposition is missing
Diversity of opinion is difficult for students to allow themselves to listen to and this speech having to take place, brilliantly displays why.
This was easily the best Mikhaila performance.
BTW the dress was brilliantly appropriate for a formal occasion and her figure looked fantastic in it.
Because she needs an all meat diet, everybody should eat a high meat diet.
@@BradIdeas That depends on whether you see prevention in the same light as cure. Those stats she mentioned have been validated from many areas.
The sad reality being that much of the medical profession is dictated to by non medical "authorities"......
@@BradIdeas @wtf when does she say "everyone must eat a high meat diet" or "do as I say"?
No-when. That particular modus operandi is the province of the woke left.
@@BradIdeas nobody claimed such a dumb statement.
@@BradIdeas you either did not hear her speech properly or you're purposefully misinterpreting it. So which is it: intellectual dishonesty or syraight up lies?
Very well written and executed speech! 1. Captivating with personal anecdote, balanced with plenty of well known facts and statistics from well respected and recent studies. 2. Well reasoned and well supported points about diet, evolution, medicine, and economic situations. 3. Sound logic - no fallacies (at least that I can tell), no personal attacks, no cheap evocations or emotional appeals. Very even-toned even while mentioning personal painful experiences. 4. Concise - no un-necessary information, no use of jargon or highly specialized terms (better than her father in that way lol!), almost no un-natural pausing, repeating, stuttering, or other fumbling with words. Flawless delivery! 5. Well-timed interjections of humor, as well as starting by sympathizing with a member of her opposition in order to ingratiate the audience. Overall a very original angle on this topic, and she's a brilliant speaker. Bravo!
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watch this, and give me ur arguments on why her speech is completely valid.
@@benny.pepper
My comment was about the quality of her speech, not it's validity, but I'll humor you: I saw the video - it doesn't "fully debunk" her speech. The guy points out Mikaila has told half-truth's in the past - sure, I agree. He questions the validity of certain studies she mentions and claims she makes, but not others - fair enough. Hardly a "full debunk" though, especially when she fully acknowledges further study needs to be done.
@@PhilipAdair so what you're saying is that you enjoy white-supremacist animal slaughter and slavery caused by the oppressive patriarchy because i was unable to listen to a genuine story about someone who has suffered through (and overcome) a series of mostly undocumented auto-immune diseases that could prove to be potentially fatal or at least severely debilitating if left untreated ?
(hint: 50% is actually truth)
@@yfa_askar Haha. You funny bro.
What studies?
I'm so sorry for all the pain and loss you've suffered at the hands of orthodox medicine but I thank God that you've found answers. I'm a registered nurse in the US and started on the paleo diet about 9 years ago for many health issues. That was just the start of my journey. This past year I started on keto/carnivore and I've lost almost 40 pounds. That's not all I lost. I lost my left hip pain, joint pains, major depression and anxiety. I still do have issues to work out, but I'm hopeful now.
Might be at risk of coronary heart disease.
@@lanenelson8040 Why? What studies provide evidence that normal, non-excessive meat consumption causes heart disease? Can you back up your claim or are you making unfounded health accusations?
@@rngd0875 whoa. My claims are made specifically for people claiming a carnivore diet is healthy. A carnivore diet is very excessive in meat. I’m vegan but agree that if someone had a balanced diet of plenty of plant foods as well as some animal products they could live healthy and long just fine. But to completely swear off all plant foods I think is completely idiotic. And out of all the research that exists the baseline conclusion is the more animal products in the diet the higher your risk for all various kinds of diseases. Not that you will get them, but the risk is there.
@@rngd0875 Non-excessive? Eating only meat is excessive. Same with being vegan, that too is excessive. On either side they are both unhealthy and versions of extremism. There isn’t one blue zone in the world that is keto or carnivore diet. Want to know why that is? Because it’s not healthy. Mediterranean diet is one of the healthiest diets, and they don’t eat massive amounts of meats.
@@BadMannerKorea I never said massive amounts of meat. That is what I mean by non-excessive. You can eat 3 SMALL meals with meat in them a day. And I never said only meat, but if you ate meat with enough fat on it, you would be alright and a lot better than a vegan diet.
Meat, nuts, and fruit. Maybe chew on a stalk of grass every once in a while. And just because there may not be a "blue zone" in the world that is on a keto or carnivore diet, doesn't mean it is not healthy.
Love that I got a “Beef: it’s what’s for dinner” ad before this lol
Animal torture, heart disease, cancer, and amazon forest destruction: That's what's for dinner.
@@nathanielg.m.888 Cancer can occur in every living cell, bogus arugment, amazon deforestation is indeed a severe issue , heart disease can also occur from eating processed meat replacement.
Not a fan of animal torture but most of your arguments are against bio industry not against the concept of eating meat because there is no argument against that. atleast not a sane one.
@@nathanielg.m.888 Funny how eating veggies makes you to be more negative, bitter person instead those who eats corpses of animal... 🤷♂️
@@nathanielg.m.888 you know how much forests would be destroyed if the world were to live off crops ? They already destroy forests to grow crops like soy and rice not to mention all the animal habitat lost not including the animals and birds killed during harvest. All life needs to death in some form to survive there is no going around this.
@@nathanielg.m.888 why did eating soy make you so resentful? or are you just mad no one gave you medals for not eating meat?
I watched both. I am mostly vegan, for health reasons, was pure vegan for about a year. I have reintroduced meat back into my diet, but am still careful about what meat. I can say, there is a loss of energy with being 100% vegan, at least for me. Her arguement was very good and she addressed the health issues, which was a valid argument. The opposition just blamed white supremacy, racism, this ism and that ism, but never addressed any real health argument, woefully short sighted and lacking in my opinion.
@euthyphro dilemma Again, there is no science to support your claims. Its just overly sensationalized ad hominem juvenile nonsense.
@euthyphro dilemma 1.17 RR ...ie: statistically insignificant. Association is not causation.
Are you deaf? She did not blame white supremacy, she blamed whlte men.
1. You are not mostly vegan, you are mostly plant based
2. The academy of nutrition and dietetics has itself announced that a vegan diet is healthy for all life stages for both men and women.
3 the whole foundation of her argument was anecdotal evidence
@@dhritikalia4393
1. I doubt you want me to call you what I think you are.
2. People like you are the reason others won't even consider being a vegan or reducing meat, because you don't engage in conversation with others, you lecture them.
3. I'll call myself what I like.
4. If you respond back, I will take my filter off.
So grateful for this. She and her family have been a blessing in my life.
Yes, mine too!
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Brilliant! Not all humans have identical DNA and RNA sequences. I have given up carbs and sugars. I'm finally losing weight. I began watching this with a lady complaining about white supremacists and meat. But I am glad to hear this woman, her life challenges and solutions. Thank you.
When going on a meat, paleo or keto diet we forget the foods given up. Living in the west we have so many choices in the grocery store that were not created to be healthy, but to be addictive.
Is she Jordan Petersons Daughter???
Yes.
Yes
@@Anon702Native @Daniel Rooke Thanks 😊
Yes
Even has her own podcast!
Thank YOU Mikhaila! It's thanks to you and your family I no longer have chronic pain in my lower back, knees, ankles, feet and finger joints. AND for the first time in over 15 years I'm seeing signs of hair sprouting, a sign my auto immune disorder of Alopecia Areata is going into remission! On my birthday on 27 September we had our first Spring rains, normally with the first rains I'm in real pain and discomfort. This year - no pain!
Solid points. I would stick to meat, especially after I heard the old crazy woman in that weird dress, talking about everything except facts and studies 😂
I'd like to ask her if she accounted for eating organic instead of just eating non-organic whole foods. I know my body reacts negatively when I put Monsanto ridden foods in it. Also, if she has considered she might be gluten intolerant (though of course herbicides bind to gluten so organic gluten might give positive results).
I’ve been watching you’re videos lately and not just watching but listening to them. I’ve been struggling with type 2 diabetes, neurathepy, depression, high blood pressure, over weight and all I ever get is a refill of my perscription and make sure you pay on your way out. My doctor was quite old and between me and you and every one else, I think he just recently gave up “ leeches “🤭🤭😬😬. I applaud you so much. It’s always been so natural to just accept them saying ,”just keep taking your meds “. No More! I’m tired of this shit, I’m sorry for cursing, but you opened my eyes to look for alternatives. I’ve also been following Dr.Ken Berry, and I really just want to say thank you 🙏 so much. I especially love that I noticed that you answer questions very quickly and honestly. You’re very smart and love your passion!!!!🥰🥰😘😘
I'm a carnivore because of this lady and her fathers story that i stumbled on reading something else, it's changing my life for the better cutting out plants 🙏🏻
It is not a question of meat bad/good, it is more to do with climate/culture and what the traditional population has eaten over the last few hundred years. Southern India have generally a vegetarian diet, they haven't had problems until recently when western eating habits have been introduced. The climate is conducive to growing a fresh supply of fruit and veg all year round, you can pick and eat it on the same day, which is beneficial to the human system. The problem we have now is it is either processed or flown halfway around the world. Also, the soil quality has been reduced, so that a lot of the nutrients from the veg/fruit are of a lot lower standard than 50 years ago.
This comment is self-contradictory. You realize that flying food "halfway around the world" is probably the main problem with the food industry when it comes to contributing to climate change, yet you can't admit that meat is the only possible "local food" for half the year anywhere in the world that doesn't have a tropical climate. Vegans have their avocados flown up to the US from Mexico all year and then complain about my eating meat from local farmers. And unless you live in a tropical climate, don't pretend like you get all your vegetables from local farmers' markets all year, because you don't.
@@Richard.Atkinson Sorry, but I did mention that flying food halfway around the world is a problem. I think your reply has more to do with your dislke for Vegans....although I didn't mention anything about vegans, or avocados. I did say the climate of Southern India is conducive to being a vegetarian(not Vegan), which I think we agreed on. My point was generally that the mineral quality of the fruit and veg that we eat is of poor quality due to soil degredation. So people of colder climates are not getting the mineral quality to supplement their meat-eating diet.
p.s. Please read a post correctly before replying, and I'm not a vegan btw.
@@gandalfthewhite8273 Are you aware that grazing cattle create topsoil and prevent soil degradation?
@@mrxanadu82 Yes you need a pile of s**t to create good soil, but I still don't get what point your making, is it anti Vegan/Veggie?
She looks well and healthy now! I am glad she found something that works.
It's not for everyone, and she is not saying that it should be.
She is just saying that further research should be done in this area.
Exactly but those of us who are prone to depression, auto-immune disease and diabetes do well on low or zero carb diets because our bodies do not metabolize carbs in a healthy way.
After listening to Carol Adams - which blew my mind with how much meaninglessness one can cram in 12 minutes and 52 seconds - your 9 minutes and 29 seconds of coherent, personal, human account was pure bliss. Keep up the good work Mikhaila!
wow, so many people experienced the same autoimmune conditions like me, diet was the only answer.
Yes a Whole Foods plant based diet cures a lot of autoimmune problems. So what’s your excuse
@@veganix6757 No, a meat based diet cures a lot of autoimmune problems. PAY ATTENTION, SOY BOY!
@@danJAHrous a whole food plant based diet cures a lot of autoimmune issues. Science proves this
@@veganix6757 They can both be true, what's the argument. So many damn people act like there is only one thing that can be true at a time.
Just because a meat based diet does cure a lot of autoimmune problems in some people doesn't mean that a whole foods plant based diet can't do the same for others.
Humans aren't all the same. Men differ from women, children from adults, and people from Europe and Russia and the US are different. Different things work for different people. Do you think that you could take someones medication and consume it yourself without negative side effects if you didn't have the thing that the medicine is intended to treat?
@@veganix6757 Evidence please. How many more times do I have to repeat myself to you numpties? Yeezus, get a clue mate.
She's 100% correct. I know a man who suffered with debilitating allergies and multiple problems with his breathing and inflammation of his joints. He bought a piece of land and built himself a little self-sustaining homestead on an acre and a half, where he raises chickens and grows a small garden. He planted some of the store-bought chicken feed and he now grows his own chicken feed and draws his water from an old well he relined and refurbished himself. He grows tomatoes for the vitamin c his meat diet doesn't provide and crushes egg shells for calcium to supplement the chicken's diet. He and his wife have been living this way for years now, and they're BOTH in better health all around, than either of them has been in many years!!! They eat very little of anything but meats of various kinds and vegetables high in vitamin c, and neither of them are suffering from the laundry-list of ailments they had. Everything from arthritis to allergies GONE. Proof positive for me. Kudos to the young lady!!! 100% correct.
What? That´s it? Where is the conversation, the reactions? Just a few edited clips here and there. I thought Oxford was one of the leading Universities in teaching people how to think and debate. They must be afraid of showing us the whole thing UNEDITED.
no need for conspiracy. every debate is released in clips.
@@willx8422 Oh ok, thanks for clarifying. So all this video editing is super normal for them. Gotcha
@@willx8422 But why is it released in clips? For the youtube algorythm? We want to watch it uneditted.
This is a clip! If you want to watch the rest, watch the whole video!!! That's how youtube works to maximise views. Split the whole video into bite sized chunks that appeal to different people. Another clip will be the anti meat argument, and so on.
@@sportysbusiness Other channels upload clips and the whole unedited debates, conferences, podcasts, talks. Here we are getting only "clips", not the whole thing. (And that´s THAT! with a JBP accent)
Eating this way saved my life too!!! I'm in my 8th year of eating mainly fatty meat and like Mikhaila every time I've tried to add plants back in my illnesses would return!!! I don't want to eat this way either but I have to and at this point, my life depends on it!!! I had intestinal bleeding for 33 years, delayed wound healing and open sores chronic pain and sleep apnea and sinus issues, and anxiety and depression to the point of almost giving up... If I would have taken the steroids and methotrexate and other meds like Mikhaila did I'm sure I would have had joint replacements too, my elbow and my ankle snapped just weeks after taking the steroids and I quit taking them and my doctor had no clue that this was one of the side effects... Like Mikhaila I had to figure this out mostly by myself, but seeing her success made me even more confident that I was going in the right direction... Thank You Mikhaila!!!
Read the book fiber fueled it could save your life.
I want to start eating this diet it any suggestcions om how to start
@@lanenelson8040 No, it would probably kill him, as Mikhaila Peterson has explained, wokist muppet. Would you cyber fascists stop with your tomfoolery? You degenerates just make me want to engage in an involuntary, personal, protein spill, in the words of George Carlin. USELESS!
@@danJAHrous Maybe the book is really thick, and if Brian had it ins his pocket, it could block a bullet? XD
@@Praxus42 LOL! I was thinking his skull, actually. Seeing as useful information doesn't seem to be able to penetrate! XD
I have chronic Rheumatoid Arthritis, multiple joint replacements etc. I tried every diet under the sun, none of it worked. I got put on Tocilizumab and it put my CRP and ESR markers down to 1 for nearly eight years. Every single persons health journey is different there is no one right answer. For me meds have worked better than any kind of diet.
Yes, your right each persons healthy journey is different. Thank God for the medical community. Had the same problem, began reading "Back to Eden" which describes treatments like using mix equal parts of herbs etc., I was able to stabilize my problem.
Exactly why you cannot MANDATE any specific treatment.
It worked for my Rheumatoid Arthritis too, 2 years no any meat and i feel great.
Sure, I've changed my diet in conjunction with my meds and have been better off, but diet change on its own isn't going to fix an auto-immune condition. It's simply bad luck mixed with bad genes. I've had periods where the pain I've been in has been so extraordinary bad meds like Tramadol did nothing. However, finding the right combo of which I'm only taking 1 tablet a day, a pain patch and 1 infusion a month has changed my life more drastically than any diet or alternative therapies could of.
@@benkylo8015 Nicely done on figuring it all out. Definitely not easy when the system isn't amenable.
I blame the American food production industry. As far as I know, these issues aren't so prevalent in Europe.
oh they are but here people just keel over and die before they make it to hospital or get a check from a doctor
@@morphtek As an American who expatriated to Europe, I can tell you that I practiced somewhat of an "elimination diet" to reduce or eliminate health issues. After moving to Europe, I can eat anything and be in better health. I have been physically active in both continents.
For someone who eats no veg, she looks pretty damn healthy.
For someone with 2 artificial joints in 1 leg, she's in amazing shape. Pretty perfect shape, really.
who are you to say what the perfect shape is?
@@davideldred.campingwilder6481 He has eyes.
@@chrizzel28 yeah, cock eyed eyes! Gotcha, Soya boy!
@@davideldred.campingwilder6481 a human with an opinion. Also, beauty may "lay in the eye of the beholder" but it is quantifiable and very well understood. Any other interpretation is delusion.
Who is _anyone_ to determine any other persons level of attraction, by your apparent standard? Yet, its vital and ubiquitous in every species living and at one time, dead.
Who are you to question the laws of nature?
@@davideldred.campingwilder6481 Dude I'm gay and even I can tell she's got a good body.
Mikhaila, you are an amazing person and a brilliant speaker. You and your father have helped me and so many other people around the world. Thank you profoundly!
Intelligent woman but why is she dressed like she is going to a high school prom LOL terrible.
Cuz she wants to get lade cuz she's divorced. Plus you tubers want all the attention they can get even if it is negative.
Great speech. Thanks to your dad Jordan and you and Joe Rogan I'm now on a Carnivore diet and already see health improvements. My body was so full of inflammation and painful I was having to get shots in my hips and back from the pain. I'm no longer in pain and am losing weight finally. Thank you Mikhaila for what you do.
Wow that was an amazing speech Mikhaila way to go. Very inspiring and informative.
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I tell everyone I care about how eating mostly beef had improved my life. It is like a miracle. 64 years old and 95% carnivore for 2 1/2 years.
I had severe chronic fatigue syndrome and a mostly meat based diet is helping me recover!
we need cosmicskeptic's floor speech and the 2/8.
Alex would have trashed the opposition :)
Mikhaila would have just stood there with wide eyes " But, but... but.. my anecdotal evidence! "
Minnesota Coronary Survey (NIH-funded)4 A 4.5-year randomized, controlled clinical trial on 9,200+ men and women, to test the hypothesis that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Conclusion: The intervention resulted in “no difference between the treatment and control groups were observed for cardiovascular events, cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality. Note: A 2016 analysis of previously unpublished data from this trial,5 found that “There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol.”
Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) (NIH-funded) An 8-year randomized, controlled clinical trial, on nearly 49,000 women, testing the hypothesis that a USDA diet (Dietary Patterns), reduced in fat and saturated fat from animal foods, can help prevent cancer, heart disease, obesity and diabetes.
Conclusions: The low-fat diet had no effect on risk of invasive colorectal cancer; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on risk of CHD, CVD, or stroke; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on invasive breast cancer incidence over a mean of 8.1 years; The low-fat had a very small yet significant effect in reducing risk of ovarian cancer; The low-fat diet produced a very small (0.5kg), albeit significant, weight loss; A low-fat diet showed no evidence of reducing diabetes risk after 8.1 years.
Processed meat intake and chronic disease morbidity and mortality: An overview of systematic reviews and meta-analyses (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
PLoS One 2019
Conclusion: “Overall, the quality assessments of primary studies of the reviews are generally lacking; the scientific quality of the systematic reviews reporting positive associations between processed meat intake and risk of various cancers, T2D and CVD is moderate, and the results from case-control studies suggest more often a positive association than the results from cohort studies. The overall certainty in the evidence was very low across all individual outcomes, due to serious risk of bias and imprecision.
Effect of Lower Versus Higher Red Meat Intake on Cardiometabolic and Cancer Outcomes: A Systematic Review of Randomized Trials (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.”
Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Cohort Studies (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.”
@@GyulaHorvathGarijin Minnesota Coronary Survey (NIH-funded)4 A 4.5-year randomized, controlled clinical trial on 9,200+ men and women, to test the hypothesis that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Conclusion: The intervention resulted in “no difference between the treatment and control groups were observed for cardiovascular events, cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality. Note: A 2016 analysis of previously unpublished data from this trial,5 found that “There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol.”
Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) (NIH-funded) An 8-year randomized, controlled clinical trial, on nearly 49,000 women, testing the hypothesis that a USDA diet (Dietary Patterns), reduced in fat and saturated fat from animal foods, can help prevent cancer, heart disease, obesity and diabetes.
Conclusions: The low-fat diet had no effect on risk of invasive colorectal cancer; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on risk of CHD, CVD, or stroke; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on invasive breast cancer incidence over a mean of 8.1 years; The low-fat had a very small yet significant effect in reducing risk of ovarian cancer; The low-fat diet produced a very small (0.5kg), albeit significant, weight loss; A low-fat diet showed no evidence of reducing diabetes risk after 8.1 years.
Processed meat intake and chronic disease morbidity and mortality: An overview of systematic reviews and meta-analyses (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
PLoS One 2019
Conclusion: “Overall, the quality assessments of primary studies of the reviews are generally lacking; the scientific quality of the systematic reviews reporting positive associations between processed meat intake and risk of various cancers, T2D and CVD is moderate, and the results from case-control studies suggest more often a positive association than the results from cohort studies. The overall certainty in the evidence was very low across all individual outcomes, due to serious risk of bias and imprecision.
Effect of Lower Versus Higher Red Meat Intake on Cardiometabolic and Cancer Outcomes: A Systematic Review of Randomized Trials (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.”
Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Cohort Studies (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.”
This meat vs beyond it is such confusion. I have a similar story but I had cut meat eggs and milk, my immune system improved basically stopped getting sick, no more IBS more energy and better memory... and unfortunately no matter the research the documentaries and clinicians, I dont seem to find a consistent answer or advise... and that is one out so many other subjects that are influenced by must be lies, profit or error.... who do you go to for accurate information? Where is the data!?! Data from sources that we could eventually trust..
Different people have different biological reaction to different foods. Possibly because of ethnic origins, possibly because of random variables within the human population. Eating meet clearly works for the speaker. Eating other foods agrees with other people.
Try different diets. Find one that your body likes. Not one your taste buds like.
If a diet works for you I it to works.
@@romanbrough it doesn't seem to be followed by any scientific fact as the results seem to have gotten better when she cut Carbs... would simply be fun to get the information to be valid from scientific experiments that aren't often funded by vegan or meat industry.
She's there so they can say they debated it, they don't actually have any interest in what she has to say
I'm behind her all the way, but the anti meat lobby is determined and influential
You should see the speech of other side. It’s pure comedy
@@zsqduke watched them all at this point. 5v2 seemed a bit one sided
The results require further study I love it. If it ain't working do something different I saw from your other video that you did that. Only through struggle do you overcome i see you have done both .McKayla there is enough material in your story to Harpoon the interests of any scientific mind especially anyone interested in curing illness. If it ever gets difficult finding an audience in scientific community then look for scientific community in your audience I am sure your story will help people bless you for sharing it
This speech had me in tears. I had a similar though far less severe experience. Just imagine how many people and kids have immense suffering because they are eating the wrong foods.
Imagine having vegan parents, worse yet if their dietary ideology informs their decision in what foods they should feed their child.
Ethical farming is the solution, not dietary restrictions by government.
@@ares1647 You do know that there are people who have the exact opposite experience? with gastrointestinal problems caused by eating meat specifically? maybe nobody is completely right maybe people can eat what is right for them and what's local.
I have been vegetarian for a while and my mum is vegan. there's nothing wrong with it.
if that had you in tears, wait until you watch slaughter footage and other forms of animal abuse 🤐
@euthyphro dilemma If you end her right now you'll save the lives of 10,000 animals over time. You are completely immoral if you don't.
@euthyphro dilemma Let's say hypothetically that we hypothetically didn't talk in hypotheticals hypothetically. If the 1,000s upon 1,000s of animals that have been harmed by Mikhalia Peterson already really meant something to you, you would have deleted her by now. Your words mean nothing. How many more animals must die for you to act?
Finally. I’ve been looking forward to this
Great job, sister Mik! ❤️🙌🙏
Do you think that was great? Killing animals just for pleasure is not great tho. There are lots of alternatives are there in the form of vegis that can be used instead of meat. Lastly, your viewpoint can hamper endangered species too.
@@tfrtransformer9995 It's not done for pleasure - it's done foe health, sophist.
@Danny I love most foods the same - meat just improves brain/organ function and development and muscle/bone density, etc.
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Can you image a society where obesity and mental health issues weren't big concerns?
Yes, any time prior to the 90s.
Isn't it more that for mental illnesses prior to the 90s mental illness was very under reported and a lot more stigmatised?
@@SkullKing11841 How would you know?
I will say, anecdotally at least, you didn't see as many that appeared to he mentally ill. Most would do their best to fit into society, because life is easier when you fit in.
Now we glorify mental illness. They have TikTok channels with thousands of viewers and we encourage them to go untreated, lest we stigmatize them. He'll, people are even pretending to have multiple personality disorder to get more likes and follows.
So I'd say our whole society is now mentally ill.
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@@SkullKing11841 that's the dogma used to promote the mental health drivel today
I cannot find part 2/8 anywhere. It's supposed to be another opposition.
On the oxford union website, Louise Gray is listed. I'm assuming she was that 2nd speaker. Why hasn't it been uploaded anywhere? 🤔
It was eating meat that made us smart enough to talk stupid about eating meat.
Her speech was balanced, informative, engaging and made actual sense.
made sense? Lmao read any of the papers she citing and you can only laugh.
Actually a lot of people report similar results as her quoted papers.
As someone who values truth seeking, I feel like conversations like these are important. It bothers me that people's emotions corrupt this subject so often. If we can cure disease with diet, who are you to force disease on people because of your emotions?
Well Mikahila has a history of using studys which are just a big joke. Her whole carnivory diet thing is based on studies that are not representative. Studies that gathered data throug self reports on social media. She uses studies, which itself say that they are very flawed and general advise can not be given based on the few findings. I dont disbeliev that it helped her. I trust her experiences. But that does not mean anything. As long as we don't have gerneral proof, this is just a believer thing. And we all know how strong the placebo effect is. I think the talk is not only naive but very dangerous. If she really only eats meat she will die from colon cancer or some other cardiometabolic disease for sure. Its not healthy
@@fritzschnitzmueller3768 Going after Mikahila for spreading dangerous dietary information is a damned joke while McDonalds exists and has the highest gross-income out of any restaurant chain in the world.
@@fritzschnitzmueller3768 since she's on the Internet platform, we'll probably see in real time if that actually happens. As far as I've heard from bits and pieces about her and her father, they do get their medical examination and blood work done quite regularly, which they've claimed to have shown they're at the best health they've ever been in.
@Mikhaila Peterson: Your TED Talk was compelling as well as your side of this debate here - and it would have been a just action for TED to post it. During both talks, the authenticity of your own story and how attentive your audience was came through. Yet the so-called 'opposing' side here was also compelling. As an Independent, meaningful truths were found on both sides - which weren't completely in opposition. She spoke more objectively about some of the carelessness and overproduction that occurs in the meat-growing industry, specifically animal treatment and wasteful killing - and you subjectively addressed meat as an essential healing food for yourself and a large section of the population. Many Independents and Indigenous societies would agree with you both. It didn't even need to be a debate really. Both of your presentations could stand alone with validity on their own. And both are true - meat can heal- which merits many further studies - AND - the corporate industrialization of meats has roots in unconscionable land takeovers that occur as a result of colonialism + many other 'isms.' The elder speaker deserved the same attentiveness as yourself. Unfortunately; as strong as your presentation was, the snickers by you and smug giggles by a few of the audience members - as well as the interruptions - read as rude, disrespectful, unwarranted, and unsportsmanlike. This may not have been your intention, but that's how it read. Continued health to you and Thank you for your story. ua-cam.com/video/79lSqFzHBtc/v-deo.html
Jordan taking a sly photo before the speech, you know he's so proud!
Now that was a powerful argument
Right. About REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE not wyt pipol and the sexualization of meat lol.
Powerful for her at best, not every other meat eater who don't have her issues.
Strong arguement won't change the fact tho.
@@tfrtransformer9995 what fact? i didnt hear a single fact from the opposition or any of the other pro meat debators
@@lejspul7655 just don't be too ignorant. Are you not aware of the fact that green diets are better than meats by far? I can see that you are a driven fellow.
Well done Mikhaila! Your truth is comprensible when you consider the likely foods we have eaten in our long term evolution. Nevertheless it is shocking to many.... after so much pushing for the grain and vegetarian focus and the marketing of convenience foods that are often mostly denatured junk. I do believe you have found out something very significant to improve the health of the people, and that you do not have an agenda in profiting from the sale of manufactured products.
She is a fraud completely disconnected from science.
@@nathanielg.m.888 Sorry, I totally disagree
@@rosiehartmann1747 Scientific consensus of nutrition experts disagree with her. Your opinion is irrelevant.
@@nathanielg.m.888 Strange then that a small subset of people are relieved of a life of chronic illness through this diet. Maybe the scientists needs must look further into this? Nobody would choose to eat only ruminant meat and salt for life and avoid all vegetables and fruits. But that subset of folk who have been completely healed do find this diet to be a better alternative to multiple and often conflicting meds, operations and avoidable suffering. Who, pray tell, has the right to judge them?
I decided to eat one steak for every ridiculous vegan statement I read here. I am now broke🥩
The lab grown meats are probably the best solution. If made affordable/contain the exact same nutrients (which as far as I've heard, they do)
That was a very interesting presentation from Mikhaila. But perhaps the most interesting part of the video was the lack of respect by that cow Carol Adams in at least perfunctorily applauding the presentation. Discourse must start with respect for one's opposition.
I was sick and dying, started a keto/carnivore type diet 3 years ago, have NEVER been as healthy! ZERO illness and Dr visits since!!! We could save so much $ on medical if people ate meat and veggies like we were meant to since the beginning of time!!! Monoculture and factory farms are disgusting, regenerative, humane agriculture is the answer!!!
Factory farms exist because of how high demand for meat is. There simply isn't the land to raise the 70 billion land animals a year without them. You can not oppose factory farming while recommending everyone consumes lots of or more meat, if everyone ate like you there would be more factory farms
@@jes3788 An all-meat diet isn't the answer either. The answer is a diet similar to the Mediterranean; lots of green (fruits and vegetables), nuts, fish and eggs, and lots of olive oil.
@@jes3788 There are an estimated 1 billion ruminant animals, not 70. 75% of meat on the planet is still raised in small traditional farms. Previous to this last century there were approximately 30 million bison roaming the US alone so there is plenty of land because raising ruminants can be done on lands which cannot grow food. You absolutely can oppose factory farming while at the same time recommending everyone consumes meat. In fact, it could be the solution to climate change. Ruminant animals restore and maintain healthy soil which has carbon sequestration capacity that exheeds that of rainforests. I suggest following Soil For Climate to become educated on this.
@euthyphro dilemma More histrionic juvenile ad hominems... surprise, surprise.
Exactly
Whoohooo! Go Mikhaila!! Brave and adding incredible value to society! ♥️ 🥩 ♥️
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Where's the link for the full debate please?
My health is more important than the life of a cow.
This is eye-opening and compelling. I’ve been ethically against meats for years though eat a little. I think I have to rethink my thinking. But a sidenote, it’s remarkable what she went through as a family as well wow. It’s amazing how we can all as a group think things and believe it’s true as I have. At the very least, this deserves attention
After hearing her story I tried a similar diet (not so extreme) and got rid of IBS (after decades suffering it) and other unexplained allergies; I was getting to a point where my hands where swelling after sun exposure; now I´m ok.
Before that my diet was 80 to 90% fruits and vegetables (I really miss them, because I love salads).
Lately I have been adding vegetables and grains to my diet, some I can handle, others (many) trigger my IBS again.
I don´t know if this diet works for everyone, but I´m sure it worked for me.
I started keto a year ago, and it's helped me to heal my gut. The depression is less. I stopped due to sugar addictions and processed food addictions and have damaged my gut. I also wasn't eating meat because of the animals. It isn't worth living a half life. We need to radically change HOW we see and treat animals. They all need to be grass fed and taken care of. How this will happen in real life, I don't know.
@@albertov9664 I love veggies so much so that every now and again i will pick some from my garden where I use no chemical fertilizers or pesticides thinking maybe my reactions that cause me illness are from store bought veggies as I can only otherwise afford, that maybe its chemicals causing the illness and not the actual plants themselves, only to prove myself wrong with setbacks and so much discomfort and other ill symptoms. I feel I am no longer immune to what these plant oxytocins contain. Sad because I love and miss my salads and roasted broccoli.
@@LosingDrea Same here, I also did some research about food allergies and intolerance; it seems like people form certain regions tend to have intolerance (not the same as allergy) to some foods according to their ancestral diets (statistically) (their ancestors never ate it, so their bodies didn´t got used to that specific food).
Turns out my ancestors come from Spain and peach intolerance is not strange in certain regions, guess what, I love peaches, but peaches hate me, it´s one of my IBS triggering foods.
@@albertov9664 I hear you. I feel you and this is why we deserve our side being studied as well.
Ankylosing spondylitis here. Stopped it by cutting out starch completely. Thank god I don’t have to go full on carnivore…
@8:22 Peter's reaction is priceless at hearing the results of the study
There’s no money to be made with a whole bunch of healthy people.
Your thesis was impressively well supported by your anecdotal experience, along with the other points you made. I’m truly impressed by your resilience - it helped you heal yourself. This was moving and informative.
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Her argument was logical, fact driven, but also extremely personal and relevant. One of the best arguments for keeping meat you'll ever hear.
so why not start eating dogs? there might be some benefits to eating dog meat.
@@controlmore8618 if eating dogs helped in medical conditions...all for it
@@controlmore8618in some countries they do eat dogs... and cats. Shit some even eat bugs.
@@controlmore8618 why not eat dirt? It must be good since plants grow out of it. SAVE THE PLANTS! EAT DIRT!
A personal experience is not a fact. But even worse, she also have economic interests in this nonsense of "Lion diet".
A vegetarian is someone who is eating something that can't runaway.
Seems like pharmaceutical companies will hate this approach
Well what a contrasting statement to the vegan lady. Non political, non idealistic, just from the heart, all about real people and truest about making peoples lives better in a tangible way. Well done my dear
Im so proud to have my diet represented like this.
I’ve treated anxiety, depression, fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, and lost 85 pounds on a meat based ketogenic diet.
Meat and fat are not the enemy.
Sugar and carbohydrates are.
I’m the healthiest I’ve been in over a decade.
Meat heals autoimmune disorders and treats infertility!
meat destroys the planet, murders literal trillions of animals. It’s the main cause of deforestation, species extinction, habitat and biodiversity loss, ocean pollution and dead zones, land desertification, and a leading cause of climate change. You can get all those healthy results on a vegan diet. There is NO REASON to eat animals
Meat and fat are not the enemy. (Reference please)
Sugar and carbohydrates are. (Reference please)
Im doing OMAD and eating Keto. Lots of fat meat, eggs, nuts, salads But very little carbs. And I've never felt better in my life.
Where's part 2?
If you don't want to eat meat or use any product whatsoever from domestic animals....apart from wool from sheep....what would happen to most of these breeds....ie if no one ate beef, drink milk, or had leather shoes what would happen to cows. Surely they'd disappear from the landscape here in the UK. Who would breed and farm them if they had no end use. Then you'd get some who moaned their disappearance.
I was born with childhood arthritis this is my story as well I struggled with multiple medical issues throughout my entire life in the end adjusting my diet to meet Dairy eggs extra virgin olive oil MCT oil vegetables that is what I eat and fruit everything is homemade nothing processed I'm down 190 lb this time around this has happened four times in my life so yeah you can only imagine what I've been through between the age of 20 to 32 I had nine abdominal surgeries they're so much more so I totally understand This Woman's Journey
Did they exclude the possibility it might be down to purely vitamin and mineral deficiency? Soil quality is very poor compared to what it once was.
Given her twenty years of visiting every doctor and expert she could find, I'd wager somebody tried feeding her supplements at some point.
People forget that our ancestors were hunters, fishermen, and gatherers. Hunted meat and for whatever they gathered, they cooked without processing and chemicals. I would venture to say that all processed foods have chemicals (not all are listed in the ingredients as they try to keep it low so they're not bound by law) that more detrimental to your health. Your brain is mostly fat so you need fat and it's been found that the best fat is saturated fat from meat. Fat-free foods make up for lack of flavour with sugar and salt. The food industry can be your enemy if you don't watch out. They work with the pharmaceutical industry. Bravo Mikhaila!
Thank you for this simple truth
awesome speech
Lost 75lbs…….in 6 months and reversed Type I I diabetes, high BP, and high cholesterol with CARNIVORE diet alone. Over 2 years later…..still healthy and with normal weight.
Well done! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Literally.
The Harvard research into our need for a high meat diet and our hunter gatherer ancestry points gery strongly to our need for this diet.
4 yrars ago i was pre diabetic, overweight, no libido, acid reflux, high BP, poor bloods, difficulty walking due to snterior compartment syndrome.
For 3 months i went keto . My ability to walk further returned, i started at the gym as my weight started to drop and flexibility returned.
I lost 43lb despite adding muscle.
All my symptoms weny away, i looked years younger.
When i went back to my doctor for a blood test he compared the pre and post results.....he was amazed.
At 64 i was a healthy weight, no longer pre diabetic, my bloods were perfect and he told me i had the BP of a healthy 30year old.
I love meat, and I like hearing the health benefits, but I’d also love to hear some farming and agriculture solutions that could possibly improve conditions for animal farming. I know there is hunting and buying straight from a local farm, but these aren’t available options for a lot of people.
Look into Joel Salatin's regenerative farming. For example, he believes using rotational grazing on healthy, natural grasses we can grow cows not only healthier and more naturally, but also profitably and more sustainably. We have to move towards regenerative agriculture going into the future and can't monocrop and grainfeed forever. Joel's an awesome guy, highly recommend!
@euthyphro dilemma Jesus, you have posted this exact same debunked comment over and over and over again. Get a grip.
What's your stand in this debate then? Who would you support if you were given authority, hypothetically, to implement viewpoint of one of them..
@@tfrtransformer9995 Minnesota Coronary Survey (NIH-funded)4 A 4.5-year randomized, controlled clinical trial on 9,200+ men and women, to test the hypothesis that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Conclusion: The intervention resulted in “no difference between the treatment and control groups were observed for cardiovascular events, cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality. Note: A 2016 analysis of previously unpublished data from this trial,5 found that “There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol.”
Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) (NIH-funded) An 8-year randomized, controlled clinical trial, on nearly 49,000 women, testing the hypothesis that a USDA diet (Dietary Patterns), reduced in fat and saturated fat from animal foods, can help prevent cancer, heart disease, obesity and diabetes.
Conclusions: The low-fat diet had no effect on risk of invasive colorectal cancer; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on risk of CHD, CVD, or stroke; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on invasive breast cancer incidence over a mean of 8.1 years; The low-fat had a very small yet significant effect in reducing risk of ovarian cancer; The low-fat diet produced a very small (0.5kg), albeit significant, weight loss; A low-fat diet showed no evidence of reducing diabetes risk after 8.1 years.
Processed meat intake and chronic disease morbidity and mortality: An overview of systematic reviews and meta-analyses (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
PLoS One 2019
Conclusion: “Overall, the quality assessments of primary studies of the reviews are generally lacking; the scientific quality of the systematic reviews reporting positive associations between processed meat intake and risk of various cancers, T2D and CVD is moderate, and the results from case-control studies suggest more often a positive association than the results from cohort studies. The overall certainty in the evidence was very low across all individual outcomes, due to serious risk of bias and imprecision.
Effect of Lower Versus Higher Red Meat Intake on Cardiometabolic and Cancer Outcomes: A Systematic Review of Randomized Trials (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.”
Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Cohort Studies (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.”
Notice that Mikhaila clapped when Carol Adams finished, but Carol Adams didn't clap when Mikhaila finished. Who's the better person?
Hi bro
@@tfrtransformer9995 Minnesota Coronary Survey (NIH-funded)4 A 4.5-year randomized, controlled clinical trial on 9,200+ men and women, to test the hypothesis that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Conclusion: The intervention resulted in “no difference between the treatment and control groups were observed for cardiovascular events, cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality. Note: A 2016 analysis of previously unpublished data from this trial,5 found that “There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol.”
Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) (NIH-funded) An 8-year randomized, controlled clinical trial, on nearly 49,000 women, testing the hypothesis that a USDA diet (Dietary Patterns), reduced in fat and saturated fat from animal foods, can help prevent cancer, heart disease, obesity and diabetes.
Conclusions: The low-fat diet had no effect on risk of invasive colorectal cancer; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on risk of CHD, CVD, or stroke; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on invasive breast cancer incidence over a mean of 8.1 years; The low-fat had a very small yet significant effect in reducing risk of ovarian cancer; The low-fat diet produced a very small (0.5kg), albeit significant, weight loss; A low-fat diet showed no evidence of reducing diabetes risk after 8.1 years.
Processed meat intake and chronic disease morbidity and mortality: An overview of systematic reviews and meta-analyses (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
PLoS One 2019
Conclusion: “Overall, the quality assessments of primary studies of the reviews are generally lacking; the scientific quality of the systematic reviews reporting positive associations between processed meat intake and risk of various cancers, T2D and CVD is moderate, and the results from case-control studies suggest more often a positive association than the results from cohort studies. The overall certainty in the evidence was very low across all individual outcomes, due to serious risk of bias and imprecision.
Effect of Lower Versus Higher Red Meat Intake on Cardiometabolic and Cancer Outcomes: A Systematic Review of Randomized Trials (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.”
Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Cohort Studies (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.”
What was the results of the vote after the debate?
The Inuit Tribe (which wasn't ever mentioned in this cool video, so i'm just trying to add something) eat Mammal meat plus Mammal fat and fish, which are high in healthy fats too. Hardly any plants are viable for a society in the high Arctic, but they have survived for many thousands of years on the Carnivore diet....very interesting!
8:33 Extraordinary statistics. At the very least there should be further studies.
No no no, we can't have any of that evil patriarchal reason, science and evidence.
Have some lettuce instead 🙂
Those "extraordinary statistics" are taken from a study conducted on social media, where the participants did nothing more than self-report how they "feel" after 6 months on the diet. Nothing scientific about it.
@@imjustalittlebirdytoo So you've proved my point that we need further scientific studies. Thank you.
@@imjustalittlebirdytoo Well, here is some science. Minnesota Coronary Survey (NIH-funded)4 A 4.5-year randomized, controlled clinical trial on 9,200+ men and women, to test the hypothesis that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease. Conclusion: The intervention resulted in “no difference between the treatment and control groups were observed for cardiovascular events, cardiovascular mortality, or total mortality. Note: A 2016 analysis of previously unpublished data from this trial,5 found that “There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL reduction in serum cholesterol.”
Women’s Health Initiative (WHI) (NIH-funded) An 8-year randomized, controlled clinical trial, on nearly 49,000 women, testing the hypothesis that a USDA diet (Dietary Patterns), reduced in fat and saturated fat from animal foods, can help prevent cancer, heart disease, obesity and diabetes.
Conclusions: The low-fat diet had no effect on risk of invasive colorectal cancer; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on risk of CHD, CVD, or stroke; The low-fat diet had no significant effect on invasive breast cancer incidence over a mean of 8.1 years; The low-fat had a very small yet significant effect in reducing risk of ovarian cancer; The low-fat diet produced a very small (0.5kg), albeit significant, weight loss; A low-fat diet showed no evidence of reducing diabetes risk after 8.1 years.
Processed meat intake and chronic disease morbidity and mortality: An overview of systematic reviews and meta-analyses (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
PLoS One 2019
Conclusion: “Overall, the quality assessments of primary studies of the reviews are generally lacking; the scientific quality of the systematic reviews reporting positive associations between processed meat intake and risk of various cancers, T2D and CVD is moderate, and the results from case-control studies suggest more often a positive association than the results from cohort studies. The overall certainty in the evidence was very low across all individual outcomes, due to serious risk of bias and imprecision.
Effect of Lower Versus Higher Red Meat Intake on Cardiometabolic and Cancer Outcomes: A Systematic Review of Randomized Trials (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “Low- to very-low-certainty evidence suggests that diets restricted in red meat may have little or no effect on major cardiometabolic outcomes and cancer mortality and incidence.”
Reduction of Red and Processed Meat Intake and Cancer Mortality and Incidence: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Cohort Studies (Using GRADE systematic review methodology)
Annals of Internal Medicine, 2019
Conclusion: “The possible absolute effects of red and processed meat consumption on cancer mortality and incidence are very small, and the certainty of evidence is low to very low.”
@@trevorp9886 haha touche, friend
Go Mikhaila! You’re a shining example of health and resilience.
Veganism is the future. It's healthier in every facet of life. Save our people and the planet.
@@moonillusions832 Veganism is an ideology. Eat meat, save the humans.
@euthyphro dilemma For humans to survive, we must eat. Some have postulated that eating other animals may have less of an impact on the environment than farming. The effect of farming massive amounts of rice, corn, quinoa, soy and other crops for human consumption also causes incalculable death of smaller animals, including insects, rodents and worms that are displaced from the earth. This is fact. Which animals are more important?
@@vickyt1191 Huh? Eating meat is significantly more demanding on the environment than eating meat. Why do you think scientists/nutritionists are telling people to eat less meat??? Why do you think the Amazon is being deforested?
@@moonillusions832 the Amazon is being destroyed right now for palm oil plantations. Palm oil is in nearly vegan processed foods and cosmetics.
I appreciate your time explain your conditions I didn't know. Strong person.
The best evidence is actually the results you have highlighted in your speech for why we all must reduce are sugars and processed food and return to a meat lead diet.
The consensus of nutritonal experts is that we get healthier the closer we get to a whole food plant based diet. Listen to experts, not frauds like this speaker.
@@nathanielg.m.888 Produce the scientific studies then, SOY BOY!
Very well said! This information is so important! Thank you for being a very capable spokesperson on behalf of meat-eaters everywhere.
If only the information were real...
@@nathanielg.m.888 Provide the evidence to the contrary then, SOY BOY!
DOCUMENTARY ON MAD COW DISEASE
ua-cam.com/video/meYnivLLl-A/v-deo.html
@@nathanielg.m.888 go away soy
Wow! I’m excited that this could really help many people!!
why i cant share clips from this video?
Nice one Mik!