The Totally Quirky Intro of Riri Williams (New Dr. Alpha Comic!)
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Brian Michael Bendis introduces us to the character of Riri Williams in a horrid mess of pros and spine tingling self-indulgence. But at least he knows his audience.
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How do these people get hired? You have officially convinced that you don't need to be the "best" at writing comics. If this is the standard. I've never written a comic and this seems like a common sense thing NOT to do.
Mrs.Huwhite: Yes Riri?
Riri: Can you be racist towards me for special spite points?
Mrs.Huwhite:😐
Riri: "I have to show how special I am and I need a scapegoat for my autobiography, you see!"
Imagine using your intro page for Riri, and suddenly, she becomes suspect #1 as to Tony's death. Boom! There's a story with some bite to it. The police, the public, everyone's unsure what to think of her until she starts using her suit to actually save the day.
That sounds like a more interesting idea.
That could also be used for the development of an antagonist. Maybe someone who was obsessed with tony stark to an unhealthy degree, and twisted any connection Riri had to his death. Basically a deranged wanabe J.J. Jameson.
Now we wave our hands around and shout "Quirky!"
Lollipop Chainsaw Yahtzee reference?
Wow.
@@Changetheling I don't know where LD got the clip. I just know it from lots of Morning Nonsense.
Riri is a perfect example of a villain's journey.
I agree. She would make a good villain, along with the new Aquaman who casually drowns people.
@@acdcljb Wait there's a new aqua man?... And they drown people?!
I find it particularly interesting that every character these people create, or characters created to pander to them, are just pure narcissistic and entitled villains screaming at people that they're the hero and you're supposed to love them. This could be an interesting plot device in a competent story, but they're written completely straight and everyone is just supposed to believe they're the hero because you've been told they're the hero.
It's both kinda sad and hilarious.
More like she is the perfect example of modern western storytelling.
First page. Tombstone with Tony Stark's name on it. Dried out flower bouquets to show it's been some time since he died. Riri touches down in Iron Man costume. Face plate slides back to show her tear-streaked face.
Page 2-3 with Riri in the foreground kneeling by the tombstone we see pivotal scenes from Tony/Ironman's past in the background. One line of dialog. "How did you make it look so easy?"
Set the era, post Tony Stark. Sets the character as still learning but she's somehow failed and is looking for guidance. A person not a Mary Sue.
YES
I think Alan Moore said to analyze what makes you think, "I could've written this."
Many modern characters should take lessons from Jenny Wakeman(XJ-9): The Teenage Robot on where she succeeds in being a heroic teenager that conveys humanity and virtue, as well being adaptable and flexible in almost any genre, she’s the character where you could relate to HER struggles despite being a robot.
Someone like Riri Williams would crumble in comparison cause she’s “relatable” cause of her skin color and a superficial understanding of what a teen is supposed to act, she doesn’t convey humanity with her lack of virtue, she’s hallow.
Nothing says “quirky and insecure” like redundancy and asking “right guys?”
When Y'Boi Zack (Diversity & Comics) started reviewing the Riri comics, he had an idea that Riri would make a better villain than hero. She gets her teacher to tell her that she can't do something so she'll be motivated to do it--out of spite. So her teacher says, "You can't be Tony Stark." Riri steals the equipment to build her Ironman suit when she's going to MIT. And she kinda had the personality of a sociopath rather than a hero. It felt more like she was set up to be a villain--that she had an obsession to replace Tony Stark. She wasn't called Ironheart until a bit later--since Marvel initially wanted to replace Tony Stark with Riri. Eve Ewing (who was hired mainly because she looked like Riri) rewrote Riri's origin so that seeing her friend killed actually inspired her to be a hero.
That's what kills me about Riri. It sounds like she was trying to be super meta and it flopped. You'd have to be kind of off to tell someone "Tell me I suck so I'll be motivated to not suck". That doesn't sound like a person, that sounds like an actor.
@@andrewowens4421 I've known somebody who was like that, but that was because they also knew that their minority status meant they would routinely have smoke blown up their rear--and it's kind of hard to get the motivation to improve if you know your work will be praised no matter what you do. The problem is, that would probably not have flown with Marvel's editorial department, because it's one of those well-meaning (but incredibly harmful!) moves that are done in the name of Diversity, because it's somehow believed to be encouraging & building self-esteem instead of just amazingly, tremendously damaging. People are actually incredibly good at recognizing when somebody is trying to tell them that their poo don't stink---and also consistently will really, REALLY hate that. (It's also one of the best ways to permanently destroy somebody's self-esteem because it ruins their ability to trust any sort of praise.)
"Riri's generic quirky personality"
I had to watch again to catch that burn.
Riri didn't steal Ironman's identity, she stole a Japanese superhero parody film's lead character's identity.
She stole Iron Man’s first.
@@emberfist8347 very true, but at least it was a parody film, not a ripoff character.
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Don't forget that it was a porn parody
@@lowkeyarki7091 i usually remember to mention that
“A character we don’t care about.”
That’s a very good point that made me think that this is writing that expects to be marketed. It fully assumes that Marvel’s marketing team & Twitter will carry the water & do the book’s job of introducing Riri for it. The writing’s job is to make me care about the new character. But with Twitter & “journo” coverage, the audience will already care before the book comes out… right?
Well, it's the easiest way to trip up when creating the next link in a legacy character. If all they are is the legacy's inheritor, why should we care? When I think of legacies done right I think of characters like Wally West, who existed for decades before he took the Flash title, and Tim Drake, but his immediate predecessor as Robin was so disliked that fans voted for his death (even if it didn't stick.)
I like how you said at 4:37 "we don't care who Riri is YET" as if that was going to change later.
Its funny to think Riri would be Iron an even though Rhodey has been Iron man in Tonys absence before.
Honestly, Rhodes is one of, if not, the best candidate as the next Iron Man
I remember there was another IRON MAN monthly going at the same as this one, written by the same guy, but it was Dr. Doom under that armor. I do not know any prior history between Stark and Doom to make him do that.
@@louisduarte8763 Doom has been a sympathetic character in the comics as his motivation aside from getting revenge on Reed Richards was trying to save his mother from Satan. In that Iron Man comic he succeeded at rescuing his mother, buried the hatchet with The Thing (who was apparently the one who sabotaged an earlier attempt Doom made to rescue his mother that led to Doom getting scarred and swearing revenge against Reed who he thought sabotaged it) got his face fixed (again) he basically got a happy ending. And Doom is smart enough to make Iron Man on his own. Frankly if they do Doom in the MCU they should have him Iron Man armor as 15 years is well within the speculated time Tony gave for nations like Iran and North Korea to catch up with his armor in Iron Man 2.
This sounds like fetish writing rather than storytelling
It's not a girl talking in that page, it's a middle-aged man trying to act like one.
@@wojak-sensei6424
That's not creepy at all. And what's sad is there's a trick to writing for girls regardless of their race. And that's to understand how they think and behave. But I've been writing female leads for 19 years after spending possibly an unhealthy amount interacting with the fairer sex.
However I don't think Bendis' intent was to give a character young girls can relate to. I think Literature Devil was right when he said:"this was made for a fragile audience in desperate need of coddling and cheap validation."
It’s Bendis overplaying his ally card trying to show how amazingly not racist or sexist he is by writing a young girl as what he thinks a young girl would be like.
Personally, I would've made Riri's character introduction a little longer, maybe starting out with her trying to fix a piece of tech, getting frustrated with it, and tossing it aside with a curse. Then, because she realizes she really doesn't want to damage machinery she's worked so hard on, she drops to her knees, picks it up, wipes it off, and babbles something like "shit! Sorry, baby, mommy didn't mean it." She carefully sets it down on her work table and considers what to do next. Not only would this set her up as being "quirky" (surely I can't be the only person who talks to inanimate objects like that), it would also establish that she is an inventor and although she is reckless, she is passionate about what she does. Then, Riri goes on to muse that if HE were here, HE would know how to fix it, and HE had faith in her, even though HE barely knew her. She keens the loss of a potential mentor, one she sorely needed when no one else really understood her passion. After all this build-up, it's revealed that HE is Tony Stark. Mike drop. Scene change. We get the sense that his absence means something to her, and so the reader views him as important even before the name drop. After we learn his identity, Riri is now the one whose status is elevated by their relationship because she is the protege of a superhero.
Anyway, that's just my take on it.
The problem with American Comic books is that they reboot the characters every 10 years or so. There's no aging, no mentoring, no retirement, or permanent death. Had Tony Stark aka Iron Man grown too old to put on the suit. Instead sees a promising candidate to sponsor and mentor. Someone that would takeover the mantle and build upon previous works. There's loads of stories to be told.
They started doing that with Superman.
And then they aged up Jon Kent and changed his sexuality.
It wouldn't be so bad if not for the fact that they try to have it both ways. The world ages but they don't, and yet things change and occasionally reboot based on what the writer wants to do rather than how the story is progressing. That's one of my issues with Wolverine. The next writer wants to tell the same story, of Logan going feral and becoming a happier person in the end, to the point that a character was created for the express purpose of ruining Logan's happy relationship and resetting him into angry revenge mode.
Barry Allen was killed off for over 20 real-life years.
Batman beyond did it perfectly
Honestly it's not just American comics tho, they're just the worst example. Gohan should have become the hero of dbz after the cell saga, but the fans demand more fookin goku. Still
“Reboot” is a strong word since that’s only happened 3 times between the two main publishing houses and the inconsistencies in them all make me think you should have stopped in the 70s
Imagine if they’d started with establishing her not as his successor but as someone with enough mechanical skill and character that he trusted her to help maintain his gear and develop/test new gadgets. Then one day Tony announces he’s going out on a mission, she wishes him well and he flies off. Then while he’s gone someone attacks Stark Enterprises, Riri calls Tony to come back and deal with the problem and to her shock finds the line has been disconnected. Knowing that something bad happened to Tony but having the immediate problem of someone still attacking Stark Enterprises Riri would take one of the backup suits, put it on and use it to drive off the attacker.
This actually sounds both interesting and cool and opens up so many stories
The idea of riri isn't that bad of an idea but the execution was just so god-awful and terrible writing that it turned me off of most token character swaps forever
It didn't tear me a way from them but it did hit me hard. I kept running through my head on how her story could be better. She doesn't like shield or wakanda. Showing us why she doesn't like it would have endeared her character. Maybe she was a cyber fly on the wall and saw things she shoundnt had. Maybe she didnt get the full story of something and it colored her visual on the organization. Hell maybe just doesnt like 1 organization with so much reach. Since she was brought in right before hydra cap there could be vindication. Years before she would be maybe 13 when 50 state initiative then secret invasion and dark reign happened. All happened due to major shield involvement trying to wrangle in a superhero community that A. largely didnt need it and b. When it was being handled it was handled in the most terrible way. There are building blocks here for something great. Maybe she doesn't like wakandas culture or history of isolationism. Maybe she grew up around a wakandan spy and something bad happened. They could have made her so much more interesting and gave her valid reasons for these issues. They just didn't and it makes me sad.
She is also pointless. There are two other female tech genius non-white characters with ties to Tony Stark who could have stepped up to be Iron Man. Rhodey's niece Lila Rhodes or Ho Yinsen's daughter Toni Ho.
Toni got a good story in USAvengers but Lila seems to have been forgotten.
Out of all the “All New all different” nonsense characters, the only one I would say has the most potential at being a good established character is Kamala Khan.
All you have to do is.
•Ditch the name Ms.Marvel and give her OWN name with her OWN identity related to her.
•Not letting her Muslim Identity and Hobby be her only defining character traits.
•Giving her a heroic virtue, or a hint of one.
•Maybe change her powers something cooler than stretchy powers and magic bracelets, I’ll let you decide what power she should have.
As for America Chavez, she needs to be scraped, her entire creation is so incredibly superficial not just because of her race and ethnicity, but her powers and place in the universe, she sounds like the most scrapped idea ever. If Doctor Strange MOM is the “improvement” to her character from the comics, even though they still assassinate her despite having so little development, you fail at character creation.
@@rolkflameraven1483 I remember Toni but Lila I can't fathom the last time I heard that name. Though I can see the draw of not making them overly connected to Tony life. Riri can witness and learn without having any ties instead of having other allegiances to other characters. If to use those 2 the question would be why Tony? Why not be under rodes or that village that was ho yin sed Shangri la. With this character we get why not Tony and for Tony he gets oh this is different then having a partner and more like my time with Peter. How do I do this without majorly screwing up her l
@@LegacyComics100 no I think kamala khan should have been pushed deeper into her own story. In one moment she is a human the next she is an inhuman. She fights hand in hand with a literal God. Shouldn't that affect her beliefs. Shouldn't waking up one day and finding out you have a king and a queen and a connection to space aliens change her daily lives. Inhumans didn't have discrimination before the terrigin mists were unloaded on earth. They tried to do give them discrimination but it's hard to take it seriously when you have thousands of humans in the marvel landscape lining up in camps to recieve powers. So ditch that angle. Delve into the fact that she is now a part of a race with higher then she could ever have technology at her fingertips. From training to learning about what she is apart of could have expanded the inhuman brand a great deal. Could have explained or expanded on what plan blackbolt did when he unleashed the mist on earth. Then you have the fan girl angle to her character. The writers shafted her bad on this. She was made right before deku and she could have had that be her fan girling taken to the proper extremes but they lost it. Hell the ms marvel part even has connections to the kree Carol and a connection to the inhumans. Kamala should be the glue to it all. There are paths here and they are being ignored to keep her a street level hero. It's sad because Sam Alexander was done very well. All his connection is is that he's a nova. Dream on what it could be if we had someone who wasn't so tepid with her character wrote her. Plus her powers don't need changing she just needs to think of clever powerstunts. She's a stretch character but she's not exactly doing anything interesting with them since marvel doesnt really try to do interestingthings with those powers.
the pain of the letterer. sadists, all of them...
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Yknow, it just occurred to me that typically it is villains that are introduced like this. Because you don’t see them, they are a mystery, they are hidden, making them ominous.
The dialogue sounds like the writer knows the dictionary definition of quirky but never saw someone who was quirky.
oh no a quirky intro
Defeating the villain is actually super easy, barely an inconvenience 5:00
XD
So you have a comic book character for me?
Oh, it is?
Beating up all the bad guys in one page is TIGHT!
She had to look up a UA-cam video in the middle of the fight, just so she can rocket punch her…
Wait, she’s supposed to be a super genius?
I don't know why, but hearing you say "Super, Special, Awesome" fast, makes me laugh.
I had no idea about this comic (I gave up trying to read Marvel/DC a long time ago), and this intro reminded me why... I may not be a good writer myself, but even I know that was a really bad opening.
The last time I was this early, Riri was still a slur for dummies
“Prediction #1: In the future, authors will take a long time to get to the point. That way the book looks thicker” - The Dilbert Future
For the record I haven't been following the IronHeart storyline.
O.K. for the first panel with Riri, it's unclear whether she's vlogging or posting an entry into a virtual diary. Here's how I would have written each one. *Riri looks into the camera, tears in her eyes.*
Vlog:
"Hey guys, it's your girl IronHeart, I won't be posting for a while. You guys have probably already heard it from the news. Mr. Stark is gone. He was the best teacher I ever had, and I'm going to need some time to pull myself together. Until next, time, peace..."
Diary:
"Riri Williams audio diary: I don't feel like making an entry tonight. The doc says I need to record my feelings, but my feelings are all over the place, so I can't. Mr. Stark is gone, dear diary, what else is there to say?"
I don't like the "quirky" dialog here, a man died and she sounds almost excited, it's weird.
Bonus points for your Mid-Century modern butterfly chair, with optional headrest.
Bendis? He some kind of a writer?
Yeah, he writes comic books.
So this Bendis guy, he writes comic books?
Yeah, Bendis writes for comic books.
Huh, never knew Bendis wrote comic books.
Bendis writing everyone.
I sure LOVE when a THIRD of the video is an AD! Wtf did you just do.
Riri is a villian. She acts like on, but claims to be a hero. Much like captain brie plank larson.
Bendis only created Riri so his adopted black daughters could have "someone to represent them" or some shit like that.
It's the same reason he brutally murdered Peter Parker and shoe-horned in a black Spider-man. Because of his kid and thinking Spider-man needed to be black for representation.
Literally, anyone who is very close to Tony Stark is a better candidate to be the next Iron Man, than Riri Williams.
If anyone should replace Tony as Iron Man, it should be Rhodes, or Peter Parker.
Imagine a storyline where nobody knows Tony is dead, and Peter has to take up the mantle of Iron Man, while also doing his normal Peter shit and being Spider-Man, with the constant running around wearing down on his psyche, slowly breaking him as he tries to juggle three personas at once.
Maybe even have other Avengers not trust him when they find out, or one of Spider-Man's villains finds out about the whole thing and uses it to get under Peter's skin.
@@nicksrandomreviews Now that’s a good idea, is something what the writers of MCU should’ve thought of.
@@magnaknight9252 I couldn't imagine the MCU being creative like that, especially not now. I think they'll just do the same crap they've been doing since Endgame, which even that was meh.
I feel like the MCU needs a reboot, and should just stick to adapting older storylines. Just ignore everything post 2010.
@@nicksrandomreviews how about focusing on people from the multiverses?
I can't wait for Dead Man's Lullaby! Here's hoping you can get it out early just like you intend!
oh my gosh. the video is over, and I not sure if I liked and subscribed!
This makes me wonder what a good example of heavy dialogue in a visual medium is? The first thing that comes to mind for me is the movie Twelve Angry Men. Is there a comic equivalent?
Riri's first line sounds like something Miller would write, but only slightly less repetitive.
Funnily enough, I’ve brainstormed some alternate ideas for Riri’s character. First off, her initial suit is REALLY crude and rudimentary (An idea Wakanda Forever used really well. Second, Rhodey (AKA War Machine) is her uncle, and helps her get her foot in the door to get her hands on some Stark tech (With some supervision, of course. No one would freely give out Stark Industries technology without someone keeping an eye on the person using it.) I don’t recall any specifics beyond that, however.
The Ironheart porn actually has a better well rounded character.
That reminds me, I still need to check that out.
Keep up the good work L.D.
Your videos bring me joy!
Also, if you want your broken sentence, I would actually suggest
"Tony Stark... Iron Man... is...!"
Partly because it says something like what LD proposed, but
1) It leaves the possibility that something happened to Iron Man but Riri knows more about it than anyone else, or suggests that something happened to Iron Man more than just a simple disappearance
2) It sort of plays on the now iconic "I am Iron Man" sentence because from Riri's perspective, that sentence is "Tony Stark is Iron Man."
Sure, it says less, but I'd rather gamble the less is more for this one.
She could have a really cool backstory in the MCU as well: a prodigy of Claw. She could have some real hatred for wakonda and gotten rich/gained the attention of tony stark by doing business with and inventing for claw and his weapons contracts. She could look up to and immensely respect Tony for his work as an arms dealer and after his transformation to iron man, she could look up to him for helping others, but still distastefully continue to make/distribute weapons with claw. Tony could recommend she get out of the business while she can, she makes an enemy of claw and becomes an American educated genius mentored by iron man, meets T'challa and shows an ingrained hatred of wakondans and their king. That same hatred could be used in the black panther movies as a huge building tension for them as characters, hold up a mirror to wakonda and the USA and Tony stark to see this character grow. It would be cool too to see her team up with Peter Parker and they have a moment to reflect on the man who changed their lives and was a mentor to them. So much potential, so much squandered.
Initially I wouldn't like her character as she would follow the Mary Sue supplanting male characters as the M-She-U has the established pattern. But as she develops and shows a real person behind the armor, I could really identify with that.
SO, wait, why WOULD she hate Wakanda, besides just from Klawe's influence?
We all know why these "writers" will always opt to Tell rather than Show and it's because the audience they're trying to pander to doesn't understand nuance and can't formulate their own thoughts based upon inferred information or subtle visual clues. This is one of the reasons why they obsess over fantasy heroes looking, sounding, and acting exactly like they do; they can't understand anything that they haven't specifically experienced. It's so bad that they can't even understand how a similar situation could apply to them unless that situation is quite literally precisely tailored to their exact situation and viewpoint.
So these characters insist on telling everyone exactly what they're doing, how they're feeling, and why they're amazing because the audience being pandered to is incapable of understanding it unless it's expressly spelled out for them.
Is it weird I liked her introduction in Wakanda Forever? At least there she was working to prove herself and then helped to clean up the mess she inadvertently caused with her machine. Oh, and she didn’t take the spotlight away from the title character. Honestly, I thought America Chavez was portrayed fine in MoM (At lest better than I heard she was written in the comics) but I would have liked it if Strange felt more active than passive in the movie where he’s the title character.
Why not just start naming all the character's "Token"?
That's pretty much what all the race, gender, superficial characteristic swap characters are.
The "Iron token", "Bat Token", "Green token", "Super token", "Spider token", a whole 'token' family.
Worked for south park.
I would've liked her a lot more (both in Wakanda Forever & in the comics) if she was sociopathic and an outcast/shut-in, to contrast her genius. And due to this she'd be an anti-hero, the name "Ironheart" giving more "cruelly unhinged" instead of "hopeful & inspiring" vibes.
How about rather than constantly going to detention bc she's bored, she constantly tries to hurt other people or commit arson bc she's bored? The principle saying that to her parents would've come off as much creepier, thus pulling the reader in.
Maybe she uses her suit to carry out deeds from various villains who'll pay her, or maybe she goes after people who bigger superheroes don't pay attention to bc they don't care about the smaller neighbourhoods. Maybe she's in a predicament where she makes parts for underworld criminals (either bc one of her parents are dying & she needs the money or the criminal threatened to kill said parent as blackmail), until she decides to murder whoever she worked for, causing everyone who worked under him to now hunt her down. She needs to be different enough from Tony; I think a version of him who's not so well-off with looser morals would be interesting.
As a black girl, I love morally grey anti-heroes with internal conflict, and the fact that most of them aren't minorities is a bummer. We have enough wholesome black girls, give us something dark.
Edit: I also realised it would be way more interesting if the whole story took place somewhere in Africa, so the poverty, high crime rates & feeling distant from the concept of superheroes would hit harder. Parts of Stark's armor could've fallen or been left behind in the fields after a battle, and Riri could've found & reverse-engineered them from there.
Soon I Will be Invincible was pretty allright. Some problems. The ending felt like the author was tired of writing. The interesting ideas from earlier in the story disappeared, and everything was just 'resolved' rapidly without anything being added.
Riri is a supervillain
Whenever I tried writing a comic script, I worried about coming off as a SyFy original movie. But stuff like this makes me think, maybe I'm overthinking it.
You know, I would have liked to see a story where Tony Stark passes on the mantle of being a hero onto Riri. Though I feel this wasn't handled in a good way, so I'm just left wanting.
Super Special Awesome Attack!
Usually the cut off of a sentence is for a big reveal the next page where the sentence is completed, usually with one word. And the reveal would take up two whole pages of an image to emphasise said sentence.
If Riris cut off doesn't conclude or reveal anything next page then it seems completely pointless.
Another example of 'We made a terrible written Mary Sue character that nobody likes but we'll excuse our own failures by crying racism/sexism"
Looks like, I shoudl not even bother most trying to get new comics of old stories. It looks like a left side meme. Wall of text, no meat, no growth.
It's the M-She-U, what did you expect
It really sucks this happened. Because I used to be a huge fan of bendis. Ultimate Spider-Man, Alias, Jessica Jones, New Avengers, even his more flawed works like Secret Invasion had their moments. But between this, his run on Superman, and his drinking of the woke kool-aid. It just depresses me to no end. It's like seeing an old friend from high school get hooked on heroin.
She’s just not like other girls, Devil. 🤣
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“Super Easy Journalist Mode”
Umm, that’s redundant.
That doctor on page 1 is totally Stanley from the Office
I actually quite like Riri at least in concept. I think it has a lot of potential with the proper writer
Why would Riri be the one who is the "only one" to become Iron Man? Why not Warmachine or Hawkeye or...well ANYONE else other than this hyperactive spaz? Reed Richards. Anyone think he couldn't use a nano suit that could keep up with his stretching? Or be smart enough to maintain it?
seriously though. Hawkeye with a customized Iron Man suit. He'd be able to shoot targets across the curve of the earth with only a suped up bow. Imagine him with a suit.
if only the teacher said you can't live without a brain
Bendis win any prize just show how bend and twisted the standards are nowadays!
The Iron Heart JAV that predated the Iron Heart comic character had better plot.
TIL soon I will be invincible is also a graphic novel
This is just an idea: Why not have Riri Williams be related to James Rhodes (War Machine) and train under Tony Stark after Rhodes dies?
That way you're not taking away from Tony Stark as a character whilst establishing Riri Williams as a new one.
Adding a relative this late is going to take a lot for people to buy. Also it screams Cousin Oliver.
@@emberfist8347 True, but I still find it better than simply replacing Tony Stark because colored girl good, white man bad.
@@emberfist8347 Honestly, you can probably do it smoothly enough in comicsworld to avoid Cousin Oliver, especially if you set it up properly. (Especially if it's something where it makes perfect sense that the family wouldn't talk about, say, the black sheep's many kids by various women...)
@@ryohoshi8445 Unlikely. You can't really add a relative after 50 years and act like they always existed.
@@emberfist8347 You don't act like they've always existed and the people there know. Lost relatives happen. Uncle A-hole might have just decided to never mention that he had a second wife and kids until the funeral where both wives and kids turn up & suddenly you understand why the adults called him an a-hole. Someone you thought was dead turns out to have just been a really lousy letter writer & you only find out because their descendants get in touch. Or maybe CPS took off with Uncle Oliver (maybe simply because his parents didn't fit the social workers' ideas of fit parents) and his kids just tracked down his birth family. Last is an ongoing thing for several minority groups because social services has an unfortunate history of being classiest/racist...
Iron Man has vanished? Well, this sounds familiar,,,
I think Bendis is still in the game, just for the money. Did you read his New Avengers run? All for the money. Its written like a Marvel movie.
Good ole ReRe.
I mean RiRi.
Sometimes I wonder if woke authors think they are paid by the word.
This is why Comicstorians most resent Video on the comic industry felt so dam tone deft
Not recognizing the fall in writer talent and quality, and shady business tactics to put forward the facade of Success...
Like trying to use Manga sales to pad their numbers...
She sounds like a quirky teenager and nothing more. Which would be fine for many genres, but for a superhero? A replacement for a tech hero? A quirky teenage tech inventor would have been better.
And while I'm at it, we have seen so many examples in comics how to do this better. The 'Death of Superman' was followed by 'A world without Superman', showing us the need for Superman and building up the reasons why the people are ready to accept a replacement Superman. In this case? Why not let the replacement see how other heroes struggle to keep up with some of Iron Man's traditional heroes, maybe even fail while she struggles with the decision to take up the mantle, creating/improving her own armor ending the issue with her in the armor. Next issue could see her struggle with being a superhero, the stress of supercombat and asking a seasoned hero for advice. A third issue could have her getting more methodical, using a database to know her opponent, her on-board AI keeping an eye on innocent bystanders and so on. Meanwhile she has some struggles in her family and personal life, something a more seasoned hero can give her some advice on as well? She still has to solve the problems herself. But wasn't that a part for the reason for the Avengers (and the JLA)? Taking on problems too big for any single hero?
True, this is a traditional way to tell the story, but it usually works.
Besides, does anyone remember what Tony did during 'Heroes' Return'? He didn't fight to get his company back. That would have been a waste of his time. He simply founded a new one. Riri is suppose to be smarter than Tony Stark and can't come up with some inventions to market so she is at least financially independent? Can build her own workshop at a more secure location than her family's home (not reading the comic that was what I got)?
Does anyone remember that one panel where they explained how smart Mr. Fantastic and Doctor Doom are? How the University Professors had trouble following their discussions and that when the University's computers weren't good enough for them, they build their own? I have noticed that many writers these days struggle with the problem of depicting super-genius level characters. But we have examples from the past how it can be done.
I don't think it is necessarily a bad idea to start off a comic, even a new character's introduction, in the middle of the action, leaving the reader with a bunch of unanswered questions that serve as a hook for the ensuing narrative.
I think the main problem with Riri's introduction is Bendis completely half-assing it. He doesn't make even the flimsiest attempt to pull in Ironman fans or get them interested in Riri he just want to get to the racebent mantle-swap as soon as possible, with the only draw being that Tony Stark has now been replaced with Young Black Female Supergenius.
basically a selfie with a ton of text, talking about NOT Iron-Man. Nice way to make me want to continue reading NOT Iron-Man.
i could be wrong, but i think that just like movies comics aren't made for their audiences, but for those investing in the product. basically we assume the comic is for us, but it is instead for some investor. this is why one shouldn't buy Marvel, since the comics aren't for us, the readers.
you want a story with a superhero mysteriously being killed at the very start?
Watchmen
The first page with this character breaks rule number 1 of comics for me. Too much dialogue. I'm already someone who doesn't like comics as a format cause I just see it as a weird in-between animation and a book, but nothing turns me off a comic more than dialogue boxes filling two thirds of the page.
I rather rewatch the original Iron Heart than read another Iron Heart comic it's horrible.
I kinda want them to reboot her introduction to fix this character she could be so good and not becuz she a black female but becuz she a young hero
I bet you’re looking forward to Wakanda Forever….
Ok a quirky main character, Instead of the lol-so-random run of the mill "quirky" character let's create an original one. How about Riri never talks, every conversation her side of the conversation is always in thinking bubbles. No one in the story continues the conversations the way she is thinking they are, and you treat every other character as if they're talking to a brick wall and they get annoyed at it. Except when she starts working for Tony at an internship, in which case he fills in her thought bubbles and talks as if he's thinking the same way as she is. You build a relationship with a character, give her a goal and reason to give a shit when Tony disappears, and you have inherit conflict in the fact that she never has conversations with 99% of the cast.
Plus since you gave her a massive negative character-wise readers will be far more forgiving if she's such a damn prodigy mechanic/programmer she can slam out Iron Man suits like they're candy.
The dialog implies she is greatly distressed, but the art conveys nothing of the sort.
I've seen old magazine covers that are more compelling than this.
Ah yes, All New All Different Marvel. Back when they had the biggest racketeering operation to con readers to buy comics that say one thing on the Cover and Title, but then you find a bunch of characters pretending they're the legacy characters; when they're anything *but*.
Bendis was never that good a writer. What he had, before 2009 was a decent set of editors who made him rework his stuff. And let's not forget her origin story, which had her force her white teacher to be racist for her to get motivation to do something with her life. Riri Williams is not a hero, she's a psychopath.
oh... you haven't even covered her origin yet... :D
What's with making characters "quirky?" I mean The Doctor is a very eccentric person. But he's also sad, lonely, and become almost as bad as his enemies if he's pushed far enough.
Illuminati with the whole planet hulk was one big mark on that....and he's got a "handful"(okay that hurts but still) of trouble down the line(painfully)
I really like Riri Williams :)
White guy creates all popular black characters.
Got any plans to talk about Isom? Or am I overestimating its cultural relevancy?
The writing seems so amateurish - did we ever see this kind of extended exposition in ‘Spider-Man’. ‘Super-easy’! Ha! Ha! I’ve been saying, ‘barely an inconvenience’ to people.
Unlike Miles Morales, aka Peter Darker. Riri is an even worse race/gender swapped character. Sony made bank their Spider Verse movie, and normies love this character. Fake Iron Man will not have the same level of success:’
"Peter Darker" that's funny.
sigh, such wasted potential...every time
I honestly think they tried to write the way people speak... Or the way a "quirky genius bored teenager" speaks (and I don't even think any human speaks like that)... Which is a godawful way to write, like _writin' the dang ol' accent_ on a character who has that accent. It's fucking grating and gets old really fast, especially when it's the main character.
Just... Write normal fucking dialogue... People will figure out how quirky and "teenager" is the character without the pointless repetition or the awkward phrasing because most readers aren't absolutely braindead (no guarantee they will remain that way after reading something like this) and comic books are not film or television. There is no "line delivery". There is no "acting". There is only text and drawings, and if you don't make each as clear as possible, then the comic book fails on a fundamental level. You cannot be literal in dialogue, _because there is no one speaking!_ It's a balloon with text, and you're not a court typist trying to transcribe all the "uhm"s and "ehh"s and pauses and sighs found in human speech! Write clearly dammit!!
Hell, I just learned how little are the Eisner awards worth nowadays.
Jesus that ramble was painful to hear, nevermind read
The idea behind Riri Williams is sound. Bendis has 2 daughters who are black, and there were no black teenage female superheroes in the MU. As far as most people know, it's Storm, Misty Knight, the female supporting cast of Black Panther, and that's it. SO Bendis made up Riri Williams to appeal to his kids, which is pretty sweet and I can't get mad at that. However, the execution was flawed. Had Bendis introduced Williams earlier, and had her hang out with Stark for long enough to establish a bond, strong enough for her to take up his armor, that would have made more sense.
You don’t kids could relate to Storm?
@@emberfist8347 I didn't say that.
hard core fans don't like Riri and don't want to see her.
everyone else doesn't care about her. shes box ticking diversity ironman.
pathetic
To me, she's not the next Iron Man. She's just a replacement because Disney is spreading the message of woke agendas and more female empowerment. Parker should have been Iron Man's successor instead of someone like Riri. Riri Williams is just a cheap knockoff and poorly written Marry Sue who should never exist and should never have given the torch in the first place because she never earned it, and it was cheap lazy writing for someone who showed up out of nowhere and claimed to be the next Iron Man when someone else has a much better shot to be his successor in the MCU, especially in the comics when you can have anyone who is the closest to Tony Stark should have been his successor instead of someone like Riri Williams.