The Redemption of Ultimate X-Men
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- The time that Marvel accidentally derailed the entire Ultimate X-Men series and spent the next 3 years trying to make up for it.
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He’s on his “Rise and fall” video title detox, finally.
don't tempt me
@@alexlennenrise and fall of kite man, coming soon
The Rise and Fall of alex lennen
@@4546Bean If only
@@alexlennen*cue your entire audience tempting you*
Alex Lennon is one of the nicest UA-camrs ever. I recognized his voice in a local restaurant and came over to ask for his autograph. He then proceeded to slam my face into the table, and stab my upper thigh with a fork. He then proceeded to beat me mercilessly within an inch of my life. I’m currently recovering in the hospital, and to think some people actually hate a man this nice.
hey.. don't mention it
@@alexlennenNot even to these nice police officers?
Fugo when wrong math answer:
He is british leave him alone its in his nature
Wow such a nice man
With its return, now would be the perfect time for “The rise and fall and rise of the Ultimate universe”.
Imagine the rise and fall of “THE PAUL”
@@nickwang5237Paul. Spider-Man's deadliest foe.
That’s already been done by other UA-camrs
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments It'd be crazy if like a bunch of Pauls from across the multiverse get together Angstrom Levy from Invincible style and try to cuck Peter on a multiversal scale
@@theauthor6669 A multiverse event with Peters teaming up to fight a bunch of Paul's. In the end it turns out that Paul(s) is(are) Mephisto. Whole reason why he wanted to break up Pete's marriage is cause he wanted to get with MJ cause he likes red heads.
Nobody really talks about out the Post Ultimatium era of the Ultimate Universe so I’m glad someone is finally delving into that period.
Right!? So much good stuff there.
@@Jean-Paul-Lane-Valley It’s more of a rehabilitation period.
Ultimatum had awesome art but the story just went south but post ultimatum had some great stories Hickman's ultimates was absolutely phenomenal Read the first issue of ultimate comics ultimates where Hickman and Esad e ribic on art it was phenomenal
And ultimate comics ultimate Thor mini series in my opinion that's my favorite and definitive Thor comic absolutely love it there's a line towards the last issue when they're asking what will he do when when people don't believe him and he says waves brother waves against the Rock of Odin One of my greatest lines I've ever read in a comic book Hickman's awesome when Thor said that and I'm not even the biggest Thor fan I like Thor but I'm more of a Hercules guy but that's an awesome line from ultimate Thor
i remembere it but i just left when they killed Peter IN THE MOST STUPID WAY EVER
That shot of Wolverine outside the cave almost makes you forget everything else about this version of Wolverine
Him dating 19 year old Jean Grey will never not be creepy
@@aguywithalotofopinions412 And that one time he mind swapped with Peter Parker.
@@rosesske2551 DRY REACH! Don’t remind me about that shit
A friend of mine pointed out that there are basically 2 Wolverines in 1610, and you can tell which is which depending on if he has a goatee or not. There's goatee Wolverine, who is Millar's reboot Wolverine that we all hate, and there's non-goatee Wolverine who's just normal Wolverine but in the 1610 universe. It's actually really strange and funny at the same time.
The sad part about the whole "Kitty wins public trust by beating Galactus" bit is that if it were done now (or if it actually happened IRL) then there would be a very large contingent of people accusing the mutants of fabricating the threat, a False Flag, if you would.
I wished something like that would have happened, or maybe they planned something along the lines of that, however, by the time they released the Hunger arc the Ultimate Universe's fate was already sealed.
The 90s miniseries "Marvels" does something similar, portraying the New York public's reaction to the Fantastic Four's first fight with Galactus. They thought it was a hoax or something too
Also. Her being the one to best him out of everyone would probably be considered woke 😅
@@MrBosunDog lmao true
@@MrBosunDogbecause in most instances, especially with a character like shadowcat, would likely be done for woke reasons.
the ultimate universe wasn't my shit but with your videos i started appreciating it
half of this vid is me kinda roasting it lol
@@alexlennenI see a lot of your videos in the same light as Lowart’s Archie Sonic retrospective, where you talk about the bad parts to get people to the good parts
@@alexlennen that's the fun part tho
One thing that'll always sadly taint the way Ultimate handled mutants were having them essentially not be naturally occurring but a by-product of the old super soldier program. That, along with removing Magneto's holocaust backstory, just really sours even the stronger moments.
To be honest the WW2 backstory just make less and less sence due to age gap, like it could have work in 70s and 80s, but in modern times? You want me to belive Magneto is over seventy years old yet only recently he started his mutant supremacy campaign? At some point it just doesn’t add up and creates more unnecessary questions about his backstory. Or worse, add some convoluted retcons to justify it with some age-extending serum bullshit.
To me its better to rid off Holocaust origin and replace it with either Marvel equivalent of it (like how they did with Vietnam in Punisher backstory) or with another more recent case of genocide - its not like we didn't saw lesser horrors than Nazi concentration camps after WW2, sadly
That wasnt always his backstory so...
@@Ocelot835 yeah it's definitely getting way harder to maintain the WW2 backstory due to timeline reasons, but like I said with Nomi, you don't have to use WW2 exactly, just another historical or even fictional event that has the same effect on him. Off the top of my head, Ultimate Magneto's origin story involved Weapon X and killing his own ma, which doesn't really do it for me imo
To be honest, I prefer meta powers not being natural. Makes things far less complicated. Plus, the only reason the x-gene was invented was so Stan and his staff didn't have to come up with different origins per team member. A decision that really has made x-men more problematic then they need to be.
I've never read the ultimate comics, there powers aren't natural? Doesn't that kind of defeat the point in the first place?
Spider-man vs paul is gonna be legendary 😂
I don't think Spider-Man will ever be able to defeat Paul. He's Spidey's deadliest foe and is just too powerful for the wall crawler.
@@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments Nooooo😢
Ah yes.... The battle of the century.
@@kingdon7795 Hey, I want Peter to win but Paul's power scaling is just too much. Who knows, maybe we will get a writer who actually likes Spider-Man one day and Spidey will be able to win one over on Paul... But for right now Peter doesn't stand a chance.
Spider man Slams💯💪🏽👊🏽🕷🕸
Kitty Pryde is my favorite character.
She's just that perfect midpoint in the X-Men that does such a great job of being a link for all the disparate personalities in X-Men books.
I especially love her recent stuff. She had her glory days of Marauders v1 which was just absolutely awesome and gave her an amazing makeover and the best mission/goal she's had since DOFP, and then in the Fall she was basically the best character, given the best arc, really the only ones that come close are Storm and Nightcrawler
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Red Queen pirate jacket is by far her best look, which was very nice to see after a predominantly passable at best costume run.
Shoutouts to the lame pure black "post breakup" jumpsuit she wore for like 4 issues at the very very end of Excalibur vol 1.
Before Captain Pryde, the best one was probably 80s baggy sleeves.
They kept sticking her in boring New Mutants esque Blue and Yellow, often with terrible polo - collars.
The Shadowkat (what happened there, btw, why the k now?) one looks great too, but I hope the long hair comes back.
@@Excellsion I do still love that old panel of her wearing the most hideous costume known to man or mutant and being like "that old costume was kinda lame so I fixed it!" and it's like knee high socks and mismatched colors in every place and a betsy braddock's psychic mask type mask and its just amazingly terrible
The first half of Ultimate X-Men is still 10/10 solely for the scene where tank top Mr Sinister throws Charles down the stairs.
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"STAIRS!!!"
Miss It
Dun da dun da da dun dun. Dun da dun da da dun da dun. Dund ah dun da da dun dun. Da doo ah dun doo da doo da doo.
With Magneto, Hulk, and the Blob being cannibals in the ultimate universe I think The ultimate comics had some sort of fetish for cannibalism.
"Now, Charles is the Miyazaki of the Ultimate universe..."
This video just went up and already this is the most underrated joke. Seriously genius reference
Charles about to grow an insane obsession with poisonous swamps
What was the most tragic lost thing in ultimate comics is that it’s the only series where anti mutant prejudice actually made sense. Every non-mutant is constantly being confused to as a mutant and the prejudice is seen everywhere, even in Peter Parker’s school. It actually genuinely built the identity of being a mutant
I think having mutants be the result of a failed recreation of the Super Solider Serum also helps narratively.
@@jturner2577 well no that’s just a terrible take lol
That’s crazy to me that Jimmy Hudson is so forgotten that the Maker didn’t go check on him at the beginning of Ultimate Invasion. Even the writers forgot that Miles isn’t the only 1610 originated character now in 616 💀💀💀
or Bombshell
They even had Ultimate Quicksilver in the Earth-616, I think that was from X-Men: Blue, i forgot which issue was it.
He wasn't forgotten, jimmy was absorbed by a symbiote and doesn't have a conscience.
@@sontho6995 he still has a conscious, they were fighting for the control of the body
@@DeliciaDamaria And they never reached a resolution, that was 4 years ago.
It genuinely means a lot to me to see the old Ultimate Universe talked about positively like this, flawed as they are those books mean a lot to me.
Spider-Man vs Paul ooh that’s going to be fun.
how strange to know that this is considered rare to NOT be a canibal in the ultimate universe
Or incestuous, perverted, in some way bigoted, or mentally ill in a violent way.
Kitty is the only person I think could truly carry on the x men as a team. Love to see her potential finally shown
Ill be honest Im really not a fan of the Ultimate Universe's take on the X-men, however, I do have to say I really do like characters like Iceman and Kitty Pryde in this universe and her relationship with Peter was really cute and I really like her progression becoming a mature, just leader for the salvation of Mutants without jeopardize all they have left.
He is finally back we used to pray for times like these 🙏🏾😭
Please call the next one "The Rise and Fall of Spider-Man vs Paul"
You know Alex, you talk about the depressing nature of how the X-Men proved to have learned nothing in Ultimatum. But I feel that nothing sums up the depressing nature of that event more than the revelation that Nick Fury gave to Magneto where he revealed that mutants are products of the Weapon X program, in an attempt to recreate the Super Soldier serum. In other words, unlike 616, mutants AREN’T a “next phase” in evolution like they thought. Instead, they are exactly what a large portion of the world consider them to be: mistakes. Just goes to show how the Ultimate Universe all but abandoned any sense of hope or humanity, for complete and utter nihilism.
I actually think having Mutants being mistakes works fine with the 1610 continuity, because that's what virtually every earth based hero and villain in that continuity was.
Absolutely love kitty Pryde. Feels like she's always the core of the x-men or whatever group she's a part of. Always the heart of the team. Steps up when she has to and isn't afraid to do what needs to be done to help everyone else. Favourite marvel character ❤
In my opinion, the Ultimate Universe Post-Ultimatum had some great stories. It felt like the writers came up with some crazy yet creative ideas: Reed Richards becoming The Maker and nuking the government, the sentinels taking control of the country, hunting down mutants, throwing the United States into state of complete chaos, and yet seeing the mutants and the Ultimate Avengers rise to meet all those challenges.
It’s good to see that the ultimate X-Men got their redemption in the writing.😺
“The cycle of vengeance changes nothing except the amount of graves you have to dig”
Well I’m adding that one to the quote book, goddamn
Great video so far!
btw remember when flash died for like 30 years? That was good
In comic or IRL?
@@arran4285 Irl, his death after Crisis really stuck.
Remember when they erased wally and gave aspects of wally to Barry to make him interesting
@@rossman8919
Well that's what they did I would disagree that they had to for Barry to be interesting. I've always liked them both personally. Idk why they can't just both have a comic running at once. Superman and Batman both have multiple titles and they're both just one guy. If any hero is justified in having two series running it's the flash.
18:41 I feel like the Ultimate universe had more of these deformed people panels than most other imprints lol
Hi, Alex. You may notice that I have an appreciation for Post-Ultimatum Ultimate X-Men, especially for Jimmy Hudson. This was like my little corner of Marvel Comics that nobady talks but I loved it anyway. So when you announced this video, I was over the floor and hyped. 🎉
Anyway, I watched this video and it's great. I am glad that you find bright spots in this series that no one give a chance. Despite sometimes being a little cynical and fumble some plotlines (like Jean becoming crazy and decide to kill all the mutants that don't follow her), I believe that the second volume has a lot of things that make up for the weakest points: Kitty becoming the leader, the young generation taking over and succeded what the first X Men team fail, the whole Mutant Nation in the desert and how despite all the losses and hate towards them, they didn't give up.
However, I am little disappointed that you didn't talk about Jimmy Hudson (until the near end) 😢, who in my opinion it's the most interesting mutant post Ultimatum due one simple fact: it's Wolverine without the baggage.
He's a simple kid that have similar powers but doesn't define him. He's easygoing (unless you provoke him), reckless but not rudeless (without a cause) and very loyal. Logan left him to be raised in a small town on Florida by a friend that met in the Golf War, so he can have something that he didn't have: a happy childhood with loving parents. That allows him to be good despite all bad things that happened after joining the Kitty group. Not only that but he became Kitty biggest supporter when she made the deal. He was always stand by her and always help her when she need it (until she regain her confidence). And despite for a little consider joining Jean team, he returned to be with Kitty and the others.
After Secret Wars, he was one of the few characters of the Ultimate Universe to survive the destruction (like Miles Morales) and join the Young Version of the Original 5 X Men (don't asked why they were teenagers). The only reason that happened was at the time Logan was dead, so Wolverine mantle was available. This allow not to die with the Ultimate Universe and being forgotten. However, when main Logan returned, Marvel decided to make him a Poison host (that are antiSymbiotes creatures) and got rid of him. That was very sad bc I truly believe that he has a lot of potential that would allow him to stand out of Wolverine (and his other sons), but only if they would use him more.
I hope Alex that you read this and consider doing a follow up video telling Jimmy Hudson story (like you did with Ben Reilly) as the Story of the Wolverine that Marvel forgot.
In any case, I will be excited for your next video since it's about Paul (the Symbol of Current ASM status quo) and the next videos that you will post.
Cheers.
I love seeing another Jimmy Hudson fan. I hate Marvel has all but abandoned him.
@@darthkamen6564 Yeah, I truly thought that he would be back in events like King in Black or Death of Venonverse in order to use his abilities with Poison. However ,with Ultimate Invasion simple ignored him, it clearly shows that Marvel has truly forgotten his existence. ={
I didn't have a problem with Ultimatium, although at that point, I completely checked out of the Ultimate comics except for the Mile Morales Spider-Man stories, that Arthur Adams X-Men series, and Ultimate Villain(?), where Reed Richards was now the villain. Maybe because I largely viewed the Ultimate Universe characters as versions of the 616 characters. Doctor Strange is dead? Well, "real" Doctor Strange is still around. I would point out that in the first X-Men arc, Cyclops temporarily defected to the Brotherhood because he wasn't sure of Xavier's philosophy, so his killing Magneto isn't crazy.
The editing in this is so so so good….Great work!
the post ultimatum era of the ultimate universe is my favorite era because it took what was left over from ultimatum and used it to its advantage to set it self a part from the 616 universe in major ways. its kinda like the prototype of what is the new current ultimate universe where its setting itself a part from the 616 universe by re inventing most of the characters origins.
sometimes we rise and fall AND RISE BACK BABY
Cancel all my plans, NEW alex lennen banger just dropped
It's been a minute since your last video. Your videos are always cool and insightful. Can't wait for the next upload.
"So when do I cancel the book?"
That's the fun part: you don't!"
>Logan the first mutant, with highly assasin trainning from years, the ability not from healing but survive anything :
>Gets one hit and 2 stabs to Magneto and fcking dies
>Valkyrie a normal girl without trainning but god powers :
>Cuts an arm of Magneto and lives
Well ok . . .
Idk much about xmen but maybe don't expect the dude with metal for bones to do well against the guy who controls metal 😂
@@grantcatdone3417 no, im saying magneto could kill Vakrye but the plot suck so much
that ironman and cyclops do NOTHING AGAINST MAGNETO (CYClops could CLOSE FCKING EYES and ironman shut down his power) but well i guess is wolverine fault xDDD
This is the best come back after being afk for a long back I have ever seen
this was great, i usually don’t comment on videos but i’d love if you did a deeper dive on jimmy hudson, he’s criminally underrated and deserves some attention if marvel is gonna act like he blipped off the face of the earth after 2019
as someone who grew up reading the TPB's of ultimate x-men this video hits home. I never really got to experience the post ultimatum era because i didnt have those books, but from what ive seen, its very interesting. Kudos for making this video Alex!
Wow you are alive!
Missed you man
Your videos are so funny and densely researched they’re great for repeat viewing
I look up to you so much Alex, you are an inspiration and I love your videos! Thx 4 the amazing content I don’t feel so alone in my nerdiness when I watch it
This is my biggest beef with the X-Men. Their tagline is _"saving a world that hates and fears them"_ but for decades now all they do is ave themselves. Every villain's goal is mutant extinction. There is barely any variety in the stories now except for angst.
Yeah when clearmont introduced the whole mutant/human supremacy angle it wasn’t all doom and gloom. For every god loves man kills you had five space operas where the X-men went off to help the star jammers overthrow an intergalactic tyrant or fight the brood, as well as plenty of hanging out and having fun shenanigans and the occasional bout of body horror.
Banger video! You've really sold Ultimatum vol 2 to me! Really excited for Spiderman Vs Paul :)
numba two alex lennen fan 🙏
who's number one
@@alexlennenme
comicstorian but youll get there one day
Thank you for this amazing vid speaking on the original Ultimate X-Men series.👏 Seriously an underrated and interesting series to speak on.
Always a great day when Alex posts!
As always. This was worth the wait
lets gooo hyped for this spiderman vs paul video. Also great ultimate xmen video alex you never disappoint.
Amazing, glad you’re back
I'm actually one of the people that dropped ultimate X-Men with ultimatum I kind of just assumed that the series was going to be done after that. It's wild to know that went on for a bit longer and that the story actually seems really cool
What a great comeback. Awesome video.
Just subbed & hit the bell. My algorithm is actually working properly again & it feels like the power to materialize perfect channels has been restored.
To me my Tube-Men! 😅
It’s a shame that so much effort and time is needed for these videos because I would quit my job just to watch these every single day
First time I’ve actually been fairly early to a video on this channel. So I’ll take that opportunity before this comment gets lost and say that I have learned so much about comics from this UA-cam channel, the content you make is entertaining and engaging and love how much I get to learn about comics, this is way better than simply recapping a story bit by bit.
The constant shade towards Ultimate Wanda and Pietro is so funny 😭
Your analysis of Xavier is so brilliant and done so well
I agree that Ultimate X-Men after Ultimatum is wildly underrated
Kitty Pryde was my favorite Ultimate Marvel character and the loss of that character is the one thing I miss most about the original Ultimate Universe...
Dude that was one great vid man! Liked the point where they kinda missed the ball on the meaning of The X-Men being for nothing. Great stuff.
thank you sir, you have provided once again for your community with a delicious video, cant wait to dig in 😭😍😍
First you made me read Ultimate Spider-Man, I swear if you make me read Ultimate X-Men…
(It’s mostly because I loved Kitty in Ultimate Spider-Man and hearing about her role in the X-Men run makes me want to experience it myself-)
That Xavier-Miyazaki parallel you made was perfect
Gotta admit, it's good having you back man
hell yeah
Awesome video dude! Makes me wanna read the series and maybe buy a couple of issues
HE'S BACK!!
Hearing you talk about the mutant cure reminded me of the line from Beast in Xmen Last Stand "Is it cowardice to save oneself from persecution? Not all of us can fit in so easily"
Thanks for another informative video alex. Although the uxm line was well known to be associated with i sorta appreciated it for whatever it was lol
Im so READY for a new ALEX VIDEO LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I was just getting ready to eat! Thank you!!! 👑
I've started watching comic book videos recently, & I have to appreciate that not everyone can do them as well as this
Wow. Thank yoy for this. I always heard that the Ultimate X-Men and most of the Ultimate universe ended with Ultimatum. It makes me feel a lot better that it continued to grow and find its footing into something better.
Can you please do entire history of the green lanterns from earth. Or just entire history of Hal Jordan. I think it’ll be really interesting seeing as it’s entirely based off his pure will to move forward. Pls consider I’m a huge fan of your videos, especially the entire history ones.
BABE WAKE UP! NEW ALEX LENNEN VIDEO DROPPED 🎉❤
Brother made one of the most compelling essays about the cycle of violence ever it made me wanna return to read cape comics
Kitty now joins spiderman as one of the few good things to come out of the ultimate universe.
I’ve been waiting for months let’s go
alex lennen you are easily my favorite youtuber in the past 5 years. i can’t express how much i look forward to and love every video you make
thank you balls
When is the 5 hour Paul deepdive? There's so much lore to tap there-- I've been a Paul fan for decades and even i don't know all of it
While I'm not a fan of the Ultimate X- men comics I really enjoy Kitty Prydes story especially her relationship with Peter.
Lets hope they don’t make the same mistake with the new Ultimate X-men in that new Ultimate universe
One of my favorite channels
Still loving the content, sorry I'm a bit late to this one, keep making these great videos.
Whats your opinion on sin eater? In fact,, what IS a sin eater?
@@adreeeandanothere510 I'm quite the fan, He's a older spider man villain.
I remember you from the other video
it's so easy and profitable to be a hater these days, yet you brought a nuanced and interesting point of view to this series. A lot of what was done in the Ultimate Universe felt like testing grounds for the 616 universe, can only hope there's a much brighter future to the new Ultimate Universe
Glad you're back. :)
I was just thinking "what happened to that comic book guy i liked i swear he said he was uploading soon" thrn 15 minutes later this dropped
babe wake up, Alex just uploaded another certified banger
Guys alex uploaded yipppeee
Beautiful video, very well made. Why is iceman wearing a durag for like 90% of this? I assume the reason you didn’t touch on it here is because you’re planning on making a whole separate video on the topic. Can’t wait to see it.
Good bit lol
new alex lennan video, lock in.
Ive been waiting for one of these videos. Love your vids man!
Thank you!
No problem man i grew up with all these stories and comics and glad you are talking about Spider-Man and the Ultimate universe and your Mr Bean vs Superman video was funny keep up the good work man! @alexlennen
DA KING IS BACK BABY HE NEVA MISS WE EATING GOOD TODAY
OH MY GOD YES ALEX VIDEO
thanks for making videos about comics
alex with back with a good one!!
I'm not a fan of video essays. I swore I would never watch one again but I couldn't ignore this. It may sound over the top but thank you so much. Ultimate Comics X-Men deserves more, I hope more people can now see what I saw.
Long Live Utopia
Its always worth the wait