That Time Injustice Catwoman Became Best Girl
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Men only want one thing and it's...a best girl. The Injustice saga of DC is well known for bringing us a tyrannical Superman, showing us great tragedy, and a brutal pen. But, in the middle of all the tragedy and violence are some quite uplifting elements as well.
The writing, for the most part, was quite impressive. And nothing shocked me more at how they handled Catwoman, especially during Batman's time of need.
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I kinda like the alternate Injustice comic. Where Batman is the one who kills Joker and turns himself in. Superman visits him in prison and loves Batman so much for what he did, he walks through the wall and gives Bruce the option to just walk out with him. Batman doesn't, of course, but the meaning is kind of heartwarming
Something that can only happen in Batman’s mind though. Find me a jury on earth who would convict him for killing the Joker.
It's not a comic but rather supermans dream
@@cryamistellimek9184 He doesn't need a jury. If he wanted to defend himself he could but he didn't want to. He felt like he deserved the punishment.
@@ivanalukic1612 If he’s going to prison for criminal charges he needs to be found guilty, which requires a jury. That’s basic criminal law.
@@cryamistellimek9184 No, if he pleads guilty there is no need for a trial.
Well written Cat Woman is such a fun character.
What about Paul Schumacher from issue #4308. He was trained by Who's and Beerus and joined the Justice League after defeating wargod Darkseid after he killed his puppy and stole his car!!!
@@MegaToonzNetwork Sounds like you made that up using an AI
@@paulschumacher4308 No I used an IA MANG!!
Def
Well written cat and bat is definitely one of the best comic stories to read
I like how Batman views murder like potato chips: you can't have just one.
That just goes to show how fragile Batman's sanity really is. One bad day is all it would really take after all.
Well it's also how humans develop habits. If you commit murder once you are more likely to resort to it again. Like, if you picks an easier and faster option instead of the hard, but virtuous one.
One bad day is _already_ took too much. So much that Batman won't for a second one.
So tired of seeing that line being quoted. It's never "one bad day." It's cumulative. Especially in the Joker movie. It wasn't one bad day, it was his whole fucking life adding up to a breaking point.
"Cause once you pop...you can't stop..." -The Batman
6:37 - The perfect representation of a healthy relationship between a man, and a woman; both are flawed, and imperfect, but they are perfect for one another. This scene made me cry.
What else makes this scene even heavier?
This was Clark Kent and Salina Kyle putting themselves aside to comfort Bruce Wayne after he lost of his son.
That makes her removing the mask so Bruce can have a much needed cry work even better.
@@ShadowWingTronix you know what I can see Bruce using the mask as a emotional clutch to keep it all bottled up
@@kalev_knight He literally does that on purpose, "The Batman is a symbol."
@@wolfrainexxx i was thinking more along the lines of even when not needed like (to me at least) he seemed to be trying to do here for example
I would say that the scene was made better because it provided a sense of closure between both Superman AND Batman. Both scenes open with violence (Superman chasing her, Batman beating his fists bloody). The scenes both transition into being about Best GirlTM emotional regulation instead, where she offers Superman introspection and Batman a confidante.
I can write this in a much longer Google Document if preferred.
I can't help but chuckle when we go from informative analysis to *gruff batman line reading.*
Good lol
@@LiteratureDevil Frankly, it still comes across as the typical Woke, Feminist Girl Power narrative we see all around and used, so it's really hard to actually accept the plot and scene. Even if it is supposed to be a meaningful comforting scene.
Furthermore, because of many recent portrayals of Catwoman being one of the so-called Girl-Power Feminist icon characters in comics, people are naturally going to roll their eyes and go "Of course they're going to do this," or "Typical". Sure one may argue she isn't as bad as how Harley Quinn, Poise Ivy and Wonder Woman are written, but the fact remains.
@@LiteratureDevil 1/10 Not Christian Bale enough. Needs more growl! I can still understand you!
As usual, you've completely got it right. This is the best way Catwoman can be written. Which is why my breaking point for buying DC comics was Tom King's run on Batman, when she left him at the altar.
Good god comic changes for the sake of status quo is trifling
6:15
When I first read this comic, not once did it occur to me that Bruce was being torn down. Instead, I saw him as a father grieving the death of his son, and the one woman who understood him, or at least had a deep connection to him, took him in her arms and comforted him. She was telling him that it’s ok. That she understands. And that is beautiful.
Grief and rage are tearing the men apart, we just can't see that. Or pretending we can't.
@@Asmo_Laythese are technically what many say men need to talk and open up about
But often is done without doing so bluntly and underhandedly in fields of disingenuousness
I love these moments. In my internal stories, there's almost always a moment like this, where the hero - having been put through absolute hell - has a moment where the hero is taking apart, and the only one who can help us the heroine.
Nah, the best story is the relationship between Megamind, and Metro Man. A very healthy rivalry that never actually hurt anyone, and when Megamind needed it the most, Metro Man decided to retire to gain his own privacy, allow Megamind to have his own life, and even watched over him the entire time he was fighting his new nemesis.
That story is like the friendship between Naruto and Sasuke. They hate each other publicly, but privately are besties that admire one another.
I do that to. Not because I like having good character moments, but because its my fetish.
Honestly the Injustice storyline was so unrelentingly grim. Its like someone saw Brave New Metropolis and said, what if we did this but even more joyless?
At least the first game had Deathstroke for some levity.
"And miss my chance to battle Superman's rebound girl?"
-Deathstroke before fighting Wonder Woman
Catwoman is such an amazing character. Full of layers, timeless.
Catwomans are like onions
@@vancedaniels Shrek would agree with that statement
@@nicolasramos2170”verybody loves cake! “
Seriously though people try to prop up these contradictory or infuriating characters as “layered” when all it takes is a bit of wit and understanding both the character their writing and how the real people think
@@aerickmon3350 but she is layered, I'm not saying she's right, irl she would be quite a dangerous person to be associated with, but so is Batman If you think about It.
What makes me love them so much is fantasy of it all. The fact that they kick ass and are tough enough to thrive in Gotham City's setting.
@@nicolasramos2170 oh yeah I wasn’t bashing cat woman in that at all
Rather I was praising this one especially as an amazing example of how truly layered great characters are, which definitely wouldn’t be if it wasn’t for the fantasy of who they are either
Personally I think Harley in Injustice was well written... But only the context of heroes going into the grey areas of morality where Harley could meet them. In the main comic line she's barely ever changed and in my eyes, remains a villain no matter how they try to absolve her of her crimes when she was with the Joker.
The only time she ever impressed, was when she tried to stop others going down the same road that she did. That's where Harley as a character can find redemption. Not being a Deadpool wannabe or having girlfriends or being LOL so random. She has to show she's worth saving. And the way she can easily be written to do this, is to save others in a way the other heroes cannot.
Maybe she fails. Maybe we see that failure gird her to try harder, or pull away from her own damage far enough to gain perspective about her past, and what that past entailed. Saving others from the villains sidekick role thusly means she will spare not just the sidekick wannabe... but the people that sidekick would hurt along the way. And for Harley this is not just a calling, but a mission... Because while Modern writers try to downplay The Jokers impact on her life... Harley was the sidekick to the greatest villain of all time in the DC comic universe... And lived to tell the tale. Joker may be Batmans most dangerous foe and thus the dangerous and unpredictable villain of all time... And Harley, thanks to her quick thinking and training as a psychiatrist and her own personal demons, survived his madness where many others have not. And by modern writers trying to turn The Joker into his own punchline... They are actively destroying a major part of Harley's years long origin story that they tried to replace with Harley living her own life without the Joker...
But here's the thing... just as Batman needs villains to give the Batman meaning, so to does the Joker give meaning to Harley through the same way as why The Joker is important to Batman. The history they share cannot be replicated anywhere else. And Harley stands unique among the female DC line up because of it. So while Harley's story of putting the Joker behind her, and helping others put him behind them, the Joker is what ultimately drives Harley to her own redemption. Killing him off before she can attain that though, means that if Joker is killed off or subverted before Harley's story has ended, then Harley will only ever be what she was turned into by woke activist writers... A character through which they can live out their personal fantasies, instead of letting the character deal with her past by letting it point her towards a future where she can save others from something only she truly knows the face of from experience. The face that stares back at you when you look to long into the abyss.
Kinda sad that now they make her as the victim of jokers manipulation when she also did bad things on her own free will.
@@Fragrantcanary You can still be a victim while being a perpetrator. I don't understand why people think a character can only be one or the other.
Yes, Harley has done terrible things. Absolutely no one denies that. However, that doesn't lessen the severity of the terrible things done to her, even if she made that choice.
Another good example of Catwoman’s conflict of character is near the end of Arkham City, where she has to choose between absconding with a huge amount of money, and helping Batman out of a bad situation. Of course this choice is up to the player and it’s game over if you choose to leave, but I think it still counts.
I really appreciate what they did there. They left it up to the player, but everyone knows she would go back to help Batman. So they know the player is likely just picking leave to test how the writers will react. Everyone smiles, then loads up a save and the plot resumes.
@@Sorain1definitely shows the skill and understanding of both that games devs and writers
Shame that level of competency and mind is rather rare
I do appreciate LitDev, truly. Keep explaining human nature through stories, my guy, maybe the rest of the world will catch on eventually
I never knew I needed to hear him say “best girl” until this video. It brings me untold joy.
@@Emarellaespecially with his satisfying application of it
It is tragic that Feminism denigrates the most precious parts of Femineity, childbirth & "emotional support" (empathy).
Or otherwise make is sound like it is some UNAPPRECIATED burden on women's part. (with ZERO reward whatsoever)
Yeah, (injustice) Catwoman was definitely "best girl"! Hell, my eyes even welled up a little as you read her entire monologue. Damn that was moving.
As a dude who grew up with this stuff being prominent, I still struggle to see feminine qualities as strength and felt worth less as a person because I had a lot of feminine interests and thought patterns, this speaks to me. My generation, in an effort to make women worth more, merely made women into men with gusto and then halfheartedly taught the worth of feminine qualities like motherhood and empathy to the dudes who didn't understand. No wonder we see the power level bull crap from anime with none of emotional attachment in superhero movies now.
Modern day feminists can’t even define what a woman is. That’s how lost they are.
There is a name for children who lost their parents: orphans.
But there is no name for a parent who lost a child, because the pain is beyond words.
Recently read the warrior bards trilogy by Juliette Marillier.
What's interesting about that series, is the main female protagonist of the series is indeed a female warrior.
Levaun is a total amazon, trained in combat and spying, able to take on several opponents at once, indeed when it comes to fights she's absolutely nails!.
yet, what sort of challenges does marillier have her overcome in the series?
In the first book, she befriends a lonely princess, thereby uncovering a king's identity. In the second book, she willingly accompanies her wounded lover back to his home; a home ruled over by his abusive brother, taking on the role of a servant just to support him.
She has plenty of occasions to demonstrate her combat skills, but no where in the series does Marillier simply allow Levaun to resolve situations by her combat skills alone.
in fairness, she treats the male characters in the same way, giving them missions of discovery, investigation, and in some cases brutal endurance, but it's the way she treats Levaun I find particularly interesting, especially since that trilogy was only completed last year, indeed I suspect Levaun was Marillier's answer to the modern "strong female character", architype, by making a character who yes, is a highly accomplished warrior, but whose challenges revolve far more about her being a "best girl", as you describe, than just her ability to punch out lots of men.
When something is no longer a challenge to a character, your stories no longer challenge them with that. Superman is bullet proof, therefore it can't be about not getting shot. It can still be about the risk of others being shot, you can still challenge him using bullets via gun to innocent head, etc. Levaun has few if any significant threats in combat, so naturally any combat 'threat' is just set dressing for her and the real problems are different. I respect that kind of writing, thanks for helping me find some new books to read!
@@Sorain1 Even before this modern fad of overpowering certain characters because of the way they were born, I was always less of a superhero fan precisely for that reason.
To me, a hero is someone like Frodo and Sam from Lotr, someone who struggles and persists against overwhelming odds even when they don't have a chance.
Marillier is awesome!
Sadly I think she sometimes gets dismissed as a historical romance writer, which really isn't fair, since though her books usually have romantic elements, they're as much about the characters, world, magic and story, as just the relationships; albeit it's still refreshing these days to read books by a female author who plainly likes, and has her protagonists like, actual men!
I'd highly recommend her 7 waters series as well.
Six books, each with a different female protagonist, no female warriors in that one, but women with a host of different skills and professions, including healing, household skills, sorcery, druidic study or animal training, all of whom get put through the ringer in various ways and all of whom have different personalities (the third book, child of the prophecy has a protagonist whose virtually a villain, and follows her temptation and redemption).
Indeed, Sorcha of the first book daughter of the forest is someone I'd put up along with Frodo as one of the most heroic characters I've ever read, given one of the most difficult tasks at which she persists despite a massive amount of hardship.
"Batman breaks down at the loss of his son."
That's how you know it's not woke. Because that's a genuine human emotion.
It's kinda funny how modern media acts like the "strong female character" is a super new and revolutionary phenomena, when in fact, there is incredible unique strength in femininity. Just like how men are strong in masculine ways.
It's almost as if when we politicize virtues, we tend to see less of it.
Literature Devil's Batman impression sounds like it would call me "smoothskin"
1:50 That face on The Joker says, "Wow, even I didn't see this coming!"
At least I have a working definition of what a "best girl" is. Thank you, LD.
Very well done. The modern era holds the reality of men and women being distinct and yet equal in contempt. But by denying reality, they divorce themselves from the ability to write things like this. Payday is tomorrow; it's time I put up or shut up and get Dr. Alpha. Later, LD.
True emotional support is not just good, it's exactly what makes a female character strong in the first place. She can be badass, sure, but where it counts is in the heart. That is where strength lies.
This chapter of Injustice was the first comic I bought in physical. It truly was an emotional moment for both Batman and Catwoman, but what it broke me was seeing Alfred so vulnerable in that moment (not being able to stand up when Selina shows up cause he was drinking a lot was really very sad for me)
Those are the female heroes I admire.. GREAT VIDEO!
Last week I got told that the woman who helped raise me and is a second mother to me is probably going to die of pancreatic cancer.
My wife just hugged me and told me she was sorry.
We've been happily married for twenty years because she is my best girl.
Easily my new favorite analysis.
This video was exactly what I need to make my day better. 😁👍
The formula can even work if the roles are reversed, like it happened in the last movie when he stopped her from killing Falcone "You don't have to pay with him". But aside from that exception, the rule of modern hollywood girl boss is to always prove she's strong and needs no man, and not even most girls I know like this because... What's the point of being a super awesome fighter if there's nothing in that world that is "worth" fighting for? You can be all the strong you want but time will kill you eventually. Who are the characters where she deposits her hopes for the future? If all men are trash and stupid does that mean women are condemened to an existence of bitter relationships to perpetuate the species? What a sad thing to affirm, and people call such a thing "escapism and power fantasy".
And with this gesture, Catwoman became the first of many villians who became heroes in the Injustice universe. Others would include: Deathstroke, Klarion the witch boy, Lobo and Harley Quinn.
Although their were also heroes that became villians.
I love how often i hear "best girl" brings back memories of arguing about anime girls on forums.
Another great piece. Keep up the good work, LD.
Marvellous work mate, I'll admit I've never read the injustice comics I've only played the games. But the way you describe the story is phenomenal, keep up the good work Literature Devil and have a good day.
I guess that would make Ochaco Uraraka also a best girl. But to be more revelant with this video, I'll just add this - entertaiment could use more good writing like depicted in here.
I personally think that the same role of best girl can be filed by a man but it is much harder to pull of sice our culture more or less makes us look at one man crying into another ones arms as something weird. It really depends on the type of bond autor decides to use to get the character out of emotional low point. The most obvious ones are mentor, parent, friend, love, family. They also can be combined with can be seen for example in "Practical guide to evil" where main character is dragged up many times by friend and family rope or mentor and father though normally one or the other is stronger in such a case. Most cases that classify as best girl use the friend, family or love and all of those are more personal which together with the terrible state of character being helped and personal nature of that kind of help make us warm in heart do to seeing someone selflessly help someone they are close with. That role isn't reserved to female character so I don't think the title should be reserved only for them
Good ole' Catherine Foundling.
That's not a relationship between friends, it's a relationship between brothers-in-arms.
Sam & Dean Winchester
Desexualize bros hugging.
commas would make that easier to read
@@TheAlison1456 Also paragraphs.
I think this was a perfect analysis of Catwoman’s mentality, her subversion for the quite frankly twisted and perverted view on how female characters appeal to this “woke” era, and what it means to call a character a “best girl” fucking loved everything about this video
Nice analysis LD. Got to love that Batman voice
Just to quickly break down how the joke in whatever Thor movie that was could've worked better, and retain the joke, all they'd have to do is change who speaks after Sif's "Shit!"
Up until then, we have a tough-as-nails character ready to die, then has her preparedness for death taken from her upon the realization that she won't go to Valhalla. One option is for Sif to say the line "Well, maybe my arm's in Valhalla," with a wry tone and a smirk on her pained face. Making a joke for her own sake to take her mind off the pain and get herself out of the morose disappointment she was just experiencing. Another option is for her to simply go, "Shit! Alright, get me up." A powerful warrior immediately ready to recover and fight again now that her hopes have been deflated.
In the original movies wherein that humor worked so well, it had two major distinctions that separate it from later Marvel Humor, and you can trace the downfall of the MCU by when these distinctions vanish. First off, the quips are generally said by the character experiencing the distress, typically as a clear coping mechanism. Second, if they're not then they're said by specific characters known for their sarcasm and sharp wit, and typically expected to be intended as sharing the speaker's own coping mechanism.
Later in the MCU's lifespan, characters who have no business quipping are flapping their gums and inserting bad jokes into tense or emotional scenes, and all too often it's a joke at the expense of the person suffering, because the current crop of writers are bad people who believe that humor only comes at someone else's expense.
It was Thor: Love and Thunder, which perfectly illustrates your latter points.
If that line had been Thor trying to get Sif to keep fighting for her life it would have been so much better. Save the "arm's in Valhalla" line for when she's recovering and they're either regrowing her arm or creating a prosthetic, or if she's trying to relearn with her other arm.
Or, even better, Thor tells Sif he's lost too many people close to him, like Frigga, Odin, the Warriors 3, Heimdall, and Loki, and if he sees a chance to save someone else, he'll take it. Because that's what heroes do.
@@JoRoq1 Nah, fam; this shit started in Ragnarok. Thor got emasculated in his own movie for laughs and Hulk got the same for good measure.
@@BlindMarksman The Waititi brand humor started in Ragnarok, yes. But the scene with Sif was in L&T.
Catwoman=Best Girl
Wonder Woman=Belongs 2 Tha Streets
Most powerful scene in Rising of the Shield Hero is when Raphtalia does this for Naofumi.
Literally what came to mind when he was describing the requirements for best girl
That Thor scene could have been great even if they still conveyed the same information but without trying to force a bad joke:
Sif - Leave me to die; I have fought my whole life hoping to fall in battle and take my place in Valhalla.
Thor - If you die here, it won't be in battle. You will have given up. Live today, fight tomorrow that you may someday take your rightful place in Valhalla. There is room enough in those halls for a one-armed warrior.
Ahh this a perfecto video. It really described what I've been thinking and wanting in female characters for a long time [outside of anime]. Really does help me also with my own writing.
Yeah! Literature Devil just dropped! Glad to watch this while eating lunch at work. Great video. ❤️👍
Contradiction is one of the largest reasons why I can never accept wokism. Men should be emotional, says the woke, but then turn around and offer no emotional anchor, as that would make their stance weak. It gets even worse for their case. If they want men to be emotional, then women need to revert to their more traditional role of caregiver, accepting emotional anchor and scabbard to keep men's worst impulses in check. This present example is only one of way too many contradictions and screwups for an ideology that seeks to control humanity not only physically but also in thought.
Wokism is inherently inhuman. Possibly outright Anti-human. For the reason you pointed out so eloquently.
Loved it, LD. Just leaving this for the algorithm.
What can be said that hasn't already been said? Well done as per usual!! :)
Much appreciated!
@@LiteratureDevil Frankly, it still comes across as the typical Woke, Feminist Girl Power narrative we see all around used, so it's really hard to actually accept the plot and scene. Even if it is supposed to be a meaningful comforting scene.
Furthermore, because of many recent portrayals of Catwoman being one of the so-called Girl-Power Feminist icon characters in comics, people are naturally going to roll their eyes and go "Of course they're going to do this," or "Typical". Sure one may argue she isn't as bad as how Harley Quinn, Poise Ivy and Wonder Woman are written, but the fact remains.
I've never liked Injustice but I can still appreciate the Nuggets of gold I find in stories like this
Injustice, or at least Year Zero, was the last time Tom Taylor wrote a good story from start to finish. So it is good to appreciate this comic series every now and again. (I can't count the main series because Brian Buccelato took over for a time.)
I don't like the Injustice series enough to consider it the cannon storyline like some people, but I do like how it shows what kind of mettel certain characters in the series have under the surface when faced with such overwhelming adversity. From Green Arrow's sacrificial play to give the good guys a fighting chance against Supes, to Hal becoming a red lantern JUST to break out of confinement and warn people of coming danger (and then cutting his finger off to remove the ring, ugh), and Selena Holding Bruce together as his grief tore him apart. Injustice had a LOT of great moments...
But I still hate it 😒🤣
There is worth in finding the gems within the debris.
It's hard to see how this catwoman is related to the one in the injustice 2 character ending where she leaves Bruce at the alter cause she got bored of a quiet life and a for once happy batman
Oh wow - I completely forgot about Selena Kyle turning Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent against each other in the Telltale version. Strange as I was actually very much compelled by that brief arc.
God I fuckin' hate the Injustice storyline - or rather, I hate it's influence. I'm so sick of my boy Supes gettin' dragged through the muck man. Because that seems to be what sells these days.
But that being said, those games are fun, and YOU LitDev have just given me a reason to check the comic out despite my hatred of the "SUPES BAAAAD" train. Catwoman's always been one of my favorite DC characters BECAUSE of what you just outlined.
And yeah, Katara is absolutely a best girl. I wish more would see that as heroic, rather than indentured servitude or pathetic or whatever some of these bitties think nowadays.
Evil Superman has been done to death. I want to see the animated movie, where I hear a good Superman comes from the multiverse to remind himself who Superman SHOULD be.
It's less evil Superman for me and more the idea is clearly brought up that Joker did all this BECAUSE Batman was too good at his job and somehow never thought that the Joker would go so far because he got complacent with the collateral not being TOO bad. And even then, what would he do if Supes didn't kill him after all that? Just put him back into Arkham where he'll break out AGAIN and probably do something worse to try and break another hero's will? It's not like the comic ever cares to actually provide any real solution to this beyond just doing the same and hoping for the best otherwise.
Injustice is probably one of my favourite non-canon DC comics! The story was so gripping and I really liked how they portrayed all of the characters, even if some of them had relatively minor roles. The stakes were so high from start to finish.
I think Harley is also a stand out character in the series. She takes a very interesting position, being one of the two sole perpetrators of the ENTIRE STORY and then siding with Batman to attempt to fix the unfixable. She's still a scatterbrain, but all things considered she mellows out. Superman says that people who do terrible things can never change, but Harley does. She's a bit abrasive and unwarranted in certain panels though. You can only have so much Harley at once.
Absolutely great moment.
Comic book Joker is unbelievably sick!! My first guess was that he did something on pare with beating Robin with a crowbar, but no. He made Superman kill a pregnant Lois.😫😫😂
I'd like to point out superman and batman being willing to die in a fight but not face each other in an argument while Catwoman is seen as being willing to do this with a level of certainty. Almost like men and women sacrifice for the better in different ways
Injustice proves why Batman is the best superhero, I love his unwillingness to compromise on his morals, just one of many themes that make that series great!
just backed it today, i got DA miracle child and DA dead mans lullaby with that special art. LOOKS SO GREAT. but are those black and white pages you showed in the second volume of dead mans lullaby or in are they in the first? still happy i backed you because this looks so great. been looking for a good villian story for a while so glad i can help a youtuber i enjoy. know it's just waiting. fun video and i'll be revisiting this for sure several times.
Awesome! I can't wait to send it out!
I appreciate the tear down of current comic writers for every misguided, self-righteous, moral grandstand they take: But i find more value in understanding what one should do over what they shouldn't.
There’s a reason she’s the mother of the bat family!
Bruce’s folks would be proud.
I was unfamiliar with this scene because I avoided the INJUSTICE comics but I should have guessed that, yet again, only in an alternate universe move beyond the annoying feme fatale straightjacket writers have been forcing the character into for decades now!
This is why I will forever loath Tom King & DC Editorial, we had a rare opportunity with "The Wedding" to move both Batman & Catwoman's characters FORWARD, to "progress" if you will, at the very least one step forward.
I have thought for years now about all of the different story threads that could have been explored:
A: How would the Bat Family be affected? What would be the new dynamic with Catwoman there? Would there be any friction or resentment?
B: Now as Selina Wayne, would she step up & become more the public face of Wayne Enterprises?
C: How would the Justice League react to a former wanted criminal being allowed knowledge into their club? Who would distrust her?
So much left on the table, not because of incompetence, but because of fear. Because you cannot have Catwoman marry Batman & not have it completely change her character, she can no longer be a "femme fatale," an archetype of temptation & ruin for the hero, she would now have completely grow out of that into the role of Helpmate, Mother & Heroine... and the thought of that is too terrifying for them.
The concept of a strong female character trading empathy over violence goes too far against THE MESSAGE.
Thank You for Reading.
Cat Woman pushed her own politics onto Superman in exchange for helping Batman, so she did ask for something in a sort of subversive way. it is her character, so it fits, as well as helping Bruce emotionally. it isn't the best example of best girl, but it is an example, and they didn't break her character to do it, which makes it good writing.
And this Ladies and Gentleman is why Cyberpunk's Best Girl our Resident Loli Rebecca~
OK: Lucy is fine too.
Was not expecting that cyberpunk edge ruuner reference, but I'm all for it
16:14 My word that's a character murder moment.
This is how you show batman on his knees, it's not trying to degrade him unlike other renditions.
Looking at you Harley Quinn show.
Noting one of the few times batman is referred as the mask and not the otherway around.
Good stuff!
I like all your videos dude, keep the awesome work!
Catwoman Is The Only One ☝️ For Batman Catwoman Is Forever ♾️ Batman’s TRUE LOVE❤️💕💗Catwoman/Selina Kyle Is The Best Girl For Batman BatCat🦇🐈⬛
5:41 Well, Missy (a.k.a. The Master), so it fits her character to say that, to put down anyone she thinks beneath her (everyone in the Universe), Kat Kane, though, yeah, that was cringe inducing.
EDIT: I meant to say Missy's a villain. I don't know how I didn't say that earlier.
I actually LOVE Missy lol. But that whole quote was eye-roll inducing and the sentiment pops up later in the era. However, Missy doesn't do this often and is mostly and absolute delight.
@@LiteratureDevil But yeah, Missy was great. She acted like Mary Poppins, but evil and even more crazy.
Coming back to this video after a long time, and it's still amazing how modern women don't understand that all you need to do to be best girl is to simply.....care about the man.
Ehhh... not a fan of DC, period, but I am very much a fan of the "brooding boy, gentle girl" trope. Always love the story of someone pulling back a lost or in-need soul from the brink.
13:27 when he said that I felt Twitter breathing in malicious intent
The Injustice storyline could’ve been avoided if Batman had let Joker die at some point. Like Christopher Nolan’s Batman who didn’t kill Ra’s Al Ghul, but allowed him to die in the train crash. Even before blowing up Metropolis, how many people did Joker kill after he escapes from Arkham repeatedly? The blood of every victim is on Batman’s hands.
No it's on the government's hands. There is no way any country would let someone like joker live.
Why is it the responsibility of heroes to kill, they are essentially just couriers. Capture a guy and deliver him to the proper authorities.
The slippery slope argument batman makes to jason in under the red hood really only applies to himself. On multiple batman has been pushed to the brink like that time in hush where he nearly kills the joker. It shows that for batman it really is just that first kill that would send him over the edge and no longer be able to adhere to his moral code
Probably one of the few good things about Injustice
wdym injustice is great
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I’ll say it as many times as I have to; Superman’s iron (or steely if you will) resolve to NEVER, ever, impose his will on the world is what makes him the greatest of all heroes. Setting aside that this is fiction, I believe that had he grieved properly, Clark would not have become a tyrant.
Im still immortally bitter they didnt have Red Hood join Supes crew. Only to nope out when they prove to be tyrannical. Could have been a really interesting dynamic that in a world where villians can be killed. Its Jason that is the last loyal robin standing with Bruce. Buttttt nope, just dumb edgy shit
Considering the animosity Jason Todd had for Batman? It wouldn't make any more sense for him to join Batman.
Jason wanted a father, not a mask that favored his adopted son over him. Hell, it's in the monologue he gives Batman about how he'd respond if Joker had brutalized Bruce Wayne.
@@wolfrainexxx Bruce losing Damian to Supes side. Only for the wayward robin Jason to come come. Hell yeah, i would have thrown all my money in for that! Shit, him joining Supes team as Bruces spy because no one will suspect him with how much he has fought against Bruce regarding killing criminals. Damnit, that would have been a cool reveal. And as you said, pairing Jason nneding Bruce as a father more than his role as Batman.
Contrast that with Damian who has always viewed Bruce thou the lens of the Bats (right up to the way he touts his ownership if Robin or right to the mantle of Batman)
Would be a really interesting angle to play with too and how they choose sides.
I think it could work if handled properly. Especially if its in how far supes is going and who they are hurting. Hood aint into that shit. (Least he wasnt in utrh) if it was well written it could work
@@jim-bob3093 It's honestly really annoying on keeping up with which Robin was in which story, but I do my best.
From my perspective, Nightwing, having gotten his name from a Kyrptonian Legend, should have sided with Superman; from his stint in Teen Titans, I got the impression that he had the opposite relationship with Batman that Damian did.
That in siding with Superman, he could turn him back from the darkness that he was in, especially having had to deal with that crap before with a certain Raven; he wasn't a stranger to such corruptions of ideals.
Damian on the other hand, I can see only siding with Superman to spite Batman, and "Clark Kent" knowing this, would have seen to it that Damian was protected; Damian only seeing how much Bruce really does love him when he sees firsthand how corrupt Superman was, and how evil his own grandfather was.
Jason Todd is a different story. I can see him forgiving Batman for giving up a search as he thought he was dead, but I can also see him teaming up with Batman's side, because he wants to convince him that, had he of killed the Joker sooner, that the Red Hood would never exist. That Superman never would have been corrupted, and that Batgirl wouldn't have been brutalized. That his inaction was what caused this all, yet Batman saying something like, "Had I of killed the Joker, you'd be giving this speech to Superman."
Considering that Robin meets Nightwing in Teen Titans, I'd suggest this would be a good way to introduce Tim Drake's Robin, or Red X, even going so far as to use this version of the Teen Titans, and even use him as a the "in-between" voice. That killing isn't the answer, but that one can't trust a corrupt justice system, as the Joker was released by the Gotham Justice System many times, along with other insane criminals. I could see him being the creator of a "Superman Maximum Secuity Prison," as Cyborg never struck me as the type of person to initiate such strict measures (referring to the Teen Titans anime / cartoon).
Injustice would have also been a good quick way to reintroduce Spoiler (4th Robin, aka Batgirl, trained in Birds of Prey, and by Batman). Refer to above on Tim Drake, as I see her having the same view.
(Note: I played the Injustice Games, and listened to summaries of the stories, so feel free to blast my opinions. Injustice is my favorite alternate timeline, but I can't afford Comic Books).
Injustice #30 is my spirit animal.
Catwoman is a hero, just like Batman.
She's a survivor of childhood abuse. And she wants to protect the poor and vulnerable of Gotham.
The thing about an evil Batman is that he'd be so much worse than an evil Superman. Batman knows this, thus he's always kept the tightest leash on his moral character. What boggles the mind is that his court system didn't reintroduce the death penalty just for criminals like Joker a long time ago. But then the conflict would end and that's not entertaining for us.
Also, Luci wasn't best girl. It was a certain loli that was. Luci was just the only one that man only had eyes for.
I remain surprised no writer has done 'The Trial of the Joker' as a miniseries. The problems of 'how do you get an impartial jury?' and of Batman having to deal with the Joker being sentenced to execution are rich material totally unmined right now. You could literally have Batman going through the stages of grief over it, because it would make sense. He has to square the circle of his not killing people, and the jury killing someone. You'd get a near zero action comic book story (if you wanted) with more drama than nearly any crisis crossover event could hold. An author and an artist could really dig into both the issues of execution as a judicial option and the emotional issues such would bring up in Batman. (Gonna need one really great artist to render this one.) It's not enough for a full series, it's too much for a one off, and it disrupts status quo too much for an arc of an ongoing series. But for a mini-series? Yeah, why hasn't that mine been even attempted yet?
I always knew that Uncle Iroh was best girl
I did wonder where you were going with this subject, until I remembered which women were in Injustice 1, and how little competition she had.
watching this video, my mind goes straight to Rem from Re:Zero
Aside from everything else, it's kind of telling that the bat family would rather fight to the death than allow their villains to be taken to a secure prison rather than the revolving door of escapes that is Arkham. It just makes them look like they WANT the escapes to keep happening. It's not a hill to die on.
the comic looks visually good too, and charcters aren't unfit and ugly.
So she wasn't the heroine he wanted but she was the heroine he needed.
I'm still surprised a 2010s comic is allowed to be this good.
This whole scene was appropriate. Bruce should have fallen apart and the only one who could do it was Selina.
Exquisite as always.
Think something that would've helped the Thor LnT scene out would be cutting the joke into an akward silences...
Thor: OH sorry, you wont get into Valhala cause you didn't die 'IN' the battle, you survived...
Sif: .......................................................... *stares at Thor Awkwardly filled with Dread and Rage)
Thor: *continues to try and explain the workings of Valhalla till noticing it's getting super awkward and just leaves*
Abit simple but keeps the stupid joke of the Valhala, but also Puts it right next to a Stright foward protraial of what telling someone the Equlivent of 'Your gonna die a Meaningless death, but thanks for trying' would be like. Giving it a strong Context to the situation they're in instead of trying to make a cheap laugh out of someones efforts being completely wasted by the shere idea ofno reward for participating.
Otherwise, Context is a valuable thing that too many writers are taking for granted now a days. Catwomen with full context helping Bruce through a tough time is WAY better then many of the strong female charaters we're stuck with now a days. and it's really nice to see, even in a dark time like that moment was. Salena needs more moments like this, instead of the 'WOmens cause' warrior they keep trying to sell her as, Same for many fi not 'All' female charaters now a day, but we can still hope that more writers will better write the balance back into these stories, instead of trying to battle an invisible war.
If only most women would be as helpful to you like catwoman is to the bat.
I saw the movie. This was my favorite scene with the ending. It shows that above all of this political and WOKE BS, when Carwoman abandoned her robbery to go to Batman's side to comfort him and be a real lover and friend at the time of greatest need, at the end of the day, men and women need each other. Batman comforted Ace and Baby Dahl on TAS. This is kindness returned. At the end when Batman kissed Carwoman, she understood that love they had. She saw another part of Batman's heart that opened up for her when he hit rock bottom.
The running problem with this sort of relationship in storytelling and society is that a strong line of feminism seems to be enhancing the innate desire to keep every moment of weakness to use against anyone who wrongs you.
You see characters do this all the time now, and it’s painted as heroic, rather than petty, when a “progressive” character does it. Every time you add in an element like this, you risk another writer picking up the continuity and using her heroism (Belle et la Bet style female heroism) into a downpayment for later ammunition…
Also I had enough of catwomans character. Any reasonable character would have had enough of her betrayals, and would have either killed her or locked her up in a straightjacket at teh bottom of the ocean. This one panel does not do nearly enough to estabilish her as "best girl". Neither the talk with superman. Her momentarily willing to "put aside her own desires" does not mean she got rid of them. She is ready to be out there stealing and lying the moment she is not needed
I liked working with Tom, he's a really good writer when he's not forcing SJW agenda stuff into the story.
But Selina by default is best girl😉
She's the perfect opposite of Batman.
Will say Lit Dev, this video does feel a little all over the place? I think your point was, as the title says, 'catgirl was best girl' but it felt like it took . . . way too long to get to that point? I feel like there's a lot of context missing, maybe a better knowledge of comics (I mean I have a shallow comic knowledge so I always thought Catgirl and Batman were a thing) so the whole part with superman felt . . . unrelated? And then the rant on modern comics also seemed without the proper context--is it a baseline assumption that modern comics don't do this?? Sorry, just a bit confused.
It's worth remembering that Batman and Superman were *both* wrong in Injustice.