Formula 1 - All Time Drivers' Points using the 25 Pts and Fastest Lap Scoring System

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  • Опубліковано 30 гру 2022
  • We are the Data Dudes. 2 data enthusiasts who make timeline and time-series videos. In this video we have made a FANTASY time-lapse review of every single Formula 1 championship point scored by drivers but applying a points system from the modern era. We use a modern era points system to score every single Grand Prix from GP 1 - BRITAIN 1950 until GP 1079 - ABU DHABI 2022 (the most recent GP at the time of creation).
    So… how exactly have we scored each GP? We have given the top 10 classified finishes in each race the following points for 1st place to 10th place: 25, 18, 15, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 1. Any races were less than 75% of the full distance was completed, we award half points. We also give the driver who has the officially recorded fastest lap an extra point but only if they finish the race classified within the top 10.
    Therefore, this can be more or less considered the ruleset from the 2021 season.
    Applying this ruleset: We do NOT apply sprint race points, nor do we award things like double points to special races as seen in ABU DHABI 2014. Our intention is to try and apply the easiest to understand ruleset whilst removing any advantages gained by one off rule changes, exceptions or recent additions such as said sprint race points or double points races. In short: a more even playing field with regards to points scoring at least. In the cases where podium steps or finishing positions are shared, we simply give both drivers the points, rather than trying to cope with fractional points, or assigning the points on “merit”. We understand there a lot of other ways to apply these rules, but we are trying to keep things as straightforward as possible.
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  • @TheDataDudesF1
    @TheDataDudesF1  Рік тому +46

    Thank you all so much for your comments and suggestions! We've made a video just like you asked with the average points per race, check it out!
    ua-cam.com/video/G7tzsgmnhY4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TheDataDudes

    • @multikannan100
      @multikannan100 Рік тому

      give facts not fictions avg points will turn out very high if you compare the last 10 years to the previous 10 years because the points given now are for the top 10 whereas it was only till the 6th place & much lesser no of points almost more than half less during Schumacher's time

    • @jakemaattanen
      @jakemaattanen 28 днів тому

      Yes, avg points should be calculated from like points are in this video 👍

    • @gussay
      @gussay 28 днів тому +5

      to be properly fair... you need to factor in the number of races per year that the drivers were able race. F1 history has consisted of between 7 and 22 Grands Prix

    • @AaaBbb-ff1pn
      @AaaBbb-ff1pn 27 днів тому +1

      ​​@@gussayexactly ... take the total points of every season and distribuite to drivers in percentage. this give equal points to every years,not counting the number of races

    • @findingandvalue
      @findingandvalue 10 днів тому

      CAn you add 2023 and do it again in 2024?

  • @hotice88uk
    @hotice88uk Рік тому +890

    The moment I saw Fisichella pass Jim Clark was the moment I realised the extent to which career longevity is the main contributing factor in these numbers - I'd be much more interested to see this data indexed against each driver's total number of races.

    • @Astro_Gardener
      @Astro_Gardener Рік тому +50

      Then they would have a point average per race, that might see who has been the best over the years?

    • @simtekgroup3080
      @simtekgroup3080 Рік тому +66

      Came here to say that, nothing against the guy, but Fisichella ahead of Clark and Fangio is a bit…weird 😂

    • @arnaudj.5314
      @arnaudj.5314 Рік тому +67

      Yeah career longevity AND total number of races per season. I love these videos but we still haven't seen the most accurate representation possible yet

    • @duxandrespasha
      @duxandrespasha Рік тому +1

      Myself too. Also I know Indy was championship but it messes things up.

    • @rkentwenger5095
      @rkentwenger5095 Рік тому +13

      Fangio is still by far the best on a per-race basis (I've never seen the calculations by points, but he's #1 per race for wins, poles, and fastest laps...).

  • @adrianopimenta5523
    @adrianopimenta5523 Рік тому +1504

    So sad seeing Senna's counting stopping when we know he could have done much more.

    • @gemellimusic931
      @gemellimusic931 Рік тому +44

      So sad that Clark hadn't a bit enough to overtake Fangio

    • @eduardosantana8300
      @eduardosantana8300 Рік тому +20

      I think we can all see and agree from this video that Hamilton is the GOAT and barrichello is the greatest Brazilian driver of all time.

    • @rns_nickitoloko_psn5775
      @rns_nickitoloko_psn5775 Рік тому +27

      @@eduardosantana8300 cara, pontuação não diz respeito a habilidade ou performance. A diferença da quantidade de corridas por ano da época do Emerson pra hoje é gritante então é óbvio que o rubinho vai ter mais pontos, ele participou de mais de 300 corridas, não tem como vc não pontuar o suficiente correndo mais de 300 corridas

    • @adrianopimenta5523
      @adrianopimenta5523 Рік тому +44

      @@eduardosantana8300, by using this criterion (i.e. points), yes. But there is so much more than points when ranking F1 pilots. As much as I think Barrichello was a great F1 driver (and he definitely was!), saying that he had done better than Senna, Piquet and Fittipaldi sound like a joke.

    • @eduardosantana8300
      @eduardosantana8300 Рік тому +31

      @@roymcgaw7431 I’m being completely sarcastic about everything.

  • @bertdemeulemeester
    @bertdemeulemeester Рік тому +421

    The fact that Alain Prost is still in sixth while being an eighties Icon tells a lot about the man's career.

    • @daisyleedham2275
      @daisyleedham2275 Рік тому +59

      The fact that Fangio was still on the list 60 years on since his last season I find the most impressive

    • @dmytrothecat8317
      @dmytrothecat8317 Рік тому +10

      @sylvano81OM that's why Fangio has 24 wins in 52 starts

    • @leftmono1016
      @leftmono1016 Рік тому +9

      It’s why Senna called Prost a coward for vetoing serious driver team mates.
      Not saying I agree, but Senna said it in an interview.

    • @iblard
      @iblard 11 місяців тому +4

      The fact that the video uses the same point system for everyone makes the time the pilot competed totally irrelevant. Prost would be in the list if he made the same number of points during the 50s than during the 2010s.

    • @AAC42069
      @AAC42069 Місяць тому +11

      ​@@iblard But you forget that there where significantly less races in a season compared to today

  • @r.dekker858
    @r.dekker858 Рік тому +675

    nice list! Still, in the past there were far fewer races. I know it would be near impossible to "calculate" this correctly but I'm sure some "oldies" would end up a lot higher in the ranks.

    • @ronintje7647
      @ronintje7647 Рік тому +38

      You could make it a "per race" list.
      Curious what that would look like, but that would probably also be unfair at some points.
      Bet the USA racers who only drove Indy500 during those 10 years it counted towards F1 would dominate the ranking then despite only driving a few races.

    • @christopherbiomass7155
      @christopherbiomass7155 Рік тому +86

      It would be easy to weight the points. Come up with.a 'standard' number of races per year, then adjust the points from this video up (or down) based on the number of races in that year. If you take 23 as the standard, then the races in 2022 would be 1:1, and a race win would be 25 points. A race win from 2012 (a 20 race season) would be worth 28.75. The points awarded would have the formula = points from this vid * (standard number races per year / number of races that year).

    • @TheDataDudesF1
      @TheDataDudesF1  Рік тому +242

      There is still a way to find a more balanced list though. We are working on it!

    • @xMrManu
      @xMrManu Рік тому +25

      @@TheDataDudesF1 what I was thinking was by percentage in the season (ex. in a 14-race season the maximum points would be 25x14 + 14 for the fastest lap), one could try and calculate how many points from the possible total a driver scored

    • @r.dekker858
      @r.dekker858 Рік тому +3

      @@TheDataDudesF1 thanks, appreciate your efforts :)

  • @chanelboucher
    @chanelboucher Рік тому +249

    You should also find a way to normalize for the number of races per season. In the fifties, Fangio only had about 7 races a season, today they get 22!! Fangio remains the one with the highest average wins (45%), Won on 4 different teams (Maserati, Ferrari, Mercedes and Alfa). Started his career at 40 yrs old. Had but a single racing accident (he had driven himself from Silverstone to Monza and just made he start of the race from last on the grid).

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Рік тому +36

      That’s why ‘win percentage’ is the ultimate F1 stat. The theoretical goal of every F1 driver is to win every single F1 race that he competes in. That would be a 100% win percentage.
      Juan Manuel Fangio has come closer to achieving that goal than any other F1 driver, since he has won 46.16% of the F1 races that he competed in (24 wins out of 52 races). Alberto Ascari is 2nd, with a win percentage of 40.6% (13 wins out of 32 races). And Jim Clark is 3rd, with a win percentage of 34.7% (25 wins out of 72 races). So these are the 3 most successful F1 drivers of all time.
      Lewis Hamilton is in 4th position with a win percentage of 33.2% (103 wins out of 310 races).
      (Note: It’s best to ignore the win percentage of any driver with fewer than 20 races, as any figure of less than 20 is insufficient for a meaningful statistical sample.)

    • @oslinthompson8182
      @oslinthompson8182 Рік тому +1

      That crossed my mind whilst watching the video. Additionally, perhaps only include races that they finished.
      It's different eras and different cars, but interesting nonetheless.

    • @chriskostopoulos8142
      @chriskostopoulos8142 Рік тому +11

      Your average wins would work except modern F1 isn't competitive, in the last 20 odd years it has been dominated to death by one car or the other. First Ferrari, Redbull, Mercedes and now Redbull again. Makes their drivers look better than they perhaps are. Most fans are too stupid to see this obvious issue and think that their manufacturers driver is the greatest ever. E.G. #blessed in the Mercedes.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Рік тому +2

      @@oslinthompson8182 : No, I would include races that the drivers don’t finish. It’s part of the driver’s job to avoid all accidents (even ones that aren’t their fault), and also to look after the car’s machinery so that it doesn’t break down during the race.

    • @timonsolus
      @timonsolus Рік тому +4

      @@chriskostopoulos8142 : Yes, in the old days of unlimited testing, teams would still sometimes create dominant cars, but they would only be dominant for 1 season, or at most 2 seasons, before another team built a better car.
      Mind you, looking back before F1, look up the 1936-1939 Grand Prix seasons - totally dominated by the German Auto Union and Mercedes-Benz teams. They completely destroyed the opposition.

  • @rdgamer3215
    @rdgamer3215 Рік тому +129

    Watching Vettel and Hamilton race each other up the leaderboard in the early to mid 2010's is insane.

    • @P9B
      @P9B Рік тому +10

      Kinda like Kimi and Alonso!

    • @bigsteve4203
      @bigsteve4203 Рік тому +4

      @@P9B but greater. These two dominated a whole decade. Absolute greats of the sport.

    • @anesvick
      @anesvick 27 днів тому +2

      2005-2013 were some of the best years of F1 from a fan standpoint. Why they got rid of the V8's I'll never understand.... they actually had competition on the grid, teams weren't massively overpowered because they spent 1 billion dollars on research and hid it in their parent company.

  • @rhayadervidra6903
    @rhayadervidra6903 Рік тому +55

    Reutemann was the largest surprise in that in the early 80s. Never knew he was that good.

    • @np4029
      @np4029 Рік тому +11

      He was the David Coulthard of his era.

    • @philipking7559
      @philipking7559 Рік тому +2

      I scrolled down to see if anyone else had said this, yeah didn't expect him to be anywhere near the top at any time.

    • @TheKentaurion
      @TheKentaurion 26 днів тому +1

      Reutemann and Hulme was the only names I never heard of before. Seven of these guys are still driving, so there will be changes if the list would be updated as for 2024.

    • @metacosmos
      @metacosmos 10 днів тому

      Coulthard deserved to be world champion but his style was far from the maestro reutemann.

  • @josephneill691
    @josephneill691 29 днів тому +35

    The way Jim Clark jumps so rapidly up to rival Fangio but then stops because of a Formula 2 race always has me thinking of what could have been. He mightn't be the goat, but he's my goat

  • @ZuluRomeo
    @ZuluRomeo Рік тому +65

    Most telling of all is how close Rubens Barrichello and Ayrton Senna ended up. One driver once held the longevity record for most Grands Prix while always playing second best to his team mate, and the other of course burned brightly and ever so short.

    • @theINQBS
      @theINQBS 25 днів тому +4

      Ruby was MUCH better than his record states and had it not been for team intervention he'd have at least one title over Michael on merit. He was that damn brilliantly good. I hate when people talk smack about Rubens. He's an all-time great and deserves respect.

  • @gz3zbz
    @gz3zbz Рік тому +362

    Prost was a boss.

    • @magnusmunch2116
      @magnusmunch2116 Рік тому +24

      I’m not sure on this. But if the morden pointsystem Where in use prost would be a 7 time champ, senna would have 1, lauda didnt win his 3rd with mclaren and nielson lost his last to prost

    • @thomasseyffert1095
      @thomasseyffert1095 Рік тому +35

      @@magnusmunch2116 there is another video out that calculates exactly that, Prost would indeed be a 7 time (nearly 8) champ.

    • @hugoagogo9435
      @hugoagogo9435 Рік тому +2

      @@magnusmunch2116
      I’m sure what you say is correct and I can’t be bothered working it out. But god that’s mind boggling

    • @skodalaskoda8754
      @skodalaskoda8754 Рік тому +9

      the boss

    • @JNST2023
      @JNST2023 Рік тому +12

      @@thomasseyffert1095 Only issue though is that drivers would have driven differently with a different point system

  • @MateusPasseri
    @MateusPasseri 22 дні тому +7

    Need to update this to 2024...

    • @lmao7439
      @lmao7439 4 дні тому

      not much has changed tbh, max only jumped prost uptill now

  • @karlhulme8014
    @karlhulme8014 26 днів тому +9

    My personal winner is the driver who stopped mid conversation with his team during a race practice session and beckoned over a shy 10 year old boy to say hello and give an autograph … the boy was me…the driver Jackie Stewart.

    • @moongate31
      @moongate31 22 дні тому +2

      Sir Jackie is by far my favorite F1 driver of all time as well as the reason I became an F1 fan in the first place. I remember watching him in the early 70s, especially in the Monaco GP. Besides his racing success, perhaps his greater contribution to F1 was improving safety and medical support at the racetrack. He still has the best tag line ever in F1 (said in his high-pitched Scottish burr): "It's a grrreat day for motorrr racing"

  • @h.a.9880
    @h.a.9880 28 днів тому +3

    This chart is crazy. Senna being in the all-time top 10 despite driving much fewer races than those drivers that came after him and Schumacher being stopped just shy of 4k points and still maintains second place... impressive. Verstappen might now be somewhere in the ballpark of Alain Prost, but even so it'll take some time to crack past Vettel and Schumacher.

  • @ivicapavic3381
    @ivicapavic3381 Рік тому +23

    You also need to take into account the fact that seasons had less races during Schumacher's era (16-18 at the most), making his records even more impressive.

    • @6St6Jimmy6
      @6St6Jimmy6 11 днів тому +1

      And reliability improved a ton after 2010 or so.

  • @drewmah8735
    @drewmah8735 Рік тому +69

    It was interesting to see how long Fangio remained in the list.
    Perhaps it should be based on average per race, or maybe remove points for penalties applied in a Grand Prix weekend.

    • @komakie
      @komakie 29 днів тому

      Average per race could work. But the longer the career, the harder to maintain.
      This list is the other way around. The longer you career, the higher you get because of the points you score.

    • @primozsever1367
      @primozsever1367 25 днів тому

      @@komakie Well drivers had long careers also back then, the biggest problem is that they could only score on like 12-16 events per year. In 2000+ They raced 16-18 and I think since 2012 it's 20+ races per season

  • @tompw3141
    @tompw3141 Рік тому +5

    Fangio spent *sixty years* in the top list on-screen. Legend.

  • @pk1342
    @pk1342 Рік тому +33

    Would be interesting if you worked out their points tally for each season using their % finishes in each position and extrapolated that to 22 race seasons for everyone's career.

    • @_Dibbler_
      @_Dibbler_ Рік тому

      Or just calculate points per race...(with this what if everyone had the same points system of course)

  • @darkalman
    @darkalman Рік тому +11

    Prost doesn't get enough credit
    Bonus points for Reubens and Valtteri for being the highest on the list without a championship

  • @harpsw3390
    @harpsw3390 Рік тому +10

    The fact Fangio was still on that list in 2012 on cements how great the man was.

  • @stevenanthony578
    @stevenanthony578 Рік тому +28

    For a proper comparison, you need to show % of available points. This would account for the fact that there are different numbers of races in a season over the years. Without this correction, your list is basically meaningless as it gives current drivers an edge due to the longer calendar they raced to.

    • @MicuBamba
      @MicuBamba День тому

      Meaningless in any case: 6 places allowed points in 90s, so a driver would've risks much more to achieve that position during a race... Or calculate these risks differently.
      These are nothing more than funny stats.

  • @onlynb947
    @onlynb947 Рік тому +71

    Prost is an absolute underrated legend

    • @ftolead
      @ftolead Рік тому +6

      He is my all time favorite.

    • @eduardosantana8300
      @eduardosantana8300 Рік тому +4

      He’s in a three way GOAT battle with Senna and Fangio.

    • @resulnaki
      @resulnaki Рік тому +1

      @@eduardosantana8300 lol you meant with Schumi, Fangio, and Hamilton.

    • @eduardosantana8300
      @eduardosantana8300 Рік тому +11

      @@resulnaki I can add Schumacher to the list sure. Won a championship in a midfield car, just like Prost. Never lost to a teammate during his prime. And until recently was the most successful driver ever (although this stat is the least important as it’s not a accurate measure of skill, but team success).
      Kind of hard to have Hamilton in the goat debate. He lost multiple times to a teammate over the course of an entire season. And while George Russell may turn out to be an all time great, nobody has button and Rosberg on their all time greats list. Losing to button and Rosberg, and now Russell kind of shows that Hamilton isn’t levels above everyone else. He’s a great driver in a great team. He definitely can’t win a championship in a midfield car. His 2008 championship was super impressive.
      He’s not anywhere near Senna in pace.

    • @resulnaki
      @resulnaki Рік тому

      @@eduardosantana8300 Schumi is the goat without a single shroud of doubt. Senna could barely compete with Schumi in his prime while Schumi was a rookie in the 3rd best car. It's Schumi, Fangio, Hamilton, Prost, then Senna/Vettel

  • @profesormajor
    @profesormajor Рік тому +5

    This only proves once again what a beast Fangio was.

  • @marcodhaene
    @marcodhaene Рік тому +88

    It's insane to realise that Max is just 25 but already 7th on this list.
    The dominant Mercedes era is clearly visible when you see Lewis and Valtteri shoot up the ranking.
    Nice to see it like this 😁

    • @Kam1Kaz3NL77
      @Kam1Kaz3NL77 Рік тому +8

      And ofcourse don't forget Nico Rosberg in his equal machinery! :P

    • @PeterJPickles
      @PeterJPickles Рік тому +16

      Remember people called Lewis crazy for going there, as they were very poor at the time, Lewis helped that team become what it became, people forget that, shame....

    • @marcodhaene
      @marcodhaene Рік тому +15

      @@PeterJPickles agreed, but... Schumacher also laid a pretty nice foundation as far as team members, facilities and sponsorships go. Don't forget that as well 😉

    • @pablokenzie47
      @pablokenzie47 Рік тому +5

      ​@@marcodhaene Michael had NOTHING to do with the 2014 Mercedes, His driving style and car setup were completely different from Lewis's, From 2013 Mercedes and Ross Brawn began to build around Lewis after no significant results with Michael. As Michael was a Legend, he brought Awe and inspiration, team morale, and that was about it. But Lewis brought Results. With or without Michael Schumacher, Lewis was destined to bring 8 x Constructors titles to Mercedes. The foundation of Mercedes is 100% Ross Brawn, no other name is worthy to be beside his in this matter.

    • @marcodhaene
      @marcodhaene Рік тому +3

      @@pablokenzie47 that's why I said "foundation as far as team members facilities and sponsorships go". Nothing to do with the car, all with the team behind it 😉

  • @arposkraft3616
    @arposkraft3616 26 днів тому +1

    As a long time coulthard fan i must say it warms my heart and speaks to his consistency to see him among those top greats

  • @RJSRdg
    @RJSRdg Рік тому +64

    Is there any way of "weighting" the scores so that drivers who drove in eras when there were far fewer races than today get more points per race?
    Quite interesting to see though that despite the much higher number of races these days, Hulme, Brabham, Fittipaldi, Graham Hill, Stewart and Lauda all still make the top 32.

    • @quintuscrinis8032
      @quintuscrinis8032 Рік тому +7

      You could probably do a list on percentage of points a driver could have won using this chart. But it then depends how many decimal points you want to work to. And it still wouldn't account for car dominance questions.

    • @gweah7821
      @gweah7821 Рік тому +5

      Just divide the points by the number of races held that year.

    • @thomashancock1462
      @thomashancock1462 Рік тому +4

      Points per race would be the most accurate I would think

    • @davidfoster1762
      @davidfoster1762 Рік тому +1

      Good point

    • @josepedroteixeira3120
      @josepedroteixeira3120 Рік тому

      Points per race

  • @tonycooper4141
    @tonycooper4141 Рік тому +10

    More exciting than many GP's! Wonderful.

  • @danylo4670
    @danylo4670 27 днів тому +1

    The top 7 are a testament to F1 safety evolution as much as success... Many talented driver's lives were cut short in the 60s to early 90s.
    A comparison of points per race entered would be a fascinating comparison of points against the field vs career duration. Just a thought.

  • @SimonvDay
    @SimonvDay 24 дні тому +2

    Epic dataviz! To the point where it was emotional. It was a goosebump moment when Senna didn’t surpass Prost, that is now sealed (career longevity considered).
    The F1 audio track closes out this awesome experience. More please.👌

  • @dirtysideofthetrack
    @dirtysideofthetrack Рік тому +7

    Well that’s had me utterly mesmerized all the way through. Superb!! Now I know you can’t equalize the number of races from season to season but this is as close as you can get. Hits hard watching certain drivers like Clark, Senna etc stop rising way too early.

  • @AdamRizky97
    @AdamRizky97 Рік тому +3

    So once again it's 2012 when the top 5 in this list were racing together, what a season, what a year to be alive to watch the whole 2012 season

  • @DaimonF1
    @DaimonF1 Рік тому +4

    Realy brilliant job, you are the best! Thank you! Nobody has done this table

  • @miguelksas5283
    @miguelksas5283 Рік тому +8

    Que grande el Lole Reutemann!!! prohibido olvidar lo enorme que fue. 💙🤍💙

  • @lcdubs7847
    @lcdubs7847 Рік тому +23

    This is a fantastic way to compare drivers. Thanks for creating that list.

    • @mundoeze
      @mundoeze Рік тому +3

      Not so much because in the past were much less races per season so less points.. but it was interesting to watch

    • @WH0oo...
      @WH0oo... Рік тому +1

      It's a view point absent the complexities and circumstances surrounding a race/season.

  • @Andrew_Fernie
    @Andrew_Fernie 23 дні тому +1

    Holy moly, that was an astounding piece of work !

  • @8enable
    @8enable Рік тому +1

    Great vid
    Wonderful to see so many names from the past
    Thank you

  • @kiwipaul5024
    @kiwipaul5024 Рік тому +3

    Was incredible to see kiwi Denny Hulme finish on the last frame equal to Jack Brabham with who's team he was the only kiwi to win an f1 championship !!

  • @nfineon
    @nfineon Місяць тому +1

    Wow this was very enjoyable to watch, it's a metarace across time in this format, lots of good work!!

  • @StuHolland
    @StuHolland 28 днів тому +2

    This was a bloody brilliant video - god knows how long this must have taken you. Great work!

  • @rubberjohnny1
    @rubberjohnny1 Рік тому +19

    Seeing Jim stop a few races into 68 after only being in the sport 8 years 🥺

    • @jerrylouis8930
      @jerrylouis8930 Рік тому

      This comment deserves all the dislikes, for reason clear to understand.

    • @rubberjohnny1
      @rubberjohnny1 27 днів тому

      @@jerrylouis8930lost to time

  • @jimmymcgoochie5363
    @jimmymcgoochie5363 Рік тому +28

    I’m surprised how far up the list Coulthard is, but then again he could have been a multiple world champion if not for Schumacher.
    A comparison based on average points per race would be informative both to balance the difference in races per year and for those drivers whose careers were cut short- the top 5 have had much longer careers with more races per year than most others which skews the results in their favour.

    • @juhol2923
      @juhol2923 Рік тому +4

      How could Coulthard be a champion when always losing to his teammate in McLaren?

    • @davids3539
      @davids3539 Рік тому +1

      Average per race doesn't show progression/accumulation over time. You could just have the end screen.
      I think giving the points a multiplier where there were fewer races would be good. While I would like to see longevity represented, it's not the drivers' fault that there were fewer races back in the day.

    • @derriethelm1524
      @derriethelm1524 Рік тому

      @@juhol2923 2001 I guess

    • @gemellimusic931
      @gemellimusic931 Рік тому

      @@juhol2923 tbh Coulthard was better number 2 than Rubens in Ferrari. However, he was always forcely put behind Hakkinen

    • @largol33t12
      @largol33t12 Місяць тому

      @@juhol2923 I agree. Hakkinen made him look like a rookie many times. And don't forget, in 1995, while leading the Australian GP, DC crashed
      in the PITS!!!😂😂

  • @jordyheinecke
    @jordyheinecke Рік тому +2

    The background music is just amazing 🙌 Thank you so much for it ☝️

  • @christopherbiomass7155
    @christopherbiomass7155 Рік тому +1

    Nice. I've been waiting for this one. 🙂🏎

  • @ccramit
    @ccramit Рік тому +5

    I honestly thought this was the F1 youtube channel putting this out. It's some guys with less than 1k subs? Impressive.

  • @willbill6449
    @willbill6449 Рік тому +5

    Brilliantly done. Do you have software for this stuff, or did you do this manually?🤔
    Either way, tons of effort, great result. Thank you!

  • @VC_27
    @VC_27 25 днів тому

    Fantastic projection! Loved it.

  • @vosje6130
    @vosje6130 26 днів тому +1

    the music, the editing, this video is really well made, this must have taken you quite a while! RESPECT

  • @alban020587
    @alban020587 Рік тому +34

    Prost is highly underrated. Give him 18gps per season and he tops the ranking.

    • @largol33t12
      @largol33t12 Місяць тому +1

      And remember, he admitted to throwing away several victories because Senna was so hellbent on petty revenge. Prost sometimes just thought (he admitted this in an interview with a magazine) "Second place is fine with me, thank you very much." And a McLaren insider said sometimes this frustrated Senna to no end!

    • @meta7gear
      @meta7gear 26 днів тому +1

      He would be on many peoples top 5 lists if not for the romanticism surrounding Senna.

    • @cchuvan
      @cchuvan 26 днів тому +1

      Give Prost a point system that counts every race in the season and he has something like 8 titles instead of just 4. He's up there in the Pantheon with Schumi, Hamilton and Senna, no question.

    • @marcosvieira6198
      @marcosvieira6198 26 днів тому

      Alain Prost is a scam. 89 belongs to Senna.

  • @artifundio1
    @artifundio1 Рік тому +4

    OMG, what a masterpiece!! Thank you, thank you, thank you. I know I am going to rewatch this 👌

  • @jr-g
    @jr-g Рік тому

    Awesome video! Lovely data visualization.

  • @BTG07
    @BTG07 Рік тому +2

    I always wondered about this, and now i dont have to wonder anymore.

  • @gamerkat99
    @gamerkat99 Рік тому +6

    Absolute. Mega. Chad @TheDataDudes. How long did THIS TAKE TO MAKE?

  • @chrismuz
    @chrismuz Рік тому +6

    Good job! - Interesting:
    1. 7 Brits, 5 Brazilians, 4 Germans (+ Rindt), 3 Finns, 3 Aussis, 2 French, 2 Austrians, 1 Spaniard, 1 Dutch, 1 Mexican, 1 Kiwi, 1 Argentinian, 1 Italian
    2. Fangio not in the top 32
    3. Only a single Italian (but 3 Finns!)
    4. Berger > Lauda.

    • @Ahito1984
      @Ahito1984 Рік тому +2

      5. Barrichello > A. Senna LOL

    • @chrismuz
      @chrismuz Рік тому +1

      @@Ahito1984 True, I overlooked that one

    • @soundscape26
      @soundscape26 Рік тому +1

      Italy doesn't have a F1 champion since 1953 and Ascari is still the Italian driver with more GP wins at 13. Italiy's strength in F1 is much more connected to Ferrari than its home grown drivers.

  • @MickPsyphon
    @MickPsyphon Рік тому +2

    When you compare the number of races per season that each of the drivers in the top 10 or 20 raced in, it's heavily biased in favour of the current drivers. It also doesn't take other factors into play, but I won't hijack the comments with that discussion. Suffice to say that it would be worth looking into a way to weigh the scores through the number of races that were on the season calendar. I think many people would be surprised to see those results.
    On another note, this does shine a light on just how good some of the great drivers of the past were. Sir Stirling Moss was truly the greatest driver to never have won a championship; and he deserves to be in the ranks with the champions. Then there are those drivers who died, before they had a chance to give us a full career of superb racing. Jim Clark. Gilles Villeneuve. Ayrton Senna. Imagine....

  • @midslam
    @midslam Рік тому +1

    This was great to see.
    Would be interesting to see them all with the same number of races per season (i.e. the shorter seasons have races/points calculated as a percentage of their actual results for that season).
    Fantastic content as always fellas.

  • @LimeyTX
    @LimeyTX Рік тому +4

    What would be interesting would be to see the same table but with points divided by starts to adjust for the fact that there are so many more races today.

    • @ruppert5134
      @ruppert5134 Рік тому +1

      In that case I think Fangio and senna and maybe verstappen would be top3...... I would include finishes too

    • @fredschepers5149
      @fredschepers5149 27 днів тому

      So what stops you to create such?
      I think many would love to see that..
      👍🏻

  • @Rob-hc5ry
    @Rob-hc5ry Рік тому +5

    That’s brilliant … great to see all those drivers names from the past and Lewis at the top..

  • @greggesaman535
    @greggesaman535 Рік тому +1

    Agreed. I felt the same about Jim Clark. Two of the best that were gone before their time.

  • @tadroid3858
    @tadroid3858 26 днів тому

    That was awesome. Do it again!!

  • @MrJiminibobster
    @MrJiminibobster Рік тому +7

    I would also be really interested to see if, using this scoring system for previous seasons, there would be an years where it would have led to a different driver winning the WDC?!

    • @reldwob22
      @reldwob22 Рік тому +2

      Many times! There are websites and video that show this. But you drive to the points that are available, so drivers would have made different decisions if they had different points, so you cannot really say things would have been different. We are so lucky that there are always the very best in F1, at any time, in any era.

    • @n8pls543
      @n8pls543 Рік тому

      IIRC, some people did that and determined that Prost was actually incredibly close to being a 7 time WDC, which speaks volumes about his career consistency despite how many teams he drove for.

  • @magicofshootingstar5825
    @magicofshootingstar5825 Рік тому +3

    This was interesting statistic. 🙂 I just were thinking would it be more fair if there wouldn't be fastest lap point because in 60 years they weren't specifically after that and "lost" many easy points in this statistic because of that. 🤔

  • @burninglion2584
    @burninglion2584 26 днів тому

    It's very interesting watching this animated - you can clearly see the improvement with each driver as they rose the ranks, and why they were stood out for greatness.

  • @biker75
    @biker75 26 днів тому

    That song makes epic every single video! Nice info, thanks... Very heavy names on top

  • @Anriandor
    @Anriandor Рік тому +3

    Truly the greatest of all time 🏁

  • @Chiefwilburthegreat
    @Chiefwilburthegreat Рік тому +4

    it made me depressed watching lewis catch Michael knowing that he could not be stopped

  • @pjgtech
    @pjgtech 27 днів тому

    Nice data dive thank you

  • @ninjamoraes
    @ninjamoraes Рік тому +1

    Esse é o maior favor que você fez para todos que gostam de Fórmula 1. Meus agradecimentos.

  • @JonnyOpinionated
    @JonnyOpinionated Рік тому +14

    This is an amazing list - I didn't even think of considering ranking them this way. Did anyone watch this and think "Who the hell is Carlos Reutmann?"

    • @C_and_C...
      @C_and_C... Рік тому +3

      The guy came a Las Vegas carpark away from being 1981 world champion.

    • @rkentwenger5095
      @rkentwenger5095 Рік тому +2

      I was a little surprised Reutemann was so high, but I started as an F1 fan in the 70s, so no, I didn't think that.

    • @saltbjorn
      @saltbjorn Рік тому

      No.

    • @148quickbricks
      @148quickbricks Рік тому

      I knew who he was but I was shocked to see him go top at one point

  • @Snoflakes_1
    @Snoflakes_1 29 днів тому +6

    I was looking forward to Verstappen's absolute launch that was 2022 and 2023, but I guess this video isn't recent enough for that

    • @RiminiVirage
      @RiminiVirage 26 днів тому +1

      Thankfully! Are points removed for being gifted a world title by an incompetent race director?

    • @oktimusbrime6751
      @oktimusbrime6751 26 днів тому +2

      ​@@RiminiVirage Cry me a river 😂

    • @grahamleigh8398
      @grahamleigh8398 26 днів тому +1

      @@oktimusbrime6751won’t go away. 😂. Max hasn’t even started yet.

    • @clipanddone
      @clipanddone 24 дні тому

      @@RiminiVirage My god Rimi get over it already... Shal we also take one championship away from Lewis then ? Masa was cheated out if this in '08 because of Renault.
      Both are legal WC.

  • @RJSRdg
    @RJSRdg Рік тому +8

    Of course the one factor that cannot be taken into account is those drivers of the past whose careers were cut short by fatal or life-changing accidents that today's drivers would walk away from.

  • @stevemorris3710
    @stevemorris3710 26 днів тому

    This is amazing!

  • @JoeCobragaming
    @JoeCobragaming Рік тому +4

    What blows me away is that alonso finishes in 4th and has only won 2 world championships compared to the guys above him. Goes to show what a legend he is.

  • @sarahroberts8724
    @sarahroberts8724 26 днів тому

    Impressive video! Thank you.

  • @pieterr.vandermerwe756
    @pieterr.vandermerwe756 26 днів тому

    Amazing. Keep them coming. Great data hygiene and representation

    • @pieterr.vandermerwe756
      @pieterr.vandermerwe756 26 днів тому

      One can literally see what the meteorological rise of Verstappen looks like towards the end of the video

  • @Jordanmilo
    @Jordanmilo Рік тому +5

    That was very cool. Lots of surprises: How far Lewis is ahead of Michael. How well all the Brazilians on the list did; I didn't expect Felipe and Rubens to place so high, since they are without titles. And Kimi and Fernando are surprisingly high, since they've both had seasons where they struggled. Thanks for putting that together. It's very illuminating.

    • @michaeltrumph121
      @michaeltrumph121 Рік тому +1

      Hamilton has competed in way more races than Schumacher and has had the best car out there for a longer period of time.

    • @brolo7234
      @brolo7234 Рік тому +3

      Not really surprising at all. Hamilton has always been in the best teams and has been racing for far longer. Schumacher went to Ferrari when they were at their worst.

  • @joerogers9626
    @joerogers9626 Рік тому +3

    Is Max the only driver here for whom his entire career has been under one points system? And if so, why does his points tally not match that quoted elsewhere of 2011.5 pts?
    Edit: Great video by the way ☺ Forgot to say. Always wondered how this would pan out for the all-time greats.

    • @joerogers9626
      @joerogers9626 Рік тому +5

      Oh wait... Sprint Races? 🙄

    • @TheDataDudesF1
      @TheDataDudesF1  Рік тому +11

      Yeap! Sprint races do not count!

    • @TheRoboteer
      @TheRoboteer Рік тому +1

      @@joerogers9626 They also only (re)introduced the fastest lap point in 2019.

  • @911jdc
    @911jdc Рік тому

    That was incredible!

  • @sotitofanschop
    @sotitofanschop Рік тому +1

    I did the same not too long ago! I plotted it differently. Accumulating over time with points on Y axis and time on X axis. That way you can really see who stands out from their peers and comparing well races per season etc. Wikipedia has one graph like that but without adjusting the scoring system. To me it was clear Fangio, Clark, Stewart, Lauda, Prost, Schumi and Hamilton so above everyone else, absolute rock stars. Also highlighting how Alonso absolutely broke through in 2-3 years clear of everyone else.

  • @Lucas-xj3fh
    @Lucas-xj3fh Рік тому +4

    *Prost* chad

  • @trance9158
    @trance9158 Рік тому +5

    Lewis and Bottas!! Lewis on top will piss off a lot of haters.

    • @fredschepers5149
      @fredschepers5149 27 днів тому

      😂😂😂😂 is that all you've got out of this 😂😂😂😂
      Did you actually know the names on this list before, or was you just interested to see where Hamilton ended... 😂😂😂😂

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 27 днів тому +1

      @@fredschepers5149 kid... I've been watching F1 since 1980. I've seen these drivers race. Try something more creative.

  • @Leftfield71
    @Leftfield71 Рік тому +2

    Just for a second I thought Sir Jack Brabham was going to make it to the top spot, but he fell just a few points short. Sad,
    He is an under rated Triple World Champion who was one of the best drivers of his era.

  • @damiansilvester9928
    @damiansilvester9928 28 днів тому

    Awesome animation of stats! Good programming!

  • @callmeshaggy5166
    @callmeshaggy5166 Рік тому +2

    Pretty impressive in terms of raw success and longevity that both Schumacher brothers are in the top 30 all-time.

  • @IskanderVFX
    @IskanderVFX 29 днів тому +1

    Incredible that Fangio don't make the list at the end even normalizing the points, that even Checo and Ralph have more points 😅

  •  Рік тому +1

    I also like to consider the age/era when some of those pilots competed.
    The eighties was an era that pilots like Niki Lauda, Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna, Nelson Piquet, Nigel Mansell, Bellof, Keke Rosberg, Derek Warwick, Michele Alboretto, and even a later Michael Schumacher raced one against each other, with beasts up to 1200HP, manual gear, no traction control, etcetera.

  • @atgordon1948
    @atgordon1948 26 днів тому

    Brilliant!

  • @PG-20
    @PG-20 Місяць тому +1

    It took 12 years for someone to catch up to Fangio’s points total.
    Just GOAT things

  • @benvallentine7197
    @benvallentine7197 Рік тому

    What an amazing graphic. Was just like watching a race!

  • @siouex
    @siouex 26 днів тому

    Fascinating data, it took me 30min to go through this 7min clip

  • @izmesamsung2581
    @izmesamsung2581 Рік тому

    Fantastic!!!

  • @TheUKNutter
    @TheUKNutter Рік тому

    This is something I’ve always asked myself as a kid. I’m glad it’s now a reality. Really good stuff

  • @liraca
    @liraca День тому

    What a good exercise, and in the past there were fewer races, but I still think that it does give a true ranking in terms of fairer points.

  • @RahatBinKamal
    @RahatBinKamal Рік тому

    Tremendous effort

  • @chivskigaming
    @chivskigaming 15 днів тому +1

    This video needs yearly updates.

  • @rakeshmistry5037
    @rakeshmistry5037 Рік тому

    Very well done. Excellent work.
    Would now from there be cool to see the percentage points per race considering the length of the older drivers careers.

  • @jaryd12345
    @jaryd12345 4 дні тому

    There’s a lot of things you could take away from this but my main one is that it’s crazy that Stirling Moss stayed on the visible top 30 list until the late 90s despite him never winning the world championship!

  • @donwheeler1683
    @donwheeler1683 25 днів тому

    Wow! That was fantastic to watch! Drivers names I didn't even know plus up and coming drivers and their quick success shown......waiting for a Verstappen update!

  • @fasthracing
    @fasthracing Рік тому

    Great work. Was amazed at how long Graham Hill stayed at the top.

  • @balearicunlimited5981
    @balearicunlimited5981 Рік тому

    Alesi!Love this!

  • @CanalMedieval
    @CanalMedieval 27 днів тому +1

    Great analysis. The last championships, however, had many more races and the pilots get more points. Ex.: 2024 = 24 races; 1993 has only 16! It's 50% more races now. Not to mention the points of sprint races of this times. It would be great if we can rearrange it into a percentual system, equalizing not only the points system, but also, in a certain way, the number of races. The final ranking must be very different and more proportional.