Budget KLON KLONE battle-
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2021
- Klons Klones are kinda boring, They are best used as a boost and yet the originals go for $$$$$$$$ WHY???? Watch in wonder as I nitpick 4 budget klon options against the normally prices Mojo Hand Sacred Cow (my Klone of choice)
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This was long and kinda boring for me, but maybe it was useful to someone, anyways, thanks for watching.
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They all sound shite, and fit right in with your playing.
Tell us where the Klon touched you inappropriately...
With your writing ability maybe you could do the lyrics to accompany Ryan's playing. Will fit right in.
If you're going to troll, at least be good at it.
@@SD_Marc 🤣
Gear reviews are silly when the reviewer can't play. It's like a person who can't drive reviewing a sports car. How can you review gear when you can't play?
As a 40 year old beginner approaching intermediacy, I appreciate all these videos because I can only afford affordaboard/affordanamp/affordaguitar products. I’m WELL on my way to being an affordapro. Thanks Ryan
With shrewd choices, you'll want for nothing, and certainly won't fall short of more affluent players. The likes of you and I just have to make a little more effort, and you know what!?
Its a beautiful thing.
Any help, or any opinion I can share, as a 30+ year player who actually pays his rent with music, please, by all means, hit me channel and leave a comment. We got a good circle of players who between them all must have owned everything by now..! And cheap-but-bloody-good is my field of expertise!
Bless you and yours, from little old England
@@blacktoothfox677 You pay rent with music? What dark sorcery is this you speak of?
The Klon is the most over hyped, over priced pedal on this planet. I wouldn't even bother buying a cheap clone. So many better affordable options.
I am Po' Folk myself. Diligent research and shopping has gotten me some great cheap pedals. You can get brand name stuff used on Reverb at good prices too. SCHECTER guitars are EXCELLENT for the money. I didn't skimp on my amp though. I saved up for 6 months and bought a Marshall DSL5CR. Hell, lots of guys would consider that afford-a-amp territory anyway.
@@smartacus88 Oh yes! The Schecter Diamond series, is a poor mans treasure vault! I got a Demon 6 with my tax return at the beginning of the year. DEAR LORD! I had no idea what I was getting myself into! On paper it’s not that fancy. It’s made out of bass wood. But it is nothing shy of phenomenal! Paid 330$ for it!
I really liked this video. Thanks for doing this series Ryan.
I wish I could give you multiple thumbs up. Very entertaining as always. Like having your crazy friend dig through your pedal collection. Excellent video.
I bought the Wish Klon a few months ago. I love it. It wasn't expensive and is more of a transparent boost. No distorting, especially at high gain levels. Thanks for the shoot out!
Push it with another boost. I use my Dolamo D-8 Overdrive as a boost, to push my DOD FX50B Overdrive Plus, even though it's a proper overdrive itself.
The mosky has changed my life.. my sound is now 2 of those on my live and recording board
I have a Klon circuit on one of my pedals and I just use it as an always on boost. Something about it just automatically sweetens the tone of the clean sound. The gain staging doesn't really come through playing in a bedroom but it does push the sound forward in a mix with an overdriven amp. I love the circuit but prefer the tone of other overdrives for bedroom playing.
Awesome as always man! I’m using the Way Huge Conspiracy Theory, sounds great. But it’s crazy how much these Klones sound alike.
Thank you for doing this comparison. I enjoyed it.
This is a nice review. I actually like the Mosky quite a bit with gain higher up, but I agree that the wish version seemed closest.
Heck yeah man! Do an afford a amp series! My suggestion is Quilter Micro Block 45, Foxgear Plexi 55, Mooer Baby Bomb 30, Vox Micro amps! Those pedalboard amps need more love.
Monoprice hit me up about covering one of their $200 tube amps. When they get back in stock they will send it my way and I figure that will kick off the affoard-a-amp journey. I have a bunch of IR/Cab sim boxed i need to shoot out too.
@@60CycleHumcast Those Monoprice tube amps need to infiltrate the US in bulk, because dirt cheap tone chasers like me need to get their hands on them...I've seen them being resold for like $350 because they're not easily accessible here...
Love my Bugera V55. I picked it up for less than a V22 when Amazon wasn't selling them.
I swapped in Sovtek 5881 military equivalents. They make the amp sound like an Orange and a Bassman made sweet love.
@@AJvsEverything dude, if you're handy with a soldering iron, Mojotone is the place to go. If not, tube rolling a Bugera Vintage series is a good time, too.
@@60CycleHumcast Orange Terror stamp is really cool. $150!
I got a Wish Klon for 32 bucks, liked it so much I bought another just to have. Of course the second one cost more, but well under 100 bucks for both!
The duality of Philips
I have like 6 different Klon ones. Including the Wish. I love them all lol. I stack them, put them with a Tube Screamer … I dunno I like that kind of low gain thing. I know nothing about pedals lok
Thanks for doing this. I wondered if the wish Klone was worth it and now I will be ordering one!
I own the Mosky, got it for less than $30 on eBay- it's great! I wonder if the EQ might be a bit different on the Mojo Hand one than an original style Klon.
An afforada-amp series is what the world needs!
The Klon is not *supposed* to have a "sound". It was designed to bring out the best sound of a tube amp, NOT to have an overdrive sound of its own, the way a TS-9, or SD-9, or Rat, or KoT does, independent of amp. If you are expecting it to sound "good" into your Peavey, Crate, or Fender solid-state amp, you will be sorely disappointed.
If a person bought a Klon Centaur from Bill Finnegan, it would normally entail a 20-30 minute phone call, during which he would inquire about your rig and playing style. If he felt the pedal would not add anything, he would discourage purchase. Unfortunately, those phone calls ate into his build time, and were partly responsible for the backlog and delays. Those delays, in turn, resulted in people willing to pay large sums on E-bay just to be able to buy something right away (and I suppose have some bragging rights, given their relative rarity). But E-bay purchases did not come with the phone chat with Bill. So people expecting the heavens to part for their $500 were invariably disappointed, but heartened when they found they could flip the pedal for even more on E-bay to equally impatient people. Flip after flip inflated the price, none of which Bill ever received a penny of, beyond the original retail sale.
Bill contacted me in 2007 to help him with something some unnamed customers wondered if the pedal could do. He sent me two ungooped boards, one of them with every single component socketed so I could tinker with values, and a schematic (all of which was returned, intact). The build quality was exceptional. Small wonder that many "name" musicians relied on it, because it would undoubtedly hold up to the rigors of the road, just like equally-pricey Pete Cornish pedals. Many resistor values on the schematic were crossed out and other very close values replaced them. All of that makes me think there was no "definitive" circuit one could point to, although Bill stressed to me that any mods I made HAD to use the existing board layout, without any changes. So the general design remains constant, but whether any clones use the values Bill viewed as optimal is another matter.
It remains one of the most misunderstood and misrepresented pedals ever made.
Thanks for making this. Ive been wanting a "Klone" just to try, but not wanting to buy a high dollar version in case i dont like it.
i like the idea of stacking Klons. i think Keeley really nailed this idea with the Oxblood. Two Klon power in one pedal.
I have the Mosky and it's great, given that I don't need it much. I much prefer a Timmy or Blues Driver too
I'm not one for Klon's but when Neal Casal uses it.... heavenly
RIP. He was the BEST.
FWIW, I have a different variant of the no-name Wish/Ali Express one on the right (jacks on the sides, LED doesn't have any kind of holder, and it actually says CENTAUR near the foot switch) and when you open it up, what's inside is an assembled kit (the kit is almost the same price, which is why I went for the prebuilt one) that's essentially a 1:1 copy of the original de-gooped Klon PCB that hit the internet in the 2000s. Sounds great. I've seen shots of the inside of the variant you have and the PCB layout is different but I don't know if there are any other changes.
I think what you might be hearing is the difference between a 1:1 copy of the Klon using average parts vs. a Klon-like pedal that has probably been fine-tuned a bit.
I love the Klon sound. The Mosky brand that sells for under $30 sounds very good for the money. No need to spend thousands.
Just bought one
I like the Klon circuit, but the hype and prices of the real deal is hilarious. That said, my choice is a v3 Chellee Ponyboy, and I got mine used for maybe $100. My favorite feature of that pedal (aside from the handy bass knob) is the switch that goes from the very common schottky diodes to the fabled germanium 1N34A diodes and it makes literally no perceptive difference, something that the builder basically admits in much kinder words in his ad copy for the pedal, but people demanded germanium so he gave it to them, lol.
I bought the Decibelics Grand Royal. I love it so far it has two switches so you can have a clean channel and overdrive channel. they run about $450, not affordaboard material, but great sounding with stacking pedals that need a bit more tone control.
Using a Klon, real or clone, for that slight boot is such a waste of a pedal. A $20 boost is more useful. When you crank it up, it can sound really good with nice distortion but most people will still want to run a TS or other type of dirt pedal along with it.
I have a Donner booster that lives in front of my Cry Baby, the an OSR-1 after the wah. The ODR gets 12v, for a sweet, creamy, oh so touch sensitive OD that gets pushed into moderately heavy clipping when pushed by the booster.
When I switch my amp to the high gain channel and run the boost and ODR, it clips like a really nice fuzz.
this is basically what Josh from JHS says as well regarding the clipping circuitry, which is the distinguishing factor of the Klon.
I got a Meat and 3 modded Soul Food that someone did at home. For $83 three yrs ago. It's got great sounds and stacks very well with my Blues Driver and/or my older 3 knob modded with the bias knob Tube Driver. Lots of fun tones with these 3 drives.
I love the Sacred Cow with the gain turned all the way up. Nice tone.
Josh Scott showed that the caline pegasus can be set to be identical to his #2 klon real deal. Im not sure you have the Pegasus but something different there, or the mojo hand version is itself just slightly different. I would get the caline pegasus if I wanted the klon sound
It's because there are so many reviewers that don't know anything about parts tolerance. People just set the knobs the same and expect them to sound the same.
Two Good Klon clones in sequence can work. One full time clean boost then an extra dirty boost when you want to muck around.
Glad we at least found out that if you stack enough klons on max gain you can doom and if you bump up the tone knobs you can black metal
I find them type a good base sound, that you can layer fuzz\distortion over. Not very good alone. But definitely bring something to the tone
Agreed.
I think if you stacked the same brand it would be better. I kinda dug the feedback tone w all set to high gain, but too many resonant frequencies made it too thick not in a good way.
Nice comparison, but I missed the tc electronic Zeus Overdrive and the Nux Horseman OD.
The Way Huge Conspiracy Theory is an awesome Klon type Klone
That's the one I want next!
I have several pricey overdrives and bought the Klon Clone on the far right a few years ago for the hell of it. I was not at all disappointed at the result, and it is on my board quite often. A very convincing Klon clone, as several UA-camrs have found out, but in the end, it's all in the hands as others have plugged into my rig and they sound totally different. But as for "boring" ? it does exactly what it should, after all ! it IS a low gain drive.
Klon, Tube Screamer, and a lot of drive, overdrive and 'low gain' distortions - I don't get the hang of 'em. Crank up the amp or use a fuzz. Or both. And if you -like me- think it's hard to work with the volume on your guitar, to make a fuzz work with a bit of subtlety, you can practise harder than I do, or get a volume pedal maybe... 😉
Great video as always.
If you gig, they’re a good insurance policy against poor back lines and/or ‘sound engineers’.
I put a horsie on a pedal but it doesn’t sound like this I think I did it wrong. Oh okay. Once they were all on and cranked we got something more my speed. Heck yes.
I ordered one of those cheap ass Mosky numbers and the one I got was amazing. It sounded great. It was like all the best cleanish overdrive stuff I love from like, Nada Surf or something.
Only problem was, it was kind of noisy.
So anyway, I broke that one. Accidentally plugged it into a 12V power supply and it died within seconds.
No biggie right? It was only $20.. So I ordered another one. And the one I have now doesn't quite have the same mojo that the other one did. Ah, well. I don't have that much use for it anyways.
You are good people, Sixty-.
Joy in our astonishing sonic craft is the paramount consideration above all others...
You add to our body of experience with these videos. Some serious lines of tonal enquiry being followed with your dicking around like today - love your channel mate, love the content. Very specific, and unusual. Not a re-tread of our Josh, or That Pedal Show, or 5-watt world, or Mad Malko, or, actually... ME!
You absolutely EARN your seat at the grand table of Tone, with your original, light-hearted, yet sincere, and interesting work.
Best wishes from little old England...
I don't get overdrives that are just "natural-sounding tube/amp-like distortion"- like, why don't you just turn up your amp's volume if that's what you want? And if you want the amp to distort without being too loud, there are devices that help you do that.
Pedals like that have absolutely no character. I don't even think they sound "natural", especially considering most classic rock guitarists were using treble boosters, fuzzes, and early distortion pedals to drive their amps.
The Nu-X Horseman is another Affordaboard candidate. I had a Mosky but it died on me after just a few months. The Nu-X has way more headroom (and an almost identical sound to the Mosky) it also has a second function called "silver mode" -- where there's more gain. Very affordable too. I love it for my P90 and humbucker guitars. Not so keen with my Strat.
the mosky silver horse has a silver option too
klonnoisseur made me laugh, subscribed
I love my Mosky💛🐎 paired with my Fender Bassbreaker.
Also you should get one of the Earl Slick guitars from gfs.
I got Foxpedal’s “The Kingdom” for half-off ($85 instead of $180) and it sounds great. It has a positive review from 60CH in 2016 and a positive review from me in 2021
Wish Klon Clone for the win!! Thanks for the vid man. Not boring at all.
WAIT - NO TWO PRICETONS THEME :0( LOL LOOKING FORWARD TO AFFORD-A-AMP SERIES.....
I don't understand the klon, I think you can get that kind of sound with almost any overdrive at minimum gain.
I like the ending with all pedals on at once. they should make a pedal like that and call it the "Death Klon"!
Hay uno similar, se llama Fuzzface...
I have the Caline, and it sounds good to me.
I bought a WISH Klon for $27, but it’s been slowly climbing in price. It sounds great and still at least $125 less than the Sacred Cow.
It's sitting at $50 now
Have you ever done an affordaboard power supply video? I am brand new to pedals. I bought the moskey and a couple of azor pedals. I also bought a lekato looper. So, four pedals and a daisy chain power supply. I do plan to upgrade everything but the Lekato puts out a giant amount of static. I don't know if there is a good power supply with isolated power maybe? I don't know what I'm saying for sure here just using words I hear in videos. :)
Mr black has an excellent article about power supply noise on his site. Go look that up. I’ve used numerous budget power supplies and the vast majority of the time they work just fine. When you start getting into high ma specialty pedals is when you will need fancy power bricks.
The wish one is actually closer in EQ to an actual Klon. You probably shouldn't just point the knobs in the same exact settings...... That's often a bit different on different pedals and clones.
A Kloniseur. 👏🏼
I didn't think that was boring at all. Especially because I own a Mosky Golden Horse. Super pleased with it. You didn't play it to it's full potential: all pedals sound best with all knobs on 2o'clock (accordi g to Mick from that pedal show, and it DOES sound good at that setting, on it's own). However, I use it just after my blues drive (vintage OD by Saphue), all settings at 10-11, just a little darker, no clipping and only a slight boost.
By the way, if I weren't going budget affordaboard (mostly for my kid), I'd go for the TC Electronics Zeus, Wampler Tumnus, or the Wampler Belle. They al. Sound phenominal! But are all over €50, which is the max I'm willing to spend on a pedal ;-)
How close Ryan can you get to Nokie Edwards tone?
I don't know if generally an effect other than maybe a GE fuzz can be hurt by too big an input from other effects, but I get worried seeing the expensive effect last during stacking. I'd have it first.
by the time you are hearing it through youtube compression and phone speakers the buffers really don't make that huge a of difference. (I know people will try to fight me on this but seriously, no one is hearing the audio any where near pristine in this format.)
Yes they are available $45 from wish
Klonoseur I like that. So anyway I don’t know a lot about pedal overdrive , I always used the just master vol on amps. I was alway that “ oh I don’t do pedals” guy. I’ve changed. I have a Soul Food with a Tube Screamer in front. I love it. Only thing is is in 6 months I’ll have 25 different OD pedals. Gawd.
Budge rental car is my fave ..
I don't need any over drive. If I choose one, BOSS MT-2.
What! No 8-bit Two Prince(ton)s?
You should call all the rejected Klons "The Bad Batch"
Whenever I see anyone in danger of falling for Klon hype, I direct them to the Shnobel video where he does a back and forth against an old Tube Screamer, and gets damn near identical tones out of the TS. He also does one with a Rat against the KTR, and up until 10:00 on the Rat's distortion knob, again, almost identical (the Rat's actually a bit better sounding to my ears).
I love a Rat at low gain settings.
Joshua Evans It’s a great tone. Mine is never above 10:30 - 11:00 since I found that out.
Try a Rat into a Klon, or a Klon into a Rat. Both are very fun. Interestingly, that's what the IdiotBox MK pedal does with a switch :)
Yeah, I think it’s so bizarre how Bill Finnegan supposedly disliked the Tube Screamer so much it inspired him to make the Centaur, and what he and his MIT engineering help came up with is a mid-humped hard clipping overdrive (that sounds worse than a Tube Screamer).
@Earendil's Star at the same time I TOTALLY understand the Klon hate, for many pickup/amp setups it can really kill your sound, no EQ can fix what's literally missing.
With a 4x12" even with a low wattage amp a Klon can sound great. On a single 12" or smaller speaker and with certain pickups your mileage may vary.
I just experimented the other night with the pickup simulator built into my old Boss GT6 (after reading some of the comments here and skimming some JHS vids' for the advice) before my Klon and wow, what a difference!
The Guitar Fetish single coils on my Tele shine just as nice as the Seymour Duncan humbuckers in my Les Paul!
Also I've noticed it can act VERY differently in an FX loop than before the amp input.
Anyhow, I've ordered a 1:1 copy Mogoo to accompany my Moskey :)
On the other hand, I've also gone down the rabbit hole of fuzz pedals.
Likely next getting an Op-amp EH Muff to occompany my Proco Rat clone, then likely going for an IdiotBox.
As another Philip, I would like to give my two cents. I trust my taste, Klons bore the life out of me, give me a Blue Driver every day of the week.
Just don't look directly at the Mosky LED or you'll burn out your retina.
when it comes to light drives I'm a big fan of the Caline High Chief. I got mine for 35 bucks and it's a dual overdrive with two different flavors of light drives.
I don't even know what category it's listed (transparent OD?) but I just picked up the Caline Pure Sky for $34 and I absolutely love it.
@@MrPhins yeah I have been pretty impressed with the Caline stuff with the exception of the Tantrum, it's got an HM-2 feel to it but it just feels loose and sloppy. Not bad, just not my flavor. The others are all pretty good for my style though.
@@MrPhins you can’t beat a Pure Sky for the money my friend, a cracking pedal, also the Orange Burst by Caline is a great sounding pedal and worth checking out.
I listen with earphones and your two Princeton's bypassed tone is always as dry as Melba toast! Besides that, I love your show dude!
I keep the amps dialed in pretty flat to chose off the pedals that im demonstrating instead of showing off the amps. If i was recording a song id have them set up much differently.
Great video
I use my Klone (Joyo Tauren) full volume and gain into the crunch channel of my Marshall DSL, and holy shit it sounds heavy. A surprisingly great metal tone.
I have the Joyo Tauren as well and every distortion channel I have boosted with it has sounded 2X better. That pedal is not leaving my board.
Yeah, I wish the Tauren had been in the lineup! I’m about to order one…
I think thats the thing the Klon videos never really cover, yet from comments , lots of folks use them that way. I don't get them as a normal sound enhancer, my guitars all sound good unenhanced or they're gone But to keep distortion focused might be their secret.
Any experience or thoughts on Xavier LP style guitars?
I haven't tried any
Klone Klon Kastaroply..omg...What do I do!?
I honestly kinda liked the sound of them stacked with high gain 😅 maybe not the squealing, but the distortion was unique
Budget was* spelled wrong, I love you!
I had passed on your message and Ryan fixed it during the premier.
Everyone hates the Boss DS-1, and you can often find them at yard sales and laying on the ground at practice spaces, because nobody knows how to use them. If you turn the distortion all the way down, you can use the volume knob as a clean boost. Don't buy a klon.
Nerver understood the fuss around this pedal. I better off with a MojoMojo anytime.
that Sacred Cow seems to be quite good
But costs 3-4 times more than the other pedals demonstrated in the review. Something to consider for those on a limited budget.
I think they don't stack well cuz they all come in different shapes and sizes. That must be it
I had high expectations about Klons but for me it's a disappointment it sounds very weak and bright (to my ears). Even a Blues drive or a Timmy or some booster and pre amps sound with more full-bodied sound..
People who buy original Klons are either elite huge rock stars who buy 3 at a time. Or complete jag offs who's hands will never touch a guitar in any meaningful way. People who buy or watch Klon clone demos are even lower down the line and should have to knock on all their neighbors doors to let them know who they are and what they do behind closed doors on the Internet.
I prefer using the klon klones with a humbucker.
This.
Same. I've got a Nu-X Morning Star (a clone of the JHS Morning Glory -- which is in turn based on the Marshall Bluesbreaker). I use that for my Strat and love it, but it's the Nu-X Horsemen for the humbucker and P90 guitars. Sweet sound. Tightens everything up nicely.
I agree I think that sacred cow right there will make an excellent preamp I just bought a JHS PG-14 which is supposed to be in overdrive but I think it's a lot more I'm finding all kinds of really cool settings near noon and they clean up so stupidly awesome so yeah yeah I know Paul Gilbert was the main thing about it but my gosh if you just tweak it and pretend that Paul Gilbert had nothing to do with it I think you will have tons of fun with it and find all kinds of ways to personalize it
I'm a huge Paul Gilbert fan I only said that because most people think that a pedal that was designed for Paul Gilbert would be some really hard Distortion that gives you wild fast soloing
Kloniseur: rich people
Cloneseur: me
I have a wish Klone clone and like it, I don't have many pedals or experience tho. Lol
I've just recently discovered the wonder that is the Klon (mine is a cheapy clone that looks a lot like your Mosky one). I think the trick you are missing a bit here is that you can (as you said) use the Klon as a boost, whether clean or fuzzy. But the magic comes when you combine that boost with an amp that's already overdriven. I use the Solid Studio amp/cab sim by Nux, and running my cheap wee Klon clone into that has been a revelation.
What I love about the Klon is that using the above method you can drive your sound all the way to the gates of fuzz and retain a musicality that other overdrives don't seem to match. AND this means the nature of the guitar circuit you are feeding in becomes key. Too many overdrive circuits make all my guitars sound the same. The Klon lets them be what they are.
I'm shocked the Wish pedal even had electronics inside let alone make sound. I was expecting it would be full of altoids.
I havent checked, it might still be full of altoids
I know mine has electronics because it was a kit and I built it which was fun
The WISH Klon is great. I highly recommend.
@Gupster 23 he has to get the el34 altoids for the punchy natural sound obviously 😂
@Gupster 23 pfffft, I have a whole board of pedals with true altoid bypass
came here for puns, and was not disappointed
Ryan I like your playing.
Informative
A subjective observation of difference
I tried really but after Editing Ryan asked if anyone else was bored; I had to "unplug".
I was bored 10 minutes into editing this damn thing. Im shocked its getting decent views.
@@60CycleHumcast How long would the "unedited" version have been😸
Josh's Meat & 3 mod is the only OD I'd run that isn't ODR based.
Shhh! The prices of those are already going up.
Best sound is with NO pedals engaged 🙃
Joyo tauren is the best klon, because it has more LED lights, and more lights = more good
As a complete pedal moron, are these just little preamp style pedals? What's the change 🤔
The Tumnus can be gotten for under a hundie, and sonically it matches well. I have a wish style, and bang for the buck watch Music is Win compare his 5000 dollar Klon
Danish Pete at Anderton's chose the Tumnus over the 3k Klon when they did their shootout.
@@kitano0 I have one, and sonically over my monitors it's identical to me.
I guess we could call them "Klondikes"
I wouldn't do it at work, though.
I don't need to explain anything else to HR.
Fake Horsies for $30, Alex. I've got the Mosky, except it's a knockoff of the Mozky called the LokFy.
I like the Klon-es video. I also dig the guitar, but I'm not a "Stratoisseur" ... haHa