Which is Better, a $7K Klon or a $30 Clone?

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  • Опубліковано 5 тра 2024
  • On todays pilot of “Can You Hear It?”, Addison’s ears are put to the test. Can he tell the difference between an $8000 Klon, and a $40 Klone? Probably not… but we are going to find out anyways.
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  • @bymbie
    @bymbie Рік тому +1037

    You folks need to set-up a live voting system, so you can survey the full audience. Would be fun to see the distribution of listener guesses.

    • @hisham_hm
      @hisham_hm Рік тому +19

      UA-cam supports polls in the live chat

    • @stevenlewis4376
      @stevenlewis4376 Рік тому +13

      My guess is it would be 50/50.

    • @cartoonvillains7080
      @cartoonvillains7080 Рік тому +3

      Y E S

    • @bymbie
      @bymbie Рік тому +3

      @@stevenlewis4376 Very likely. Haha. I was 1 for 3.

    • @cyanidejunkie
      @cyanidejunkie Рік тому +3

      As Hisham stated, adding a poll the live stream is easy to do.

  • @grandudetonesnob7107
    @grandudetonesnob7107 Рік тому +335

    The most surprising thing I've learned from this is that handling pedals while wearing white gloves imparts a more refined tone to all the pedals involved.

    • @escalator9734
      @escalator9734 Рік тому +5

      @Robert Cooper not that far off of gibson's "toan iz in the finish"

    • @eastbaystreet1242
      @eastbaystreet1242 Рік тому +12

      Silly people, tone is in the pedal board material: the part of the pedal board to which the pedals are mounted. Don't even get me started on the huge impact on tone caused by velcro mounting the pedals vs. zip tie/hard fasteners.

    • @grandudetonesnob7107
      @grandudetonesnob7107 Рік тому +13

      @@eastbaystreet1242 Not to mention how the pedal casing and the finish affect the tone. The pot metal and powder coating they use don't allow the pedal to breathe as well as sitka spruce and nitrocellulose lacquer.

    • @tomcoryell
      @tomcoryell Рік тому +5

      @@grandudetonesnob7107 A properly relic’d pedal ALWAYS sounds better.

    • @alanknuss1241
      @alanknuss1241 Рік тому

      @@tomcoryell everyone knows relics are fake, I don’t understand why anyone would want one, they must be idiots etc, etc, etc 😂

  • @MetaMicroLabs
    @MetaMicroLabs Рік тому +286

    I'd like to see a secret "PLACEBO" example with two of the same pedals going head-to-head to explore that kind of bias.

    • @sobrevida157
      @sobrevida157 Рік тому +18

      Agree. I think of that in every A/B testing. Do an A/A testing. Or just pretend to switch it. When we are so focused on looking for differences, we can see them so clearly. We find evidence of whatever we're looking for.

    • @AsherRapp
      @AsherRapp Рік тому +10

      Gonna be hard to drop 14k on 2 klons

    • @mrnelsonius5631
      @mrnelsonius5631 Рік тому +7

      There’s a lot of blind A/B tests that show up in Gearspace forums about plugins, and I’ve noticed that the most ardent arguers of “this one sounds better than the other” suddenly go quiet and leave the thread when the blind tests show up. Refuse to participate. Cuz….. confirmation bias is a helluva drug

    • @RByrne
      @RByrne Рік тому +5

      @@AsherRapp thats not how it works.

    • @glorious_day
      @glorious_day Рік тому +2

      @@AsherRapp Josh has a bunch

  • @arborealityForest
    @arborealityForest Рік тому +306

    I really hope this show continues. I just saved so much money.

    • @Kcapgar
      @Kcapgar Рік тому +11

      Those klons definitely sounded the same.

    • @ekklesiast
      @ekklesiast Рік тому +2

      I thought B (the original) sounded better, "juicer" before the reveal, but I can't say the difference worth $7k. Also 1 minute is not enough.

    • @1thess523
      @1thess523 7 місяців тому +1

      And you didn't even have to go with Geico 😂😂😂. I got my Mosky Silver Horse for $19 👍

    • @1thess523
      @1thess523 7 місяців тому

      ​@@KcapgarI was totally surprised myself, I have the Mosky and it sounds really nice through my JCM 900

    • @JoshCarlsonftw
      @JoshCarlsonftw 5 місяців тому

      ​@@ekklesiastwow thanks for the spoiler

  • @travismegale6796
    @travismegale6796 Рік тому +195

    I guessed A on the Klon but knew I was wrong the second I saw how much more gently Josh removed the patch cords from the B pedal. 😂

    • @andyrharris
      @andyrharris Рік тому +3

      I thought the same. I don't know what did it for you, but to me A seemed to have more dynamic range. When he was strumming quite hard, they sounded the same to me.

    • @DMSProduktions
      @DMSProduktions Рік тому +5

      AND also how FAR he moved his hands to TURN the knobs! THAT was a DEAD give away!

    • @josephbeamon8132
      @josephbeamon8132 Рік тому

      100% me as well

    • @justaskin8523
      @justaskin8523 Рік тому +6

      Stop listening with your eyes, people! lol!

    • @Espresso101
      @Espresso101 Рік тому +1

      Amazing attention to detail. Great job.

  • @tajobi9984
    @tajobi9984 Рік тому +239

    having 2 clones and one original would lower the chance of a lucky random guess, and it would be cool if the third pedal was something like a digital multi stomp!

    • @evanharnett
      @evanharnett Рік тому +6

      I would say have 2 of the same brand and the original just to make it interesting.

    • @bobbyjarvisjr9818
      @bobbyjarvisjr9818 Рік тому +1

      +1

    • @jarrodcross1482
      @jarrodcross1482 Рік тому +5

      Yeah A/B blind testing is one thing ... but even then a 50/50 shot ... particularly when your not really matching unity or levels so a crap shoot at best ... funny how the cheep n cheerful wins almost every time!
      ... aka do a shootout of say 7 RATs or 12 big muffs ... there's no chance anyone could tell the difference especially when it's in chain of pedals, in isolation I suspect they will be slightly different, and potentially identifiable... just pointless which is what I love about JHS, the demystifying of circuits! :D
      I'm so getting a 39$ Klone! :D

    • @tds2117
      @tds2117 Рік тому

      @@jarrodcross1482 why would anyone do a shootout of the same pedal, let alone a dozen of them?
      Unless you’re saying with a Muff vs Rat, which would be silly because they’re very different circuits. Not to mention one is a fuzz, while the other is distortion.

    • @jarrodcross1482
      @jarrodcross1482 Рік тому

      @@tds2117 I think you answered your own question, either do or don't ... while the variations of say a RAT or a big muff are well documented plus having production runs over decades with revisions n component substitutions, while they are basically voiced to create the same effect at the output jack ... a bit like how most old boss CE2s sound subtley different, the real question is let's say, is a 500+ vintage unit better or worse than a current production model let alone a cheep 30-40$ clone ... While it's just a circuit, take the klon for example ... with some now hitting 10,000$s plus how many were hand made by Bill, that introduces so many variances surely, if he was hand building all those?

  • @mrnelsonius5631
    @mrnelsonius5631 Рік тому +371

    I preferred the sound of the cheaper Klon, straight up, and I do music and production professionally 😂. Maybe there’s no accounting for taste but I’m absolutely certain that $6,950 can be better spent just about every way imaginable.

    • @ObsidianLife
      @ObsidianLife Рік тому +59

      A whole lot of people listen with their eyes…

    • @Threemicsrecords
      @Threemicsrecords Рік тому +3

      Musicians' hearing is supposedly so good.

    • @jclark1693
      @jclark1693 Рік тому +14

      I feel like I preferred the authentic Klon, but honestly…not by much and I imagine any difference could be dialed out with actually seeing the knobs and getting what you want. If I had to absolutely pick which one sounded better? B. But honestly I wouldn’t even consider wanting the original, the knock-off is so close I wouldn’t think twice about buying it. I’m honestly considering buying one right now because it’s so good and I would never justify the money to buy an original.

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 Рік тому +19

      They both sounded mediocre, because he was just choking out some chords and not playing any music.
      It's a useless comparison.

    • @SidneyTurnerOfficial
      @SidneyTurnerOfficial Рік тому +26

      @@shaft9000 Fanboy?

  • @marianokun
    @marianokun Рік тому +167

    This channel showed me everything I know about pedals and to not be ashamed of the cheap ones as long as I like the sound

    • @NORMIES_GET_OUT
      @NORMIES_GET_OUT Рік тому +11

      My main concern when buying pedals is build quality. I have a couple of the Amazon basics pedals (Compressor and an ABY switch) and they've held up really well. Definitely better than some of my more expensive pedals. *Ahem* I'm looking at you TC Electronics... 😠

    • @HotDominicanDad
      @HotDominicanDad Рік тому

      @@NORMIES_GET_OUT what brands have held up well?

    • @sundownsupper7409
      @sundownsupper7409 Рік тому +1

      @@NORMIES_GET_OUT tc electronics = behringer = no

    • @brianrollins7275
      @brianrollins7275 Рік тому +3

      Keeley, JHS, Boss and MXR have been the best for me as far as build quality and longevity.

    • @1thess523
      @1thess523 7 місяців тому +2

      ​@@NORMIES_GET_OUTmy son had a Walrus Audio Voyager and had to replace the stomp button because it gave out, we were able to do it ourselves but it's an expensive pedal.

  • @stephc4427
    @stephc4427 Рік тому +166

    Exactly, a circuit is a circuit! Well said. Electronics are governed by the component values and the layout. The magic is entirely within our heads. Kudos to the crew at JHS for having the courage to make it real!

    • @wesleyzimmerman94
      @wesleyzimmerman94 Рік тому +4

      And the little variance in values that we just can't remove will make two pedals set the exact same way sound slightly different, whether you can hear it or not

    • @Jesse615
      @Jesse615 Рік тому +4

      Totally agree. It seems to me that "more expensive" will mean "better quality/sound" up to a point, but then the law of diminishing returns takes over. $7,0000.00 for an overdrive pedal is a prime example.

    • @justaskin8523
      @justaskin8523 Рік тому +3

      @@Jesse615 $7,000 dollars is foolish. $70,000 is an even better sales opportunity!

    • @Djimbe
      @Djimbe Рік тому +6

      @@wesleyzimmerman94 that variance can go for different units from the same production run!

    • @WmLJohnson
      @WmLJohnson Рік тому +1

      I think theres a King Midas moment that keeping going on and on for the Klon. I dumped mine long ago sadly. I say that only because I’d sell in a second now for more. I still use a clone and I have several. I do love the pedal. Im the guy who has used a tube screamer since 1983. Ive prolly had 50 TS pedals. Love them both as boosts.

  • @AlexOtter
    @AlexOtter Рік тому +26

    Would love to see "analog vs digital" in this type of show format for effects like modulation and delay. Even digital overdrive/distortion/fuzz like the Ultrawave against analog equivalents.

  • @bigfootNPC
    @bigfootNPC Рік тому +76

    The Rat clone sounded so much better than the real thing. Original Rat seemed thin and sharp

    • @heinzchristianoetken4336
      @heinzchristianoetken4336 Рік тому +8

      Absolutely, and I thought I was insane
      I did prefer the original Klon though…

    • @kingocowata
      @kingocowata 10 місяців тому

      You’re crazy 😂

    • @TheMuffinMan01
      @TheMuffinMan01 10 місяців тому +5

      was it not just way quieter??

    • @clintbustwood4800
      @clintbustwood4800 10 місяців тому +6

      @@TheMuffinMan01yeah I think that was more what people are hearing. A ton of vintage pedals just have weaker output signals than modern stuff. They need to set the levels accordingly before they start in the future

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 10 місяців тому +6

      2 rather significant things here:
      - equal-loudness contours / Fletcher-Munson bias due to unequal volume
      - B doesn't sound even 50% like a Rat, and is much closer to a mid-period Big Muff.
      So it plainly fails by a mile as a clone, but if you prefer it to the old specimen then that's great. Happy accidents and serendipity make for half of the innovation and joy in the world,. anyways :)

  • @AB-lx8cf
    @AB-lx8cf Рік тому +30

    The klon much harder with very little output difference but tone was pretty spot on. Had 3 klons back in 2003. Sold them for $350/$400 back then. Thinking I made it out good. Damn I hate myself.

  • @particlesandpixels
    @particlesandpixels Рік тому +17

    "Getting stringed" was very 90s Nickelodeon, that was fun. Great series I look forward to more!

  • @MarcelandrieW
    @MarcelandrieW Рік тому +74

    Would be nice to see some cheap "Amp In A Box" vs actual Amp comparisons. Tape Delays and Fuzzes would be nice too.

  • @kostas8018
    @kostas8018 Рік тому +46

    The initial popularity and success of the Klon was due to the innovations in how the circuit was designed. Since the circuit does not involve any super rare or expensive components, cheap copies can be made and faithful reproductions will sound as good as the original (or at least to the point that human ear cannot detect any difference). The inflated price of the Klon is only due to the fact that it has become a collector's item, and it has become a collector's item because there are relatively few units, not because the original units sound better.

    • @TheDubdubwubwub
      @TheDubdubwubwub Рік тому +1

      What do you think is the best clone of Klon?

    • @drippinglass
      @drippinglass Рік тому

      There’s 8,000 of them out there. Usually more than 20 on Reverb and eBay at any given time. Guitar players are dumb.

    • @buckdown2464
      @buckdown2464 Рік тому

      The Wampler Tumnus (the little one) is probably the best, and the Warm Audio is probably the most authentic

    • @shaft9000
      @shaft9000 10 місяців тому +1

      i haven't heard anything come closer than the KTR, i like the ryra a lot and the centura can sound even creamier than a Klon.
      Sold my Tumnus as the transient was icepick-ish, inducing the most rapid ear-fatigue of any other boost pedal since my keeley time machine. Kind of wish I'd kept the Archer but only a little, as my DIY silver pony 2 does the job (and more) just fine.

    • @BrantleyAllen
      @BrantleyAllen 5 місяців тому

      Tell that to the people that spent too much money on a pedal "just because."

  • @walterpruitt6589
    @walterpruitt6589 Рік тому +7

    I absolutely love this and the JHS show. It’s great wholesome and informative guitar pedal videos. This was great to watch after a long stressful day of work. Cheers!

  • @ruvchbrevth
    @ruvchbrevth Рік тому +22

    Line 6 stuff vs actual pedals would be an awesome comparison! ☺️

  • @coolcatfxadoptionagency11
    @coolcatfxadoptionagency11 Рік тому +87

    If you decide to do amps it'd be neat to see a real full stack vs. a fully digital setup. I'd definitely like to see some analog vs. digital stuff.

    • @-Pol-
      @-Pol- Рік тому +5

      Everything's digital once it goes through the interwebby...
      🎸🎙🖥🌐💻🔉🎶👂😝

    • @AlextheBant
      @AlextheBant Рік тому +10

      Well as an audio engineer i can tell you i have fooled a lot of amp lovers with amp sims and digital stuff. Nobody can discern it. And i say this as a tube amp lover who owns 8 amps.
      Live with my band i play a tube amp, other guitarist plays a digital rig. Truly both sound just as good.
      Theres slight differences here and there in feel sometimes. Sometimes not, in the end who cares.
      We live in an age where theres about a million ways to make good sounding things and its all valid.

    • @coolcatfxadoptionagency11
      @coolcatfxadoptionagency11 Рік тому

      Just throwing out ideas. I've never played a real full stack or a fully digital rig, so all I have for reference is my orange micros into a cheap 4x12 and a lil crate tube combo, so I can't voice any opinion.
      New idea:
      Test plastic enclosures vs. all metal at obscene levels to see if one is noisier than the other, since shielding/grounding with a metal chassis blocks out more rf.

    • @equaleyez
      @equaleyez Рік тому

      We need a Kemper re visit.

    • @earthchild5346
      @earthchild5346 Рік тому

      I had a peavey deuce vt tube amp from like late 70s early 80s maybe? Was older. sounded better than my fender twin cyber which I got brand new. That peavey was crunchy and warm as fuuuuck silky smooth tones on both ends. Tube amps are king imo vs solid state and digital. Depends what you're going for though too it's almost too subjective to draw a conclusion it's more preference person to person I think.

  • @Clambelly
    @Clambelly Рік тому +27

    Josh and Crew this is the best guitar pedal review ever in the history of UA-cam. Proves what I have been saying for years -- a pedal sounds only as good as it looks !

  • @dustinmbox
    @dustinmbox Рік тому +14

    I feel like the mis-matched volume contributed to the answers more than the tone difference. Perceivable louder tone tends to sound better. Its weird but really true. Great tone a quiet level usually doesn’t sound as good as poorer tone louder.

  • @GuitarsZnuff
    @GuitarsZnuff Рік тому +7

    Paul Stanley said it best "People listen with their eyes."

    • @steverhinefrank5589
      @steverhinefrank5589 Рік тому

      mr. paul stanley took that quote from the other mr. paul (les)...

  • @WarrenPostma
    @WarrenPostma Рік тому +40

    I want to hear an episode where you compare the actual pedal to a variety of modelled sounds, such as Helix, or even some software plugins. For example, Helix Native’s chorus sounds or the Digitech RP360 chorus sounds, versus the actual pedals they are modelled after.

  • @_left_eye
    @_left_eye Рік тому +45

    Cool, funny and informative as always! I’d never thought a Klon had reached 7k. But at the moment I’m so happy for the eventual owners who ve just realised they can get a better sounding pedal for 29.99 bucks

    • @bradleyard4195
      @bradleyard4195 Рік тому +5

      I have the Mosky. Can confirm it's a damn good pedal.

  • @jasonmick1587
    @jasonmick1587 Рік тому +13

    I’m going out on a limb here this was my favorite most fun JHS video I’ve viewed yet!!! Loved it you’ll have to do another one!

  • @SteveOuimette
    @SteveOuimette Рік тому +83

    This is the best show on UA-cam, hands-down. Hilarious to hear the comparisons and the difference in cost, especially the Klon. High five!

  • @scottkidwellmusic9175
    @scottkidwellmusic9175 Рік тому +33

    That, like most of your episodes, was pretty fun.
    Also educational and entertaining.
    Thanks, y'all 🙏

  • @nicolaschauxlugo2361
    @nicolaschauxlugo2361 Рік тому +2

    I love how the people in jhs are always innovating with their content, it makes the idea of learning about tone, guitars, pedals and everything else music related, more enjoyable!! Kudoss

  • @davegrove795
    @davegrove795 Рік тому

    Great show, keep it going. This is on my mind every pedal purchase!!

  • @chrisrussell1318
    @chrisrussell1318 Рік тому +4

    Great pilot guys!! That was not only helpful but just down right fun!! You rock🤘🎶🎸

  • @jameswest3887
    @jameswest3887 Рік тому +13

    That was an awesome show!!! I'm looking forward to more of these. Pedal snobs may have some nervous breakdowns.

  • @JeremyJames_studio
    @JeremyJames_studio Рік тому +1

    Brilliant video! Thank you. Love to see/hear one on delays, tone benders and reverbs

  • @jayvoorhees2931
    @jayvoorhees2931 Рік тому +1

    More of these videos please! So awesome. Thanks guys!

  • @christopherbrown6565
    @christopherbrown6565 Рік тому +26

    I feel like this could be even harder if Josh got to set each pedal's settings before the listener could hear it.

    • @scottworsham
      @scottworsham Рік тому +2

      Exactly. Pre-set them to be as close in sound to each other as possible in advance, then pick. My guess is that a guess would be just that.

    • @DrKevGuitar
      @DrKevGuitar Рік тому +4

      Absolutely. Matching volumes is important in making any meaningful comparison (because the ear will generally prefer the louder pedal).

  • @bstoner1300
    @bstoner1300 Рік тому +8

    3/3 for me, but 1 and 3 were total guesses. Also I guessed the OG rat would be more scooped and a newer style would me more mid forward. But NONE of them were significantly better or worse in this test. Amazing!

  • @jacksprat1124
    @jacksprat1124 Рік тому +4

    A revue show that actually creates real, live, unbiased comparisons AND has fun without wasting a lot of time doing it. Thumbs up!

  • @franckth186
    @franckth186 Рік тому

    Thanks for the great job. You do make a point keep going that way!! Never learnt so well from anybody on youtube 👍

  • @SfordRog
    @SfordRog Рік тому +9

    Good show! Please make several more episodes. Some pairing ideas: wah wah pedals and their "magic" inductors; blues breaker pedal variants vs original; modern chorus/vibrato pedals vs Boss CE-whatevers; modern analog/tape delays vs "the good ones" from yester-years.

  • @calebfisher7345
    @calebfisher7345 Рік тому +206

    I love it. my entire board is made up of these budget pedals And know I feel validated LOL

    • @davidstrubeck8195
      @davidstrubeck8195 Рік тому +31

      It’s good to feel validated know and again.

    • @broken927
      @broken927 Рік тому +18

      @@davidstrubeck8195 know, know, David.

    • @davidvicars6688
      @davidvicars6688 Рік тому +21

      I now the feeling

    • @ickebins6948
      @ickebins6948 Рік тому +17

      @@davidvicars6688 Atleast know you now

    • @BlueBarrier782
      @BlueBarrier782 Рік тому +9

      If you are spending more than 100-200, it's just hype. Even in that range you are paying for the same Chinese parts but maybe not Chinese labor (though most of the time you are just paying middlemen.)

  • @trevorscan
    @trevorscan 6 місяців тому +2

    I absolutely love these can you hear it vids and the fun energy in the room ans how much joy Josh seems to get out of these experiments

  • @Compass2101
    @Compass2101 Рік тому

    Great show. Looking forward to future episodes!

  • @-Pol-
    @-Pol- Рік тому +4

    That was great! 😆
    Defo up for more of this series - I'd like to see a 3 way comparison though: Expensive pedal vs cheap pedal vs cheap multi effect pedal like, say an MS-50g - We also need two participants: Gen-Z with hearing intact vs Gen-X with burned out ears but experience.

  • @johnwardle9667
    @johnwardle9667 Рік тому +3

    Thank you JHS pedals team for doing this important work.

  • @jasonserpent4214
    @jasonserpent4214 Рік тому +1

    This was an awesome concept! More of this please!

  • @XXIII_89
    @XXIII_89 Рік тому

    I LOVE this series!! It's about time for another installment!!!

  • @danielsauriol
    @danielsauriol Рік тому +5

    for the third shootout (silver klon, $29 vs $7K) : that means you can buy 233 x Bezos Clones for the value of a single authentic Klon that just proved to sound the same ? Extremely surprising, interesting and baffling all at the same time !!! Definitely Food for Thoughts !! Thanks a lot Josh for bringing us back to Planet Earth !!!

  • @qujo777
    @qujo777 Рік тому +19

    Thoughts: Use a looper pedal to ensure that strumming or playing doesn’t affect how each pedal is played. Play in a band setting - in a genre specific to the pedal’s most appropriate purpose -

  • @Zappabain
    @Zappabain Рік тому

    I love this Josh's character and the relation between them 👏👏👏 and this blind tests are always a great thing to do.

  • @SugarShaneGuitarist
    @SugarShaneGuitarist Рік тому +1

    Great series! Looking forward to future episodes. Would love to see Marshall Bluesbreaker v1 vs. Mooer Blues Crab.

  • @austinbridge
    @austinbridge Рік тому +3

    WOW. The Rat and Klon comparisons blew my mind. I love it! 👏

  • @coreyclark6505
    @coreyclark6505 Рік тому +52

    This channel can really crush a person who’s bought 6 different overdrives of one type to find that one “magic” one.
    Great show!

    • @paulcowart3174
      @paulcowart3174 Рік тому +1

      Ha ha yeah So which did you end up favoring after all the purchases ??

    • @coreyclark6505
      @coreyclark6505 Рік тому +7

      @@paulcowart3174 I stopped buying Overdrives and Fuzzes about 3-4 years ago and started playing with EQ Pedals instead.
      Not near as glamorous, but they have a huge impact on sound.

    • @HenryDixon3
      @HenryDixon3 Рік тому +1

      @@coreyclark6505 Are you EQing before, or after, the overdrives?

    • @coreyclark6505
      @coreyclark6505 Рік тому +5

      @@HenryDixon3 both as of recently.
      I picked up a Source Audio EQ2. I use channel 1 pre and channel 2 post.

    • @b.scottfarthingsworth
      @b.scottfarthingsworth Рік тому +2

      @@coreyclark6505 EQ is the secret weapon of tone sculpting, it has made me like dirtboxes that I hated. So that Source Audio EQ2, I was looking into that when it first came out. Well I was looking at the first version, then the next week the 2 came out and the vids on it blew my mind. I need it right?

  • @natashanyxx9486
    @natashanyxx9486 Рік тому +1

    I love this format. More please! 💜

  • @tonoormusic
    @tonoormusic Рік тому

    Amazing format! Please more of this :)

  • @musicmann1967
    @musicmann1967 Рік тому +5

    This was very interesting and I think it absolutely proves Josh's point of confirmation bias being most of what we "hear" when we decide one piece of gears sounds inherently better than another piece of gear. (I'm totally guilty of this myself) We buy into the whole package and history just as much if not more than the sound. The Rat clone totally fooled me. I guessed the Tube Screamer correctly, but since I'm not a fan of Tube Screamers anyway, I dion't know if that really counts. I got the other two wrong. I do have a suggestion though. For future episodes Josh should do a little "pre production" and find settings for all the boxes ahead of time that he can dial in when he plugs in each pair of pedals, so right out of the gate they sound close. THEN you can start twiddling knobs. Set up the expensive one the ways most people use it, then try to match that with the cheap box, and use those setting before anyone even plays a note. I think it would be even more challenging that way.

  • @jimpottssoundandvision
    @jimpottssoundandvision Рік тому +10

    This is a ton of fun! Keep going with this idea. The Klons were indistinguishable.

  • @WPAPi3.14
    @WPAPi3.14 Рік тому

    Do more of these!!!!! Got the first one. Second and third I bellyfloped!!
    Thanks
    Wa McDowell

  • @brettfuller6603
    @brettfuller6603 Рік тому +2

    This was a lot of fun because I know through my crappy speakers I rarely hear the difference, and it was nice to see that live with no bias they couldn't really either

  • @Craig_Fussell
    @Craig_Fussell Рік тому +4

    Agree that this can be a really fun series! There are soooo many good pedals out there and knock-offs from Caline, NuX, Mosky, Moorer, etc etc, you could make it a weekly thing! One that I think would be a tough one to pick is the Jan Ray vs. Caline Pure Sky✌🏻

  • @keenaband
    @keenaband Рік тому +5

    Good object lesson in confirmation bias, an affliction that combines with FOMO resulting in severe GAS. An additional point to add, when you get in the thrash and crash of a pub gig, I think it gets even harder to hear differences.

    • @pedrova8058
      @pedrova8058 Рік тому +1

      I had to do sound in some local shows, and it's amazing to see how the psyche influences the musician "hears". There is always someone who insists that you correct their mix, more volume, more treble, more drums, etc. And when you already know that the guy is going to bother you all night because he "doesn't listen", you just make a gesture on the console, as if you were adjusting something. And the guy is as happy as if you had given him more volume. Always works! LOL

  • @kevinhudson7555
    @kevinhudson7555 Рік тому +1

    what a bloody brilliant concept and show ....we all listen with our eyes

  • @maxellison55
    @maxellison55 Рік тому +1

    Do this again. Very much enjoyed the comparisons!

  • @drischord
    @drischord Рік тому +12

    Very fun. Would love to hear some delay and echo pedals like the EHX Memory Man or a vintage Echoplex.

  • @thehickeys3824
    @thehickeys3824 Рік тому +11

    This show gives such a different experience on pedals than normal Pedal Review Videos

  • @richardburkow3792
    @richardburkow3792 Рік тому

    Great, fun format - thanks!

  • @scottdalrymple1716
    @scottdalrymple1716 Рік тому

    I really enjoyed this. Thank you for the video.

  • @drdee3645
    @drdee3645 Рік тому +5

    Just discovered this channel - excellent stuff! And Josh is hilarious - the Peter Kay of Guitar Gear!😄 Never fails to brighten up my day 😎

  • @hennydarmse
    @hennydarmse Рік тому +18

    I love this gameshow-type content! Bluesbreaker clones next? Chuck in a Morning Glory as well and have Josh play it to see if he can find his own pedal! ;)

    • @buckdown2464
      @buckdown2464 Рік тому

      Seeing if Josh can hear his own pedal could be an entire show

  • @raul_perro
    @raul_perro Рік тому

    Awesome competitive... You guys are great. Keep on rockin'

  • @mhoop1
    @mhoop1 Рік тому +1

    i was looking at drive pedals. just bought the amazon one. thanks for the demo!

  • @lostboys-niagarapartyband1915
    @lostboys-niagarapartyband1915 Рік тому +3

    The Tube Screamer was louder. So right there, the perception is that it's better. Take two identical sounds, make one just slightly louder and it will always be picked as sounding better.

  • @thisperfectworld
    @thisperfectworld Рік тому +5

    Awesome episode! Please consider doing a vintage Dallas Rangemaster vs. cheaper treble boosters, please!

  • @TheScreamingFrog916
    @TheScreamingFrog916 Рік тому

    This is great news, for those of us on a tight budget 😅
    As always, watching your videos is so much fun.
    Thanks , and best wishes for your continued success.

  • @peterhaywood4111
    @peterhaywood4111 Рік тому

    Great show! More, please!

  • @milesanderson3682
    @milesanderson3682 Рік тому +3

    I've been buying those little pedals from Amazon for the past year or two, and use them a lot. The various Klon clones are remarkable.

  • @joelypolely
    @joelypolely Рік тому +45

    I would love more of this, and i think it'd be cool to include amps as well.

    • @kbcarroll
      @kbcarroll Рік тому +2

      Yes and not necessarily amps meant to sound like other amps. Just put a cheap amp on one side and an expensive amp on the other and ask him to guess which was the expensive amp

    • @robotsongs
      @robotsongs Рік тому

      Yeah, but I'd hope they do a better job making them sound the same beforehand (especially, at very minimum, volume matching), instead of just looking at pots and approximating.

    • @irohaordeath1037
      @irohaordeath1037 Рік тому +1

      I'd love to hear the Joyo Bantamp series compared to the heads they are emulating.

  • @orcsong
    @orcsong Рік тому

    The honesty here is super refreshing. (And fun!)

  • @GG-ik6it
    @GG-ik6it Рік тому

    Love this guys ! So hilarious and informative

  • @michaelm2336
    @michaelm2336 Рік тому +6

    First off, KUDOS to Addison for putting himself out there for this challenge. My suggestion would be even more risky/challenging for another brave or foolish JHS soul - can a current JHS employee do a Versus episode using JHS pedals versus the OG reference pedals of their types? Maybe if they can get *all* the JHS pedals correct, they can have a paid, nice lunch or something (I'd certainly chip in for their meal)

  • @Sonico430
    @Sonico430 Рік тому +10

    great show idea ! i would recommend trying to have an equal volume comparison... specially in the RAT example, version A (expensive) was lower in volume most of the 1 minute test, and that is a big BIAS when comparing... Louder is going to sound better most of the time.

    • @domgirard4095
      @domgirard4095 Рік тому

      yeah, the orginal RAT sounded thin and not set how people use the RAT. The original Klon soujnded less good near the end. It kinda sounds like Josh was trying to fool people with his pedal settings.

    • @LIGHT-fp4rd
      @LIGHT-fp4rd Рік тому

      louder will almost always sound better..

  • @OG_Gutsu
    @OG_Gutsu Рік тому

    Awesome show 🔥🔥

  • @kvondecks2538
    @kvondecks2538 Рік тому

    This was super fun to watch. Thanks JHS.

  • @dnc1769
    @dnc1769 Рік тому +33

    A 'basic' chorus pedal shootout would be pretty interesting. ie: each pedal should have the same parameters because obviously an Eventide ModFactor is going to sound better than a $30 Amazon pedal but what about a vintage Boss CE-1 or CE-2 ?

    • @deesnudts5182
      @deesnudts5182 Рік тому +2

      I used to manage a guitar shop and I was downright amazed how often the "lowly" Dano Fab Chorus for like $25 used to beat out way more expensive chorus pedals back to back

    • @MediHusky
      @MediHusky Рік тому +1

      @@deesnudts5182 beat me to it

  • @toddgibson6817
    @toddgibson6817 Рік тому +132

    This is hilarious and should teach people that they shouldn't be buying into this crazy hype surrounding pedals.

    • @unitedstatesofmordor
      @unitedstatesofmordor Рік тому +1

      Agreed!
      How about;
      Klon v Caline Pegasus
      Boss CE2 v Tone City Angel Wing
      Strymon (shimmer) v Caline Wonderland
      Fuzz Face v cheap alternative
      etc. v cheaper etc...

    • @JoeBaermann
      @JoeBaermann Рік тому +3

      @@unitedstatesofmordor
      Indeed, cheaper doesn't always mean worse, often comes down to the builder getting the components and circuit right.
      The propper Klon clones also come with germanium diodes which only differ in being a tad smaller these days, electrical they do the exact same thing, besides the tone boost one expects from such a pedal, the tiny difference one might notice will drown in the mix anyway.
      Only reason to buy an expensive old classic is for the investment, besides that I personally never would take a 7000$ hard to get classic with me to a stage.
      DIY brings even more fun into it, since there are some kits that include close to every possible mod and by that add way more versatility to the pedal while still keeping the price under $80.

    • @jimtroeltsch5998
      @jimtroeltsch5998 Рік тому

      no way, Todd! its clearly rigged to confirm Josh's agenda on making cheap pedals seem appealing. Any aficionado of tone can see through this charade. You clearly haven't played long enough and haven't spent enough money on pedals, peasant.

    • @almessinger1834
      @almessinger1834 Рік тому +3

      I think people get the assignment wrong. We’re listing for which one is the REAL version, not “which one sounds better. If you know how to identify what it should sound like you can guess it right. If you’re trying to decide which one you like more it could go either way.

    • @CenterThePendulum
      @CenterThePendulum Рік тому +5

      @@almessinger1834 The question posed has the undercurrent purpose of debunking paying obscene money for the original. Knowing which is the original doesn’t provide any real-world utility unless you’re trying to not get scammed after paying $7k for what may be a convincing fake

  • @sillyskeleton
    @sillyskeleton Рік тому +1

    Man, it's like buying a watch. You could spend thousands if you want to, but at the end of the day something for a fraction of the price can still tell you the right time.

  • @davidneath8194
    @davidneath8194 Рік тому

    Great format!

  • @gerrickreidenbach8147
    @gerrickreidenbach8147 Рік тому +4

    I think there is a difference between trying to pick the more expensive pedal and the better sounding pedal. That may be where Addison went a bit off track. The contestant should, perhaps, be allowed to choose one or the other criteria, or both, when they give their final answer. Either way, you still have a relevant game show, plenty of fun and lots of points to make. Also, the use of an actual partition or 'blind fold' (think blacked out goggles of some sort) between the contestant and the host would be a more legitimate way of concealing each device. Then, the audience could know the identity of each pedal before the contestant, guess which pedal the contestant may pick in each criteria and avoid playing the same role as the contestant each episode. Thanks for another entertaining peek into the world of JHS!

  • @jamiebriggs8277
    @jamiebriggs8277 Рік тому +10

    Sweet. That's the Rat clone I have, and that's the Klon clone I have.
    Love them both, and they were dirt cheap!
    Would like to see some fuzz comparisons: I have the Behringer Super Fuzz, and the Soniccake Fazy Cream Muff clone

    • @BlueBarrier782
      @BlueBarrier782 Рік тому +1

      The most massive sounding muff I've played was a cheap Eno BMF . . . Clones can be surprising

  • @jameshorne1547
    @jameshorne1547 Рік тому

    This was one the the best vids you guys have done! Just good wholesome fun! 🤣

  • @leandro0rsantos
    @leandro0rsantos Рік тому

    wow! It's very difficult to determine the differences! I guess maybe pickups make a bigger difference, but in the end it's all, or almost all subjective. Impressed how in the last one thousands of bucks didn't make a lot of difference in final sound. Great video!

  • @bradleyard4195
    @bradleyard4195 Рік тому +10

    I have the Mosky Silver Horse. I absolutely love that pedal, and feel so good about my cheap purchase after hearing this. It sounds really, really similar to the Klon.

    • @deathafi
      @deathafi Рік тому +1

      Any difference between the silver and the golden horse?

    • @bradleyard4195
      @bradleyard4195 Рік тому

      @@deathafi The Silver has a toggle switch for extra gain.

    • @swampsofhome
      @swampsofhome Рік тому +1

      I bought one after this show and laughed all the way to the bank. BTW, I could not hear the difference between the two. Maybe laughing too hard.

    • @bradleyard4195
      @bradleyard4195 Рік тому

      @@swampsofhome In this case, laughing too hard is appropriate! The Silver Horse is such a ridiculous pedal.

  • @corncello4357
    @corncello4357 Рік тому +3

    Loved the episode! It would be cool if you could find a clone to shoot out with some Strymon pedals. Also maybe a Timmy overdrive shootout as well.

    • @TJEvans98
      @TJEvans98 Рік тому

      there are no clones to Strymon pedals....reverse engineering hardware is one thing....figuring out their digital algorithm within a fraction of accuracy is next to impossible. There are companies that have attempted to create their own "version" of select Strymon pedals, but it will never be a "clone."

    • @BlueBarrier782
      @BlueBarrier782 Рік тому

      I know there is the Caline Pure Sky and Mosky MM. There's probably other clones out there as well.

    • @BlueBarrier782
      @BlueBarrier782 Рік тому

      I know that Mooer got a copyright infringement for their pog clone. Somehow they got the code for that, so it might not be entirely out of the question.

  • @tpadgett2
    @tpadgett2 Рік тому

    loved the video! would love to see the klon and the tube screamer done again but with a strat, as that's what my ears are used to hearing paired with those pedals. but that's just my bias in guitars and music, the test done was great as well.

  • @TheMusicalSchizo
    @TheMusicalSchizo Рік тому +1

    Addison, aka JHS' David Arquette. Great job, fellas! What a fun show!

  • @hjalmarconte4926
    @hjalmarconte4926 Рік тому +5

    This was awesome! I have been saying for a long time to all the cork sniffers out there that the Mosky Klon is AWESOME, and gets you there for 25 bucks (closer/as close as the 400/600 'boutique' versions ...) ... but hey-ho ... a fool and his money ....

  • @Reportageandart
    @Reportageandart Рік тому +4

    It's important to point out, sometimes a higher price is not because it sounds better... but sometimes its a collectable factor. Like with anything, collectors seek certain things and that affects price. Supply and demand. Also, of course, what sounds better is completely subjective. Use and enjoy the tools you prefer for your sound and have fun.

    • @BrantleyAllen
      @BrantleyAllen 5 місяців тому

      No one admits to owning one because it's a collector's item. They spent the money because it "sounds" better. Golden magical diodes.

  • @careywebber638
    @careywebber638 Рік тому

    Love it! Great video

  • @BubbaZ737
    @BubbaZ737 Рік тому

    Please keep this up!!

  • @aynakotalaga
    @aynakotalaga Рік тому +4

    Brilliant! Would love to see the Boss Waza vs the Originals.

    • @tds2117
      @tds2117 Рік тому

      That would make a lot of people cry.

    • @jburdsinfuse
      @jburdsinfuse Рік тому

      There are 100s of those videos because Boss sent them to every guitar channel on UA-cam. Same as the original sound, but the originals are limited in their feature set. At this point, you can get all of the Waza pedals for about half retail cost. I paid less than $125 for the Metal Zone and DM2 each, so in any case, great pedals and value.

  • @MrSpeed-lt8gr
    @MrSpeed-lt8gr Рік тому +4

    I had the Mosky for about a year or so and it sounded great. It stopped working on me but for 30 bucks I couldn’t complain. I just got the TC Zeus. And I really like that one.

    • @CMHobbies
      @CMHobbies Рік тому

      Mine lasted 8 months.

    • @Nightwinflyer
      @Nightwinflyer Рік тому +1

      The Zeus is outstanding! I was tracking with it just yesterday.

    • @joseislanio8910
      @joseislanio8910 Рік тому +1

      Have mine for over 2 years still working

    • @asterisk606
      @asterisk606 Рік тому +1

      Do you know what broke on it? It could be a pretty simple fix if it's hardware related like the switch.

    • @MrSpeed-lt8gr
      @MrSpeed-lt8gr Рік тому

      @@asterisk606 not sure honestly. It wouldn’t power on. I think I fried something by accident when I tried to plug it in with the power supply already plugged into the wall. So that was on me.

  • @eriklamelakillingspree7690
    @eriklamelakillingspree7690 Рік тому +1

    I only got the Tube Screamer right, I was listening through good headphones. Love this idea! I’m going to buy a Moskey Silver Horse now.

  • @samsewall8341
    @samsewall8341 Рік тому +2

    brilliant. I am not a tone expert, but I totally agreed with Addison's choices in terms of what sounded better.