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@@alexopdam9100 the first full clamshell bag I picked up after this was a GR136 Rainmaker followed by a few GR1’s. While I have had of comfortable bags, nothing as comfortable as the 2DAP. The adjustability of the harness is unmatched.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA thanks for that - I have a 45l Coulee that I use for grocery shopping with my bicycle and it's very comfortable. I have a CPL 28 for carrying my 16" laptop but it's not as comfortable as I would like for wandering around all day. I guess if I want something really comfortable I'll need to accept a more tactical look like the 2dap. Thanks for your thoughts!
Watched both your vids on this bag. Thanks for the follow-up after some use. I picked one up after watching! A few complaints I have: 1) I don't like the tri-zip feature either. I love the concept, but I find it adds time to access my stuff, unless it's at the bottom of the pack. To get anything other than the laptop, I have to unzip/zip two to three zippers vs one. 2) The upper compression strap prevents the middle of the tri-zip to unzip without unbuckling the strap. So now to get to the bottom of the bag, it's one more step. This strap is really a catch-22 because I wish my Scree 32 had the upper strap. The solution in my opinion would be to reverse the buckles on one of the side compression straps that the Scree has so that they can be strapped on the side when not needed on the back of the pack, but can be run around the pack if needed. 3) The external water bottle pockets don't hold my water bottles (Hydroflask and Klean Kanteen). I found this out the hard way when I used it on my first flight with this bag. I reached for the bag from the overhead compartment after the flight and the aluminum bottle fell and hit someone! Terrible retention. They need to change the material to make it tighter or add little straps to cinch those down, like they have on the In and Out. In the end, not sure if I'm going to keep the 2DAP because of these gripes. It's SUPER comfortable and high-quality though!
I had a few of those same issues. for the top compression strap, I never used it. I used some cable wraps and tucked it back. That kept it out of the way, without being destructive to the bag (i.e. cutting it off). As for the water bottle pockets, i did find them to be a bit lose. This was a bit of an issue when setting the bag down on the couch I have in my office at work. I did think some duraflex would make the bag not only look better, but make for better functioning water bottle pockets. The downside to that would be less durability. But seeing as this is made for the consumer market and not the military market (like the 3DAP is made for), I feel duraflex would be a great option on this bag. I ultimately sold this bag and moved on to something more my speed. It is probably one of the most comfortable bags I've ever worn though. Nothing beats and MR harness.
@@strandhoggphoto Any skate shop should have them. If not some place like CCS, Tactics or probably Amazon will have them. Mine are all like 20+ years old at this point. most are from high school.
I briefly owned one of the 2DAP bags, but it was too small for me and it didn't have enough capacity so I steeled myself and went for the 3DAP, and am awaiting its arrival. Also, my biggest gripe with the 2DAP is the body adjustment procedure: I wish they offered 4 sizes. I scraped up one of my fingers doing the adjustment. :) Just wanted to thank you for your helpful video; I like your enthusiasm-and reasonable approach to you tubing. Are you in western, or central Pennsylvania? Such beautiful country.
@@bradleysmith4409 I’m glad my video was useful. And that damn hook and loop is rough in the hands breaking it loose to adjust the harness. It did a number on my as well. I am actually located in Eastern PA. I am from the home of Dunder Mifflin (or Penn Paper which is the real Scranton based company the inspiration to set the show in came from).
Just stumbled on this video. Nice review. You forgot about the compression straps on the front and how you can cinch it down. I have a BigHorn now since discontinued. It’s a 3000 cubic inch pack with a tri zip. Same internal pockets too. I love the tri zip. If I’m just grabbing a bigger jacket or something easy to get I’ll just unzip the front middle zipper and pull it out through there and not bother unzipping the top two.
Thanks, you make that bag look very good. Comments on harness comfort kind of sold it to me. One Question though, how good a job does it do standing up?
It stands up fairly well on its own. The thumb mail and pan shots, I just plopped it down on the ground and it stood there. Burn with any bag, how you pack it out will make a difference on how well it stands on its own.
If the ground is wet enought that water is going to seep past the webbing on the bottom and up through a 1/8in thick grommet, you're setting your bag in a puddle and the water is going to quickly soak through the bottom of a bag without gromits. If the ground is simply damp, it will saturate the bottom of the bag eventually but the water will not magically leap through the gromits.
If you are setting a bag down in a puddle in an EDC environment, you have some issues you need to work on. Have you ever used a 500D bag? They are pretty water resistant. So setting it down for a period of time on damp or wet ground/surfaces is not going to "seep" through. This scenario is more for a day pack or a trail/city set up. You don't always know of the ground is dry. Setting a bag down with an open hole will in fact allow the countenance to get wet. If you leave it there long enough and the ground surface is wet enough, yes eventually the cordura will wet out and water will get inside. But again if that happens, you probably have some other issues to work on.
I was considering a bit of black or clear tenacious tape. But I don't like to do any destructive mods to packs while testing. I do that for 2 reasons: 1) I want to test the bag as it was made and designed. 2) In case I want to move the pack along after the review (which was the case with this 2DAP).
hydration bladders fit to the interior, if they burst/leak, the grommet in the bottom of the bag will drain off the water from inside the bag. a seamstress can sew in a button hole for hydration hoses quite easily.
In this instance the grommet is. It for a leaking hydration bladder. Is it for drainage during military operations when they are out in a downpour, or traversing through water. Or in this bags case, a lot of people ruck in it. But the 2DAP is more for the civilian market, where the 3DAP is a military focused bag. I’m addition, most bags built for hiking, Gregory, Osprey, Deuter, Zpack, Waymark, ect. Do not have grommets. They range from Dynema, VX, EPX, multiple variants of nylon with no grommets. Let’s take a 210d body with a 410d base as Ana example. This is pretty common. Now a 210/410 will saturate, soak out and drain much faster than a 1000d cordura will. But the water will still pool and soak the contents of the bag. Inversely a drain hole will not allow the water to rush out of the bag. So water will still pool and soak the bag before it drains. That being said, this was one of the most comfortable bags I’ve ever worn. I really wish I got along with the tri-zip bag design.
Thank you. I have not tried any 5.11 packs yet. There are a few I do like, I just haven't gotten a chance with any yet. I think I might build out a new BOB, and I am looking at a few 5.11 packs for that.... but I will have to EDC it first! Stay tuned to see if I get my paws on one!
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Hey there, I get your concern on the handle, mainly mystery ranch designed that grab handle for 2 reasons, additional stitching was found to not improve the handle's durability but rather weaken it (as the webbing strap is getting punctured) and also because in the military mindset we barely use grab handles and when we do we MOSTLY have gloves on so comfort is usually not a big deal. Or they were just lazy... (it was a theory that was proposed to me some years ago when we tested NICE frames for stuff with mystery ranch folks... )
It works really well. And the way the top zips opens, (at least on the larger bags like the 2DAP) and allows the lid to flip all the way back and gives you a. Full view of the inside of the bag. I found that I personally prefer clamshell bags or half zips bags over the tie-zip design. I just like to unzip and lay the bag open flat of I really need to get all the way into a bag. Or unzip the front and “flop” it down to get inside. Over all the tri-zip design is great, it just wasn’t my personal preference for a bag.
i can agree ^ they are extremely functional. really cant tell how great it is until you use it and then try a clamshell style. the 3 zip system is amazing
Can you name those pouches and bags you store in your bag? Especially the rolled one. Would like to check them out, but sometimes it’s hard to understand their names for non native english speakers.
The first one was an cheap admin pouch form Amazon that I modified to meet my needs. The battery bank/tool roll is a Lowepro GearUp Wrap. The black tool kit is a cheap Amazon Tactical EDC pocket organizer that is basically the same thing as a Maxpedition pocket organizer it 1/3 the cost. The black VX with green zipper, the smaller blue pouch and the green/black grid pouch were bought on Etsy from Riveted Oak Designs.
I got this same bag, and I have no complaints except for the flimsy thin grab handle. Have you tried on the 3DAP? Do you feel it would be TOO large for an EDC bag? Thanks!
I have not tried the 3DAP, and honestly I don't plan too. At about 33L the 3DAP is way to big for an EDC in my opinion. The 2DAP was pretty large for a 27L pack. After using this pack for a month or so, I found the tri-zip isn't for me and I sold it. I'm more of a clam shell guy. This bag was incredibly comfortable, but access wasn't functional for me. So the 3DAP would not be a useful pack for me.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I have to admit, I was a little hesitant about even the 2DAP looking ridiculous. But I am happy with it. However, I do not have any need for hydration bladders, and I believe the 3DAP does not have a side access for the laptop. But it has large, deep mesh pockets which I love. I'm a bit surprised you flipped that 2DAP, you seemed to really like it. But I get the clam shell thing. Thank you for taking time to reply bro.
@@edwardgreller I did really like the bag. That’s the first time I gave a great review to a pack I over all didn’t find worked for me. But it’s a personal preference to how the bag opens. It functions amazingly well. Ha great organization. Is ridiculously comfortable, and new it comes in at $199 USD. So it really is an all around r he eat pack.
@@edwardgreller Currently a GR1 as a EDC and a LBT 8006a as a Dad bag. Before the GR1 I was EDCing an Arch Grisetti, A Greenroom 136 VX42 Rainmaker and a UAG STD Issue 24. After the GR1, I am out of bags to EDC for review. So I'll be going back to the Arch Grisetti, I really love that bag.
I tend to disagree with u about he handle and drain ports. If your thinking military wouldn’t padding end being destroyed after years of service? nylon webbing is all that’s needed and is super strong. And if you’re in a war-zone and you may have to deploy into water unknowingly, you’re going to be screwed if the water doesn’t drain out when you get onto land. And the nylon webbing doesn’t let any water in on wet ground. Only if u put your bag down in a small pool of water. Which in that case it’s not fully waterproof and the water will drain out anyways
The 2DAP isn’t for military use. It’s too small. They would use at minimum the 3DAP. Drain holes are not needed for civilian use. Only in water bottle pockets where there is a chance of failure or it is open to the elements to collect water.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA If the camel pac leaks then the holes are useful for the same reason. I recommend carrying a poncho to wrap your bag when laying it on the ground. In the military it’s called “turteling” your ruck.
@@TylerJordan601 not everyone carries a water bladder. And roast day pack, backpacking packs, bout earring packs, Alpine packs, etc, do not have dra holes in them. So if a camelback weeks and one of those it’s just going to pull up and eventually soak the back. I know this from experience, which is why I personally never use a Camelback anymore. They always fail at the worst possible times. That being said, there are no drain holes in the sleeve that would hold the water bladder, so the water would just pull up inside of there anyway. Goruck has the same issue on the rocket 3.0 and I’m sure 4.0. Drain holes at the bottom of the bag, but the plate carrier pocket in the water bladder pocket have a drain holes. So the water just pulls up in there and stays there. Do you have to physically take the bag turn it upside down to dump all of the water out.
My main day hike pack is and REI Trail 25. I will use bags I’m reviewing for hikes, but I did not use this bag. The only reason I did not use it for a hike was, I knew it was not for me. So I didn’t want to get it dirty and sweaty to effect the resale value of the pack. It’s very comfortable, definitely top 3 if. Ot number 1 for comfort. I just personally prefer clamshell packs and not the truth zip. I like the functionality of them more.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Got it, I got one on the way off the secondary market. Got a pretty good deal so I'm going to use it for a day hiking pack. I had a tri-zip MR bag before (Carryology Assault), and I kind of liked the zipper system. I just couldn't justify using a bag that sells for over 500 dollars for hiking. Thanks for the review and your response!
@@Misterion25 I do like the Carryology Assault pack. It has some great attributes that would make me keep a tri zip. But I really like the No Escape. I tried trading off one of my unicorns for a No Escape, but no nibbles on trades, only purchase (which I wasn't ready to do).
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I usually get them, and then replace them with a cheaper alternative. GRxC1 -> GR Rucker 3.0 25L, Unicorn -> 2DAP, Cobra -> Pathfinder, Dragon -> didn't replace.
If someone does put a water bladder inside the bag or a water bottle in there accidentally opens up, they may be real happy to have those bottom holes for the water to drain out… 👍👍
As far a a size, yes. 24l is a good place for me to be in. As far as the urban assault as a pack for me…. Naw. I never liked the look. I don’t like the way the laptop compartment is on the back of the bag instead of part of the pack. It aesthetically looks off and it messes with the carry of the bag. I’ve read and heard that it makes the bag pull down and away from the body if fully packed out. But man…. It just looks really odd.
I’m sure my BYOB 9 would fit fine. But I have sold this bag, so I cannot confirm that. But there are so many camera inserts, there is definitely one that will fit. This bag as a lot of space.
I didn’t find it to get any dirtier than any other pack. I still had a dog at that point and his hair didn’t really get stuck to the pack. I found it to be one of the better packs that I’ve had for keeping clean. And it is extremely comfortable to wear.
Heard you say you didn't like the holes in the bottom. If you're really concerned about this. You can use a heavy duty 33 gal trash bag to hold your gear. This bag can also be used as a water holder in a survival situation. I have the Spree 32 backpack. But just ordered this one because of the molle system. I prefer to be able to grab my fire kit or fist aid kit ASAP when in a Day hike. The pack will be used also for my dog. When we go hiking, I make sure we have a basic survival setup. You never know what will happen when your out walking in the woods. Everyone have a great day. Anyone with any other mods for this bag, please comment. P.S. the light carry handle can be beefed up using a cobra weave of the survival 625lb Paracord and some artificial sinew sewed into the pack
This pack was only used as an EDC. I did not use this outdoors or as any sort of BOB. In an EDC or hiking setting, a drain grommet on the bottom of the bag is not a good idea. In a tactical setting, they are useful. But this bag is not a Mill spec bag, but a smaller consumer version of their mill spec bags (3DAP). So stuffing this bag will a pack liner or a trash compactor bag would not have been needed. And for the tri-zip design of this bag, it would hinder access. My hiking day pack is set up with supplies I would need in emergency situations. They are in addition to things I need and use on a normal hike in the woods with the family and dog (prior to my dogs passing). Everything I would need to keep dry is kept in zip lock bags or dry sacks. This includes maps, insect replant, sunscreen, after bite, ect.
I’m 5’9” with a 20.5” torso length, which is long for my height. Normally my height is about 19”. I don’t have issues with bag height. It’s more width for me. My favorite size is about 22-25L. But I have several 30+ I’ll EDC.
@@zavirax this 2DAP was a l/xl harness. I had it pretty much all the way down. There was a little more room, but I am kind of in the verge of both. If you are closer to 18”, go with the M harness.
That bag was a L/XL and I am 5’9” but I have a long torso size for my height. I probably could have still used a M/L harness though. There was a lot more adjustability in it than I thought.
@@neles74 they were from Amazon. They are not load bearing. But work great to attach things to a pack. Especially now. Great place to toss a mask it hand sanitizer.
If you have a varying option than mine, please share it here. Let's chat about it. If you use slanderous, vial or politic language it will either be caught in the YT naughty words filter in a sub folder. And I will not approve anything that is bigotry or political.
I own this bag and love it. I agree with you on the grab handle, so I customized it by sewing a piece of leather around it.
I was going to paracord wrap it, but I sold this bag because I’m a clam shell guy. Great pack though. So incredibly comfortable.
i was thinking that would be a great simple and effective solution
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Hey what clamshell bag did you get, and was it as comfortable harness wise?
@@alexopdam9100 the first full clamshell bag I picked up after this was a GR136 Rainmaker followed by a few GR1’s. While I have had of comfortable bags, nothing as comfortable as the 2DAP. The adjustability of the harness is unmatched.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA thanks for that - I have a 45l Coulee that I use for grocery shopping with my bicycle and it's very comfortable. I have a CPL 28 for carrying my 16" laptop but it's not as comfortable as I would like for wandering around all day. I guess if I want something really comfortable I'll need to accept a more tactical look like the 2dap. Thanks for your thoughts!
Watched both your vids on this bag. Thanks for the follow-up after some use. I picked one up after watching! A few complaints I have: 1) I don't like the tri-zip feature either. I love the concept, but I find it adds time to access my stuff, unless it's at the bottom of the pack. To get anything other than the laptop, I have to unzip/zip two to three zippers vs one. 2) The upper compression strap prevents the middle of the tri-zip to unzip without unbuckling the strap. So now to get to the bottom of the bag, it's one more step. This strap is really a catch-22 because I wish my Scree 32 had the upper strap. The solution in my opinion would be to reverse the buckles on one of the side compression straps that the Scree has so that they can be strapped on the side when not needed on the back of the pack, but can be run around the pack if needed. 3) The external water bottle pockets don't hold my water bottles (Hydroflask and Klean Kanteen). I found this out the hard way when I used it on my first flight with this bag. I reached for the bag from the overhead compartment after the flight and the aluminum bottle fell and hit someone! Terrible retention. They need to change the material to make it tighter or add little straps to cinch those down, like they have on the In and Out. In the end, not sure if I'm going to keep the 2DAP because of these gripes. It's SUPER comfortable and high-quality though!
I had a few of those same issues. for the top compression strap, I never used it. I used some cable wraps and tucked it back. That kept it out of the way, without being destructive to the bag (i.e. cutting it off). As for the water bottle pockets, i did find them to be a bit lose. This was a bit of an issue when setting the bag down on the couch I have in my office at work. I did think some duraflex would make the bag not only look better, but make for better functioning water bottle pockets. The downside to that would be less durability. But seeing as this is made for the consumer market and not the military market (like the 3DAP is made for), I feel duraflex would be a great option on this bag.
I ultimately sold this bag and moved on to something more my speed. It is probably one of the most comfortable bags I've ever worn though. Nothing beats and MR harness.
Sick Spitfire patches 🔥 Just picked up a 2DAP today, can’t wait to run it. Great review bro, really gave me inspiration for my loadout. 🤙🏽
Thanks man! I the heads on just about everything. They were the only wheels I skated. Enjoy your pack, it’s a great bag.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA hi, where can i get the spitfire patches?
@@strandhoggphoto Any skate shop should have them. If not some place like CCS, Tactics or probably Amazon will have them. Mine are all like 20+ years old at this point. most are from high school.
I briefly owned one of the 2DAP bags, but it was too small for me and it didn't have enough capacity so I steeled myself and went for the 3DAP, and am awaiting its arrival. Also, my biggest gripe with the 2DAP is the body adjustment procedure: I wish they offered 4 sizes. I scraped up one of my fingers doing the adjustment. :) Just wanted to thank you for your helpful video; I like your enthusiasm-and reasonable approach to you tubing.
Are you in western, or central Pennsylvania? Such beautiful country.
@@bradleysmith4409 I’m glad my video was useful. And that damn hook and loop is rough in the hands breaking it loose to adjust the harness. It did a number on my as well.
I am actually located in Eastern PA. I am from the home of Dunder Mifflin (or Penn Paper which is the real Scranton based company the inspiration to set the show in came from).
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I'm just gonna wear gloves when I trick it out. :)
@@bradleysmith4409 Why didn't I think of that!
Very nice review, appreciate the detailed take on the pack ;)
Thank you.
Just stumbled on this video. Nice review. You forgot about the compression straps on the front and how you can cinch it down. I have a BigHorn now since discontinued. It’s a 3000 cubic inch pack with a tri zip. Same internal pockets too. I love the tri zip. If I’m just grabbing a bigger jacket or something easy to get I’ll just unzip the front middle zipper and pull it out through there and not bother unzipping the top two.
Great user name. I was watching King of the Hill last night.
Thanks, you make that bag look very good. Comments on harness comfort kind of sold it to me. One Question though, how good a job does it do standing up?
It stands up fairly well on its own. The thumb mail and pan shots, I just plopped it down on the ground and it stood there. Burn with any bag, how you pack it out will make a difference on how well it stands on its own.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA sure, I appreciate the info
If the ground is wet enought that water is going to seep past the webbing on the bottom and up through a 1/8in thick grommet, you're setting your bag in a puddle and the water is going to quickly soak through the bottom of a bag without gromits. If the ground is simply damp, it will saturate the bottom of the bag eventually but the water will not magically leap through the gromits.
If you are setting a bag down in a puddle in an EDC environment, you have some issues you need to work on. Have you ever used a 500D bag? They are pretty water resistant. So setting it down for a period of time on damp or wet ground/surfaces is not going to "seep" through. This scenario is more for a day pack or a trail/city set up. You don't always know of the ground is dry. Setting a bag down with an open hole will in fact allow the countenance to get wet. If you leave it there long enough and the ground surface is wet enough, yes eventually the cordura will wet out and water will get inside. But again if that happens, you probably have some other issues to work on.
Just squirt a little black silicone in the bottom grommet and let it fill and setup. Presto waterproof!
I was considering a bit of black or clear tenacious tape. But I don't like to do any destructive mods to packs while testing. I do that for 2 reasons: 1) I want to test the bag as it was made and designed. 2) In case I want to move the pack along after the review (which was the case with this 2DAP).
hydration bladders fit to the interior, if they burst/leak, the grommet in the bottom of the bag will drain off the water from inside the bag. a seamstress can sew in a button hole for hydration hoses quite easily.
In this instance the grommet is. It for a leaking hydration bladder. Is it for drainage during military operations when they are out in a downpour, or traversing through water. Or in this bags case, a lot of people ruck in it. But the 2DAP is more for the civilian market, where the 3DAP is a military focused bag.
I’m addition, most bags built for hiking, Gregory, Osprey, Deuter, Zpack, Waymark, ect. Do not have grommets. They range from Dynema, VX, EPX, multiple variants of nylon with no grommets.
Let’s take a 210d body with a 410d base as Ana example. This is pretty common. Now a 210/410 will saturate, soak out and drain much faster than a 1000d cordura will. But the water will still pool and soak the contents of the bag. Inversely a drain hole will not allow the water to rush out of the bag. So water will still pool and soak the bag before it drains.
That being said, this was one of the most comfortable bags I’ve ever worn. I really wish I got along with the tri-zip bag design.
Great analysis, have you used RUSH 24 of 5.11?
Thank you. I have not tried any 5.11 packs yet. There are a few I do like, I just haven't gotten a chance with any yet. I think I might build out a new BOB, and I am looking at a few 5.11 packs for that.... but I will have to EDC it first! Stay tuned to see if I get my paws on one!
That grab handle catches crap on the 3dap also 😂 every vlog ever made!
For such a well built bag, you would think they whisk do something more than a floppy piece of webbing for a grab handle.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Hey there, I get your concern on the handle, mainly mystery ranch designed that grab handle for 2 reasons, additional stitching was found to not improve the handle's durability but rather weaken it (as the webbing strap is getting punctured) and also because in the military mindset we barely use grab handles and when we do we MOSTLY have gloves on so comfort is usually not a big deal. Or they were just lazy... (it was a theory that was proposed to me some years ago when we tested NICE frames for stuff with mystery ranch folks... )
Great objective review. I am intrigued by the orange biners. Where did you get them?
Thank you! I just picked up the carabiners on Amazon. I’ve got them in a few different colors to match different bags. amzn.to/37giYiD
I’m not sure if I’m too keen on the 3 zipper look of the bag. How well does the bag work like that?
It works really well. And the way the top zips opens, (at least on the larger bags like the 2DAP) and allows the lid to flip all the way back and gives you a. Full view of the inside of the bag. I found that I personally prefer clamshell bags or half zips bags over the tie-zip design. I just like to unzip and lay the bag open flat of I really need to get all the way into a bag. Or unzip the front and “flop” it down to get inside. Over all the tri-zip design is great, it just wasn’t my personal preference for a bag.
i can agree ^ they are extremely functional. really cant tell how great it is until you use it and then try a clamshell style. the 3 zip system is amazing
Can you name those pouches and bags you store in your bag? Especially the rolled one. Would like to check them out, but sometimes it’s hard to understand their names for non native english speakers.
The first one was an cheap admin pouch form Amazon that I modified to meet my needs. The battery bank/tool roll is a Lowepro GearUp Wrap. The black tool kit is a cheap Amazon Tactical EDC pocket organizer that is basically the same thing as a Maxpedition pocket organizer it 1/3 the cost. The black VX with green zipper, the smaller blue pouch and the green/black grid pouch were bought on Etsy from Riveted Oak Designs.
I got this same bag, and I have no complaints except for the flimsy thin grab handle. Have you tried on the 3DAP? Do you feel it would be TOO large for an EDC bag? Thanks!
I have not tried the 3DAP, and honestly I don't plan too. At about 33L the 3DAP is way to big for an EDC in my opinion. The 2DAP was pretty large for a 27L pack. After using this pack for a month or so, I found the tri-zip isn't for me and I sold it. I'm more of a clam shell guy. This bag was incredibly comfortable, but access wasn't functional for me. So the 3DAP would not be a useful pack for me.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I have to admit, I was a little hesitant about even the 2DAP looking ridiculous. But I am happy with it. However, I do not have any need for hydration bladders, and I believe the 3DAP does not have a side access for the laptop. But it has large, deep mesh pockets which I love. I'm a bit surprised you flipped that 2DAP, you seemed to really like it. But I get the clam shell thing. Thank you for taking time to reply bro.
@@edwardgreller I did really like the bag. That’s the first time I gave a great review to a pack I over all didn’t find worked for me. But it’s a personal preference to how the bag opens. It functions amazingly well. Ha great organization. Is ridiculously comfortable, and new it comes in at $199 USD. So it really is an all around r he eat pack.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA so what u rocking now?
@@edwardgreller Currently a GR1 as a EDC and a LBT 8006a as a Dad bag. Before the GR1 I was EDCing an Arch Grisetti, A Greenroom 136 VX42 Rainmaker and a UAG STD Issue 24. After the GR1, I am out of bags to EDC for review. So I'll be going back to the Arch Grisetti, I really love that bag.
I tend to disagree with u about he handle and drain ports. If your thinking military wouldn’t padding end being destroyed after years of service? nylon webbing is all that’s needed and is super strong. And if you’re in a war-zone and you may have to deploy into water unknowingly, you’re going to be screwed if the water doesn’t drain out when you get onto land. And the nylon webbing doesn’t let any water in on wet ground. Only if u put your bag down in a small pool of water. Which in that case it’s not fully waterproof and the water will drain out anyways
The 2DAP isn’t for military use. It’s too small. They would use at minimum the 3DAP. Drain holes are not needed for civilian use. Only in water bottle pockets where there is a chance of failure or it is open to the elements to collect water.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA If the camel pac leaks then the holes are useful for the same reason. I recommend carrying a poncho to wrap your bag when laying it on the ground. In the military it’s called “turteling” your ruck.
@@TylerJordan601 not everyone carries a water bladder. And roast day pack, backpacking packs, bout earring packs, Alpine packs, etc, do not have dra holes in them. So if a camelback weeks and one of those it’s just going to pull up and eventually soak the back. I know this from experience, which is why I personally never use a Camelback anymore. They always fail at the worst possible times. That being said, there are no drain holes in the sleeve that would hold the water bladder, so the water would just pull up inside of there anyway.
Goruck has the same issue on the rocket 3.0 and I’m sure 4.0. Drain holes at the bottom of the bag, but the plate carrier pocket in the water bladder pocket have a drain holes. So the water just pulls up in there and stays there. Do you have to physically take the bag turn it upside down to dump all of the water out.
You mentioned you don't use it day hiking. What bag do you use day hiking?
My main day hike pack is and REI Trail 25. I will use bags I’m reviewing for hikes, but I did not use this bag. The only reason I did not use it for a hike was, I knew it was not for me. So I didn’t want to get it dirty and sweaty to effect the resale value of the pack. It’s very comfortable, definitely top 3 if. Ot number 1 for comfort. I just personally prefer clamshell packs and not the truth zip. I like the functionality of them more.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Got it, I got one on the way off the secondary market. Got a pretty good deal so I'm going to use it for a day hiking pack. I had a tri-zip MR bag before (Carryology Assault), and I kind of liked the zipper system. I just couldn't justify using a bag that sells for over 500 dollars for hiking. Thanks for the review and your response!
@@Misterion25 I do like the Carryology Assault pack. It has some great attributes that would make me keep a tri zip. But I really like the No Escape. I tried trading off one of my unicorns for a No Escape, but no nibbles on trades, only purchase (which I wasn't ready to do).
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I usually get them, and then replace them with a cheaper alternative. GRxC1 -> GR Rucker 3.0 25L, Unicorn -> 2DAP, Cobra -> Pathfinder, Dragon -> didn't replace.
What size were the laptops shown here? I have a brand new 16” MBP and can’t tell if it’ll fit. Thanks.
2016 15" MBP. Plenty of room in there for a 16"
If someone does put a water bladder inside the bag or a water bottle in there accidentally opens up, they may be real happy to have those bottom holes for the water to drain out… 👍👍
They are not there for water bottle/ bladder drainage.
Would the Urban Assault 24L be in your sweet spot?
As far a a size, yes. 24l is a good place for me to be in. As far as the urban assault as a pack for me…. Naw. I never liked the look. I don’t like the way the laptop compartment is on the back of the bag instead of part of the pack. It aesthetically looks off and it messes with the carry of the bag. I’ve read and heard that it makes the bag pull down and away from the body if fully packed out. But man…. It just looks really odd.
Could you get a camera insert and use this as a camera travel bag?
I’m sure my BYOB 9 would fit fine. But I have sold this bag, so I cannot confirm that. But there are so many camera inserts, there is definitely one that will fit. This bag as a lot of space.
does black color get dirty easily?
I didn’t find it to get any dirtier than any other pack. I still had a dog at that point and his hair didn’t really get stuck to the pack. I found it to be one of the better packs that I’ve had for keeping clean. And it is extremely comfortable to wear.
Heard you say you didn't like the holes in the bottom.
If you're really concerned about this. You can use a heavy duty 33 gal trash bag to hold your gear. This bag can also be used as a water holder in a survival situation.
I have the Spree 32 backpack.
But just ordered this one because of the molle system. I prefer to be able to grab my fire kit or fist aid kit ASAP when in a Day hike.
The pack will be used also for my dog. When we go hiking, I make sure we have a basic survival setup. You never know what will happen when your out walking in the woods.
Everyone have a great day.
Anyone with any other mods for this bag, please comment.
P.S. the light carry handle can be beefed up using a cobra weave of the survival 625lb Paracord and some artificial sinew sewed into the pack
This pack was only used as an EDC. I did not use this outdoors or as any sort of BOB. In an EDC or hiking setting, a drain grommet on the bottom of the bag is not a good idea. In a tactical setting, they are useful. But this bag is not a Mill spec bag, but a smaller consumer version of their mill spec bags (3DAP). So stuffing this bag will a pack liner or a trash compactor bag would not have been needed. And for the tri-zip design of this bag, it would hinder access.
My hiking day pack is set up with supplies I would need in emergency situations. They are in addition to things I need and use on a normal hike in the woods with the family and dog (prior to my dogs passing). Everything I would need to keep dry is kept in zip lock bags or dry sacks. This includes maps, insect replant, sunscreen, after bite, ect.
What brand is the blue hook on the side？
That is a Hero Clip, size medium.
What is your backpack size? Your torso length? Your height?
I’m 5’9” with a 20.5” torso length, which is long for my height. Normally my height is about 19”. I don’t have issues with bag height. It’s more width for me. My favorite size is about 22-25L. But I have several 30+ I’ll EDC.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA what about your back size? Is it s/m or l/xl?
@@jeffgrantMEDIA I'm between 18 and 20 inch in torso so I was wondering which size to get 🤔
@@zavirax this 2DAP was a l/xl harness. I had it pretty much all the way down. There was a little more room, but I am kind of in the verge of both. If you are closer to 18”, go with the M harness.
What is the size of the suspension in the video and how tall are you?
That bag was a L/XL and I am 5’9” but I have a long torso size for my height. I probably could have still used a M/L harness though. There was a lot more adjustability in it than I thought.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA cool i guess i could go for the same size then as we are of similar height.. thanks!
How tall are you?
5’9”
What size is the bigger laptop?
It’s a 15” screen, but the over all dimensions are 18” ( diagonal) and 1” thick.
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Thanks!
@@neles74 you’re welcome
@@jeffgrantMEDIA Just ordered one, those orange carabiners look nice. Where did you buy them?
@@neles74 they were from Amazon. They are not load bearing. But work great to attach things to a pack. Especially now. Great place to toss a mask it hand sanitizer.