SWEEPING changes in Liga MX after Mexico’s disastrous World Cup! Will they be successful? | ESPN FC
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2023
- ESPN FC’s Sebastian Salazar and Herculez Gomez are joined by Mauricio Pedroza to take a deep dive on the changes proposed for Liga MX.
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Just send scouts to every pueblo, city, and rural areas of México, find the best local players, bring them back to the city and give them a shot. There's so much talent that goes unrecognized or is underrated.
The issue is bringing these talented kids back to the city… most just don’t have the funds :(
Sounds easier said than done. The FMF is just a business in which football comes last. Most of the players at academies have paid to be placed there and the majority of them are not good, they just have rich parents.
What if the lil fucker likes to drink modelos more
For that youll be need a good infraestructure system un the country, which mexico doesnt have, like at all, adding to that the problem of some villages beign the facto controlled by the narcos, add to that there are some criminal groups that just either kidnap you or steal your car in the middle of the highway, there are multiple factors to implement what you say, add the extra that some parents in like oaxaca wouldnt let their kids so far away to like monterrey, torreon, mexico city, puebla, pachuca, etc because they know its hard to be a football player, so add to that the unwillingness of the families, some teams like pachuca offer them education so at least they would have that extra incentive, but not all the teams nor that all the teams could afford it.
If the U.S cant do that, what makes you think Mexico has the funds and facilities and leagues to hone talent
I think if liga Mx would have a system like the top 5 European leagues the first place team wins the title. And regulation 3 teams go to the 2nd division and three teams go up and that’s the only way to make things more demanding and bring out more young players. That’s the only way this league will become better. The money is there it’s just need to spend it wisely and instead of paying for extranjeros then give young talent an opportunity to shine.
100000% agree, with the system they use, there’s no winning mentality.
As long as they’re top 8 in the league they have a chance to win the league. So of course they are not scared at all to drop points.
And being top of the league doesn’t matter at all
It used to be this way in Mexico long ago before the 70s. First place team won the title, but the format was changed because it was deemed to unrewarding to smaller clubs. The format was changed after the 1970 World Cup to a Liguilla format.
3 teams?? There’s only 18 teams haha
Imo I think its boring that first place becomes the champion in those leagues because with the postseason its a whole different aspect of the sport
Yes, Seb, the requirements are bad. As Herc said, if they play well enough to go up, the stadium attendance capacity shouldn't be a limit. Let them make the money in LMX and then improve their stadiums.
The relegation and promotion has to be THE MAIN THING that had liga MX competitive, still is but back when, the passion and the fire was more serious
The MLS lacks promotion/relegation as well but they are still successful because they are willing to sell their young players. If Liga MX were willing to let their best young stars go to europe at 18/19/20 years old they would develop much better
@@symptomofsouls a lot of times they are too young and inexperienced and then they fail in Europe. Better to keep them until 23 after they've had solid seasons and then sell a more polished product
@@fallenxangel105 Maybe. But my theory is if you don't send them to europe, there is virtually no chance of them becoming world class. If they go to europe their training will be so much better
@@symptomofsouls true, if that's the case they need to sell them cheap to Europe team to justify buying Mexicans over growing their own players from their academy
@@fallenxangel105 That's what America does, and it works pretty well. Hehe
The stronger Liga MX and Mexican National teams are the stronger the US national team will get I believe. Hoping the best for Mexican football.
It’s simple. Give youth a real opportunity to play, grow, learn. It would be amazing if every club had a professional ‘B’ team instead of a sub 20. Sub 20 doesn’t prepare you for the professional game. ‘B’ squads competing en la 2da, 3ra division would be amazing. It’s very rare to see players at the age of 17-21 get any professional minutes in the 1st or 2nd division of Mexico
In all the confederations you have sub-20 tournaments, let's take the two most important ones, UEFA and Conmebol, they have sub-20 championships in all the leagues (called reserve championships), then the sub-20 Libertadores Cup, sub-20 South American Cup, UEFA has the championships of each sub 20 league, sub 20 champions league, and then the champions of both confederations face each other, that competition makes them produce the number of young and quality players that Concacaf and Mexico never produced
@@victorfortunato Yes but say in the UEFA youth league the best U20 players aren’t competing in the tournament unless they’re around 16/17. The best ones are already in 1st team squads or reserve squads getting professional minutes
@@palemonhurtado8914 yeah, i know, but you don't have that in concacaf, in fact concacaf is lacking in that mather, that is why you don't see young player from concacaf in the level of south american youth
As a Canadian I have a few suggestions marketing wise for Liga MX, as I'd like to follow the league more as it's the top league in our confederation. Both the league and all of it's clubs need to have English language apps and websites, sell the leagues foreign rights as a collective not individually and have games on here in Canada, and get out of their exclusive deal with Konami and go begging back to EA Sports to be in EA FC 2024.
honestly this is a great idea
Lmao the video game license has little impact. You think people went in swarms to watch Liga MX when it was already on FIFA? EA did nothing with the license despite having it forever. Konami has already done more within the past 6 months than EA ever did.
Use VPN and get UA-cam TV
It won't change much tbh. What we need is to simply be willing to sell players when they hit their ceiling here
Chingados
Wow! Great discussion, in depth analysis, and passion! ESPN FC needs to highlight these guys more and more. I've been starved for good soccer analysis here in the US for a long time, and the guys at ESPN FC that cover Europe have been joking around waaaaay to much during their segments barring a few of the European based non studio guys.
Mexico needs pro reg and they need to get rid of the two season format . One season should be enough . And they need to stop overpricing their players. But multi owner group is also a good step
Your right
Over one year later and absolutely nothing has changed
I love Seb’s jacket. My mom and sister have the exact same one and wore it during the last World Cup.
I love how Mexican media/ Mexican fans are very pro on “we want our coach to be MEXICAN!!!!” Yet are ok with a bunch of foreign players in their teams 🤦 especially the media from espn deportes and televisa who are crying about how Mexico did bad in World Cup because the coach isn’t Mexican smh
I can’t speak for everyone but I know alot of fans of teams from the liga mx are asking for a return to a limit of 3-5 foreign player per team. Back when that rule existed it was when we began to see a growth of Mexican talent come out from the league but I agree on those people who are against that. I’m not against a foreign coach Idc if they are Mexican, foreign, alien, anything as long as they have a identity for the team and a plan with a long term view.
It's because South American players are better and cheaper.
U know nothing
@@fernandoyanez1162 I don’t know who that was for but your reply sure does help the conversation 👍🏼
@@fernandoyanez1162 you probably know nothing. Being a good player is almost never an important factor in making a good manager
FMF should considered having more domestic tournaments similar to the US Open and the FA Cup.
What’s that? You want more games vs Belize in Texas?
Yes, you are right but they must be under 20 tournaments for more development
We use to have COPA MX which was the FA CUP of Mexico and it was fun to see because the small (2nd divison) teams were actually beationg the big teams and reaching finals.
@@shindeirunani They need to bring back the Copa MX. I want to see small teams beat America, Chivas, Monterrey
Did they cancel the Copa MX? If so, why?
A year long tournament like other leagues would be best as well.
Mexico and Turkey (especially) are the most underwhelming in terms of player development. By population, economics, and passion for the sport
@@fernandom572 thats literally not what I said lol
@@mikexstad1121true, Turkey and Mexico have a lot of potential. The same can be said about Nigeria where they play fantastic in sub 20. Where they dip and mayor leagues because player development sucks.
I like getting rid of the repechaje but at the same time, players are gonna play harder so it may result in more injuries.
Cimarrones de Sonora is the only club that in my opinion can compete in Liga MX. As for how to get the rest of the clubs prepared, Liga MX must provide some sort of subsidy to the teams for then to invest in a cantera. Over time, forming more youth players will get the teams in the Liga Expansion up to speed.
Atletico Morelia I think would be fine albeit I am biased as I really miss Monarcas in the top flight.
@@sammyreyes362 Morelia got done dirty by Ricardo Salinas Pliego.
@pavelromanenko3718 what did he do to them? I'm genuinely curious.
@@cristianjurado5796 he moved the team from their long-time home of Morelia, Michoacán where they had been since 1950 to Mazatlán, Sinaloa. Then he basically called the fans who were upset to see the team move pathetic and ridiculous.
These are all good ideas if they actually do it. Because outside of the Supporters shield, these are all things they've done before at some point in their history but changed in order to make more money. And I was also underwhelmed by the minimal change to the foreign player change
I like one long season instead of two but maybe that's just a personal preference. I feel like two seasons leads to a lot of shuffling of players and that's not the best for development of players.
Liga max needs to follow European league style if they want to improve
ESPN, the fancy subtitles are hard to read
1. Bring back promotion/relegation
2. Invest in youth development
3. Clubs need to play in Copa Libertadores and Copa Sudamericana and the Seleccion needs to play in the Copa America
Clubs need to stop overvaluing their Mexican players. European clubs aren't gonna overpay for Mexican players when instead they can go to South America and buy better players for half the price.
Copa libertadores is great tournament
They need to stop with these short 17 hame half seasons and play a full campaign like in other leagues
maybe relegation like in scotland where one team goes down and the second last plays second best of 2nd tier?
1-4 and 6 are good ideas. 5 is pointless.
Hercules spitting facts
change their currency from dollar to peso?? idk
Long tournament. And reduce to 5 foreign players
I would even argue instead of 8 teams only have 6 teams in the liguillla. Top 2 go automatically to semis and #3 in the league plays #6, while #4 plays #5 then it would be semis and final. That gives an incentive to try to finish at the top and have good games in the liguilla, sometimes they have deadwood games in liguilla ESPECIALLY with repechaje
It's my first time seeing the face behind the voice (guy on left side of the screen).. the dude looks like a robot.
It would be nice to see Mexico use players from liga expansion there’s literally players that have transferred to bigger clubs then la liga max has
The issue is who is the, "feeder league?" MLS or LIGA MX? And right now it's LIGA MX... but...
NEW PERSPECTIVES.
Foreign player allowed change from 8 to 7 is stupid. Need the best players in the world in Liga MX if most El Tri players will still come from LMX.
You guys should get a Job at the Federation.. go for it guys! we need Good brains
welp sucks for them
Mexico has so much talent they better do right in 2026
I like promotion and relegation
Nah eradicate multi ownership
ALSO THE POINT TROPHY IS STUPID. WE R LIGA MX NOT USA WE R BETTER
Also keep the players in liga mx. Europe don't give a sht about Mexicans and Europe full of exports. Mexico better
increase league size to 20, reduce foreigners limit to like 3-4, the more games played the more chances these youngsters will get, bring back promotion and regulation
when they said they would get rid of promotion and regulation this was bound to happen, it showed they only cared about making money
Your right as a person who has a family that loves this league I’m all in for promation
Relegation is hype
When is this federation going to learn that Tata and any other manager they decide to hire for that matter is just a symptom and not the root of the problem. If you don't send your best players to top tier European clubs then no matter what you do in regards to managers won't matter!
They need to adopt MLS system, one payoffs per year is enough
Your right
Liga MX is leaving so much money on the table by not consolidating the TV rights into a single package. Bigger investments and can introduce parachute payments
The League is like the Country turn up the music pore me another drink show me the money while everything around me goes in flames
YASSSS YASSSSSS
Blame the America blame Tigers blame Monterrey for buying everything
I don't understand the exportation issue. Isn't it the same challenge as players from South America?
no, most of the south american players have dual nationality, someone that doesn't happen in mexico
@@victorfortunato Thanks for the explanation.
@@danielh4295 The issue is that dual nationality is granted to you but there is a limit to past generations, for example Italian and Spanish, there are three generations, that is, if you want to get it you have to have a relative of up to three generations, (you, your father, your grandfather, great-great-grandfather), the majority of Mexicans do not meet that condition, is it better understood?
@@victorfortunato Yes very clear.
Morelia is gonna move up 🎉
I hope so man! The wait has been too long!
Mexico needs to have a BLUELOCK
Mexican players should try Brazilian League or Argentinian League to better their game.
Argentina national team is good, the league not su much
WOW, so Liga MX will outbid, European clubs? Interesting.
Copa America and Gold Cup? How about letting the A team compete in Copa America
Yes and let all the unexperienced players play in the Gold Cup and Nations League no ones care about that I care about the Copa América tho
I’m ready coach
If there is a soon to be tournament of conmbol and concacaf it should be the winner of recopa sudamericana vs winner of the leagues cup and decided on its neutral sites such as estadio Maracaná, Mercedes Benz stadium, estadio azteca etc
In clubs? There is never going to be a Big tournament, only friendly games, neither of the two confederations is going to stop earning money for a tournament that benefits neither, Conmebol is not going to give up its broadcasting rights and Concacaf is not going to go where it does not have broadcasting rights.
@@victorfortunato yes in club similar to the finalilsma
@@Frankieefootballmundial you mean the cup that conmebol never wants to play? The Interamericana? They don't care
I also don’t like this split season thing that Mexico does (as well as other Spanish speaking countries). One single season, one league champion.
The promotion/relegation system in Mexico was and will always be ridiculously stupid if its done the way the FMF wants it. Just let the bad teams go down and the good ones go up, stop emphasizing so much on the economic side of clubs over the actual football.
Your right the Argentina league does the same thing river plate got relgited an 2011
I don't understand how they can enforce the rule of foreign players on the field. Who is watching for that? Not the refs I hope. They should probably come up with a simple rule that majority of the roster should be homies. The Liga MX and MLS should get their seasons to match in start date/stop date. Then eliminate their league playoff systems completely. Then have a 16 team Super League playoff/season. Eight from each league.
MLS has surpassed Liga MX in quality & bringing in players to the leagues. There was moments where Liga MX had potential but it was never consistent.
No
Yeah Mls Teams are better
I did not think Mexico were bad, in fact they deserved to beat KSA, were better against Poland and if it were not for Messi's left foot they would have drawn with Argentina. At the end of the day luck was not on Mexico's side. Mexico are always good and competitive to some degree due to a large talent pool that play in Europe or at least have the European experience, some good homegrown players and a good football culture.
No, Argentina’s defense put Mexico against the wall, they failed to do anything on the offense, and their performances against Poland and KSA were underwhelming.
Blaming it on Bad Luck is just a cope.
@@cornball0072 Argentina did nothing before Messi's left footed shot beat Ochoa from long range.
@@mardigbidanian7119 Still wrong, Argentina’s defense and pressure was way too much for Mexico. You keep saying argentina did nothing, yet they scored two goals, one of which was a beautiful shot by Fernandez. Yet Mexico still also had lackluster performances against Poland and KSA. Do not blame this on “bad luck” they underperformed.There’s a reason why Liga MX is changing their system around. All Mexico does is make 2nd place in a group stage to get eliminated in the Round of 16 time and time again. Even the US is a better team at the moment. If it really was “bad luck” Mexico wouldn’t desperate for a change in their system. Bad coaching and bad playing stopped Mexico
@@cornball0072 Argentina despite the pressure and possession created nothing for 60 minutes. In fact, I actually think Mexico approached the game in the correct way. However, Messi's left foot cannot be coached or stopped. The goal was a long range goal, this means that Argentina could not get close enough to Mexico's goal. After that the game opened up.
A lot of Mexican players have European XP. I'm not saying there is no room for improvement, there always is, however Mexico have talent to work with. The base is there. Remember Mexico only did not pass the group stage on goal difference. Poland were dreadful frankly. Some countries have a talent developement issue. Mexico may have some issues, but enough Mexican players are making it to Europe, even playing in the UCL and Europa League.
@@mardigbidanian7119 So Poland played dreadful? Advanced, but Mexico played well and didn’t advance. Mexico did nothing against Poland, and they accomplished nothing against the Argentine that were “doing nothing for 60 minutes”. Your whole argument is just based on their one game with Argentina, meanwhile everything else im saying is true, Mexico’s coaching is atrocious, their team is badly
Managed, and they didn’t play well especially in this World Cup. Don’t blame “bad luck” when National Teams with a lot less have done a lot more. Mexico has been in so many World Cup’s, their mediocracy and failure to capitalize on talent has finally caught up to them.
I never liked how Mexico did promotion/relegation. That just looked dumb. Like a club could be the worst during the season and win like 2 matches and tie 3 while losing the rest but not be relegated.
It’s more of the same, promises that will never be fulfill, they only care about the money and the sponsors, the young talents will never get a chance if they don’t have money to pay, I used to love watching liga Mx, but now it’s more of a grey distant memory, the game has no passion and the foreigners ruined that
Televisa has too much power..
Mexico will never win a World Cup as long as the FMF’s top concern is winning money over winning football games. 12 out of 18 teams in the playoffs is a joke sure it brings in more money but makes the league as a whole less competitive. No relegation means complacency if you’re guaranteed a spot in the top division next year why even try to get out of last place? 8 foreign player allowed on the field gives no room for up and coming Mexican youngsters and finally the mentality when it comes to exporting players why sell a promising player to a top 5 league for 7.5 million and you can sell him to your rival team for 10 million. What were the results of these changes? Going from not getting past the round of 16 to not even making out of the group stage. Maybe instead of trying to copy MLS we should copy actual World Cup winners like Argentina or Brazil and send scouts to the barrios and pueblos and export the talent to Europe but idk I’m just some random guy in the internet could be wrong
I think Mexico needs 20k public soccer schools train all the kids for free by using Mexican tax dollars also make them play other schools send scouts on the best schools get them in to the best team the league should be a year long also mx cup the best play they’re
Also create a school where the all school national all star team train them better to reach theyre pontential meanwhile playing theyre youth academy club
For professional chivas should be the center of youth academy soccer by keeping them under 21 And loan them sell them to Europe or South America which makes chives a lot of money by only making youth academy playing professional
Reduce foreign players to 5
The talent mexico has smh what a shame we haven't won a world cup with the seniors.
The MX league sounds like a mess!
liga mx and Mexican national team have only cared about money for the longest time, liga mx has felt more like a business than a real league for the longest time
You need promotion and relegation in the league systems plain and simple. Liga MX once had it but the corruption in Mexico took it away
First they need to stop hiring foreigners n buddies as coaches
But if they don’t hire foreigners Mexican fans wouldn’t have that excuse of their coach just giving the game away 😂
Japon got the right idea way before Mexico.
Blue lock lol Mexico player just need to getter so they can go over seas. Straight up lol
Three champions is just as dumb as two champions. One champion one season.
It should be 7 foreign players in the whole squad instead of the starting 11 and they should put their effort into fixing the naturalization loophole
Liga MX fans just enjoy complaining regardless of the news.
Nah bro if liga mx makes their format european style, plays libertadores and copa america, bring back promotion relegation, I will never ever complain again
I think liga mx go back to promotion and relegation
Me too
Liga MX is a joke and will always be a joke with all the money hungry executives.
Every single time Mexico goes against Argentina in a World Cup match they have lost, what do they expect to actualy win a World Cup? That is a pipe dream, try and focus on winning a Copa America first and then you can dream of World Cup Gold. Until one of your clubs wins a Copa Libertadores you can never compare your players to South America players. Like I say, Mexico can win a World Cup playing FIFA on the PlayStation.
Yet chicharto said mexico he Believe they can World Cup
He just being dumb
Im mexican and your point is very well said
Mexico almost always sends a B team with a few A team players to the Copa América and were in 2 finals 3rd places. The last Good Copa América performance was in 2007 that's like 16 Years ago. Mexico won the Eurpoa league version/ 2nd division of Copa Liberators of South America in 2006 with Pachuc.
Mexico will never make it past the quarterfinals in the world cup because their league system is a joke. Most leagues in the world are not split into two . I put money if the Liga MX channge that reduce the foreign players only allowing four visas per team then we will be able to see competitiveness in our Mexican players.
All those adjustments and all are useless. Just join comnebol.
The problem is neither of them (México, concacaf, conmebol) wants
They are scared lol lst time they played copa america they lost by a touchdown
@@user-vd1lk8bj8y 2 finals
@@Neno_6610 lost both🤷🏻♂️
Mexico has always copied American sports even before MLS
Liga mx was made before mls and NBA
First
Here is ur prize for 1st place 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
@@aztekwarriorhr didn’t ask for a prize mf 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
What a Boring league !!!! 😂😂
Your right make it better
They hired an Argentine coach, so when Argentina beat them again they will still use that excuse of their coach giving Argentina the game 😂😂😂😂
Wait, is this Mexican guys talking about foreigners coming into the country and taking jobs? 😂😂😂
Mexico will attempt to transform the entire squad in wrong way just like Qatar before 2022.
They had won the Asian Cup in 2019 and also reached the semifinals of Gold Cup and Arab Cup in 2021. You know what happened next. They ruled out immediately without wins and regarded as the worst World Cup hosts of all time!
mexico is going downhill and im here for it.🤣
USA!!
You love to see Mexico in shambles 🤤
It's more boring then the mls💯🤷♂️
@Ryou_ 【999haven】 Yeah but liga mx is so disgusting it's make me sick 🤢🤮
No body care...talk about Belharter and the Reynas.
Mexican soccer is more popular in the US than US soccer lol
@@pablovillagomez6075 Wal-Mart still has more sales then Amazon too.
But in both cases, who is hitting the panic button? The #1 or the one that keeps gaining?
Get Diego Lianez a new personal chef
Mexico overachieved at the WC given the squad they have.
messi really just made a whole league reconsider how they run things
Messi already won more world cup matches than mexico in it's whole history
@@sebastianmalpica3795 How many games have they won an history like 7 I think
It wasn't Messi I knew Mexico would fail once they failed to beat Poland
Mexicans have been knowing about the issues to the league before Messi was even recognized.
You got the wrong Argentine. It was Tata Martino.
ESPN always hating on mls when it has more money and it’s better
Honestly I don't care about the number of foreign players. I care about the youth having chances to play. Bring back the Copa MX and give the youth a chance to play. We've had many solid u17 sides but Mexican teams refuse to play them and loan them out because no one want to pay their price. In saying that if they are gonna just loan them out over and over the force the MX teams sell them to European teams. They deserve it.