Why Faith No More Fired Jim Martin & Whatever Happened to Him?
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- Why Faith No More Fired Jim Martin and whatever happened to the guitarist?
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Best known for his ten year stint in the group Faith No More Jim Martin would be the group’s guitarist from 1983 to 1993.. Faith No More would break up in 1998 and reform in 2009, but strangely enough Martin wasn't a part of the reunion. Why’d he leave the group and what happened to him? Well one of the answers will surprise you and that’s what were going to discuss in today’s video.
Immediately recognizable due to his red trimmed glasses, his bushy beard and long hair, Jim Martin was born in the bay area and spent the early part of his musical career playing in a band called Vicious Hatred, which also featured future metallica bassist Cliff Burton. By 1982 drummer Mike Bordin, keyboardist Roddy Bottum and bassist Billy Gould formed Faith No More, which was named after a greyhound the bandmembers said they had bet on. MTV would report that Cliff Burton urged Martin to audition for the group. Taking his advice he did and got the gig. In their early years group struggled to find a vocalist, instead played gigs using an open mic policy whereby they invited a member of the audience to front the band each night. Not exactly a winning strategy to make it in the music business. One frequent attendee of the band’s early shows was singer Chuck Mosley who performed with the band several times and soon enough he became the group’s frontman.
Mosley’s time fronting the band would last about half a decade seeing the group put out two albums 1985’s We Care a Lot,and 1987’s Introduce Yourself. However Mosley’s volatile behavior and internal conflicts led the group to fire him before the end of the decade. By early 1989 having assembled a majority of the music for their third album, the band held auditions for a replacement finding Mike Patton. Patton at the time was playing in his outfit Mr. Bungle and within a week of getting the job he’d complete the lyrics for their third album the Real Thing.
The Real THing would be the group’s commercial breakthrough producing two hits in Epic and Falling to Pieces and the album went platinum in America selling over a million copies.
The band followed that up with 1992’s Angel Dust a record that would be guitarist Jim Martin’s last with the group. The album would sell about half as many copies as it’s predecessor going gold and marked a change in sound Angel Dust was the first album where Patton had a bigger influence on the music and rumors soon swirled in the music mags that Martin clashed with his bandmates about the title of the album, musical direction and things reportedly got so bad that some of Martin’s guitar parts were stripped from the record (at least that was a rumor for a long time).
Martin would talk to Kerrang in 1992 during the making of the record.
When asked whether Angel Dust was an enjoyable experience he’d rspond
Absolutely not, it's been an unpleasant experience from the very
beginning! It's been very unpleasant, but not really much different to my experiences in making records with Faith No More. It's very difficult to say it all in a short amount of time. "There's certain things
that certain people worry about at certain times, and certain other people choose to play upon it to increase the tension of a given situation until everything's way out of hand."
Angel Dust' would only have one song written by Martin. He wouldn’t attend rehearsals or meetings with the rest of the group opting to have the band send him tapes so he could add his guitar parts later. In all honesty it wasn’t too different from how faith no more recorded their previous records. Once Angel Dust was released in the summer of 1992, If you read a lot of the rock publications who spent time with the band on the road in early to mid 1993 you can see a lot of them writing about the internal tensions between Martin and the rest of the band.
Kerrang would write in their february 1993 issue about faith no more. While vocalist MIKE PATTON was taking an increasingly strong grip on the band's lyrical and musical direction, guitarist and
Excellent job on your vid. Some corrections: 1) Patton wrote all the lyrics and melodies for The Real Thing in 2 weeks (not 1 week). 2) The band didn't send Jim tapes for him to record his guitar parts on, he recorded them at Toast Studios, in San Francisco, where the rest of Angel Dust was recorded by the other band mates. 3) Jim didn't relocate into Castro Valley, he always lived there. 4) I unfortunately, and erroneously, downplayed Jim's guitar playing on Angel Dust in interviews out of pure frustration but the truth of the matter is that he played 100% of all the guitars on the album. I've since recanted my statements, apologiezed to Jim, and continue to set the record straight. 5) For personal reasons pertaining to Jim, the band and I offered to wait to start making Angel Dust but he brushed us off and we thought we were moving forward. Unfortunately, despite moving the rehearsal studio from San Francisco (where the band lived and where I was staying) to Oakland to accommodate Jim (living in Castro Valley), he rarely (possibly never?) showed up for rehearsals and fine tuning the songs for Angel Dust. We were absolutely, 100% prepared when we went in to record The Real Thing and the band and I didn't want to waste money/studio time, wanted to be prepared, when we recorded Angel Dust.
😮 love this info
This should be a pinned comment.👆
Matt - Much respect for coming clean about Jim's guitar playing during Angel Dust. As a lifelong fan, I like others were disappointed when the band decided to fire Jim by fax. While they did not get along especially towards the end, I always felt it was unprofessional to end the relationship after all the success they enjoyed together. This is still an open wound for many fans and probably the reason why the band and Jim did not reunite for the reunion tour. My guess is that Jim made an error in not communicating the distraction he felt due to the death of his father. I also read that Jim preferred to figure out his guitars parts in advance and join the band at the studio for their benefit - perhaps just a quirk on his part or poor communication which they were known for. Somehow an exceptional album was still recorded. Overall, I believe Bill Gould missed his opportunity as the band leader to bring closure for the band, Jim, Chuck, and their fans at the reunion tour.
It's awesome seeing the man,the myth, the legend on here. Matt, thank you for contributing to a part of my (and everyone in the comments) life. Hope 2024 is good for you
You are tooooooooo kind. I'm a man, there are probably myths about me but I'm certainly no legend. Bands and artists can be legends, us behind-the-scenes people are supporting cast. Thanks for the kind words, though.@@SixStringFiasco
The Real Thing and Angel Dust are pure masterpieces. FNM sound simply wasn't the same after Jim's departure
I agree he helped make the band weird good vs just weird. He added the right edge to them and keep them a little more grounded and organic sounding
I agree. His guitar approach made the compositions appeal to a bigger, hard rock audience. He probably left at a good time all things considered. He made his mark and FNM eventually fell off not long after he was gone. They tried out Geordie from Killing Joke and Justin Broderick (Godflesh) to replace Jim which would've been interesting.
Agreed. These two are the best.
Call me pedantic but Epic is a song and Angel Dust is an album, are you suggesting that only the song epic is a masterpiece or do you think the album, "The Real Thing" is called Epic?
@@Ridd333 Higher than a hippie in a helicopter. Fixed! 😆
Jim is the best guitarist FNM will ever have. I hope he see's these comments and see all the love! What a legend. Much love brother Jim!
Jim definitely grows the biggest pumpkins of anyone in the band.
I’ll give him that.
He's a legendary character, a legendary guitar sound, a legendary pumpkin grower. The cool thing was he never went crying to the press about Patton which he could have easily done. Big Sick Ugly Jim Martin, a legend.
He also had the best line in the second Bill and Ted movie!
This guy was at every metal show in San Jose in the 90's. I met him several times and shook his hand a few times too. He actually got me to listen to FNM because of how cool he was.
He would hang at Apple Jack's in LA Honda quite a bit too.
You also saw him at loads of WWF and ECW shows.
well fuck me! looks like I'm wearing the JEALOUS pants, cause thats pretty fuckin awesome! he has a very magical way with a guitar! in One of many other parallel universe's he is still in Faith No More. "the sound was mezmerizing". where for art thou "JizzLobber"😇💫
@@davidhunt1350 yeah he was always really cool
If ya want i can tell ya story about him that will make your jealousy pants inflate
@@CoinSlotKitty yes please, 😌👍👌
I was Jim's guitar tech for the first six or so months of The Real Thing touring cycle. Very fun guy to work for.
Sounds like am awesome gig!
You should have been in one of the old Budweiser " Real American Hero's" commercials.
" WE SALUTE YOU, MR. KEEPING JIM MARTIN'S AWESOME GUITAR TONE UP AND RUNNING MAN"
In all seriousness that sounds like such a cool opportunity, something to be proud of, and I imagine being able to watch Jim kick ass every night didnt suck..
That’s awesome! Did he shit can you though? No shame if so. A Tech can be a really personal thing sometimes & you gotta dig each other on a personal level.
No you weren't.👎👎🤣
@@saltpeter7429 more like Them should be in one of the new Budweiser ads with Dylan Mulvaney
I remember getting Angel Dust without first hearing any songs based solely off how much I enjoyed The Real Thing. By "Smaller and Smaller", I remember wondering if I made a mistake. But honestly, it's one of those albums that grows on you with each listen and is by far my favourite FNM album. It's just brilliant from start to finish.
Same here. "Midlife Crisis" was the only track I listened to on that album. It took years for Angel Dust to grow on me. I can't say as much for their last release though.
Yes. Angel Dust is one of the best rock albums ever released in my opinion.
Agreed. And the album still sounds as great 30 years later
@@jonjons1 Yeah it really holds up and doesn’t sound dated. That said, I rarely listen to contemporary metal so I’m probably not the best to be making that call.
@@OldAussieAds Angel Dust and AIC Dirt are the two albums I still regularly listen to from that era. I still hear something new every time I listen. Modern music is dying a slow death, along with most other art. Being taken over by computers.
I once met Jim at Rock City, Nottingham in the early '90's, he was a good guy, easy to talk to, down to earth and very knowledgeable about music in general, a nice guy, I wish him well in all he does.
I was at that gig. I saw them at Reading the same year (1990, I think?). They were a great live act. Rock City was a brilliant venue. I saw loads of fantastic bands there back then & like you said, many of them were more than happy to have a can of Red Stripe with fans after their gigs.
I was at all gigs mentioned.
One thing I will say about him is. He’s. Great guy …
Faith No More was not named after "a greyhound they bet on". The original name was Faith No Man, and a friend of Billy the bass player suggested Faith No More.
There’s truth to both claims actually. But you are right about Faith No More being a derivative of Faith No Man. The greyhound bit played a part before that change took place, if I’m not mistaken. I read it not too long ago, but can’t remember every detail.
The band was pretty well known for making up stories about the genesis of their name - the greyhound story being one of them. The most likely explanation is when the singer from their Faith No Man days left, they changed their name to Faith No More because "the Man" was "No More."
Love Big Jim! His character and guitar skills are epic!
Jim was a massive influence on my early years of becoming a musician. It's saddening to see how he was treated and eye opening about how personally it was to deal with him. At the same time I can't say I wouldn't have acted just like Jim. Incredible talent and complexity underrated. I for one think Jim's work will forever stand the test of time........STATION!
Station!
His guitar tone in FNM has been irreplaceable. Was awesome to watch live too.
I always was impressed by his ability to come up with a guitar track to a basic rap track. It's not the same as having a chord chart to follow along with that has multiple chord changes. It takes a lot of creativity to fill a song with guitar tracks that have whole verses that boil down to one chord like some of their songs.
He was cool enough to be in Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, iconic look. His guitar work was fantastic, lead harmonies, riffs, songwriting all stellar. Best wishes to him.
Always remember the church of faith no more ❤
@@MrBeauChat praise be the rock
@@tomstruct Station!!! 🎸🤘
Hell Yeah
Poor Jim. He was part of one of the most innovative bands and part of what may be one of the best progressive rock albums ever, I even think it's one of the best albums ever all stop. I don't think he really did gel with the rest of the band. As an 11 year old who'd just discovered his love for heavy music and hadn't yet purchased And Justice for All, the guitar part in Epic was what drew me in and my favorite track off the album was "Surprise! You're Dead!". By the time Angeldust came out I'd broadened my horizons, so I loved the entire thing, but still really really loved what is likely the band's heaviest song "Jizzlobber", which is a monster of a track. While not "brootal" by today's standards it still has enough bite to put most other songs to shame. Jim was just in the wrong band really. I mean calling Angeldust a "gay disco" is a little rough. I think his ideas were probably mostly ignored. He probably just wanted to rock out and write heavy guitar parts, not create an album that was at the very least 15 years ahead of the curve. Seriously I can't say enough good things about that album.
Jim was really the perfect guitarist for them (9 years strong), he was just dealing with the death of his father and on-top of that couldn't deal well with the media attention during the recording. Even after he was fired none of the internal issues fully got settled; They were imploding and considered quitting during and after the King for a Day album.
@@Splattermelt I mean, they are a very rhythm driven band. Drums and bass and keys for melody. Pretty sure Bottom or Gould stated that guitar did not matter that much in FNM.
I think "Angel Dust" was definitely their finest moment. (Jim did a pretty good job playing the guitar on that record despite having a different vision than the band did for their direction in terms of sound)
I don’t know, as much as I love Patton and the rest of the band…They were probably arseholes if you didn’t fit in to their world and what they wanted you to do. They definitely undervalued Jim’ contributions. I like the following albums, but none of them hold a candle to TRT or AD.
@@lockyp204Mike Bordin did “The Trap Set” podcast with Joe Wong and it’s a really good time
Jim Martin absolutely rocks. He has some mean riffs.
Mostly not his, though
Awesome tone too
Most (not all) of those riffs were written by Bill Gould. In fact, Bill played guitar on Another Body Murder from the Judgment Night soundtrack along with a few others when Jim wasn't present or had already left the band. That's why they thought Dean Menta would be a good fit because he was Jim's guitar tech.
He's awesome
Imagine FNM with Cliff Burton on bass and a FNM version of For Whom The Bell Tolls
Jim Martin Appreciation Thread! LETS GO BIG JIM
Nobody remembers those guys now..
Yes. He grows spectacular pumpkins
Check out Milk and Blood. It's not a bad album. Some good heavy riffs.
@@russfoulkes5490 I was just gonna say this.
I can’t see Mike Bordin joining in
Faith No More really never was the same without Martin. Angel Dust was a great exit for him. It was the pinnacle of the group’s journey.
I don't know, I really enjoyed King For a Day, Fool For a Lifetime.
@@red.5475 yeah King was good, but there was a big Jim Martin shaped hole by the time they got to Album of the Year.
@@DystopianJoe AOTY is still a great record. It's my second least favourite but I still love it. I would actually call it a Trey shaped hole. FNM's shit is fucking amazing compared to most bands..
Agreed, Jim's guitar was integral to the band's sound. The stand-ins were ok but it always felt like they were lacking some magic ingredient... FNM's loss was the pumpkin farming enthusiasts gain however
@@arthurdent6828 just imagine that Jim Martin guitar chug on Stripsearch and Ashes though
I always associate Faith No More's guitar sound with Jim Martin.
He is so cool!! and a cameo in Bill and Ted 🖤
*STATION!*
@@Skorpio420 Station
Such a badass guitar tone. The riff at the end of zombie eaters
Straight up man. That tone was otherworldly. Zombie Eaters is unreal. And Surprise! You’re Dead just has some of my favorite guitar work ever. And the big resonating chords in Falling To Pieces. Such a phenomenal player, man.
Angel dust is one of the best rock albums ever imo
And now, after 30 years, I realize why Martin was my favorite. 💜
The man's enjoying his family life and his passions, nothing but respect.
That Kerrang cover: Mr. Big, Deicide, and Therapy?. What a lineup
Man! RN'RTS must have read my mind, I've been on a Jim Martin kick lately listening to a lot of his stuff. Yea, there isn't a lot of recent interviews and stuff with Jim, truly an underrated and under appreciated Guitarist. I'd love to see and hear more from him.
Incredible guitar player. Definitely huge part of their sound. Runs a gun shop in home town. Oh, and, STATION!
Forgot about him being in Bill and Ted Bogus Journey!!!!
STATION!!!
STATION
STAAAAAATIOOOON
STATION!!!
Jim has been missed by everyone out there with a taste for the raw strenght he delivered... Long live Jim Martin!..!
Honestly the main issues seemed to be between Martin, Gould, and Patton. I remember hearing that apparently Gould reached out to Martin for the reunion, but he made some kinda joke/reference about being kicked out, Gould felt that was weird and subsequently uninvited him. Patton always runs his mouth even if he loves whoever it is he’s talking about, but that seemed to cause tension between him and Martin. I honestly think the biggest factor was the fact that Martin’s dad died right before Angel Dust started production. Martin became incredibly withdrawn and didn’t even tell the other members until way later. I can’t remember the interview I read that in, but yeah apparently when they found out they were like “shit we wish you told us sooner” but at that point there was too much of a rift between them so it kinda had to happen.
Yeah. It was conflict inside the band. Musical differences, also. Gould also said that Jim "was a real contentious person in the band, but I loved him…" when talking about the reunion... I understand that as "he had opinions and wouldn't shut up."
Just imagine the flammable discussions between Gould, Bottum, Martin and Patton lol
@@redacted2275 Those guys are philosophically (and probably politically) on opposite ends of the spectrum. It wasn't Gould that said that he loved Big Jim, it was Roddy. Neither Gould or Bordin was exactly thrilled with the idea of reuniting with Jim Martin.
Bands are always full of fights and discord. It's a miracle that a band can stay together long enough to last a couple albums.
Timothy B Schmidt said something like every band I’ve ever been in was two weeks away from breaking up
@@prd004.2 I believe it!
I think Patton was the main reason for this. Good as Mike Patton was for the band he ran one of the best parts of the band out.
They hated each other. Jim treated Patton like a kid and not a serious musician. But from what I understand, Billy Gould is the one that has always stirred everything up between members. Could be wrong, but that’s the rumor.
@@eddthewordsmith I could see that. But honestly Patton acted immature and didn't take anything seriously at that point especially. Just being real.
He was definitely their best guitarist but to me FNM is really all about Puff and Gould. Laying down solid rhythm is really what set these guys apart and what influenced the later 90s bands.
I whole heartedly agree. No disrespect to Trey or even Lurch (John Hudson) but Jim had a great iconic sound that meshed so well with Bordin n Goulds heavy groovy sound.
I think he was in the wrong band and I don't think they listened to much of his input. Angeldust is one of the best progressive rock albums ever, but I get the feeling he would have preferred more Jizzlobber and less RV or Be Aggressive. I can't say that I'd want an entire album of Jizzlobber type tracks because you'd just miss out on so much variety, but it is maybe my favorite song from it, so I do wish they would have let him loose on a few more songs. The guitar tone he got on it is incredible. Coupled with the errie keyboards and Patton's ludicrous vocal range that song just punches you in the face.
I ABSOLUTLEY LOVE JIZZLOBBER!!! What A FUCKING JAM!!!
Later 90’s bands? Do you think Korn’s debut album sound was influenced by Angel Dust? I think Korn wouldn’t ever have sounded that way without it.
@@WhyTheHorseface Definitely, I always thought Jon David got half his style from Midlife Crisis alone (as well as the crazier vocal stuff Mike likes to do live)
Angel Dust is not only FNMs best album but one of the best albums I've ever heard, pity Jim had to go as he was part of the iconic line up and brung a real "Metal Edge" to the music.
Agreed !!👌
The bloke is so under rated, especially for what he put in to make FNM what it became.
His look alone is iconic and I remember as a kid when Epic came out, id be looking in magazines and the guy with the red glasses would have me going back to read the article.
If you’re a wrestling fan as well there was an ECW fan that copied his look
@@JoelChavez6121 I think Jim Martin would have made a great wrestling character.
You forgot that he joined Infectious Grooves, which is a major oversight on your part.
The Real Thing was such a different album than what me and my social circle were listening to at the time. In '89, it was all about the hair metal bands. Then this funky ass record dropped and my and my band mates were blown away by it. Falling To Pieces still is one of my favorites to play on guitar.
As a huge FNM fan, I always thought it was unfortunate Jim & the rest of the band couldn't reconcile. His playing was such an integral part of their sound. PS: No mention of courteney love being their singer briefly before Chuck joined?
@@deconstruction3397 He did play all of the guitar parts. That he didn't was a rumor started by Matt Wallace that people still repeat despite Wallace apologizing for it. Jim didn't write as much on this album as he did previously, however he came up with the music for Kindergarten & Jizzlobber.
I saw them at the Cambridge Corn Exchange in Nov 92 on the Angel Dust tour, we met Jim in the pub next door. He was happier in there, with a pint of beer, chatting with us for an hour or two about sports, guitars,... anything other than FNM and we respected that. Lovely bloke. But we weren't surprised that he left the band after that tour, it felt like he'd already checked out as we just chatted.
I saw Faith No More perform in Bradford Yorkshire, a few days before their incredible recording at Brixton. They were incredible.
Another great FNM video! I loved the way Jim's locomotive riffs would play off Roddy's ethereal keys...such absolutely inspiring soundscapes
Gould wrote those riffs & showed them to Jim. That’s been verified by everyone in the studio except Jim.
Saw him at the Whisky with the original Infectious Grooves lineup. Great show!
He was never there pal.
I was at Brixton academy for the live dvd
I got to see him play with Fang in a small Warehouse show in Benicia California. It was awesome
Another great video. I'm loving the throwback explanation videos.
My love for the Flying V started when I saw Epic premiere on MTV.
Still wonder what bridge he used on that
Best album: Introduce Yourself.
(It's a 'The Bends' / 'Ride The Lightning' type thing)
That album never gets the love it truly deserves.
Wish he'd get up on stage with them again. Angel Dust wasn't a guitar driven album but what he played was masterful. Smaller and Smaller was so epic!
From what I recall, Jim Martin didn't like the direction FNM was going on with 'Angel Dust'.
And they did the classy early 90's thing of firing him by Fax.
Big Jim’s school band project was with Cliff Burton, they even played a Metallica riff way before it was on any album.
I literally have been looking this up on UA-cam and Google the last 3 days stuff about Jim and why he left the band.. I look it up just now and see that 10 minutes ago this video is uploaded.. surrealism at work lol
This is a sign that things are right with you in life. Signs and symbols are for the conscious mind. Synchronicity at its best!!!
The thing that i know about Fatso is that he's retires from FNM after dad's death, and began a farmer life in Maxwell Ranch (The final place from our beloved Cliff Burton).
Fatso plays in "Garage Inc" and the 30 anniversary shows from Metallica.
Gotta love Big Jim wearing a Fear Factory shirt.....
Great research here! I love FNM and Martin.. FNM last two albums in the late 90s took me a while to adjust to, but I ended up loving them for what they were.
I remember seeing Jim Martin in the crowd at a Primus, Limbomaniacs, and Dot 3 music engagement in 1991 at The Edge in Palo Alto, California. 🤘
Excellent research. Thank you nice job
Jim brought the Band to their highest level ! Together with Mike! When he left the band was done....❤
Jim was a character and that shone through in his guitar playing with FNM. His quirky metal style was a part of their sound as much as Mike Bordin's rhythms were. I was really disappointed when he wasn't part of the reunion. I guess they sensed he still harbored some resentment from the past and decided it wasn't worth it. A grand opportunity missed.
According to them he sent them a contract and they didn’t want any of that for the reunion so they stopped conversations with him.
@@Malum09 In an interview, Roddy, the keyboardist said he made a call to Jim to tell him about the reunion tour and asked if he was interested. Jim said yes and didn't even have a problem playing songs they made after he left. As the conversation ended, Jim made a remark about sending the contract to his fax machine. Roddy interpreted this snide remark as a negative because that was the way FNM fired him. Based on that 1 phone call, they decided not to go with Jim. I think the band was still insecure about the reunion and bringing in a character like Martin made that even more questionable.
Even tho Album Of The Year was one of FNM’s best albums the band was never the same without him. The older I get the more I appreciate Chuck Moseley era as well. So many great records even though the band is constantly changing key members that would kill most others
So you e just destroyed your own point
Angel Dust, The Real Thing and King for a Day were all much better records than Album of the Year .. It's a good record, but no way is it even close to their "Best" record. 😂
only fnm album worse than album of the year is sol invictus
@@Fiveash-Art people have their opinions, the records of fnm that I play the most would go angeldust, album of the year, king for a day, in that order.
@@RyanMcCarvill People have their opinions? Really? 👍🏻
Thanks for another interesting and informative video
This was so good! I love hearing about them!!!
GNR, TOOL and Faith No More are my favorite bands!!
"Be Aggressive, Be, Be Aggressive, A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E" Love that song. Angel Dust is easily one my favorite Faith No More albums
It's always been hilarious to me that they managed to get away with a metal song about giving submissive oral sex to a guy and include chanting cheerleaders on it. In 1992. I'm not surprised if that made Jim uncomfortable back then. Such a special band, so far ahead of their time.
I have always wondered how they managed to do that. But the kids are just saying be aggressive and go fight win. That's how they did it.
Made it out to be something it isn't.
I'm sure the kids that did it are proud!
Dude, Jim is awesome!! Dude rocked FNM, and it sucks he left.
Thank you. First time I got to hear Jim's take on the producer and what went on in the studio.
I've heard other members complain about what Matt Wallace was doing in the studio on the Angel Dust sessions too. It's telling that they didn't work with him on the next one.
FNM was an absolute powerhouse, right up until the moment Jim Martin departed
Faith No More is without a doubt one of my all time favorite bands. I can tell their influence on other bands that also became my favorites. I think they left a lot of good shit on the table with TRT and AD lineup, but egos can get the best of anybody.
no, the name 'faith no more' came from 'faith no man' the previous name, how would you get this wrong?
To Me, There is No Faith No More Without Big Jim Martin!🤘🏻🔥🔥🔥
Martin carried We Care A Lot and Introduce Yourself. His guitar work was (no pun intended) epic. TRT was probably the most perfect album I've ever heard. I've bought it like 5 or 6 times across different media. AD was incredible, but it took me years to like all of it... still not sure if I do. After Martin left, I pretty much did too. It never sounded the same. His style definitely was defining for the group.
The Real Thing is good, just wish they had trimmed the fat and added Sweet Emotion and The Cowboy Song on it instead of Underwater Love or Woodpecker lol.
Someone may have already said it here, but Jim was the one that found Mike on Mr. Bugle!
What would King For a Day have been like, with Jim from '95?
I would like to see some UA-cam channel doing the whole album!
There's a Behind The Board episode with Matt Wallace discussing Real Thing. A fun listen is you're into the recording stuff.
Is it me or does Patton has a way of taking over bands? The situation seems similar with Dead Cross. He stepped in and did the vocals on the finished first album and it was great. The second album seemed like he had a ton of his influence. To me, it was a different animal. Not bad, just notably different, like it's very much a Patton record.
Jim Martin was such a huge part of FNM. He really gave them an edge they never had since. His riffery is on par with James Hetfield, and somewhat similar in feel. They both do some great syncopated stuff I really love, and create some of the biggest riffs ever.
I remember reading about the Guns N Rose's tour that FNM opened on, I think it might have been in Duff or Slash's book, about how Mike Patton would take the stage and run his mouth about how lame Guns N Rose's were. I dont care if people agree with him nor not, it was EXTREMELY rude and unappreciative. I read that Jim Martin and some of the Guns guys had to approach him a few times and say " If we are so lame, why did you take the tour? Tone it down or your off the tour".
Apparently that had no effect and they were kicked off.
That story helps me empathize with Jim Martin. A lot of bullshit to deal with.( I dont think he was fixated on being the trendy " too cool for school" kid, he wanted to play heavy guitar and have fun.)
I like Mike Patton in Mr Bungle but not as much with FNM for some reason
@@leosuniverseHuh? Guns N Roses set you up to be raped?
@@masterknife8423Yep. Chuck was better. It's a shame he couldn't get his shit together.
@@solearesoul Yes, a guy from their camp. Another guy that was part of gnr song writing was tied to another perp that harmed me weeks later. But everyone up in here has issues. Mike was force kissing fan guys face an other conduct. Everyone oked this stuff. No sympathy for us in this buisness,. Everyone has been a mega socio bully to me. Just because of this stuff. I was with the Alice coopers camp starting a kid. They are pedos.
Angel Dust is one of the finest albums ever made, period.
Jim's guitar playing without a doubt with a strong part of the real thing an angel dust absolutely fantastic albums and still still carry the weight today
dude doesn’t miss a fucking note ever he is Top Tier Best o The Best guitar players ever. His skill level is completely through the roof.
R.i.p Chuck ❤
I saw Faith No More in 1990 at the Trocadero in Philadelphia. Mike Patton was dancing around on stage and spinning around with the mic stand in his hands. He came within literal inches of hitting Martin in the eye with one of the legs of the mic stand. Like, it caught Martin's hair as it went by. If looks could kill, Mike Patton would've died right there, on the spot. Even from as far away as I was I could see him staring daggers at Patton.
So basically he didn't like Mike Patton that much
@@masterknife8423 more like Patton wanted Spruance in the band and fuck Jim.
Angel Dust is not just the pinnacle of the band’s work, but I consider it one of the best hard rock albums of all time. It’s really a masterpiece.
JIM MARTIN, was for ,FAITH-NO-MORE exactly what SLASH is FOR, GUNS-'N'-ROSES. the perfect sound!
There is a lengthy documentary on the making of Angle dust. It’s pretty clear in it that his and their musical interests and directions were totally at odds and that Jim HATED what they were they were headed musically. I think he said he wanted to be a straight forward metal band and not make this “weird shit”. I think his leaving was inevitable but the tension and disagreement resulted in something pretty awesome
Jim's departure at the time was my first huge band disappointment (didn't get into Jane's until a year after they broke up). But King was good, and sounds like the band could not continue as it was. Rock on, Jim!
Jim Martin didn’t like that the band was becoming a “disco” band, as he described it (to which Patton responded “we absolutely want to be a disco band). You could see the tension was high between him and other members in those interviews. It’s a shame that they couldn’t reconcile their differences, because Jim added colorful character to the group, and they were never the same after he left and took his signature style with him.
I am a huge FNM fan and love all their albums, including with Chuck Moseley but Mike Patton is a legend and i listen to all his other bands as well
When faith no mores the real thing came out I knew they were a stellar band.
On that tour I saw them at toads place in Connecticut with circus of power.
We arrived early in the morning to get up front.
I saw jim Martin walk out of the venue and go walking.
I followed behind him and said Jim can I have your autograph.
He said sure and signed my hat and shirt.
He did and then I asked nervously would you like to smoke a joint.
He said he'll yeah.
So in a dirty alley down the block from the venue we smoked.
After that I was so high and Jim says I need ice cream.
So we head out to the street and look for ice cream.
We find a Hagen das store.
We munched hard on ice cream I brought.
We headed back to toads place and he signed all of my friends paper flyers CDs you name it.
He was cool and super nice.
That concert was the best concerts I have ever seen in my life.
This guy could be a stunt double in a Cheech an Chong movie. Oh and he can also be a awesome guitarist in anyone's band.
I have to say, angel dust is probably my favorite album. I do like a great many songs on the real thing but it just seemed a little under polished especially vocally with Patton and musically too. Angel dust did just that and going through the issues I was at that time man that was my go to album to let my anger frustration pain all of it out. It cut deep but helped so much putting that album on almost religiously and blasting the sound as I slam danced around so many days thrashing my condo to let it all out. I was saddened though to see Martin leave after angel dust and that’s when myself I knew it wouldn’t be the same.
It does change the vibe on the riff and guitar parts of King For A Day Fool For A Lifetime. Martin is that good, and was felt in this album..his absence
Hey, wanted to say congratulations for dropping the word "so" between every other sentence!
I know it was probably a hard habit to break, but it was worth the effort. Keep up the good work
Rufus brought him to the future, he got stuck there when Dinomolos sent bad robots Bill & Ted back to the past
basically, he left because he wanted to spend more time on the albums and the label wanted to hurry it along. the rest of the band was okay with it, he wasn't.
Great video.
Does anybody remember his cameo in BILL & TED’S BOGUS JOURNY? Staaaation!!!!
the big irony is despite his demeanor as the meathead metal guy, he was by far the weirdest person in the band musically
I saw a FNM video of on outdoor venue where a fan threw a piss jug on stage and Jim poured it on his head. Immediately after dozens of more piss jugs were thrown to the stage.
Weird? You mean dumb.
He was the dumbest guy in the band by a mile.
And lazy.
Jim had his limitations as a guitarist but limitations are what give you a sound and make a band unique. What a monster heavy player and I always loved his look
Saw him in the pub in Brixton before a faith no more gig, I said to him how you going to top Angel dust? ,but I suppose he didn't get the chance to! Wished I bought him a drink at the time! Angel dust great album !
I absolutely love angel dust!! I love the real thing as well. But man Angel dust was pure gold! Never knew this much turmoil went down in the making. Mike Patton you’re a musical genius! Jim was a big reason for how awesome those two records were!
They didn't fire him he left
The band wanted it all but couldn't have it
Surprise Your Dead is a masterpiece
Angel dust is When Faith No More got ridiculously awesome
I saw them live in 1992 at roskilde festival with him great show
I always enjoyed his playing. It had a really strong influence from 70s arena rock. Faith No More was always a band of eclectic influences. And Martin's involvement in early Metallica lore was always an interesting aspect of his story.
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