Are any of these bands correct about Pearl Jam? ALSO here's my in-depth video about Pearl Jam's feud with Ticketmaster ua-cam.com/video/Hml5FHp5ouM/v-deo.html
Kurt wanted to be #1, but not be considered a sellout. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you reach the top, you become part of the machine whether you like it or not.
I get what you’re saying, but he made the same music whether he had millions of fans or no fans. So that’s a little different than being a “sellout”. That would imply making popular music on purpose.
I mean… the entire history of recorded music, especially in America, has always had a lot of bad publicity at best or being outright racist at worst. It’s just easier to access all the discourse or become a part of it since we have the internet
@@davidstrickler5362 Depends on your priorities. I dont think that it's fair to say that everyone works their asses off only to make money and be famous. At least I hope not.
I love a lot of the music from this era but I always hated their anti- establishment gimmicks. Most of them signed with multi-million dollar major labels. At that point, they were NOT “bands of the underground ” even though they still pretended to be.
Lol yeah, I remember that whole fad where internationally successful bands considered themselves "too good" to be mainstream. That's the whole reason they started calling rock bands "alternative."
Loved Pearl Jam and that era of music. Looking back on it, I think the whole "Us Against the Corporate Greed" was gimmicky. Vedder tried hard to look anti-establishment but profited plenty off of it. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it but you can't have both extreme modalities. His (and Aments) kicking out of Dave A right after this period of time, would ultimately hurt the bands legacy in my mind. They made a couple good albums with Irons but I think they suffered in quality and rawness after vitalogy. After 94 Pearl Jam became Veddars band.
Just because they had to play the game to a certain degree due to their fame doesn’t mean they believed in the game, capitalist mega corporations are the antithesis of what art and music should be and I think they know that.
Eddie vedder went over his head with that one. A war the band lost before it even started. He sold out ever since that debacle. illuminati symbols appeared in almost all of their albums following Vitalogy Kinda saved his life to be honest as he is only the frontman of the top 5 grudge band that is still alive. Kurt, Layne, Andy, and Chris C are all gone except for Eddie. Ironic, that he isnt even from Seattle
Mid 20s means you already had Warrant Whitesnake Winger and Vixen posters on your wall before Nirvana hit. You were already too old. Nothing wrong with that, just dont pretend it was your scene.
I love how Crue talked shit about originality when they were just like every other hair metal band of the 80s, then tried to get on the Nu Metal train and flopped out hard haha
Crue was the originators. There was two camps of hair metal. Van Halen wannabes and Motley Crue wannabes. They made their mistake when they fired Vince Neal and tried to be grunge with that self-titled album.
Motley Crue was the band the made hair metal mainstream; though they came from the scene while it was still underground. I like their top hits but never got into anything else by them.
I always found them a bit overrated and overhyped. Eddie’s garbled, incoherent vocals can be annoyingly flat at times. And the music itself was a just eh. But the songwriting and lyrics are what really make them stand out. They had some great songs that told some really interesting stories from different perspectives. For that I can appreciate them.
Songwriting IS the music but the music is eh and the songwriting is what really makes them stand out? You sound like a confused chatgpt answer trying to sound like a music critic
My thoughts exactly. His voice just bothers the hell out of me and then you had the countless other singers from that era that had that same voice. Everything else is there for me with the music and lyrics, but that voice. I’m a huge Rush fan too and I know Geddy’s voice is what keeps a lot of people from being fans of them.
For me it was Nirvana, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Smashing Pumpkins in no particular order. I loved the other bands too but I just liked the sonic mood of those bands most
Same, but PJ is right up there for me and Blind Melon as well. There's something about all the blind melon albums that just stabs my soul every time even 30 years later...
@@hardboiledfrog Blind melon was a fine band, same with mother lovebone, both favorites of mine along with sound garden & alice in chains. I wasn't a huge nirvana fan, but their debut album was bad ass.
Talent: Corgan > Vedder and it’s not close The depth and originality of the Pumpkins catalog is miles more original than PJ as well. To each their own for musical taste.
@@BloodNAshez From a lyrical standpoint, Smashing Pumpkins were pretty mediocre. Their best was Landslide, but they didn't write it. Vedder wrote much better lyrics. From a musical standpoint, Smashing Pumpkins had a few great songs, but not that many. I'd say they had more standout tracks than Pearl Jam amidst a lot of good but not great songs. They are pretty overrated.
@@Batman12810as a person that grew up in the 80s and 90s, I can still listen to smashing pumpkins but there's something childishly nihilistic about Cobain. Have I outgrown Nirvana? i used to like courtney Love's one good album cobain probably co wrote anonymously because she couldnt repeat it or get the same type of song anymore. It was a great 1990s album but again it just seems childishly nihilistic now. I just hear two brats singing.
@Jerry_Gallo Revisionist History. SP's top selling albums went 4X platinum. While PJ's Ten went 8X Platinum, and Vs went 7X platinum, despite Siamese Dream and Vs releasing the same year.
my first CD was pearl jam's binaural. I got that for my 7th birthday and it changed my life. I'm 32 now and still play guitar and love that record. I feel like I would have never gotten into music or found the self-expressionand music as an outlet because of that CD.
PJ was a blues/rock band. Nirvana was a punk band. I can’t understand the umbrella of grunge, probably the stupidest genre name of all time. Lots of good music came out from all over the place then, unfortunately the record business had to package and market it as one genre.
"Grunge" was absolutely a marketing term created by record companies and the mainstream media. None of the "big four" bands of the grunge era sound anything alike so grunge obviously isn't a sound.
I was in College when "Nevermind" blew up. It was exciting at first, being a big fan of punk and alternative for many years, but got boring, trite, and derivative after a few years. Mtv had a huge part to play in the oversaturation, just like they did with metal in the 80s. Now, we're stuck with the Foo Fighters.
Anything that’s any good will stagnant and get derivative, even if it’s not marketable music. I like a lot of death metal and even in that genre, once the OG bands established themselves it became a wash of copycat bands. I think it’s just the nature of things. Something new and fresh comes along, people copy it, it gets stale, then folks move on to the next thing or a band redefines a once tired genre. The 90’s Seattle scene was killer while it lasted though.
I was honestly surprised Nirvana got so big, because to me they just sounded like a million punk and pop-punk bands I'd heard a million times before. A couple years later I felt the same way about Green Day. The music marketing machine works. Whatever is promoted the most has a remarkably good chance of "amazingly" becoming the most popular thing around.
@@shreddiekrueger359 jeeezus... death metal... 35 years later and a million bands are still just copying Chuck Shuldiner riffs ad nauseum. I really enjoyed some of the OG's of that genre, but it got old pretty fast.
I remember seeing a Pearl Jam interview early on when 10 had just come out and Eddie was all smiley and normal. Next thing you know (after success), he's all grim and serious. I began turning off soon after this fake personality.
I would not consider it a fake personality since I don't know him personally, but it may have been a reaction to becoming famous and commercially successful subsequently people became focused primarily on him and his life rather than focusing on the music itself.
Dude's a Capricorn-many of us have a very serious and intense side, but most of us also have a goofy and playful side too. We're complex, deep, and a bit extremist.
Pearl Jam definitely have a better catalog but Corgan probably has enough to go toe to toe with PJ’s first two albums. SP would still lose but PJ’s first two albums are better than most bands greatest hits. STP have three great albums too. Hate how everybody disrespects them.
I love this rewriting of history thing that you guys do with the Pumpkins. All because you don't like Billy's opinions. I'm sorry but tons of people prefer The Smashing Pumpkins to Pearl Jam (and vice versa), they were both huge bands. You prefer Pearl Jam, I prefer Smashing Pumpkins, music is subjective. Such a dumb argument...
The very early interviews with Eddie Vedder tell it like it is: Before "Ten" went all platinum, he was bouncing off the walls, all energetic and blabbering 100 MPH. Right after "Ten" blew up...... meet "Eddie Vedder; The Tortured Soul", mumbling softly, always pretending to have a migraine, and just wanting a cup of tea and some privacy.
Eddie was the board caddie for Kelly Slater at Pipeline. Kelly broke his board and Eddie gave him the spare and paddled in. There were pros that wouldn't do that job it was so gnarly.
I think you summed it up perfectly, these guys all had their heads in the clouds and were trying so hard to downplay their massive ego's and seem humble.
I never understood the whole hipster thing of hating anything cool, just like Slipknot hating what they've created. - Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, temple of the dog were all number ones and its pathetic to think you gotta stick with one to compete
@@Treacherous_One Its time to get a life kid because the world doesnt revolve around your consciousness ... and if your still butt hurt about it theres Grindr
@@BloodNAshez Not at all. Mark Arm used the term "grunge" to describe his bands music in the early 80s, a band that didn't even exist yet, and a Subpop producer used the term in late 80s to describe 3 new bands they had signed, one being Nirvana.
I am still a big PJ fan to some degree, but I've realised over the last few years that it's more 90s nostalgia keeping me interested in them. Eddie Vedder's I-want-to-be-humble schtick, whilst being a millionaire thing is annoying to me. He was once Ticketmaster's biggest critic, and yet Ticketmaster now promote PJ (for the usual insane ticket prices). Well, they did here in Ireland. Also the way he was essentially two-faced with Dave Abbruzzese has always galled me. He didn't like that DA's ideals didn't match his holier-than-thou own, eventually got him kicked out off the band and when he accidentally ran into Dave later, acted like they were still pals. Leaving DA out of the Rock and Roll HOF Induction was also a pretty shitty thing to do. Vedder was someone invited to join the remnants of Mother Love Bone, and essentially took them over completely.
This all sounds much ado about nothing. All those bands became rich and wore the same clothes, what are you upset about? Would you have been happier if Eddie started wearing expensive 3 piece suits on stage, I don't get what you want. Surely if he'd switched up to suits, you'd be calling him a sellout. Also, Eddie became the principal song writer, that gives you a directing voice in the band, so it's also a really weird thing to say he just came and took over, what expectation did you have? That he should've become a demure entity in the background as front man? And not for nothing but I don't recall that the rest of the band missed Dave that much. From what I remember, Dave was kind of a strange guy and did not gel well with everyone else and had a weird lifestyle and nobody missed him. Not even enough to reunite with him for any reason at all, the general consensus was that they were glad to see him go. Seems like you haven't entertained the thought that it was more a Dave issue and not an Eddie issue. This all kind of sounds like a you problem, like you're making arbitrary reasons up to dislike Eddie. I personally don't think of the band for the personalities, I have always been more reflective of the music and lyrical content. And to that, I appreciate Pearl jam for writing impactful and thoughtful songs.
Abbruzzese is by pretty much all accounts a total piece of work. There's a reason why he never latched onto any meaningful band after Pearl Jam. I would not use him as an example of condemning Vedder.
Bro I used to LOVE Eddie Vedder and Pearl jam when I was younger and it's amazing to realize how naive I was back then to buy into his "act". When I watch old interviews with him it just oozes pretentiousness. So much so that I'm embarrassed I couldn't see right through it as a teenager. Like how dumb are people when they're young?? I must've been SO stupid back then lmao I think today's generation isn't at naive like we were. Hmm maybe being naive is a good thing in some regards? I don't know. Different topic for another day lol but yeah I think Vedder is such a PHONY and anyone with eyes and ears can see that. Maybe he's different now but back in their prime... Pfft that dude was fake AF!! Cobain was the genuine article. Corgan might be a little egotistical, but he doesn't lie!
I first saw Pearl Jam when they played that legendary tour they did with Smashing Pumpkins and The Chili Peppers back in 1991 at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. They put on a good show but it didn’t make me wanting more. I thought they were the Bad Company of the 90’s
Ok you can say what you like about PJ or whatever but a very good friend of mine worked in palliative care for children with cancer in a London hospital. He told me that Eddie Vedder would call up quite frequently and ask if the kids were ok and if they needed anything. He'd visit the ward and he'd sort out gifts to be sent to the hospital for kids. He didn't throw it into the media and he genuinely cared.
I think Pearl Jam is the Eddie Vedder show. I remember watching an interview with all of them somewhat recently and they're all clearly walking on eggshells around Eddie. They basically say it used to be all of them, but now Eddie is the main driver of the band, and he doesn't refute it.... which is something I was expecting to hear from egalitarian Eddie. What the rest of them thought about Dave wouldn't have factored into the decision.
Lol, Mötley Crüe has absolutely zero credibility when it comes to the musical talent of the guys in Pearl Jam and any of the other bands labeled grunge. There’s no question that Mötley Crüe was successful, but it wasn’t for musical abilities, but rather a superficial, generic party image.
Pearl Jam is the lamest of all the grundge bands. So boring and generic. Motely Crue was cheesy but at least they had songs that didn't bore you to tears, or make you want to slit your wrists... Mick Mars could play circles around any of Pearl Jams guitarists. Tommy Lee is a far better drummer than Pearl Jams. But what musical abilities do Pearl Jam have? Eddie Vedder's "stroke" voice sounds great. What is that shlt he does with his vocal approach? It's beyond annoying.
@butchvito Don't know if this comes from a position of ''Oh, I only listened to a couple of their songs and they sucked'' because Pearl Jam's discography is nothing close to boring.
ten was an absolute masterpiece. Unfortunately, Pearl Jam has never released anything decent since. While I don't care for Sixx, he was correct in labeling them as "boring." PJ has become the most pretentious band in the business.
There has always been something about Pearl Jam that didn't sit right with me. I always felt like Eddie Vedder was an arrogant pseudointellectual; half a poser half a genuine talent. I'm willing to say that I might be wrong, but that was my intuition.
What?? Motley Crue didn't die. They still sell out stadiums 40s years later, and they had a netflix movie a few years ago. You must not pay attention very well.
In seeing that Motley Crew still has fans that have their back, Ill remove Motley Crew off my comment. Im not even going to argue that Pearl Jam had bigger audiences last year (& every year) etc. 😝 But Im leaving Sugar Ray on b/c no one can talk me out of my thoughts on saying Sugar Ray being dead.
@whenmusicdidntsuck 😂thanks for updating how u edited the original comment 😂(edit: i didn't see original so comment thread made me feel schizo) props for taking the wind outta my trolling sail 😂
I remember those days ,it was a glorious time for me. I was 20 years old when Nirvana‘s second album came out and Pearl Jam‘s first along with Soundgarden Badmotorfinger right behind them. We’re screaming trees and Alice In Chains. I listen to all the bands back then ,Smashing Pumpkins meat Puppets all the alternative/grunge whatever the hell you want to call it it made no difference to me. It was a great time for music. Keep in mind these musicians were very young at the time without the wisdom or growth in their life , so people say stupid things think certain ways yada yada. To me it was the 60s revolution all over again as far as Pearl Jam. I know a lot of people turned off by the second album because they didn’t like the sound, but I always felt they didn’t care about the mainstream and made music the way they wanted to I’ve always found them a little more alternative and punk, then the rest of the bands Constantly changing their sound from Album to Album ,,perhaps a lot of the bands didn’t like the fact that they were able to expand their sound with success while the other bands were stuck with the same sound from their last album.
Billy Corigan fancies himself a poet. They had one song I loved. Then they release psychotic crap 🎶 rat in a cage! Yada yada. Janes Addiction, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains and many more stand the test of time. That era was a vibe, and we listeners found ourselves in our feels. It was necessary for a change.
@@abrahamesparza01because Eddie is pretentious and preachy. He also bought an island and married a former model like they all do. Nothing wrong with that, except it contradicts everything he previously said. The guy could ignore politics in order to be friends with right-wing, gun-loving nuts the Ramones but lectures his fans at every other show. It gets old after thirty years lol.
I don't agree with what those bands said. I remember when 10 came out---it was far from boring, it made quite an impact. They've always had a sound of their own, and can hardly be described as corporate rock
@@pablodelsegundo9502 Post grunge? You mean Oasis, The Cranberries, Green Day, Garbage, The Offspring, The Smashing Pumpkins? They were all better than anything grunge.
@@TonyMontanaDSI think homie means the grunge inspired bands post grunge, like staind and nickleback, tho ig filter and bush can kinda be considered post grunge in that sense too but idkk genre labels be muddy sumtimes
Billy Corgan was dating Courtney Love and she left to be with Kurt, before Kurt's death there was a love triangle including Trent Reznor, then Billy wrote "Live Through This". The Downward Spiral from NIN that same year had 5 songs about Courtney, March of the Pigs, Piggy, Ruiner, Reptile..."She spreads herself wide open to let the insects in / She leaves a trail of honey to show me where she's been / She has the blood of reptile just underneath her skin/ seeds from a thousand others drip down from within oh, my beautiful liar oh, my precious whore my disease, my infection I am so impure (oh)"
Billy was in the studio and pretty much wrote and produced "Live Through This" as a ghost artist, Kurt Dies Died: on April 5, 1994, "Live Through This" is ready to go and released April 12, 1994?
They were the band everyones girlfriend's listened to. None of the dudes would really admit to it. Vedder went with the Bono-esque "I'm basically like a new Jesus" type of narcissistic dooshbaggery, which turns the stomach a bit, indeed.
That's because these bands were used by the powers that be to socially engineer a culture of white despair- Kurt Cobain was a spokesperson for Big Tar. And upper middle class white kids fell for it. This was done at the same time they were destroying the black community with Rap, Guns and Crack. The CIA has been in the music industry for a long time. They're in the mainstream news biz right now. And pushing trans hard. The Laurel Canyon scene in the 60s was an op as well. It's all engineered. Building a Proletariat Daily they are.
I grew up with the pumpkins, nirvana and pearl jam and loved them all. I probably listened to nirvana the least because I found the songs more simplistic and formulaic (verse, chorus structures)and the pumpkins the most for the variety in songs. Pearl jam is my favourite live band and the energy on their first 3 albums. Dave Grohl, Jimmy chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Matt Cameron are all some my all time favourite drummers
I can’t say I find pearl jam particularly exciting but I do think there songs are very impactful and meaningful I think alive is a sing a lot of people can relate to
@@MozartBased I prefer Vs...probably Vitalogy too (bar Bugs obviously)...they are the 2 least...'classic rock' sounding albums. Not that I dislike them, I love them. But it's clear PJ were always destined to be a Sprinsteen esque epic live show arena band. But Vs sounded...different.
@@abrahamesparza01 umm didn’t the singer of mlb od and die? Didn’t Pearl Jam grab the two main song writers from mlb ? Wasn’t Pearl Jam created by the industry ? Makes you wonder
You seriously could just Google or go to wiki to learn how Pearl Jam formed. The fact you say lunacy like they are an industry plant tells me you have no idea what it means to research something if you are unsure of it. Take ten minutes and read for once.
Hands down Alice In Chains was the best grunge band and it’s not even close. I’d also put sound garden above smashing pumpkins but not sure about nirvana even though I really didn’t care for them much.
It's a little post-grunge, but the closest fit would probably be Live. Still, it's weird that somehow people have re-written U2 to somehow not have a run of that ranks among the greatest in rock. I don't think that's quite the slam you might think it is. 99 percent of bands would kill to have a catalog with War, Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby in their discog.
Motley Crue saying any other band sucked is laughable. The way they looked and the quality of their music is the worst the music industry had to offer. I understand why some folks liked it, although the way they look is just embarrassing (especially now that they're old), but i'll never understand how the band could ever insult anybody else.
im not a huge pearl jam fan. but the songs they do have that i like are powerful and really connect. i have to say that all these haters must be jealous, thats the only explanation.
I don't hate Pearl Jam ; I hate all of the awful similar sounding bands they spawned that dominated the airwaves after their success. I tapped out after their Vitalogy album and never even wanted to revisit any of their music for nostalgic reasons after all of these years. Between Pearl Jam and the clones that followed through the aughts Ive heard enough microphone mumble growling for a lifetime.
Well i purchased Pearl Jam's No Code. Some of my favorite music is on there. I think it's worth a listen if you've never heard it. Its a short album in my opinion. Present Tense is the albums masterpiece.
I was never a big fan of Pearl Jam. I wasnt very impressed, but, I have to hand it to them as far as being great musicians with good songs. I came oit of the 80s metal grind and fell right into Grundge. It was easy to love Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. They were Metal in some ways and embodied the whole Grundge vibe Pearl Jam included. The whole vibe was amazing and new. You could feel the change in the air. Nirvana was Grundge too, but a more pop vibe to them. They were a phenomenon. A happening. They did so much in the 3 short uears they were together.
Grunge, in my mind, really only lasted about 3 or 4 years, then we had the post grunge bands, most of whom I didn't really care for. I was too much of a metalhead at that time.
Most new genres or subgroups of music only last a short time. There's the band or two that develops it, or at least breaks through to a wider audience. Then a dozen more that intentionally or subconsciously copy it. Usually in a method more acceptable to mainstream audiences and industry A&R directors. Not to sound too hipsterish, but it's that second group that ruins any new style.
in the late 80s early 90s got into thrash and death metal then grunge came out. They say it killed metal but just forced it underground and made it diversify some of the best metal came out in the 90s.
@@Censored4UViaGooglenot even close to right. Ten, vs, vitalogy has hits like corduroy and better man, Pearl Jam has so many great songs and hits. Haven’t liked there last albums as much, but there first 5-6 albums were great
@@Censored4UViaGoogle 100% they blew their load on TEN, no matter how many pearls they tried to jam after that, the residual MLB magic was gone… you could always find a couple of songs on a SP album that were fine. PJ just became insufferable.
I like all kinds of music and bands. The less I know about them the better cause it starts to make you percieve there music in a whole different light.
I didn't like Pearl Jam whatsoever when they came out, because to me "Jeremy" sounded like a King's X song with Eddie Vedder singing it. And dUg Pinnick is a better vocalist. So I went off of them right then and there, because 10 was hugely successful, meanwhile, King's X was struggling to get that kind of audience. I softened on this opinion when learning they were big King's X fans. And every 4 or 5 years I'd go back to them to see if my opinion had changed. I do this with a lot of bands that I personally do not like. I always give it another chance. I even found myself watching that documentary made about Pearl Jam years ago, and I had to respect them greatly for their stance on the Music Industry. They're an important band. And I will never argue that they're not an important band. But like Billy Corgan, I cannot see how they've gained that audience. On my final go-round with their music, I finally reached the day where I no longer needed to ever go back to them and reappraise. I knew what my problem was with them. And it was nothing personal. I found myself agreeing with Vince Neil that everybody knows their lives are fucked up, why do we need songs about it being fucked up. I funnily enough agree with that. I did not agree with making all your songs about partying and doing chicks. But that's his gig. Pearl Jam's songs, to my ears, sound like a beach party at night, someone's got an acoustic guitar, someone's got smores ready, and everybody's got their fraternity's sweater on, cuz the nights are getting cooler and it's getting close to returning to school. All their songs sound like this to me. There's no riff. No hook. And though I'm fully onboard with anyone creating what they do whichever way they want, the absence of any hook or riff in their music tends to get me bored. "Cinnamon Girl" is not the most technically proficient, superbly performed piece of music ever written. But its riff is gold. It brings you back to it again and again. And they play it again and again. Pearl Jam have no hooks or riffs. And Billy Corgan is right. They don't have the songs. So I'm as surprised as he is that they have an audience. But it's a fine line between writing a catchy song, and deliberately manufacturing one to gain audiences. That's a whole other subject.
I dig 10. And I admired their calling out Ticketmaster. That is about it. I saw the Ramones open for them, and left halfway though PJ's set. To each their own.
To me music is music! Its all about the mood you're in at the time! I can go from heavy to 2pac just like that! Its just the mood and the environment that's going on at the time! Good fun songs is what its all about!
I LOVED Pearl Jam from around 1993, so much so that my nickname in high school was "Pearl Tam"; they were MY band, my obsession, and the reason I learned how to sing. I bought every import single and album, bought the "Mamasan" demos, the Bad Radio demos, etc. I was THAT fan, but... Now, I see them as unbelievably boring, preachy, and cringey; and now see Vedder - my former idol - as a complete and total douchebag. Vedder has become the thing he claimed to be railing against in the 90s. He is a rock star, schmoozing with the music industry, playing shows with Taylor Swift, and acting like anyone gives a crap about his 1996 political beliefs. Pearl Jam should retire and leave Vedder to self-service his ego.
I think what it boils down to was being in a bubble of artsy fartsy alternative types. I think at the very beginning because Eddie was an outsider he was able to ingratiate himself into that group of guys fairly well. He had a rockstar Jesus Vibe going on, and I know the rest of the guys were very much into rock and roll and could Embrace Rockstar Jesus Jim Morrison type dude. But then once they got rich as hell I think he had some kind of realization that he was no longer going to be seen as authentic and having street cred. So he put on this act that may have survived through the 90s like you're tortured writing songs in your truck even though you have enough money to buy three mansions. When you're only window into their lives was Rolling Stone magazine or some other articles. Now you have the internet and we see how these people truly live. I think Eddie wanted to try to maintain his Ultra left-wing cred and street cred. I think they may have been making a genuine attempt to do so during the 90s but then at one point realized that they were Fading Into full-on obscurity. You're not going to be able to hang out with Michael Stipe or Neil Young if you fade into full on obscurity. I don't know much about Michael Stipe but I know that Neil Young and Eddie have a lot in common in terms of contradictions with regard to their worldview and their actual life
Kurt will talk about other bands surrounding themselves with people he wouldn’t like to talk to, yet he had a guy with the surname Goldberg as his manager…
I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan. Hell, I never bought an album after Ten. But I'd rather listen to someone chainsaw sheet metal for six hours straight than listen to Billy Corgan sing one song. I absolutely despise Smashing Pumpkins.
Say what you will about Pearl Jam. Probably 2/3's of their music isn't good the other 1/3 is GOLD. They made MILLIONS and are basically retired at 50. I'm still check to check at 54 years old.....
Why do we need to compare these bands. Can’t we just appreciate them individually. Being from Washington state and 18 years old in 1992 I loved this era of music. I just saw Pearl Jam in Seattle 8 months ago and although Eddys voice isn’t the same as it was when he was younger he still puts his heart into his performances. I’m so happy Eddy is still ALIVE. He still lives in the same home in Seattle he has had for over 30 years although he is worth over 100 million dollars. How many people do you know that are that rich and are down to earth normal people? Let’s not pretend money and fame don’t change people. I just enjoy the music
This is the most pretentious band ever. Their music is very dry, corporate and boring. You can't sing along and let's not mention the goat singing style. "Better mahhhaaan". "Jeremihhh"
If anyone can remember ANY band to hit from 91 thru 94 was considered by the media as Grunge or O.T.G. (other than grunge). The fans knew the difference. My question is, What scene got overtaken by corporations quickest Punk in the 70s Or Grunge in the 90s?
Are any of these bands correct about Pearl Jam? ALSO here's my in-depth video about Pearl Jam's feud with Ticketmaster ua-cam.com/video/Hml5FHp5ouM/v-deo.html
Not the haters.
It’s all just a matter of opinion obviously there are tons of Pearl Jam fans.
Yes.
Always thought Pearl Jam were industry plants and a template on how to manufacture bands. Justice for Dave.
Love Pearl Jam for their music I'm sure most bands if you meet the people probably wouldn't like them look at GNR and Axl for example
Nikki 6 saying eddy is still dressing like hes that 90's guy, while he still dresses and dyes his hair like hes that 80's guy. 😂😂😂
Nobody in Pearl Jam wears wigs. That gen of music wasnt about trying to look young forever it was about being yourself.
I'm a life long MC fan and I have to say..... you have a point
🤣🤣🤣🤣 exactly
Nikki 6 fully owns his costume. Eddie is in denial that his 90s grunge-wear is a costume as well.
Not to mention, EV's clothing is just normal clothes.
Howard Stern looks like an elderly lesbian now.
😂😂
Same politics too
@@hwogrillo is this Steve Grillo?
@@jeremyrogers2735 Nope. His youtube is GrillosAftershockXL
Now?
Kurt wanted to be #1, but not be considered a sellout. But you can't have your cake and eat it too. If you reach the top, you become part of the machine whether you like it or not.
I get what you’re saying, but he made the same music whether he had millions of fans or no fans. So that’s a little different than being a “sellout”. That would imply making popular music on purpose.
@@jonathonwearn1098 “Welcome to the machine, what did you dream? It’s alright we told you what to dream!”
He didn't sellout. He cashed in😮
It’s almost like you can’t take a heroin/courtney addict too seriously 😂
I agree, it absorbs you . If you want to be a star of the stage look out, it’s rough and mean. It’s a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll.
Remember when we just listened to the music?
No. I've always talked about music with my friends and argued about what we liked or disliked.
I mean… the entire history of recorded music, especially in America, has always had a lot of bad publicity at best or being outright racist at worst. It’s just easier to access all the discourse or become a part of it since we have the internet
Fuck yeah.
I miss those days, things were much more simple back then.
@@anthonygilletteit follows whatever course the culture creation machine wishes
I learned to appreciate Alice n Chains more as I got older and experienced grief and loss.
Good BAND "Jar of Flies" really cool album
Thats why they're my favorite.
The Best Band Ever
Jerry Cantrell IS THE MAN
AIC is great. Layne was so unique. Jerry is a huge hole.
Personal preference of course, but I put them ahead of all the other grunge bands except Nirvana.
Alice in Chains was the best of the Grunge.
DAMN SKIPPY!!!!
It's spelled GRUNGE 😊
It's spelled GRUNGE 😊
Ah yes AiC my fav ‘Grundge’ band
Alice In Chains and Soundgarden.
You don't work your ass off while broke in some garage wanting to finally end up... broke and in some garage.
@@davidstrickler5362 Depends on your priorities. I dont think that it's fair to say that everyone works their asses off only to make money and be famous. At least I hope not.
I dunno. Maybe it'd be a bigger, nicer garage.
I love a lot of the music from this era but I always hated their anti- establishment gimmicks. Most of them signed with multi-million dollar major labels. At that point, they were NOT “bands of the underground ” even though they still pretended to be.
Exactly. Unfortunately, that attitude was prevalent in society as well. Now they're all Democrats.
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Lol yeah, I remember that whole fad where internationally successful bands considered themselves "too good" to be mainstream. That's the whole reason they started calling rock bands "alternative."
Loved Pearl Jam and that era of music. Looking back on it, I think the whole "Us Against the Corporate Greed" was gimmicky. Vedder tried hard to look anti-establishment but profited plenty off of it. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it but you can't have both extreme modalities. His (and Aments) kicking out of Dave A right after this period of time, would ultimately hurt the bands legacy in my mind. They made a couple good albums with Irons but I think they suffered in quality and rawness after vitalogy. After 94 Pearl Jam became Veddars band.
Just because they had to play the game to a certain degree due to their fame doesn’t mean they believed in the game, capitalist mega corporations are the antithesis of what art and music should be and I think they know that.
He declared war on Ticketmaster but now charges $1000 a ticket.
And you actually made a narrative out of that. Creative, is what my art teacher would say, not wanting to put someone down.
Eddie vedder went over his head with that one. A war the band lost before it even started.
He sold out ever since that debacle. illuminati symbols appeared in almost all of their albums following Vitalogy
Kinda saved his life to be honest as he is only the frontman of the top 5 grudge band that is still alive. Kurt, Layne, Andy, and Chris C are all gone except for Eddie. Ironic, that he isnt even from Seattle
Untrue
Well, considering the fact you can listen to the entire Pearl Jam catalog for free…I think it’s an even trade.
Nobody with any integrity would speak to Howard Stern.
Word. Plus he’s a jew, which should be enough for anyone
In retrospect, they all come off as overly self-important and insufferable. And, yes, I was there and in my 20s.
Literally was just about to say this.
@@LouisWritingSomethingCrazy Not crazy, Louis!
Mid 20s means you already had Warrant Whitesnake Winger and Vixen posters on your wall before Nirvana hit. You were already too old. Nothing wrong with that, just dont pretend it was your scene.
@@travzimmerman1340 Easy there, Junior.
Like you?
I love how Crue talked shit about originality when they were just like every other hair metal band of the 80s, then tried to get on the Nu Metal train and flopped out hard haha
Lol true
Will motley Crue were one of the OG hair bands
Not true. Every band followed and copied the CRÜE. Motley started that whole scene in 1981. It’s ok to be wrong
Crue was the originators. There was two camps of hair metal. Van Halen wannabes and Motley Crue wannabes. They made their mistake when they fired Vince Neal and tried to be grunge with that self-titled album.
Motley Crue was the band the made hair metal mainstream; though they came from the scene while it was still underground. I like their top hits but never got into anything else by them.
I always found them a bit overrated and overhyped. Eddie’s garbled, incoherent vocals can be annoyingly flat at times. And the music itself was a just eh. But the songwriting and lyrics are what really make them stand out. They had some great songs that told some really interesting stories from different perspectives. For that I can appreciate them.
Songwriting IS the music but the music is eh and the songwriting is what really makes them stand out? You sound like a confused chatgpt answer trying to sound like a music critic
My thoughts exactly. His voice just bothers the hell out of me and then you had the countless other singers from that era that had that same voice. Everything else is there for me with the music and lyrics, but that voice. I’m a huge Rush fan too and I know Geddy’s voice is what keeps a lot of people from being fans of them.
@@greengrass1072 I don’t mind Geddy’s voice. He’s articulate and he can hold a tune. Working Man is one of my favorite Rush songs.
Funny enough Andrew Wood wrote most of 10….Eddy got to ride on work someone else did.
@ damn I didn’t know that. Makes sense though.
For me it was Nirvana, Soundgarden Alice in Chains and Smashing Pumpkins in no particular order. I loved the other bands too but I just liked the sonic mood of those bands most
Same, but PJ is right up there for me and Blind Melon as well. There's something about all the blind melon albums that just stabs my soul every time even 30 years later...
@@hardboiledfrog Blind melon was a fine band, same with mother lovebone, both favorites of mine along with sound garden & alice in chains. I wasn't a huge nirvana fan, but their debut album was bad ass.
@toxsickdog i tried to get into mother love bone, several times over the years, just can't seem to
I hope you didn’t miss out on Faith bo More, they were better than any band of that era
Oh Billy Corgan, The Ego on that guy. 😂
He's still Courtney's dog. She would put him down for a free lunch at Starbucks.
Well, maybe he earned the right to have an ego, his songwriting was pretty incredible
Talent: Corgan > Vedder and it’s not close
The depth and originality of the Pumpkins catalog is miles more original than PJ as well.
To each their own for musical taste.
@@BloodNAshez From a lyrical standpoint, Smashing Pumpkins were pretty mediocre. Their best was Landslide, but they didn't write it. Vedder wrote much better lyrics. From a musical standpoint, Smashing Pumpkins had a few great songs, but not that many. I'd say they had more standout tracks than Pearl Jam amidst a lot of good but not great songs. They are pretty overrated.
@@Yomommahouse6801 at least he can back it up
Can we all just appreciate the fact that the early nineties was the last wave of original rock mainstream music that will stand out in time.
Nothing from that era is original.
@@greendestiny2000 like what lol?
We're taking the culture back. Its just zio-demoralization. These are the depression days but MAGA is winning.
If Billy Corgan ever bitches about me I know Im doing something right.
Smashing Pumpkins is a very good band, but he's high if he thinks they had the impact of Nivana or PJ.
@@Batman12810as a person that grew up in the 80s and 90s,
I can still listen to smashing pumpkins but there's something childishly nihilistic about Cobain. Have I outgrown Nirvana?
i used to like courtney Love's one good album cobain probably co wrote anonymously because she couldnt repeat it or get the same type of song anymore.
It was a great 1990s album but again it just seems childishly nihilistic now.
I just hear two brats singing.
@@Batman12810 SP were bigger than PJ.
@Jerry_Gallo Revisionist History. SP's top selling albums went 4X platinum. While PJ's Ten went 8X Platinum, and Vs went 7X platinum, despite Siamese Dream and Vs releasing the same year.
Billy Corgan does not Have fun and fakchiks
my first CD was pearl jam's binaural. I got that for my 7th birthday and it changed my life. I'm 32 now and still play guitar and love that record. I feel like I would have never gotten into music or found the self-expressionand music as an outlet because of that CD.
Great album
PJ was a blues/rock band. Nirvana was a punk band. I can’t understand the umbrella of grunge, probably the stupidest genre name of all time. Lots of good music came out from all over the place then, unfortunately the record business had to package and market it as one genre.
"Grunge" was absolutely a marketing term created by record companies and the mainstream media. None of the "big four" bands of the grunge era sound anything alike so grunge obviously isn't a sound.
Nirvana was not PUNK !
Eddy is the most insufferable front man in rock. Still acting like he’s not a multi millionaire when the reality is he’s a champagne socialist.
Bono is a clown indeed.
Never paid dues coming up...that pissed Cobain off.
I don't get it either...
I was in College when "Nevermind" blew up. It was exciting at first, being a big fan of punk and alternative for many years, but got boring, trite, and derivative after a few years. Mtv had a huge part to play in the oversaturation, just like they did with metal in the 80s. Now, we're stuck with the Foo Fighters.
Anything that’s any good will stagnant and get derivative, even if it’s not marketable music. I like a lot of death metal and even in that genre, once the OG bands established themselves it became a wash of copycat bands. I think it’s just the nature of things. Something new and fresh comes along, people copy it, it gets stale, then folks move on to the next thing or a band redefines a once tired genre. The 90’s Seattle scene was killer while it lasted though.
I was honestly surprised Nirvana got so big, because to me they just sounded like a million punk and pop-punk bands I'd heard a million times before.
A couple years later I felt the same way about Green Day.
The music marketing machine works. Whatever is promoted the most has a remarkably good chance of "amazingly" becoming the most popular thing around.
@@shreddiekrueger359 jeeezus... death metal... 35 years later and a million bands are still just copying Chuck Shuldiner riffs ad nauseum.
I really enjoyed some of the OG's of that genre, but it got old pretty fast.
Dude. Blood Sugar Sex Magic. I STILL can't stand to listen to that album, and I loved RHCP when Hillel was alive.
lol at the foo fihhters
I remember seeing a Pearl Jam interview early on when 10 had just come out and Eddie was all smiley and normal. Next thing you know (after success), he's all grim and serious. I began turning off soon after this fake personality.
16 ppl died at his show..and a stalker crashed through a home he owned wall. sooOoo.yknow?
yeah, I’d be pretty upset about that too.
He was supposed to be glum and dour because self loathing was the prevailing energy that scene was supposed to bring.
I would not consider it a fake personality since I don't know him personally, but it may have been a reaction to becoming famous and commercially successful subsequently people became focused primarily on him and his life rather than focusing on the music itself.
Dude's a Capricorn-many of us have a very serious and intense side, but most of us also have a goofy and playful side too. We're complex, deep, and a bit extremist.
Corgan saying Pearl Jam don’t have the songs and that they were transformed by fame is the height of no self awareness.
Pearl Jam definitely have a better catalog but Corgan probably has enough to go toe to toe with PJ’s first two albums. SP would still lose but PJ’s first two albums are better than most bands greatest hits. STP have three great albums too. Hate how everybody disrespects them.
no "self awareness"? lol understatement for sure.
@@oophorror2251*first 5 albums
I came here to make this exact comment. I 100% agree with you.
I love this rewriting of history thing that you guys do with the Pumpkins. All because you don't like Billy's opinions. I'm sorry but tons of people prefer The Smashing Pumpkins to Pearl Jam (and vice versa), they were both huge bands. You prefer Pearl Jam, I prefer Smashing Pumpkins, music is subjective. Such a dumb argument...
The very early interviews with Eddie Vedder tell it like it is: Before "Ten" went all platinum, he was bouncing off the walls, all energetic and blabbering 100 MPH. Right after "Ten" blew up...... meet "Eddie Vedder; The Tortured Soul", mumbling softly, always pretending to have a migraine, and just wanting a cup of tea and some privacy.
Truth. You didn't see Eddie climbing on the rafters again.
Eddie was the board caddie for Kelly Slater at Pipeline. Kelly broke his board and Eddie gave him the spare and paddled in. There were pros that wouldn't do that job it was so gnarly.
Man that is spot on.
lmao, that's pretty good
On point.
PJ Ten is one of the greatest albums EVER made. and i mean EVER. front to back, top to bottom. easily one of the greatest albums EVER made.
In short being a pretentious ass will make you the target of hate even from other pretentious asses .
I think you summed it up perfectly, these guys all had their heads in the clouds and were trying so hard to downplay their massive ego's and seem humble.
I never understood the whole hipster thing of hating anything cool, just like Slipknot hating what they've created. - Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, temple of the dog were all number ones and its pathetic to think you gotta stick with one to compete
I could not agree more, art is subjective, no one's opinion is right or wrong.
"COOL" is Subjective and it changes every generation. Not embracing what's popular just to be contrarian, is just what happens each generation
The fact that you listed Temple of the Dog, shows you have zero understanding of the music scene out of Seattle at that time.
@@Treacherous_One 🤓🤓🤓
@@Treacherous_One Its time to get a life kid because the world doesnt revolve around your consciousness ... and if your still butt hurt about it theres Grindr
AIC was best grunge band close second Soundgarden.
Grunge isn’t real. It’s just something a magazine made up
@@BloodNAshez
Not at all. Mark Arm used the term "grunge" to describe his bands music in the early 80s, a band that didn't even exist yet, and a Subpop producer used the term in late 80s to describe 3 new bands they had signed, one being Nirvana.
@@buckster2575 you mean alice n chains. A glam metal band pretending to be alternative? Stop with the metal glazing?
@@inutero10 and there still better than nirvana with that whiny overrated bum Kurt cobain.they war about as mainstream as it gets.
@@buckster2575 whiney like layne staley? What the hell do you think thr entire dirt album was?.
I am still a big PJ fan to some degree, but I've realised over the last few years that it's more 90s nostalgia keeping me interested in them. Eddie Vedder's I-want-to-be-humble schtick, whilst being a millionaire thing is annoying to me. He was once Ticketmaster's biggest critic, and yet Ticketmaster now promote PJ (for the usual insane ticket prices). Well, they did here in Ireland. Also the way he was essentially two-faced with Dave Abbruzzese has always galled me. He didn't like that DA's ideals didn't match his holier-than-thou own, eventually got him kicked out off the band and when he accidentally ran into Dave later, acted like they were still pals. Leaving DA out of the Rock and Roll HOF Induction was also a pretty shitty thing to do. Vedder was someone invited to join the remnants of Mother Love Bone, and essentially took them over completely.
This all sounds much ado about nothing. All those bands became rich and wore the same clothes, what are you upset about? Would you have been happier if Eddie started wearing expensive 3 piece suits on stage, I don't get what you want. Surely if he'd switched up to suits, you'd be calling him a sellout. Also, Eddie became the principal song writer, that gives you a directing voice in the band, so it's also a really weird thing to say he just came and took over, what expectation did you have? That he should've become a demure entity in the background as front man? And not for nothing but I don't recall that the rest of the band missed Dave that much. From what I remember, Dave was kind of a strange guy and did not gel well with everyone else and had a weird lifestyle and nobody missed him. Not even enough to reunite with him for any reason at all, the general consensus was that they were glad to see him go. Seems like you haven't entertained the thought that it was more a Dave issue and not an Eddie issue. This all kind of sounds like a you problem, like you're making arbitrary reasons up to dislike Eddie. I personally don't think of the band for the personalities, I have always been more reflective of the music and lyrical content. And to that, I appreciate Pearl jam for writing impactful and thoughtful songs.
Small details, you're too focused on Vedder's success and stuff, so a successful person can't be humble?
Well said. The Abbruzzese thing (particularly the story behind "Glorified G") was ridiculous.
Abbruzzese is by pretty much all accounts a total piece of work. There's a reason why he never latched onto any meaningful band after Pearl Jam. I would not use him as an example of condemning Vedder.
Eddie always was and will always be pretentious...
Napoleon complex...
Bro I used to LOVE Eddie Vedder and Pearl jam when I was younger and it's amazing to realize how naive I was back then to buy into his "act". When I watch old interviews with him it just oozes pretentiousness. So much so that I'm embarrassed I couldn't see right through it as a teenager. Like how dumb are people when they're young?? I must've been SO stupid back then lmao I think today's generation isn't at naive like we were. Hmm maybe being naive is a good thing in some regards? I don't know. Different topic for another day lol but yeah I think Vedder is such a PHONY and anyone with eyes and ears can see that. Maybe he's different now but back in their prime... Pfft that dude was fake AF!! Cobain was the genuine article. Corgan might be a little egotistical, but he doesn't lie!
When I saw he was friends with Neil Druckman, I realized Eddie was a major tool.
I always found him to be a bit of a twat
Pearl Jam Fought TicketMaster and then became them. Eddy is Teddy
I first saw Pearl Jam when they played that legendary tour they did with Smashing Pumpkins and The Chili Peppers back in 1991 at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago. They put on a good show but it didn’t make me wanting more. I thought they were the Bad Company of the 90’s
Soundgarden straight ROCKED!!!
Yes, until Superunknown.
Not one bad song in any of their album up to A-Sides, before the split.
Audioslave
yes
Acceptance is a friend to all..
Soundgarden was just the best of the rest..
It is what it is
Ok you can say what you like about PJ or whatever but a very good friend of mine worked in palliative care for children with cancer in a London hospital. He told me that Eddie Vedder would call up quite frequently and ask if the kids were ok and if they needed anything. He'd visit the ward and he'd sort out gifts to be sent to the hospital for kids. He didn't throw it into the media and he genuinely cared.
Their treatment of Dave Abruzzesse and Jack Irons was appalling. Vedder, Gossard, and Ament are such assholes
I think Pearl Jam is the Eddie Vedder show. I remember watching an interview with all of them somewhat recently and they're all clearly walking on eggshells around Eddie.
They basically say it used to be all of them, but now Eddie is the main driver of the band, and he doesn't refute it.... which is something I was expecting to hear from egalitarian Eddie.
What the rest of them thought about Dave wouldn't have factored into the decision.
Many of your favorite bands treated band members like shxt. Don't cherry pick.
Exactly! Even though Dave Abbruzzesse and I differ politically? I haven't liked Pearl Jam since.👊👊👊
Lol, Mötley Crüe has absolutely zero credibility when it comes to the musical talent of the guys in Pearl Jam and any of the other bands labeled grunge. There’s no question that Mötley Crüe was successful, but it wasn’t for musical abilities, but rather a superficial, generic party image.
The only musical talent in motley Crue where Mick Mars and Tommy Lee. Vince and Nikki we're both untalented fuck tards
Pearl Jam is the lamest of all the grundge bands. So boring and generic. Motely Crue was cheesy but at least they had songs that didn't bore you to tears, or make you want to slit your wrists... Mick Mars could play circles around any of Pearl Jams guitarists. Tommy Lee is a far better drummer than Pearl Jams. But what musical abilities do Pearl Jam have? Eddie Vedder's "stroke" voice sounds great. What is that shlt he does with his vocal approach? It's beyond annoying.
@butchvito Don't know if this comes from a position of ''Oh, I only listened to a couple of their songs and they sucked'' because Pearl Jam's discography is nothing close to boring.
@@halfcabbed2981I listened to PJ. Vocals were annoying after a while. Why talk shit about another band unless you are just pretentious?
@@butchvitoMick Mars is the only good musician and his new solo album proves it....
ten was an absolute masterpiece. Unfortunately, Pearl Jam has never released anything decent since. While I don't care for Sixx, he was correct in labeling them as "boring." PJ has become the most pretentious band in the business.
You think Jeremy is a bad song.
Many times I've been in their live audience. These songs are our church. Their community feels this music.
@@patrickrkruger nope, I love that song. As I stated, I think Ten is a masterpiece.
Vs and Vitalogy were pretty good too but I lost interest after that.
@@zionred ok. My bad. You said Yellow Ledbetter was a bad song. That one tells me you never went to a show.
@zionred Also just curious. You wouldn't be a Lincoln Park fan, would you?
Eddie Vedder just seems so fake to me
There has always been something about Pearl Jam that didn't sit right with me. I always felt like Eddie Vedder was an arrogant pseudointellectual; half a poser half a genuine talent. I'm willing to say that I might be wrong, but that was my intuition.
I think he was just a Normie
I love how Sugar Ray died & Pearl Jam still rocks & still sell out all their shows!
I totally forgot Sugar Ray even existed!
What?? Motley Crue didn't die. They still sell out stadiums 40s years later, and they had a netflix movie a few years ago. You must not pay attention very well.
Bruh they were on tour last year
In seeing that Motley Crew still has fans that have their back, Ill remove Motley Crew off my comment.
Im not even going to argue that Pearl Jam had bigger audiences last year (& every year) etc. 😝
But Im leaving Sugar Ray on b/c no one can talk me out of my thoughts on saying Sugar Ray being dead.
@whenmusicdidntsuck 😂thanks for updating how u edited the original comment 😂(edit: i didn't see original so comment thread made me feel schizo) props for taking the wind outta my trolling sail 😂
I remember those days ,it was a glorious time for me. I was 20 years old when Nirvana‘s second album came out and Pearl Jam‘s first along with Soundgarden Badmotorfinger right behind them. We’re screaming trees and Alice In Chains. I listen to all the bands back then ,Smashing Pumpkins meat Puppets all the alternative/grunge whatever the hell you want to call it it made no difference to me. It was a great time for music.
Keep in mind these musicians were very young at the time without the wisdom or growth in their life , so people say stupid things think certain ways yada yada. To me it was the 60s revolution all over again as far as Pearl Jam. I know a lot of people turned off by the second album because they didn’t like the sound, but I always felt they didn’t care about the mainstream and made music the way they wanted to I’ve always found them a little more alternative and punk, then the rest of the bands Constantly changing their sound from Album to Album ,,perhaps a lot of the bands didn’t like the fact that they were able to expand their sound with success while the other bands were stuck with the same sound from their last album.
I'm pretty sure you meant to say Soundgarden's album Bad motor finger, not just badfinger
@@bubbabingaman1798 yes thank you Badmotorfinger
Billy Corigan fancies himself a poet. They had one song I loved. Then they release psychotic crap 🎶 rat in a cage! Yada yada.
Janes Addiction, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Alice In Chains and many more stand the test of time. That era was a vibe, and we listeners found ourselves in our feels. It was necessary for a change.
@@michaelkenyon6173I don't know man, Siamese Dream still stands the test of time. Great album.
I never really enjoyed Pearl Jam but it's easy to acknowledge they have plenty o' fans.
Yeah because the songs are good and arent formulaic. Theres so many diverse styles they have.
Interesting how many are saying they don't like PJ in the comments but they are still watching a PJ drama video
I don’t hate Pearl Jam. but I totally get why folx do
I don't get why folks do?
@@abrahamesparza01because they suck and Eddie is a douche.
@@abrahamesparza01because Eddie is pretentious and preachy. He also bought an island and married a former model like they all do. Nothing wrong with that, except it contradicts everything he previously said. The guy could ignore politics in order to be friends with right-wing, gun-loving nuts the Ramones but lectures his fans at every other show. It gets old after thirty years lol.
I dont Hate Pear jam,i only know they sucks
*people
I don't agree with what those bands said. I remember when 10 came out---it was far from boring, it made quite an impact. They've always had a sound of their own, and can hardly be described as corporate rock
the 90's were some of the best years for music ever
ABSOLUTELY!! So sad what music has disintegrated to. Music is a balm for the soul & we can all use that balm in todays world.
Agreed. I consider myself fortunate to be a child of the 80s but if I could relive a decade it would absolutely be the 90s.
There were some great bands that sounded distinct but honestly, Innovation in music to me died from the 90's onwards.
@@paulkingMotion Me too. Innovation & talent. Plummeted.
Co-signed. Not only the best music but also the best movies, best TV Shows, best concerts etc. etc. etc.
Remember the dark days of rock music when it seemed like every lead singer was an Eddie Vedder clone?
I call it the 'Pearl-Mary-Creed- 20' phenomenon! Eventually passing the torch to the 'Kid-Corn-Chamber-Biscuit' way of life! Peace
YES, the plague that was post grunge...
@@pablodelsegundo9502 Post grunge? You mean Oasis, The Cranberries, Green Day, Garbage, The Offspring, The Smashing Pumpkins? They were all better than anything grunge.
@@TonyMontanaDSI think homie means the grunge inspired bands post grunge, like staind and nickleback, tho ig filter and bush can kinda be considered post grunge in that sense too but idkk genre labels be muddy sumtimes
@@TonyMontanaDSno most of those bands you mentioned are trash.
Billy Corgan was dating Courtney Love and she left to be with Kurt, before Kurt's death there was a love triangle including Trent Reznor, then Billy wrote "Live Through This". The Downward Spiral from NIN that same year had 5 songs about Courtney, March of the Pigs, Piggy, Ruiner, Reptile..."She spreads herself wide open to let the insects in / She leaves a trail of honey to show me where she's been / She has the blood of reptile just underneath her skin/
seeds from a thousand others drip down from within
oh, my beautiful liar
oh, my precious whore
my disease, my infection
I am so impure (oh)"
How the hell could such talented men get hung up on CL? I don't get it.
@@ricardourrea5431 Shes answered that in interviews, she said since she never had the looks , she had to work be the best in bed...she said that.
Billy was in the studio and pretty much wrote and produced "Live Through This" as a ghost artist, Kurt Dies Died: on April 5, 1994, "Live Through This" is ready to go and released April 12, 1994?
The big 4 is Alice in chains, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Stone temple pilots
This was an excellant video. I must've missed it first time.
Wow, tremendous amount of research you gathered here. I remember some of this. Nice work.
Thanks!
They were the band everyones girlfriend's listened to. None of the dudes would really admit to it.
Vedder went with the Bono-esque "I'm basically like a new Jesus" type of narcissistic dooshbaggery, which turns the stomach a bit, indeed.
That's like your opinion man
Acting like he's humble and we should all be humble too, whilst living a millionaire's lifestyle.
@mark,
The dude abides!🫡🤘🏻
You got it!!@@Daddy53751
I was SUCH a fangurl for this band in high school. Unsurprisingly, that affection shifted to Alice in Chains when I took up heroin at 18.
I... need an adult?
You end going to the methadone clinic like me. Or did you kick it yourself. Just curious
I hope that you were able to take control of your life back.
Sadly you haven't followed Layne into the great unknown
That's because these bands were used by the powers that be to socially engineer a culture of white despair- Kurt Cobain was a spokesperson for Big Tar. And upper middle class white kids fell for it. This was done at the same time they were destroying the black community with Rap, Guns and Crack. The CIA has been in the music industry for a long time. They're in the mainstream news biz right now. And pushing trans hard. The Laurel Canyon scene in the 60s was an op as well. It's all engineered. Building a Proletariat Daily they are.
Dave Abbruzzese best drummer for Pearl Jam. Haven't been the same since. Keep Rockin' Dave! 🤘🤘
When ever I heard Eddie Vetter sing, It always reminded me of a drill sargent calling out cadence to a marching platoon.
Smashing pumpkins just opened for Green Day. Kinda funny.
I grew up with the pumpkins, nirvana and pearl jam and loved them all. I probably listened to nirvana the least because I found the songs more simplistic and formulaic (verse, chorus structures)and the pumpkins the most for the variety in songs. Pearl jam is my favourite live band and the energy on their first 3 albums. Dave Grohl, Jimmy chamberlain, Dave Abbruzzese and Matt Cameron are all some my all time favourite drummers
Artists should keep their political affiliation out of the limelight.
I can’t say I find pearl jam particularly exciting but I do think there songs are very impactful and meaningful I think alive is a sing a lot of people can relate to
Nirvana and Alice In Chains sat at #1, Soundgarden #2, The Smashing Pumpkins#3 , Pearl Jam #4, and STP #5. Honorable mentions LIVE!
Pearl Jam turned into what they hated.
That always seems to be the case. Weird huh?
@@Daddy53751 yep’ Howard Stern did the same thing!….Howard now reminds me of an old lady with a purse.”👛 lmao!
10 is a perfect album. I don't care for the rest of their discography.
I feel exactly the same
Definitely the best from their catalog.
Vs. is very good too.
@@MozartBased I prefer Vs...probably Vitalogy too (bar Bugs obviously)...they are the 2 least...'classic rock' sounding albums. Not that I dislike them, I love them. But it's clear PJ were always destined to be a Sprinsteen esque epic live show arena band. But Vs sounded...different.
@@neil993Bianural is a studio sounding albums and it’s amazing
Pearl Jam was a label creation. Mother love bone was the real Pearl Jam
No. And Mother Love Bone was Mother Love Bone
@@abrahamesparza01 umm didn’t the singer of mlb od and die? Didn’t Pearl Jam grab the two main song writers from mlb ? Wasn’t Pearl Jam created by the industry ? Makes you wonder
Mother Love Bone was a hair metal band, not grunge.
You seriously could just Google or go to wiki to learn how Pearl Jam formed. The fact you say lunacy like they are an industry plant tells me you have no idea what it means to research something if you are unsure of it.
Take ten minutes and read for once.
Bruh… put the bong down.
Still don't like Eddie, but Jeff Ament is the real deal.
Hands down Alice In Chains was the best grunge band and it’s not even close. I’d also put sound garden above smashing pumpkins but not sure about nirvana even though I really didn’t care for them much.
Sean Kinney despised that label.
Here comes the alice in chains glazers again
That world kinda ended when Kurt died. Still brings a tear to my eye. Won't say my life was directly affected, but it felt that way at the time.
I loved early Stone led Pearl Jam. Ed turned them into an a mediocre punk band and that was that.
Exactly
Dave Abbruzzese was also a huge part of early PJ. When Eddie and Jeff sacked him, it was all downhill.
@@andrewvanhalen1984 agree 100%
true
If you look at the writing credits of any of their albums, they have all written about the same amount of songs, +/-.
To me Pearl Jam was the U2 of the grunge era. Never cared for their whiny, moany, woke lyrics. AIC was legit.
It's a little post-grunge, but the closest fit would probably be Live. Still, it's weird that somehow people have re-written U2 to somehow not have a run of that ranks among the greatest in rock. I don't think that's quite the slam you might think it is. 99 percent of bands would kill to have a catalog with War, Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby in their discog.
What a weird take.
Dinosaur Jr Was most the Best alt rock than all that grunge weak bands.
Whiny is not good,see nu metal and emo after
@@ZeroDarkMidnight U2 is much better than pear jam,grunge is proto emo,just like nu metal..
As long as there have been bands, they have played corporate gigs. ALL of them.
Aic gets you in the feels, nirvana in the anger, pumpkins in the annoyance and PJ in all of the above. Does that make them commercial?
Corgan is hilarious 😂😂
I wish I could be that delusional, lol. The Pumpkins catalog isn’t 1/100th of PJ’s 😂
The band is great Eddie sings like he's got a mouthful of marbles😮😮😂😂
I like your Weird Al reference! Wonder if anyone else got it!😂❤
Definitely in the Club.
When you know, you know.
Yes Eddie is a monster and not in a good way, he is part of the club.
Yes
@@WJ1333yes , he went out of his way to support the W Memphis 3 … birds of a feather
The big club, and we ain't in it.
@@juanvaldez5422 100% correct
Motley Crue saying any other band sucked is laughable. The way they looked and the quality of their music is the worst the music industry had to offer. I understand why some folks liked it, although the way they look is just embarrassing (especially now that they're old), but i'll never understand how the band could ever insult anybody else.
Yea if it weren't for Mick Mars they wouldn't even be a band, they'd be a Milli Vanilli of Metal type deal.
Oh c'mon, they were the very kings of Sunset Strip until Guns n Roses pop out, Crue was massive in the 80s.
im not a huge pearl jam fan. but the songs they do have that i like are powerful and really connect. i have to say that all these haters must be jealous, thats the only explanation.
Nikki Sixx walks in the shadow of rock music's biggest cheeseball, Gene Simmons.
I don't hate Pearl Jam ; I hate all of the awful similar sounding bands they spawned that dominated the airwaves after their success. I tapped out after their Vitalogy album and never even wanted to revisit any of their music for nostalgic reasons after all of these years. Between Pearl Jam and the clones that followed through the aughts Ive heard enough microphone mumble growling for a lifetime.
This was a great Nirvana video
Art is different and consumer taste is different. There's no competition... it's good if you, the consumer, like it. 🤘☮
Well i purchased Pearl Jam's No Code. Some of my favorite music is on there. I think it's worth a listen if you've never heard it. Its a short album in my opinion. Present Tense is the albums masterpiece.
I was never a big fan of Pearl Jam. I wasnt very impressed, but, I have to hand it to them as far as being great musicians with good songs. I came oit of the 80s metal grind and fell right into Grundge. It was easy to love Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. They were Metal in some ways and embodied the whole Grundge vibe Pearl Jam included. The whole vibe was amazing and new. You could feel the change in the air. Nirvana was Grundge too, but a more pop vibe to them. They were a phenomenon. A happening. They did so much in the 3 short uears they were together.
Grunge, in my mind, really only lasted about 3 or 4 years, then we had the post grunge bands, most of whom I didn't really care for. I was too much of a metalhead at that time.
Most new genres or subgroups of music only last a short time. There's the band or two that develops it, or at least breaks through to a wider audience. Then a dozen more that intentionally or subconsciously copy it. Usually in a method more acceptable to mainstream audiences and industry A&R directors.
Not to sound too hipsterish, but it's that second group that ruins any new style.
in the late 80s early 90s got into thrash and death metal then grunge came out. They say it killed metal but just forced it underground and made it diversify some of the best metal came out in the 90s.
Billy is wrong about PJ. They HAD the songs in the early to mid 90's.
Pearl Jam had one great album, that’s it. Their catalog doesn’t compare to SP’s
@@Censored4UViaGooglenot even close to right. Ten, vs, vitalogy has hits like corduroy and better man, Pearl Jam has so many great songs and hits. Haven’t liked there last albums as much, but there first 5-6 albums were great
@@Censored4UViaGoogle 100% they blew their load on TEN, no matter how many pearls they tried to jam after that, the residual MLB magic was gone… you could always find a couple of songs on a SP album that were fine. PJ just became insufferable.
@@JeremysPointOfView pass the butter man…. That’s what I sing at every thanksgiving 🦃
@Spooky_515
Smashing Pumpkins are horseshit. Unless you love the sound of two alley cats fight-fucking
I happen to like Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Smashing Pumpkins, etc. They all have music I like and some I don't care for.
I like all kinds of music and bands. The less I know about them the better cause it starts to make you percieve there music in a whole different light.
@@41663 Agreed.
I didn't like Pearl Jam whatsoever when they came out, because to me "Jeremy" sounded like a King's X song with Eddie Vedder singing it. And dUg Pinnick is a better vocalist. So I went off of them right then and there, because 10 was hugely successful, meanwhile, King's X was struggling to get that kind of audience.
I softened on this opinion when learning they were big King's X fans.
And every 4 or 5 years I'd go back to them to see if my opinion had changed. I do this with a lot of bands that I personally do not like. I always give it another chance. I even found myself watching that documentary made about Pearl Jam years ago, and I had to respect them greatly for their stance on the Music Industry. They're an important band. And I will never argue that they're not an important band.
But like Billy Corgan, I cannot see how they've gained that audience. On my final go-round with their music, I finally reached the day where I no longer needed to ever go back to them and reappraise. I knew what my problem was with them. And it was nothing personal. I found myself agreeing with Vince Neil that everybody knows their lives are fucked up, why do we need songs about it being fucked up. I funnily enough agree with that. I did not agree with making all your songs about partying and doing chicks. But that's his gig.
Pearl Jam's songs, to my ears, sound like a beach party at night, someone's got an acoustic guitar, someone's got smores ready, and everybody's got their fraternity's sweater on, cuz the nights are getting cooler and it's getting close to returning to school. All their songs sound like this to me. There's no riff. No hook. And though I'm fully onboard with anyone creating what they do whichever way they want, the absence of any hook or riff in their music tends to get me bored. "Cinnamon Girl" is not the most technically proficient, superbly performed piece of music ever written. But its riff is gold. It brings you back to it again and again. And they play it again and again.
Pearl Jam have no hooks or riffs. And Billy Corgan is right. They don't have the songs. So I'm as surprised as he is that they have an audience. But it's a fine line between writing a catchy song, and deliberately manufacturing one to gain audiences. That's a whole other subject.
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I dig 10. And I admired their calling out Ticketmaster. That is about it. I saw the Ramones open for them, and left halfway though PJ's set. To each their own.
To me music is music! Its all about the mood you're in at the time! I can go from heavy to 2pac just like that! Its just the mood and the environment that's going on at the time! Good fun songs is what its all about!
If your hated by the so-called Alternative music scene. Then you are true alt- Rock. Always loved pearl jam. Put on Ten and Game.
I LOVED Pearl Jam from around 1993, so much so that my nickname in high school was "Pearl Tam"; they were MY band, my obsession, and the reason I learned how to sing. I bought every import single and album, bought the "Mamasan" demos, the Bad Radio demos, etc. I was THAT fan, but...
Now, I see them as unbelievably boring, preachy, and cringey; and now see Vedder - my former idol - as a complete and total douchebag.
Vedder has become the thing he claimed to be railing against in the 90s. He is a rock star, schmoozing with the music industry, playing shows with Taylor Swift, and acting like anyone gives a crap about his 1996 political beliefs.
Pearl Jam should retire and leave Vedder to self-service his ego.
I like Pearl Jam's 3 first albums alright. But I could never place them in the same league as Nirvana, Soundgarden or AiC.
I think what it boils down to was being in a bubble of artsy fartsy alternative types. I think at the very beginning because Eddie was an outsider he was able to ingratiate himself into that group of guys fairly well. He had a rockstar Jesus Vibe going on, and I know the rest of the guys were very much into rock and roll and could Embrace Rockstar Jesus Jim Morrison type dude. But then once they got rich as hell I think he had some kind of realization that he was no longer going to be seen as authentic and having street cred. So he put on this act that may have survived through the 90s like you're tortured writing songs in your truck even though you have enough money to buy three mansions. When you're only window into their lives was Rolling Stone magazine or some other articles. Now you have the internet and we see how these people truly live. I think Eddie wanted to try to maintain his Ultra left-wing cred and street cred. I think they may have been making a genuine attempt to do so during the 90s but then at one point realized that they were Fading Into full-on obscurity. You're not going to be able to hang out with Michael Stipe or Neil Young if you fade into full on obscurity. I don't know much about Michael Stipe but I know that Neil Young and Eddie have a lot in common in terms of contradictions with regard to their worldview and their actual life
Kurt will talk about other bands surrounding themselves with people he wouldn’t like to talk to, yet he had a guy with the surname Goldberg as his manager…
I'm not the biggest Pearl Jam fan. Hell, I never bought an album after Ten. But I'd rather listen to someone chainsaw sheet metal for six hours straight than listen to Billy Corgan sing one song. I absolutely despise Smashing Pumpkins.
Ι could definitely live in a world without U2 or Pearl Jam...!!!
Say what you will about Pearl Jam. Probably 2/3's of their music isn't good the other 1/3 is GOLD. They made MILLIONS and are basically retired at 50. I'm still check to check at 54 years old.....
Why do we need to compare these bands. Can’t we just appreciate them individually. Being from Washington state and 18 years old in 1992 I loved this era of music. I just saw Pearl Jam in Seattle 8 months ago and although Eddys voice isn’t the same as it was when he was younger he still puts his heart into his performances. I’m so happy Eddy is still ALIVE.
He still lives in the same home in Seattle he has had for over 30 years although he is worth over 100 million dollars.
How many people do you know that are that rich and are down to earth normal people? Let’s not pretend money and fame don’t change people. I just enjoy the music
This is the most pretentious band ever. Their music is very dry, corporate and boring. You can't sing along and let's not mention the goat singing style. "Better mahhhaaan". "Jeremihhh"
She pees in colors, she pees in red,
Infecteded bladder mahhhaaan.
2 words: They blow
Those are awesome songs.
Pearl Jam is an incredibly boring band, but even I knew Girls Girls Girls was a trash album when it came out… when I was 8.
If anyone can remember
ANY band to hit from 91 thru 94 was considered by the media as Grunge or O.T.G. (other than grunge).
The fans knew the difference.
My question is,
What scene got overtaken by corporations quickest
Punk in the 70s
Or Grunge in the 90s?
grunge
they also rewrote stuff
No way Smashing Pumpkins challenges. Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Stp and Aic get all kinds of modern play. Not Smashing Pumpkins.