Bob, great tutorial - most of the other tutorials about Logic X Drummer do not even say that the beats can be edited. I also loved this thread for bringing out Cameron's suggestions of using the Step Editor to edit beats, and to alternatively separate each MIDI drum beat on to separate tracks. Thanks, once again.
I'd been trying to edit my drummer tracks for like an entire day and getting pretty frustrated about why it wouldn't work so this was exactly what I needed, thanks!
Copy the drummer region in Logic Pro X to a software instrument track. Use the same drum kit and channel strip settings if you want the software instrument track to sound the same as the drummer track. Use the piano roll editor to move drum hits, add or delete drums, quantize, or change velocity of individual notes. Be creative and have fun with it!
Hi Bob. Just a tip: You can easily convert the drummer region to midi by simply right clicking the drummer region, then select Convert => Convert to Midi Region. If you convert it back to a drummer region however, it will lose any edits you made to the midi.
Thanks Greg! If you are using the latest version of Logic Pro X you can right click (or control click) and select "convert to midi region". This will do the same thing with less steps. However, my technique in this video still works.
Great video! Can you drag the edited portions back to the drummer track after? It would be nice since you can break drummer down to all its individual drum tracks for mixing- eg snare track, overheads etc..
+Christopher L. No you can't drag the edited back to the drummer track but if you want to maintain the drummer track just copy the region instead of moving, leave the drummer track in place and mute it! However, if you load the drum kit designer as a multi-output instrument (instead of Stereo) you can mix the kit as you mentioned. A Multi-Output instrument allows you to hit the + button on that track (Mixer View) and add each drum to an aux track allowing to to mix each drum independently! Hope this helps...
Bob Sell Thanks again. Yeah, I was hoping when you do multi-output, we could then have the individual midi for each part isolated. But, I guess it doesnt work that way. Thanks for your help!
Hey man great video and great midi work keep up the great work and keep making great music I also do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel so keep making music and it sounds great keep it up
Invert selection??? Seriously. That little function will save me literally hours (maybe years). Thanks very much for that tip. The best of the year so far. P.S. I liked he bass line trick too. It matched the drums pretty well.
why complicate things? you can just right click on the drummer created piece of midi.. and select "convert".. then select "convert to midi".. and there you go.. it changes to a midi file.. easy... no need to copy and copy to another track etc... just a little tip ;-)
I definitely was not trying to complicate things. Obviously you can tell from the thumbs up that this has helped many people. When this video was posted, several years ago, that was the only option to edit the drummer region in the piano roll. However, with some later version the right click option became available and is now the better choice as you suggested. If you read my comments below you'll see that I have suggested your recommendation several times over the years as a better option. Thanks.
Not exactely.. There is 2 types of editing here. First you´ll have to decide the swing and feel, and roughly find the groove. Then you can convert to midi and fine edit. If you convert it back for some reason, all your piano roll works will disappear unless you make a copy. Are we nerds or what ? I am.
Hi Bob, I am new to using Logic. Previously I used EZ Drummer 1 on an old Cubase DAW. I now have a newish Mac and Logic Pro X, along with the EZ Drummer 2 and an expansion pack. My question is, when you go to select the instrument, (in this video's case, the Smash Kit) would I be able to select a kit from EZ Drummer 2, or does this method limit me to using only the Logic kits? Thanks for the video, I'll keep watching.
+Prem Nath just copy the original EQ and Compressor plugins from the Drummer track to the track you are editing. In the mixer window, you can click on the plugin while holding the Alt key and drag and drop a copy to another track. Hope this helps.
+Bob Sell Thanks so much for the reply (and the tutotial of course)! So, I guess by doing that we would bring the edited drum track back to the quality of the original "preset", right? By the way, how highly do you rate the quality of logic's drummer's sound vis-a-vis being close to the real thing.
+Prem Nath Yes, it would be exactly like the original drummer track! I think the drummer sounds amazing! However, midi drums will never replace the nuances of a real drummer. You can get it to sound really good if you program like a drummer plays. Vary the dynamics of the drum hits, don't quantize everything to the grid, don't do the impossible (unless you don't want to sound like a real drummer).
+Bob Sell Wasn't comparing to real drums as much as other drum softwares. But point taken. Yes, it sounds pretty good to my limited knowledge too :) Thanks a ton.
Hi and thanks! for answering some long held questions of mine. If I may ask one more.. is it possible to add notes to a drummer midi track (such as the one you created) using an external midi keyboard. I presume it is, so my real question would be.. would the quality of the added notes be the same as the original logic drummer notes. Not just quality, volume too. As you can imagine it would add even more possibilities in the ultimate goal of creating one’s own original drum tracks. Thanks again!
accentontheoff Yes it would be of the same quality but that depends on what you mean by quality. If you’re referring to velocity and after touch then that can be a little different depending on how you played it and assuming your keyboard transmits that type of data. However all of those parameters are can be edited later if necessary. Hope this helps.
very neat! i do remember though there being a more specific editor for the drums. I mean that theres a sort of piano roll that tells you which part of the drum specifically you are hitting instead of guessing with each piano key. Is that a plug in or is it built into logic pro?
basically it wont copy over to the software instrument to where i can get to the piano roll. sorry if i am making no sense. ive been doing this for only a couple months
+Tyler Twyford Tyler, just drag the drummer track "region" to a software instrument track. It doesn't matter if the software instrument track is blank, it should still show up as a region, (hold option key to make a copy) it just won't play anything until you assign an instrument to that track. You should be able to double click the region to open the piano roll editor. You can assign any instrument to this track. In my video I just assigned the same drum kit that was on the drummer track and then edited the drums with the piano roll. Hope this helps...
it took me forever to find this, all other videos just show off drummers presets, i have been using toontrack's stuff for a while but "drummer" sounds a lot better
midas touch Great! I like the drummer as well. I just wish they didn't bus in reverb and compression. I always have to undo that stuff. How can you apply reverb and compression without having the rest of the mix? Thanks for the comment!
I used your method before and created new software instrument track and copied the audio from drummer track and it went to piano roll. Today I tried the same thing but for some reason the drum track wont let me paste/move it into the software instrument track when I drag it. Help!
Just to clarify a couple of things. "Audio" as you called it, from the drummer track, is not audio at all. It's Midi information. But Logic dressed up the region to look like audio. I hate that they did that. So just want to make sure you are not dragging an audio track into a software instrument track cause that won't work. I know it's probably elementary for you but just thought I would check.
Bob Sell No the "audio track" I meant is the midi drum track that is created when I create a drummer region. I just dont get why I cannot drag and drop it on Software instrument region because the first time I tried it, it worked but not anymore so I dont get it 😕
Rodolfo Alberto Ridolfi ON the menu bar go to Logic Pro X - Preferences - Display - Editors (or Piano Roll) - Check “Bright Background”. Hope this helps.
Brilliant, I was hoping there was a way to do this. Thank you very much.
+Tim Stevens You're welcome Tim! Thanks for the comment!
Bob, great tutorial - most of the other tutorials about Logic X Drummer do not even say that the beats can be edited. I also loved this thread for bringing out Cameron's suggestions of using the Step Editor to edit beats, and to alternatively separate each MIDI drum beat on to separate tracks. Thanks, once again.
You're welcome! Glad you got something out of it!! Appreciate the comments!
I'd been trying to edit my drummer tracks for like an entire day and getting pretty frustrated about why it wouldn't work so this was exactly what I needed, thanks!
I'm glad this helped! Thanks for the comment!!
Thanks a lot!
You're welcome!
Thanks for the explanation with such clarity. Much appreciated.
+William Bell You're welcome! Thanks for the comment! All the best!
Copy the drummer region in Logic Pro X to a software instrument track. Use the same drum kit and channel strip settings if you want the software instrument track to sound the same as the drummer track. Use the piano roll editor to move drum hits, add or delete drums, quantize, or change velocity of individual notes. Be creative and have fun with it!
This is exactly what I have been looking for! Thank you and I hope you're well 🤘🏻
@@skynyrd66 Glad it was helpful!
Seriously amazing video!!
Thank you!
Brilliant on showing us how to create a bass line from the drummer track
You’re welcome. Thanks for the great comment!
Great lesson, Bob... It was exactly what I was looking for!
Álvaro Lemos Thank you for your comment!! I'm glad it helped you!
Hi Bob I'm just starting out with Logic and this was a great help. You're excellent at explaining. Thanks
Thanks Matt! Really appreciate the comment! Let me know if you need any help with Logic. Good luck!
excellent!
Nice and simple but powerful info!
Thanks!!
***** Thanks Chris, I appreciate your comment!!
Thanks for quick explanation. This still works 8 years later.
Glad it helped!
very practical way of editing. Thanks was what I needed. regards
Socrates Sánchez Glad it helped. Thanks for the comment!
Excellent video! I was wanting to do exactly what you taught last night and didn't know how to do it until now. Thanks.
Thanks Mike! It's always great to get positive feedback! Glad it helped your out. I appreciate the comment!
Perfect for what I was looking for!
Great! I like perfect!! Thanks.
Great! Exactly answers my questions. Exactly what I was desperately looking for. Thanx a lot.
Glad it was helpful!
Super helpful. Oh my gosh. Thank you!
Thanks Adam!
Thank you sir. Solid technique.
+Brad Sedbrook You're welcome. Thanks for the comment!
Excellent video. Thanks a lot!
Miguel Vergara Thank you for commenting! I appreciated your support!
Such an excellent video, Bob!
Thanks!
Thank you for that great comment! All the best to you and your music!!
Hi Bob. Just a tip: You can easily convert the drummer region to midi by simply right clicking the drummer region, then select Convert => Convert to Midi Region. If you convert it back to a drummer region however, it will lose any edits you made to the midi.
Nice shortcut! Thanks for the tip!!
hey Bob this is a very helpful video. thanks for the tutorial!
max alvarado Thanks Max! Glad you found it helpful!!
Excellent! thank you
Thank you!
That was a very good video Bob! I’m just getting into editing Drummer using the piano roll, so your video was very informative for me. Thanks!
Thanks Myron! Good luck with your musical journey!!
Bob Sell You’re welcome Bob. Thanks again.
great job, dig the way you explain things and to the point..
I appreciate that!
Great tutorial. Much appreciated.
Thanks David!!
This was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, helped a lot.
+Amar Sukman I'm glad you found this helpful! All the best! Thanks.
Excellent!
+Mike Demko Thanks Mike!
Thank you very much. This has help me out a lot.
+Kenny Nieves Great! Glad this helped you!
Just what I was looking for thanks bob
You’re most welcome!
Really good lesson; answered all my questions. thanks
Glad this helped!
EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED
Cool! Glad this helped!
Very good shortcuts 👍
Thanks
Really helpful video!
Great! Thanks!
Great! Really thank you very much!!!
You’re welcome!
Very useful thanks
***** Glad it helped! Thanks for the comment!
Cheers Bob. Ive watched many videos just looking for this :-)
Thanks Greg! If you are using the latest version of Logic Pro X you can right click (or control click) and select "convert to midi region". This will do the same thing with less steps. However, my technique in this video still works.
Thanks again Bob. Just what I was after !
Perfect! Just found your channel!
Welcome! All the best to you and your music!
Thanks for sharing Bob, I found it!
Please share more another secret in Logic Pro x.
That's really nice. Thnx!
Glad you like it!
Great video
Thank you!!
Love ur vids man, very helpful
Thank you Jorell!!
Great video! Can you drag the edited portions back to the drummer track after? It would be nice since you can break drummer down to all its individual drum tracks for mixing- eg snare track, overheads etc..
+Christopher L. No you can't drag the edited back to the drummer track but if you want to maintain the drummer track just copy the region instead of moving, leave the drummer track in place and mute it! However, if you load the drum kit designer as a multi-output instrument (instead of Stereo) you can mix the kit as you mentioned. A Multi-Output instrument allows you to hit the + button on that track (Mixer View) and add each drum to an aux track allowing to to mix each drum independently! Hope this helps...
Bob Sell
Thanks again. Yeah, I was hoping when you do multi-output, we could then have the individual midi for each part isolated. But, I guess it doesnt work that way. Thanks for your help!
this is fucking awesome! So easy to follow thanks from the uk!
I glad you found this awesome! Thank you!!
Bob Sell Thank you!
Thanks man
You're welcome!
Brilliant Bob, thanks a lot! ;-)
ziggystardust1983 I like the drummer but you just can't edit on the same level as the piano roll. Thanks for the comment!
very useful ty!
You’re welcome!
Hey man great video and great midi work keep up the great work and keep making great music I also do a lot of mixing and recording tips on my channel so keep making music and it sounds great keep it up
Appreciate it!
Bob Sell know problem man anytime keep up the great work
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thank You, great!
Invert selection??? Seriously. That little function will save me literally hours (maybe years). Thanks very much for that tip. The best of the year so far. P.S. I liked he bass line trick too. It matched the drums pretty well.
Glad you found this tips useful. You’ll find other great uses for it now that you know it there! Enjoy!!
thank you awesome
Little Bay Your welcome! Thanks for the comment!
why complicate things? you can just right click on the drummer created piece of midi.. and select "convert".. then select "convert to midi".. and there you go.. it changes to a midi file.. easy... no need to copy and copy to another track etc... just a little tip ;-)
I definitely was not trying to complicate things. Obviously you can tell from the thumbs up that this has helped many people. When this video was posted, several years ago, that was the only option to edit the drummer region in the piano roll. However, with some later version the right click option became available and is now the better choice as you suggested. If you read my comments below you'll see that I have suggested your recommendation several times over the years as a better option. Thanks.
allright.. in that case I apologize.. I stand corrected!
No worries mate, thanks for the tip just the same! All the best!
Not exactely.. There is 2 types of editing here. First you´ll have to decide the swing and feel, and roughly find the groove. Then you can convert to midi and fine edit. If you convert it back for some reason, all your piano roll works will disappear unless you make a copy. Are we nerds or what ? I am.
Thanks for this. I'm assuming this is also all relevant to Garageband too? Is it possible to edit in symbol choke/grabs?
I'm not a Garageband user but from what little I've seen, I don't think this will apply.
Thanks!
Thanks.
do you have any tutorials on mixing in the drummer from logic itself to sound more realistic?
No but great suggestion. Maybe I work on that soon! Thanks.
Great Drum sounds Bob! The Drummer sounds from logic could indeed use for a cd production right?
Yes, I think Apple did a great job with their drum samples and entire sound library!
Hi Bob, I am new to using Logic. Previously I used EZ Drummer 1 on an old Cubase DAW. I now have a newish Mac and Logic Pro X, along with the EZ Drummer 2 and an expansion pack. My question is, when you go to select the instrument, (in this video's case, the Smash Kit) would I be able to select a kit from EZ Drummer 2, or does this method limit me to using only the Logic kits? Thanks for the video, I'll keep watching.
No you are not limited to using logic kits. You can use any software instrument.
nice job dude! it's also a good way to learn how to make drum beats. thx a lot :)
Yes, excellent point. I have learned a lot by editing the drummer this way! Thanks for commenting.
Once done with editing, is it possible to get back the original EQ, compression etc settings. Or would I have to start from scratch.
+Prem Nath just copy the original EQ and Compressor plugins from the Drummer track to the track you are editing. In the mixer window, you can click on the plugin while holding the Alt key and drag and drop a copy to another track. Hope this helps.
+Bob Sell Thanks so much for the reply (and the tutotial of course)! So, I guess by doing that we would bring the edited drum track back to the quality of the original "preset", right? By the way, how highly do you rate the quality of logic's drummer's sound vis-a-vis being close to the real thing.
+Prem Nath Yes, it would be exactly like the original drummer track! I think the drummer sounds amazing! However, midi drums will never replace the nuances of a real drummer. You can get it to sound really good if you program like a drummer plays. Vary the dynamics of the drum hits, don't quantize everything to the grid, don't do the impossible (unless you don't want to sound like a real drummer).
+Bob Sell Wasn't comparing to real drums as much as other drum softwares. But point taken. Yes, it sounds pretty good to my limited knowledge too :) Thanks a ton.
right click the drummer track and select convert to midi.
Great info Bob! How i can mix the drums?
Thanks for the great comment Horst! Can you be more specific about what you’re looking for when mixing drums? I’ll try to help.
Hi and thanks! for answering some long held questions of mine. If I may ask one more.. is it possible to add notes to a drummer midi track (such as the one you created) using an external midi keyboard. I presume it is, so my real question would be.. would the quality of the added notes be the same as the original logic drummer notes. Not just quality, volume too. As you can imagine it would add even more possibilities in the ultimate goal of creating one’s own original drum tracks. Thanks again!
accentontheoff Yes it would be of the same quality but that depends on what you mean by quality. If you’re referring to velocity and after touch then that can be a little different depending on how you played it and assuming your keyboard transmits that type of data. However all of those parameters are can be edited later if necessary. Hope this helps.
Thanks for replying. The one time I remember trying it, it just didn’t sound as good.Hence the question.
Bob Sell Maybe there is a way to copy the settings exactly? I suspect it might be a bit much for a relative newbie. Would love a tutorial on this :)
very neat! i do remember though there being a more specific editor for the drums. I mean that theres a sort of piano roll that tells you which part of the drum specifically you are hitting instead of guessing with each piano key. Is that a plug in or is it built into logic pro?
Hots towel Try the step editor built into Logic Pro!
thank you
+Romeo Soroka You're welcome!
having problems with my drummer actually coping over to the software instrument layer.... help please... TIA.
+Tyler Twyford Can you give more details or post a video of what's going on?
basically it wont copy over to the software instrument to where i can get to the piano roll. sorry if i am making no sense. ive been doing this for only a couple months
i appreciate the help
+Bob Sell i dont know if it is bc i am using a blank software instrument or what.
+Tyler Twyford Tyler, just drag the drummer track "region" to a software instrument track. It doesn't matter if the software instrument track is blank, it should still show up as a region, (hold option key to make a copy) it just won't play anything until you assign an instrument to that track. You should be able to double click the region to open the piano roll editor. You can assign any instrument to this track. In my video I just assigned the same drum kit that was on the drummer track and then edited the drums with the piano roll. Hope this helps...
Thank u
You're welcome!
thanks bob :)
Claire B Your welcome!
Any idea how to do this with FL studio? I'm looking for a way to record my electronic drumset into MIDI but i can't figure out how.
I don't use FL Studio but try this. ua-cam.com/video/KxeG3abjid4/v-deo.html
Bob Sell that didn't really answer what i was looking for but still really helpful, thanks!
Bob Sell the other video on the piano roll did help so thanks again haha
Great! Thanks.
it took me forever to find this, all other videos just show off drummers presets, i have been using toontrack's stuff for a while but "drummer" sounds a lot better
midas touch Great! I like the drummer as well. I just wish they didn't bus in reverb and compression. I always have to undo that stuff. How can you apply reverb and compression without having the rest of the mix? Thanks for the comment!
I used your method before and created new software instrument track and copied the audio from drummer track and it went to piano roll. Today I tried the same thing but for some reason the drum track wont let me paste/move it into the software instrument track when I drag it. Help!
Just to clarify a couple of things. "Audio" as you called it, from the drummer track, is not audio at all. It's Midi information. But Logic dressed up the region to look like audio. I hate that they did that. So just want to make sure you are not dragging an audio track into a software instrument track cause that won't work. I know it's probably elementary for you but just thought I would check.
Bob Sell No the "audio track" I meant is the midi drum track that is created when I create a drummer region. I just dont get why I cannot drag and drop it on Software instrument region because the first time I tried it, it worked but not anymore so I dont get it 😕
OK got it! What happens if you right click on the drummer region and select convert to midi region?
That worked! Thanks man!!
You're welcome!
Hi. How do you copy as you are dragging/moving sections?
Hold the option key down while dragging
@@BobSell Cool! Thanks!
does this work with audi tracks as swell ?
No, it does not work with audio tracks.
hello bob
can you please just program drums for my track
Tempo, genre? Send me your tracks. Contact at selltechproductions.com
how i can bright the piano roll?
Rodolfo Alberto Ridolfi ON the menu bar go to Logic Pro X - Preferences - Display - Editors (or Piano Roll) - Check “Bright Background”. Hope this helps.
Dragging the drummer to a software instrument track doesn't work anymore. Or is that just mine?
Try right clicking on the drummer region and select convert then “convert to MIDI”.
You're the best! \\o//
Glad you found this useful!!
hi bob
Hello.
hows it goin?
Waste of time
Great video, thank you for the help!
Glad it helped!