This is not an official video, kinda ruined the song for me. Video wasn't even about Bathory. Ruined your reaction too as you were too focused on the images on the screen.
the video was made from scenes of the movie '"Countess Dracula" (a fictional telling of the Elizabeth Bathory story) and a scene from the movie "Hostel 2" in which a woman pays to live out a bathory fantasy or, given the location of the story being eastern europe, is actually Countess Bathory, still alive after centuries and still killing virgins to appear young, the director was vague and left it up to interpretation.
if they did they would get tobias pretending to be a ghoul or as Copia or whoever he will be at the time. I don't think Tobias as Tobias ever does ghost related interviews
Just like when the government was on a cult fest.. "were they naked". Sorry to be a sexist but its so stereotypical women to focus on the visual instead of the practical lol
Ghost apologist here. Ofc Ghost do not actually like cruelty and acts of violence. They are nice and wholesome people in person. The "... makes her one of us." is part of their act. It is satire of Catholicism and Satanism.
Yeah, there's this basic concept about poetry we learn in school, called the "speaker", which is basically the character behind the words written. It separates the poem from the poet. These two seem to confuse the author with the speaker.
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It's easy to get the "act" if you don't believe in the metaphysical mythos surrounding it. If you do, you buy it.
Christianity and the rest of the religious ritual is all an act, so of course these two don't understand it's pretend. It's real to them. And if you write something like this song, or named your band after a myth, then you must believe wholeheartedly in said myth! And you must be evil incarnate! Per VinAnd Sori. They're gullible people. I don't have any prejudice around this, despite what they feel. These two would fit well in with those during the Satanic Panic. I wonder if they even know of this particular era...?
@@Nope2022HugeTheWarningFan I loved it when Dee Snider went in and outclassed their asses about Album covers, lyrics, etc. I'm not sure of the date, but I was either not alive, or too young to have known about it when it happened, but it was fun to learn about it/watch it in HS about 15 years ago. That was when I really got into metal. I remember downloading music for my buddy, because he still had a shit internet connection. Heh, started ranting about nonsense there.
Elizabeth is an anglicized version of her name. Her Hungarian name is Erzsebet. She tortured and mutilated the girls and was suspected of cannibalism. Despite the bathing in blood being the main thing she is known for, it's not known fact. Those accounts emerged later and weren't considered to be reliable. They are possibly an embellishment of the story that she was caught in the act of torture and was covered in blood. This also may not have been true. The exact number of girls she killed isn't known. It was recorded it at 80 which I guess was the figure they knew definitively from accomplices testimonies and what they found. A servant girl claimed to have seen a record book listing the number of girls at 650 but the book was never found. Her family was extremely influential which is how she didn't receive a proper trial and the death penalty, instead being put under house arrest. She was kept in a set of brick rooms in the castle for 4 years and died there .... You should do Cradle Of Filth Cruelty And The Beast.
Excellent answer, accurate history facts and your points are on the spot, there´s no official account of how many girls she killed, and is all speculations and so glad you pointed how her is name is written in Hungarian few people knows that, and i agree much of her story is actual fiction but fascinating nonetheless. Really show us how dark our human nature can get sometimes. I agree you guys should check the cruelty and the beast album by cradle of filth, especially the song Bathory Aria you´d be surprise with that one.
Yeah, it's weird that the whole fountain of youth idea is as widespread as it is, though I guess it's powerful imagery to invoke a literal blood bath. But I personally find it much more disturbing if she killed dozens of servant girls not because she sought to stay young, but just because she wanted to. Makes her so much more menacing.
I agree. It is much more likely that her motivation was sadistic pleasure because she didn't just kill them, they were beaten, mutilated and had bite marks .... It's extremely disturbing.
obsourum Well, that she bathed in the blood is quite accurate. Because she had some manly servants as well, not only young girls. One of these men was arrested as well in the aftermath, and he told them she was a sick woman. I mean, they found torturedevices in the castle. They was only made on one purpose. Drain the blood from the victims. And the man said the truth, that she bathed in their blood, because she wanted to be forever young. This started when another servant that was kicked out from the castle, also a man, he saw her watching herself in the mirror, and her hand was not as smooth and young as usual. She accidentally cutted her self in her hand. She watched the blood, and in her thoughts her hand got smooth and young again. She saw the servant watching her, and in rage she kicked him out. So there was some servants that told the stories, mostly men. The downfall was a young girl, that had courage enough to escape from the castle, and she filled in the story about Erzebet, with the manly servants that had served her in the past. So therefor they got a quite accurate history about Erzebet. But did she ate the victims? NO! She did not. So yes, you saying there is no known facts she bathing in blood. But servants from her past, a girl managed to flee, both servants and that girl told the story she bathed in blood. And in the castle, they even found an Iron Maiden, dangling from the roof, and under it, it was a bathtub. Also facts from the local lawmen. So that is why they also has the story about the bathtub, and in many versions they let the lady bath in the tub with blood. Yes, the 650 killings, that is the only thing they don't know about. Theonly found about 80 graves around the castle's parameters. So perhaps, her goal was to kill 650 young girls and bath in their blood, would make Erzebet forever young and immortal. That was what stood in the book, but she never reached that goal, and only 80 was killed and burried. Only my theory though. Another fun fact is that Erzebet's history are twinned together with Vlad Dracul's history when it comes to the vampire Dracula? Vlad's cruelty was twinned together with Erzbet's lust for blood. Violà, the modern vampire was born. Well, I know Bram Stoker only talked about Vlad, but he later on said he heard the legend of Erzebet Báthory as well. So therefor they say that Erzebet was the very first vampire, and I guess you also know about Dracula's fine eye for a beautiful untouched maiden, with skin so pale and smooth like the moonlight. That he thirsted for her blood in an unusual way? Well, that was taken directly from Erzebet's history. Because she only bathed in virginblood. And her victims had a smooth silky pale skin, untouched by no man. And sure Vlad was bloodthirsty in his way, but Erzebet's bloodthirst was the reason Dracula became a bloodsucking vampire in Bram Stokers Dracula, and that if Dracula got injuried, or old and wrinkled because he did not drink blood for a while. Blood restores him to his youth, going from old to young again. Or perhaps that was made by Hollywood-vampires now days? They mixed Erzebets theory in there as well in series and movies about vampires indeed.
Hey guys. I really liked this reaction, can't wait for the next Ghost song. My opinion about the ''not understanding why highlighting Elizabeth and not the peasant girls'' part: First, because of what Vin said: There's a Bathory in all of us. The Vikings argument also applies. And second, because Sori understands Elizabeth's intentions even though she does not supports Elizabeth's actions. I think metal is in itself a message from the metal listener to the non-listener and the message could be: ''Don't hide. The world has some darkness in it. Let's face it''. OK. Thanks for the reaction again guys. Peace.
Cool. One of the three first songs Tobias wrote for his Ghost project. Yes back then it was only a project. These three were the songs that we're uploaded to MySpace long before he had any record deal and on these demos Tobias plays all instruments.
you're getting carried away, the line 'makes her one of us' is referring to the characters and narrative of the band Ghost, who are representatives of an evil religion in an alternate earth where the 'church' and its Papal figurehead Papa Emeritus and his sons have the same level of power and influence as the roman catholic church had during the middle ages.
I think she's such a big incon mainly due to the Darkness of the story. A lot of Metal revolves around darkness, especially early ghost songs. And Bathory being such a dark black metal band that her story just fits perfectly. And when the song states "makes her one of us" I think that it just represents that it makes her a human being. Simply because humans can be the pinnacle of evil and can do some sinister things given the opportunity . There are some figures of history that can be stated as pure evil, Bathory being one of those people, along with others such as Delphine lalaurie and Joseph mengele who also committed such sinister acts. Anyway this is just my opinion on the subject matter. The thing i have alwayd found intriguing is that we dont really know what is good and whats evil, its all based upon belief. We will never know whats right, we just have to believe that certain things are wrong. P. S Carach angren - the funerary dirge of a violinist 😛
Hi. Cradle of Filth released a concept album based on Elizabeth Bathory called “Cruelty and the Beast” its an amazing album. Never mind. I see you already know and mention it in the video. My bad.
band bathory dont have much with cruelty of elizabeth bathory, except the name. their first albums were start of black metal, involved with satanist topics but in more mythical and epic way. but later on, since beginning of 90s it became something very different, inspired with norse mythology and epic tales and history and nature. you should check their (his actually, quorthon was the man behind the band who did everything) work from that period (album hammerheart is my recommendation, anything from that album is just epic, in true sense of that word). quorthon (RIP) was a true artist, poet and philosopher. he was inspiration for so many viking, heavy, black and doom metal bands. he was one of a kind artist and musician. btw, great video, reaction and conversation afterwards. keep up great work.
Quorthon was a legend but he totally ripped off Venom in like every respect xD Still love him and Bathory! The first 4 plus the Nordlands are just perfection!
I suggested a Hammerheart complete album reaction plenty of times, even though my favourite is Blood, Fire, Death. As fans of the show Vikings, I think they would appreciate the conceptual narration of Hammerheart and the songs are manifold enought to keep them entertained. I think there are no real flaws on that album. It wouldn't even be the same with a real drummer.
Adi True, Bathory (Quorthon) was a great band with some stellar albums. On his third album there was actually on track about Elizabeth Bathory called “Woman Of Dark Desires”. One of his best songs. Truly proto black metal as it would sound in the Norwegian black metal scene during the early 90’s.
Quarthon got all of this satanic stuff from horror movies and comic books. I read an interview with him. He wasn't really satanic. He got bored with that and that's when they turned to the viking metal theme.
My favorite band, and my favorite react channel! I only discovered you guys a few months ago, but you guys have become my favorite channel. I absolutely love the respect to the bands and the thought that goes into these reactions. Keep it up!!
There is another version of this story. Hause of Bathory was really powerfull and had many political enemies that made up this story to start witch hunt and destroy her hause. She was just another victim of christians.
I'm hopeful you won't discard Bathory (the band) based off of its name! The tale of Elizabeth Báthory and the scenes out of Hostel that whoever made this video picked are horrific but Bathory was and still is one of the most influential metal bands of all time. Quorthon was incredibly talented and it's definitely worth a listen.
Light and shade, knowing about the deepest dark makes the light brighter. Pure good and evil doesn't exist at the end of the day she was human and chose the wrong path.
There's a genre of rap called horror core. The major players being Esham, and Natas. Possibly worth a reaction from you guys. Always enjoy your videos and discussions! Take Care!
As far as Elizabeth Bathory most scholars now believe that she was framed by Roman Emperor Matthais II and Gyorgy Thurzo. Elizabeth's husband, Ferenc, was a commander in Rome's war against the Turks and the Emperor owed quite a bit a money to the family after the wars end. Ferenc became ill and lost both his legs when he was 47 and then died when he was 48. When her husband died while Elizabeth legally owned the Bathory land and fortune the nobleman Gyorgy Thurzo was left in charge of it. After she rebuffed his his attempts to marry her, and thus seize control of their vast lands an wealth, he conspired with Lutheran minister to frame Elizabeth. The minister who had no known ties of any kind the family started filing reports about her "crimes" with every ecclesiastical secular court that would accept them. Eventually the rumors became so far spread that the Emperor ordered a full investigation and appointed Gyorgy Thurzo as the investigator. The investigation from the time it was ordered in Rome to the time when Gyorgy declared her guilty, in Hungary was only a single month. Elizabeth and her four closest servants were quietly arrested and the only people found being held prisoner in the castle were prisoners of war captured by her late husband when he fought against the Turks and were no worse off then POWs anywhere else in Europe. They were quickly put through a sham trial that included testimony acquired by torture and allowing evidence to be emitted but never actually presented in court. One servant girl was tortured by gouging out her eyes and cutting off her breasts in order to get her to provide incriminating testimony. The mythical 650 victims number came from an illiterate servant that claimed during the trial that Elizabeth kept a diary with the names of all her victims in it. The diary however was never presented in court and to this day there is no evidence that it every existed. The Emperor originally wanted everyone put to death (thus not only clearing his debt but allowing him to seize that land and fortune) but Gyorgy intervened and made a deal with Elizabeth and her oldest son. In exchange for her admitting to 36 specific deaths (which were the result of serving as an untrained doctor for the wounded during the Turk war) and wiping the Emperors debt only her servants would be put to death and she could pass her land and fortune onto her son instead of it all being seized the Emperor. The Emperor then handsomely rewarded Gyorgy for his "good deed" of helping to stop Elizabeth.
Katpocalypse Meow just what I came to say, she was also a relative of Vlad Dracul, who was also framed and made a monster after his death by his enemies.
Haven't heard about her being biologically related Vlad but it wouldn't surprise me with them being in the same region and how nobility like to only be with other nobles. Given that both of them were used as inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula I did see them being related in the literary sense. From what I know of Vlad he wasn't so much framed for things he didn't do but what he did do was exaggerated by his enemies to demonize him.
You said you dont hear rappers sing about this. Well let me educate you: Theres a genre called horrorcore within rap that has dark, diabolical almost psychodelical sounds with rappers rapping about evil deeds or satanism. It's birthplace is Memphis. Looking into Memphis underground rap you'll without a doubt find horrorcore. Which in truth, in sound and beats, is the precursor of modern trap.
I wouldn't even say there is a fascination in the metal community... there is a fascination in the whole human race. As mortals we are obsessed with death, its something that in one way or another will come for all of us. Fascination with death has occurred throughout human history.
This, there is a reason why stories about the apocalypse or serial killers are so populair, it scratches a innate itch that we banned from society (luckely)
Well said. Like I put in other comment, there is a dissonance in human nature of being disgusted by the morbid and the imoral, but still being curious about it. And it makes sense evolutionarily, you have to know what danger looks like to be able to avoid it.
I dont think you get why songs like this exist, there is "good and evil" and a lot of people believe that both are positive when there is balance so songs like this (at least for me) are to remind us that not everyone is a saint and that people don't necessarily have to try to be one
Never in my life have I listened to genres or specific songs purely based on the lyrical content. I'm just here for the music, the end product. Naturally same goes for Ghost. That doesn't mean though that I haven't founds lyrics that I've taken a special liking to for various reasons.
Also, to you wanting to know why she's celebrated, here's my two cents: I think it's because the origin of heavy metal comes from basically the same time period. There's a certain set of notes called "The Devil's triad" that were at one time outlawed because it went against music that was worship music of the church. You've heard them, it's the first three notes on guitar in Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath. So this type of music already has it's association with Satan. Move on history, and the earliest blues guitar players are rumored to have sold their soul to the devil to play guitar. Then move forward to Elvis and his beginnings, and how despite how popular he was, his music was widely regarded as sinful and sexual and that people shouldn't be listening. All the way up through bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones, all widely considered to have ties to the occult and mysticism, then through part two of America's satanic panic in the 80's and the PMRC and how evil metal was. They even had "De-Metalization" camps for people concerned their kids were in league with Satan for listening to heavy metal that they could send their kids to (Sorta like the "Pray the Gay Away" camps that are around now). Her being celebrated is the metal community's attempt to fly in the face of the rest of music and society in general to show how little they care for normal conventions of social norms. Add in the fact that Satanism now is mostly just anti-christian sentiment wrapped up in a satanic bow, it's done to be purposefully offensive to people in order to safeguard "outsiders" from coming into the metal community because it's been persecuted for so long. So since satanism has always been linked to metal, rock, blues and anything centered around around that triad, it's been adopted as a sort of decoration of the music since like Dracula, she's linked to satanism away from the music. I liken it to canonization of a Saint for the Catholic Church, or Knighthood for someone in England.
The footage from the bloodbath scene is from Hostel 2. Love this song from Ghost. Love all of their songs. I got to see them back in May of this year and in 2016 as well. Was fortunate to meet Tobias Forge after the show he was one of the nicest people that I have ever met.
firstly, I want to point out I'm Agnostic.. Secondly I also want to say I dont care what religion anyone is, i love people for their personality and how they are to other people. with that said, I love your channel! I've spend hours upon hours watching you're videos usually after work while playing a video game(2 monitors for the win) I like your take on the lyrics and just how cool you two are as a couple. I found you guys a few weeks ago from a ghost video. HUGE ghost fan
When he sings "One of us", I think he mean human beings, mankind. Man has in itself depths of cruelty, or thoughts, that most suppress. But given the right situation, a seemingly normal everyday kind person can turn into an sadistic evil person. Just see how war can transform a normal person to in many cases committing despicable acts of cruelty. Or just look what people are willing to do during starvation. Of course there are lots of people that would never stray into acts like this, no matter the circumstances, but this "demon" is inside "us" , human beings, mankind.
I’d watch some interviews with Tobias, you’ll see how much the act influences the production eventually. As far as the content of the song, I’d say our inherent selfishness as people can be absolutely ghoulish and darker than any historic text could’ve told us. Also, within most “Metal Communities”, most are actually atheist, satanism is just a front to piss off/shock folks. Most Satanists are also non-theistic, they don’t believe in the Christian antagonist, but moreso they believe in a hedonistic approach which means if you serve yourself, you’ll be happy which ends up making those around you happy, because they’re dealing with a happy person vs a dissatisfied person
I hardly think the song is a celebration to Elizabeth. When he sings: "She was an evil woman with an evil old soul. Piercing eyes emotionless a heart so black and cold", it doesn't have a ring of celebration.If he had sung: "She was an misunderstood, and wrongly portrayed lady, with a decent soul. Kind eyes and a loving heart, warm and embracing" , then it would be a celebration, and an effort trying to diminish her acts, and portray her in a favorable light.
I'm not entirely sure about the first two albums, but it's been stated that the albums Meliora and ghost's newest album Prequelle are concept albums. Meliora telling the story of the antichrist rising to prominance, while Prequelle is based on the plague. I do recommend checking out another song or two from prequelle, as it's (in my opinion) their best album, musically.
Mercyful Fate - Satan's Fall Ghost was heavily influenced by them for their first record. The only difference is MF didn't try to make it poppy and King Diamond (vocalist/songwriter) is a true Satanist and was good friends with Anton Levey. They were one of if not the first metal bands to use satanic imagery and lyrical content and King Diamond also influenced the black metal movement by his use of theatrics and corpse paint! This song has some of the best riffs ever!
I think I might be able to explain the lack of concern for the families and the celebration of Elizabeth to some extent. We don't really know those families. I mean, I'm sure they have offspring that are around today, but I don't know that those people even know how related they are to those victims. Most people don't really know their family tree beyond a few generations. On the other hand, Bathory is fascinating in that you have a horror story that is rooted in reality. It's a good horror story too. I would assume if we lived closer to that time and more in that region the way we discuss the situation would be different. Think about Columbine for a moment (weird that this comes up after the fireside). When it happened there was a lot of it in the media, but the people that celebrated it weren't the mainstream narrative. Now that time has passed and the immediacy of the situation is no longer present we talk about it almost like it's a story. Very few people still talk about how the families were effected, and given a couple generations I don't think anyone will because those people will be so far removed from the situation. As for the way Tobias Forge does melodies and metal? Blue Oyster Cult. Blue Oyster Cult is the band that Ghost is aping the sound of. 100%. I mean, Ghost sound more like Blue Oyster Cult than Greta Van Fleet sound like Led Zeppelin.
I wonder if Forge has a thing against the short “i” vowel sound: in “Square Hammer” he sings “clandest-eye-ne” and here he sings “el-eye-zabeth” And it’s not necessarily a Swedish thing because Quorthon pronounced Elizabeth just fine in “Woman of Dark Desires”
When Vin says that Bathory was like female version of Dracula, i remember a curiosity about Elizabeth Bathory that her family was, indeed, in the same monarch order that count Vlad Tepes (Dracula) was, it was called Order of the Dragon. The order was similar to the templar order and was founded in 1408 by the king of Hungary and her queen to protect the royal family. And some legends about them circles the order either.
I didnt feel a celebration of her in this song just a description of what she did but i agree victims are forgotten easily in society....or am i talking about crime today?
Why would you choose to watch a fan made video (that ruins the song) for this song and not watch the amazing official video for Rats? I love your channel, but sometimes the choice of videos makes me scratch my head. Anyway, please consider checking out Zenith by Ghost.
This video is so old you'll probably never see this, But Vin.. You were talking about not understanding the metal connection with Bathory, Borden, etc. It's actually pretty simple... Horror Movies. Heavy Metal has been linked to Horror films for the entirety of its existence. In fact, If like myself, you consider the first heavy metal band to be Black Sabbath... Then the entire concept for this style of music has its roots in horror films. The band were originally a blues band called "Earth".... But they were outside their rehearsal studio one day... that just happened to be across the street from a theater where a horror movie was playing, and there was a huge line of people going to see this "Scary" movie. This started a conversation between the members about how odd it is that people are so fascinated with being scared. So, they took that idea, and incorporated it into their music... and what is scarier than Satan? So, that's how the whole occult thing came into it. Plus Geezer Butler, the bassist, who wrote the majority of the lyrics, was a big fan of scary literature, and he was fascinated with the occult, read a lot of books on the occult, etc. But yeah... that was a big long way to say... the fascination with scary imagery and lyrical content and even the "scary" or "Spooky" sound of a lot of metal... all comes from that strange fascination with horror movies, books, etc. So there ya have it lol.
If I may make a suggestion, please look up "Elizabeth" by Kamelot. It's quite a different take on the subject matter, told from Elizabeth Bathory's perspective. It's also one of the most epic and majestic songs I've had the pleasure of hearing.
Its funny you know. Every time I come back from a mini holiday. The first thing I think of is " right, time to catch up on my vin and sori! "😂👍 Carach angren - the funerary dirge of a violinist 🤘
This is one of the few (if only, I may be incorrect), songs that is about a historical figure. Of course Ghost throws in their own satanic flair. But, ya I think these guys were more disturbed by the video smash up they saw.
Oh well, Elizabeth Bathory :D. The legend is really known internationally and mainly in metal community. a) Her castle was in Čachtice (Tchaktitse is the closest transcribtion), now in Slovakia. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čachtice b) She was the wealthiest noblewoman in medieval Hungary, and after death of her husband (who died fighting turkish invaders) she was accused of murdering young women to bathe in their blood to remain young. Thats the story told by the villagers and peasants. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Báthory That story is currenly considered to be not accurate. She was very wealthy woman and that story about murders was a ruse to take that wealth from her. "Normal murder" or "manslaughter" by a nobleman at that time would not be sufficient to make him imprisoned, so ... the accusation had to be wildly exxagerated and some witchcraft added to that. All the testimonies against her were taken... by torture, so we cannot know. Ultimately she was sentenced to house arrest in Čachtice castle. The peasant legend then say she was walled up in a castle tower, but that is not true. Yet... despite that, she still holds the Guiness record for being the most prolific mass murderess. If you even make your way to Slovakia, I will gladly show you the castle. :) Edit: I almost forgot. Elizabeth Báthory and her husband Ferenc Nádasdy had a son - Pál (Paul) who survived and the Nádasdy family still exists. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nádasdy_family
iam huge fan of ghost and huge fan of you guys, i love them. you reactions are the best on youtube. the next song react of ghost is "faith". cheers from Panamá
I know your channel focuses on the music and the lyrics especially, but I think you are missing out by not including the visual component of Ghost. One thing that sets Ghost apart is the theatrics and the story. I would love to see reaction videos of all their official music videos.
Hypocrisy is the best. One my fondest music memories is when our band was playing a festival that has a stage specifically for local bands. That allowed us to hang backstage. Spent so much time around Tägtgren since Hypocrisy played. Best dude ever. Met all of Behemoth as well. Shit was wild.
Antelano, I'm genuinely jealous. I would love to hang out with Peter and shoot the shit. Plus pick his brain on recording and engineering, he seems so down to earth, does he still own his village?
Helldriller, great live album. I would love to pick blood drenched, carved up, pleasure of molestation to see their reactions but I figured the other songs would give a little bit more for them to discuss.
I assume he still does. This was back in 2010. And we didn't talk about it. The only thing that sucked is that we were to young at the time to drink. So we couldn't enter the bars. Because, surely they spent more time there than in the general backstage area.
Basically metal used to talkin about dark aspects of the mankind. And if I judge in general hip hop or rap for example they could be very obsessed by drugs and be breakin the law.... And It's very disrespectful judged all the rappers and hip hop community.... Nobody is a pure soul guys. Neither you christians. You should tryin to analysis the begin of the Christianism raised by a lot of pagan inocent blood. I don't judge you guys but you are far away of what the metal is. Mixing history and another aspects of the clip in this case. Metalhead are not just "obssesed "by evilish things"... I felt offended personally. Sorry about my english but I cannot refuse to just gave my Point of my metalheart view. Hope that you really realizing that I not trying to offended any of you guys. But you have a wrong and twisted vision from the metal community. Just my humble and honest opinion. Greetings from Brazil.
Sori!!! I'm with you 💯 is it a reason why I get along more with males vs females. It makes me sad when we know we have to SUPPORT each other as sisters but jealousy, envy, competition amongst ourselves get the worst from us! And I just never understood that. #SupportOurSisters
And your point on attractiveness is very true....I worked in a machine shop when I was young and being covered in grease/ dressed like a guy on the way home, then go out a few hrs later on a Friday and have the same shopkeeper treat me totally different lol.
I am hungarian and i read a book about her. The book paint a different story: She was a victim of a political betrayal. They never found a single victim of her, but sentenced her without trial. As always every coin have a different side. I love you guys, even though you are on the oposite spectrum of life as me. Keep up the good work, and wish you the best!
This is not an official video, kinda ruined the song for me. Video wasn't even about Bathory. Ruined your reaction too as you were too focused on the images on the screen.
I think that too, especially Sori
Yikes!!! Your probably right damn it!!!! -Sori✌🏻
the video was made from scenes of the movie '"Countess Dracula" (a fictional telling of the Elizabeth Bathory story) and a scene from the movie "Hostel 2" in which a woman pays to live out a bathory fantasy or, given the location of the story being eastern europe, is actually Countess Bathory, still alive after centuries and still killing virgins to appear young, the director was vague and left it up to interpretation.
Agreed, very distracting clip, once I saw Hostel started playing I knew the song reaction would suffer quite a bit, lol.
Countess Dracula is about Elisabeth Nadasdy who is supposedly a child of Bathory. Neither that movie or Hostel 2 is about Bathory herself.
You guys are spoiling us with so much Ghost! I bet you guys could probably get Tobias Forge to do an interview. I’d definitely watch it!
There's no way
I'd be pleased even with some of the Nameless Ghouls.
That would be sweet! He seems like a real chill guy in the interviews.
XxSwiftlySmoothxX that would be awesome
if they did they would get tobias pretending to be a ghoul or as Copia or whoever he will be at the time. I don't think Tobias as Tobias ever does ghost related interviews
Summary:
Vin: "She killed like 600 people to bathe in their blood."
Sori: "Was she hot?"
lol
Just like when the government was on a cult fest.. "were they naked". Sorry to be a sexist but its so stereotypical women to focus on the visual instead of the practical lol
Bathory
Ghost apologist here. Ofc Ghost do not actually like cruelty and acts of violence. They are nice and wholesome people in person. The "... makes her one of us." is part of their act. It is satire of Catholicism and Satanism.
Yeah, there's this basic concept about poetry we learn in school, called the "speaker", which is basically the character behind the words written. It separates the poem from the poet.
These two seem to confuse the author with the speaker.
It's easy to get the "act" if you don't believe in the metaphysical mythos surrounding it. If you do, you buy it.
Christianity and the rest of the religious ritual is all an act, so of course these two don't understand it's pretend. It's real to them.
And if you write something like this song, or named your band after a myth, then you must believe wholeheartedly in said myth! And you must be evil incarnate! Per VinAnd Sori. They're gullible people. I don't have any prejudice around this, despite what they feel.
These two would fit well in with those during the Satanic Panic. I wonder if they even know of this particular era...?
@@Nope2022HugeTheWarningFan I loved it when Dee Snider went in and outclassed their asses about Album covers, lyrics, etc. I'm not sure of the date, but I was either not alive, or too young to have known about it when it happened, but it was fun to learn about it/watch it in HS about 15 years ago. That was when I really got into metal. I remember downloading music for my buddy, because he still had a shit internet connection.
Heh, started ranting about nonsense there.
@@ShiggyMiyamo Are you referring to the Satanic Panic?
Why would you guys choose this video some random person threw together with imagery like that? I felt it distracted from the song too much.
Jon T i believe it’s due to copy right issues
It actually fit the song perfectly
It seems Vin & Sori had never heard of "Hostel - Chapter 2" before. Well, now they have!
Elizabeth is an anglicized version of her name. Her Hungarian name is Erzsebet. She tortured and mutilated the girls and was suspected of cannibalism. Despite the bathing in blood being the main thing she is known for, it's not known fact. Those accounts emerged later and weren't considered to be reliable. They are possibly an embellishment of the story that she was caught in the act of torture and was covered in blood. This also may not have been true. The exact number of girls she killed isn't known. It was recorded it at 80 which I guess was the figure they knew definitively from accomplices testimonies and what they found. A servant girl claimed to have seen a record book listing the number of girls at 650 but the book was never found. Her family was extremely influential which is how she didn't receive a proper trial and the death penalty, instead being put under house arrest. She was kept in a set of brick rooms in the castle for 4 years and died there .... You should do Cradle Of Filth Cruelty And The Beast.
thank you! everything about her is mere conjecture.
Excellent answer, accurate history facts and your points are on the spot, there´s no official account of how many girls she killed, and is all speculations and so glad you pointed how her is name is written in Hungarian few people knows that, and i agree much of her story is actual fiction but fascinating nonetheless. Really show us how dark our human nature can get sometimes.
I agree you guys should check the cruelty and the beast album by cradle of filth, especially the song Bathory Aria you´d be surprise with that one.
Yeah, it's weird that the whole fountain of youth idea is as widespread as it is, though I guess it's powerful imagery to invoke a literal blood bath. But I personally find it much more disturbing if she killed dozens of servant girls not because she sought to stay young, but just because she wanted to. Makes her so much more menacing.
I agree. It is much more likely that her motivation was sadistic pleasure because she didn't just kill them, they were beaten, mutilated and had bite marks .... It's extremely disturbing.
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Well, that she bathed in the blood is quite accurate. Because she had some manly servants as well, not only young girls. One of these men was arrested as well in the aftermath, and he told them she was a sick woman. I mean, they found torturedevices in the castle. They was only made on one purpose. Drain the blood from the victims. And the man said the truth, that she bathed in their blood, because she wanted to be forever young. This started when another servant that was kicked out from the castle, also a man, he saw her watching herself in the mirror, and her hand was not as smooth and young as usual. She accidentally cutted her self in her hand. She watched the blood, and in her thoughts her hand got smooth and young again. She saw the servant watching her, and in rage she kicked him out. So there was some servants that told the stories, mostly men. The downfall was a young girl, that had courage enough to escape from the castle, and she filled in the story about Erzebet, with the manly servants that had served her in the past. So therefor they got a quite accurate history about Erzebet. But did she ate the victims? NO! She did not. So yes, you saying there is no known facts she bathing in blood. But servants from her past, a girl managed to flee, both servants and that girl told the story she bathed in blood. And in the castle, they even found an Iron Maiden, dangling from the roof, and under it, it was a bathtub. Also facts from the local lawmen. So that is why they also has the story about the bathtub, and in many versions they let the lady bath in the tub with blood. Yes, the 650 killings, that is the only thing they don't know about. Theonly found about 80 graves around the castle's parameters. So perhaps, her goal was to kill 650 young girls and bath in their blood, would make Erzebet forever young and immortal. That was what stood in the book, but she never reached that goal, and only 80 was killed and burried. Only my theory though.
Another fun fact is that Erzebet's history are twinned together with Vlad Dracul's history when it comes to the vampire Dracula? Vlad's cruelty was twinned together with Erzbet's lust for blood. Violà, the modern vampire was born. Well, I know Bram Stoker only talked about Vlad, but he later on said he heard the legend of Erzebet Báthory as well. So therefor they say that Erzebet was the very first vampire, and I guess you also know about Dracula's fine eye for a beautiful untouched maiden, with skin so pale and smooth like the moonlight. That he thirsted for her blood in an unusual way? Well, that was taken directly from Erzebet's history. Because she only bathed in virginblood. And her victims had a smooth silky pale skin, untouched by no man. And sure Vlad was bloodthirsty in his way, but Erzebet's bloodthirst was the reason Dracula became a bloodsucking vampire in Bram Stokers Dracula, and that if Dracula got injuried, or old and wrinkled because he did not drink blood for a while. Blood restores him to his youth, going from old to young again. Or perhaps that was made by Hollywood-vampires now days? They mixed Erzebets theory in there as well in series and movies about vampires indeed.
Nice Choice! Still holding out for "Monstrance Clock" maybe next time?
Michael Schroeder we all know what that song is about, if you've seen them live.
The rock in rio version with the whole crowd singing the chorus along.
Michael Schroeder i fucking love monstrance clock
Michael Schroeder it's rude but I call that song 'monsterous c##k'🤣
Hey guys. I really liked this reaction, can't wait for the next Ghost song.
My opinion about the
''not understanding why highlighting Elizabeth and not the peasant girls'' part:
First, because of what Vin said: There's a Bathory in all of us.
The Vikings argument also applies.
And second, because Sori understands Elizabeth's intentions even though she does not supports Elizabeth's actions.
I think metal is in itself a message from the metal listener to the non-listener and the message could be:
''Don't hide.
The world has some darkness in it.
Let's face it''.
OK. Thanks for the reaction again guys. Peace.
Cool. One of the three first songs Tobias wrote for his Ghost project. Yes back then it was only a project. These three were the songs that we're uploaded to MySpace long before he had any record deal and on these demos Tobias plays all instruments.
Tobias is truly an incredible mind
If you're going to keep doing Ghost you should do "From the Pinnacle to the Pit", by far my favourite song of theirs :)
Good one.
heck yeah Pinnacle! that and Deus in Absentia. I feel like DiA is a bit slept on
Dark Waters YES PLEASE
KhaosByDesign UK yikes... I would suggest against this...
ghost Witch Image
you're getting carried away, the line 'makes her one of us' is referring to the characters and narrative of the band Ghost, who are representatives of an evil religion in an alternate earth where the 'church' and its Papal figurehead Papa Emeritus and his sons have the same level of power and influence as the roman catholic church had during the middle ages.
I think she's such a big incon mainly due to the Darkness of the story. A lot of Metal revolves around darkness, especially early ghost songs. And Bathory being such a dark black metal band that her story just fits perfectly.
And when the song states "makes her one of us" I think that it just represents that it makes her a human being. Simply because humans can be the pinnacle of evil and can do some sinister things given the opportunity . There are some figures of history that can be stated as pure evil, Bathory being one of those people, along with others such as Delphine lalaurie and Joseph mengele who also committed such sinister acts. Anyway this is just my opinion on the subject matter. The thing i have alwayd found intriguing is that we dont really know what is good and whats evil, its all based upon belief. We will never know whats right, we just have to believe that certain things are wrong. P. S Carach angren - the funerary dirge of a violinist 😛
Drew Casling4321 agree. I see it just a human thing, being pure evil.
Miller yes
They finally watch an actual music video...and they choose some strange, non-official one that doesn't even make any sense? Huh.
Vin: “I couldn’t believe something corroborated by like 200 people”.
Also Vin: “Invisible sky man is REAL”.
lol, bern and a half
Yeah, Vin feels he thinks he's a thoughtful person.
Spotted the atheist.
@@DarkScorpionPete98no shit
Ghost- monstrance clock
Yes !
If they do that song, they should do the live version from Hellfest 2016.
Felipe Zimer yes!!
Hi. Cradle of Filth released a concept album based on Elizabeth Bathory called “Cruelty and the Beast” its an amazing album.
Never mind. I see you already know and mention it in the video. My bad.
band bathory dont have much with cruelty of elizabeth bathory, except the name. their first albums were start of black metal, involved with satanist topics but in more mythical and epic way. but later on, since beginning of 90s it became something very different, inspired with norse mythology and epic tales and history and nature. you should check their (his actually, quorthon was the man behind the band who did everything) work from that period (album hammerheart is my recommendation, anything from that album is just epic, in true sense of that word). quorthon (RIP) was a true artist, poet and philosopher. he was inspiration for so many viking, heavy, black and doom metal bands. he was one of a kind artist and musician. btw, great video, reaction and conversation afterwards. keep up great work.
Quorthon was a legend but he totally ripped off Venom in like every respect xD
Still love him and Bathory! The first 4 plus the Nordlands are just perfection!
I suggested a Hammerheart complete album reaction plenty of times, even though my favourite is Blood, Fire, Death. As fans of the show Vikings, I think they would appreciate the conceptual narration of Hammerheart and the songs are manifold enought to keep them entertained. I think there are no real flaws on that album. It wouldn't even be the same with a real drummer.
Adi True, Bathory (Quorthon) was a great band with some stellar albums. On his third album there was actually on track about Elizabeth Bathory called “Woman Of Dark Desires”. One of his best songs. Truly proto black metal as it would sound in the Norwegian black metal scene during the early 90’s.
Quarthon got all of this satanic stuff from horror movies and comic books. I read an interview with him. He wasn't really satanic. He got bored with that and that's when they turned to the viking metal theme.
Ivan Gushkov what you mean he ripped off Venom?
My favorite band, and my favorite react channel! I only discovered you guys a few months ago, but you guys have become my favorite channel. I absolutely love the respect to the bands and the thought that goes into these reactions. Keep it up!!
There is another version of this story. Hause of Bathory was really powerfull and had many political enemies that made up this story to start witch hunt and destroy her hause. She was just another victim of christians.
I only love 2 reaction channels on youtube, You two and Lost In Vegas!!!!!
Whoa! That’s pretty big !
funny you say that because I feel the same
monicajean37 Same here
Exactly how I feel!
Pretty much the same here. Some of the others have lost my interest.
I'm loving your Ghost reactions, guys! Keep at it! Landing an interview with Tobias would be absolutely EPIC!
I'm hopeful you won't discard Bathory (the band) based off of its name! The tale of Elizabeth Báthory and the scenes out of Hostel that whoever made this video picked are horrific but Bathory was and still is one of the most influential metal bands of all time. Quorthon was incredibly talented and it's definitely worth a listen.
Light and shade, knowing about the deepest dark makes the light brighter. Pure good and evil doesn't exist at the end of the day she was human and chose the wrong path.
Old Ghost still has the King Diamond feel to it. Big influence to Forge.
There's a genre of rap called horror core. The major players being Esham, and Natas. Possibly worth a reaction from you guys. Always enjoy your videos and discussions! Take Care!
Cardinal Copia's Love Slave Can’t you just stick to the positive comments instead of invalidating entire other genres? Some people like it ALL.
As far as Elizabeth Bathory most scholars now believe that she was framed by Roman Emperor Matthais II and Gyorgy Thurzo. Elizabeth's husband, Ferenc, was a commander in Rome's war against the Turks and the Emperor owed quite a bit a money to the family after the wars end. Ferenc became ill and lost both his legs when he was 47 and then died when he was 48. When her husband died while Elizabeth legally owned the Bathory land and fortune the nobleman Gyorgy Thurzo was left in charge of it. After she rebuffed his his attempts to marry her, and thus seize control of their vast lands an wealth, he conspired with Lutheran minister to frame Elizabeth. The minister who had no known ties of any kind the family started filing reports about her "crimes" with every ecclesiastical secular court that would accept them. Eventually the rumors became so far spread that the Emperor ordered a full investigation and appointed Gyorgy Thurzo as the investigator. The investigation from the time it was ordered in Rome to the time when Gyorgy declared her guilty, in Hungary was only a single month. Elizabeth and her four closest servants were quietly arrested and the only people found being held prisoner in the castle were prisoners of war captured by her late husband when he fought against the Turks and were no worse off then POWs anywhere else in Europe. They were quickly put through a sham trial that included testimony acquired by torture and allowing evidence to be emitted but never actually presented in court. One servant girl was tortured by gouging out her eyes and cutting off her breasts in order to get her to provide incriminating testimony. The mythical 650 victims number came from an illiterate servant that claimed during the trial that Elizabeth kept a diary with the names of all her victims in it. The diary however was never presented in court and to this day there is no evidence that it every existed. The Emperor originally wanted everyone put to death (thus not only clearing his debt but allowing him to seize that land and fortune) but Gyorgy intervened and made a deal with Elizabeth and her oldest son. In exchange for her admitting to 36 specific deaths (which were the result of serving as an untrained doctor for the wounded during the Turk war) and wiping the Emperors debt only her servants would be put to death and she could pass her land and fortune onto her son instead of it all being seized the Emperor. The Emperor then handsomely rewarded Gyorgy for his "good deed" of helping to stop Elizabeth.
Katpocalypse Meow just what I came to say, she was also a relative of Vlad Dracul, who was also framed and made a monster after his death by his enemies.
Haven't heard about her being biologically related Vlad but it wouldn't surprise me with them being in the same region and how nobility like to only be with other nobles. Given that both of them were used as inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula I did see them being related in the literary sense. From what I know of Vlad he wasn't so much framed for things he didn't do but what he did do was exaggerated by his enemies to demonize him.
Katpocalypse Meow yeah there are some accounts that say he was her great great uncle, but it’s definite that her grandfather fought in Vlads army.
Interesting, learn something new every day!
You said you dont hear rappers sing about this. Well let me educate you: Theres a genre called horrorcore within rap that has dark, diabolical almost psychodelical sounds with rappers rapping about evil deeds or satanism. It's birthplace is Memphis. Looking into Memphis underground rap you'll without a doubt find horrorcore. Which in truth, in sound and beats, is the precursor of modern trap.
I wouldn't even say there is a fascination in the metal community... there is a fascination in the whole human race. As mortals we are obsessed with death, its something that in one way or another will come for all of us. Fascination with death has occurred throughout human history.
And catholic in the first place ! ;)
This, there is a reason why stories about the apocalypse or serial killers are so populair, it scratches a innate itch that we banned from society (luckely)
Well said. Like I put in other comment, there is a dissonance in human nature of being disgusted by the morbid and the imoral, but still being curious about it. And it makes sense evolutionarily, you have to know what danger looks like to be able to avoid it.
As a avid Ghost fan, I think you did brilliantly with this review!!
My favourite Ghost song, how exciting!
Edit: Yikes, this video is a little more explicit than it really needed to be.
*Opeth - Moonlapse Vertigo*
*Burzum - Glemselens Elv*
For some melodic, emotional, mysterious, depressive, nostalgic metal.
I dont think you get why songs like this exist, there is "good and evil" and a lot of people believe that both are positive when there is balance so songs like this (at least for me) are to remind us that not everyone is a saint and that people don't necessarily have to try to be one
Never in my life have I listened to genres or specific songs purely based on the lyrical content. I'm just here for the music, the end product. Naturally same goes for Ghost. That doesn't mean though that I haven't founds lyrics that I've taken a special liking to for various reasons.
One day you guys will react to Zenith by ghost!
Zenith is a top 5 Ghost song musically and lyrically
fuck yeahh!!!
/u/zenithlover is that you?
Tyler no but I am a zenith lover lo l
Also, to you wanting to know why she's celebrated, here's my two cents:
I think it's because the origin of heavy metal comes from basically the same time period. There's a certain set of notes called "The Devil's triad" that were at one time outlawed because it went against music that was worship music of the church. You've heard them, it's the first three notes on guitar in Black Sabbath's Black Sabbath. So this type of music already has it's association with Satan. Move on history, and the earliest blues guitar players are rumored to have sold their soul to the devil to play guitar. Then move forward to Elvis and his beginnings, and how despite how popular he was, his music was widely regarded as sinful and sexual and that people shouldn't be listening. All the way up through bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones, all widely considered to have ties to the occult and mysticism, then through part two of America's satanic panic in the 80's and the PMRC and how evil metal was. They even had "De-Metalization" camps for people concerned their kids were in league with Satan for listening to heavy metal that they could send their kids to (Sorta like the "Pray the Gay Away" camps that are around now).
Her being celebrated is the metal community's attempt to fly in the face of the rest of music and society in general to show how little they care for normal conventions of social norms. Add in the fact that Satanism now is mostly just anti-christian sentiment wrapped up in a satanic bow, it's done to be purposefully offensive to people in order to safeguard "outsiders" from coming into the metal community because it's been persecuted for so long. So since satanism has always been linked to metal, rock, blues and anything centered around around that triad, it's been adopted as a sort of decoration of the music since like Dracula, she's linked to satanism away from the music. I liken it to canonization of a Saint for the Catholic Church, or Knighthood for someone in England.
The footage from the bloodbath scene is from Hostel 2. Love this song from Ghost. Love all of their songs. I got to see them back in May of this year and in 2016 as well. Was fortunate to meet Tobias Forge after the show he was one of the nicest people that I have ever met.
firstly, I want to point out I'm Agnostic.. Secondly I also want to say I dont care what religion anyone is, i love people for their personality and how they are to other people. with that said, I love your channel! I've spend hours upon hours watching you're videos usually after work while playing a video game(2 monitors for the win) I like your take on the lyrics and just how cool you two are as a couple. I found you guys a few weeks ago from a ghost video. HUGE ghost fan
When he sings "One of us", I think he mean human beings, mankind. Man has in itself depths of cruelty, or thoughts, that most suppress. But given the right situation, a seemingly normal everyday kind person can turn into an sadistic evil person. Just see how war can transform a normal person to in many cases committing despicable acts of cruelty. Or just look what people are willing to do during starvation. Of course there are lots of people that would never stray into acts like this, no matter the circumstances, but this "demon" is inside "us" , human beings, mankind.
Exactly, that's how view those lyrics.
Him saying makes her one of us is Mankind lust for staying young Not just GHOST the band
like Venom’s Countess Bathory better
I’d watch some interviews with Tobias, you’ll see how much the act influences the production eventually.
As far as the content of the song, I’d say our inherent selfishness as people can be absolutely ghoulish and darker than any historic text could’ve told us.
Also, within most “Metal Communities”, most are actually atheist, satanism is just a front to piss off/shock folks. Most Satanists are also non-theistic, they don’t believe in the Christian antagonist, but moreso they believe in a hedonistic approach which means if you serve yourself, you’ll be happy which ends up making those around you happy, because they’re dealing with a happy person vs a dissatisfied person
She has lived in castle Čachtice (Slovakia). I was there a few years ago.
There is no such thing as too much Ghost!
Love your reactions, Ghost especially, Love the Bath comparison!! 😊 Please do Death Knell, Ritual and Faith by Ghost!!!
Parkway Drive "crushed" attempt #65... I do love me some ghost but it's time for Parkway Drive lol
Yes! Crushed live, there are a lot of videos from their Festival- performances this year. It's a very good headbanging chorus as well
Late comment :
I wouldn't say there there is no rap that deales with that kind of things , you have "Necro" and "Dälek" for example .
I hardly think the song is a celebration to Elizabeth. When he sings: "She was an evil woman with an evil old soul. Piercing eyes emotionless a heart so black and cold", it doesn't have a ring of celebration.If he had sung: "She was an misunderstood, and wrongly portrayed lady, with a decent soul. Kind eyes and a loving heart, warm and embracing" , then it would be a celebration, and an effort trying to diminish her acts, and portray her in a favorable light.
Cradle of Filth - Nymphetamine (fix)!!
Nana Ubert NEVER!! :D
Heads up, nergal saw your video about the new behemoth song. He posted on instagram. He likes you guys a lot
I'm not entirely sure about the first two albums, but it's been stated that the albums Meliora and ghost's newest album Prequelle are concept albums. Meliora telling the story of the antichrist rising to prominance, while Prequelle is based on the plague.
I do recommend checking out another song or two from prequelle, as it's (in my opinion) their best album, musically.
I absolutely love Cradle of Filths concept album about Elizabeth Bathory. Its called Cruelty and the Beast. A masterpiece.
loved it as a teenager long time ago...
And where was God in all this Madness ? taking a coffe ;)
Mercyful Fate - Satan's Fall
Ghost was heavily influenced by them for their first record. The only difference is MF didn't try to make it poppy and King Diamond (vocalist/songwriter) is a true Satanist and was good friends with Anton Levey. They were one of if not the first metal bands to use satanic imagery and lyrical content and King Diamond also influenced the black metal movement by his use of theatrics and corpse paint! This song has some of the best riffs ever!
I couldn't stop laughing while watching your reaction to the video :DD
I think I might be able to explain the lack of concern for the families and the celebration of Elizabeth to some extent. We don't really know those families. I mean, I'm sure they have offspring that are around today, but I don't know that those people even know how related they are to those victims. Most people don't really know their family tree beyond a few generations. On the other hand, Bathory is fascinating in that you have a horror story that is rooted in reality. It's a good horror story too. I would assume if we lived closer to that time and more in that region the way we discuss the situation would be different.
Think about Columbine for a moment (weird that this comes up after the fireside). When it happened there was a lot of it in the media, but the people that celebrated it weren't the mainstream narrative. Now that time has passed and the immediacy of the situation is no longer present we talk about it almost like it's a story. Very few people still talk about how the families were effected, and given a couple generations I don't think anyone will because those people will be so far removed from the situation.
As for the way Tobias Forge does melodies and metal? Blue Oyster Cult. Blue Oyster Cult is the band that Ghost is aping the sound of. 100%. I mean, Ghost sound more like Blue Oyster Cult than Greta Van Fleet sound like Led Zeppelin.
I wonder if Forge has a thing against the short “i” vowel sound: in “Square Hammer” he sings “clandest-eye-ne” and here he sings “el-eye-zabeth”
And it’s not necessarily a Swedish thing because Quorthon pronounced Elizabeth just fine in “Woman of Dark Desires”
EPICA - Consign to Oblivion (Live at the Zenith)
When Vin says that Bathory was like female version of Dracula, i remember a curiosity about Elizabeth Bathory that her family was, indeed, in the same monarch order that count Vlad Tepes (Dracula) was, it was called Order of the Dragon. The order was similar to the templar order and was founded in 1408 by the king of Hungary and her queen to protect the royal family. And some legends about them circles the order either.
React to Death Knell by Ghost, that would be a good discussion!
I didnt feel a celebration of her in this song just a description of what she did but i agree victims are forgotten easily in society....or am i talking about crime today?
Why would you choose to watch a fan made video (that ruins the song) for this song and not watch the amazing official video for Rats? I love your channel, but sometimes the choice of videos makes me scratch my head. Anyway, please consider checking out Zenith by Ghost.
This video is so old you'll probably never see this, But Vin.. You were talking about not understanding the metal connection with Bathory, Borden, etc. It's actually pretty simple... Horror Movies. Heavy Metal has been linked to Horror films for the entirety of its existence. In fact, If like myself, you consider the first heavy metal band to be Black Sabbath... Then the entire concept for this style of music has its roots in horror films. The band were originally a blues band called "Earth".... But they were outside their rehearsal studio one day... that just happened to be across the street from a theater where a horror movie was playing, and there was a huge line of people going to see this "Scary" movie. This started a conversation between the members about how odd it is that people are so fascinated with being scared. So, they took that idea, and incorporated it into their music... and what is scarier than Satan? So, that's how the whole occult thing came into it. Plus Geezer Butler, the bassist, who wrote the majority of the lyrics, was a big fan of scary literature, and he was fascinated with the occult, read a lot of books on the occult, etc. But yeah... that was a big long way to say... the fascination with scary imagery and lyrical content and even the "scary" or "Spooky" sound of a lot of metal... all comes from that strange fascination with horror movies, books, etc. So there ya have it lol.
If I may make a suggestion, please look up "Elizabeth" by Kamelot. It's quite a different take on the subject matter, told from Elizabeth Bathory's perspective. It's also one of the most epic and majestic songs I've had the pleasure of hearing.
Luis Rosa - Seconded
Its funny you know. Every time I come back from a mini holiday. The first thing I think of is " right, time to catch up on my vin and sori! "😂👍
Carach angren - the funerary dirge of a violinist 🤘
Slayer- Dead Skin Mask!
Oh yes, thats a perfect song
This is one of the few (if only, I may be incorrect), songs that is about a historical figure. Of course Ghost throws in their own satanic flair. But, ya I think these guys were more disturbed by the video smash up they saw.
Avenged Sevenfold - A Little Piece of Heaven
Oh well, Elizabeth Bathory :D. The legend is really known internationally and mainly in metal community.
a) Her castle was in Čachtice (Tchaktitse is the closest transcribtion), now in Slovakia.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Čachtice
b) She was the wealthiest noblewoman in medieval Hungary, and after death of her husband (who died fighting turkish invaders) she was accused of murdering young women to bathe in their blood to remain young. Thats the story told by the villagers and peasants.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Báthory
That story is currenly considered to be not accurate. She was very wealthy woman and that story about murders was a ruse to take that wealth from her. "Normal murder" or "manslaughter" by a nobleman at that time would not be sufficient to make him imprisoned, so ... the accusation had to be wildly exxagerated and some witchcraft added to that.
All the testimonies against her were taken... by torture, so we cannot know. Ultimately she was sentenced to house arrest in Čachtice castle. The peasant legend then say she was walled up in a castle tower, but that is not true.
Yet... despite that, she still holds the Guiness record for being the most prolific mass murderess.
If you even make your way to Slovakia, I will gladly show you the castle. :)
Edit:
I almost forgot. Elizabeth Báthory and her husband Ferenc Nádasdy had a son - Pál (Paul) who survived and the Nádasdy family still exists.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nádasdy_family
I've seen Ghost live a couple of days ago. I have never chanted so hard for Satan in my entire life!
KlumpatschSchneider 🐐
I know... great fun. Doesn't mean shit though. I'm an atheist and don't believe either in God or Satan.
Satan sucks.
Yeah, I'm pagan and don't really believe in Satan per say, but I sing Year Zero out loud.
There is also a fascination in the human community with the horror movie genre. A good percentage of the population is drawn to the macabre.
Damn I was just listening to this song! One of my favorite Ghost songs
The whole blood thing in metal came straight from Gene Simmons and Alice Cooper. Every band since has adopted and tried to one up the horror aspect
I came for Ghost, but stayed for Satan.
Iron Maiden "The Sign of the Cross" Live Rio 2001 for epicness!
iam huge fan of ghost and huge fan of you guys, i love them. you reactions are the best on youtube. the next song react of ghost is "faith". cheers from Panamá
Sounds very king diamond Melissa merciful fate is my proof
And that means they should react to some Merciful fate or King Diamond.
Helldriller Yes! They need some Merciful Fate/King Diamond
Ghost first album is a sad rip off of Mercyful Fate.
Mercyful Fate - Satan's Fall or The Old Oak would be amazing!
rbsayegh31 I love that about this song. It really does sound like King Diamonds early years
Respect for doing an older Ghost track. I love their classic stuff. Disturbing but well put together fan vid.
At the Gates- Slaughter of the Soul
Metal doesn't "celebrate" characters like Bathory it is fascinated with the horror of them
You guys should do Bathory Aria by Cradle of Filth.
I commented earlier. wanted to stress that I feel like your videos are important, and help show not all believers are closed to the world.
Cradle of Filth - Bathory Aria
I know your channel focuses on the music and the lyrics especially, but I think you are missing out by not including the visual component of Ghost. One thing that sets Ghost apart is the theatrics and the story. I would love to see reaction videos of all their official music videos.
HYPOCRISY - Dead Sky Dawning, Adjusting the Sun, Alive, War Within, Tales of the Spineless, or Compulsive Psychosis!!!
Some Hypocrisy is needed, Penetralia from 10 years of chaos and confusion would be my pick.
Hypocrisy is the best. One my fondest music memories is when our band was playing a festival that has a stage specifically for local bands. That allowed us to hang backstage. Spent so much time around Tägtgren since Hypocrisy played. Best dude ever. Met all of Behemoth as well. Shit was wild.
Antelano, I'm genuinely jealous. I would love to hang out with Peter and shoot the shit. Plus pick his brain on recording and engineering, he seems so down to earth, does he still own his village?
Helldriller, great live album. I would love to pick blood drenched, carved up, pleasure of molestation to see their reactions but I figured the other songs would give a little bit more for them to discuss.
I assume he still does. This was back in 2010. And we didn't talk about it. The only thing that sucked is that we were to young at the time to drink. So we couldn't enter the bars. Because, surely they spent more time there than in the general backstage area.
Let me say, she didn't killed anyone.
She Was a victim from the Habsburger people. They Just took her whole Land after she Was "gone" 😉
Basically metal used to talkin about dark aspects of the mankind. And if I judge in general hip hop or rap for example they could be very obsessed by drugs and be breakin the law.... And It's very disrespectful judged all the rappers and hip hop community.... Nobody is a pure soul guys. Neither you christians. You should tryin to analysis the begin of the Christianism raised by a lot of pagan inocent blood. I don't judge you guys but you are far away of what the metal is. Mixing history and another aspects of the clip in this case. Metalhead are not just "obssesed "by evilish things"... I felt offended personally. Sorry about my english but I cannot refuse to just gave my Point of my metalheart view. Hope that you really realizing that I not trying to offended any of you guys. But you have a wrong and twisted vision from the metal community. Just my humble and honest opinion. Greetings from Brazil.
What’s the “good reason” as to why you won’t listen to anything off of the new Ghost album?
React to Batushka already.
Priest Fans was just about to comment that 😂
Such an amazing BM album
Shimshon Goldsmith l just don't know why they're wasting their time over-analyzing a band that's intended to be a tongue in cheek joke lol
Or cult of fire.
Yakteniya V for sure. The problem, maybe, are the lyrics
Priest Fans of course a Priest fan would say that lmao
Sori!!! I'm with you 💯 is it a reason why I get along more with males vs females. It makes me sad when we know we have to SUPPORT each other as sisters but jealousy, envy, competition amongst ourselves get the worst from us! And I just never understood that. #SupportOurSisters
Death-Lack of Comprehension
And your point on attractiveness is very true....I worked in a machine shop when I was young and being covered in grease/ dressed like a guy on the way home, then go out a few hrs later on a Friday and have the same shopkeeper treat me totally different lol.
Now that you mentioned Bathory, you should react to The Lake by Bathory
SilencedAlien Amazing song!
SilencedAlien I throw my eyes into the lake!
Love your Ghost Reactions!!
One of the best Ghost tunes...
Frollickinginthemist foralleternity for me it's the song that i fell in love with Ghost. Best representation of Elizabeth Bathory
i have been waiting for this!!!!
I am hungarian and i read a book about her.
The book paint a different story: She was a victim of a political betrayal. They never found a single victim of her, but sentenced her without trial.
As always every coin have a different side.
I love you guys, even though you are on the oposite spectrum of life as me. Keep up the good work, and wish you the best!
Life eternal ghost
K N that's a tear jerkee
I want Life Eternal played at my funeral. No joke. Such a beautiful song
Some people are obsessed with staying young. I’m obsessed with your beeping smoke detector. Can’t you hear it? *CHIRP!*
Burzum - Lost Wisdom and Dunkelheit
I feel that the English language is a gift from satin himself.. , if you listen to some music backwards you can hear twisted messages!!🤔
YES!!