I've always liked these oddball calibers. In fact, during the cimedmacS, I picked up a CZ 457 Lux in .17HMR, because that was about the only caliber I was seeing on the shelves. Didn't need it, but now I have it.
That's the irony. Common and popular calibers are the first to dry up during panic buying. But the oddballs are still around. Always a good back-up option.
Good shooting! Pushed 400 yards! Very efficient 'pistol caliber'. Basically 223 short. Try lubing the chamber for 'sticky' casings. Straight walled bottle neck case fire forms. Can also try polish the chamber if it's rough or parkerized inside. Good for handloaders. Parent case is 223 rem. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM. Can also use other .22 cal / .224" projectiles. Try the M1911 double stack pistol in 22TCM. Good range review I'll share this video 👍
@@KevinSchable my grandfather and uncle owned Winchester lever action rifles One in 25-20 and one in 32-30. By today's standards they We're sub power rounds. Yet, Year after year they harvested Deer with them. Unfortunately I didn't inherit either rifle.
@@BuckeyeBallistics If Rock Island Armory won't do it maybe we could pitch it to Hi Point after all they recently did 30 super carry which is almost a wildcat cartridge.
I think the problem is that Rock Island won't let anyone make anything .22TCM, which is why they (Rock/Armscor) are the only ones who make the ammo and chamber guns for .22TCM. They're not letting anyone else buy into the market and pay them royalties to utilize their creation. You can't just copy someones trademarked copyrighted design without paying them royalties to do so (and with their permission) unless you want sued bigtime.
Armscor says that the 9R is only supposed to be used in pistols made for 9mm size ammo. The original .22 TCM was made to use in 1911's that were originally 9mm, but with a .22 TCM conversion kit. The 9mm 1911's still had .45 ACP length magazines, which they took advantage of. When they started making conversion kits for Glock 9mm's, they had to make the 9R version to fit in the 9mm length magazine. They changed the chamber slightly in the 9R kits. I have a MAPP .22TCM 9R. It's basically a CZ75 in .22 TCM 9R made by Armscor. Was really glad I had it during COVID. It quickly became the cheapest pistol ammo out there. Price went up eventually, though.
Yes exactly. 22TCM 40gr long slug was made for 38 super mags. It's about 3mm longer than 9mm. OAL won't fit in popular 9mm Glock mags. The 39gr '9R' is the short slug. OAL is shorter to fit in 9mm mags. Both are still 22TCM case just different slugs / projectiles. That's the irony. Common and popular calibers are the first to dry up during panic buying. But the oddballs are still around. Always a good back-up option.
Get the dings out. Use a damp rage. Lay the rage on the wood and use an iron slowly rube over the dents they should pop right out. Will look like new. Have a good evening.
I'm still posting all the time, did 8 videos in the last 30 days- it''s just not always a gun review (guns are expensive lol). .22TCM *would* be cool in a carbine- between a 5.7 and 5.56...
So, from what I understand, Rock Island was making their 1911's in a combo with two barrels and slides that would cycle the standard ammo just fine. It wasn't until they made a Glock conversion that the OCL became an issue. The fix was the development of the "R" designated ammo. All they did 2as take the same projectile in the standard ammo and flip it backward. The reason for the inaccuracy is that the bullet isn't designed to go backwards, and shooting from a Glock, long range accuracy wasn't a concern.
Close and you're on the right track. 40gr is the long slug, OAL of 38 super M1911 mags. '9R' is 39gr short slug, OAL of 9mm to fit Glock mags. Martin Tuason the President and CEO said in a product video "We flipped the bullet backwards for shorter OAL and made the 9R". Likely where that came from. He was speaking off the cuff in layman's terms. Its not backwards it's a stubby hollow point with flat base. You can look up pick of the projectiles. My theory for the inaccuracy is different QC of ammo from Philippines and US, and poor projectile design. A friend with M1911 double stack said he found the US made 40gr, and 39gr 9R, ammo had split cases and less power. He mainly shoots the 40gr both PH and US made. I've only used the PH made 40gr ammo. Also both have very different nose points. The stubby 9R isn't as aerodynamic as a longer or pointier shape. Handloaders have a had great results with better powders and projectiles. Eg: the Speer 22cal/.224" 40gr spire soft point is more accurate. Pointy 223 rem rifle projectile. And faster burning magnum powders worked well. Would like to see more handload data from 22TCM rifles. But they're not that common yet.
I own an M22tcm and a M1911 A2 ms hc ( medium size, high capacity) You'll find that the 22tcm9r was designed to fire from 9x19 mags. The " r " in 22tcm9r stands for rebated ....a 39 gr. bullet seated deeper into the casing hence 22tcm9r ( rebated ). My M22tcm rifle has the fully adj. polymer stock. I had the barrel professionally shortened to 16.5 inches with a 17 degree target crown . While i like both guns , i bought a Ruger lc Carbine in 5.7x28 and a PSA Rock . I'm thinking of selling the M22tcm and 250 rounds on Gunbroker because the State i live in doesn't allow small game hunting with anything but rimfire ammunition.
That sounds great and exactly what I wanted. Emailed RIA that feedback for a 16.5" barrels version. Can still keep it for fun and training. 22TCM is half the price of FN 5.7mm. And slightly cheaper than bulk pack 223 rem at $0.40 a round. If you handload even cheaper as parent case is 223 rem. Very difficult to reload FN 5.7mm and basically not viable.
Having nearly the same ballistics as the 22 Hornet is interesting but what makes it a truly modern version of that caliber is that, for handloaders, the brass is far more durable. Hornet brass is very thin around the neck and cases usually split after 3-5 loadings regardless of the care taken. TCM brass can be easily loaded 10x without issues, with proper technique. It makes for a fantastic high volume varmint round inside 200-300 yards due to its relatively small powder charge. I wish RIA would produce more of these guns.
Yes you get it and all good points. 22TCM is open source. Parent case is 223 rem / 5.56 NATO so will never die. Agree RIA should have supported it better. You can get AR DI uppers in 22TCM. McGowen Precision and 'Tim The AR Guy' both offer AR15 DI gas barrels. Can get a complete AR upper, or just the barrel and build your own. But will need TCM/pistol cal conversion mags. KAK also make a direct blow back AR upper with 8.6" barrel.
So, ballistically this thing is essentially a rimless .22 hornet. That 's a good idea because the rimmed case of the .22 hornet doesn't feed reliably from a box magazine.
I have an M22tcm with the fully adj. polymer stock . I had a gunsmith shorten the barrel to 16.5 inches with a 17 degree target crown. If you want the gun and 250 rounds I'll sell it for $400 + $50 shipping
In a pistol I don't have any use for it but in a rifle, this is an extremely efficient cartridge. It just never took off like the 5.7 did and it's a shame as (IMO) it's a better design. This is an ideal cartridge for the reloader as it can be downloaded to light 22 Mag velocities or hot loaded to shoot varmints out past 200 yards. Virtually no recoil, very little muzzle blast, good accuracy and if you reload a pound of powder will last a lonnnnng time. The case is rimless and made for substantial pressure and these are 2 items the 22 Hornet struggles with along with availability. I would love to see other manufacturers chamber rifles for it, but it just doesn't have to popularity to make them a profit so it's unlikely to happen
I see you're getting caught up on some videos, appreciate your support. Yeah it outperforms 5.7x28 in every way except capacity- it could do the whole armor thing too if there were more ammo choices for it (or handload). Quite a bit more powerful than 5.7 from a long barrel, and still a smidge more from the 5" barrels...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Love the channel. Been subscribed for a few years and watched nearly every video but lately there's a lot of stuff going on with my family. Less free time. Let's see some more testing with this little rifle in the future. I would bet any of your loyal reloaders would be happy to make up some loads for it.
@@BuckeyeBallistics Nice!!! That will make for some great content. I've watched his channel for a few years too. Great stuff there too. A very knowledgeable man in machining, guns and reloading.
You're spot on. Very efficient 'pistol' cartridge. Basically 223 short. 22TCM is open source. Parent case is 223 rem so will never die. Agree RIA should have supported it better. You can get AR DI uppers in 22TCM. McGowen Precision and 'Tim The AR Guy' both offer AR15 DI gas barrels. Can get a complete AR upper, or just the barrel and build your own. But will need TCM/pistol cal conversion mags. KAK also make a direct blow back AR upper with 8.6" barrel.
Nice and thanks for sharing. Maybe his rifle or mag had QC issues. 22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Parent case is 223 rem / 5.56mm NATO, open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
The rifles are so hard to find because Armscorp shipped them with terrible barrels and most were recalled. They designed a tackycool version but I don’t think it was ever released as I have never found one for sale. The batch of rifles yours came from were the only ones made and haven’t been available since a year after it was released. Armscorps never got SAAMI specs for the 22TCM so no one else will touch it.
I have one of the tacticool rifles. The stock is amazing, it looks super cool. It doesn't shoot worth a damn though. My dad and I ran a bore scope through the barrel, and it's full of chatter marks, and super inconsistent. I was never able to get it to print better than 6-7 inches at 100 yards. I even sent Armscor an email about it, and they basically told me that was normal. Since then I cannibalized the scope for my 22 mag and it just sits in the safe collecting dust.
@@MosinMaster that was the problem with the original rifles as well. I will keep an eye out for one knowing I will have to rebarrel it or jut get a Contender barrel.
@@charlesmckinley29 I really wanted it to shoot well. It's a cool caliber, but with Armscor holding the patents and the lack of SAMII data, it's basically doomed. Which is really sad because it has a ton of potential. I guess I will have to find a good local gunsmith to replace my barrel...
Im sure its using a much faster burning powder than 223, probably a pistol powder. I load reduced loads for varmits, and with 9.5 grains of unique i can push a 40gr bullet about 2800ish fps, there is zero recoil, no need for hearing protection, sounds about like a .22 mag, and its absolute deadly on rockchucks and ground squirrels with a noticeable reduction in range. You get a lot of loads from a pound of powder, and the barrel never really gets warm, all the powder burns up in the first few inches. If you ever want to try this, start at around 7 grains and work up, the pressure can spike very quickly using fast powder, also weigh each charge and dont use a block, weigh seat bullet, accidentally double charging will most likely have a catastrophic result, there is a lot of data out there for blue dot and unique, ive also used green dot, my best results were with unique as far as consistency.
Yes both are still 22TCM case. Just different slugs or projectiles for shorter OAL. The 40gr long slug is 38 super OAL and just a tad longer. The '9R' 39gr is 9mm OAL.
Just a bit of a correction here. when discussing the power, it appears you've conflated muzzle velocity with power. Just assuming the numbers you give are correct, 223 with a 55gr @2900fps (this is slow, its more like 3100fps) vs the 22tcm with a 40gr at 2800 fps, the "power" or more correctly, the energy at the muzzle is 634 fpe for a 40 grain bullet traveling at 2800 fps, compared to 935 fpe for a 55 grain bullet traveling at 2900 fps. 223 with a 55gr is going a bit faster, at least 3100 fps, which is more like 1069 fpe. Interestingly, your observation that the case capacity is about half of the 223, so you expect about half the "power"---i.e., muzzle energy---was just about spot on. Most 223 and 556 "hunting" loads are loaded to about 1,200 fpe muzzle energy, which is just about double of the 22 tcm's 630ish fpe of muzzle energy. Pretty nifty little cartridge!
40gr at 2800fps is 696fpe according to my calculator, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting 634fpe from. Similarly, 55gr at 2900fps is 1027fpe, not 935fpe as you stated. Regardless of whether you use my numbers or yours, that *IS* "about 3/4" the power of a 2900fps 55gr .223 bullet as I stated in the video. And yes I'm aware there are faster and more powerful .223 loads, but some are in fact 2900fps with a 55gr bullet- PMC Bronze that I shoot for example...
Depends on the batch. I shot the bulk 40gr factory ammo in a M1911 pistol with 5" barrel had powder spilling and big fireballs as muzzle flash. The internals were covered in unburned powder. I think slow burning powder in that ammo. Handloaders used faster burning pistol powders and more reliable. Reduced the spilling and better performance all round.
You should pull the bolt out and wipe it off real good then put a few drops of gun oil on the bolt. Put it back in and roll it a few times like your shooting except leave the mag out.
I am pretty positive I have some brass cased .22 TCM.....haven't shot it for a while though and getting old. LOL. I get tired of trying to find the brass so I don't shoot it much.
Search online. Ammo Supply Warehouse has cases of 22TCM ammo for $0.32 a round. Both 40gr, and 39gr (9R) options. There is no shortage. Half the price of FN 5.7mm. And slightly cheaper than bulk pack 223 rem at $0.40 a round. They also have brass/nickel cases. Parent case is 223 rem so you can always form your own.
The "need" was for the pistol platform which is what it was originally released for if I'm not mistaken, perhaps to dethrone the 5.7x28 which it did in a sense (more powerful). I think the rifle was a "just because" afterthought- allthough as I pointed out in the video, there are actually a few advantages to this cartridge in a rifle over the .223...
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem, open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM. Wiki article explains it, including reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
@@BuckeyeBallistics I was thinking heavier bullets with a more rounded tip for Capercaillie shooting, which is something we do in Scandinavia and Finland.
Yes it's been done by handloaders. Basically 22TCM improved. Look up '5.56x24mm'. A sharper case shoulder helps reliability and allows more projectiles to be used. It's '223 short' so common .22 cal /.224" projectiles work.
Initially no. Depends on the batch and time period. Bulk factory ammo was slower rifle powder. You can tell straight away in a pistol. The powder 'spills' covering the internals with unburned powder. Also the massive fireballs as muzzle flash. Handloaders improved reliability and overall performance by using faster pistol powders. I passed on this feedback to RIA Armscor. Not sure if and when they acted on it.
@@BuckeyeBallistics - thanks but I am looking for a basic, low cost, bolt action 9 mm rifle not a custom made rifle or a lever action. Nobody makes one, incredible as it may seem.
The wind is confusing down here in this valley, like a vortex and constantly changing direction. Numerous times I have seen it blowing 3 different directions from where the shooter is to the end.
Still gave you a like for the video, but you said half the energy of the 5.56×45mm NATO round. It's closer to the 5.56×45mm NATO round giving 3.38 times the ENERGY of the .22 TCM. Think you were going by velocity which is not the same. Still liked the video though. Thanks
Actually I said 3/4- I said I would expect half the power, but it's more like 3/4 the power is what I said in the video. Appreciate the like even though you thought I was wrong, but the .22tcm from the rifle is 697fpe and the .223 load I shoot is 1027fpe. So yeah, that's pretty close to 3/4 the power just like I said, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting the whole 3.38x thing from. Care to elaborate? Yes there are more powerful .223 and 5.56 loads than what I quoted, but nowhere near 3.38 times more power than the .22tcm- that would be 2355fpe which is is WAY more powerful than any 5.56 load...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Now seems the difference is like X 1.85. If you can make sense of that. Should come back to delete my post later. Thanks Should have stiffed myself this time.
I don't the the pressure is any higher, I'm sure they accounted for that with a slightly revised powder charge. Maybe just the difference in lot #'s and build dates, I'm not sure.
My $500.00 Walther WMP 22 mag pistol is the same way. But my Taurus Tx competition and Keltec P17 NO play whatever. When I contacted Walther and told them they had a design flaw they said it was normal. No more Walther firearms for me.
been trying to find one of these for 2 years contacted Rock Island/ armscor supposedly still in production but are unobtainable for some reason, nobody has them and nobody can get them talked to RI distributors and dealers nobody can get them and can't tell me why , almost ready to give up !!!!
That magazine isn't supposed to do that. Mine is flush when in the rifle. Rock Island has a different model 1911 that shoots those short bullets. Not supposed to shoot those shorty bullets through the rifle or 1911 pistol that's made for the 22tcm rounds. It leads up the chamber being a shorter round and causes a ring to form making your right rounds for the rifle want to hang up. I won't shoot those short rounds through my rifle or my handgun.
Good feedback and thanks for sharing. It was good he tested both factory ammo types. More data points from the rifle. I haven't seen anyone else document and post it until now. BTW have you tried lubing the chambers of both your rifle and pistol?
@robertwilliams2623 you would love one. I bought the 1911 Rock Island pistol to go with my rifle but I bought the combination model with the extra spring and barrel to shoot 9mm out of my pistol. I love it.
Good eye. Yeah I usually don't when I'm the only one down there, especially in these rifle videos because I'm contantly running back and forth from the bench to the targets down there when I have the opportunity to do so instead of waiting an hour in-between for other shooters. I can't call a cease-fire every 10 minutes to move targets lol.
@maxmoody - It would be great for kids that are afraid of the loud blast and even the mild recoil of .223, because it's quieter and lighter recoiling. Would also be good for ruduced range/ricochet concern that .223 has with it's generally heavier and longer bullets. Not that .223 carries much energy very far, but this cartridge definately has reduced worry about ricochetes traveling as far. It's basically a light/reduced power .223 load, so whatever that would be good for. So yeah it may not be very practical, but it's fun to shoot and a nice conversation piece...
So from what I've gathered, the .22 tcm is like the best 5.7, but at half the price. I see no reason to choose the 5.7 over this round. Can anyone explain otherwise?
22TCM is for 1911's and the 22TCM9R is for Glock handguns. The regular 22TCM is about 2100fps out of a 5" 1911 fwiw. Naturally the regular 22TCM is a tad hotter and is what I would shoot out of 1911's and the rifle. There is No need for the special Glock 22TCM ammo in your case.
Yes exactly. 22TCM 40gr long slug was made for 38 super mags. It's about 3mm longer than 9mm. OAL won't fit in popular 9mm Glock mags. The 39gr '9R' is the short slug. OAL is shorter to fit in 9mm mags. Both are still 22TCM case just different slugs / projectiles. I don't know about either being 'hotter'. Both ammo had the same velocities from 5" pistols from the tests I've seen. But it's possible, rolling changes over time.
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem. Open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
223rem shooting a 55gr bullet is more like 3200-3300 out a bolt gun. And honestly just get a 221 fireball you can get quality components and lots of data available
@@BuckeyeBallistics ok PMC is kinda garbage, hornady, nosler and Barnes all list 55gr 223 at 3100 plus, Barnes and hornady both above 3200. And for us handloads it is super easy to get 3300 with many different powders. There is also a huge difference between a 40gr bullet and 55gr bullet in a 22 cal.
Just because it's slower doesn't mean it's garbage- that's like saying a Honda is garbage because it's not as fast as a Ferrari. And yes I'm well aware others are faster, I do this for a living...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I’m not saying it’s garbage cause it’s slow I’m saying it garbage cause of the quality lol. You cherry picked the slowest 223rem ammo to use as a comparison saying it’s right there with a 223 which it is not. Also comparing a 40gr to a 55gr is like comparing a 150gr 30 cal to a 190gr. They are in different classes. I’m not an AR guy so I don’t look for the cheapest ammo on the market to mag dump into a berm.
@@BuckeyeBallistics don’t think I’m hating on you at all. I enjoy gun content on UA-cam but let’s keep it apples to apples and realistic. Thats all I’m getting at.
I had a glock conversion for a g17. Just about every case stuck in the chamber. It was super inaccurate. I wanted to like it but its terrible. Sorry rock island.
@@BuckeyeBallistics yeah bro. They exchanged my 1000 Rd case of ammo three times. They even sent a new barrel. I'm glad your rifle is good. It's awesome 😎
It uses a .308 brass and that way it has the ability to withstand a lot more pressure. The only real issue is the bullets are round nose. Spirepoint would be about the same as the .222 Rem.
It's parent case is the .223/5.56, and you can even see in the video when I put them side by side that the cases are the same width- .308 is much wider...
@@BuckeyeBallistics All the brass I've measured is the same as the small rifle primed .308 match and that was from nearly 30 years ago. Never saw the use in this since the .221 Rem is a better more stable cartridge and I can get rifles and handgun for it with a twist of 1-12, down to 1-8 and it stabilizes bullets from 30 to 69 grain way out farther than the TCM could dream of. The 5.7X28 is far and away better, and I hate that round. My Ruger M77 in .22 Hornet is superb if I can do my part well out to 400-450 yards. I run it with the Hornady 35 gr VMAX and they expand well out past the 350 yard mark. I like it over the other .22 center-fire rounds in closer range and areas where farm animals could get injured from the ultra high velocity fragments of a .221, .222/.223, .22-250, .220 Swift, .22 ARC, .22 creedmore, .22 Valkyrie or other calibers. We try to help the farmers, not ruin them. The .22tcm was meant to be a defensive round but failed miserably.
@@PaulGriffin-ox1gp not sure what you are looking at. The TCM 1911s come with two barrels. One 9mm and 1 TCM barrel and uses the SAME magazine for both. A 9mm and a .308 will not fit in the same mag. You must be thinking about something else.
RIA has made many thousands of 22TCM 1911 pistols in 4,25" and 5" in single stack or doublestack and still does so I dont see it fading that fast. You can buy 1200 pc cases of primed brass or fully loaded ammo too fwiw. Its a great target shooting pistol for new shooters that are bored with the 22LR IMHO. Probably make a great rabbit or squirel gun too. Its really more known as a Pistol round his assumptions about the round are incorrect it not really known for rifle very much.
@PatriotPaul - I stated in the video that it was far more popular in the pistol and that there weren't many videos of the rifle (which again proves it's not popular in the rifle, even though the rifle makes it SO much more powerful...)
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem. Open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
Finally, somebody tested this rifle at longer range. Thank you brother
I've always liked these oddball calibers. In fact, during the cimedmacS, I picked up a CZ 457 Lux in .17HMR, because that was about the only caliber I was seeing on the shelves. Didn't need it, but now I have it.
That's the irony. Common and popular calibers are the first to dry up during panic buying. But the oddballs are still around. Always a good back-up option.
Good shooting! Pushed 400 yards! Very efficient 'pistol caliber'. Basically 223 short. Try lubing the chamber for 'sticky' casings. Straight walled bottle neck case fire forms. Can also try polish the chamber if it's rough or parkerized inside. Good for handloaders. Parent case is 223 rem. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM. Can also use other .22 cal / .224" projectiles. Try the M1911 double stack pistol in 22TCM. Good range review I'll share this video 👍
I updated the 22TCM Wiki article, including reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
I always wanted a 22 hornet. This cartridge. Nicely fiils the
Niche of the old school rounds
Like the Zipper and Bee.
I love the Bee and Fireball. Wouldn't mind a Zipper someday. Have the dies and brass.....haven't located the rifle or barrel yet.
@@KevinSchable my grandfather and uncle owned
Winchester lever action rifles
One in 25-20 and one in 32-30.
By today's standards they
We're sub power rounds. Yet,
Year after year they harvested
Deer with them. Unfortunately
I didn't inherit either rifle.
The published ballistics of the .22 TCM and the .22 hornet are almost identical.
@@itsapittie If I remember correctly the hornet maxed
Out with A 45 grain bullet
At 2500 fps. Not a barn burner
But super fun to shoot.
@@billbertagnoli4226 some of the published data for .22 hornet shows a 40 grain bullet at 2,826 fps, which is almost identical to this cartridge.
Wish they would make a semi auto 22TCM RIFLE.
Agreed
@@BuckeyeBallistics
If Rock Island Armory won't do it maybe we could pitch it to Hi Point after all they recently did 30 super carry which is almost a wildcat cartridge.
I think the problem is that Rock Island won't let anyone make anything .22TCM, which is why they (Rock/Armscor) are the only ones who make the ammo and chamber guns for .22TCM. They're not letting anyone else buy into the market and pay them royalties to utilize their creation. You can't just copy someones trademarked copyrighted design without paying them royalties to do so (and with their permission) unless you want sued bigtime.
The 556 is going 3300 fps with a55 grain bullet
@@DeerHunter-dp8uy depending on barrel length…
Armscor says that the 9R is only supposed to be used in pistols made for 9mm size ammo. The original .22 TCM was made to use in 1911's that were originally 9mm, but with a .22 TCM conversion kit. The 9mm 1911's still had .45 ACP length magazines, which they took advantage of. When they started making conversion kits for Glock 9mm's, they had to make the 9R version to fit in the 9mm length magazine. They changed the chamber slightly in the 9R kits. I have a MAPP .22TCM 9R. It's basically a CZ75 in .22 TCM 9R made by Armscor. Was really glad I had it during COVID. It quickly became the cheapest pistol ammo out there. Price went up eventually, though.
Yes exactly. 22TCM 40gr long slug was made for 38 super mags. It's about 3mm longer than 9mm. OAL won't fit in popular 9mm Glock mags. The 39gr '9R' is the short slug. OAL is shorter to fit in 9mm mags. Both are still 22TCM case just different slugs / projectiles. That's the irony. Common and popular calibers are the first to dry up during panic buying. But the oddballs are still around. Always a good back-up option.
That would be an awesome cartridge for small game
Get the dings out. Use a damp rage. Lay the rage on the wood and use an iron slowly rube over the dents they should pop right out.
Will look like new. Have a good evening.
Thanks for the tips, think I've heard this before.
Dang dude… haven’t seen you in a long time. Good to see ya back. Awesome little round. Would dig having it in a carbine like that.
I'm still posting all the time, did 8 videos in the last 30 days- it''s just not always a gun review (guns are expensive lol). .22TCM *would* be cool in a carbine- between a 5.7 and 5.56...
It's basically a new version of the 22 Hornet! Same bullet weight and pretty close to the sane velocity.
I said that towards the end of the video 😉
So, from what I understand, Rock Island was making their 1911's in a combo with two barrels and slides that would cycle the standard ammo just fine. It wasn't until they made a Glock conversion that the OCL became an issue. The fix was the development of the "R" designated ammo. All they did 2as take the same projectile in the standard ammo and flip it backward. The reason for the inaccuracy is that the bullet isn't designed to go backwards, and shooting from a Glock, long range accuracy wasn't a concern.
Good take, except the back of the standard bullet wouldn't be rounded like that with a hollow point in it 🤷🏻♂️
WRONG.....
22tcm9r is a 39 gr. bullet while 22tcm is a 40 gr. bullet.
it's NOT the same bullet seated backwards.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Close and you're on the right track. 40gr is the long slug, OAL of 38 super M1911 mags. '9R' is 39gr short slug, OAL of 9mm to fit Glock mags. Martin Tuason the President and CEO said in a product video "We flipped the bullet backwards for shorter OAL and made the 9R". Likely where that came from. He was speaking off the cuff in layman's terms. Its not backwards it's a stubby hollow point with flat base. You can look up pick of the projectiles. My theory for the inaccuracy is different QC of ammo from Philippines and US, and poor projectile design. A friend with M1911 double stack said he found the US made 40gr, and 39gr 9R, ammo had split cases and less power. He mainly shoots the 40gr both PH and US made. I've only used the PH made 40gr ammo. Also both have very different nose points. The stubby 9R isn't as aerodynamic as a longer or pointier shape. Handloaders have a had great results with better powders and projectiles. Eg: the Speer 22cal/.224" 40gr spire soft point is more accurate. Pointy 223 rem rifle projectile. And faster burning magnum powders worked well. Would like to see more handload data from 22TCM rifles. But they're not that common yet.
Sure is cool when the circle comes back around!❤❤❤
I own an M22tcm and a M1911 A2 ms hc ( medium size, high capacity)
You'll find that the 22tcm9r was designed to fire from 9x19 mags.
The " r " in 22tcm9r stands for rebated ....a 39 gr. bullet seated deeper into the casing hence 22tcm9r ( rebated ).
My M22tcm rifle has the fully adj. polymer stock. I had the barrel professionally shortened to 16.5 inches with a 17 degree target crown .
While i like both guns , i bought a Ruger lc Carbine in 5.7x28 and a PSA Rock .
I'm thinking of selling the M22tcm and 250 rounds on Gunbroker because the State i live in doesn't allow small game hunting with anything but rimfire ammunition.
That sounds great and exactly what I wanted. Emailed RIA that feedback for a 16.5" barrels version. Can still keep it for fun and training. 22TCM is half the price of FN 5.7mm. And slightly cheaper than bulk pack 223 rem at $0.40 a round. If you handload even cheaper as parent case is 223 rem. Very difficult to reload FN 5.7mm and basically not viable.
I found your channel from Boomstick several months ago, great guy.👊
Having nearly the same ballistics as the 22 Hornet is interesting but what makes it a truly modern version of that caliber is that, for handloaders, the brass is far more durable. Hornet brass is very thin around the neck and cases usually split after 3-5 loadings regardless of the care taken. TCM brass can be easily loaded 10x without issues, with proper technique. It makes for a fantastic high volume varmint round inside 200-300 yards due to its relatively small powder charge. I wish RIA would produce more of these guns.
Yes you get it and all good points. 22TCM is open source. Parent case is 223 rem / 5.56 NATO so will never die. Agree RIA should have supported it better. You can get AR DI uppers in 22TCM. McGowen Precision and 'Tim The AR Guy' both offer AR15 DI gas barrels. Can get a complete AR upper, or just the barrel and build your own. But will need TCM/pistol cal conversion mags. KAK also make a direct blow back AR upper with 8.6" barrel.
I love that sound. Just PEWS
So, ballistically this thing is essentially a rimless .22 hornet. That 's a good idea because the rimmed case of the .22 hornet doesn't feed reliably from a box magazine.
I've wanted that rifle for years but can't find one.
I have an M22tcm with the fully adj. polymer stock .
I had a gunsmith shorten the barrel to 16.5 inches with a 17 degree target crown.
If you want the gun and 250 rounds I'll sell it for $400 + $50 shipping
Ooh KEWL!!! ❤❤
Energy is 1/2×mass×(velocity)^2.
22 TCM has 68% energy of .223. 22 Mag has 23% energy of 22 TCM.
My weird fascination with small bore centerfires is what got me to watching Boomstick🤣🤣🤣👊
You may find the Wiki article helpful. There's reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
In a pistol I don't have any use for it but in a rifle, this is an extremely efficient cartridge. It just never took off like the 5.7 did and it's a shame as (IMO) it's a better design. This is an ideal cartridge for the reloader as it can be downloaded to light 22 Mag velocities or hot loaded to shoot varmints out past 200 yards. Virtually no recoil, very little muzzle blast, good accuracy and if you reload a pound of powder will last a lonnnnng time. The case is rimless and made for substantial pressure and these are 2 items the 22 Hornet struggles with along with availability. I would love to see other manufacturers chamber rifles for it, but it just doesn't have to popularity to make them a profit so it's unlikely to happen
I see you're getting caught up on some videos, appreciate your support. Yeah it outperforms 5.7x28 in every way except capacity- it could do the whole armor thing too if there were more ammo choices for it (or handload). Quite a bit more powerful than 5.7 from a long barrel, and still a smidge more from the 5" barrels...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Love the channel. Been subscribed for a few years and watched nearly every video but lately there's a lot of stuff going on with my family. Less free time.
Let's see some more testing with this little rifle in the future. I would bet any of your loyal reloaders would be happy to make up some loads for it.
Well I have a gel test planned but that's about it. But now that you mention it, I might be able to work something out with CW Longshot...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Nice!!! That will make for some great content. I've watched his channel for a few years too. Great stuff there too. A very knowledgeable man in machining, guns and reloading.
You're spot on. Very efficient 'pistol' cartridge. Basically 223 short. 22TCM is open source. Parent case is 223 rem so will never die. Agree RIA should have supported it better. You can get AR DI uppers in 22TCM. McGowen Precision and 'Tim The AR Guy' both offer AR15 DI gas barrels. Can get a complete AR upper, or just the barrel and build your own. But will need TCM/pistol cal conversion mags. KAK also make a direct blow back AR upper with 8.6" barrel.
Buy yourself a 15 round 22tcm magazine that's made for the 1911 model pistol, it works really well in the rifle. I know this because i own both.
Greg Cote has 28rd mags as well.
Nice and thanks for sharing. Maybe his rifle or mag had QC issues. 22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Parent case is 223 rem / 5.56mm NATO, open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
No quirks with my rifle and I love it.
Awesome! You may find the Wiki article helpful. There's reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
The rifles are so hard to find because Armscorp shipped them with terrible barrels and most were recalled. They designed a tackycool version but I don’t think it was ever released as I have never found one for sale. The batch of rifles yours came from were the only ones made and haven’t been available since a year after it was released.
Armscorps never got SAAMI specs for the 22TCM so no one else will touch it.
I saw a couple of the Tacticool rifles with the black stocks and the pistol grips in the stock for sale.
@@KevinSchable can you tell me where? According to RIA they have no date for restocking them. Thank you.
I have one of the tacticool rifles. The stock is amazing, it looks super cool. It doesn't shoot worth a damn though. My dad and I ran a bore scope through the barrel, and it's full of chatter marks, and super inconsistent. I was never able to get it to print better than 6-7 inches at 100 yards. I even sent Armscor an email about it, and they basically told me that was normal. Since then I cannibalized the scope for my 22 mag and it just sits in the safe collecting dust.
@@MosinMaster that was the problem with the original rifles as well. I will keep an eye out for one knowing I will have to rebarrel it or jut get a Contender barrel.
@@charlesmckinley29 I really wanted it to shoot well. It's a cool caliber, but with Armscor holding the patents and the lack of SAMII data, it's basically doomed. Which is really sad because it has a ton of potential. I guess I will have to find a good local gunsmith to replace my barrel...
Im sure its using a much faster burning powder than 223, probably a pistol powder. I load reduced loads for varmits, and with 9.5 grains of unique i can push a 40gr bullet about 2800ish fps, there is zero recoil, no need for hearing protection, sounds about like a .22 mag, and its absolute deadly on rockchucks and ground squirrels with a noticeable reduction in range. You get a lot of loads from a pound of powder, and the barrel never really gets warm, all the powder burns up in the first few inches. If you ever want to try this, start at around 7 grains and work up, the pressure can spike very quickly using fast powder, also weigh each charge and dont use a block, weigh seat bullet, accidentally double charging will most likely have a catastrophic result, there is a lot of data out there for blue dot and unique, ive also used green dot, my best results were with unique as far as consistency.
Awesome! You know how efficient it is. I updated the 22TCM Wiki article, including reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
22tcm9r is a 9mm length used in cz75 copy 22tcm is used in a 1911 copy
They use the r in the Glock conversions I know too.
This gun made me build a new wildcat.
The limiting factor is COAL in the magazine... Handloading with the 52 grain flatbase HP that I use in a 22PPC, its capable of awesome accuracy....
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The .22 TCM 9R is modified to fit Glock magazines, for .22TBCM conversion barrels.
Yes both are still 22TCM case. Just different slugs or projectiles for shorter OAL. The 40gr long slug is 38 super OAL and just a tad longer. The '9R' 39gr is 9mm OAL.
Just a bit of a correction here. when discussing the power, it appears you've conflated muzzle velocity with power. Just assuming the numbers you give are correct, 223 with a 55gr @2900fps (this is slow, its more like 3100fps) vs the 22tcm with a 40gr at 2800 fps, the "power" or more correctly, the energy at the muzzle is 634 fpe for a 40 grain bullet traveling at 2800 fps, compared to 935 fpe for a 55 grain bullet traveling at 2900 fps. 223 with a 55gr is going a bit faster, at least 3100 fps, which is more like 1069 fpe.
Interestingly, your observation that the case capacity is about half of the 223, so you expect about half the "power"---i.e., muzzle energy---was just about spot on. Most 223 and 556 "hunting" loads are loaded to about 1,200 fpe muzzle energy, which is just about double of the 22 tcm's 630ish fpe of muzzle energy.
Pretty nifty little cartridge!
40gr at 2800fps is 696fpe according to my calculator, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting 634fpe from. Similarly, 55gr at 2900fps is 1027fpe, not 935fpe as you stated. Regardless of whether you use my numbers or yours, that *IS* "about 3/4" the power of a 2900fps 55gr .223 bullet as I stated in the video. And yes I'm aware there are faster and more powerful .223 loads, but some are in fact 2900fps with a 55gr bullet- PMC Bronze that I shoot for example...
they use faster pistol powder in the tcm slower burning powder in 223.
Depends on the batch. I shot the bulk 40gr factory ammo in a M1911 pistol with 5" barrel had powder spilling and big fireballs as muzzle flash. The internals were covered in unburned powder. I think slow burning powder in that ammo. Handloaders used faster burning pistol powders and more reliable. Reduced the spilling and better performance all round.
You should pull the bolt out and wipe it off real good then put a few drops of gun oil on the bolt. Put it back in and roll it a few times like your shooting except leave the mag out.
Of course. As I detailed in the video, this is one you definately want to keep well cleaned and lubed...
The 22 Hornet pushes a 40 grain bullet at 2800 fps..i read somewhere
Yes 40gr at 2800fps, just like this .22tcm does from this rifle barrel...
Awesome video, this is one of my favorite rounds to shoot in my Tac Ultra. I have yet to shoot it from a rifle
What velocity are you getting from the pistol? I really want one. It's the one you can switch barrels and shoot 9mm, correct?
@@Fctsdntcarebouturfeelings 22TCM velocity 2k fps from 5" barrel pistol. Yes you can swap the barrel and recoil spring to 9mm.
I am pretty positive I have some brass cased .22 TCM.....haven't shot it for a while though and getting old. LOL. I get tired of trying to find the brass so I don't shoot it much.
Search online. Ammo Supply Warehouse has cases of 22TCM ammo for $0.32 a round. Both 40gr, and 39gr (9R) options. There is no shortage. Half the price of FN 5.7mm. And slightly cheaper than bulk pack 223 rem at $0.40 a round. They also have brass/nickel cases. Parent case is 223 rem so you can always form your own.
22 micromag was it’s original designation
We used to shoot 40 grain .223 loads at prairie dogs…..I never understood the need for this cartridge.
The "need" was for the pistol platform which is what it was originally released for if I'm not mistaken, perhaps to dethrone the 5.7x28 which it did in a sense (more powerful). I think the rifle was a "just because" afterthought- allthough as I pointed out in the video, there are actually a few advantages to this cartridge in a rifle over the .223...
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem, open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM. Wiki article explains it, including reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
I'd like to se an Ackley improved version of that!
With some varmint tipped bullets...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I was thinking heavier bullets with a more rounded tip for Capercaillie shooting, which is something we do in Scandinavia and Finland.
We don't have those here
@@BuckeyeBallistics Nope! ua-cam.com/video/KGu1sMGKGUM/v-deo.html
Yes it's been done by handloaders. Basically 22TCM improved. Look up '5.56x24mm'. A sharper case shoulder helps reliability and allows more projectiles to be used. It's '223 short' so common .22 cal /.224" projectiles work.
If I remember right the 22TCM uses pistol powders, much faster and "angry" powders than standard rifle powders used in 223/556
Probably right
Initially no. Depends on the batch and time period. Bulk factory ammo was slower rifle powder. You can tell straight away in a pistol. The powder 'spills' covering the internals with unburned powder. Also the massive fireballs as muzzle flash. Handloaders improved reliability and overall performance by using faster pistol powders. I passed on this feedback to RIA Armscor. Not sure if and when they acted on it.
9R is for use in like Glocks with conversion barrels
RIA Rock Island should offer this rifle in 9 mm. They would sell a ton of them.
Look up the Novem 9mm Carbine- it's exactly that.
@@BuckeyeBallistics it was a piece of crap, no longer made. I was hoping for something of higher quality in bolt action 9 mm rifle.
Well there is the one by Curtis Tactical, and POF makes a 9mm levergun...
@@BuckeyeBallistics - thanks but I am looking for a basic, low cost, bolt action 9 mm rifle not a custom made rifle or a lever action. Nobody makes one, incredible as it may seem.
Exactly- doesn't exist.
The wind push right
The wind is confusing down here in this valley, like a vortex and constantly changing direction. Numerous times I have seen it blowing 3 different directions from where the shooter is to the end.
Hi where I can buy one off this rifle all places are out the stock 😂
Still gave you a like for the video, but you said half the energy of the 5.56×45mm NATO round. It's closer to the 5.56×45mm NATO round giving 3.38 times the
ENERGY of the .22 TCM. Think you were going by velocity which is not the same. Still liked the video though. Thanks
Actually I said 3/4- I said I would expect half the power, but it's more like 3/4 the power is what I said in the video. Appreciate the like even though you thought I was wrong, but the .22tcm from the rifle is 697fpe and the .223 load I shoot is 1027fpe. So yeah, that's pretty close to 3/4 the power just like I said, so I'm not quite sure where you're getting the whole 3.38x thing from. Care to elaborate? Yes there are more powerful .223 and 5.56 loads than what I quoted, but nowhere near 3.38 times more power than the .22tcm- that would be 2355fpe which is is WAY more powerful than any 5.56 load...
@@BuckeyeBallistics Now seems the difference is like X 1.85. If you can make sense of that. Should come back to delete my post later. Thanks
Should have stiffed myself this time.
Smokeless burns faster under pressure fill case and lighter bullet
Hey I'm interested to buy one of this rifles but you know if I can make lead free ammo I'm in California only lead free for hunting
Yeah you would have to hand load all copper .223/.224 bullets. Cutting Edge Bullets has a 32gr that should work...
Do you think the bullet set back or C.O.A.L. raised the pressure making sticky bolt lift?
I don't the the pressure is any higher, I'm sure they accounted for that with a slightly revised powder charge. Maybe just the difference in lot #'s and build dates, I'm not sure.
My $500.00 Walther WMP 22 mag pistol is the same way. But my Taurus Tx competition and Keltec P17 NO play whatever. When I contacted Walther and told them they had a design flaw they said it was normal. No more Walther firearms for me.
been trying to find one of these for 2 years contacted Rock Island/ armscor supposedly still in production but are unobtainable for some reason, nobody has them and nobody can get them talked to RI distributors and dealers nobody can get them and can't tell me why , almost ready to give up !!!!
Yeah I don't know why they are so hard to find
the one brand ammo rifle
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you will shout better groups if you have support under the heel of the stock
I know, I stated this in the video. Thank you for all the details and info in all your other comments regarding the cartridge and firearms.
That magazine isn't supposed to do that. Mine is flush when in the rifle. Rock Island has a different model 1911 that shoots those short bullets. Not supposed to shoot those shorty bullets through the rifle or 1911 pistol that's made for the 22tcm rounds. It leads up the chamber being a shorter round and causes a ring to form making your right rounds for the rifle want to hang up. I won't shoot those short rounds through my rifle or my handgun.
Just figured I'd try it once 🤷🏻♂️ Ypu saw how it went lol.
Good feedback and thanks for sharing. It was good he tested both factory ammo types. More data points from the rifle. I haven't seen anyone else document and post it until now. BTW have you tried lubing the chambers of both your rifle and pistol?
Are they available now or no
Rock Island still shows it on their website so I believe so
@@BuckeyeBallistics Thanks for the info
@robertwilliams2623 you would love one. I bought the 1911 Rock Island pistol to go with my rifle but I bought the combination model with the extra spring and barrel to shoot 9mm out of my pistol. I love it.
How can I order this rifle
22tcm 9r is 200 fps slower about 1800 fps to 2000 fps for the 22tcm
Also depends on barrel length. The M1911 pistol barrels are 4.25" or 5". This M22 rifle has 22" barrel and velocity of 2800fps.
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Such a cool and weird round. - you didn't flip you're sign to the "Range is Hot" side :D
Good eye. Yeah I usually don't when I'm the only one down there, especially in these rifle videos because I'm contantly running back and forth from the bench to the targets down there when I have the opportunity to do so instead of waiting an hour in-between for other shooters. I can't call a cease-fire every 10 minutes to move targets lol.
point the scope at the sky adust till you have a clear picture you have parralax in scope.
I really want this round to take off but it just isnt
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The pistol ammunition does not seat in the rifle properly never could get it to shoot accurately
Maybe explains the accuracy difference with both ammo types 40gr and 39gr 9R.
All dat kislux bags sssssoooooooo gorgeous
That's a cool rifle, I just don't know what it would be good for.
Coyotes or democrats
@maxmoody - It would be great for kids that are afraid of the loud blast and even the mild recoil of .223, because it's quieter and lighter recoiling. Would also be good for ruduced range/ricochet concern that .223 has with it's generally heavier and longer bullets. Not that .223 carries much energy very far, but this cartridge definately has reduced worry about ricochetes traveling as far. It's basically a light/reduced power .223 load, so whatever that would be good for. So yeah it may not be very practical, but it's fun to shoot and a nice conversation piece...
@@brianmcgee4730woodchicks
woodchucks
Pdogs, coyote, trash bandits, tactical possum, etc.
Do they still make these?
I think so but you probably have to order it
No they don’t.😡
@charles - Not what another viewer said, says he asked Armscor/Rock Island directly and they stated it's still in production...
So from what I've gathered, the .22 tcm is like the best 5.7, but at half the price. I see no reason to choose the 5.7 over this round. Can anyone explain otherwise?
The .22tcm whoops the 5.7, but the problem is availability of both firearms and ammo.
Most of the 223 ammo I shoot is rated at 3240fps out of a 24 onch barrel. I stay away from the 2900fps rated ammo.
It's probably 2900 from a 16" barrel...
Lets see chronograph out of that please
Good idea, next time I have a working one.
can the synthetic/tactical stock fit if you will exchange buttsock?
I don't know, you'd have to ask Armscor.
have to have support front and back
Awesome bro!👏🏻
i would like to have one of the rifles i have both pistols.
You may find the Wiki article helpful. There's reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
22TCM is for 1911's and the 22TCM9R is for Glock handguns. The regular 22TCM is about 2100fps out of a 5" 1911 fwiw. Naturally the regular 22TCM is a tad hotter and is what I would shoot out of 1911's and the rifle. There is No need for the special Glock 22TCM ammo in your case.
Yes exactly. 22TCM 40gr long slug was made for 38 super mags. It's about 3mm longer than 9mm. OAL won't fit in popular 9mm Glock mags. The 39gr '9R' is the short slug. OAL is shorter to fit in 9mm mags. Both are still 22TCM case just different slugs / projectiles. I don't know about either being 'hotter'. Both ammo had the same velocities from 5" pistols from the tests I've seen. But it's possible, rolling changes over time.
You may find the Wiki article helpful. There's reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
A neat cartridge in a handgun but kinda pointless in a rifle when you can just get a .223 rifle instead.
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem. Open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
223rem shooting a 55gr bullet is more like 3200-3300 out a bolt gun. And honestly just get a 221 fireball you can get quality components and lots of data available
PMC Bronze and others advertise 2900...
@@BuckeyeBallistics ok PMC is kinda garbage, hornady, nosler and Barnes all list 55gr 223 at 3100 plus, Barnes and hornady both above 3200. And for us handloads it is super easy to get 3300 with many different powders. There is also a huge difference between a 40gr bullet and 55gr bullet in a 22 cal.
Just because it's slower doesn't mean it's garbage- that's like saying a Honda is garbage because it's not as fast as a Ferrari. And yes I'm well aware others are faster, I do this for a living...
@@BuckeyeBallistics I’m not saying it’s garbage cause it’s slow I’m saying it garbage cause of the quality lol. You cherry picked the slowest 223rem ammo to use as a comparison saying it’s right there with a 223 which it is not. Also comparing a 40gr to a 55gr is like comparing a 150gr 30 cal to a 190gr. They are in different classes. I’m not an AR guy so I don’t look for the cheapest ammo on the market to mag dump into a berm.
@@BuckeyeBallistics don’t think I’m hating on you at all. I enjoy gun content on UA-cam but let’s keep it apples to apples and realistic. Thats all I’m getting at.
223 is getting 3200 fps with 55 grain bullet
PMC Bronze is advertised 2900, as are others...
No it comes from people slapping up in there
I had a glock conversion for a g17. Just about every case stuck in the chamber. It was super inaccurate. I wanted to like it but its terrible. Sorry rock island.
Well the rifle is accurate lol, and I think their 1911's chambered in it shoot good too. The cases sticking seems to be a common thing though...
@@BuckeyeBallistics yeah bro. They exchanged my 1000 Rd case of ammo three times. They even sent a new barrel. I'm glad your rifle is good. It's awesome 😎
Lube the chamber for "sticky casings". Common on all bottle neck cartridges.
Glock 22TCM9R barrel conversion, stuck casings, needs lube ua-cam.com/video/igwpoh_aQVQ/v-deo.html
Lmaoooo!!
It uses a .308 brass and that way it has the ability to withstand a lot more pressure. The only real issue is the bullets are round nose. Spirepoint would be about the same as the .222 Rem.
It's parent case is the .223/5.56, and you can even see in the video when I put them side by side that the cases are the same width- .308 is much wider...
@@BuckeyeBallistics All the brass I've measured is the same as the small rifle primed .308 match and that was from nearly 30 years ago. Never saw the use in this since the .221 Rem is a better more stable cartridge and I can get rifles and handgun for it with a twist of 1-12, down to 1-8 and it stabilizes bullets from 30 to 69 grain way out farther than the TCM could dream of. The 5.7X28 is far and away better, and I hate that round. My Ruger M77 in .22 Hornet is superb if I can do my part well out to 400-450 yards. I run it with the Hornady 35 gr VMAX and they expand well out past the 350 yard mark. I like it over the other .22 center-fire rounds in closer range and areas where farm animals could get injured from the ultra high velocity fragments of a .221, .222/.223, .22-250, .220 Swift, .22 ARC, .22 creedmore, .22 Valkyrie or other calibers. We try to help the farmers, not ruin them. The .22tcm was meant to be a defensive round but failed miserably.
@@PaulGriffin-ox1gp not sure what you are looking at. The TCM 1911s come with two barrels. One 9mm and 1 TCM barrel and uses the SAME magazine for both. A 9mm and a .308 will not fit in the same mag. You must be thinking about something else.
Yeah the .22tcm came out in 2012- 12 years ago, not 30. So this dude is thinking of something else if it's from 30 years ago as he states...
a standard hornet does the same . and you can get ammo . thiss ,ll be gone in 5 yrs
.22 Hornet is over a dollar per shot, these are .50 cents per shot 🤷🏻♂️
RIA has made many thousands of 22TCM 1911 pistols in 4,25" and 5" in single stack or doublestack and still does so I dont see it fading that fast. You can buy 1200 pc cases of primed brass or fully loaded ammo too fwiw. Its a great target shooting pistol for new shooters that are bored with the 22LR IMHO. Probably make a great rabbit or squirel gun too. Its really more known as a Pistol round his assumptions about the round are incorrect it not really known for rifle very much.
@PatriotPaul - I stated in the video that it was far more popular in the pistol and that there weren't many videos of the rifle (which again proves it's not popular in the rifle, even though the rifle makes it SO much more powerful...)
22TCM is fun. Basically 223 short. Velocity 2K fps from a pistol and low recoil; and 2800 fps from a rifle. Parent case is 223 rem. Open source so will never die. Good for handloaders. Reload 223 rem and if you get a split case, cut it down to 22TCM.
You may find the Wiki article helpful. There's reloading data en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_TCM
brother you can ramble better than a liberal being asked a yes or no question
Yeah well good luck finding a better video on the rifle considering there are only 2 lol 😂
@BuckeyeBallistics lol I guess I won't.
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Too much talking
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