That was an interesting video. I was thinking about why you might be having such an issue with the decapping rod pulling out. While you are putting some lube inside the case I doubt it is getting near the portion of the case that contacts the expanding button on the rod when the cases are pulled out. I expect becasuse of this the cases are basically getting dragged dry over the expander button, greatly increasing the pulling force on the rod. You might want to try putting some case lube on a "Q-tip" and getting it on the case a bit further down. Another couple of tricks regarding decapping rods of the Lee type - degrease the rod and contacting surface of the nut with break clean to increase friction, even trace amounts of oil will increase slipping. Finally you might want to try rolling the decapping rod between two files to roughen the surface up, that can help them hold better. Anyway just some thoughts. Cheers!
Yes sir! I previously cleaned and lubed dies off camera. Should have specified better. But spot on I agree as after a few thru it worked better. Also, cleaning brass first would have helped.
Nice CW. Love that lil 22tcm pocket rocket! I bought a case of primed nickel plated cases from them years ago, right at the start of Ammogeddon #2. Someday I will load em. I have plenty of powder I just need projectiles. The factory hasn't had them on the website for sale in years. They came in their Armscor ammo labeled bags and they were $6.99 a hundred IFIRC. I just keep checking hopefully they start getting them on the website someday. I figure if it got too bad and I needed them I would check into a 40gr .22cal mold. I did pick up 1 box of Hornady .22cal 40gr just to experiment.
Are used to be a Dremel set up that would allow you to turn your Dremel into a miniature cut off saw. I may still have the jig, but I have to buy a smaller Dremel go into it now.
Awesome video CW and I'm going to love this series. 22 TCM is one of my favorite rounds so I'm going to be looking forward to each video and who knows you might have me trying this
I have a shot gun hull jig that I use for trimming down hulls with this saw.... I picked up a 300BO jig too but I have not use it yet for that..... Handy saw to have in your arsenal....
@@joeharris135 Yup. I avoid LEE dies but sometimes theirs is the only option. The other times I have bought they have all broken and been replaced with better.
If you take the decaping pin and sand half of an inch above the pin and take off a couple thousand off the diameter it should keep the neck from sticking to it where it is up in the die body where it forms the neck of the case. Just a thought
@@cw2a I'm not talking about the expander ball the stem part that holds it , it looked like it was stuck with the entire stem in the case it's either that or they are small flash holes
Yeah I’m not a fan of lee myself I always try to find different companies. Normally it ends up being Redding but sometimes even they don’t have the dies your looking for. At that point I start debating whether or not the cartridge is worth owning or not.
Very cool cw not alot of ammo out their for that fast little fireball cannon. Never got into making my onw case yet. I have had big issue with lee yet only have use carbite pistol dies so for rest of my dies are rcbs. I do got a set of lee 35rem dies theo.
That why I do not use Lee anymore...... After dealing with the universal decapper and the rod coming out on every case..... It sits in the box and never going to see daylight again...LOL!!!
Frustrating for sure. If ya saw my 350 Legend video back a ways ya saw my fix. Brill the nut and pin it with a roll pin in position. Works perfectly. There top Nuts are SOFT drill easily. ZERO MOVEMENT after that trick!!
Hello Steve!! Im starting with 223/556 cases. No the water is just to stop the heat from getting i to the head of the case. The water serves no other purpose. The heat of the touch softens the brass
That was one thing I didn't have to worry about when I made the 300 Blk conversions... I was never short on the brass because the 300Blk has so little shoulder. What powder/powders are you looking at using?
Not much data out there!!!! Looks like H110, Enforcer, lil Gun, 11fs and 296. Also no cast bullet data. I wont use Lil Gun. So one of the others I have all of them.
@@cw2a Hodgdon has some loads on their site under pistol for the 22TCM.... Accurate 4100, 11fs and TCM as well as Ramshot Enforcer. TCM was the powder that Accrate came up with specifically for the 22TCM.
HAY CW ! You hppwn tk ahbe dont more with this lil guy ? KAK just stated making 8" ar barrels for this and im really debating on building one as a replacement for my . 22hornet especially if they make a 16" barrel. Really really hope they donwhat they did wirh the .17-5.56 too. Would love a .17 tcm , be a bad ass moden replacement for the .17 hornet
Is annealing a must before necking down? If de-capping pin removed would it allow forming without the fire (annealing)? Or is that a “try it & find out question”?
Good morning! I anneal AFTER when necking up & BEFORE when necking down. As long as Im starting with new or once fired brass. Too soft can cause addition issues necking up. More important than decap pin removal of entire decap stem with pin is excellent point. If it has a expander ball it can cause issues too.
Nice jig with that adjustment screw and Nut. Have You tried UJ's drop of crazy Glue on the Lee decapping pin trick yet? I bought a case of primed 22TCM brass from Armscor when the Ammogeddon started so I wont be using my 22TCM jig I bought anytime soon. I have a 300BO one as well I still haven't used. Its great that you put this out for everyone CW ! Nice video.
Having sticking problems due to pressure causing cases to expand? I was wondering if anyone has reloaded and got around that problem like using thicker brass like military 5.56mm brass or commercial.
@@cw2a Unless commercial brass got thicker or the 5.56mm suddenly got thinner then military force 5.56 mm is still thicker. Even when the Army bought like 540 million rounds from Asia at the height of the Iraq war (OIF) we got tasked with making sure it was to spec. We had to check out everything. To include commercial companies vs NATO, differences in metal everything. The company made the ammo for NATO countries and was closing with all that ammo already made. The Army bought every round plus asked them to reopen doing 3-8hr shifts a day for several years. I got wounded on a convoy and put in a coma so that is all I remember.
@bullboo1 Of coarse there is countless manufacturers of 556 & 223. But If you test for your self you will find very small differences in case volume. Its a common miss conception carried over from 7,62 & 308.
@@jamespugh well I got the motor mounts welded in and motor in. I’m not sure if it’s in the right spot. Great weather we’ve been having I like it when it’s not too hot not too cold.
@@jeffgrossman6835 years ago I had trouble making 7.65 Argentine from 3006. I kept getting funky dents that I shouldn't have been getting no matter what I did I couldn't stop it. Until they removed the decapping stem. Then they formed perfectly. So I should've remembered, but I didn't really see a problem with denting. So I guess I just didn't think of it but thanks for reminding me your spot on correct often times just removing that decapping stem makes all the difference in the world foreman cases. 🤟🏽👍🏼🤟🏽🍻🍻
@@cw2a thanks, you made it look easy. I’ve been reloading for 35ish years, just never had a need to do much case forming. That might be changing though.
Hiya C-Dub! Such a cool project! 🤛🏻🔫🇺🇸
Hello Walter!!
Good job on forming the cases. Thanks for the video.
Hello Man!! Thank you sir!!
Cool stuff and good to know. Thanks for sharing👍👊🇺🇸
Morning man! Thank you!! 🤟🏽👍🏼💪🏼😋
great video CW Can`t wait to see the rest of the videos
Thank you Sir!!
That was an interesting video. I was thinking about why you might be having such an issue with the decapping rod pulling out. While you are putting some lube inside the case I doubt it is getting near the portion of the case that contacts the expanding button on the rod when the cases are pulled out. I expect becasuse of this the cases are basically getting dragged dry over the expander button, greatly increasing the pulling force on the rod. You might want to try putting some case lube on a "Q-tip" and getting it on the case a bit further down. Another couple of tricks regarding decapping rods of the Lee type - degrease the rod and contacting surface of the nut with break clean to increase friction, even trace amounts of oil will increase slipping. Finally you might want to try rolling the decapping rod between two files to roughen the surface up, that can help them hold better. Anyway just some thoughts. Cheers!
Yes sir! I previously cleaned and lubed dies off camera. Should have specified better. But spot on I agree as after a few thru it worked better.
Also, cleaning brass first would have helped.
Good day CW! Not a caliber I have seen before, looks cool!
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it's only 20 pieces I would chock it up to experience and just do over so no issues going forward. Good Video Brother love the 22 TCM
Yes sir!!!
Nice CW. Love that lil 22tcm pocket rocket! I bought a case of primed nickel plated cases from them years ago, right at the start of Ammogeddon #2. Someday I will load em. I have plenty of powder I just need projectiles. The factory hasn't had them on the website for sale in years. They came in their Armscor ammo labeled bags and they were $6.99 a hundred IFIRC. I just keep checking hopefully they start getting them on the website someday. I figure if it got too bad and I needed them I would check into a 40gr .22cal mold. I did pick up 1 box of Hornady .22cal 40gr just to experiment.
Thats my hope here. Hard Cast GC bullets. I have some dummies made. Waiting on bbl to test fit.
Very cool video, can't wait to see the finished product
Thanks man!!
Are used to be a Dremel set up that would allow you to turn your Dremel into a miniature cut off saw. I may still have the jig, but I have to buy a smaller Dremel go into it now.
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Awesome video CW and I'm going to love this series. 22 TCM is one of my favorite rounds so I'm going to be looking forward to each video and who knows you might have me trying this
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That’s pretty cool I found a article saying to cut to 1.068 then size trim to 1.020 it looked like you had those numbers in the beginning
Pretty close yes! Not much data out! I used data in lee die sheet but an looking for more.
I have a shot gun hull jig that I use for trimming down hulls with this saw.... I picked up a 300BO jig too but I have not use it yet for that..... Handy saw to have in your arsenal....
Yes sir!! I am building a shell splitter for trimming shotshell cases.
That is a caliber I've never tried .
Hello Me Pollard.
Yeah, the Lee depriming assembly is a pain. Great work making that brass, even if it was a tad short.
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Got it going, nice!! Interesting caliber. 🍻🍻
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Neat! I need that cut-off saw! Thanks for the vid!
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Lee expander pulls out of sizing die. My 223 set was first & last Lee die set, because of this. RCBS no problems.
@@joeharris135 Yup. I avoid LEE dies but sometimes theirs is the only option. The other times I have bought they have all broken and been replaced with better.
If you take the decaping pin and sand half of an inch above the pin and take off a couple thousand off the diameter it should keep the neck from sticking to it where it is up in the die body where it forms the neck of the case. Just a thought
The expander ball diameter determines proper neck tension. Not a good idea to change its dia like that.
@@cw2a I'm not talking about the expander ball the stem part that holds it , it looked like it was stuck with the entire stem in the case it's either that or they are small flash holes
@@tacticalrabbit308 it was expander ball but because first case and insufficient tightness ( it was only crazy tite not INSANE Tite.
Thanks for sharing! What kind of rifle are you shooting 22 TCM out of?
This is my buddies Glock upper. He is a neighbor & couldn't find 9r ammo. Asked if we could make it.
CH4D makes excellent 22T CM dies. Plus, just about every wild cat cartridge known to man/woman. (Notice the PC move there)
@ldavid1951 CH makes real good stuff. I have a few of there tools.
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Yeah I’m not a fan of lee myself I always try to find different companies. Normally it ends up being Redding but sometimes even they don’t have the dies your looking for. At that point I start debating whether or not the cartridge is worth owning or not.
Agreed. Some issues I have work arounds and for this one I dont expect HD useage.
Very cool cw not alot of ammo out their for that fast little fireball cannon. Never got into making my onw case yet. I have had big issue with lee yet only have use carbite pistol dies so for rest of my dies are rcbs. I do got a set of lee 35rem dies theo.
LEE them selves advertises there dies NOT be used for forming in some calibers. But it can work as you have seen.
I like that cutter
Haha! 🙏😝😋
That why I do not use Lee anymore...... After dealing with the universal decapper and the rod coming out on every case..... It sits in the box and never going to see daylight again...LOL!!!
Frustrating for sure. If ya saw my 350 Legend video back a ways ya saw my fix. Brill the nut and pin it with a roll pin in position. Works perfectly. There top Nuts are SOFT drill easily. ZERO MOVEMENT after that trick!!
@@cw2a hello CW what video was that in?
It could have been on old channel but thought here. I think I titled it why I dont like or dont use Lee dies? Id have ta look myself.
Good Mornin' CW
Mornin Dave!!
Cool. A couple things. What cal. brass are you starting with.? When you heat up metal then quench it , doesn't it harden it ?
Hello Steve!!
Im starting with 223/556 cases.
No the water is just to stop the heat from getting i to the head of the case. The water serves no other purpose. The heat of the touch softens the brass
That was one thing I didn't have to worry about when I made the 300 Blk conversions... I was never short on the brass because the 300Blk has so little shoulder.
What powder/powders are you looking at using?
Not much data out there!!!!
Looks like H110, Enforcer, lil Gun, 11fs and 296.
Also no cast bullet data.
I wont use Lil Gun. So one of the others I have all of them.
@@cw2a Hodgdon has some loads on their site under pistol for the 22TCM.... Accurate 4100, 11fs and TCM as well as Ramshot Enforcer. TCM was the powder that Accrate came up with specifically for the 22TCM.
Good Vid, C-Dub
I hate Lee dies too. But sometimes it's the only choice.
Yup. Only game in town there.
Nice looking case
Thanks and Good Morning Don!
So annealing makes the brass soft so it can be formed or shaped easier?
Yea and helps it not split too! Morning Jeff!! 💪🏼🤘🏼🇺🇸🍻
HAY CW ! You hppwn tk ahbe dont more with this lil guy ? KAK just stated making 8" ar barrels for this and im really debating on building one as a replacement for my . 22hornet especially if they make a 16" barrel. Really really hope they donwhat they did wirh the .17-5.56 too. Would love a .17 tcm , be a bad ass moden replacement for the .17 hornet
@@TheBlackTrapper Good morning man!! Yes but my buddy who these are for dosent shoot it very much. (Dosent shoot much at all really!!!)
Do these need neck reaming after they're formed? I'd imagine the .223 case walls have a lot more thickness than the typical case neck.
Im investigating but I agree case walls usually make poor & uneven thickness necks.
Perfect timing CW! I’m looking into converting .223 into 7.62x25 so this will be helpful for sure!
I don't know if it makes any difference but 223 is quite a bit smaller in diameter than Tok.
@@dylanschulz2404 thanks, I’m still researching it, but that was the casing some people have recommended.
@@3jeepdiscovery powder valley has 30 Mauser brass which is the same thing these days.
@@dylanschulz2404 sweet! That’s good to know. Thanks!
Is annealing a must before necking down? If de-capping pin removed would it allow forming without the fire (annealing)? Or is that a “try it & find out question”?
Good morning!
I anneal AFTER when necking up & BEFORE when necking down. As long as Im starting with new or once fired brass. Too soft can cause addition issues necking up.
More important than decap pin removal of entire decap stem with pin is excellent point. If it has a expander ball it can cause issues too.
Nice jig with that adjustment screw and Nut. Have You tried UJ's drop of crazy Glue on the Lee decapping pin trick yet? I bought a case of primed 22TCM brass from Armscor when the Ammogeddon started so I wont be using my 22TCM jig I bought anytime soon. I have a 300BO one as well I still haven't used. Its great that you put this out for everyone CW ! Nice video.
Thanks man!! 😜🇺🇸🙏
Do you need to inside ream/outside turn the necks in order to reduce the thickness of the brass at the neck after sizing?
Im wanting to measure some factory brass. But I agree with you its likely a good idea. I am stalled here waiting on my buddy who has the gun and ammo.
Having sticking problems due to pressure causing cases to expand? I was wondering if anyone has reloaded and got around that problem like using thicker brass like military 5.56mm brass or commercial.
Actually 556 is no thicker than 223. It's the 7.62 is thicker (smaller Cap) than 308.
The cartridge gets pushed pretty hard. Hand loading helps!
@@cw2a Unless commercial brass got thicker or the 5.56mm suddenly got thinner then military force 5.56 mm is still thicker.
Even when the Army bought like 540 million rounds from Asia at the height of the Iraq war (OIF) we got tasked with making sure it was to spec. We had to check out everything. To include commercial companies vs NATO, differences in metal everything.
The company made the ammo for NATO countries and was closing with all that ammo already made. The Army bought every round plus asked them to reopen doing 3-8hr shifts a day for several years.
I got wounded on a convoy and put in a coma so that is all I remember.
@bullboo1 Of coarse there is countless manufacturers of 556 & 223. But If you test for your self you will find very small differences in case volume.
Its a common miss conception carried over from 7,62 & 308.
LEE while I have dies that work well, the Lee thing; too have the de-prime pin “slide,” gets annoying.
But other designs BREAK ! No fun either.
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I hate forming cases. Lol
Haha. This one formed easy. Annealing & imperial helps sllot.
Hey pa brother. How's projects
@@jamespugh well I got the motor mounts welded in and motor in. I’m not sure if it’s in the right spot. Great weather we’ve been having I like it when it’s not too hot not too cold.
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You should lube inside the neck or take the decapping rod out.
Morning Jeff! I did lube but too often forget that remove the decapper trick!
Thanks man! 🤟🏽💪🏼💪🏼🇺🇸
I make 17fireball and 221 fireball. So I know what going through.
@@jeffgrossman6835 years ago I had trouble making 7.65 Argentine from 3006. I kept getting funky dents that I shouldn't have been getting no matter what I did I couldn't stop it. Until they removed the decapping stem. Then they formed perfectly. So I should've remembered, but I didn't really see a problem with denting. So I guess I just didn't think of it but thanks for reminding me your spot on correct often times just removing that decapping stem makes all the difference in the world foreman cases. 🤟🏽👍🏼🤟🏽🍻🍻
Cool video, so far I’ve only formed .14/221 fireball brass. I just might have to get a .22tcm after watching your video.
Mornin Man. Jts pretty easy over all. Annealing and Imperial Wax make it better.
@@cw2a thanks, you made it look easy. I’ve been reloading for 35ish years, just never had a need to do much case forming. That might be changing though.