@madquest8 Yeah, when someone doesn't sufficiently randomize their deck, huge red flag. If someone doesn't care about properly randomizing their deck, then they don't care about playing fair games. Every player should pile shuffle their deck once when they bring it out for the session as gesture of good faith.
Jan missed the landfall trigger due to Ashya being put into play. Each creature becomes a land, which then triggers landfall. The game was spicy, tho. Loved it.
jan actually had a really good loop as the lands he returns with yedora can be flipped face up so the spellsnatcher would have been able to counter one spell a turn. also the spell snatcher says that the spells are free so there wasnt really much reason to not play the stuff he countered.
This deck also has an infinite combo with yedora, zimone, and sakura-tribe Elder, effectively manifesting dread once and putting every basic from your deck onto the battlefield. What's crazy is I don't think it's even correct to do it all at once in this precon, because you want a consistent 2 lands per turn to cheat the costs on your manifests.
Yeah the deck just got a little too big brained by the end there. You need to really have goldfished those scenarios a few times to be able to resolve it effectively. My main reason for not liking face down decks honestly.
@@jimstewart4929 It's actually even better than that, because you can sac the Steve on every turn to manifest. So if you want big mana you can just tutor all your basics, or you can manifest and flip 4 times a round for free.
@@jimstewart4929If you refuse to find your basics from library, I think this let's you tap the face down forest (STE) while the flip is on the stack, once per loop. This gets you infinite green mana on demand.
I'm shocked you didn't add Nesting Ground to the Winter upgrade. Moving your finality counters onto your opponent's creatures would be great. It was the first upgrade I thought of.
It came up for the mirko upgrades too. I think if they're limiting the number of cards going in instead of the cost of those cards, skipping a nonbasic Land in favor of more splashy thematic cards likely makes more sense.
I recently did this with Mirko deck and it's such a fun card. Incidentally, it won me the game because it moved a loyalty counter leftover after Promise of Loyalty. But moving my finality I'd soooo cool
20:49 somehow every game of Duskmourn commander precons I have seen so far, the landfall player has gotten Ashaya at some point, which makes the deck go crazy
I think Spike Feeders really scratch my commander and cEDH itch. Even playing complex formats or deck lists, everything feels followable, and the quips are always wonderful.
2 things, landfall is a deck of all time and ashaya meant that every moroph and manifest could have flipped themselves up, since they enter as non creature, fair play to try to keep triggers in mind but god is that a boardstate i would burn it
Was ready to say that Ashaya only turns non tokens into land before I checked to see that the manifests are non token. Good call, what a bonkers interaction!
@@jerry32123 Great game Jerry! Love your humor. That coaching bit at the end was hysterical! 😂😂 Good to see you getting some gameplay in! Winter seems really fun, kinda like the Murders at Markov dimir deck but with green instead of blue.
Love the gameplay , love how you guys do things here. It’s nice to learn the game of magic while watching you guys play, I really appreciate how you guys explain things and speak about the moves you make. Keep up the great content.
Crazy how Jerry's turn 1 land would have completely changed all the following turns since he wouldn't have been able to do any of the things he actually did. Granted, he could've gotten a swamp with the Elder instead of a forest, but not until turn 3.
@@SwagMaster824 The enchantment deck hasn´t any oppressive win con in it. The commander is just delivering the miracle base, there are not many winning creatures and they are all bad if you don´t miracle into them and the rest of the gameplan is a stackish control plan, which only works with certain creatures and enchantments. Shark Typhoon is too expensive, Entreat the Angels is only good in late game (and still too expensive) and Inkshield is a comeback threat only, if your opponents are already able to kill you. I think the commander is awesome for building an own higher power deck but it´s bad as a precon commander on preconish power levels.
Best commander show. Thanks @mtg for giving early access to this channel so we can see how these decks play. Also hi Jerry and do you really cultivate soybeans? I must know!
Jan missed a lot of triggers because any creature that enters is also a Forest so Tatyova Triggers and Zimone triggers. But hey complicated board state so understandable.😅
I have made that same mistake with Tainted lands multiple times their formatting is super close to the pain lands, so if you aren't looking closely and you know you have both in your deck, well...
feels weird to see the guy win who plays tainted woods as an llanowar wastes all the time and not having a second black source until turn 7. And in the intro you said Rendmaw was cutted and in turn 6 it got played. things happened there :S
@@bartobär1991 mistakes happen and all together it was still a nice match to watch but this mistake lead to several illegal moves and something in me has a problem with it. Lets just pretend this tainted woods was a Proxy for llanowar wastes
Funny thing is, Jerry misplaying Tainted Wood was essentially purely a disadvantage. He could have played the artifact land turn 1, turn 2 tainted wood, sol ring and Steve, and gotten a swamp, and then nothing would have changed apart from Jerry having more life.
just 1 question, if all your creatures are a land beocuse ashaya, whenever you put a facedaw card shouldnt it triggers your commander? ohh i didnt reach yert the part when you realizes that, i didnt say anything xD
I love a good underdog win. Everyone seemed so strong and impossible to deal with except for Jerry who mostly played support for Maddy and struggled with his Delirium and then he was the only one left because the remaining ones got greedy haha Super sad to not having seen Rendmaw in action though!
If my amateur math is correct, 4 turn 1 sol rings is somewhere in the neighborhood of a 1 in 25,000 chance. Math for nerds: Hypergeometric calc says 1 card in opening hand+draw is 8.08% 0.0808^4=0.0000426231402496
That is so hilarious because I had a game with tainted wood and I did the same exact thing and took a damage every time I wanted a colored mana until I realized like 6 turns in lmao
Hi Jerry! You seem like a really nice guy and you remind me of a couple of co-workers of mine, I hope everything is going well for you, and if it isn't, keep going my friend, things will be better in time, as long as you want it , a virtual hug
As a little side note question with,,, the creature that makes your guys lands when they enter do they still trigger landfall. Is when I noticed in the long chain of effects I'm upkeep
Just realized how good winter and zimone would be together. Zimone let's you flip things and mill to help delirium and winter helps return things that you mill.
Jan would have had 5 extra life due to the missed ashaya being a land when it enters and 4 triggers before he noticed the triggers putting him at 11 when one with the multiverse is cast
I think its bonkers that ahaya, and yidaro is an infinite combo in a precon. Also it did not matter that tainted wood does not work that way. I am not that into horror movies myself but the set does look interesting. Zimone is cracked.
8:28 That's rough...I didn't really care nor do I think it really mattered up until this point that Tainted Wood was being mistaken for Llanowar Wastes. However, Jerry coulnd't play Ob Nix here and remove Aminatou. Alex woulda made 8 Angels..ugh Still a great interactive game. Wasn't sure what to expect from "Upgraded" on a mainly cedh channel, but this was fun!
Maybe someday some brilliant mind will manage to perfectly navigate Zimone + Ashaya + Yedora boardstates. Any free sac outlet turns it into an at-will Landfall loop at instant speed??
A mythical 4 sol ring game 😮
The tales are true!
In the words of Syndrome, if everyone has a sol ring, no one does.
It's called pre stacking your deck with 'lazy' shuffling. No way that happens normally.
@madquest8 Yeah, when someone doesn't sufficiently randomize their deck, huge red flag. If someone doesn't care about properly randomizing their deck, then they don't care about playing fair games.
Every player should pile shuffle their deck once when they bring it out for the session as gesture of good faith.
Jan missed the landfall trigger due to Ashya being put into play. Each creature becomes a land, which then triggers landfall.
The game was spicy, tho. Loved it.
Did you listen to the end of the video
jan actually had a really good loop as the lands he returns with yedora can be flipped face up so the spellsnatcher would have been able to counter one spell a turn. also the spell snatcher says that the spells are free so there wasnt really much reason to not play the stuff he countered.
This deck also has an infinite combo with yedora, zimone, and sakura-tribe Elder, effectively manifesting dread once and putting every basic from your deck onto the battlefield.
What's crazy is I don't think it's even correct to do it all at once in this precon, because you want a consistent 2 lands per turn to cheat the costs on your manifests.
Yeah the deck just got a little too big brained by the end there. You need to really have goldfished those scenarios a few times to be able to resolve it effectively. My main reason for not liking face down decks honestly.
Yedora is insane. That’s why we love them. I LIVE for facedown jank
@@jimstewart4929 It's actually even better than that, because you can sac the Steve on every turn to manifest. So if you want big mana you can just tutor all your basics, or you can manifest and flip 4 times a round for free.
@@jimstewart4929If you refuse to find your basics from library, I think this let's you tap the face down forest (STE) while the flip is on the stack, once per loop. This gets you infinite green mana on demand.
I'm shocked you didn't add Nesting Ground to the Winter upgrade. Moving your finality counters onto your opponent's creatures would be great. It was the first upgrade I thought of.
Oh, solid idea!
@@toms1782 yep. That way, their stuff gets exiled instead of yours
It came up for the mirko upgrades too. I think if they're limiting the number of cards going in instead of the cost of those cards, skipping a nonbasic Land in favor of more splashy thematic cards likely makes more sense.
I recently did this with Mirko deck and it's such a fun card. Incidentally, it won me the game because it moved a loyalty counter leftover after Promise of Loyalty. But moving my finality I'd soooo cool
"shocked"? My brother in Urza, Nesting Grounds is a good add for the deck but I think you need to raise the bar for what generates shock within you.
24:14 wasn't Rendmaw in the list of cards that were taken out of the deck? See 3:51
Rendmaw is so powerful it made its way back in unbeknownst to anyone.
Ikr
Came to the comments for that exact reason
I was legit upset they'd removed it, so I was glad when I saw it, then it got countered, fml.
Remember when Madison said "solid as a rock" in the recording? Me too, every time hahaha love her
20:49 somehow every game of Duskmourn commander precons I have seen so far, the landfall player has gotten Ashaya at some point, which makes the deck go crazy
This channel has quickly become one of the best gameplay channels out there. Keep up the good work, Spikes.
I think Spike Feeders really scratch my commander and cEDH itch. Even playing complex formats or deck lists, everything feels followable, and the quips are always wonderful.
Hi Jerry! That did look like a mentally draining amount of triggers mahgawd! Fun game to watch though. Thanks for all you guys/gals do!
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Turns out if you like this video you too will get turn 1 Sol Ring in -your- next commander game!
When I saw one of the cards removed from Endless Punishment was Rakdos Charm my first immediate thought was "Now watch as you die to token swarm"
2 things, landfall is a deck of all time and ashaya meant that every moroph and manifest could have flipped themselves up, since they enter as non creature, fair play to try to keep triggers in mind but god is that a boardstate i would burn it
Nothing to see here. Allready figured it out by myself.
Was ready to say that Ashaya only turns non tokens into land before I checked to see that the manifests are non token. Good call, what a bonkers interaction!
Since Ashya was in I think they missed a lot of landfall triggers when cloaked/manifested creatures entered.
Hi Jerry! Nice to see you!
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@@jerry32123 Great game Jerry!
Love your humor. That coaching bit at the end was hysterical! 😂😂
Good to see you getting some gameplay in!
Winter seems really fun, kinda like the Murders at Markov dimir deck but with green instead of blue.
Those upkeep triggers were SOLID AS A ROCK!
Rendmaw was taken out but he makes an appearance! How mysterious and spooky
Love the gameplay , love how you guys do things here. It’s nice to learn the game of magic while watching you guys play, I really appreciate how you guys explain things and speak about the moves you make. Keep up the great content.
I love Yedora so much. She creates some really cool interaction in your deck if you plan around her.
Glad I caught this right as I went for my lunch break, always fun seeing your precon upgrade videos
Hi Jerry! it is nice to see you! :)
Hello!
Jerry always brings best fun to the rounds. Love it!
best commander videos there is! love the games. easy to follow and does not take an hour to watch.
Not killing the Sheoldred and some of Jans board with the ping triggers was... a choice, definitely
Just Jerry doing Jerry things! Love the entire cast and this is one of the best EDH channels around.
Crazy how Jerry's turn 1 land would have completely changed all the following turns since he wouldn't have been able to do any of the things he actually did. Granted, he could've gotten a swamp with the Elder instead of a forest, but not until turn 3.
I did not knew your channel, you guys are great! Loved the gameplay, thanks for the content!
The jump scare precon is ridiculously good. Just simic doing simic things
I feel like Alex’s miracle enchantments deck is the weakest one and the other 3 are actually insane in their own right.
@@SwagMaster824 The enchantment deck hasn´t any oppressive win con in it. The commander is just delivering the miracle base, there are not many winning creatures and they are all bad if you don´t miracle into them and the rest of the gameplan is a stackish control plan, which only works with certain creatures and enchantments. Shark Typhoon is too expensive, Entreat the Angels is only good in late game (and still too expensive) and Inkshield is a comeback threat only, if your opponents are already able to kill you.
I think the commander is awesome for building an own higher power deck but it´s bad as a precon commander on preconish power levels.
Jump Scare impresses me everytime I see it in action... Great games
Hi Jerry! There were so many triggers this game, I have a feeling Alex wasn't exaggerating about the 5 minutes resolving triggers.
We made our editor work hard this episode. :)
@@TheSpikeFeeders poor Phil, I hope he got his share of Burrito Splendito.
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Love to see the solid as a rock entrance again
22:48 I wish the appreciated Jerry’s Johnny Cash reference
First time watcher, very much enjoyed this!
And just realized you guys are also in Winnipeg. 🤩
Copper Tablet should have gone in the Valgavoth deck would have been 10/10
I put one in mine and it's amazing! :D
I love how winter is subtlety a good insect commander lol
Best commander show. Thanks @mtg for giving early access to this channel so we can see how these decks play. Also hi Jerry and do you really cultivate soybeans? I must know!
i realised only today that the burrito sponsor is a real sponsor XD i thought it was just a generic thank you without any real contractual implication
Great video! Good to see Jerry again too ^_^ No worries about the Tainted Wood - things happen!
Jan missed a lot of triggers because any creature that enters is also a Forest so Tatyova Triggers and Zimone triggers. But hey complicated board state so understandable.😅
I'm surprised by the cutting of the Ancient Cellarspawn as it's the card I was most excited for from that deck.
Jerry with a little bit of Johnny! Love it!
These decks are fantastic!! Can’t tell if I want Lord of Pain or Aminatou 🤔
SOLID AS A ROCK
I have made that same mistake with Tainted lands multiple times
their formatting is super close to the pain lands, so if you aren't looking closely and you know you have both in your deck, well...
I feel like hex parasite would have been a perfect include for the golgari deck cheap easy repeatable way to remove finality counters
it was nice to see the miracle worker deck doing things lol. i gotta make sure to take note of those upgrades!
Hi Jerry! (you could use it). I really enjoy all the gameplay and deck techs, keep it up guys! Love the content!
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@@jerry32123 How you doing man? Good to see you play! Keep it up!
feels weird to see the guy win who plays tainted woods as an llanowar wastes all the time and not having a second black source until turn 7. And in the intro you said Rendmaw was cutted and in turn 6 it got played. things happened there :S
I don't expect anyone to play perfectly, but that Tainted Wood mix up was nagging me really hard. 😬
@@bartobär1991 mistakes happen and all together it was still a nice match to watch but this mistake lead to several illegal moves and something in me has a problem with it.
Lets just pretend this tainted woods was a Proxy for llanowar wastes
Funny thing is, Jerry misplaying Tainted Wood was essentially purely a disadvantage. He could have played the artifact land turn 1, turn 2 tainted wood, sol ring and Steve, and gotten a swamp, and then nothing would have changed apart from Jerry having more life.
@@PhalanxLord something pretty big happened: it grew Madison’s commander a few times.
just 1 question, if all your creatures are a land beocuse ashaya, whenever you put a facedaw card shouldnt it triggers your commander? ohh i didnt reach yert the part when you realizes that, i didnt say anything xD
I'm still sitting here fuming that it isn't only the second landfall :D
I love a good underdog win. Everyone seemed so strong and impossible to deal with except for Jerry who mostly played support for Maddy and struggled with his Delirium and then he was the only one left because the remaining ones got greedy haha
Super sad to not having seen Rendmaw in action though!
Hi Jerry! I think you played real good.
Hello! Thanks!
22:50 I appreciate your Johnny Cash reference Jerry!
Always a great game when it looks like anyone can win towards the end.
Hi Jerry. Pls stop hurting yourself. We love you.
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Hey jerry!! Hit'em with that POWER!!!
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If my amateur math is correct, 4 turn 1 sol rings is somewhere in the neighborhood of a 1 in 25,000 chance.
Math for nerds: Hypergeometric calc says 1 card in opening hand+draw is 8.08%
0.0808^4=0.0000426231402496
Don't forget the free mulligan
Question about what was taken out if not rendmaw since you casted it at 24:17
A splendido game, great upgrades 👌🏼
Jan's reaction at 40:14 is perfect.
That is so hilarious because I had a game with tainted wood and I did the same exact thing and took a damage every time I wanted a colored mana until I realized like 6 turns in lmao
HI jerry nice that you are here!
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Hi Jerry :D (I love the little editor's note ^^)
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Haha it boggles my mind that Tatyova lived as long as she did, she's always a kill-on-site card for my playgroup
I think the Zimone deck could use a sac outlet, for Yedora combo
Going into Jan's turn 2. After seeing his first spell... "Now we are pod racing!" 😂
Hi Jerry! You seem like a really nice guy and you remind me of a couple of co-workers of mine, I hope everything is going well for you, and if it isn't, keep going my friend, things will be better in time, as long as you want it , a virtual hug
Hello, and thanks for the virtual hug!
I just caught that more than once Jerry used Tainted Woods for black taking 1 damage instead of having a swamp and making black with it.
We had a comment about this before the game started. 😊
You guys are Collecting Sol rings like infinity stones hahah
As a little side note question with,,, the creature that makes your guys lands when they enter do they still trigger landfall. Is when I noticed in the long chain of effects I'm upkeep
Hi Jerry. 👋
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I would love to see some of the alternate commanders, especially Lord of Pain
One of our upcoming games is an alt commanders brews episode
You guys are awesome
I was wondering why Maddy wasn't killing the dude that makes forest of Jan's dying creatures with Kaervek
8:38 it's cute when Alex makes dog noises
No joke, the Simic precon just feels like they let a rabid Simic player go ham while building the deck.
Just realized how good winter and zimone would be together. Zimone let's you flip things and mill to help delirium and winter helps return things that you mill.
I like that this game starts on turn 3.
alex' shirt is veeery cool
Sending my best wishes for Jim!
Hi Jerry, hope you're doing well.
Hello, thanks I hope you’re doing well as well!
Jan would have had 5 extra life due to the missed ashaya being a land when it enters and 4 triggers before he noticed the triggers putting him at 11 when one with the multiverse is cast
Alex with Inkshield Again! Never didn’t have it. 😀
you know what would be really good for that Rakdos deck? Copper Tablet
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Hi jerry! Good job!
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Stepping on the gas with those sol rings
I think its bonkers that ahaya, and yidaro is an infinite combo in a precon. Also it did not matter that tainted wood does not work that way. I am not that into horror movies myself but the set does look interesting. Zimone is cracked.
That was a clutch Inkshield
8:28 That's rough...I didn't really care nor do I think it really mattered up until this point that Tainted Wood was being mistaken for Llanowar Wastes.
However, Jerry coulnd't play Ob Nix here and remove Aminatou. Alex woulda made 8 Angels..ugh
Still a great interactive game. Wasn't sure what to expect from "Upgraded" on a mainly cedh channel, but this was fun!
Mainly cedh...? Which channel are you watching lol
@@Chrisuwuchan Fair. I mean at least, when Jim and a few others come on it's a lot more powerful all around. Super high-power
I’m sorry but i just can’t look at how the rakdos player decided to spread the damage
Professor once say :: Reading card, explains card.
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The aminatou is the reason I bought the precons and even looking at duskmourn. Also "hi Jerry"
Great game and upgrade ideas appreciate your time and effort you put into your content 🎉
Love this channel
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Maybe someday some brilliant mind will manage to perfectly navigate Zimone + Ashaya + Yedora boardstates. Any free sac outlet turns it into an at-will Landfall loop at instant speed??
Honorary Llanowar Waste is pretty sweet!
Rendmaw was marked as a cut from Winter, but ended up being played in the game?