This means I can safely put it insade lian LI 011 air mini with using Noctua cpu cooler NH-U12A Chromax, 2x120mm fans. With additional intake, and exhaust fans. This is very important aspect of PC building people tend to forget.
I know this might not be the type of content that draws the most attention around embargo lifts but it is actually so valuable for people realistically looking into building with a processor. Thankful for some unique and relatable content on review drop that's not just blasting the chip with a 4090 in 1080p...
For some of us... After knowing that the 9800X3D is worth for upgrading. This is the most useful and I have always ending coming back to this channel to see if my cooler fits in any given case, to check if a new cooler is compatible with the some socket or for today if the 120 watts that this cpu draws will be OK with my budget air cooler for full ATX or mini-itx builds
@@Horstelin the comment is more regarding a refreshing difference in the topics of reviewing the product, not undermining the necessity of those benchmarks mentioned.
I managed to snag a 9800X3D this morning, before they sold out everywhere. I'm doing a new build with an Asrock Nova X870E, 64gb DDR5 6400 and a D15 G2 cooler with PTM 7950. I've had all the other parts sitting in a pile for a while, so I'm really exited to have the CPU ordered now. I tried out the PTM 7950 on my 5900X and it's performing a little bit better than MX-6 right out of the box! Hard to say how much it's improving over time, because I have to measure sound too, with my fan curves. Initial testing showed a 2-4c reduction, while also dropping 1-2db. I also setup a new Fractal North XL, with four Noctua 140mm G2 fans and have been running it with my existing 5900X system for several weeks now. I'm VERY happy with it!
It’s not going be sold out everywhere. CPUs in gaming as in demand as you may think. In fact the last gen isn’t max out, and unless you have a 4090….. this isn’t a must have day 1……. Not mention no big games, that are cpu heavy released around this time…..which is the entire point of all this…..the gam3s
I‘m glad you recommended the Atmos 240. I’m running this exact cooler inside my Dan A4 H2O and can’t wait to throw the 9800X3D in there (if I can actually get my hands on one).
Such a good practical video. The insights with 120mm and single towers is helpful. Im helping my nephews build rigs for the holidays. These small differences make a big buying difference.
This video definitely helps with my upcoming build! Kind of wish you show temps for a larger air cooler but you did mention that Peerless assassin which I did get so hopefully everything will be fine
Thanks for this. I'm planning to put it in the Fractal Ridge and I was worried about putting it under a 67mm cooler. Guess I had nothing to worry about since I will rarely be doing multicore workloads.
I'm really interested to know if 9800x3d's power efficiency can be further improved with PBO CO negative offset and power limiting. Cooling this thing while it's running in 65W Eco Mode shouldn't be a problem for the majority of low profile coolers out there it's just how much performance will one lose (if any) going this route.
This is very helpful, not many channels talk about minimum required cooling, especially not so quickly after launch, but cooling matters to actual consumers. Just a small asterisk: you mention requirements between heavy multi-core workloads and gaming scenario's are different, but there's a lot of games that hit the CPU hard at all cores while shader caching. It's not massively impactful as it would just clock down a bit on smaller coolers and take slightly longer, but it's also not non-existing for gaming scenario's in that sense. Massive nitpick though. Thanks for your work!
Sure thing and point well taken. It’s more of a broad recommendation, for most gaming uses I would expect somewhere around 65-75W, higher than that doesn’t change the calculus too much unless one is truly on the fringe with their cooling solution.
glad you did this but i was hoping you woukld show the othe coolers too ID-Cooling IS-67-XT BLACK 120mm ID-Cooling FROZN A610 BLACK 120mm DeepCool DC-AK620-DIGITAL-PRO AK620 Digital 120mm
I got 5800xd and playing on 1440p so this cpu would give me pretty much 5 more fps. So no rush at all. I bet this rock will serve fine for next 4-5 years.
I have mine in a 6L case and I'm using a Thermalright AXP120-X67 with a 140mm thin Silverstone fan replacing the 120mm. I've got it setup to exhaust instead of intake since that worked best for my application. With a 7800X3D with PBO and CO -30, in a 30 minute Cinebench R23 test it scored 16597, swapping to the 9800X3D with PBO and CO -30 it improved to 22422. It doesn't show to ever thermal throttle in HWinfo, but it does run at the 95C limit the entire test and peaked at 146W.
Yesterday I had someone specifically ask how well this CPU might do in a mITX case with a low profile cooler. Then this popped in my feed so I immediately shared it.
Very cool review! I'm going to build my first pc soon, I'd like to build it myself (following a tutorial of course) and I'd like to avoid liquid cooling because I'm a bit scared of the maintenance it requires. So, for mostly gaming air cooling is going to be enough? Is the CPU able to self regulate? Or if I'm going to use just air cooling, should I look for a 7800x3d? Or maybe I can stop fearing liquid cooling...
Another thing to consider is this: I saw another youtuber (Peperaio Hardware) who was able to undervolt the 9800X3D and make it draw the same power as the 7800X3D does. In the same test, the peak temperature was 25 degrees cooler (!) than the 7800X3D. It's definitely worth trying and shows how much the internal cooling of the CPU was improved
Very good info to have, I'm a big fan of air cooling and by all metrics, an upgrade from my i7-12700KF actually wouldn't be that much of a problem at all. There's certain games that have annoying CPU bottlenecks at 1440p with my chip and my 4070 Ti is literally made for 1440p gaming, so I'd get excellent gains in many of my favorite games, not to mention future proofing and moving to DDR5. This info was one of the last data points I needed since my current cooler should easily be enough and IF i decide to start doing some crazy all core workloads...then I can always upgrade :D
Apparently the undervoting performance can be insane with this chip (if you get a good one) Would be interested to see how the L12S handles in an optimised setup.. 🤔
This is an awesome video!! Super exactly what I was looking for. I have a the NCASE T1. Loved your review on it, and im glad to hear the 9800x3d should be able to push gaming only work loads. Will you be willing to do a direct review of the 9800x3d in the T1?
I'm so glad that you put this out today! I want to upgrade to a 9800x3d but I also want to keep my NZXT H1 V2. It looks like the 140mm aio should work since I only game on this system. thanks!
Thank you for a great test! How do you think, Deepcool AK500 Digital will be enough for 9800X3D? :) Don't want to cover RAM with bigger one and don't want an AIO :)
I’ve got the the ROG Crosshair X870E Hero latest bios and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 Black, G Skill Ultra Low Latency cl28 6000MHz 2x16gb with direct memory cooling, Samsung 990 Evo Pro 2TB M.2, Asus RTX 4080 Super, Corsair rm1000x 80 gold plus fully modular and for the PC case the Corsair 7000D and holy ish after delidding the CPU the temps dropped almost 20c no joke it also helps to have my AC at 69 degrees 24/7. This rig is strictly for gaming I’m so happy with it.
I would love that, it's basically the biggest you can go in the Terra if you go with a 4080 or a 4090 and the full copper version could maybe potentially just handle it?
Thing is, this chip will be at 20-40% utilization during gaming. Cooling wont be an issue. I run a low pro scyth on my 5800x3d. Its between 60-70c gaming on a 1440p monitor with a 7900xtx. Max settings. This should run cooler with the cashe on the bottom.
Since I had a Ryzen 2700X thru to my 5900X my Noctua NH-U12A has been plenty of cooling. It's not now. I noticed my new 9950X is hitting 95C when I was testing it with Cinebench R23. I have nerfed it to a 90C limit while I look at cooling solutions that can dissipate a higher TDP. My old air cooler might be able to cool a 9800X3D though, but it would be marginal. I am not even sure a 360mm AIO will prevent it going over 90C when stress testing. Not a problem for normal use though. There are very few applications that push it that hard.
U12A will be more than enough for the 9800X3D. I’m kind of curious about the performance with 9950X actually, I would think it would be better. Two questions- what’s your case/airflow setup and did you get the new offset mounting bars from Noctua?
The limitation isn't the radiator surface area. The main bottleneck for heat transfer currently on 7000/9000 series is the real thick IHS. Direct die cooled at stock settings the 9800X3D doesn't break 55C even in cinebench. At 5.6GHz overclocked, it maxes out at 65C. Check out Der8auer's video. If you really care about temps, consider at least a high performance heat spreader or direct die cooling.
I am looking at this CPU for mainly gaming but also intensive audio production. Do you believe an aircooler is enough to get by? Something like a Peerless Assassin 120 or Frost Commander 140. Would love to hear your thoughts.
So I have a Corsair 4000D Airflow and a Noctua NH-U12A, as well as 5 Noctua NFA12x25 Fans (3 Front, 1 Back, 1 Top). It currently cools the 5800x3D no problem whatsoever. If I ever get a 9800x3D, this setup should do fine right?
Yeah no doubt. Sorry I forgot to mention this one. The U12A is more like a dual tower in performance since it has a top in class heatsink plus two of the best 120mm fans on the market.
Enjoyed the niche video, I've been looking for content like this, good stuff! What about testing the Noctua NHL9a AM5 version? Isn't it a more efficient cooler than the IS30 at a similar size?
It’s taller for sure and works better, but still on the level where I wouldn’t feel comfortable running this CPU without a heavy negative curve offset, and definitely not for critical heavy multicore stuff.
Ive got a 9800x3d still in the box, is it worth waiting for the b850 boards? Im looking to do an SFF/MSFF build in a dan a3 or Ncase M2. We dont have much choices with the b650 stock waning here in Australia, choices largely limited to the Msi Mag Mortar Matx, Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX, and Strix b650e-i
not as interesting as the benchmarking results but honestly it is a nice change of pace to see how it'll stand against coolers that aren't the standard 360mm form factor, liquid freezer or nh d15 2nd gen.
@ the great thing about that case is that it is able to house both 240/280mm AIO’S well also at the same time accommodate the biggest GPU’S possible (think 4090 Strix). There are currently not many ITX cases that are able to do that. It is very pricey though
Hello, first time commenting (I think). I'm helping a friend put together a system and hes eyeing the 9800x3d, do you think it would work well with the A620I Lightning? Thanks for the video coverage!
Cheers! I believe Asrock's version of the A620I can support up to 120W TDP AM5 CPUs (unlike others that are 65W TDP only), so on spec it is fine, if you really really wanted to min/max then that could in fact be OK (assuming I'm remembering correctly on the TDP spec for the board). That being said, this is a $480 CPU, so personally I would recommend at minimum a B650I board here, you will get more granular control of PBO settings, better and more IO, and I think it would be money well spent to pair with at least something like Asrock's B650I (which is still light on IO however). My two typical recommendations for B650 ITX are MSI and Asus's, I think those are the most complete boards, even though more pricey, you get the IO you need, and those are the two BIOS implementations I prefer as well. We will have B850 rolling in very soon as well, so there will be more options.
Interested to see how the 9800X3D does with a negative offset in Curve optimizer. -10, -15, -20, -30 if even possible. I wonder if it could hit full boost clocks at 88 watts.
Did you test the 9800x3d in the ncore 100 max? That's my exact case with the 120mm thick radiator aio. I'm planning on upgrading to the 9800x3d for gaming and wanted to know the max temps with it
The CoolerMaster 212 doesn't have enough cooling due the gaps between the pipes on the plate and also the heatpipe count. I think a 90mm dual tower cooler with full copper plate will outperform it. For air cooling high power CPUs I use the Snowman BM6000.
Indeed, the good dual towers such as what you have, and others like the PA120, D15 will all perform similarly to a 240, as will a good single tower like the Noctua U12A. I tested smaller air coolers for a little more value added to the discussion.
Can you add to your homework as well this combo? Thermalright axp120 x67, with silverstone air slimmer 120 fan and noctua nt-h2 thermal paste? In a lot of posts I saw that this was the best performing combo for < 70mm cpu cooler height (best used to fractal design ridge). Thanks
You don’t need a 360 and won’t get a meaningful performance bump unless you plan to manually overclock, but it’s absolutely fine and great for low noise levels as long as you have the space.
Hi, that was an interesting and would like your advice as I'm hesitating about the type of cooling. I'm planning to do a mini-ITX build with a Lian Li TU150 and if I go with a watercooling AIO, I have only space for a 120mm fan which if I remember it right, there was a manual saying it has to be placed in front. I have room to add two fans at the bottom and one fan at the rear. Do you think an AIO is good for this kind of case with 9800X3D CPU or is it better with a tower? And if you have specific models?
If you have the TU150 I would go for a big tower cooler, they also work well with the airflow setup for the case. The most cost effective are ones like Thermalright’s PA120 and Phantom Spirit 120, these will give you performance closer to a 240mm AIO without the form factor restrictions. The TU150 is more geared towards air cooler clearance so you might as well take advantage of that!
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much for your advice. Just to be sure, an AIO 120 is not ideal then? I was thinking about the Asus ROG Ryuo 120 at first, with the screen for displaying temperatures and stuff. For tower fan, I heard Noctua had the best fan but you think Thermalright's models are better?
So you're saying a 9800x3d would work in a Mini itx case, losing just a tiny amount of Mhz. But how does this work for a 7800x3d in a Mini itx case using Noctua NH-L12S ?
I'm really torn. my 5800x3d build was in an absolutely massive case with a custom loop and two 360 mm radiators. in all honesty. I kind of hate it. I am really thinking about doing a compact build on air this time around. I just don't know. i dont know what to do xD I suspect i have about 3 weeks to decide before my preorder gets filled given my past experience with amazons overly cautious backorder dates.
I'm planning on getting a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler for my 9800X3D (whenever that happens - sometime this month). Since I won't be OC'ing it, and I won't use it for anything beyond games, (so no apps that'll push all core workloads to max), it should be fine?
Additional data point for you: I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 42*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. Gaming load is super-light in comparison.
Wonder how the 9800x3d will fare with 140mm AIO? Eyeing the coolermaster core n100, it's not the best case, not the cheapest, but it's vertical, tiny desk footprint, room for huge gpu, very easy itx build.
The Ncore 100 max I assume? It uses a thick rad 120mm AIO which should be sufficient for the 9800X3D all full power but as mentioned you won’t have much headroom for higher ambient temps or simultaneous GPU usage during full CPU load. The case also prioritizes GPU cooling so the intake path for the rad is not as direct as it could be. I would expect temps closer to the 90-95 degree range at full load.
@@MachinesMore since I'm playing 3440*1440 and doing AI stuff on the side (mostly GPU), I guess it'll be ok. And the PC is in a basement room, it's always colder than ambient. I hope one day we have a case where the radiator and fans are OUTSIDE the case, protected with a dust filter.
Hey, I ordered the 240mm Atmos recently. Is replacing the fans necessary, useful at all? For both small cases like the h20 and bigger cases like the nr200.
Not necessary at all, the stock fans are quite good. If you are chasing every last degree then yes you can upgrade, I have used NF-A12x25 and Phanteks T30 on that rad with great results.
Just picked a 9800x3D up from my local MC, but worried the ID cool IS 55 won't be good enough to cool this CPU, which then begs the question if I should just return and exchange for a 9700x instead.
Depends on how you use it. Under gaming loads 9800X3D actually draws less power. For heavy all core loads for sure the IS-55 will be too little cooler for the 9800X3D, while it will work great for the stock (65W TDP) 9700X.
Oh yes, this draws way less than 12700K with a much less thermally dense design vs the 7000 series X3D chips. One thing you might want to look at is the AM5 offset bars from Noctua, if you don’t have them already.
@MachinesMore Alright good to hear. I'll be looking into those offset bars. Been rocking the 12700k and 64gb CL16 3600 ddr4 for this whole year with my 4090 holding out for a new CPU and Intel this round just kind of disappointed. So AMD it is. Im looking at getting 64GB of GSkill XFlare CL30 6000 ram, MSI X870 Tomahawk WiFi and the 9800x3d when I get the chance to snag one up.
@@MachinesMore Ive now got my 9800x3d up and running. My one thing is whenever I launch any game it'll spike to a max package temp of 85-90C for a split second but than drop to 50-70/75C while in game. Is this normal? Noctua NH-D15 cooler. 2 fans at front 3 on top 1 at back and just 1 fan on the cpu cooler tower. Fractal Design 7XL with an aftermarket front panel that allows more air flow via the front of the case.
Should be a great fit, you will see higher fan speeds at full load since it’s a single fan cooler, but it will work well and will be very quiet for gaming.
Seems inefficient. I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 43*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. I would think an aio would get much lower...
You could absolutely do that- one thing I will note is that unless form factor constrained, with how cheap the LF III 240 is now (~$70) I would just grab one since the user can get away with low fan speeds for a super quiet setup.
I'm using a AIO with 200mhz+, 10x scaler and -25 on curve optimizer. Idle is between 33-40 but with gaming it can go up to 85c. Is that normal or am i doing something wrong?
Depends on the how much it is! 7800X3D is still second best and features lower power draw than the 9800X3D (you could of course dial back the 9800X3D to a lower PPT but then why bother paying more for one?).
@@MachinesMore I'm also thinking of doing something similarly in the Terra with the ID-COOLING IS-67. Do you think it will be fine to cool it like your 7800x3d build?
Had a typo in the chart at 9:11- the IS-30 is thermally throttling and the temp number should read 95.2, not 92.2.
This means I can safely put it insade lian LI 011 air mini with using Noctua cpu cooler NH-U12A Chromax, 2x120mm fans. With additional intake, and exhaust fans. This is very important aspect of PC building people tend to forget.
in 3D cpu above 80* can damage cash
I know this might not be the type of content that draws the most attention around embargo lifts but it is actually so valuable for people realistically looking into building with a processor. Thankful for some unique and relatable content on review drop that's not just blasting the chip with a 4090 in 1080p...
Awesome, glad it’s helpful!
Absolutely agree with you. Thanks to the M&M for clearing things up. Now I could relax by choosing PH 120SE and not worry about temperatures
For some of us... After knowing that the 9800X3D is worth for upgrading. This is the most useful and I have always ending coming back to this channel to see if my cooler fits in any given case, to check if a new cooler is compatible with the some socket or for today if the 120 watts that this cpu draws will be OK with my budget air cooler for full ATX or mini-itx builds
Have to say though testing with a 4090 in 1080p makes sense as you want to be as cpu limited as much for actually comparing performance between cpus.
@@Horstelin the comment is more regarding a refreshing difference in the topics of reviewing the product, not undermining the necessity of those benchmarks mentioned.
This is the first video I've seen talking about this subject (9800x3D), good job!!!
I was a little sad to not see a SFF cooler in the main review but colour me surprise you where cooking a dedicated video, love this channel
😀Cooling is a little more in depth, figured it would be better as it’s own little blurb!
this channel is so underrated man. i appreciate the coverage for sff cases and coolers
I managed to snag a 9800X3D this morning, before they sold out everywhere. I'm doing a new build with an Asrock Nova X870E, 64gb DDR5 6400 and a D15 G2 cooler with PTM 7950. I've had all the other parts sitting in a pile for a while, so I'm really exited to have the CPU ordered now.
I tried out the PTM 7950 on my 5900X and it's performing a little bit better than MX-6 right out of the box! Hard to say how much it's improving over time, because I have to measure sound too, with my fan curves. Initial testing showed a 2-4c reduction, while also dropping 1-2db.
I also setup a new Fractal North XL, with four Noctua 140mm G2 fans and have been running it with my existing 5900X system for several weeks now. I'm VERY happy with it!
Is that the special thermal pad right? I myself want to try it out on a 5800x3d
I did an online reserve at microcenter this morning. It’s reserved for me and they still show 25+. Where did you get yours?
That's pretty much what I'm getting, same cpu, case, cooler and fans. Can you tell me what temps are you getting, so I have an ideia
It’s not going be sold out everywhere. CPUs in gaming as in demand as you may think. In fact the last gen isn’t max out, and unless you have a 4090….. this isn’t a must have day 1……. Not mention no big games, that are cpu heavy released around this time…..which is the entire point of all this…..the gam3s
@@djnes2k7 A lot of people had failed Intel 13/14th gens and have been waiting for this chip, so if anything sells out, this will be it.
As someone who held out for this CPU and is building a SFF PC - thank you for making this video!
Good, love these kind of review.... Not just bench but another info for us... Nice bro 🎉
This was the exact set of questions I needed investigated, thank you so much for doing the work!
Needed this video and it came out. What a channel
I‘m glad you recommended the Atmos 240. I’m running this exact cooler inside my Dan A4 H2O and can’t wait to throw the 9800X3D in there (if I can actually get my hands on one).
Such a good practical video. The insights with 120mm and single towers is helpful. Im helping my nephews build rigs for the holidays. These small differences make a big buying difference.
Exactly the question i was asking me this morning 😁👍
Damn that was fast, I was just about to grab one from microcenter and try it out myself.
This video definitely helps with my upcoming build! Kind of wish you show temps for a larger air cooler but you did mention that Peerless assassin which I did get so hopefully everything will be fine
Thanks for this. I'm planning to put it in the Fractal Ridge and I was worried about putting it under a 67mm cooler. Guess I had nothing to worry about since I will rarely be doing multicore workloads.
I'm really interested to know if 9800x3d's power efficiency can be further improved with PBO CO negative offset and power limiting. Cooling this thing while it's running in 65W Eco Mode shouldn't be a problem for the majority of low profile coolers out there it's just how much performance will one lose (if any) going this route.
Yup! It sure can. I’ll be doing a demo for the PBO setup, timing wise trying to sync up to folks getting the CPU in hand.
@MachinesMore can you include 5800x3d in comparison
@@MachinesMore great to hear! looking forward to it!
That would be awesome. -20 CO is like default for sff.
@@MachinesMore Dont forget to always verify undervolts (Cinebench etc.) to avoid "clock stretching"
Love the content. Detailed info
This was helpful as I plan my next build for Christmas!
Man, the visuals have improved!
I wish I could like this video more times. Itx building is my passion and I love that there is a video for this. Thank you!
This is very helpful, not many channels talk about minimum required cooling, especially not so quickly after launch, but cooling matters to actual consumers. Just a small asterisk: you mention requirements between heavy multi-core workloads and gaming scenario's are different, but there's a lot of games that hit the CPU hard at all cores while shader caching. It's not massively impactful as it would just clock down a bit on smaller coolers and take slightly longer, but it's also not non-existing for gaming scenario's in that sense. Massive nitpick though. Thanks for your work!
Sure thing and point well taken. It’s more of a broad recommendation, for most gaming uses I would expect somewhere around 65-75W, higher than that doesn’t change the calculus too much unless one is truly on the fringe with their cooling solution.
glad you did this
but i was hoping you woukld show the othe coolers too
ID-Cooling IS-67-XT BLACK 120mm
ID-Cooling FROZN A610 BLACK 120mm
DeepCool DC-AK620-DIGITAL-PRO AK620 Digital 120mm
Not shopping for a new CPU since I just built a 7800X3D SFF rig, but it’s still fun to see the new chip design evolve.
I got 5800xd and playing on 1440p so this cpu would give me pretty much 5 more fps. So no rush at all. I bet this rock will serve fine for next 4-5 years.
Exactly what I was looking for. Some like them small :)
The all-core blender render is imo the best choice for showing thermal performance. Again, well done.
Cheers. Agreed, Blender is very consistent for that purpose and a good example of a typical heavy all core workload.
I have mine in a 6L case and I'm using a Thermalright AXP120-X67 with a 140mm thin Silverstone fan replacing the 120mm. I've got it setup to exhaust instead of intake since that worked best for my application. With a 7800X3D with PBO and CO -30, in a 30 minute Cinebench R23 test it scored 16597, swapping to the 9800X3D with PBO and CO -30 it improved to 22422. It doesn't show to ever thermal throttle in HWinfo, but it does run at the 95C limit the entire test and peaked at 146W.
Thanks a lot for this very interesting study! Planning to check Noctua C14S and NH-D12L with the R7 9800X3D!
Should be a good choice. You building in an M2?
@@MachinesMore Oh no...allmighty Cerberus-X..:D ATX MB SFF king with N-ATX..:D
I use the C14S + a lian Li TL 140mm.
Works great in a Jonsbo TK-1
Would have been very nice to have a comparation chart with 7800X3D specially on the Terra.
Yesterday I had someone specifically ask how well this CPU might do in a mITX case with a low profile cooler. Then this popped in my feed so I immediately shared it.
I was wondering how much better this new 3D cache design is for keeping things cool, thanks!
When drawing down full power (~55% more vs 7800X3D) it can maintain the same temps as it. So it is quite a big improvement.
Great, just the content i was looking for!!!
Very cool review! I'm going to build my first pc soon, I'd like to build it myself (following a tutorial of course) and I'd like to avoid liquid cooling because I'm a bit scared of the maintenance it requires. So, for mostly gaming air cooling is going to be enough? Is the CPU able to self regulate?
Or if I'm going to use just air cooling, should I look for a 7800x3d? Or maybe I can stop fearing liquid cooling...
any numbers whit Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 Mini ?
Just run it in eco mode. I forgot which reviewer it was, but they saw very little difference in gaming performance using the 65tdp limit
Another thing to consider is this: I saw another youtuber (Peperaio Hardware) who was able to undervolt the 9800X3D and make it draw the same power as the 7800X3D does. In the same test, the peak temperature was 25 degrees cooler (!) than the 7800X3D. It's definitely worth trying and shows how much the internal cooling of the CPU was improved
even stock for stock, the 9800x3d pulls more power, but due to the redesign runs quite a bit cooler still.
Great video! Informative and concise. GG!
Very good info to have, I'm a big fan of air cooling and by all metrics, an upgrade from my i7-12700KF actually wouldn't be that much of a problem at all. There's certain games that have annoying CPU bottlenecks at 1440p with my chip and my 4070 Ti is literally made for 1440p gaming, so I'd get excellent gains in many of my favorite games, not to mention future proofing and moving to DDR5. This info was one of the last data points I needed since my current cooler should easily be enough and IF i decide to start doing some crazy all core workloads...then I can always upgrade :D
Very useful info here! Thank you
Apparently the undervoting performance can be insane with this chip (if you get a good one) Would be interested to see how the L12S handles in an optimised setup.. 🤔
This is an awesome video!! Super exactly what I was looking for. I have a the NCASE T1. Loved your review on it, and im glad to hear the 9800x3d should be able to push gaming only work loads. Will you be willing to do a direct review of the 9800x3d in the T1?
I'm so glad that you put this out today! I want to upgrade to a 9800x3d but I also want to keep my NZXT H1 V2. It looks like the 140mm aio should work since I only game on this system. thanks!
Yes
Thank you for a great test!
How do you think, Deepcool AK500 Digital will be enough for 9800X3D? :) Don't want to cover RAM with bigger one and don't want an AIO :)
I’ve got the the ROG Crosshair X870E Hero latest bios and the Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 Black, G Skill Ultra Low Latency cl28 6000MHz 2x16gb with direct memory cooling, Samsung 990 Evo Pro 2TB M.2, Asus RTX 4080 Super, Corsair rm1000x 80 gold plus fully modular and for the PC case the Corsair 7000D and holy ish after delidding the CPU the temps dropped almost 20c no joke it also helps to have my AC at 69 degrees 24/7. This rig is strictly for gaming I’m so happy with it.
That is some fast RAM! Sounds like a nice build and enjoy it.
Please test with Thermalright AXP90-X47/X53 Full Copper!
I would love that, it's basically the biggest you can go in the Terra if you go with a 4080 or a 4090 and the full copper version could maybe potentially just handle it?
Curious about this too!
I added this to my homework list 🙏
Im moving from a 5800X3D setup to a 9800X3D, I suppose I might as well just reuse the 240mm AIO I already have. Thanks for the info!
I already have thermalright pa 120 mini, will it handle this cpu?
Thing is, this chip will be at 20-40% utilization during gaming. Cooling wont be an issue. I run a low pro scyth on my 5800x3d. Its between 60-70c gaming on a 1440p monitor with a 7900xtx. Max settings. This should run cooler with the cashe on the bottom.
Since I had a Ryzen 2700X thru to my 5900X my Noctua NH-U12A has been plenty of cooling. It's not now. I noticed my new 9950X is hitting 95C when I was testing it with Cinebench R23. I have nerfed it to a 90C limit while I look at cooling solutions that can dissipate a higher TDP. My old air cooler might be able to cool a 9800X3D though, but it would be marginal. I am not even sure a 360mm AIO will prevent it going over 90C when stress testing. Not a problem for normal use though. There are very few applications that push it that hard.
U12A will be more than enough for the 9800X3D. I’m kind of curious about the performance with 9950X actually, I would think it would be better. Two questions- what’s your case/airflow setup and did you get the new offset mounting bars from Noctua?
The limitation isn't the radiator surface area. The main bottleneck for heat transfer currently on 7000/9000 series is the real thick IHS. Direct die cooled at stock settings the 9800X3D doesn't break 55C even in cinebench. At 5.6GHz overclocked, it maxes out at 65C.
Check out Der8auer's video. If you really care about temps, consider at least a high performance heat spreader or direct die cooling.
I am looking at this CPU for mainly gaming but also intensive audio production. Do you believe an aircooler is enough to get by? Something like a Peerless Assassin 120 or Frost Commander 140. Would love to hear your thoughts.
So I have a Corsair 4000D Airflow and a Noctua NH-U12A, as well as 5 Noctua NFA12x25 Fans (3 Front, 1 Back, 1 Top). It currently cools the 5800x3D no problem whatsoever. If I ever get a 9800x3D, this setup should do fine right?
Yeah no doubt. Sorry I forgot to mention this one. The U12A is more like a dual tower in performance since it has a top in class heatsink plus two of the best 120mm fans on the market.
im getting 9800x3d tomorrow, I will be running it with the peerless assassin 120 in a fish bowl case let's see how it goes.
Great video! Is it still recommended to offset coolers like with the 7000 series?
Thanks! Yes, the CCD placement is the same as 7000.
Enjoyed the niche video, I've been looking for content like this, good stuff! What about testing the Noctua NHL9a AM5 version? Isn't it a more efficient cooler than the IS30 at a similar size?
It’s taller for sure and works better, but still on the level where I wouldn’t feel comfortable running this CPU without a heavy negative curve offset, and definitely not for critical heavy multicore stuff.
Ive got a 9800x3d still in the box, is it worth waiting for the b850 boards? Im looking to do an SFF/MSFF build in a dan a3 or Ncase M2.
We dont have much choices with the b650 stock waning here in Australia, choices largely limited to the Msi Mag Mortar Matx, Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX, and Strix b650e-i
not as interesting as the benchmarking results but honestly it is a nice change of pace to see how it'll stand against coolers that aren't the standard 360mm form factor, liquid freezer or nh d15 2nd gen.
Can you also review the Thorzone NanoQ S and R version case? I would love to see a build with this CPU in that case :)
Looking into it!
@ the great thing about that case is that it is able to house both 240/280mm AIO’S well also at the same time accommodate the biggest GPU’S possible (think 4090 Strix). There are currently not many ITX cases that are able to do that. It is very pricey though
Love the content bro. 🙏🏼
Oh man, thank you big time!
Hello, first time commenting (I think). I'm helping a friend put together a system and hes eyeing the 9800x3d, do you think it would work well with the A620I Lightning? Thanks for the video coverage!
Cheers! I believe Asrock's version of the A620I can support up to 120W TDP AM5 CPUs (unlike others that are 65W TDP only), so on spec it is fine, if you really really wanted to min/max then that could in fact be OK (assuming I'm remembering correctly on the TDP spec for the board). That being said, this is a $480 CPU, so personally I would recommend at minimum a B650I board here, you will get more granular control of PBO settings, better and more IO, and I think it would be money well spent to pair with at least something like Asrock's B650I (which is still light on IO however). My two typical recommendations for B650 ITX are MSI and Asus's, I think those are the most complete boards, even though more pricey, you get the IO you need, and those are the two BIOS implementations I prefer as well. We will have B850 rolling in very soon as well, so there will be more options.
Interested to see how the 9800X3D does with a negative offset in Curve optimizer. -10, -15, -20, -30 if even possible. I wonder if it could hit full boost clocks at 88 watts.
Did you test the 9800x3d in the ncore 100 max? That's my exact case with the 120mm thick radiator aio. I'm planning on upgrading to the 9800x3d for gaming and wanted to know the max temps with it
How would thermalright full copper versions fair?
The CoolerMaster 212 doesn't have enough cooling due the gaps between the pipes on the plate and also the heatpipe count. I think a 90mm dual tower cooler with full copper plate will outperform it. For air cooling high power CPUs I use the Snowman BM6000.
So I'll be more than good with my Phantom Spirit 120 SE?
Yes, performance should be similar/slightly better than the 240 AIO in this video
Indeed, the good dual towers such as what you have, and others like the PA120, D15 will all perform similarly to a 240, as will a good single tower like the Noctua U12A. I tested smaller air coolers for a little more value added to the discussion.
Can you add to your homework as well this combo? Thermalright axp120 x67, with silverstone air slimmer 120 fan and noctua nt-h2 thermal paste? In a lot of posts I saw that this was the best performing combo for < 70mm cpu cooler height (best used to fractal design ridge). Thanks
Thank you❤
You shouldn't have any problem cooling an AMD processor. The 9800X3D is perfect for compact builds and air cooling.
How are temps on the IS55? I feel like most air cooled sff builds end up in that 40-60mm cpu cooler range instead of 30 or 70
I’m dumb and new , what about atmos 360? I’m building my first pc w this cpu and so far you’ve been super helpful. Thank you 😊
You don’t need a 360 and won’t get a meaningful performance bump unless you plan to manually overclock, but it’s absolutely fine and great for low noise levels as long as you have the space.
@ thx man! You do a great job with the vids! Keep it up 👍🏻
U think we should wait for black friday for a potential deal or get it asap
I heard somewhere the 9800X3D has an eco (65W) mode. Can you confirm this?
That might be the sweet spot for SFF
Hi, that was an interesting and would like your advice as I'm hesitating about the type of cooling.
I'm planning to do a mini-ITX build with a Lian Li TU150 and if I go with a watercooling AIO, I have only space for a 120mm fan which if I remember it right, there was a manual saying it has to be placed in front.
I have room to add two fans at the bottom and one fan at the rear.
Do you think an AIO is good for this kind of case with 9800X3D CPU or is it better with a tower? And if you have specific models?
If you have the TU150 I would go for a big tower cooler, they also work well with the airflow setup for the case. The most cost effective are ones like Thermalright’s PA120 and Phantom Spirit 120, these will give you performance closer to a 240mm AIO without the form factor restrictions. The TU150 is more geared towards air cooler clearance so you might as well take advantage of that!
@@MachinesMore Thank you so much for your advice.
Just to be sure, an AIO 120 is not ideal then? I was thinking about the Asus ROG Ryuo 120 at first, with the screen for displaying temperatures and stuff.
For tower fan, I heard Noctua had the best fan but you think Thermalright's models are better?
So you're saying a 9800x3d would work in a Mini itx case, losing just a tiny amount of Mhz.
But how does this work for a 7800x3d in a Mini itx case using Noctua NH-L12S ?
I'm really torn. my 5800x3d build was in an absolutely massive case with a custom loop and two 360 mm radiators. in all honesty. I kind of hate it. I am really thinking about doing a compact build on air this time around. I just don't know. i dont know what to do xD I suspect i have about 3 weeks to decide before my preorder gets filled given my past experience with amazons overly cautious backorder dates.
i wish i knew exactly the size the 5090 gpus will be.
I'm planning on getting a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler for my 9800X3D (whenever that happens - sometime this month). Since I won't be OC'ing it, and I won't use it for anything beyond games, (so no apps that'll push all core workloads to max), it should be fine?
You’d be fine even doing all core workloads with that. PA 120 series is a beast.
@@MachinesMore Good to know my initial research still checks out, then.
Additional data point for you: I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 42*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. Gaming load is super-light in comparison.
do u think this chip is good enough for cooling with the case for the cooler master nr 200p max?
In your opinion, what is the best 280 AIO? Anything you prefer over the Freezer III 280?
Not really, that is a tough one to beat and priced to win. If you really want to rock out add two NF-A14 G2s.
@ actually already ordered some! Thanks!
That weird feeling when you buy 479€ chip and then you slap Freezer 36 on it.. and then you see temps similar to some 240mm aios ;)
No reason not to min/max here. The Freezer 36 is solid!
Wonder how the 9800x3d will fare with 140mm AIO? Eyeing the coolermaster core n100, it's not the best case, not the cheapest, but it's vertical, tiny desk footprint, room for huge gpu, very easy itx build.
The Ncore 100 max I assume? It uses a thick rad 120mm AIO which should be sufficient for the 9800X3D all full power but as mentioned you won’t have much headroom for higher ambient temps or simultaneous GPU usage during full CPU load. The case also prioritizes GPU cooling so the intake path for the rad is not as direct as it could be. I would expect temps closer to the 90-95 degree range at full load.
@@MachinesMore since I'm playing 3440*1440 and doing AI stuff on the side (mostly GPU), I guess it'll be ok. And the PC is in a basement room, it's always colder than ambient. I hope one day we have a case where the radiator and fans are OUTSIDE the case, protected with a dust filter.
Using L12s for my 9800x3d in a Fractal ridge. Haven’t hit above 80 degrees yet.
Is Dan A4 H2O a better choice for ITX build with 9800x3D vs all the other ones that use air cooling?
Love the A4-H2O. If you want to do a 240 it’s great.
Nice review. How are the pump noises on these radiators? Not too concerned about fan noises but pumps never stop rattling or spinning...
If wanting to build in a T1 and not leave any significant pwrformance on the table seems like the only way to go is aio 240mm
Agreed.
How about the peerless assassin mini? (Thinking about ncase M2 build)
Hey, I ordered the 240mm Atmos recently. Is replacing the fans necessary, useful at all? For both small cases like the h20 and bigger cases like the nr200.
Really love your channel btw thank u
Not necessary at all, the stock fans are quite good. If you are chasing every last degree then yes you can upgrade, I have used NF-A12x25 and Phanteks T30 on that rad with great results.
@@MachinesMore thank you!
How about a 47mm cooler and an undervolt?
no benchmarks for dual tower????
Did you think the thermalright axp90 x53 full copper without pbo??
Thus BEAST runs cooler than Intel 14th gen
Vs Intel 12/13/14th the power draw is very reasonable.
Just picked a 9800x3D up from my local MC, but worried the ID cool IS 55 won't be good enough to cool this CPU, which then begs the question if I should just return and exchange for a 9700x instead.
Depends on how you use it. Under gaming loads 9800X3D actually draws less power. For heavy all core loads for sure the IS-55 will be too little cooler for the 9800X3D, while it will work great for the stock (65W TDP) 9700X.
I'm assuming a Noctua NH-D15 will work? Ive been cooling my i7-12700k with it for a few years now
Oh yes, this draws way less than 12700K with a much less thermally dense design vs the 7000 series X3D chips. One thing you might want to look at is the AM5 offset bars from Noctua, if you don’t have them already.
@MachinesMore Alright good to hear. I'll be looking into those offset bars. Been rocking the 12700k and 64gb CL16 3600 ddr4 for this whole year with my 4090 holding out for a new CPU and Intel this round just kind of disappointed. So AMD it is. Im looking at getting 64GB of GSkill XFlare CL30 6000 ram, MSI X870 Tomahawk WiFi and the 9800x3d when I get the chance to snag one up.
Sure thing. I recall they’ll send them to users for just the cost of shipping. Good luck with the build, sick parts list there.
@@MachinesMore Ive now got my 9800x3d up and running. My one thing is whenever I launch any game it'll spike to a max package temp of 85-90C for a split second but than drop to 50-70/75C while in game. Is this normal? Noctua NH-D15 cooler.
2 fans at front 3 on top 1 at back and just 1 fan on the cpu cooler tower. Fractal Design 7XL with an aftermarket front panel that allows more air flow via the front of the case.
Tried to order one this morning and it's sold out everywhere.
as for any other am4/am5: thermalright peerless assassin/phantom spirit does the job :D
How about thermalright's pa120mini?
Should be a great fit, you will see higher fan speeds at full load since it’s a single fan cooler, but it will work well and will be very quiet for gaming.
@MachinesMore thanks for the reply!
Im getting around 50 degrees in idle and around 88 in Cinebench. Do I need to worry? 360m AIO.
Seems inefficient. I'm running a Scythe Fuma 3 air cooler with 3 fans, idle is 43*, 88* in Cinebench at 165W (throttles at 95*), 22* (72F) ambient. I would think an aio would get much lower...
Should try they hyper 212 in a push pull dual fan setup. Thats how we used to wring an extra 3-4 c outta them.
You could absolutely do that- one thing I will note is that unless form factor constrained, with how cheap the LF III 240 is now (~$70) I would just grab one since the user can get away with low fan speeds for a super quiet setup.
I'm using a AIO with 200mhz+, 10x scaler and -25 on curve optimizer. Idle is between 33-40 but with gaming it can go up to 85c. Is that normal or am i doing something wrong?
Would the Noctua NH-D12L work well?
Yes!
thermalright copper>noctua. can you do some benchmarks in sub 5L builds
Pearless assasin or phantom spirit ?
I am building a new rig and considering whether I should get an used 7800x3d or a new 9800x3d for the fractal terra with the L12Sx77?
Depends on the how much it is! 7800X3D is still second best and features lower power draw than the 9800X3D (you could of course dial back the 9800X3D to a lower PPT but then why bother paying more for one?).
@@MachinesMore I'm also thinking of doing something similarly in the Terra with the ID-COOLING IS-67. Do you think it will be fine to cool it like your 7800x3d build?
Nvm, just saw ur thoughts and charts with the L12S! Thanks so much!
Yeah it’ll be on the margin for heavy all core but gaming is A-OK.