The actors that play Naomi, Drummer, and Marco were actually friends IRL prior to the show. The three of them were out at a bar the night the show was canceled after season 3. When Amazon started it back up with season 4, he auditioned and landed the marco role.
its funy that in his and Wes Chatham's podcast, writer and producer Tye Franck creditted their casting to the fact that Cara Gee is apparently friends with everyone.
"Under whose authority?!" this book/season is styled/inspired by the wild west of the U.S., when a lot of authority was basically whoever had the guns and a badge. The rest of civilization is SO FAR away from Ilus that there's no outside recourse or anyone to appeal to that can realistically do anything before this is all over. The show doesn't do a great job of expressing just how far and how long the Roci crew had to travel just to get to Ilus (i believe it's something like 72 days just from Medina Station which is in the ring space, so tack on the time it takes to get from Earth to there). Murtry has firepower and a team willing to follow his orders, so he has the authority to do whatever he wants. He's banking on the idea that if he is able to squash the settlers and establish his company's rights to the planet, that they'll make any potential charges go away and pay him handsomely for it. That is until he runs into Holden who also has firepower and isn't going to look the other way just because Murtry waves a charter in his face.
Also, he actually is the one with the badge there. He's the chief of security for the UN mission and after the attack on the landing party, he's probably the highest authority in the UN mission who's still alive.
@@Ryuu44 Murtry is not the chief of security of a UN mission, he's the chief of security of a private Earth corporation...about like Captain Shaddid on Ceres. Notice, btw, that Murtry has cut off communication back to RCE...because he doesn't want their supervision of his activities. OTOH, Holden is on a mission directly from the Queen of Earth. Holden has the greater authority on Illus.
@@Ryuu44 Murtry is the chief of security for the *private company* that has the charter. He holds no law enforcement authority from the UN and, if wants to claim the charter has any meaning, then he should obey all UN laws. The closest thing to real law enforcement authority resides with the crew of the Rocinante, who were sent to Illus/New Terra by the Secretary-General of the UN -- the governmental organization that granted the charter to Murtry's employers. Murtry is exactly as Amos correctly identified him -- a killer who takes pleasure in murder, and uses any pretext he possibly can to let him get away with what he does. Murtry actually reminds me, a fair amount, of Henry Fonda's character, Frank, in Sergio Leone's magnum opus, "Once Upon a Time in the West." 😎
The whole mineral rights thing in this season is a reflection of how things went down during the gold rush days in the American West and Australia in the 1800's. Individuals would find mineral strikes, and then corporations would steal the claims. The Pinkerton Detective Agency was well known to behave the way Murtry does throughout the era. This book was so much better than the show. The show is outstanding nonetheless.
Eh, Okoye is a better character in the show, and the Avasarala-Gao and Drummer-Ashford storylines are excellent additions. It's a tough one to compare, I think this season did an impressive job overall.
@@mella4376 The show significantly improves many of the characters, in some cases by combining two flat characters into a single better-rounded character. In other cases, such as Okoye and Nagata, the writers seem to have gotten better information to make a more realistic (and in some ways, less offensive) character.
This continues to happen now. It has not changed.......its actually much worse now since corporations have much more money/power than most governments and its stupidly easy to just pay off politicians. There are a number of countries where this exact thing is happening right now. Brazil is the easiest example.
Oh my goodness! You ladies are spoiling us with these releases! I love it! A lot happened in this episode, but the my favorite line was Marco when asked by Drummer what he had done with Filip. Marco responds " The best I could." Can't wait to see your next reaction!
Marco's speech in the airlock is really strong: the arguments about the belt *having* the resources but having them taken away, and the point about colonialists consistently breaking promises as soon as they can safely silence the oppressed are 100% spot on. Of course killing innocent civilians is where pretty boy loses me, but he has some genuinely strong points. And yeah Drummer was given an impossible choice, and she knows it.
His argument is very similar to that of Native American "terrorists" by the late 1800s, after they had been pushed west farther and farther, from reservation to reservation, treaties broken by the US government time and again, wives and children murdered by the US Army....
@@jrich749 that's not quite it but it is admittedly a mess to untangle. Oppressive systems that exploit people abroad don't benefit all the citizens of the country perpetrating the oppression in the same way. You can belong to a successful empire and still live a life of abject poverty and lack of opportunity. You can be born into said empire and all you're trying to do is leave (say for a different solar system even). You can be actively fighting it, and so on. Of course you can still benefit from exploitation of others in ways that aren't immediately visible, and fail to do enough to stop being complicit to an extent, but my point is that, while the circumstances are different from the colonized abroad, you nonetheless can be a victim of horrific exploitation even if your rich country is exploiting others itself. Again, it's hard to compare, but you *can* be an innocent civilian even if you are born in the evil empire, though that only applies to some.
Don't worry too much about people who seem to align with Murtry, the internet is always weird like that. The important thing is that you're picking up a lot more details about this conflict (48:50 🙂) that has always been there but we could never observe it to this extent, with several kinds of people acting/reacting to it.
Yep, smart people that know history are just awful. Murtry and Marco are both correct.........and they are on opposite sides of our heroes. The 4th book was the first time our 'heroes' are on the wrong side......but many never see it that way....education sucks. 😉
The Belters on Ilus blew up the landing pad to delay RCE from landing, hopefully giving them enough time to get a shipment of lithium back to Sol, which they could then sell and use the money to help defend their claim on the planet, but RCE showed up early, and debris from the landing pad explosion destroyed their landing shuttle.
The hate on Murtry is just ridiculous. That man just lost 23 of his people to a terrorist attack, and yet you (and other reactors) happily side with the perpetrators of the attack. He is a trigger happy killer like Amos correctly gauged him, but he is also responsible for the safety of his team, which was still under immediate threat to their lives. In the book, Belters actually murdered whole bunch of RCE survivors in similar manner to what Murtry did in last episode (that also happened in the books, AFTER the Belter attack). It's a shame that the other Belter attack did not make it to the show, because now the point of both sides being horrible people is kinda lost. And lets not forget that Amos is a carbon copy of Murtry, a trigger happy killer. If the Belters bombed Rocinante, everyone would be cheering while he brutally murders the attackers. And even Holden killed innocents, and for far weaker reason.
If the Belters’ original plan had gone off as planned, no one would have been injured. The ship in orbit would have detected that the landing pad was down, so no shuttle would have been sent down. Of course I have to point out that the FIRST shuttle to come down had No Pad To Land On! Also, if the Belters had never gotten there first and BUILT a pad before the UN ship showed up, there wouldn’t have been a pad…
Yes. The shuttle could have landed anywhere on Illus, but they determined to land on the Belter's pad to display their ability to take anything Belters possessed.
@@kirkdarling4120 No, they were there to negotiate with the belters. That was the plan.....until the belters killed their captain and 22 of their crew.....mostly scientists.
@@jrich749 Did you not listen to Mutry's comments to the Edward Israel commander? His mission was to get the Belters off Illus, take their lithium, and pay them no more than a pittance of its worth if anything. He was not there to negotiate, he had a specific mission.
I’m not staying for the full discussion at the end on this one, but I’m behind in your reaction and trying to catch up. I love listening to your thoughts!
Technically, Royal Charter Energy corporation was given a U.N. Charter to explore the planet and allowed to travel to New Terra under the terms of the new understanding among Earth, Mars and the Belt. In terms of purely legal authority, the corporation has a stronger legal claim than the Belters from the Barbapiccola. They are essentially "squatters" on the land. Laws sometimes recognize squatters' rights, but usually only after many years of open occupation. Even in the American West, which strongly influenced this story, merely "homesteading" (i.e. squatting and building homes) on unoccupied land never gave one legal rights to the land involved. Legal rights for homesteaders existed only because the American legislature in Washington, thousands of miles away, passed the Homestead Act of 1862, and that law is what allowed for homesteaders to have any rights at all. The law has never had a general rule that the first person to settle lands owns that land (outside of the imagination of John Locke) unless some express law exists to the contrary...and in this case the express law gives it to the corporation.
The RCE charter is blatantly illegal in the first place. The treaty between the UN, Mars, and the OPA is supposed to be a three-way treaty, but the UN and Mars granted a charter for an entire planet to an Inner corporation without the agreement of the OPA...while at the same time denying any similar rights to the OPA. That's like two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
@@kirkdarling4120 That is potentially a valid argument, but, legally speaking the colonists (whom the Belter government didn't want there either) don't have "legal standing" to make that claim. The Belter government is the proper party to raise it, and it doesnt seem like they ever did in the show, at least.
"A reaction drive's efficiency as a weapon is in direct proportion to its efficiency as a drive." They couldn't park too close to the settlement or their drive plume would have killed people.
People may not like it, but Murtry is completely justified in his actions against the Belters. It has been proven, 100%, that the Belters blew up the landing pad, murdering 23 innocent people, for no reason. The End. They have the evidence and the Belters protect the murderers and keep inciting violence at every turn. Murtry started off offering them the chance to hand over the murderers and was threatened to be killed for it. If he wanted to, he could wipe out every Belter there and no one else would know or care except our crew. Those few that were plotting MORE murders got gunned down, rightfully so. The Belters keep escalating the violence, they keep plotting mass murder and keep crying that THEY are the victims. Murtry has all the major firepower and manpower and ships in orbit that could wipe out that entire settlement with a single word, if he wanted to. Does ANYONE think the Belters would hesitate even a moment to do that if they had the ability? No way, they would have instantly killed any UN or Mars settlement they found if they wanted that land and they have proven that over and over throughout the series. Only Kamina has shown any morals of any kind among the Belters and even she was willing to murder that drug supplier before Ash stopped her. Humans moving into space travel triggered the most heinous regression of humankind ever imagined. Life now means less than nothing to anyone. Murder is a common thing because no one can be caught or brought to justice, it is how all problems are solved, now.
Marco inaros, Eren Jaeger I like this characters, this characters born because a nation, foreign people try to opresse his people. They are the result of the world situation. They represent that, very realistic.
It's also stablished that Inners don't care so much for Belters, and Belters mostly hate the Inners. And these mechanisms revolve along the series. Only the mixed Roci crew cares.
100%. I'm dying to see some reactors pick it up. It's awesome sci-fi similar to The Expanse in many ways and Naren Shankar also co-runs it, and it stars Joel Kinnaman - what more could you want?
Maybe the rightful action depends on where you define the lawful side. Maybe the Belters had the right to defend their own new found planet and shoot down any invasion ship, even from earth-
Just remember, a lot of the things you have angst about are still in development. Aside from that, I'd say, forming a civilization is clunky and uneven (in space or on surface of planets) for Human Beings. IMO, the reason is that we have not evolved very much psychologically. We certainly have physically but our behaviors are still in the lower levels of thought and existence. 🤷♂
If you like our boy Joel Kinnaman you should check out For All Mankind. While my love for it doesn't burn as bright as the one I hold in my heart for the Expanse, it's still a really good show!
Damn right! It's the second best space adventure show for me after The Expanse. I really hope they will check it out later. Can't wait for season 3 though.
For me is a so so, sometimes it has some scenes that are amazing, but also sometimes the drama overtake the show and is meh. And my second favorite is Firefly hahah
Hi ladies, I suggest you react to _For All Mankind_ . Solid script, one of the best shows of the year in my opinion. Space stuff, some politics, and a lot of very well written female characters.
To play devil's advocate: Murtry shot a man who threatened him. If he walked away then, he would show weakness which would invite future aggression. The group they gunned down later was actively planning to assault them. Murtry chose to act preemptively, thus reducing the threat to his people. He overheard that Lucia was also part of their group, it made sense that he wanted to bring her into custody before she acted in sabotage against him. And Murtry did his best to not act against Naomi.
Murtry makes sense if you stop thinking like a pacifist that's never held a gun and is watching things from a sofa. Actually, the Belter's preemtive strike makes sense too. But Murtry is a soldier that's *just* been critically traumatized and belters kept trying to gaslight him into thinking that they had nothing to do with the death of 23 of their friends and that nevertheless they deserved it cause of the sins of the other inners. All around, his stance is not the best but it beats the hell out of whatever the Belters thought they were proposing "Just go away inner. Forget all about this"
For Bobbie.. put yourself in her shoes. Mars is dying cause everyone is going to the Rings. Unemployment is rampant, she is being persecuted by the state because of her involvement with "earthers" .. no opportunity, disappointment and need... it's really not a big step to take. Really mirrors the state of a lot of people today really...
@@SonicBoyster Ruining? It's literally fans who are eager to see more content from the ladies. AND their comments help with the UA-cam algorithm so this channel gets more visibility. You'd actually be hurting them if you could force people to not make suggestions. Don't worry so much about who posts where and encourage the support for the channel instead, in whatever form it comes. I don't care if someone fucking compliments their wall paint color choice. I'm all for it!
You should try to watch "For All Mankind" on Apple TV when you next have a slot in your schedule, it's got Joel Kinnaman in it too, and is a superb series. More drama led, but the alternate past-timeline is great and the production values are sky high. Also Foundation has Jared Harris (Anderson Dawes in Expanse), which again, different from the Expanse but also superb production values and I really enjoyed the 1st season. Both highly recommended viewing when you're able: For All Mankind Trailer: ua-cam.com/video/HZS9M52Bd_w/v-deo.html Foundation Trailer: ua-cam.com/video/X4QYV5GTz7c/v-deo.html
I mean, I get that it's natural to side with the characters we like during a scene, but we can also look back and analyse what happened afterwards. Everyone is condemning Murtry for shooting the first belter saying he isn't judge, jury and executioner, but the same people cheered at Amos "I am that guy" scene. Its massive double standards There will also be a scene in the last episodes of the season where people will side with Roci crew because 'awww' but its also a double standard
oh come on it's not even close. The Doctor experimented on kids, turned them into the things that attacked the Roci and then wiped every proof of it claiming he was undercover or some shit. While the Belter was executed for making a threat that he had every right to make after Murphious walked into a bar and threatened every Belter on Ilus. So he can make threats but i can't, now that's double standards.
@@BhBc8f8 difference is, the terrorist already killed a bunch of people. But again, about the doctor, Amos can be judge, jury and executioner, because he's one of the main guys, but other cant.
@@isais207 "difference is, the terrorist already killed a bunch of people" Murman didn't know that, he had no proof of anything, he had no witnesses, he had no confession, he just killed that Belter just because he could since the inners view Belter lives as less than. He's a nutjob plain and simple. And again repeating your invalid point doesn't make it more valid. They were in the middle of a war, IO fired protocrap to wipe out Mars and the Roci crew went in to neutralize the threats. The 2 situations are completely different. Not sure how many times you want me to explain that.
@@BhBc8f8 telling someone they're wrong doesn't make you right, either. I understand that you side with the main cast because you like them, but don't try to justify them while condemning others
Stopped liking Naomi from this episode and the previous. When Murty killed, she was pissed causer earther killed belters but when belters kills unarmed earthers, she too quick to defend and hide them.
I was irritated that she refused to take the gravity drugs to visit Holden's family but jumped at the opportunity to do so to visit a belter colony and "all the other worlds" (in the book she doesn't partake of the gravity drugs at all and stays on the Roci the entire time).
The actors that play Naomi, Drummer, and Marco were actually friends IRL prior to the show. The three of them were out at a bar the night the show was canceled after season 3. When Amazon started it back up with season 4, he auditioned and landed the marco role.
Aren't they all from different countries?
@@frannydai Cara Gee and Keon Alexander are both Canadian, Dominique Tipper is British
@@frannydai They're actors, all three of them are in or around LA multiple times a year with all the other actors. International friendships galore.
That’s amazing. They’re all SO GOOD
its funy that in his and Wes Chatham's podcast, writer and producer Tye Franck creditted their casting to the fact that Cara Gee is apparently friends with everyone.
Lol at the synchronized head tilt at 15:18, flawless execution
Yo, they both got real quiet when Marco Inaros started talking in the hold. Very telling to how good his acting is. He freaking draws you in.
Umm not as stunned as they were at a shirtless handcuffed Amos ☝️
@@hellfish2309 Man is also an absolute stunner, ya got me there! 😜
@@lelandvaughan4429 all of the features, so many of the red flags; your shabby chic problematic himbo, ladies!
"Under whose authority?!"
this book/season is styled/inspired by the wild west of the U.S., when a lot of authority was basically whoever had the guns and a badge. The rest of civilization is SO FAR away from Ilus that there's no outside recourse or anyone to appeal to that can realistically do anything before this is all over. The show doesn't do a great job of expressing just how far and how long the Roci crew had to travel just to get to Ilus (i believe it's something like 72 days just from Medina Station which is in the ring space, so tack on the time it takes to get from Earth to there). Murtry has firepower and a team willing to follow his orders, so he has the authority to do whatever he wants. He's banking on the idea that if he is able to squash the settlers and establish his company's rights to the planet, that they'll make any potential charges go away and pay him handsomely for it. That is until he runs into Holden who also has firepower and isn't going to look the other way just because Murtry waves a charter in his face.
Also, he actually is the one with the badge there. He's the chief of security for the UN mission and after the attack on the landing party, he's probably the highest authority in the UN mission who's still alive.
@@Ryuu44 Murtry is not the chief of security of a UN mission, he's the chief of security of a private Earth corporation...about like Captain Shaddid on Ceres. Notice, btw, that Murtry has cut off communication back to RCE...because he doesn't want their supervision of his activities.
OTOH, Holden is on a mission directly from the Queen of Earth. Holden has the greater authority on Illus.
4-6 months travel time, depending on system size, to the rings from goldilocks zones where biological planets reside.
@@Ryuu44 Murtry is the chief of security for the *private company* that has the charter.
He holds no law enforcement authority from the UN and, if wants to claim the charter has any meaning, then he should obey all UN laws.
The closest thing to real law enforcement authority resides with the crew of the Rocinante, who were sent to Illus/New Terra by the Secretary-General of the UN -- the governmental organization that granted the charter to Murtry's employers.
Murtry is exactly as Amos correctly identified him -- a killer who takes pleasure in murder, and uses any pretext he possibly can to let him get away with what he does.
Murtry actually reminds me, a fair amount, of Henry Fonda's character, Frank, in Sergio Leone's magnum opus, "Once Upon a Time in the West." 😎
Avasarala requesting a Holden update was just perfect delivery, chef's kiss
Drummer and Ashford's little theater routine gets me every time
"class A manipulator"
You have no idea yet but you nailed Marcos character
Those are the only ones that move societies forwards/backwards. Everyone else just maintains the status quo.
Calling it now, season 5 is going to be Lola's favourite season. You all know why ❄️❄️🥵❄️❄️
Yep, we do...😅
well it is the best season
The whole mineral rights thing in this season is a reflection of how things went down during the gold rush days in the American West and Australia in the 1800's. Individuals would find mineral strikes, and then corporations would steal the claims. The Pinkerton Detective Agency was well known to behave the way Murtry does throughout the era.
This book was so much better than the show. The show is outstanding nonetheless.
Awesome comparisons & info 👏
Eh, Okoye is a better character in the show, and the Avasarala-Gao and Drummer-Ashford storylines are excellent additions. It's a tough one to compare, I think this season did an impressive job overall.
@@mella4376 The show significantly improves many of the characters, in some cases by combining two flat characters into a single better-rounded character. In other cases, such as Okoye and Nagata, the writers seem to have gotten better information to make a more realistic (and in some ways, less offensive) character.
@@kirkdarling4120 it is cool to see writers capitalize on an adaptation to go back and question some of their biases and do better this time
This continues to happen now. It has not changed.......its actually much worse now since corporations have much more money/power than most governments and its stupidly easy to just pay off politicians. There are a number of countries where this exact thing is happening right now. Brazil is the easiest example.
"By whose fucking authority?!"
my brain immediately: "by the order of the Peaky fucking Blinders!" lol
Oh my goodness! You ladies are spoiling us with these releases! I love it!
A lot happened in this episode, but the my favorite line was Marco when asked by Drummer what he had done with Filip. Marco responds " The best I could."
Can't wait to see your next reaction!
Marco's speech in the airlock is really strong: the arguments about the belt *having* the resources but having them taken away, and the point about colonialists consistently breaking promises as soon as they can safely silence the oppressed are 100% spot on. Of course killing innocent civilians is where pretty boy loses me, but he has some genuinely strong points. And yeah Drummer was given an impossible choice, and she knows it.
Is a strong argument because he wasnt wrong, everything he said is true
His argument is very similar to that of Native American "terrorists" by the late 1800s, after they had been pushed west farther and farther, from reservation to reservation, treaties broken by the US government time and again, wives and children murdered by the US Army....
Those that continue to support oppression are never innocent. Freedom fighter or terrorist, it only depends which side you were born into.
@@jrich749 that's not quite it but it is admittedly a mess to untangle. Oppressive systems that exploit people abroad don't benefit all the citizens of the country perpetrating the oppression in the same way. You can belong to a successful empire and still live a life of abject poverty and lack of opportunity. You can be born into said empire and all you're trying to do is leave (say for a different solar system even). You can be actively fighting it, and so on. Of course you can still benefit from exploitation of others in ways that aren't immediately visible, and fail to do enough to stop being complicit to an extent, but my point is that, while the circumstances are different from the colonized abroad, you nonetheless can be a victim of horrific exploitation even if your rich country is exploiting others itself. Again, it's hard to compare, but you *can* be an innocent civilian even if you are born in the evil empire, though that only applies to some.
@@martinacosta3821 oh I agree, that's why this one speech hits so hard
Awesome to see your Expanse reactions back in full swing! Such a joy to watch
LOL I don't think there are any Murtry defenders out there. He's this season's Mao.
Any idea when the new episode of "Better Call Saul" that dropped on Monday will be up on the channel, Lola and Milena ?
*6x08
Thank you for posting as often as you do!
Don't worry too much about people who seem to align with Murtry, the internet is always weird like that. The important thing is that you're picking up a lot more details about this conflict (48:50 🙂) that has always been there but we could never observe it to this extent, with several kinds of people acting/reacting to it.
Yep, smart people that know history are just awful. Murtry and Marco are both correct.........and they are on opposite sides of our heroes. The 4th book was the first time our 'heroes' are on the wrong side......but many never see it that way....education sucks. 😉
murtry is no doubt a hero to right wing autharitarian types who only see the world in terms of winning and losing and who is stronger.
15:16 -- this should have been the thumbnail for this episode 😄
I really love how the intro shows an increasing gradual decline of Mars.
I now use the verb " float" instead of "space" when talking about throwing someone out of an airlock on the Expanse.
Waiting BCS S6 Ep8 reaction :)
Two The Expanse reactions in two days?!
Amos is too sexy in this season, they had to hahaha
We had a few missed uploads over the course of the last month, guess we're getting compensation now, I won't complain :D
maybe Lola speeding through to Season 5 😍🥰
Thank you for the unexpected Expanse!
The Belters on Ilus blew up the landing pad to delay RCE from landing, hopefully giving them enough time to get a shipment of lithium back to Sol, which they could then sell and use the money to help defend their claim on the planet, but RCE showed up early, and debris from the landing pad explosion destroyed their landing shuttle.
Next episode will clarify what happened, I think.
The hate on Murtry is just ridiculous. That man just lost 23 of his people to a terrorist attack, and yet you (and other reactors) happily side with the perpetrators of the attack. He is a trigger happy killer like Amos correctly gauged him, but he is also responsible for the safety of his team, which was still under immediate threat to their lives. In the book, Belters actually murdered whole bunch of RCE survivors in similar manner to what Murtry did in last episode (that also happened in the books, AFTER the Belter attack). It's a shame that the other Belter attack did not make it to the show, because now the point of both sides being horrible people is kinda lost.
And lets not forget that Amos is a carbon copy of Murtry, a trigger happy killer. If the Belters bombed Rocinante, everyone would be cheering while he brutally murders the attackers. And even Holden killed innocents, and for far weaker reason.
RE 37:00 Another way of looking at it is saying Murtry has found a job that suits his shitty nature.
And yeah, it's pronounced "Mer-tree"
If the Belters’ original plan had gone off as planned, no one would have been injured. The ship in orbit would have detected that the landing pad was down, so no shuttle would have been sent down.
Of course I have to point out that the FIRST shuttle to come down had No Pad To Land On! Also, if the Belters had never gotten there first and BUILT a pad before the UN ship showed up, there wouldn’t have been a pad…
Yes. The shuttle could have landed anywhere on Illus, but they determined to land on the Belter's pad to display their ability to take anything Belters possessed.
@@kirkdarling4120 No, they were there to negotiate with the belters. That was the plan.....until the belters killed their captain and 22 of their crew.....mostly scientists.
@@jrich749 Did you not listen to Mutry's comments to the Edward Israel commander? His mission was to get the Belters off Illus, take their lithium, and pay them no more than a pittance of its worth if anything. He was not there to negotiate, he had a specific mission.
I’m not staying for the full discussion at the end on this one, but I’m behind in your reaction and trying to catch up. I love listening to your thoughts!
47:26 lmao same. This is a new planet, the first new and habitable planet in 5000+ years and this how we handle it. Humanity is just the greatest.
Technically, Royal Charter Energy corporation was given a U.N. Charter to explore the planet and allowed to travel to New Terra under the terms of the new understanding among Earth, Mars and the Belt. In terms of purely legal authority, the corporation has a stronger legal claim than the Belters from the Barbapiccola. They are essentially "squatters" on the land. Laws sometimes recognize squatters' rights, but usually only after many years of open occupation. Even in the American West, which strongly influenced this story, merely "homesteading" (i.e. squatting and building homes) on unoccupied land never gave one legal rights to the land involved. Legal rights for homesteaders existed only because the American legislature in Washington, thousands of miles away, passed the Homestead Act of 1862, and that law is what allowed for homesteaders to have any rights at all. The law has never had a general rule that the first person to settle lands owns that land (outside of the imagination of John Locke) unless some express law exists to the contrary...and in this case the express law gives it to the corporation.
The RCE charter is blatantly illegal in the first place. The treaty between the UN, Mars, and the OPA is supposed to be a three-way treaty, but the UN and Mars granted a charter for an entire planet to an Inner corporation without the agreement of the OPA...while at the same time denying any similar rights to the OPA. That's like two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.
@@kirkdarling4120 That is potentially a valid argument, but, legally speaking the colonists (whom the Belter government didn't want there either) don't have "legal standing" to make that claim. The Belter government is the proper party to raise it, and it doesnt seem like they ever did in the show, at least.
"A reaction drive's efficiency as a weapon is in direct proportion to its efficiency as a drive." They couldn't park too close to the settlement or their drive plume would have killed people.
Man somebody get Milena a Nike sponsorship. lol
Where’s BCS
The scene of Holden and Mutry’s encounter at the end of this ep is one of my favourite in the whole show. So dramatic and well shot/acted
It really goes with the far west theme of this season
People may not like it, but Murtry is completely justified in his actions against the Belters. It has been proven, 100%, that the Belters blew up the landing pad, murdering 23 innocent people, for no reason. The End. They have the evidence and the Belters protect the murderers and keep inciting violence at every turn. Murtry started off offering them the chance to hand over the murderers and was threatened to be killed for it. If he wanted to, he could wipe out every Belter there and no one else would know or care except our crew. Those few that were plotting MORE murders got gunned down, rightfully so. The Belters keep escalating the violence, they keep plotting mass murder and keep crying that THEY are the victims. Murtry has all the major firepower and manpower and ships in orbit that could wipe out that entire settlement with a single word, if he wanted to. Does ANYONE think the Belters would hesitate even a moment to do that if they had the ability? No way, they would have instantly killed any UN or Mars settlement they found if they wanted that land and they have proven that over and over throughout the series. Only Kamina has shown any morals of any kind among the Belters and even she was willing to murder that drug supplier before Ash stopped her. Humans moving into space travel triggered the most heinous regression of humankind ever imagined. Life now means less than nothing to anyone. Murder is a common thing because no one can be caught or brought to justice, it is how all problems are solved, now.
Marco inaros, Eren Jaeger I like this characters, this characters born because a nation, foreign people try to opresse his people. They are the result of the world situation. They represent that, very realistic.
Just wondering. You guys aren't into superhero shows (the MCU one) except The Boys?
15:15... Inyaloda's....
15:17 lol at both your heads!
Murtry like Mur from Murder, and Tree from tree, you're welcome :)
It's also stablished that Inners don't care so much for Belters, and Belters mostly hate the Inners. And these mechanisms revolve along the series. Only the mixed Roci crew cares.
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he eyey , when Better Call Saul reaction? , cant wait you know.
BTW nice reaction
"Murtry" pronounced "Mur" like murder and "try" pronounced like tree 🌳 Murtry, "Mur-tree"
Amos has been mispronouncing Murtrys name on purpose, to mock him. NO SPOILERS, Amos will do similar things in the future for similar reasons.
@@rodentnolastname6612 not sure if it is Amos or Wes Chatham himself, he's terrible remembering names. They might have just run with that.
I recommend you to watch For All Mankind.
100%. I'm dying to see some reactors pick it up. It's awesome sci-fi similar to The Expanse in many ways and Naren Shankar also co-runs it, and it stars Joel Kinnaman - what more could you want?
Sadly I don't disagree with Marco's words, even if I disagree with how he carries out what he does.
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Maybe the rightful action depends on where you define the lawful side. Maybe the Belters had the right to defend their own new found planet and shoot down any invasion ship, even from earth-
This caveman claims he owns the Sun in the sky and orders this caveman to only live in the shade. "Laws" and "rights" are myths.
12:52 Fraaankieeee!
Guys calm down they do not only watch bcs. Yes I'm waiting too
Just remember, a lot of the things you have angst about are still in development. Aside from that, I'd say, forming a civilization is clunky and uneven (in space or on surface of planets) for Human Beings. IMO, the reason is that we have not evolved very much psychologically. We certainly have physically but our behaviors are still in the lower levels of thought and existence. 🤷♂
Murtry has the perfect line that he says to Holden about it in S04E10.
If you like our boy Joel Kinnaman you should check out For All Mankind. While my love for it doesn't burn as bright as the one I hold in my heart for the Expanse, it's still a really good show!
Damn right! It's the second best space adventure show for me after The Expanse. I really hope they will check it out later. Can't wait for season 3 though.
For me is a so so, sometimes it has some scenes that are amazing, but also sometimes the drama overtake the show and is meh. And my second favorite is Firefly hahah
@@martinacosta3821 true. I disliked the sexual relationship drama between Karen and Danny (Gordo's son).. Kinda unnecessary.
@@hazri8758 yep, thats my biggest complain of the show.
Hi ladies, I suggest you react to _For All Mankind_ . Solid script, one of the best shows of the year in my opinion. Space stuff, some politics, and a lot of very well written female characters.
To play devil's advocate: Murtry shot a man who threatened him. If he walked away then, he would show weakness which would invite future aggression. The group they gunned down later was actively planning to assault them. Murtry chose to act preemptively, thus reducing the threat to his people. He overheard that Lucia was also part of their group, it made sense that he wanted to bring her into custody before she acted in sabotage against him. And Murtry did his best to not act against Naomi.
Murtry makes sense if you stop thinking like a pacifist that's never held a gun and is watching things from a sofa. Actually, the Belter's preemtive strike makes sense too.
But Murtry is a soldier that's *just* been critically traumatized and belters kept trying to gaslight him into thinking that they had nothing to do with the death of 23 of their friends and that nevertheless they deserved it cause of the sins of the other inners.
All around, his stance is not the best but it beats the hell out of whatever the Belters thought they were proposing
"Just go away inner. Forget all about this"
For Bobbie.. put yourself in her shoes. Mars is dying cause everyone is going to the Rings. Unemployment is rampant, she is being persecuted by the state because of her involvement with "earthers" .. no opportunity, disappointment and need... it's really not a big step to take. Really mirrors the state of a lot of people today really...
Better call Saul plssssss
Just Subscribed. Love your reactions. I want to marry Bobbie Draper. Greetings from New Orleans Louisiana U.S.A.
BCS!!!!!!!
Joel Kinneman is in For all mankind as well. A rather good Space show on Apple tv.
Better Call Saul - 6x08
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better call saul pls
Can't wait for their reaction!
Literally been pacing back and forth all day waiting for their reaction lol
Do you guys think you're winning some kinda internet points by ruining the comments section of a different show?
@@SonicBoyster Ruining? It's literally fans who are eager to see more content from the ladies. AND their comments help with the UA-cam algorithm so this channel gets more visibility. You'd actually be hurting them if you could force people to not make suggestions. Don't worry so much about who posts where and encourage the support for the channel instead, in whatever form it comes. I don't care if someone fucking compliments their wall paint color choice. I'm all for it!
#TeamAmos4Life
You should try to watch "For All Mankind" on Apple TV when you next have a slot in your schedule, it's got Joel Kinnaman in it too, and is a superb series. More drama led, but the alternate past-timeline is great and the production values are sky high. Also Foundation has Jared Harris (Anderson Dawes in Expanse), which again, different from the Expanse but also superb production values and I really enjoyed the 1st season. Both highly recommended viewing when you're able:
For All Mankind Trailer:
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Foundation Trailer:
ua-cam.com/video/X4QYV5GTz7c/v-deo.html
Better call Saul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Video! More Reactions to The Boys Season 3 please!!!
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I mean, I get that it's natural to side with the characters we like during a scene, but we can also look back and analyse what happened afterwards.
Everyone is condemning Murtry for shooting the first belter saying he isn't judge, jury and executioner, but the same people cheered at Amos "I am that guy" scene. Its massive double standards
There will also be a scene in the last episodes of the season where people will side with Roci crew because 'awww' but its also a double standard
oh come on it's not even close. The Doctor experimented on kids, turned them into the things that attacked the Roci and then wiped every proof of it claiming he was undercover or some shit. While the Belter was executed for making a threat that he had every right to make after Murphious walked into a bar and threatened every Belter on Ilus. So he can make threats but i can't, now that's double standards.
@@BhBc8f8 difference is, the terrorist already killed a bunch of people.
But again, about the doctor, Amos can be judge, jury and executioner, because he's one of the main guys, but other cant.
@@isais207 "difference is, the terrorist already killed a bunch of people"
Murman didn't know that, he had no proof of anything, he had no witnesses, he had no confession, he just killed that Belter just because he could since the inners view Belter lives as less than. He's a nutjob plain and simple. And again repeating your invalid point doesn't make it more valid. They were in the middle of a war, IO fired protocrap to wipe out Mars and the Roci crew went in to neutralize the threats. The 2 situations are completely different. Not sure how many times you want me to explain that.
@@BhBc8f8 telling someone they're wrong doesn't make you right, either. I understand that you side with the main cast because you like them, but don't try to justify them while condemning others
Stopped liking Naomi from this episode and the previous. When Murty killed, she was pissed causer earther killed belters but when belters kills unarmed earthers, she too quick to defend and hide them.
I was irritated that she refused to take the gravity drugs to visit Holden's family but jumped at the opportunity to do so to visit a belter colony and "all the other worlds" (in the book she doesn't partake of the gravity drugs at all and stays on the Roci the entire time).
wow two episodes of other show and no Better Call Saul. we can't put up with this, this Chicanery..!