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Thanks for the review. I was joking with my son yesterday in the shop about cheap Black and Decker tools. I have a few in the shop with cords and they are over 30 years old. He commented that i certainly got my moneys worth out of them. I agreed, I have.
Black and Decker in the 80s were pretty hardcore. Everyone ordered them from Sears and they were pretty cheap and certainly not the best performing tools, but I'll be damned if they didn't last forever. Newer BnD stuff is hit or miss. Almost all of their tools nowadays are made for the most basic consumer doing the least commanding jobs around the house.
Great review and advice. I'm a beginner and the B&D sander is the one I picked almost 2 years ago. It does suit me at the level of work and expertise I have. Thanks
I have this sander. It’s not going to last in a commercial wood shop for sure, but for around the home projects it’s perfect. When I first used it, it left a lot of pigtails on my workpiece, but that was a technique issue, not the sander. Now that I’m looking to start a woodworking business, I will be looking for a new sander, but this one has worked just fine for the two years I’ve had it.
I think this is a sander that non professionals (or homeowners, housewifes etc ..) buy because they will use it a couple times on a project and they recognize the name from their coffee pot or kitchen appliance since it is the same brand. It is a great little sander and probably has some of the same DeWalt DNA. If it works, it works.
Exactly it for me. I just bought this sander and at this point Im just using it before I repaint all my doors. I see black and decker as a discount brand that you can at least trust not to be complete crap like all the no name brands on Amazon. If I thought I would be using it all the time I would go with something like a Milwaukee, but I just dont see the point in dropping $100 for something I realistically will use only a couple times a year at most.
I myself bought that one as it was on the list of tools on Steve Ramsey's guide for tooling a woodshop for $1000. I dont use it a lot, but for the price have been happy
Lol! I actually purchased this exact sander to sand the planks on a deck I built on the back of my house. I know it sounds silly, but I got it because it was cheap, and I didn't want to destroy my Festool sander. In all honesty, it worked like a champ. I didn't care about dust because it was all outside. I also didn't notice any hard fatigue, but I was wearing a work glove, so.....could it be used for fine sanding on something you want a perfect finish on......maybe....but it's a big maybe. 😊
I've used this sander for a while and it does work well and hasn't had any issues. The bag does collect a surprising amount of dust if you're not using a shop vac too.
I think it is a combination of price along with name brand. You can get some cheap sander you have never heard of or spend a few dollars more for a Black & Decker (a name many are familiar with). When most people think of Wen, they think bargain brand, so going with a name they trust at a really low price is just the right combination.
Yeah definitely. If you have 5 sanders around $28-$35 its minimal difference so you go for the well known brand. except those who just want the cheapest they can find. And true, Wen are building a good reputation but a lot of people will just see them as a chinese brand that may not be good quality
I have been using this for past 6 years and still have it. I was an occasional woodworker and this was perfect for that. Recently I started working on bigger pieces and this was not cutting it so took a plunge a bought bosch get65-5n and its a night and day difference, but I still feel this has a place in my workshop and thus keeping it!
Based on experience, I'd recommend a plugin/corded DA sander as opposed to the typical battery powered unless you're already on a particular battery platformer looking to be. Corded allows a much longer runtime so can take your time and be careful with your project. Also, I a quick sanding tip, I like to sand all of the pieces of a project before assembly. Makes it way easier, almost always.
I already had the DeWalt random orbital sander when I saw this video. I enjoy restoring cast iron woodworking machine tabletops, but wanted to keep my DeWalt for sanding wood only. Bought the Black & Decker model BDERO600 for around $40 for dedicated restoration purposes. Although it is powerful enough, the fatigue from vibrations is real. In my honest opinion the B&D sander is good for a few minutes of usage. After that you’ll feel that unpleasant feeling of a “shaky” hand as you described in the video. If I have to buy it again, I’ll just skip the B&D and get the DeWalt.
Love the visual effects. I truly thought for a second that you printed out pictures of your website and the sanders like those giant checks they give out at golf tournaments 😂
I have this one as well. In May it will be 2 years. Seems to work just fine for my evening and weekend use. I will use it 'til it goes kaput and switch to a dewalt or better. I have a 2 inch hose I keep zip tied to the power cord for hookup to the dust collectors ivac switch. This was a company gift - like I got to pick from a few items and this was one of them. Still happy I chose it.
But how well does it holds up over time? If you use it 30 minutes a week for 6 months or a year, how good does it run? Do the Velcro pads stay on? Heat? Power? Vibrations? I'm pretty sure any sander you buy on Amazon will be ok for a 20 minute run with a good sanding disc on.
I own the wen sander and I use the Diablo net sanding disc's almost 0 dust when I use my cheap $20 2 gallon shop vac and the sander is so smooth you really should try it.
Agreed with you and the other commenters, it's not pricey, gets good reviews and it's got a name the has a certain pedigree from the 'old days'. Good review, and yeah, good choice for homeowners and those starting out woodworking.
Great video and a great pick. This little sander is actually a jewel. I have both the Dewalt and the B&D and really don't have a preference if I need to grab a corded sander. I always use a vaccuum on any sander as well as the 3M paper. Save some money on the B&D and use it to buy the Dewalt, Makita or Festool cordless unit. BTW, if you need to spend more than 15 minutes sanding something and do that often, you really should be using a high quality air sander or kiss your hands goodbye.
I think it’s important to also acknowledge the corporate umbrella they fall under. Black & Decker is owned by Stanley. Stanley also owns Craftsman, Porter Cable, Irwin, Mac… and DeWalt 😎
@@AaronGeller Just the fallacy of die hard brand loyalty I guess. Lots of folks might say “Porter Cable sucks, I’ll never support that company. I only buy and support DeWalt”. Then I have to be the guy to sit him down and break the sad news that every dollar spent on DeWalt also helps support to Porter Cable, as they both play for the same team. Then I have to watch that guy die a little on the inside lol. (Nice cutting boards by the way! 👍👍)
I think that's wicked for a start up woodworking or hobby woodworking. I have a Makita orbital sander 110v and it's an absolute machine although one day would like to upgrade to mirka or 3m but can't justify the price right now. Great video Matt! 🏴👍
I have this sander and bought it for household DIY. You're right about the sort of goldilocks price point and otherwise Black and Decker used to be a valued tool brand. Why didn't you run it hooked up to same dust extractor as your Dewalt? No sander is going to collect most of the fine dust without extraction.
Thanks, Matt. Good video, I had a Black and Decker Quantum (those green tools they sold for a while) ROS that I used for years until it finally died. Much like the current one, it was a single speed that worked pretty well, that had a dust bag that only sort of worked and sprayed fine dust on everything. Got a Makita a few years ago that I can hook up to my shop vac and it is so much better. Looking forward to your comprehensive sander review.
I got a Bauer from Harbor Frieght. Works great and hasn't let me down yet. I think it was on sale, $27ish. The Black and Decker name doesn't carry the same weight out used to. Kinda like Craftsman.
I also bought the Bauer last year when there was a coupon to make it $20 - I figured, price was right to take a chance on my first HF purchase. I definitely have similar problems though with vibrations numbing my hand. That, and I wish the top grip was just a little smaller - I have decent sized hands, but I think it's maybe just a little too big, which adds to the hand issues.
I think the name sells it. You look about the same age as me, so I’m sure your experience is similar. I always saw my grandad and parents using black and decker, Skil and craftsman tools growing up that still work to this day. In fact I’m refurbishing my grandads old craftsman table saw now and it still runs good after sitting up for a couple of decades. So we associate those names with a tank of a tool they were in our childhood, even though the modern versions of those names have been relegated to diy/weekend warrior brands.
I hate to disagree with you so look up the reason that B&D bought several tools companies starting with in the 70's. It was because most people had unfavorable experiences with B&D tools. Same with their partner Stanley.
@@andrewpinson1268 I didn’t know about all that, I just know I came across my grandads old black and decker jigsaw a few months ago at my parents house and it still cuts pretty good lol. Mind you it don’t have modern amenities like a blower or orbital selector, but it still cut some pretty tight curves for me. That green color was ugly as sin though. 😂
@@Griffinwoodworks Yes both could be true. Any tool company can have gems and poor quality tools. I guess I spoke up because of my over fifty years of picking tools for woodworking. B&D and Stanley both had and have a history of buying tool companies and what I call Dumbing them down. That over the years has made me angry. Now that happens in every large company that buys others out. They buy quality - reduce cost drastically and sell at that still high price. I am sure you have seen this maybe in other companies. Sorry about my old man long winded comments.
@@andrewpinson1268 dude it’s cool. I’m always up for civil conversation with more experienced folks. I know they did that to both porter cable and craftsman most recently and it’s absolutely sickening considering both brands history. I’ve got my grandads saw and my wife’s grandads table saw, both different craftsman 113 models. They’d never let a saw that good get made today unless it was yellow and had a Dewalt logo on it. When they bought porter cable, I think they just changed branding and colors on the router that was the router to have back then.
Absolutely. My dad had a ton of Black & Decker and Craftsman tools. I have a set of the classic Craftsman screwdrivers just for the nostalgia. I think I still have my his B&D circular saw somewhere in my garage even though it stopped working several years ago.
I have the Black & Decker sander with the paddle on top. Otherwise it looks the same. I have found it to be a good sander. I also have the same Dewalt sander. I find that i like to use the Black & Decker for the 60 & 80 grit with standard sandpaper and the 100-150+ I use the Dewalt with the Xtract appear from 3M. I like the finishing with the Xtract and Dewalt more then the Black & Decker. Just my personal preference and opinion. Great comparison video!!
If only you could get something similar with a low profile. There are a few copies out now of the mirkas with a paddle switch. These don't have a speed adjustment dependant on how far you push the paddle down but that doesn't really matter. The best thing about the mirkas (for me) was that my wrist wasn't 6 inches above the piece I was sanding and all those vibrations were moving through a larger sander body towards it. Lower and wider would be awesome.
Howdy Mr. 731....a.k.a. Mr. Buttons (I'm gonna start getting everyone to call you Mr. Buttons. 😅). (Inside joke people 😊). I LOVED this video. Give your editor a fist bump (or bonus 😮) cause I loved it when you held up your hands and there was a pic of a sander. Excellent!!! Moving on; All that dust collected in the bag. Though I don't own a B & D sander, my Dewalt has a bag and on my initial FIRST rough sanding, I use the bag instead of the vacuum attachment for the specific purpose of being able to collect the dust from THAT board/boards. I then empty that bag into a zip lock sandwich bag and label it...Pine, Walnut, Cedar etc etc and I date it. I have found that "when needed", that particular dust from THAT board comes in handy when, for instance I want to fill in Brad nail holes, perhaps minor cracks. I'll add some glue (just a little bit) and then sprinkle some dust onto that glue, then sacrifice some 100 or 120 grit WHILE the glue is still wet and sand/rub that into the nail holes or small cracks/scratches. It's a perfect match every single time. As for vibration. Honestly Mr. Buttons (😊)....I have no idea what you and others are talking about. I have NEVER noticed any vibration numbness. Back when I actually worked in cabinet shops n such, we used sanders that hooked up to an air hose. No vibration numbness. I've used Dewalt sanders forever and a day plus 2 more days, never had numbness. I dunno Sir....Perhaps I'm just used to it? Never seems to bother me and certainly not a bother enough to where I'd dump $300+ on a sander just for that purpose. All in all though...I'd say it comes down to "method" of sanding. The variable speed TOTALLY makes a difference depending on which stange of sanding you are doing. Lower speed for rough sanding, higher speed AND a lighter pressure for finer sanding. Easy. As for any sandpaper that comes with a tool.....well, it's kinda like that plastic miter gauge that comes with a tool. It's crap. Goes straight in the garbage. I like Diablo sandpaper for my rough sanding, then I switch to cubitron for finer sanding. Rough sanding with cubitron disks just wastes money, clogs up way too much and I've used cheap cubitron and VERY expensive, same result. Anyways Sir Buttons 😅, Loved the video. Looking forward to the next one.
I can think of another reason why it is the best selling sander. When a non woodworker wants to buy a woodworker a sander as a gift, they go onto Amazon and they buy black and decker because they recognize the brand. That is how I got mine from my wife many years ago 😀The sander has been working fine and meets my diy needs. And you cannot beat the price. I laughed when I first saw the picture for the video because I recognized the sander.
I had the same sander. Bought it because of the price for a name brand. It worked well but the pad didn't last. It started binding after about 60 hours of total use, had to replace the pad. Ended up buying a Dewalt.
Black & Decker and DeWalt are both owned by Stanley tools, and there are a lot of common components between all tool brands. I worked for them for 5 years.
I think you overlooked one other element to the equation. Brand recognition. People who primarily use tools in a DIY fashion may still recognize Black & Decker for their past reputation as opposed to now where they're now been largely eclipsed.
Because it's cheap and many new woodworkers buy the cheapest to get going. Black and Decker has the title of the go to budget brand because it's in all the box and department stores. My very first tool purchase was a B & D jig saw, purchased used in 1993 from a college student for $10. I still have it and use it on occasion when I break a blade on my newer Craftsman Pro jig saw. Still works well after 30 years.
Ironically Black & Decker is hardly at any store. If you do manage to find a place that carries them the options are very small. They sell most of their products online.
My last job i worked as head of maintenance at a Best Western and the owner was CHEAP AS F. They would not spend money on tools I needed so I ended up with all Black and Decker shit, small circular saw(cordless), a drill(cordless) and that sander. I was actually impressed with quality for the price. Over the 5 years I worked there I beat the piss out of them and never gave up on me.
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I’ve been using this sander for probably 10+ years. Only issue I’ve had was the Velcro came loose in one spot and needed a glue touch up. The bag is useless so I just connect my shop vac.
Black and Decker generally has a good historical reputation. I have some that have lasted for a long time (does anyone remember the Black and Decker Mouse sander?). Among those that DIY, I imagine that reputation still carries forward. And heck ya, it is cheaper, and made by the same company the makes Dewalt. Hmm, they sure look alike.
I have a Bosch 5”, it’s pretty dang good. I just got a 2.5” hose to hook to it it’s great. Only complaint is the Dang 3m 710w sanding discs don’t stick well to it!!!! Makes me an angry badger.
I finally moved to a Ridgid orbital, variable speed, soft start...it's incredible, and no discomfort even after more than an hour of steady sanding. Not a B&D fan at all.
Mine just died (I think) a week ago while scuff sanding 6 doors. I got exactly 3 years out of it 😂 spooky. It started making a rubbing noise and then it let out this loud shriek and a pop. I just replaced the backer pad on it too. Only issues in the 3 years was the power button was starting to lose its tactile responsiveness.
I have carpal tunnel, after 35+ years in the automotive and Heavy Duty transport industries. All those repetitive motion, loosening bolts, tightening bolts, removing engines, disassembling, inspecting, rebuilding/reassembling engines, and transmissions, grinding, sanding, painting all have taken their toll, and I haven't even mentioned what all those years and all those long hours have done to my knees. All that to say, I want smoothest sander available.🤓😎😇😂
I have this sander. It was something that I got when I did not need a sander for much, basically for small home projects, things that some might use a block plane for. e.g. this door won't open in the rain. Small amount of sanding and a new coat of paint and the door opens again. This was before I got into woodworking and needed a better sander, which I have now. I would disagree with the point of it being in the middle priced, I think it has more to do with familiarity with B&D and the price compared to DeWalt. Where Powerstroke probably makes an okay sander for the same types of jobs, but the B&D is so close in price to it I would go for the one I am familiar with for a few dollars more. It is almost like when you buy a TV, do you go for the Visio or the off branded TV (it depends on your opinion of Sony). Yes one is slightly more expensive, but the other one is a named brand.
It's the cheapest recognizable brand sander. BTW, I've had one of these B&D sanders for over a year. I bought it as a cheap replacement for a Bosch sander that crapped out on me in the middle of a project. I didn't want to spend $80-100 at the time and planned on replacing it at a latter date with a "better" brand. After using it I never saw the need.
Featured items get more purchases because people think Amazon knows better, but the fact companies pay Amazon to feature products is not a true indicator it's better.
You cannot judge the dust collection if you keep on sanding after the collection bag is filled. There's no place else for the dust to go than onto the work and into the air. Maybe it's better than you think, or maybe not. Your method doesn't tell us how well it performs in this regard if we empty the bag before it fills.
Would you be willing to do a review on Harbor Freight Bauer orbital sander? This was a sander gifted to me for Father's day last year. I've been using it since then and been having great results.
I got the skil which has antifatigue was maybe a little more than Black and Decker and usually take and have Black and Decker but I really like the skil.
Just had my sander get too hot. The screws burned through the pad I stick the sanding paper to and it went flying off. Huge holes in there, pretty sure it's unrepairable.
Remember your happiness has value. If woodworking helps you destress and gives you a sense of accomplishment, you can justify spending some money on it.
I have this sander. Worked great until the plastic on the pad melted at the mounting points and came off. Costs almost as much for a new pad as it does the sander. I have a DeWalt now.
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I really like your new video clips of the other units you are talking about, really cool. I generally watch every video you produce, fantastic job and great information for me.
One reason it is a best selling product is the name. B&D (NOT bondage and discipline) has been a respected tool brand more than 100 years. An additional tidbit: B&D owns Dewalt.
Isn't black and decker and also Dewalt made by same company? I think I heard that somewhere before.. like Dewalt is made by black and decker.. not sure but..
I quit buying B&D about fifty years ago. And yes I know B&D /Stanley owns some good companies, but B&D is the walmart of tools. If it can be cheapened up they will do it. I am not a complete snob, but B&D is one I do not break on.
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I have had this sander for 6 years and love it. So far I've only had to replace the sanding pad and somehow it runs better with the new pad.
Thanks for the review. I was joking with my son yesterday in the shop about cheap Black and Decker tools. I have a few in the shop with cords and they are over 30 years old. He commented that i certainly got my moneys worth out of them. I agreed, I have.
Black and Decker in the 80s were pretty hardcore. Everyone ordered them from Sears and they were pretty cheap and certainly not the best performing tools, but I'll be damned if they didn't last forever. Newer BnD stuff is hit or miss. Almost all of their tools nowadays are made for the most basic consumer doing the least commanding jobs around the house.
Great review and advice. I'm a beginner and the B&D sander is the one I picked almost 2 years ago. It does suit me at the level of work and expertise I have. Thanks
I have this sander. It’s not going to last in a commercial wood shop for sure, but for around the home projects it’s perfect. When I first used it, it left a lot of pigtails on my workpiece, but that was a technique issue, not the sander. Now that I’m looking to start a woodworking business, I will be looking for a new sander, but this one has worked just fine for the two years I’ve had it.
I think this is a sander that non professionals (or homeowners, housewifes etc ..) buy because they will use it a couple times on a project and they recognize the name from their coffee pot or kitchen appliance since it is the same brand. It is a great little sander and probably has some of the same DeWalt DNA. If it works, it works.
Right, the brand is recognizable. This is why I bought one a few years ago. And it's ok tbh.
Exactly it for me. I just bought this sander and at this point Im just using it before I repaint all my doors. I see black and decker as a discount brand that you can at least trust not to be complete crap like all the no name brands on Amazon. If I thought I would be using it all the time I would go with something like a Milwaukee, but I just dont see the point in dropping $100 for something I realistically will use only a couple times a year at most.
I myself bought that one as it was on the list of tools on Steve Ramsey's guide for tooling a woodshop for $1000. I dont use it a lot, but for the price have been happy
This is exactly why I bought it. I have made thousands with this sander. :) Maybe it's not the best, but it works great, in my opinion.
Lol! I actually purchased this exact sander to sand the planks on a deck I built on the back of my house. I know it sounds silly, but I got it because it was cheap, and I didn't want to destroy my Festool sander. In all honesty, it worked like a champ. I didn't care about dust because it was all outside. I also didn't notice any hard fatigue, but I was wearing a work glove, so.....could it be used for fine sanding on something you want a perfect finish on......maybe....but it's a big maybe. 😊
I've used this sander for a while and it does work well and hasn't had any issues. The bag does collect a surprising amount of dust if you're not using a shop vac too.
Same here. It’s great for the money.
I think it is a combination of price along with name brand. You can get some cheap sander you have never heard of or spend a few dollars more for a Black & Decker (a name many are familiar with). When most people think of Wen, they think bargain brand, so going with a name they trust at a really low price is just the right combination.
Yeah definitely. If you have 5 sanders around $28-$35 its minimal difference so you go for the well known brand. except those who just want the cheapest they can find. And true, Wen are building a good reputation but a lot of people will just see them as a chinese brand that may not be good quality
I have been using this for past 6 years and still have it. I was an occasional woodworker and this was perfect for that. Recently I started working on bigger pieces and this was not cutting it so took a plunge a bought bosch get65-5n and its a night and day difference, but I still feel this has a place in my workshop and thus keeping it!
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Based on experience, I'd recommend a plugin/corded DA sander as opposed to the typical battery powered unless you're already on a particular battery platformer looking to be. Corded allows a much longer runtime so can take your time and be careful with your project. Also, I a quick sanding tip, I like to sand all of the pieces of a project before assembly. Makes it way easier, almost always.
lighter too when using in odd places
I usually hook my shop vac to a disc sander so a cord isnt a big deal.
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I already had the DeWalt random orbital sander when I saw this video. I enjoy restoring cast iron woodworking machine tabletops, but wanted to keep my DeWalt for sanding wood only. Bought the Black & Decker model BDERO600 for around $40 for dedicated restoration purposes.
Although it is powerful enough, the fatigue from vibrations is real.
In my honest opinion the B&D sander is good for a few minutes of usage. After that you’ll feel that unpleasant feeling of a “shaky” hand as you described in the video.
If I have to buy it again, I’ll just skip the B&D and get the DeWalt.
Love the visual effects. I truly thought for a second that you printed out pictures of your website and the sanders like those giant checks they give out at golf tournaments 😂
ha! My editor, Chris, flexing his editing skills!
I have this one as well. In May it will be 2 years. Seems to work just fine for my evening and weekend use. I will use it 'til it goes kaput and switch to a dewalt or better. I have a 2 inch hose I keep zip tied to the power cord for hookup to the dust collectors ivac switch. This was a company gift - like I got to pick from a few items and this was one of them. Still happy I chose it.
I'm surprised 😮. Thanks Matt. 😊
I use this sander, it’s been doing the trick for quite a while.
But how well does it holds up over time? If you use it 30 minutes a week for 6 months or a year, how good does it run? Do the Velcro pads stay on? Heat? Power? Vibrations? I'm pretty sure any sander you buy on Amazon will be ok for a 20 minute run with a good sanding disc on.
Nice new editing. Getting fancy over there. Great job.
I own the wen sander and I use the Diablo net sanding disc's almost 0 dust when I use my cheap $20 2 gallon shop vac and the sander is so smooth you really should try it.
Agreed with you and the other commenters, it's not pricey, gets good reviews and it's got a name the has a certain pedigree from the 'old days'. Good review, and yeah, good choice for homeowners and those starting out woodworking.
Great video and a great pick. This little sander is actually a jewel. I have both the Dewalt and the B&D and really don't have a preference if I need to grab a corded sander. I always use a vaccuum on any sander as well as the 3M paper. Save some money on the B&D and use it to buy the Dewalt, Makita or Festool cordless unit. BTW, if you need to spend more than 15 minutes sanding something and do that often, you really should be using a high quality air sander or kiss your hands goodbye.
I think it’s important to also acknowledge the corporate umbrella they fall under. Black & Decker is owned by Stanley. Stanley also owns Craftsman, Porter Cable, Irwin, Mac… and DeWalt 😎
That’s true but I don’t understand fully the point you’re making.. mind to elaborate a little more?
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Just the fallacy of die hard brand loyalty I guess. Lots of folks might say “Porter Cable sucks, I’ll never support that company. I only buy and support DeWalt”.
Then I have to be the guy to sit him down and break the sad news that every dollar spent on DeWalt also helps support to Porter Cable, as they both play for the same team.
Then I have to watch that guy die a little on the inside lol.
(Nice cutting boards by the way! 👍👍)
I have the Wen sander. It’s fantastic.
I got that one. It works really well
I think that's wicked for a start up woodworking or hobby woodworking. I have a Makita orbital sander 110v and it's an absolute machine although one day would like to upgrade to mirka or 3m but can't justify the price right now. Great video Matt! 🏴👍
I have this sander and bought it for household DIY. You're right about the sort of goldilocks price point and otherwise Black and Decker used to be a valued tool brand.
Why didn't you run it hooked up to same dust extractor as your Dewalt? No sander is going to collect most of the fine dust without extraction.
Thanks, Matt. Good video, I had a Black and Decker Quantum (those green tools they sold for a while) ROS that I used for years until it finally died. Much like the current one, it was a single speed that worked pretty well, that had a dust bag that only sort of worked and sprayed fine dust on everything. Got a Makita a few years ago that I can hook up to my shop vac and it is so much better. Looking forward to your comprehensive sander review.
I got a Bauer from Harbor Frieght. Works great and hasn't let me down yet. I think it was on sale, $27ish. The Black and Decker name doesn't carry the same weight out used to. Kinda like Craftsman.
I also bought the Bauer last year when there was a coupon to make it $20 - I figured, price was right to take a chance on my first HF purchase.
I definitely have similar problems though with vibrations numbing my hand. That, and I wish the top grip was just a little smaller - I have decent sized hands, but I think it's maybe just a little too big, which adds to the hand issues.
@@matthewryan8463 I just haven't had much experience with more expensive sanders/tools. Don't really know what I'm missing 😅🤣
@@bigjerm_3189 Same! :D
I think the name sells it. You look about the same age as me, so I’m sure your experience is similar. I always saw my grandad and parents using black and decker, Skil and craftsman tools growing up that still work to this day. In fact I’m refurbishing my grandads old craftsman table saw now and it still runs good after sitting up for a couple of decades. So we associate those names with a tank of a tool they were in our childhood, even though the modern versions of those names have been relegated to diy/weekend warrior brands.
I hate to disagree with you so look up the reason that B&D bought several tools companies starting with in the 70's. It was because most people had unfavorable experiences with B&D tools. Same with their partner Stanley.
@@andrewpinson1268 I didn’t know about all that, I just know I came across my grandads old black and decker jigsaw a few months ago at my parents house and it still cuts pretty good lol. Mind you it don’t have modern amenities like a blower or orbital selector, but it still cut some pretty tight curves for me. That green color was ugly as sin though. 😂
@@Griffinwoodworks Yes both could be true. Any tool company can have gems and poor quality tools. I guess I spoke up because of my over fifty years of picking tools for woodworking. B&D and Stanley both had and have a history of buying tool companies and what I call Dumbing them down. That over the years has made me angry. Now that happens in every large company that buys others out. They buy quality - reduce cost drastically and sell at that still high price. I am sure you have seen this maybe in other companies. Sorry about my old man long winded comments.
@@andrewpinson1268 dude it’s cool. I’m always up for civil conversation with more experienced folks. I know they did that to both porter cable and craftsman most recently and it’s absolutely sickening considering both brands history. I’ve got my grandads saw and my wife’s grandads table saw, both different craftsman 113 models. They’d never let a saw that good get made today unless it was yellow and had a Dewalt logo on it. When they bought porter cable, I think they just changed branding and colors on the router that was the router to have back then.
Absolutely. My dad had a ton of Black & Decker and Craftsman tools. I have a set of the classic Craftsman screwdrivers just for the nostalgia. I think I still have my his B&D circular saw somewhere in my garage even though it stopped working several years ago.
I have the Black & Decker sander with the paddle on top. Otherwise it looks the same. I have found it to be a good sander. I also have the same Dewalt sander. I find that i like to use the Black & Decker for the 60 & 80 grit with standard sandpaper and the 100-150+ I use the Dewalt with the Xtract appear from 3M. I like the finishing with the Xtract and Dewalt more then the Black & Decker. Just my personal preference and opinion.
Great comparison video!!
I own a cordless DeWalt also. It does pretty good. Great video and content. @Matt I love your t shirt
If only you could get something similar with a low profile. There are a few copies out now of the mirkas with a paddle switch. These don't have a speed adjustment dependant on how far you push the paddle down but that doesn't really matter. The best thing about the mirkas (for me) was that my wrist wasn't 6 inches above the piece I was sanding and all those vibrations were moving through a larger sander body towards it. Lower and wider would be awesome.
Yeah I have this sander. It’s cheap and works but I’m definitely at the point of upgrading for efficiency
Howdy Mr. 731....a.k.a. Mr. Buttons (I'm gonna start getting everyone to call you Mr. Buttons. 😅). (Inside joke people 😊).
I LOVED this video. Give your editor a fist bump (or bonus 😮) cause I loved it when you held up your hands and there was a pic of a sander. Excellent!!!
Moving on; All that dust collected in the bag. Though I don't own a B & D sander, my Dewalt has a bag and on my initial FIRST rough sanding, I use the bag instead of the vacuum attachment for the specific purpose of being able to collect the dust from THAT board/boards. I then empty that bag into a zip lock sandwich bag and label it...Pine, Walnut, Cedar etc etc and I date it.
I have found that "when needed", that particular dust from THAT board comes in handy when, for instance I want to fill in Brad nail holes, perhaps minor cracks.
I'll add some glue (just a little bit) and then sprinkle some dust onto that glue, then sacrifice some 100 or 120 grit WHILE the glue is still wet and sand/rub that into the nail holes or small cracks/scratches.
It's a perfect match every single time.
As for vibration. Honestly Mr. Buttons (😊)....I have no idea what you and others are talking about.
I have NEVER noticed any vibration numbness. Back when I actually worked in cabinet shops n such, we used sanders that hooked up to an air hose. No vibration numbness. I've used Dewalt sanders forever and a day plus 2 more days, never had numbness.
I dunno Sir....Perhaps I'm just used to it? Never seems to bother me and certainly not a bother enough to where I'd dump $300+ on a sander just for that purpose.
All in all though...I'd say it comes down to "method" of sanding. The variable speed TOTALLY makes a difference depending on which stange of sanding you are doing. Lower speed for rough sanding, higher speed AND a lighter pressure for finer sanding. Easy.
As for any sandpaper that comes with a tool.....well, it's kinda like that plastic miter gauge that comes with a tool. It's crap. Goes straight in the garbage.
I like Diablo sandpaper for my rough sanding, then I switch to cubitron for finer sanding. Rough sanding with cubitron disks just wastes money, clogs up way too much and I've used cheap cubitron and VERY expensive, same result.
Anyways Sir Buttons 😅, Loved the video. Looking forward to the next one.
Cool video trick with your website and the images of the sanders.
I can think of another reason why it is the best selling sander. When a non woodworker wants to buy a woodworker a sander as a gift, they go onto Amazon and they buy black and decker because they recognize the brand. That is how I got mine from my wife many years ago 😀The sander has been working fine and meets my diy needs. And you cannot beat the price. I laughed when I first saw the picture for the video because I recognized the sander.
I had the same sander. Bought it because of the price for a name brand. It worked well but the pad didn't last. It started binding after about 60 hours of total use, had to replace the pad. Ended up buying a Dewalt.
Black & Decker and DeWalt are both owned by Stanley tools, and there are a lot of common components between all tool brands. I worked for them for 5 years.
I think you overlooked one other element to the equation. Brand recognition. People who primarily use tools in a DIY fashion may still recognize Black & Decker for their past reputation as opposed to now where they're now been largely eclipsed.
Because it's cheap and many new woodworkers buy the cheapest to get going. Black and Decker has the title of the go to budget brand because it's in all the box and department stores. My very first tool purchase was a B & D jig saw, purchased used in 1993 from a college student for $10. I still have it and use it on occasion when I break a blade on my newer Craftsman Pro jig saw. Still works well after 30 years.
Ironically Black & Decker is hardly at any store. If you do manage to find a place that carries them the options are very small. They sell most of their products online.
Dad used to say that if you plan on keeping something more than 5 years, buy the best you can afford. B&D doesn’t apply.
My last job i worked as head of maintenance at a Best Western and the owner was CHEAP AS F. They would not spend money on tools I needed so I ended up with all Black and Decker shit, small circular saw(cordless), a drill(cordless) and that sander. I was actually impressed with quality for the price. Over the 5 years I worked there I beat the piss out of them and never gave up on me.
You are really a nice guy! You always try to help people make a good decision, don't spend too much money and try to make something where you can earn some money! You are great guy!! ❤👍🏻✊🏻
Honestly my go-to sander for years has been a B&D quarter sheet palm sander. Got a decent Bosch ROS, just never felt like it does any better. 🤷🏼
This is good for DIY'ers, who may only use it once in a blue moon. But not a good buy for real woodworkers.
Matt, I appreciate your tool videos, but I appreciate your woodworking more.
Please make something for us!
I've been using this B&D sander for yrs.
I’ve been using this sander for probably 10+ years. Only issue I’ve had was the Velcro came loose in one spot and needed a glue touch up. The bag is useless so I just connect my shop vac.
Love that little effect you did with the subscribe button at 3:40 and with the website at 5:57
Black and Decker generally has a good historical reputation. I have some that have lasted for a long time (does anyone remember the Black and Decker Mouse sander?). Among those that DIY, I imagine that reputation still carries forward. And heck ya, it is cheaper, and made by the same company the makes Dewalt. Hmm, they sure look alike.
They still make the Mouse.
BTW, better to make bench cookies than buy them, especially in Canada where we pay 50x the price for everything. But they are very handy!
Skil is the current corded orbital best seller. BD dropped to #17. You should review the Skil.
I have a Bosch 5”, it’s pretty dang good. I just got a 2.5” hose to hook to it it’s great.
Only complaint is the Dang 3m 710w sanding discs don’t stick well to it!!!! Makes me an angry badger.
I went with the Skil. It's pretty fast. Variable speed. Definitely better than the B&D.
I finally moved to a Ridgid orbital, variable speed, soft start...it's incredible, and no discomfort even after more than an hour of steady sanding. Not a B&D fan at all.
What is opinion about Harbor freight Hercules orbital sander and sheet sander.
Your video editing skills are really getting impressive! Well done.
Not mine Lee, that's Chris, my editor
What a coincidence! I just threw my black and decker in the trash!
Nice editing!
Can you use a festool dust collector vacuum with this?
It makes sense that that black and decker sander feels like your DeWalt, they are both made by Stanley, Black and Decker.
Mine just died (I think) a week ago while scuff sanding 6 doors. I got exactly 3 years out of it 😂 spooky. It started making a rubbing noise and then it let out this loud shriek and a pop. I just replaced the backer pad on it too.
Only issues in the 3 years was the power button was starting to lose its tactile responsiveness.
Your content keeps getting better. Great job, Matt
Thank you Matthew!
I have been using a Black & Decker sander for 35 years, the switch is starting to give me trouble but I think I got my money worth.
better go another thirty-five years
just to be sure
I have carpal tunnel, after 35+ years in the automotive and Heavy Duty transport industries. All those repetitive motion, loosening bolts, tightening bolts, removing engines, disassembling, inspecting, rebuilding/reassembling engines, and transmissions, grinding, sanding, painting all have taken their toll, and I haven't even mentioned what all those years and all those long hours have done to my knees.
All that to say, I want smoothest sander available.🤓😎😇😂
Would have been nice to see the same test with the dewalt. And maybe again with a dust extractor connected
Really enjoy your channel
It's nice to see how cheaper tools are in USA, here in Brazil everything is twice the price :(
I have this sander. It was something that I got when I did not need a sander for much, basically for small home projects, things that some might use a block plane for. e.g. this door won't open in the rain. Small amount of sanding and a new coat of paint and the door opens again. This was before I got into woodworking and needed a better sander, which I have now.
I would disagree with the point of it being in the middle priced, I think it has more to do with familiarity with B&D and the price compared to DeWalt. Where Powerstroke probably makes an okay sander for the same types of jobs, but the B&D is so close in price to it I would go for the one I am familiar with for a few dollars more. It is almost like when you buy a TV, do you go for the Visio or the off branded TV (it depends on your opinion of Sony). Yes one is slightly more expensive, but the other one is a named brand.
It's the cheapest recognizable brand sander. BTW, I've had one of these B&D sanders for over a year. I bought it as a cheap replacement for a Bosch sander that crapped out on me in the middle of a project. I didn't want to spend $80-100 at the time and planned on replacing it at a latter date with a "better" brand. After using it I never saw the need.
Featured items get more purchases because people think Amazon knows better, but the fact companies pay Amazon to feature products is not a true indicator it's better.
just bought myself a Dewalt corded sander
You cannot judge the dust collection if you keep on sanding after the collection bag is filled. There's no place else for the dust to go than onto the work and into the air. Maybe it's better than you think, or maybe not. Your method doesn't tell us how well it performs in this regard if we empty the bag before it fills.
Would you be willing to do a review on Harbor Freight Bauer orbital sander? This was a sander gifted to me for Father's day last year. I've been using it since then and been having great results.
Stay tuned.....
I got the skil which has antifatigue was maybe a little more than Black and Decker and usually take and have Black and Decker but I really like the skil.
I purchased a dewalt 3.0 amp variable speed corded sander last night and he drops this video now.😂
You'll love the DeWALT
Just had my sander get too hot. The screws burned through the pad I stick the sanding paper to and it went flying off. Huge holes in there, pretty sure it's unrepairable.
I’d say it’s definitely not a woodworkers tool, but a home DIYer would enjoy it. Also that subscribe button edit you did was sick!
My editor, Chris, is very talented!
I have the Ryobi 18v and it works well but it is so uncomfortable to use.
I know, I need a better sander, just hard to justify the cost when my woodworking doesn't bring in money
Remember your happiness has value. If woodworking helps you destress and gives you a sense of accomplishment, you can justify spending some money on it.
Please do a wen orbital sander review!
Great job, I liked the added animation of you "picking up" the web picts, cool
Chris (the editor) has skills!
Chris did a fabulous job! You did a very nice job acting it out as well.
when I get mine, it will be Dewalt, for my color scheme
Off topic, I just received a notification that my plans order was cancelled, are your plans no longer available?
Not sure why that would've happened.
I have this sander. Worked great until the plastic on the pad melted at the mounting points and came off. Costs almost as much for a new pad as it does the sander. I have a DeWalt now.
But do you recommend a dust mask or a dust collection system? I think that would be very important.😂
Holy crap, 12 bucks lowest price is insane. I pay more than that for 50pc pack of 3M Xtract Cubitron sanding paper.
I was curious about the Wen sander
Awesome review!! Lovin the cool effects!
Thanks Lloyd, my editor Chris is flexing his skills!
I watched your video which was good. I continued to purchase some plans on your website. Bit it did NOT give me the opportunity to type in the code for 20% off. This is my first buying from you. What can be done to rectify this.
message me through the contact form with your order number and I'll take care of it.
@731Woodworks sorry not sure where the contact form is.
I really like your new video clips of the other units you are talking about, really cool. I generally watch every video you produce, fantastic job and great information for me.
Interesting!
One reason is black & decker is a house hold name. Second the average home owner & dyi are cheap, buy a tool and use it maybe every blue moon
Well done video! I liked the added 'props' 🙂
One reason it is a best selling product is the name. B&D (NOT bondage and discipline) has been a respected tool brand more than 100 years. An additional tidbit: B&D owns Dewalt.
Isn't black and decker and also Dewalt made by same company? I think I heard that somewhere before.. like Dewalt is made by black and decker.. not sure but..
It lasted me about 20 benches and 28 out door chairs before it burned up.
I quit buying B&D about fifty years ago. And yes I know B&D /Stanley owns some good companies, but B&D is the walmart of tools. If it can be cheapened up they will do it. I am not a complete snob, but B&D is one I do not break on.