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Apple store destroys Snazzy's iMac: what they could have done differently.
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Linus: I broke my iMac and Apple refused to fix it.
Snazzy: Hold my beer, I'll get Apple to break it themselves.
Sergiy Botsman underrated comment
Haha true. I can't wait for a next level story!
Sergiy Botsman terrible, but funny as hell
Haha. This was great!
Sergiy Botsman ROFL
Wait a minute.
The VESA mount is SOLD BY Apple, has Apple logos plastered all over it's documentation, and it's "not an Apple product", being made by a third party.
But a refurbished screen using original Apple parts is a "counterfeit" for being repaired by a third party?
By Apple's logic, shouldn't these VESA mounts be considered "counterfeit"? Specially considering how low-quality they are!
Cheeky bastards, the bunch of 'em!
Its apple hipocrasy.
Yes, apple sells counterfeit VESA mounts.
you can build a better one DIY for 5 -10 bucks
"Think different"
+Terry Wilson -- You getting defensive about someone posting something _similar_ to something you posted on a _different_ video on the internet?
Couldn’t have said it better myself. 👏
Bro You were screwing it wrong. that's what apple says
Merul Dhiman except Apple screwed it back on themselves when he brought it to the Apple store, and warped and scratched the crap out of it. And still used the same crappy screws. Lol
are you building a new hackintosh soon? i love to see another build.
..and Apple are the very best at screwing everything that they should know!
Nothing can screw something better than Apple
Now power tools will have a warning label saying keep away from small children and genius bar techs
That’s the same thing.
You guys should stop comparing Apple to IKEA, I find it insulting to IKEA. :)
Grim Engineer yea at least people expect what they get from ikea, ikea is priced for what you actually gey and they have good customer service and warranties
That and IKEA screws are better than what was shown here.
well IKEA gives better hardware and it is the cheapest you can get so you are kind of buying low QL stuff. and I expect to screws to be made from aluminium and they are tiny so I am not surprised that they break.
Though IKEA stuff is stronger then you think
At least with Ikea you get what you pay for.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 My desk from IKEA is going on 7-8 years old now. That's at least the product life expectancy from 3-4 devices from apple.
So I can have my iMac fixed better at a automotive than a actual apple store
"Can't provide waranty because we don't manufacture it" is illegal under EU law. You sold the customer the good, it's up to you to arrange for waranty, if it requires you to send it to the actual manufacturer, you do that not the consumer.
Hassan Dibani I don’t think he lives in the EU.
Not sure if that law applies to America. SnazzyLabs lives in Utah in the U.S.
In the US the warranty must list the terms and who to contact. Apple failed because they gave an Apple support number in the documentation but then denied giving support saying it was made by a third party. It is okay to have another company provide support but Apple must give out that information. Also, if that company fails to provide warranty support then Apple is still on the hook to do so, or replace the product or provide a refund. There is a concept in US law that a person does not have to track down a potentially endless number of people or companies when wronged or something is due to them. He bought an Apple product directly from Apple (no wiggle room there) so Apple is legally obligated to ensure warranty coverage occurs. Ultimately Apple provided coverage but not everyone lives near an Apple store or has a UA-cam channel with lots of subscribers.
The only thing Apple will screw properly is their customers.
Oh, nice!!
ouch.....
"Only Microsoft product that does not suck is their vacuum"
🤣🤣🤣
"but I thought, Apple is GREAT at design, I'm sure it's not an issue" Snazzy you poor fool, the most revealing quote ever. Apple his demonstrably HORRIBLE at design as you learned the hard way.
Rod And a billion dollar company with thousands of employees is not able to construct a $5,000 computer properly? The complete mounting thing is a joke.
They are great and awful at the same time when it comes to design
To be fair... the weak spot of this whole thing was not made by Apple... I just don't get how they can license something as shit as that thing there. Especially for a product so expensive. You also would expect apple to do some testing first before selling stuff like that... Something's going terribly wrong at apple these days...
As he said, he is a long time apple customer and has always been impressed with the service and quality until now. What a pathetic shitshow from Apple. They deserve the back lash, but there is still time for them to return to what made many love them.
Apple cares about form (how something looks) over function (how something works). Just because something looks good doesn't mean it's designed well...
IKEA does not deserve this comparison at all.
Yeah it does. On all fronts.
@@Igni_RW No it does not. Ikea is cheap and people don't expect to get quality. Spending 5000$ on an iMac pro you expect to get something that quality and is great.
Apple, redefining the word "genius" one screw-up at a time
Pun intended
Weapons grade chinesium screws
More like weapons grade bolonium
Oh boy, I'm gonna use the word chinesium on cheap sh*t from now on hahaha.... Thank you for that!
hassaization they are made of Chinesium materials
combined with custom chinese folding metal
Apple will 're-imagine' the screws. To be sold in space grey and rose gold no doubt.
and made from even lower grade aluminium next time for sure ;)
apple screws bendgate will become a thing then
+john li Next iPhone will be made entirely from cheapest plastic. apple fanboys still salivating :) so next bendgate -> desinteg(r)ate :)
@@peterpain6625 They'll be made out of counterfeit Chineseium
Just wait 2 years and there’ll only be rose gold screws left and there’ll be 1/2 the price.
Premium price for substandard hardware.
Well played Apple!
Apple is laughing. Because they know those idiots will buy another apple regardless. I guarantee you this snazzy guy will buy another apple.
That really is the problem in far more areas than hardware. "Team" based anything is fertile ground for growing forests of bias and cognitive dissonance.
People rarely change political parties, religions or hardware companies they support more or less for all the same reasons.
Its OK to recognize that you were on a bad "team" or that your once good "team" went to hell.
King Baldwin IV
I've watched Snazzy for a while now, and yep he will. He built a couple of different budget Hackintosh systems for less then 1/2 the price of Apple hardware that was blowing their doors off, and as you see in this video spent $5,000 on Apple IMac Pro, and he also bought an iPhone X which ranted about, and an Apple Homepod which he also ranted about being crap. These Apple fanboys are just insane.
Hell come to think of it meth addicts are not this bad, because if they get crap meth, and/or they are being overcharged, then they will find a better dealer bar none.
Snazzy's whole deal is Apple, though. That's literally how he's built his channel.
nosirrahx id say you cant really lump religion and political parties with tec groups its apples and oranges ( pun intended ), since tec companies make a tangible product with real world specs and limits but political parties and religions are about ideas and beliefs and values that tend to not change for someone past a certain age.
And he's pretty much attacking Apple now aday.
Those screws are made of what AvE would call "Chinesium" only in this case they're the most expensive Chinesium I've ever seen. Also the screws look like they were specced to small. Probably would be better with a size or two up.
Seems like Apple regularly puts its dick in a vice
Even Chinese stores wouldn't sell something as worthless as Apple does.
The base metal frame where the screw holes are located will not support a larger screw. So Snazzy is doubly screwed.
Weapons grade Chineseum by the looks....
Whatever they're made of, they're way too small to hold the weight. Which could be part of why they snap.
lol 😂 Chinesium
This is utter bullshit from start to finish. The cost of the adapter, ridiculous. You could by a VESA mount adapter that would hold a 50" TV on the wall for that price.
The selling of something on the store as an Apple product but then saying it's not warrantied or Apples concern.
The quality (or utter lack of). Surely the whole thing should be steel, not aluminium.
Then some genius butchers the crap out of everything and it's just handed back to the customer. Surely the correct thing to do would be honest to the customer and order a replacement the moment it was scratched? Never mind handing it back after it was probably used as a crow bar to open some other customers glued together CrApple product!
And on top of all that, to not even be able to properly discuss a problem over the phone after purchasing a premium product?! All for a mere $5000. I bet he felt like a well respected well looked after customer after all that.
That computer is pretty heavy. A mount for it should be able to support a 50" TV, but that mount looks barely strong enough to carry a laptop and I could probably break those screws with my teeth. The product is not worth the paper the fake warranty is printed on.
seriously, any other PC manufacturer would have already emailed this guy, personally apologized, and offered a replacement by now. how infected our minds must be that we're willing to accept abuse from apple that we'd fucking sue over if it came from any other company. pay a premium for the worst possible product in every way imaginable. yeah, it looks lovely... until apple's "genius bar" takes a fucking cheese grater to it.
They are giving him a sense of "pride and accomplishment".
Apple certainly is terrible but I cant feel sorry for the guy when he was stupid enough to buy it in the first place. And will almost certainly buy the next one!
SpiderEyes yeah...it begins just there, such an adapter should be included for free on a $5000+ machine!!
I bought an Acer Predator 34" Ultrawide. Came with a stand and vesa wall mount.
Apple hates its customers. Why they give them money to be hated??
Damon Dziewiontkowski
I have 3 24in 1080p 60hz Sceptre monitors I bought off Newegg for $310 total shipped to my door, the stands are better than this apple crap, and they have the proper screw holes for VESA mounting if I ever do want to do that. So yeah even budget monitors have Apple beat lol!
Is there any software only for OSX? Everything either works on Windows or Linux.
@@ziomalisty Very few, but nothing essential.
Every monitor I've ever owned had the VESA mount holes right in the back, no adapter BS required. No holding the thing up on five pot metal screws.
Even the fasteners from Ikea are of better quality.
I know, right?!
Hell I bought a $12 wooden banana hook/stand off eBay that came from China that came in 2 pieces(base, and hook), and the screws to put it together we're better made for a freaking banana hook. LMAO!!!
Exactly! I have never gotten any bad quality hinges or screws from IKEA, but once in a while one or two screws are missing.
Ikea fasteners are of good quality.
Yeah. The furniture may be made out of veneered cardboard, but the fasteners have always been fine in my experience.
Apple is hiring "geniuses" in my area. Wonder how the pay is, I should probably apply. I've never had a Apple product other than a iPod but it seems like I'm way more experienced than the people already working there.
I always thought working at a genius bar required you to get a lobotomy and also get both your hands broken badly before getting a job there ;)
The good thing is: You can't do anything wrong, sheep will accept everything.
I wouldnt be surprised if the other apple geniuses are like yourself, but forced to act this way because of some company policy crap
Genius bar with a Drill - sound like title of bad scary movie
i know right ... would trust s o from the reje...errr...genius bar with anything if my life depended on it.
Cheetah VESA wall mount, $30. Holds a hundred pound TV like nothing. Apple VESA mount, $80, falls apart.
"would you trust someone at the genius bar with a drill?"
I wouldn't trust someone at the genius bar with a biscuit.
It's courage!
A B Exactly, its more aerodynamic for better cooling. Courage!
I just find it so ironic that the Apple Store that Snazzy went to only had 1 (yes 1) Apple Genius, & he was (IS) the "Head Genius", to boot; that was qualified to work on the iMac Pro (late 2017 model). Doesn't anyone else find this ironic, seriously. One would think that EVERY & ALL Apple Geniuses (honestly, so hate whomever it was that came up with that PR naming scheme, cuz I'd throw a dictionary at them along with the Apple Service Manuals for repairing Apple Products) working at an Apple Store ARE "Certified & Trained properly" to service ALL Apple Products, AND any 3rd part Apple Products that are Certified Apple & sold at/through/by Apple; especially when they have Legit Apple Documentation included within packaging! OMG, & ppl have a hard time believing the stories I tell about fixing/repairing Apple Products(& other Brands as well, as, stupidity isn't limited to just Apple's Company😏); like I'm making them up. Yeah they may sound unbelievable......."but it's all true baby, it's all true".
It's been fun Louis, as always. Can't wait for another one. Cheers, A
I wouldn't recommend using stainless steel screws unless you apply some anti-seize to them. Stainless is a extremely abrasive metal and will easily gall in aluminum without lubrication. Just get some good grade 8 oxide coated socket head cap screws and call it a day. If you buy 100 of them at Fastenal it might cost you $3 or $4. Personally if I owned one of those I would drill and tap the holes to the next larger size. They seem WAY to small for the job their doing.
Buy 100 of them and then sell them as kits for $40 for 9, apple style.
Stainless is just fine and been used on motorcycle for min years it just need be passivated heck even today cook ware has a mix of both metal alloy consisting
I agree. Also, this video and comments from experienced techs is another example of how "non-authorised third-party" techs can be way more competent than supposed "authorised" repair.
LOL, don't know and never will because I don't own one and can guarantee I never will. Hard to tell in the video but they do look like they may be M3. I have owned 2 Apple products in my lifetime, an iPod and iHome. I don't think I would take a Apple computer if someone gave it to me for free. Though they might make good targets for my 338 Lapua or 50 BMG. I bet some armor piercing incendiary rounds would look good going through one. :-)
Galling usually only occurs between similair metals though.
Even using 304 on 316 reduces the chance of galling a lot.
Using five phosphate ChrMo m5 cap head bolts would make for an extremely secure connection.
I concur with using anti seize to mitigate any galvanic corrosion issues.
If only the quality was there for the price.. but nope...
If the quality was up to par ok. But its like all shiny and stuff and rotten on the inside ... They really should add a worm to their logo ;)
That' VESA mount turned the iMac into a PC.
Zwerker the sarcasm is strong with you
It didn't turn it into a PC, it turned it into a shitty wall-mounted iMac.
Hamad Alsayed He was making a reference to another video where Apple claimed a solder fix made it a PC, and therefore a counterfeit Mac.
wtf? that's a thing? please link
So basically that to me sounds that apple is in "Trademark Infringement" :) Apple is selling someone's else's product with apple logo, hm - by the Policy of trademark you are not allowed to do that !!
But they don't allow Louis or anyone else to put a now screen etc. into Iphone!! Thy will say that that is counterfeiting nad changing a product nature, hm - who is f*-ing who here?
It may be a trademark, but does exclude third-party companies contracted by the main company. Apple has a contract with whatever company made those items AND APPROVES their product (probably because it is cheaper to contract other manufacturers than building and equipping your own). I even bet that the screen in iPhones aren't made internally. Isn't this how every fucking producr ever is "Made in China"?
NothingXemnas the screens are made by Samsung
it's strange, I drive for Uber and I have people who want to use my Aux port to play music. I'm a nice guy so I don't mind. but 9 out of 10 can't simply because they have an Iphone without a headphone jack. and then they expect me (who does not own a single apple product, never has never will) to provide them with the addapter. no I don't. I went out on a limb to purchase a multi adapter for various apple products to charge their phone and it also does android so that's fair enough to me but then people want to complain about not being able to use a "Standard 3.5 mm headphone jack" there's a reason it's considered "Standard" it means everyone should have one. talking about nickel and diming you to death. I keep telling people to stop buying apple. I just need to point them to your youtube so maybe they can learn something. because they don't believe me when I tell them..
"Would you trust anybody at apple store with a power tool?"
That made my day
i always buy IKEA's stuff and I NEVER has any screw broken
The complete mount is a construction fail. You need 9 tiny screws for the stand? Thats weird.
seriously, why the tiny screws, why the stupid placement, why Apple
It's called thinking differently.
9 get used if you're using the stand, 5 for the VESA mount
Not defending Apple, it is still a shitty product, but if they used larger screws it would cut into the amount of space they could use for hardware
apple engineering quality. Think different.
"This is the company you choose to defend"
If I'm not mistaken, the way those screws are angled is the problem. It isn't using the tension of the screws to hold the monitor mounted, it is the sheer force of the screws.
Screws are great at tension, But terrible at sheer. They just break.
At least in part, you are right.
Strong steel screws that are large enough can take the side force. They could have done that too.
Ken:
was thinking the same thing here. above a certain grade it's basically nuts what you're trying to do with a screw, it would just laugh at you regardless.
enter chinesium, it would break right away and then laugh at your stupid face...
as true as that may be thats not entirely the problem here as at the end of snazzys vid when he got his imac back and tried to remove the vesa mount it hadnt been put under any stress/load at that point and one of the screws still snapped clean off
calvin holtzclaw:
We don't know for a fact there never was a shear load applied even in that case. We only know it was not much for very long. If you don't do up bolts like torquing down an engine head, the last one you tighten can have a serious load on it just from miss alignment. This is why it is good to use two studs to do the positioning and bolts to press the surfaces together.
memespace
Screws and bolts are usually perfectly fine with lateral loads. They don't hold the load by their body, but apply serious clamping force to the contact surfaces. And the resulted high friction holds the load.
Cool! My comment on Quinn's video 2 days ago:
"Louis Rossmann will love this story."
I was not mistaken.
2:28 "Apple is great at design" OMEGALUL
I'm willing to bet several of the electronics I bought cheap on eBay or Aliexpress still have mostly stainless steel screws, specially on structural support parts. In fact, I don't even have to bet... I've opened up some stuff already. Can't remember seeing anything like those.
I remember seeing some very crappy materials being used over a decade ago on poorly faked stuff... like, not white brand, not chinese brands, but really fake fake stuff made to look like the original but using crap parts and materials. At least on those cases there was a proper reason to do it, so it cost way less to manufacture and they could sell it at a fraction of the price of the original.
Will Apple stores start selling cases and pouches made out internally with recycled cardboard, toothpaste containers and milk cartons or something?
The whole thing is pretty damning
I bet they will white van quality isn't exclusive to fly by night companies
This format is much better, it doesnt need to be 50 minutes long, thank you
He put a VESA mount. Its now a PC.
As far as I know Apple does sell 3rd party products in their stores like DJI drones... But yeah, I wasn't expecting something branded Apple not to be supported by them. I understand that they're not made by them which is fine. iPhones are made at Foxconn too, but at least they support them...
Sorry, but I have most of my furniture from IKEA, but never had any problems with breaking screws.
Maybe that the US IKEA uses crappy US made screws but those in The Netherlands provide 1st class nickel plated screws.
The only time I had screws break off was with Chinese made Electronic devices where the screw holes were tapped wrong.
Retapping those fixed it.
By the way, I prefer metric screws, and IKEA here uses those.
I've bought plenty of Ikea furniture here in the US and I've never had any issue with the quality of the fasteners.
Gary Weiner; so it's not IKEA that's at fault, it's Apple using shitty hardware (sic).
How surprised I am! (LOL)
I think the ikea thing was more of a joke due to ikea basically being a meme
Ya, never had any issue with IKEA screws either.
ding dong & others;
For me that settles it. Only Apple uses these crappy materials.
If Apple would have been around some 2000 ago, the whole world would look totally different by now!
I appreciate the fact that you had someone in the automotive field in the video.
He pretty much states exactly what I was thinking watching the original video.
I'm totally not a "computer/tech" guy,but I like and sometimes love your content! Been watching or listening for a couple years.Keep up the good work my man!!!
Good Grief, I've seen it all now. Do you guys have decent Health & Safety Laws over the Pond there? If that was in Europe and they put Zinc screws in a VESA mount, that could be a major safety risk (imagine if for example, he had a visiting Family member with a small baby crawling around underneath the mount. Apple wouldn't have a leg to stand on and the HSE would be able to take action on safety grounds and force them to make it safe and I would make damn sure that Apple suffered if it were me.
It's up to each and every one of us to do all we can to make companies like this accountable. If you're Public Health and Safety have any teeth, then you all need to help them to start biting Apple and getting unsafe products made safe, period.
As always Louis, more power to your elbow mate...
How can you expect apple to use quality screws when they’re already paying so much to be a billion dollar company?!
I saw that video and was shocked to see what they did to his iMac and to pass it off as a quality repair. Its actually well worth watching that video in its entirety.
no more "made by Apple"..
Apple use all 3rd party company.. that is messed up
FoxConn Motherboards. Intel CPUs. nVidia graphics. LG LCDs. Micron RAM. SanDisk SSDs.
Think Different. Think supply chain vendors.
Don't they use Samsung nand flash in the MacBooks?
Apple hasn't 'made' anything for years now.
Stockholm syndrom.....loving your captor.
$3 retail screws, hell to apple that's a $60 upgrade.
Just wanted to say i love the video's and have been making an effort to watch as many of your youtube video's as possible. Like the opinions and the feel the quality of the content is awesome! Please keep it up.
Yes! I was waiting for this to pop up in my feed
Think different think recyclable. Now Apple Inc. presents the paper screws (trademarked). 😂🤣
Sigh...😶
The problem is, crApple does not recycle. They shredder!
recycling = reusing material
shredding = destroying and throwing it away
/just saying, because of sarcasm etc.
Eiszapfen der wütenden Winde Ikr... I don't think that they save any money anyway. They pay it in court fees and warranty repairs. +They loose good busyness, since the more money you spend with them the more you get screwed.
nikos pant Gallium Screws. They melt once the computer starts to warm up!
Figured we'd see a video on this lol. What an absolute joke of a situation. I mean really, zinc screws?
Jesse they're probably aluminum to match the other aluminum parts.
Perhaps, if it is it must be that same shitty stuff the iphone 6 was made out of.
But still, they use regular old steel or whatever alloy screws everywhere else, why in gods name would they do this on a weight bearing component?
they obviously failed their material science and solid mechanics
Jernej Jakob Ally on ally would have eventually cold welded (without antiseize).
"people that buy this product, know they are not getting a bargain...." thats one way to put it nicely.
Really enjoyed this video. Felt laid back but also to the point. Anyway, loving your content :)
that's some fine chinesium screws
redtails well... they are made of Chinesium materials
nah its like congoium. even chinesium screws would last for at least 10 uses
It's not about how to take this broken screw correctly. They should take iMac apart and replace whole hinge.. but this requires cutting screen adhesive and I forgot it's glued by goblis tears or sth..
In Germany there is a dealers warranty. The dealer has to replace or refund your broken goods within 6 months (up to two years if you can prove that the damage is due to a flaw in the product). The dealer then has to handle the manufacturers warranty. Makes it so much easier for the customer. You just go where you bought it.
I did some calculations and a zinc M2.5 should be tightened to around 10Ncm to reach tensile yield, or in other words these screws don't like to be screwed on hard. Even normal low carbon steel would have something like 25Ncm, so the variations in production would lower the risk of a binding screw snapping just from the headroom.
If I designed this thing I would use a horizontal bar (or just a pin on each side) as the holder so the stand don't slip out, then only have one or two screws to _hold_ the bar or pins in place, that way you don't put any sort of stress on the screws and you can use shitty screws if you're cheapasses like apple.
Another alternative would be to use higher quality screws and a better fastening design, the screws are 6.5mm long and only like 2mm actually grips threads (so you have 4.5mm that's wasted), the original stand probably only has 2mm of free space on the screws due to the design of the OG stand. I would not be surprised if that actually helps the structural integrity of the fastening system.
If you buy these screws in high quality stainless steel they might cost $20..40/1000 pieces. So thats like 2 to 4 cent per screw.
Nah. They're like 0.6-1.4c in china max. Even less if you really go bulk.
I was being generous not to state a too low price. The price I mentioned is for high quality A2 stainless steel screws made in Europe or perhaps North America.
Sure. But this mount seems to be manufactured "as cheap as possible" somewhere for less than 3USD at most :)
Louis Rossman, great way to slam Apple. (:
Bring someone in that “COULD” be an expert and have them say where they failed.
Thank you for this video.
Universal studios food court has QR codes on the bottle of their soda cups so the soda machine QR scanner knows whether or not you've paid for refills or not.
Brass screws would be better for aluminum mounting but the point stands that Apple is not only selling a defective product but charging a premium for it, claiming that the product they sell as if it were first party is in fact not, and subsequently damaging a highly expensive machine in a botched repair job. I work on jet engines and we make sure that the fasteners we use for load bearing components are made of an appropriate material of high quality. Aside from special fasteners that must be made of materials like silver, none of the fasteners used on a GE F-110 engine (a $3,000,000 engine) are made of low quality or unfit metal. They're titanium, high tensile strength stainless steel, or aircraft grade aluminum. Apple likes their space age design aesthetic but they should take cues from the aerospace industry and only use quality materials. But this is Apple we're talking about, so they'll be "courageous" and just keep making their overpriced products out of low quality shit.
Apples fans to come back with the argument they can just go to a diy store and spend another $3 of real screws, problem solved, stop hating Apple :P
Though by removing the screws didnt this guy alter his Apple Mac and therefore it is now a PC?
bigo93 I think that is what my computer course taught me.... And to turn a pc into a Mac, forget the screws and glue and rivet it together
Obi Dark because Apple accused a guy of turning a Mac into a PC when he conducted solder repair on his Mac. Apple started the BS, we are being sarcastic about it.
Wtf $80??? Is this a joke?
The would cost dollars to manufacture tho
NÖME Technologys and Designs yea, cost them $10, sell for 80 xdddd
I saw wall mounts with motorised and remote control adjustments at that price...
Yes, we did learn something. Thanks for sharing Louis.
Ha! And here I thought I sent you something new. Glad to see you know about this. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
It was lagging on GTA 5 XD XD XD. $5k for a machine that can't handle what my 2014 Scan UK laptop can run at 170FPS on ultra. You actually have to have serious mental difficulties to buy apple products.
That's... it? Apple must have dog shit optimization if having more pixels cuts your FPS by almost two-thirds what a cheaper and older competitor can manage
Kyaputen Harokku lmfao. Almost nothing is filmed or made in apples stupidly high resolution. Gta 5 looked good for its time on a full HD monitor. I don't want fucking retina displays that ruin the experience of everything that came before them. And if you do, it think you a complete idiot I'm afraid.
That laptop is a toy to me, that was my point. My actual working computer is a god damn spaceship :D My only point is this - Apple are a waste of money on every level and they put their tech efforts in the wrong places. Id far rather have all the other things I can have without a ridiculously overspecified monitor that most images available won't benefit from...
Yeah for professional use of course you want a minimum of 4K, I'm just saying this because apple market this shit to people that basically just use google a lot of the time, and it definitely isn't idiotic to say it is a complete waste of money to buy a 4k + screen for browsing the web... I mean, within 5 years Full HD will be a distant memory and this comment will be void then, but for now a Full HD IPS style screen with a decent refresh rate is good enough for everyday use I think.
Your 2014 machine has a Xeon W proc?
What slays me is the whole "qualified to repair" deal. How stupid do you have to be to not be able to use google? Do they pay these "Geniuses" in actual apples? There is no excuse today for that degree of incompetence, both in the choice of materials on Apple's part AND the morons that "performed the repair". Hell, there are dozens of ways they could have got that screw out without messing up the product that badly.
If you are going to require "certification" for your "techs" to fix things then you need to screen your "geniuses" better and pay them more. If someone that worked for me screwed up a clients system that badly they would be fired on the spot with no severance pay because it would go to buying the client a new system. I have never hired anyone that stupid though so it has never been a problem. The truly scary part is, if this is how badly they messed up a basic mechanical issue how badly do they screw up actual hardware repair?
I am going to hazard a guess here that Apple required them to repair things in an "apple approved" way. As soon as they have to think outside the box, they get scared apple won't approve? How anal retentive do you have to be to require your techs to follow "protocol" even over client satisfaction and quality work?
Yeah, Apple can suck my.......
they are probably not allowed to use google since that would be supporting a competitor lol
because they use safari
This kind of thing doesn't only happen in the tech sector. I had a customer come in to my workplace the other day wanting his £11,000 road bike serviced. His rear brake had seized up and was rubbing on his wheel. When I stripped it out all the screws and mounts were rusty! £11,000 and you still don't get stainless steel or titanium bolts! Needless to say I replaced them with the appropriate stainless bolts, and we now have a new happy customer for the price of a handful of bolts!
"would you trust some one at genius bar with drill? or an power tool?"
FFS I would not trust them even with their own products
Siri just told me Apple Inc. has 246 Billion cash in mostly all off shore accounts. To me 246 Billion is a quarter Trillion. Actually I i'm not even sure how many zeros are in a Trillion, I think 12 zeros.
Inorder to have that much cash, obviously pot metal screws vs grade 8 or SS mounting screws are 100% a necessity along with every other short cut you can do to save money on all Apple products......
I use an iPhone 5s still n my late wife had a iPhone 6s. I could not help notice the off button is on the top of my 5s and my wife's iPhone 6 had it on the same side about the same hight up from the bottom of the phone as mine. To me this is because the iPhone 6 is probably using the same circuit board/componants as my older/cheaper technology iPhone 5s inorder to save BIG BUCKS.
I have not up graded my 5s partialy because I learned how much cash Apple has. If ANY company has 1/4 Trillion dollars, there products need to be Almost Perfect at the least and it sure is NOT. I have re named my smart phone to a Not To Smart Phone just because a name should always be Short and Descriptive and Not To Smart Phone better describs my 5s than smart phoe does. The main reason I have not up graded to a iPhone 8 is because ANY product that costs $800 is clasified as a durable good. Since it obviously is not vary durable since it only lasting two years or so years before it starts havoing a mind of it's own.
Since VW was caught placing cheating code in their products computer brain inorder to make more sales/money. I suspect many corporations that ahve their own programers probably are doing the same, especialy if they have a quarter of a Trillion dollars in profets in the bank......
apple also recently moved to china (after trump lowered taxes, china lowered theirs to 0%, with a catch, and apple took the deal).
so, why not switch to something like one plus?
Apple does not recommend nor authorise non Apple certified steel screws in replacement of genuine zinc IKEA screws in Apple products that are branded Apple but not Apple made therefore Apple holds no responsibility for any Apple or non Apple products. Thankyou, ps you screwed it wrong.
Ikea screws are leaps and bounds better than these are.
using steel screws when screwing into aluminum is not a good idea, as the two metals interact, seizing up the screw over time. Yes, there are ways to combine aluminum threads with steel screws (passivizing the steel, grease, locktide, ...), but using any screw can cause issues. (which is why apple should supply the dam screws with adapter)
What about zinc or nickel screws
sargowie Steel screws are used the same way in aluminum scope mounts.And screwing/unscrewing is rarely a problem there even when you have to tight them so hard to resist gun recoil and stuff like that.And here the guy breaks 3 or 4mm screw with a screwdriver assuming you can't even tight good such screw with a screwdriver.
Raymond Leggs Steel screws can hold like 20kg+ per piece with ease.Why using something else when steel is cheap,reliable and gets the job done.Only a "genius" can aswer to that question.
Toyo Masauce that's lots of screwing 😅
Haha I was waiting for this. I even commented on snazzys video saying that you would love snazzys video .
One of the things I do like about Apple Stores is the sessions where they teach you how to use the devices and all kinds of interesting stuff. I have been to many of them and so I hear a lot of people in the store talking to their friends, other people in the store, or the staff. I just think it is really funny some of the stuff I hear in those stores.
the screw are made out of used cheese
www.apple.com/shop/reviews/MR3C2ZM/A/vesa-mount-adapter-kit-for-imac-pro-space-gray?page=0&rs=highestRated
+John W2008: I've seen used cheese hold up better.
The thing that broke is the cheap ass Apple screws not the vesa mount. The mount looks to be fine, screws do not break in normal use.
Unless they are made of Chinesium, which these most definitely were.
Counterfeit VESA mount!!!! LMFAO, I'm dying right now.
I'm speechless even though I'm not surprised at all coming from this company...
Buy a PC and get Louis to convert it to a Mac by adding a wire to the motherboard.
InsideOfMyOwnMind Don’t be daft.
adam had a apple, and god chucked him out...apple is evil....lol
Papa Sean,s BaNaNaS That was Eve’s fault...
God's a dumb ass, why put the tree there at all? And how the fuck did he NOT KNOW Adam was gonna steal one? Omniscient? PAH! Oh, and Apple sux.
I just want you one time, to put the "Toasty!" guy from MK 2, on your vids. like this in the very begging with the long pause, you could have done that and then said hey everyone! lol. idk woulda been bad ass. Another great vid btw.
I had a cheap screw issue with a $500 computer monitor...the monitor was bad on arrival and one of the 4 screws for the mount sheared off when I was taking it apart to send it back. I had to get the punch and drill bit to get it out. Gotta love it. Anything over a couple of hundred bucks should NEVER have cheap ass screws but there ya go.
Type of shit that makes me not want to buy any apple products. And I'm happy to say I've only ever owned one, but I really want the 2018 iPhone. I miss imessage too damn much. Ill probably wait until it's being sold 3rd party so I don't feed this type of anti-consumer behavior.
+Arbi Daci
Why would you miss imessage? Just emulate iOS it on a Android phone. Or better yet, emulate it on your PC.
What do you mean by emulate? You can't emulate it without a jailbroken iphone. If you mean make it look like imessage, that's not what I want. iMessage is the best messaging app ever made
For what reason lol
What functionality makes it so good? I'm sure someone on android has a messaging app that has mostly copied it's functions by this point.
Last Apple product I bought was a G4 and it just died on me because that was the era when they didn't believe in thermal paste, let alone CPU fans.
Some thoughts. The Apple store 'Genius' was some university grad who spend more time on studying leftist agenda then tech stuff. Have some pity. They got student loan to pay. Not.
Apple or Foxcon do not make all the peripherals. They outsource it to 'someone else', and slap an Apple logo. I've used Chinese made screws. They are decent. The parts maker must have got the cheapest of the cheapest supplier to max the profit. Or there was a con job. The supplier gave good screws, then the screw Apple by giving them bad screws.
I guess epoxied with a plywood would be a stronger mount.
leftist cocks are proven to be larger and harder than any other horse.
I love you Louis, thank you for keeping it real!
Louis, I pass by the Brooklyn shop on my way to the office sometimes as I run an engineering firm by the Gowanus. I have to drop in some time and say hello when you're there. Then we can have a long rant about wet wipes vs dry paper and discuss luxury hotels that comp the minibar.
His comment at 1:02 "your buying it wrong" lmao
"Apple is great at design" hoooooooiiiiiiioooooooooooo I just died xD
I have the the version for the VESA mount adapter for the older aluminum iMac/Thunderbolt Display which also came with a plastic card, etc., and I've removed that one and off dozens of times. It has never broken once. It still fits on there perfectly and can be removed easily.
I was flabbergasted too, but not just by the Applestore clumsiness. You can easily see in Snazzy's video that the screw broke after some turns, effectively loosening the grip. You can see the gap between the mount and the iMac back in the video. So, instead of a reverse drill and/or screw removal tool I would have used a simple jig made out of two fine hacksaw blades, facing each other and joined by one end. This makes for a flat «tweezer» with teeth, fine and sharp enough to grip the screw body shaft and rotate it out of the hole. You don't need a certificate Genius to perform the repair, just some lateral thinking. And yes, replacing the screws is a must.
Glad to see you covered this. Apple really does take the piss.
Hi from England,Louis because of you i now repair my laptops,thank you.
The first stand they make is 1000$
My dad used to work on fixing computers for Fry's Electronics, so I asked my dad about why he thinks why Apple would want their products that end up at the recycle center to be pulverized instead of just fixed. I don't know where he got his information, but he is convinced that apple has a chip installed into every computer that has it's own special code or whatnot that identified that computer separately from any other like it, and that this code from this chip is what makes the "special" security of their products possible. Also, apparently also because they chose this kind of security it makes it near impossible for even Apple to get into your iPhone/Mac to retrieve information without your pass-code/password if you chose to set one.
This sounds like a bogus reason to begin with to me even if it is true that Apple does have a "special" identification chip or whatever they might actually be calling it.
I know nothing about fixing notebook but i like to watch your videos cos they are very satisfying. Why? Because you get shxx fixed! That's why. Awesome.
Louis,, people who like watching 3 minute videos only probably are not subscribed to your channel - We, the true subscribers, watch 2 hour logic board repair videos in one sitting - Kind regards
Best part is, the tel number for support is apples number....but they couldn't help him....cause it is third party....and they couldn't give him the number of the third party company thingy either...lol...
Just imagine hanging your $5000+ machine on these screws!!! BTW...what apple did to snazzy is just outrageous!!!
Great video Louis!!! Keep it up!! U are a role model for us repair guys!!!
You could extrapolate this to when Enzo was on the verge of selling Ferrari to Ford, and all he asked was if they would guarantee that they would never use Ford parts in the Ferraris: Ford said 'no', so Enzo cancelled the deal.
Later on, Fiat came along and saved the day, and Ferrari continues to be 100% Ferrari bits & bobs.