First off, thanks for introducing me to a new influencer with a fresh look on dating. Kezia had my attention for both part one and two. Thoughts of moving to England happened more than once while listening. Second, I definitely paid attention to the friendzone discussion. My friendzone has grown tremendously as I've gotten older. However, it is still incredibly difficult to find a partner. I feel like the ones I'm attracted to are the ones who put me in the friendzone and the ones I'm not attracted to seem like they want to pursue a relationship. This has definitely been a struggle for me. Discussions like this help put it into perspective and give me ideas to try atleast. Thanks!
Thing is, dating and relationships are complicated when you hit 30 or so. I find I just have such little patience for game playing at this point. Plus, I find most women are quite jaded at this point which only adds another layer of difficulty
This discussion is fantastic Kezia loving the vibe you bring. The sentence “Looking for a relationship” makes me run too. Chemistry, moment & free conversation on the field all the way
I enjoyed Kezia speak, but I don’t agree with her idea that men will fall in love quicker if they have sex quicker. That is certainly the case with women. But for men, it is most often the opposite.
I think the narrative of technology and entertainment being a distraction is overblown (from the end of the podcast), at least with respect to men's choices. It's a coping strategy for a dismal situation. The popularity of this type of content is evidence that men - en masse - still desire women. We didn't become an asexual society because of our smart phones. Rather, women's standards and options have risen considerably. Your grandfather wasn't some giga chad of 1950s - he was your grandmother's best option from a limited pool of men.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Who told you that horse shit? It's usually men who want to continue having sex with the woman after a one night stand. Women are more likely to flake.
Interesting interview & good discussion. However, I adamantly disagree with the guest that unattractive, ugly, short guys, etc., can get with attractive women through "game." I'm an unattractive (sub-5 er), short (5-6), in shape (fitness enthusiast), with a decent income, home & ride - and I get rejected in person, on dating apps, on social media, at the gym, etc, by attractive women all the time despite using "game." Attractive women aren't interested in unattractive guys especially short ones when they have so many other options with dating apps & social media. These women are getting hit on hundreds of times a time by desperate, thirsty guys - many of whom are better looking & taller than me. Many of whom have big $$$ to spend on women. Basically in today's world a women is spoiled by choice and if you're not good looking or at least tall (or loaded with money) - you're going to be left out in the cold many times! (I see a lot of unattractive, sometimes down right homely, tall guys with attractive women around the city I live in). This is harsh reality for me to accept & because of it, I'm completely black pill now. Black pill truth can be harsh but at least I know my place in the dating market. 😞
Fully agree. Game used to be more important when less men had it and social media wasn't a factor. It is all about looks and status now. Game can be a tiebreaker when 2 roughly equal looking guys are pursuing a woman but that's about it.
@@Krelian4400 lol it was never important. Society has gaslighted men into believing they are unworthy of love, so when we get any attention from an average girl after 100s of failure, it “must be the game”. When in reality, thats how it should’ve been normally …. i.e. average men getting attention from average women.
I see beautiful women with ugly men all the time. Game is way more important than looks. Take a good look around you. The majority of good looking women will have boyfriends who are average/below average looking. I see it all the time.
The friendzone is just a place women put men they are not attracted to. It has nothing to do with your approach, your personality, your game. The only way out is if you get better looking or her own looks decline.
Yeah, your comment shows you don't know what you're talking about and have no game. Any particular woman might friend zone any particular guy. If you want to be an orbiter around her, that's up to you. If not, disengage. But if you get friend zoned all the time, it's probably because you have no game and don't know how to escalate. If you don't do so within the first ten minutes, you're pretty much considered neutered and a "nice guy." Normally, you need to escalate with some class within the first two minutes, preferably first 30 seconds, or a girl is edging you that way, at least in a social setting.
At these two hosts don't get us, if you wind up in an LTR, there has to be attraction to start with. Either man or woman, you don't have to plan on sleeping together the first night. You can be attracted, and show attraction, but delay the bedroom until you reach the point you're ready to progress to that.
It may be semantics, and if so, I apologize. But if I misunderstood, others probably did as well. First, your body language and tone changed during the interview, as if aghast that Ms. Noble teaches men how to create attraction with women. If two individuals want to have a sexual relationship quickly, certainly there has to be attraction. BUT, if two people want to go more slowly and get to the point of believing it's turning into a LTR, it MUST ALSO build attraction from the start. That does NOT mean two people have to jump into bed together the first night, or even third or fourth date. They're adults. They have free will. But, as I took it, you didn't like the idea of creating attraction, or chemistry. Well, without it, a man will be friend zoned if the chemistry isn't there within the first ten minutes, max. Ask any man. Now, personally, I've advised young men to be HIGHLY selective about where they put their ... Woo-woo. I've been married a long time to a sensational woman. But if I were single, I'M qualifying HER. If she doesn't make the cut, adieu. There are lots of beautiful women in the world. It's a given, or perquisite, that any woman I would sleep with is going to be very attractive to stunning. What else do they have? Looks alone aren't enough. By the same token, any woman of the quality I'm interested in, is going to want to be around enough to decide she wants to go to bed with me. If there is no escalation or sexual attraction, what happens? You say, "Nice to meet you, I have to go." How many times have either of you met somebody where the end result was something like, "yeah, that person knows a lot about paint colors. Wonder what's on TV? What? No, I don't remember their name." You think that builds a relationship that eventually turns into something? Maybe it would be better explained role playing, if Miss Emily wanted to try it here.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Let me put it simpler. If there is no attraction to start with, there is no second encounter, or first date. That doesn't mean you have to jump in bed until both are ready
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast I watched several of your videos. I agree with you about 90% of the way. Where I disagree is kind of the same as I do versus the hard-core "red pill" community. The RP videos are great at educating clueless boys and men, at least those who listen. Let's be honest, the reason so many men have bailed on dating is that such a large percentage of women are carelessly mean, to absolutely horrible. And society and laws automatically take the side of often-lying, vicious witches. RP generally says "if you are stupid enough to get in a relationship or married, wait until you're 35, 45, or 50+..." In one of your videos, you essentially said, and I paraphrase, "Yeah, when you're young, boys are SOL. But don't worry, if you make some money, you can likely date younger girls when you're 35+..." Let me break this list up to explain why I disagree.
I like this girl but her "get out of the friendzone" advice I don't like. Maybe you can make it work but most likely it's a waste of time. Guys, if you're in the friendzone, you need to do two things. #1 Realize that women don't put men in the friendzone. Men put themselves in the friendzone. #2 Forget about her. Find someone else.
oh yeah, this "suddenly become less available" crap. I hear that from everyone, and I simply don't work that way. I also don't like that bragging about other girls, that just feels sketchy.
Kezia has such great insight and I hope she returns for future topics. Thank you both for another excellent discussion!
Great Broadcast. Amazing how much you all squeezed in to such a short Space of time
First off, thanks for introducing me to a new influencer with a fresh look on dating. Kezia had my attention for both part one and two. Thoughts of moving to England happened more than once while listening.
Second, I definitely paid attention to the friendzone discussion. My friendzone has grown tremendously as I've gotten older. However, it is still incredibly difficult to find a partner. I feel like the ones I'm attracted to are the ones who put me in the friendzone and the ones I'm not attracted to seem like they want to pursue a relationship. This has definitely been a struggle for me. Discussions like this help put it into perspective and give me ideas to try atleast. Thanks!
Thanks for the comment!
She’s after your wallet. Don’t believe her bs
Thing is, dating and relationships are complicated when you hit 30 or so. I find I just have such little patience for game playing at this point. Plus, I find most women are quite jaded at this point which only adds another layer of difficulty
This discussion is fantastic Kezia loving the vibe you bring. The sentence “Looking for a relationship” makes me run too. Chemistry, moment & free conversation on the field all the way
Don’t hire her or listen to her bs
She is here to scam the hopeless
I enjoyed Kezia speak, but I don’t agree with her idea that men will fall in love quicker if they have sex quicker. That is certainly the case with women. But for men, it is most often the opposite.
I think the narrative of technology and entertainment being a distraction is overblown (from the end of the podcast), at least with respect to men's choices.
It's a coping strategy for a dismal situation.
The popularity of this type of content is evidence that men - en masse - still desire women. We didn't become an asexual society because of our smart phones.
Rather, women's standards and options have risen considerably. Your grandfather wasn't some giga chad of 1950s - he was your grandmother's best option from a limited pool of men.
But look at how many women these days have a one night stand and then ghost the guy afterwards.
It’s mostly men who do that. Most men these days can’t get a one night stand
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Who told you that horse shit? It's usually men who want to continue having sex with the woman after a one night stand. Women are more likely to flake.
Women are definitely more likely to flake but Chads are more likely to “smash and dash”
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Which you have zero evidence for.
Excellent interview.
Quickest way to get out of the friend zone- don't go there in the first place. Long game=Beta Game.
Good point!
Interesting interview & good discussion. However, I adamantly disagree with the guest that unattractive, ugly, short guys, etc., can get with attractive women through "game." I'm an unattractive (sub-5 er), short (5-6), in shape (fitness enthusiast), with a decent income, home & ride - and I get rejected in person, on dating apps, on social media, at the gym, etc, by attractive women all the time despite using "game." Attractive women aren't interested in unattractive guys especially short ones when they have so many other options with dating apps & social media. These women are getting hit on hundreds of times a time by desperate, thirsty guys - many of whom are better looking & taller than me. Many of whom have big $$$ to spend on women. Basically in today's world a women is spoiled by choice and if you're not good looking or at least tall (or loaded with money) - you're going to be left out in the cold many times! (I see a lot of unattractive, sometimes down right homely, tall guys with attractive women around the city I live in). This is harsh reality for me to accept & because of it, I'm completely black pill now. Black pill truth can be harsh but at least I know my place in the dating market. 😞
I agree with you that in today’s market looks are way more important than game. Having high status is the only exception. Thanks for the comment bro.
The age pill is the worst of them. And the biggest of scams
Fully agree. Game used to be more important when less men had it and social media wasn't a factor. It is all about looks and status now. Game can be a tiebreaker when 2 roughly equal looking guys are pursuing a woman but that's about it.
@@Krelian4400 lol it was never important. Society has gaslighted men into believing they are unworthy of love, so when we get any attention from an average girl after 100s of failure, it “must be the game”. When in reality, thats how it should’ve been normally …. i.e. average men getting attention from average women.
I see beautiful women with ugly men all the time. Game is way more important than looks. Take a good look around you. The majority of good looking women will have boyfriends who are average/below average looking. I see it all the time.
I feel like a lot of her advice is toxic and game playing
The friendzone is just a place women put men they are not attracted to. It has nothing to do with your approach, your personality, your game. The only way out is if you get better looking or her own looks decline.
Yeah, your comment shows you don't know what you're talking about and have no game.
Any particular woman might friend zone any particular guy. If you want to be an orbiter around her, that's up to you. If not, disengage.
But if you get friend zoned all the time, it's probably because you have no game and don't know how to escalate. If you don't do so within the first ten minutes, you're pretty much considered neutered and a "nice guy."
Normally, you need to escalate with some class within the first two minutes, preferably first 30 seconds, or a girl is edging you that way, at least in a social setting.
Her advice seems very manipulative
At these two hosts don't get us, if you wind up in an LTR, there has to be attraction to start with.
Either man or woman, you don't have to plan on sleeping together the first night. You can be attracted, and show attraction, but delay the bedroom until you reach the point you're ready to progress to that.
What don’t we get? We encourage people to not get sexual until there is a connection
It may be semantics, and if so, I apologize. But if I misunderstood, others probably did as well.
First, your body language and tone changed during the interview, as if aghast that Ms. Noble teaches men how to create attraction with women.
If two individuals want to have a sexual relationship quickly, certainly there has to be attraction.
BUT, if two people want to go more slowly and get to the point of believing it's turning into a LTR, it MUST ALSO build attraction from the start.
That does NOT mean two people have to jump into bed together the first night, or even third or fourth date. They're adults. They have free will.
But, as I took it, you didn't like the idea of creating attraction, or chemistry. Well, without it, a man will be friend zoned if the chemistry isn't there within the first ten minutes, max. Ask any man.
Now, personally, I've advised young men to be HIGHLY selective about where they put their ... Woo-woo. I've been married a long time to a sensational woman. But if I were single, I'M qualifying HER.
If she doesn't make the cut, adieu. There are lots of beautiful women in the world. It's a given, or perquisite, that any woman I would sleep with is going to be very attractive to stunning. What else do they have? Looks alone aren't enough.
By the same token, any woman of the quality I'm interested in, is going to want to be around enough to decide she wants to go to bed with me.
If there is no escalation or sexual attraction, what happens? You say, "Nice to meet you, I have to go." How many times have either of you met somebody where the end result was something like, "yeah, that person knows a lot about paint colors. Wonder what's on TV? What? No, I don't remember their name."
You think that builds a relationship that eventually turns into something?
Maybe it would be better explained role playing, if Miss Emily wanted to try it here.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Let me put it simpler. If there is no attraction to start with, there is no second encounter, or first date.
That doesn't mean you have to jump in bed until both are ready
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast Sorry, I don't think my first explanation was addressed to you. My apologies.
@@theemilyandtoddpodcast I watched several of your videos. I agree with you about 90% of the way. Where I disagree is kind of the same as I do versus the hard-core "red pill" community.
The RP videos are great at educating clueless boys and men, at least those who listen. Let's be honest, the reason so many men have bailed on dating is that such a large percentage of women are carelessly mean, to absolutely horrible. And society and laws automatically take the side of often-lying, vicious witches.
RP generally says "if you are stupid enough to get in a relationship or married, wait until you're 35, 45, or 50+..."
In one of your videos, you essentially said, and I paraphrase, "Yeah, when you're young, boys are SOL. But don't worry, if you make some money, you can likely date younger girls when you're 35+..."
Let me break this list up to explain why I disagree.
I like this girl but her "get out of the friendzone" advice I don't like. Maybe you can make it work but most likely it's a waste of time.
Guys, if you're in the friendzone, you need to do two things. #1 Realize that women don't put men in the friendzone. Men put themselves in the friendzone. #2 Forget about her. Find someone else.
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oh yeah, this "suddenly become less available" crap. I hear that from everyone, and I simply don't work that way. I also don't like that bragging about other girls, that just feels sketchy.
This is a sad sad woman
She's ran out of money
Bullshit
Bullshit