Analysis: Villains in the FGC and eSports
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What makes a villain in the FGC, and is it a good or bad thing? Gerald analyzes how villains affect competitive gaming.
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Just because you're a "bad guy", Doesn't mean you are a "bad" guy.
Jongsoo Yoon That's some Zangief level insight there!
Oh really?
Zangief speaks the truth
Jongsoo Yoon
Iiiiiaaaammm a baaaaad guuuuuuyyy (yuh)
Doodoo, dododo dolodo
Unless youre ltg lol
he forgot to mention, after that rap video, leffen beat chillin 5-0. and chillin's response: "my b"
Andrew Anderson did leffen ever lose?
A lot actually, but that's the nature of fighting games: no matter how good you are, it's darn near impossible to NOT lose. Hell there's a reason there's 5 gods instead 1 "the GOD", because all five regularly beat each other.
As a caveat I will mention there was a period of time where Armada (one of the five gods) was so dominant he looked unbeatable. There was also people calling him the one true god
jack90054 to be fair there is zero who for the period of a year was the indisputable best at smash 4 being undefeated for 53 tournaments in a row
Liam Foote and in the past you had Ken who was well above everyone else's level. But obviously at that time the game was a relative infant as far as competitive games go
The first 'villain' I met during my time with the FGC was with FChamp in '09.
It was back in the days of Vanilla SFIV and I was a new and upcoming player that was invited to a local. I lived in Sacramento, CA at the time, and people were talking about other people from other areas of Nor-Cal coming to this local as well. It was then I heard a name drop. "Man, FChamp and a few others from the Bay are also coming over." As a new player, not knowing who 'FChamp' was, I looked him up real quick. From all what I could tell, he was a trash talker, which at the time threw me into a loop. I'm not used to actually seeing someone like this.
So, when the time came, and the local started, seeing him person made me nervous. I don't know how to react if I get trash talked to. I know I'm new, so any trash talk about me would make me quit this game. Even through the nervousness though, I shuffled my way to him and asked him if he was willing to play a casual game. He laughed, and said yes. I personally was happy, even after getting rekted by his Boxer. After that casual, he talked to me on how to get better since he could also tell that I was new to the FGC, and that made me want to start playing more and more.
To this day, I would like to support FChamp because I personally know that he plays the 'villain' so people will get invested into the FGC more.
Not all villains are inherently evil. You just need to understand them better.
~Saka
+sakabato24 Yeah, it's hard to know someone until you've actually met them in person a bunch.
It's like, this is what happens when you mix entertainment, with a competitive sport, that audience members can very potentially compete in, and easily meet, "the characters"...who are also competitors. It's kind of unique to competitive games I think. And I think it might be most common with fighting games.
***** Sorry no hahaha. It's Kisaragi Chihaya from the iDOLM@STER series cosplaying as a cat hahaha.
+sakabato24 Ryan is a nice guy, honestly. You just have to really let him run his mouth to whoever, just learn from everyone. You don't have to engage, and stay neutral in the silliness. Learn from your mistakes, if someone talks trash, just smile and walk away. Just remember that a true opponent will be impressed with themselves and further surprised that they won. Just remember to never shut down. If they get a perfect, that's your fault too. Be humble.
That is their ego, and somewhere their insecurity-- you can improve, they think they're flawless most of the time; with that, you can definitely learn how to develop the different styles of your play. Become a student of the game and its cast, once you get a comfort for all the mechanics and start to understand the unique qualities of each character. Know where those characters shine, and you can begin to deconstruct them with whatever character(s) you choose. Learn the ins and outs of the game, frame data, hurt/hit boxes, etc. You will then have everything ready, so long as you keep your execution, footsies, whiff punishes, and max damage punishes (whiffed shoryuken getting grab punished is not optimal); and you'll then be able to destroy your locals. Just remember you're at a local, not a major. Make friends in your scene, develop with them.
+sakabato24 He Itachi'd you?
Good villain: Filipino Champ
Clown: LTG
Pretty much
pokchop Issa kewl villain in Tekken
Hehe magagaling na kontrabida ang mga yan tolz. 😃👍
LOSERS BRACKET GOX!!!
If im not wrong i think fchamp shit talks and gets people mad because thats what hes trying to do but he isnt an actual bad human being (as in an actual cancerous hatebag)
This is not the case with ltg lol
The fun trashtalk is when both of them know there not being serious but everyone else thinks they are.
Smug VS Nuckledu EVERY DAMN TIME I LOSE MY SHIT
Pokchop vs Real Law
I think good trashtalk is somewhat both serious yet not serious
Good trashtalk's intention should be to get your opponent to take it seriously but the words also shouldnt come from a real crazy delusional belief
@@Rex-golf_player810 Nah, good trash-talk's intention is to get the hypes up and boost the viewership for ultimately more profit. It's how every professional sport works.
@@leoren5128 well yeah but i was talking from a taunting standpoint
low tier god would be considered a clown. right?
Of course.
Dro Torres yep he basically described him
The clown fraud.
He reminds me of DarkSydePhil.
WHAT YOU SAY SCRUB ?! GET THAT ASS BANNED !
"My B" -Chillindude829
RIP we never saw him again
No he now speed runs super Mario 64
@@paulakroy2635 a more storied history in mario 64 speedrunning than in melee now lmao
"You can do this by beating women" startled me unexpectedly lol.
Same lol
He’s not wrong though being an abuser does get people to hate you pretty quickly.
"You can do this by beating women"
"If beat opponents who are smaller and weaker than you"
Simps: REEEEEEEE
"You can also do this by beating women". I kind of lost it 😂
"you can become a villain without trashtalking and JUST winning a lot"
i smell hbox
hbox didn't trashtalk but he did more than just win. He was (by his own admission) kind of nasty offscreen and would hit on people's girlfriends and refuse to play friendlies with anyone, and this is on top of being a "lame" player. The community absolutely was and is unfair to him but you gotta realize that this isn't a simple narrative.
@@TheStrangeBloke It's a pretty simple narrative, especially since none of his behavior was illegal, even if it was shady. "Man cheats on girlfriend" should be a private affair between the specific people involved, and f he wasn't a top player who played 'lame' it would have been.
@@i_marcus_quintus Hbox played lame, won a lot, cheated on his gf, AND was an asshole off camera. I can produce videos where he admits to (in the past) aggressively flirting with every woman in the venue and being an asshole to his fans. Any one of these issues would have earned him some hate, but together they formed the perfect storm. In the end he has received far, far more hate than he actually deserves but its still incorrectto say that he won a lot and did nothing else wrong.
@@TheStrangeBloke I, too, watched his apology video. And my thoughts were "Why do I need to know that Hbox cheated on his girlfriend?"
@@i_marcus_quintus its not just that. It's also being an ass to fans and making random women uncomfortable by flirting at them when they didn't want it.
"If you keep trash talking, but don't ever win, you become what's known as a clown."
Missed an opportunity to show a picture of LTG here.
Fun Fact: Wile E. Coyote actually *did* eventually catch the Road Runner. But he ended up letting him go.
Maybe he knew that killing the road runner would actually leave his life meaningless.
Sorry for aged reply, but sauce?
@@jakezepeda1267 That, and the Roadrunner's "sad puppy" eyes, are what made him let the Roadrunner go.
P.S. Leffen, I ain't done yet.
I'm the underdog, so place your bets
+The Victator Who ever wants to see Leffen looking dumb
+Unraveled gotta say bro, you lookin awfully weak
+ImKylin my b
AwYeahMJ YOU KILLED IT
Low Tier Fraud. Nuff said
+Allan Caesar But he can't win, so he doesn't even make it to villain status. Dude gets bodied in person and online constantly.
+Allan Caesar He needs to win sometimes to be considered a villain. Trash talk without results just makes him a clown.
+Allan Caesar Everyone calls him fraud because he's a joke. Definitely not a villain.
+Kwyjibo O_o I think he's considered as a villain think about it, the times where he threatens people like viscant, pikachuakuma, free gucci, infiltration(maybe), bigblack. and boogie2988.
don't forget that asswipe has fans that are braindead like him
+Dope Dante Yeah but he sucks. Villains are a threat to the hero. LTG isn't a threat, as he's proven over and over. He's just a scrub with a really big mouth.
The title of "villain" is very subjective and depends on the values of the community. A great example is hungrybox. In melee, he is seen as the worst of the worst and the reason why the scene is dying because he plays jigglypuff. The community has grown to expect melee to be fast and reaction heavy and the current highest profile player playing a slow character will not fly. In ultimate, the community is much younger and not as well defined. Because of the massive roster, players are generally more open to different playstyles. In that scene, hungrybox is seen as the old timer that just likes to have fun, and is even respected for playing jigglypuff.
Joker is not a clown. He won TDK, Batman and Gordon were just butthurt and decided to cheat.
That's why Core-A referred to him specifically as a subversion of the "clown" archetype. He's both a figurative and literal wild card in the whole conflict, who didn't play by the unwritten rules of the other mafia criminals. For good to triumph over villainy in this case, Batman and Gordon also had to bend the rules of justice to stop the Joker.
You do realize that was just a joke on he's an actual clown, right?
He wears clown make-up y'all. It was a joke.
"You can also become a villain by beating women" right after showing infiltration
"You are bad guy, but that does not you bad guy"
-Zangief
The quote is "You are bad guy, but that does not mean you are bad guy."
i was thinking about leffen the entire time lmao
Leffen, the DIO of smash
GAME PRO24X MUDA DA
lol try using the translate button, great results
Hotline San Francisco Chillindude
Leffen had a Sasuke redemption arc and now Hungrybox is the Freeza of Smash.
GAME PRO24X
KONO DIO DA
I'm glad you made that exception at the end there. It's important to make the distinction between the (cartoon) 'villains' and the actual scumbags.
I love villains as they bring the thing we all need but never want to be: A bad guy (not a bad person but more like a character you make up). They bring something that makes the community passionate even if before they weren't at all.
They are your spices to your already good food and make it better, without it then it could be pretty bland.
“Are they bad people in real life?” *shows picture of infiltration*
There's this one guy that kept insulting me for maining Shadow Dio in Jojo: HFTF, and every time he saw me in the same discord channel, he berated me without stopping.
The worst part?
He didn't even play the game anymore.
Damn that's sad
Look at it this way:
All bark, and no bite.
Shadow Dio isn't even that great right?
@@KingOfDarknessAndEvil not really. He's not bad though, he's quite easy
I became a villain during my school's Smash Ultimate tournaments. I mained Little Mac, and the moment the announcer said GO I would rush and start having Mac swing for the fences like I was trying to punch a hole through my opponent. The funny part was the "villainous" part of my persona was how terrifying and serious I got when I started playing. Normally during school, I'd have a smile on my face and joke around with people. Put me in a competitive scenario like the smash tournament, I go dead silent, lurch forward to better focus on the screen and have a blank look on my face. Like a switch just flipped in my head and I knew it was go time.
I was less like an overtly evil villain, I was more like a monster from a horror movie because I went for the quick kill after the round begins.
I got two full stock wins, and by the time I graduated I told the students of the middle and school population (we were a k-12 so the grades intermingled) to keep the smash legacy going.
Dang
Lawful Good (Heroes, Legends, never trash talked or at least few times, always focus on the game and produce legendary moments): *Daigo, Mew2king*
Neutral Good (Heroes and trash talk): *Viscant, Mango*
Chaotic Good (Heroes but gets beat by villains): *Chillindude*
Lawful Neutral (Got mixed receptions from the crowd but close to heroes): *KBrad, Chris G, Smug*
True Neutral: (Mixed reception from the crowd): *most of the people who are part of FGC*
Chaotic Neutral: (lower class evils, basically neutrals who are close to become evil): *Gllty*
Lawful Evil: (The best and main villains: Feared and respected villains) *FChamp*
Neutral Evil: (Two types: Those who are Feared and Hated, but actually win a LOT or non popular lawful evils): *Punk, Leffen, NuckleDu*
Chaotic Evil: (Hated with a passion: people can't stand them and get pissed just by seeing their names in a tournament or winning) *Low Tier God, Wolfkrone, DSP*
you can complete who fit these categories.
hey, that's pretty good
In Tekken there’s so many who don’t trash talk. One of everyone’s favorites to watch though is Lil Majin. He has camera charisma
Fortune is a chaotic evil. I hate that match.
@GilArcher Agreed.
Lawful good also smug
These videos have such high production quality. Keep em up you're doing an amazing job!
I was considered a villian in my small smash community in town because of my uncanny skill to lose a ton once my friends learned how to beat me with a character, and then switch to a diffrent character and body them with diffrent fighting tactics. They all said that I only ever fought them with my mini mains and that I hadn't pulled out my real main yet.
Wow I haven't seen a single "smash isn't a real fighting game yet" for a video about villains, this is one of the least toxic comments sections I've ever seen on an fax video
because it's the street fighter community. we don't care. I don't get the whole rivet between smash 4 and melee. they're not in the same series
Smash is gay.
Found the guys that need a healthbar to play.
@@nilefly did the term toxic become a meme in 2018 or something
@@jasonday5143 and cant turn their back on their opponents
Marn is the FGC's biggest villain, both in infamy and mass.
+Lusty Scripps marn had to be THE biggest heel during the early sf4 days. i can't think of anyone that got more hate than he did at that time. every match of his that got streamed nearly everybody who was chatting wanted him to lose
+RoyStorey He kinda redeemed himself when he took out Chris G at Evo.
Levi Skardsen yeah he doesn't get as much dislike now, it died down when he went AWOL for a while
+RoyStorey it's so crazy to think how much things have changed since then, he's hardly on anyone's radar anymore. You know you're pretty much FGC history when your entire personality is made into a parody character in a game consisting solely of fighting game and FGC parodies. I wonder who the go-to villain in the FGC would be now if another game like Divekick was made.
lazierbeam I'm thinking it would be Chris G, Flux or Filipino Champ.
Villian stories? My entire experience with Smash 4 For Glory.
MrNeo lmao
Watching this video after Leffen went a total heel-face turn and is now one of the most proactive and supportive (although in his own very leffen and vocal way) supporters of the community is amazing. I liked him as a villain, he's my favorite player to watch, but his new anti-hero wildcard persona is even more awesome
"Oh - You're a very bad man!"
"Oh, no my dear. I'm a very good man. I'm just a very bad wizard"
Patrick 'Aches' Price from the Call of Duty eSports Scene is the biggest example of an eSports heel done very well.
The rare kind of heel that makes even hardened veterans in his own league be filled with dread and at the same time, having a grudging respect.
I believe the word you're looking for is "heel".
Wrestling fans will know.
He says that near the end 6:58
LMAO DID HE SERIOUSLY PUT THE LEFFEN DISS TRACK IN THIS
Niqqa why you here?
Let us go to Yoshi’s story.
Marth v Fox is 60-40
Marn will forever be my favorite villain. The fact that he used Dudley when i was at my own peak, made it all the sweeter when he'd body people. A villainous gentleman.
Then Smug came along and my life... was complete.
I’ve got a villain story. This one was at smash 4 tournament that was organized at my school. It was pretty impromptu, i kinda signed up and went during my lunch period.
So I get there and the guy who was setting the tournament set up a bracket for everyone and people began to play.
The first feud came when people were picking controllers. As some of these people were here for fun, they didn’t have a controller. I didn’t bring one because I didn’t even know there was a tourney today, so nobody had their own controllers. The organizer brought a whole bunch of of them but he wasn’t willing to share some of them, namely the GameCube controllers. He had 2 but didn’t want us playing with them. I got stuck with game pad. That’s not so bad, but considering the option was there I would preferred it.
So I move up in the ranks. I was probably the best player there. Not because I’m some smash god, I’ve just had more experience. Most of these people were just picking up smash.
So I make it to the finals and I’m playing toon link against a link. And this is where the organizer really began antagonizing.
He kept yelling into my ear “you suck. You’re trash.” Which really got to my head. He said I was
“Not playing his main correctly.” (I was playing dedede before)
I ended up losing. I gg’d and left shortly after talking with a few of the other people who didn’t understand the game’s mechanics.
The organizer then went on to beat the champion, and win in an 8 play smash.
Needless to say I was angry. I was glad I kept my cool though. At least the other people were cool, and complimenting me rather than saying I sucked.
All I gotta say is that none of these guys have had a crab thrown at them
Worst villain ever.
That big brother who beats you in a game.
another way to be a villain in my opinion is to play in a way that makes people think you're playing the game wrong, but win anyway.
an example of this would be hungrybox, playing a "lame" slow character (specifically jigglypuff) in a game considered by its audience to be the epitome of hype and fast pace. except there is the fact that he was too successful for his own good, ending up unironically hated outside of the game by many, as far as I can tell.
People were fine with his style until he started to consitently win. They treated mang0 the same when he won with puff.
@@vDeadbolt yeah, people get angry when you play "wrong" and win, and for many players, playing puff = playing wrong
Being a kid, you root for the hero. Being an adult, you root for the villain.
Ok, I'll trust the guy with a megaman profile picture
liquidpebbles
Wrong. My profile picture isn't from Megaman. Secondly, I guess being 20 years old is considered being a kid.
S. Lei cant agree more
I've been rooting for the villains since I hit my teen years. Nowadays, I'm kinda neutral, though.
I've been rooting for villains my entire childhood that I kinda got tired of it XD
Something I like about the FGC is how they often will refer to top-tier players as "gods."
It's cute.
Kinda sucks that the tekken tournament dosent have any trash talking aside from pokchop.
Theyre there just not all out in the open. People like filipino champ are just dicks. Tekken people keep it amongst each other.
and no one watches tekken XD kind of one of the points that was being made is that a villian increases views.
No one in Tekken needs to trash talk because Aris does it all for them. lol
Kiizenn Bronson Tran?
MegaKhalid121 Bronson tran, pokchop. Knee is kind of a villain in his own right, but that's only applies to Korea. In korea people think that he is a dick and generally route more for jdcr.
I know this is an old video, but the Filipino Champ vs KaneBlueRiver rivalry in MVC3 was something to put in the spotlight. Was like an anime arc. FC humiliating KBR, and the next day KBR slapping FC ass, with the whole crowd cheering on his back.
One of the funniest arcs in the FGC history IMO.
Awesome vid brothah!! I will never forget that fight night with Crack and Tommy... Hypeness at its finest.
Love your vids man.
+Core-A Gaming haa really!? The honor is all mine. Hopefully one day we can collab.
+Ernesto Lopez Jr stop flirting god damn it
+Anthony Nguyen Crack I already told you!! You're my main ONLY when I'm in Cali. Otherwise im gonna see other people. #freakflaggottafly
+★ Star™ ★ lmao... you got it!! but I get to stream it all
"no one in the real world is as 2 dimensionally evil as this guy"
Remaining Koch brother: * exists *
Harrison Lane
I hate that statement
I think an interesting and related topic is how villains can become heros and heroes villains. For example, early on in his career, the Melee player Mango was actually seen as something of a villain, especially on the East Coast, due to being nearly as cocky as Leffen and winning everything for over a year. But now, he's the biggest face in the community by a landslide. I guess this raised the aspect of charisma; some have the kind that makes you love them no matter what (Mango), the kind that makes you love to hate them (Leffen) and those that just kind of lack it altogether (Hungrybox).
Agreed except for hbox, I feel like most uncharismatic people don’t make a career out of live entertainment that depends so heavily on their personality being interesting (streaming).
DSP is a clown, because he trash talks and acts like he's still good at fighting games when all he does is blame lag
Mr_Beezlebub well, *he says these things to make people laugh,* not to specifically hurt or intimidate anyone like the people in the video. So, yes, between a villain and a clown, *he is a clown. He's a comedian.*
As usual, Great production value and analysis of the topic. you do a great job on highlighting these topics by brining multiple communities together. I've watched all your vids man. Keep up the great work!
+StrangerDanger Thanks man!
Chillin is the hero we need in more esports communities
Chillin isn't a hero. He was a desperate failure at trying to be one.
Chillin is a hero-clown
Cyrekt The closest thing to a real hero in that situation was Mango when he said he'd put $1000 on the line if he and Leffen met in bracket... and he still lost.
Chillin is a Chaotic Good
Plup is our hero my b
Yo do a story on Leffen. I know he had a spotlight in the vid, but him and Melee are a fucking goldmine of glory.
So basically a villain in the FGC is the equivalent to a wrestling heel?
basically, yeah
+Tyler Knox This is what I tell people.
+Tyler Knox A pretty apt comparison considering the crazy amount of wrestling marks that are in the FGC
+Tyler Knox Only legit villains work to get the audience hyped for their matches. Outside those though, anyone who still behaves inappropriately are just toxic.
There's really nothing toxic about it actually. It keeps things interesting.
I became a villain at a local for smash ultimate, a good chunk of people were tier whores who got mad at me beating ikes, lucina's and palutena using only pit. I lost to a hardcore zelda main and it was hype and fun. I'll gladly play a villain if I fight someone like that
4:50 "you can also do this by beating women"
HAHAHA THE NOEL BROWN BLOWUP ULL
Villains can make it really fun when they happen I do have to admit. Even if there's no flat out villains (And it could be argued that it's sort exaggerated for fun most of the time), a bit of salt and beef is whats given this scene its flavor compared to other competitive gaming scenes. If it gets too sterile it just feels like there's something missing.
I do have some beef though, with calling people who win too much "villains" just because they win all the time and become the guy to beat, regardless of whether they're a really nice guy or not. But I know that's a distinct (and relatively common) frustration people eventually get with someone who just becomes too predictable in their winnings, and I guess I can't really think of another word for it; but it still always seemed a bit angry mob of scrubs to me to think of someone as a villain just because people can't beat them.
But damn, Naniwa. I didn't really watch Starcraft 2 so I had no idea something that dramatic had been going on there (And to a player as experienced as Nestea even I've heard of him.). Kind of makes me wish I had been watching the game around that time to have experienced that.
I'm surprised he didn't at all mention the entire concept of a heel used in wrestling.
In my city there's a place called Game Room, where gamers meet to either play board games, socialize and- of course- play games. They have many pcs, ps4s, xboxes etc set up aswell as a nintendo switch lounge and some other stuff to play around with. 2 years ago, a friend of mine managed to get a surprising amount of people to play warsow, an arena shooter similar to quake 3 thats free2play and runs on every single potato pc. So we started to have some competitions and on our best days we got 26 people to have duels against each other until one player stands as a winner. About a year into that whole warsow scene we started, a 17 y old unknown dude came along and seemed pretty interested. We gave him te game on a usb stick and he started to practice warsow religiously. Soon he started to get onto really high rankings, like at least 4th place on every competition. Many younger players looked up to him, many started to play BECAUSE of him, and he was just a great player overall. The thing was, he was a pretty evil, though hyped up villain. He talked LOTS of trash, but always against players he knew he would beat. He was still being celebrated by many other players, until THAT day. There was a competition where he only got 2nd place, and he seemingly got very angry. He said things he shouldnt've said and challenged the actual winner to a revenge-match. Noone seemed to care he used such offensive speech and the event got hyped up even more, to the point where there would be about 35 people coming to the game room, the day of the duel. At first he had a great run, but he still lost because he couldnt keep his temper down. He got even angrier than before, tried to physically attack and harm the way more obese and obviously physically weaker winner of the duel until me and other people stopped him. He started saying things noone should ever say to anyone and their parents, he got banned from the shop, never came back, never returned some games he borrowed from people he knew at the game room and just left an overall weird atmosphere. After that day, noone seemed to care about the game anymore, the dry aftertaste of his loss made everyone stop playing warsow and the story of our first and only ever "competitive" scene we had in my city died out. A real villain he was, but not one every great story needs. So kids, always play fair and never be a bad loser and a funkiller. You'll just make a huge fool out of yourself and probably lose friends along the way.
Can I say Gobu at Red Bull Kumite? Gobu-Lewis?
Maaaaaan, when he came up n out with his Goldlewis during the finals I SWEAR, every move he made, everything he did felt illegal XD
And he was REVELLING IN IT! He made such incredible faces pre-match and when he was playing, and the _glare_ he gave when he lost one was just, astounding in the midst of it all, proceeding to end the night with the greatest phrase in the context, (in Japanese, lol):
"This. Is. *BEHEMOTH.* " B)
I was initially there just to hear the announcement for the newest Guilty Gear Strive character at the time, (Happy Chaos!! I love him!), but after all that, I'm damn well inclined to watch even more live ones, it was amazing :D
My friend Ronilo (whom you've actually used footage from) had a sort of rival whom he beat in a tournament and it was some kind of big deal. But then later, the same guy challenged him in a match outside of a tournament, but under a different name. Ronilo had a day and just wanted to play a round to unwind, wasn't really taking the match seriously, and lost. No big deal... until the guy advertised the recorded match as like some kind of big rematch. I'm not sure if he used some kind of trick to make his name appear different either to Ronilo or in the recording, but it was a really cowardly way of getting a rematch that wasn't even supposed to be a rematch.
Clown: LOW
TIER
GOD
I got a villan history in fighting games, about me actually. I was good playing Mortal Kombat X with both Scorpion and Jason, and i had a small group of people that liked playing fighting games together. We did play some Street Fighter, but always when we switch to MK, the objective changed about beating someone and the loser trade the controller, to beat the final boss at the game that was me. It usually went down with me winning a ton of matches, and whenever i let someone win or someone defeated me, everyone begin to jump and cheer the one that defeated me. Yes, everyone wanted me to lose, but i liked it. Being the "final boss" in a FG brings so much good moments like this and we sure did have a lot of good moments and laughs
A friend of mine was was the villian of my local smash community because while he didn't trash talk too much, he won everything. But not only did he win everything, he did it with rosaluma.
That was a sudden ass transition “...you can also do it by beating women...”
Man, I remember when I was into SC2, the best part was seeing Idra rage.
Doi in the JoJo HFTF community. He was such a villain (although really he was a clown) that he eventually just disappeared and no one knows where he went.
Just recently got into the FGC and I'm loving your videos! I hope you are still bringing more out !
I remember one time i was hanging out with leffen before one of his tournaments. (which he won by the way) we were outside of the venue walking around and someone ran up to him and was like "oh my god are you leffen? Im such a huge fan!!" And leffen just straight up kicked him, like, in the stomach. And then he spit on him.
normally I'd call bull but the man is so unpredictable I have no issues believing this
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I'd say he's an evil clown.
i mean, Filipinochamp is one of those "super villains" but i also respect his skill, and hey, i do think that he's a cool dude, one of my favorite moments was during a first to 10 between marlinpie and combofiend in umvc3, and on game 19, it was 9 to 8, combofiend pulled his patented spencer comebacks "bionic arm!" and all, and fchamp was among the crowd when they all went insane, and that really connected him to me, still like watching him lose, but if we can both appreciate a good combofiend comeback, then we're cool.
4:08
I actually busted out laughing here. It was so random but got the point across so well.
me and my cousin play street fighter 3 whenever we hang out. he's by far one of the best shit talkers i've known my whole life. i love his shit talking so much that if i had an opportunity to win a match i would purposely lose just to see what he has to say lol
Have you got a highlight reel right handy?
Remember when Hakan is oiled up he’s one of the best characters in the game
That's what made Justin winning UMVC3 at EVO 2014 so hype. At the time ChrisG and Filipino Champ were at the top of their heel game. Justin Wong was a heel but put a lot of work into turning face. He's probably one of the best patient/lame players but played Rufus in SF4 and probably why he starts with wolverine in UMVC3.
I'm legitimately convinced that Fchamp specifically is a really nice dude that is giving the FGC a heel to make it interesting
Awesome video Core-A-gaming! Will you ever make a video talking about what makes or break a fighting game getting into the competitive scene? I'd love to see your views on it
Could be a good topic when SFV comes out, especially with Evo pulling SF4.
+Core-A Gaming It would be very much appreciated if u do. I've always wondered why Skullgirls only got relatively small acclaim especially when it was designed to be the 'fighting game fan's fighting game'.... Beyond having an all female cast & heavy ecchi aesthetic I'm stumped
+Core-A Gaming Evo is pulling SF4??? Aww man...
Shoutouts to DSP being the king of the clown section. I think Perfect 13gend fits on this list.
There was a time when I used to be so good with Makoto in BlazBlue Continuum Shift ver. 2.0, that I was kicked out of several lobbies online. I got this vibe that certain players were scared of my Makoto, so in one lobby, I switched it up with Tsubaki. And STILL won. I proceeded to trash talk even players who were higher level than me, because I was doing research at the time to exploit many characters' weaknesses. I dare say that I was a damn good villain, even my own friend that taught me how to play Makoto didn't want to fight me anymore, because I would consistently kick his ass. This went on for a whole 6 to 7 months, I think, until P4A came out. I was terrifying back then, lol
I don't even play video games, but this guy makes interesting videos.
> Infiltration
that didn't age well huh
wait why?
Why?
@@Dracobyte apparently he beat his wife
@@jacobpantin7803 it's proved that he doesnt
"You can also do this by beating women"
XD
Leffen is the perfect villain, but I'm glad you added the Chillin rap in there XD
I had no idea Filipino Champ wasn't a dickhead, turns out he was just roleplaying an anime villain. That's actually kind of cool.
Leffen is my favorite villain
Conor MC is the biggest UFC villain then I guess
always trash talkin, but always backing up what he says and even smoked jose aldo in 13 sec XD
conor needs to start playing fighting games :P
+LiangHuBBB Lol yeah but he actually has a likable personality. Now Ronda Rousey on the other hand....
+LiangHuBBB That's interesting, I'm Irish and here Mc Gregor is seen as a hero. That's national favoritism of course, but Ireland is generally an underdog country in the majority of sports, UFC, FGC, etc, so to come from there and beat the players from the biggest countries in the world gives him more of that hero's edge.
+Murderous Neil (Macal) Conor is definitely seen as the vilain in many places outside Ireland, specifically in hardcore mma purist circles (not casual fans). We all know he's just playing a character though, he s using the good old wrestling "cheer for the heel" tactic. The Nate Diaz fight is interesting because it has that Heel vs Heel dynamic loll. In the end, no one really hates Mcgregor, the only bad thing about him are his blind fans who say ridiculous things like he could move up, fight Jon Jones at a catchweight and beat him easily. SOunds ridiculous, but some peopele are dead serious when they say that loll.
This didn't age as well as it could have, it seems. Still, considering when you made the comment it makes sense.
Yeah... did NOT age well... turns out he's a massive racist prick too!
"You can do this by beating women" legit made me go "wait what"
Not a major moment, but among my friends there's one that definitely gets everyone into the game, whatever we're playing, and turns the villain antics up to 11 during actual matches. He's also undisputedly the best player among us, and that's why it was utterly hilarious when, after specifically targeting me for trash talk ("anyone who loses to Elijah takes his place as our worst SF player"), I took him out in the semifinals of a local tournament.
4:50 So.....INFILTRATION is villain now?
OOF
reminds me of wrestling. BTW Sherlock clip was genius.
4:58 just watched "I, Tonya". didn't notice/understand this reference until rewatching this video now
Great video as always!
Thanks for keeping up :)
I've never gone into competitive gaming and this is one of the reasons.
Sorry, but I don't want to behave bad just to get a slight advantage and "win".
I know it's a personality thing, but I don't get why people make a big deal about hype and trashing.
Surprised LTG didn't get more attention. he's the perfect example of a villan that makes people not want to play the game.
+Rekt Lunas Nah, he's a good example of a clown as described in this video
Talks a lot of shit, but nothing to back it up
LowTierJackass has nothing to offer to the fgc, other than complete shit.
LTG = clown
Rekt Lunas It's mostly because they probably didn't want to give LTG any publicity. He's that kind of a trash talking clown... the one who is so vile, you wouldn't even want to mention him.
I'm relatively new to the FGC scene. Tell me who LTG is.
My dad is a competitive player on video games, the most toxic, trash-talking opponent you'll play with. but when you get to know him, his actually pretty nice and chill, he also just loves being the villain type because it gets people invested.
It 's funny that the 'I got him pregnant' line evokes one of the oldest myths known to mankind: The 'Condendings' of Set and Horus, in the Osiris Mythos. Some things never change.
Well how I depicted it...when me and my friends were playing Super Street Fighter 4 on the 360 and my friend was getting pretty good...because of us we made him like fighting games which is cool. There was this kid that we know who lies and is so full of himself. He always brags and talks smack. Luckily he has a PS3 so he is outta our noses...till he got a 360 with SF and bragging on FB and near our lunch table that he can beat anyone in SSF4 and he is the king. One of our other friends came in and gave him our GT's (bad idea) and he started to spam up with invites and messages that he will kick our ass in this game. My two friends and I were just rolling our eyes. I was the best in all our friends (Cody SSF4 FTW) and my friends were taking turns kicking his ass...he won some...some mind you then gets bodied...then when I was up...he never won even a single round against me. As you can tell he was a clown :/ and then suddenly shit talks us and saying that his controller is a little fucked up. He was a joke villan like the Box Ghost in Danny Phantom. He came back a few years later and he actually won against my friends but it was a one time...like it was teired if that make sence. To face me he had to go through my two friends and he did first try...but when he came to me again. He still stood no chance in hell....gave him a combo that I was learning now that I knew how to EX cancel dash the focus attack without having to actually randomly spam buttons and then catch him with ultra...my friends were going nuts cause of how cool it looked. Then the joke dude got his ass kicked by my friends again. He got salty and left...then my friends and I were playing our game safe and sound...and no joke villan again :3
yikes on the transition 4:41 shame still let into FGC events after he did exactly that! smh
The production value on these videos is stellar man, keep it up. You honestly deserve way more subs.
In the first couple minutes when I watched a Big House stream, Leffen walked behind everyone petting a clay duck. That's when I stopped thinking of Leffen as a villain. He's a pretty nice dude though from what I've heard.
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