Socrates, Jesus, and the Fall of Rome | Dr. John Vervaeke
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This is a clip from yesterday's podcast release with Dr. John Vervaeke. In it, he and Dr. Peterson discuss the links between the Christian ethos and Socrates, and what really caused the fall of Rome.
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“ Socrates death in Athens was the dress rehearsal for Christ death in Jeruselum “ Justin Martyer
It was probably also an inspiration for Shakespeare, and God only knows how many people have been ripping him off ever since.
Citation?
@@scottbignell found in the Didache
@RocketKirchner No its not. And Justin didn't write the Didache either.
What really conquered Rome? We are watching in real time now.
Please, don`t compare yourself to the Romans. The Roman empire lasted for over 2,000 years up until 1453 even though you Westerners like to ignore that. Rome was an elephant that died of a 1001 mosquito bites.
You guys bought 70% of your empire for pennies from France and Russia etc and you won all your major wars by basically joining at the last moment when the fighting was already done and finishing off one of the exhausted sides.
You also lack all of the stuff that made Rome great such as nationalism, Orthodox Christianity, collectivism, etc.
😢@cowboybeboop9420 everything is accelerated due to technology.
@@cowboybeboop9420 I notice you keep saying "you guys".
@@cowboybeboop9420 Mentioning Orthodox Christianity and collectivism in the same statement is odd. What could be more fractious than that soup of sees?
@@cowboybeboop9420where are you from ?
As a Greek,the existence of Socrates,Plato and the Stoics is exactly what prepared and guided us to Orthodox Christianity..
It didnt guide us to a religion, philosophy was an understanding of the cosmos and helped people get away from superstition. Socrates tried his best on that front. Its no wonder that the christians went after the philosophers so brutally, dogma is the oppostite of free thought.
I think this is more what people need too. No one really cares about Christianity from the perspective of a hebrew desert cult several thousand years ago. That's too alien and distant. How does Christ culminate in or fulfill and shed light on whatever gaps or errors a pagan's religion may have. What does Christ offer that you don't already have.
@@thedeviousgreek1540 If there wasn't for the Byzantine monks who copied and saved the scrolls of almost all greek philosophers,no western university,after the sack of Constantinople, couldn't be able to find and read anything about greek philosophy..Go to amy monastery in Greece/especially in Agio Oros,and you will see them by yourself.. Don't call all Christian people and christian teachings as haters of logic,as all byzantine scholars teached greek philosophy in their curriculum.. That's why they made so many copies..they knew this philosophy better then you..we are a continuity and don't try to brake that please..we have a rich history and every change we made was needed by our people first..
Amen 🙏 Respect, I hope to travel to Athens one day. Cheers from Texas
Stoics like Diogenes the masturbator led us to Christianity?
There is a difference between reading the Word and eating the Word. Reading the word is propositional knowledge, however eating the Word is to become it.
Every Freshman in Highschool should be Introduced to Socrates but the public school system will never do that because they dont want you to know how to actually think! I didnt learn how to think until my Intro to Philosophy class at community college!
You wouldn’t resort to consumption and ego comparative levels of happiness. This would be bad for GDP of course….
"Questioning improves, but it also destroys"
Separates the wheat from the chaff.
For improvement there must always be destruction
Fascinating conversation. Don’t know if I’ll live long enough to get my head around this. Thanks Gentlemen. Respect ❤
A great deal of respect for Dr Vervaeke through his teaching at Peterson Academy.
Thank you sirs for bringing us, and challenging us, with higher reach
Such a beautiful thing you said about loving an infant from the hospital. That's so true (as a dad). You realize pretty quickly that every deposit of love you make into that infant's emotional bank account equates to that child's sense of security, courage, EQ, and curiosity. Selfless love from parents ages 0-3 in an infant is stunningly impactful. Thanks Vervaeke for letting the world know.
I understand the Christian analogy. To live a Christlike existence doesn’t make one a Christian. It’s part of what a Christian should strive to do, but there needs to be a personal relationship between Christ and the individual to be a Christian.
Yes. All that AND outwardly affirming Christ's accomplishment and who He is as the Son of God.
Amen!
A "relationship with Christ" is just a relationship with the Logos. It's the same thing. This means "what it means to be Christian" only means affirming a set of propositions, making it redundant
Christ would say to both John and Jordan, "you're not far from the kingdom."
@@Jeff-vn1xz
Yeah, but slightly different.
John, one of the Gospel writers, would say, "the Logos took on flesh and lived among us" ... and displayed Agape, ultimately in his Cross.
Vervaeke says, 'you have to go through fundamental transformation to perceive some truths.' I'd add that you have to go through some experiences to perceive some truths.
Hopefully, Vervaeke would have those experiences that help him to perceive that 'the Logos actually took on flesh and lived among us.'
Agape is a person-making process; it turns potential persons into actual persons.
Are you sure?
Thanks for all the great life lessons and education Dr. Peterson ❤
What really conquered Rome was a combination of internal decay and external pressures. Corruption, economic instability, and the erosion of civic duty weakened the empire, while waves of invasions from various tribes hastened its downfall.
Exactly as the usa today
It was then as we are now.
Doomed to repeat history, I fear.
They are answering the question, how did Christianity conquer pagan Rome? Not how did Rome collapse
@@eddysgaming9868Rome has a lot in common with the US today but they're not exactly the same. Rome still got its wealth through the land and through conquest. They didn't have the economic system to generate wealth the way we do. The moment Rome became too big and it didn't make sense to conquer more land, a lot of the wealth that propped up the empire stopped coming in. That along with everything you mentioned and I'm sure countless more reasons are why Rome fell.
PS- the similarities between Rome and America today do still terrify me.
@@MichaelPatrick447 Well thats way easier to answer. The number of illiterate slaves and the force of the crown. Philosophically, it was greek thought that made christianity.
I could listen to discussions like this for hours every day.
Me too!! 😅
Enroll in Peterson Academy.
Dr. Vervaeke teaches an amazing course there.
Enroll in Peterson Academy! Dr. Vervaeke teaches an amazing course there.
I basically do listen to discussions like this every day between Petersons podcast, Vervaeke's, Pageau, Sam Harris and PragerU. I am considering that Peterson Academy, but not sure how much it is and if they do accredited Master's degrees?
@@atlasfeynman1039 for what you get ... it's pennies. Look into it !
They are working on accreditation
Nothing beats a passionate Professor🙏
Ahhh I see prof Vervaeke and Prof Peterson and I click! Took Prof Vervaeke's module in University of Toronto (that's how I first heard of Prof Peterson actually: from him) and it was one of the best modules I've ever taken. No regrets taking a module that is difficult but extremely insightful. I know Prof Vervaeke was Buddhist at that period of time, didn't expect him to dive into Christianity! My path echoed his: I started with Lao Tzu's Dao De Jing, went on to Buddhism (was reading Pali canon) and then recently after a brief stint with Law of Attraction (still into it, in fact it is through LOA that I become convinced of Christianity) now arrived at Christianity.
Wonderful to listen to. I really need to start reading the acients, you guys dropped so many names I've never even heard of.
Many of their works are in the public domain. Librivox, I believe, has free audio recordings for you to download and listen to.
If I might add, and blow your mind, Agape love goes beyond sacrificial love and what it is, at its core is...ready for this the love that is reflected between the FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST !
Thanks! Time never wasted when I tune in to Jordan Peterson.
As a psychoanalyst and philosopher, I find these two fellow travelers always interesting. I hope they are eventually transformed by God’s grace and come into the one, truly, holy Catholic Church!
What? Are you saved???
Dr Peterson. You are my philosophy. You are my Socrates 😊
DR Peterson had many many interesting conversation but this one beats them all. Thanks for sharing this.
Why are we here ? What is the purpose of this life on earth? Is there life after this earthly existence? Is there a heaven and a hell? Are you good? Good enough to go to heaven? Almost all of us would declare to be good. But what is good? What is the highest moral standard to which we can compare or measure ourselves? Please take a look at this test. How many lies have you told in your life? Have you ever stolen anything - even if it was very small and of little value? Have you ever hated anyone? Have you ever desired things that wasn’t yours? Have you ever used God’s or Jesus name to express disgust? We all have done this at some point, so this test shows us that we are sinners. To admit this is not easy for us. But God is Light and Love and there is not even a trace of evil in Him. God is the Holy Spirit, He is a 100% righteous Judge, and He must not only judge murderers and thief’s, but also blasphemers, idol worshipers, fornicators and sexual immoral humans In the beginning the earth was like heaven during Adam and Eve, the first 2 humans, but they disobeyed God and began sinning. We all are descendants from them and carry the sin curse too. God says that the wages of sin is dead and that is why we all die. This is how serious sin is to a Holy God. But God is love and He doesn’t want anyone of us to go to Hell. He wants to Safe us so that we all live happily forever in His Kingdom, in heaven. But He must also judge and punish our evil. So how to solve this dilemma? God in His wisdom solved this problem by coming as the humble human Jesus. Jesus lived a perfect innocent life on earth, and He took the punishment that we deserved upon Himself by stepping in for us in Gods Courtroom and so bailed us out from Hell punishment by shedding His innocent blood and life on the Cross as a sacrifice atonement which washes away ALL our sins and punishment. He paid the highest possible price by offering His life and His precious blood to safe us. He died, but He rose from the grave on the third day, alive, because God is Spirit and He cannot die. God will give the gift of eternal life to you too if you believe in Jesus - you will go from being condemned to hell to everlasting life in heaven. This is Gods amazing grace - and it is free ! All you have to do now (!) is to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus for your Salvation. Do NOT trust in your good works as they are like filthy rags in the eyes of the Holy God - and you insult God as you actually saying that Jesus didn’t had to die for you. God bless each and everyone who reads this in the Mighty Name of Lord Jesus - the KING of kings, and the LORD of Lords.
I love listening to these higher cognition conversations. I’ll admit, I spent half of the time trying to figure out what you just said, lol. However, I feel better about myself when I finally understand the beautifully brilliant thing you just said.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for the glimpse into the enlightened.
Mr. Peterson, you MUST come and make speaches, talks, conference in Paris, France.
France NEEDS people like you.
Charlemagne would be pissed with the French right now.
He was the most HARD CORE Christian of his time... and look what the Frenchies have done to his country.
@@cascarrabias397 a lot of ancient French leaders would be pissed !!!
@@alexandrestrawinski7581 France was the jewel of the Catholic church.
What the heck happen to the Frenchies?
@@cascarrabias397 the left happened to France.
The french caliphate would not like that at all.
He’ll end up Amish. Just you wait and see.
Love: self, wife, family, society, world/creation. In that order. Face your daemons in all those hierarchies. Agape is something else. if you can not live life of vicissitudes, -ve and +ve i.e. opposites thorough physicality( vitality), emotion, thought and that other love called AGAPE that is beyond reason then you still have something to work out in yourself.
6:28 “we’re not just creating meaning, we’re creating the beings that participate in meaning” ❤️ absolutely beautiful
Rather meaningless.
@@twanderson7756 just like you.
@@allenhughes12 Cheap personal jibe, zero debating value
Following logos and agape makes you a christian in the eyes of a christian. If you know where these things come from it makes you an admirer of greek philosophy.
Love this. I survived 18 years of hell but I was raised as a Catholic Christian always had faith still do.
Many things happened I took responsibility of soul and really gave it to God. I use to feel this constant feeling near my chest, gone.
Thank you God and you as well Dr Peterson 27 months🫡💪🙏🇺🇸
Such an insightful talk. Thanks for it.
Can i get a low IQ rundown in the latter third?
Sadly, it was a very neurotic guest and conversation, this time. Basically, we’ve just watched how overthinking and unhealthy was his search for God in all those philosophical traps. Lord, have mercy on all so lost in intellectual confusion like that.
I dont believe Rome ever fell. They became covert
Interesting idea… What do you mean?
@@MrAnderson-v6h its now the RCC
@@christymckee8133 The Roman Catholic Church if that’s who you mean I honestly have never met a ruder more arrogant high and mighty bunch of people in my life.
Yes the holy roman empire is now the Catholic Church. Quite the empire if you look at the numbers.
@@imspyingonyou2243 Yes quite impressive and I’m shaking in my boots but statistics lie and the Catholic Church are the biggest liers ever, look how many priests have been paedophiles, why would anyone sanely want to support that?
Tremendous knowledge from these two wise Sages. Thank you. Be BLESSED All here :)
By now, Peterson should be enough independent of fortune to concentrate exclusively on interesting and philosophical topics like this one and stay away from the political noise. He would do himself a great favour. To us too. Vervaeke is truly amazing.
Peterson just endorse an aspiring dictator pathological liar who promises US citizens never have to vote again. Anything he says scewed, as his highest moral guide line was to fight authoritarians and always tell thw truth is most important, or at least not lie. Peterson is a disingenuous mess whose thought process is dangerously deranged nowadays.
Agape, or Hesed in Hebrew, is the unconditional unending love available only from God and for persons by the power of the Holy Spirit. Parental love is not unconditional and unending itis breakable. None of this is the product of human reason only as a free gift of God.
The greek term agape has nothing to do with hebrew.
The Jesus of the Trinity is different to the MUSLIM and greek versions of CHRIST..BTW
philosophy and theology, especially in the context of Socratic ideas, emphasize the importance of self-discovery and inner transformation. I concur that merely accepting propositions is insufficient for a deep understanding and embodiment of true love and meaning. Real wisdom comes through personal experience and growth, not just through intellectual beliefs.
"We frequently speak of God's holiness, righteousness, mercy, love, and other virtues. Man's mind is capable of conceiving these attributes of God, yet such mental knowledge is like looking through a stone wall. When however a believer has received revelation from God concerning His holiness, he sees himself corrupted to the core and void of any cleanliness before the light of God's dwelling in unapproachable light where no sinful, natural man can draw nigh. Oh, that many among us might be given such an experience as that."
Nee, Watchman The Spiritual Man
Now isn’t the Vatican in Rome? When one says Rome fell what does this actually mean? With I billion Catholics I would say that Rome is alive and well?
Some argue Christianity conquered Rome, some argue Rome created Christianity, I would argue it is a little bit of both, therefore The Roman Empire lives through Vatican Christianity like how British Empire is living through United Statss now even though you can also say they are part of the spiritual Roman Empire, heck just take a look at British Empire Red Coat, how can it be not inspire by Roman Legionnaires?
Now as to why I believe it is abit of both is because Roman Empire expand through assimilation where the local people eventually believe they are Roman or at least part of Roman Empire. See the many children of barbarian being educated in Rome? It is the same with Mongol empire, that is how they can sustain the numbers in the army, except that Mongol end up becoming Chinese because the Chinese has a more advanced governing system as oppose to Mongol’s normadic lifestyle.
So coming back to Roman assimilation strategy which would mean when they try to assimilate the Mediterranean region, they would have absorb many talent conscripting them to join the Roman Empire, this would include many religious scholar of Abrahamic descent. After a prolonged period of war, the Roman might think that it is much better to simply create a new religion of Jewish descent to make the Jew fight against the Jew as religious army are more fearless, stubborn and will refuse to succumb to any foreign empire or governance, unlike the Vikings, the Germanic tribe etc. So Christianity is born because of this because of Jew serving in Roman Empire, it is no difference from the captured Chinese engineer who help mongol empire build war machine such as catapult and through them paper making technology were transferred to the Middle East & then the West.
That is when Abrahamic religion becomes even bigger. In essence, Judaism were created based on Abrahamic source, Christianity is based off Judaism & Abrahamic sources, like how Android system are design based on Linux. Eventually due to geopolitics in Middle East, the Arab has possibly captured Jewish & Christian scholar and uses them to create a new religion call Islam and attempt to monopolise it, that is why the Quran said Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet.
Roman Empire like the US or British Empire, after fighting for too long and over assert itself in far away land assimilating different cultures like how the Sikh or the Gurkha serving British Empire, US army has every nationalities serving them. Sure, it is a strength but it is also a weakness philosophically speaking, like the Bruce Lee quote of how water can flow but it can also crash, it’s the same for anything in life. US like Roman Empire, will started to lose its identity but if it does “collapse”, it will live through “Hollywood” like Roman Empire in Vatican Pope’s clothing.
Something similiar has happened in China where there is a group of people with unknown descent creating a philosophy known as Mohism, their morality emphasise on “universal love” which is similiar to Abrahamic while Chinese philosophy or Confucianism morality more often emphasise on “benevolence”, the way this group of Mohism followers function are no different from Abrahamic religions, they go around China acting like a “peacekeeper” helping any government regardless of any faction, which is one reason why it has disappear from China after Qin Shi Huang unified China because the government will eventually see them as a threat and it is in conflict with Confuciunism in many aspect, or perhaps followers of Mohism themselves believe their school of thought has outlived its usefulness then decide to simply reborn and be “part of the Chinese empire”. There is a movie about Mohism “墨攻A Battle of Wits 2006”. Reason why I say Mohism could be created by the descendent of Abrahamic people is because Mohism appears during the warring state of China which is very close to the timeline of when Babylon attack the Jewish empire which causes many Jew to be exiled and some of them might have set foot in China. This is not mere guesses but speculation because of how the Chinese word for ship 船 came to be, it is a oracle bone script word that suggest Abrahamic/Jewish’s people might have influence in the creation of that word which I would not go into detail here but if you look at the China Zheng He Expedition which reach as far as Africa and some historian even claim that they have reach America (unconfirmed), the interesting bit is that this treasure fleet is said to be the size of 450 feet (137 m) in length which many engineer claim it is impossible for the time but it is historical fact that this expedition happen quite often with as many as 240-300 ships that build diplomatic ties with Melacca Kingdom (Malaysia) and help fend off invasion from Siam (Thailand) and then it manage to bring back a giraffe from Africa to China. The expedition were lead by Zheng He, an eunuch who is a Muslim, he even went to Mecca.
It could possibly be a mix of reality and fiction but if you were to connect the dots, the Abrahamic people must have good shipbuilding skill hence the myth of Noah’s Ark which help them reach other part of the world and that shipbuilding technology has been transferred to China.
I am not religious and I don’t believe in the mystical part of Abrahamic religion but if I were to study history objectively, I believe this is a very likely scenario. Civilization as advanced as Roman Empire love utilising barbarian against the barbarian, so Jewish (Judaism) against Jewish (Christianity) make perfect sense to me, so Roman Empire did create Christianity.
They mean the classical Roman Empire. That’s an undeniable fact that’s why Rome is in a country called Italy now. A small country compared to the classical Mediterranean empire of ancient times.
@@TheogRahoomie Vatican influence is beyond the land mass of Italy.
@@TheogRahoomie With pizza's!!!
Buuuuuut, wasn't Socrates homeless?
Thats Diogenes.
Christianity boomed in Rome during the Antoine plague, which killed nearly a quarter of the Romans. When the plague hit Rome, most of the population fled in an effort to distance themselves from the disease in self-preservation. Christians stepped out in faith to care for those in distress, staying and even coming back to help.
You do weird things if you think the apocalypse is coming and you will be saved.
This is an excellent conversation and a very necessary discussion for everyone.
I was attracted to Socrates because his last speech.
It was too fitting, if you move past your own narratives of my guilt.
Even if i was lets say I'm not about just getting drugged out my mind.
Think if i really was being drugged against my will out of my mind, getting me to do any potential horrors.
If you look at my situation in my narrative, you would see his speech fits perfectly.
That's really all ik of Socrates. I listened to it a few months before my imprisonment.
I haven't studied philosophy or psychology really.
Ik most of everything ik by having dealt with it at some point. Or elementary and middle school.
Wild life my pacha.
The most profound thing Socrates said in his last speech for me was this: I implore you, fellow Athenians, to do to my children and their children's children exactly what you accuse me of doing to you. He should have won after that. His apology is on utube, i think you would like it in full.
Re: John speaks to living a good and moral life. The Bible is very specific that you can’t be good enough to get into heaven. Jesus is the way. When morals and ethics are self defined, human nature takes a negative turn m. We need the love and example of Christ. Otherwise, we make ourselves our own God with our own rules and morals and ethics.
"We frequently speak of God's holiness, righteousness, mercy, love, and other virtues. Man's mind is capable of conceiving these attributes of God, yet such mental knowledge is like looking through a stone wall. When however a believer has received revelation from God concerning His holiness, he sees himself corrupted to the core and void of any cleanliness before the light of God's dwelling in unapproachable light where no sinful, natural man can draw nigh. Oh, that many among us might be given such an experience as that."
Nee, Watchman The Spiritual Man
'truths that reveal themselves to you, after having gone through a fundamental transformation...' Vs. 'aspiring to a propositional truth.'
circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit and not by the letter.
Romans 2:29
I've been watching peterson and vervaeke for years and i came to conclusion that very high intellectuals are often blinded to the obvious and they feel this need to explain every single thing and its becoming tiring to listen to. like the answer to all their questions is litterly in front of them and its christ.
The way, truth and the life..........................
Mr. Peterson you can see. There is a difference between the object and its term. Knowing the term is not the same as being the object. Confessing the tenants of Christianity is not the same as being a Christian. To be a Christian, is to be the object, Christ.
Socrates and Jesus would not wear Nike.
Faith without works...proof in the pudding! Love is action and so is belief, true belief
Or rather, who...
So sad to listen to foreigners talk about my ancestors and not my people, at least our philosophy lives in outside of Greece.
We used to read The Republic, Utopia, Brave New World, 1984, and Grapes of Wrath and at least five Shakespeare plays in high school. Eros, Filia, Agape were a grade ten test question.
Nowadays religion and ideology are seen as new and profound. No wonder we’re dupes and easy marks for the likes of DiAngelo and Kendi.
This sounds like the book of James (faith without works is dead).
Title change in the first hour. Had to pull in the religious crowd, huh?
This man's journey sounds a LOT like the one I went through in the early 90's, but it's taken me 30 years to stifle my intellectual pride sufficiently to accept the propositions of the Christian doctrine. Eternity would be a poorer place without the likes of Aristotle & Socrates who gave me the essential tools to eventually understand The message. First, subdue your ego, then all things are possible, for you can't learn what you think you already know.
Talked about this video in intervals of pausing and playing for almost two hours with my wife. Not even religious but my apex of emergence may turn out otherwise lol.
Women in the Roman Empire weren't non persons
They could define a woman unlike our new Court Justice.
Some say Aristotle is the first Christian.
The first Christian was the thief on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him
When you come into your kingdom
People say stupid things all the time. Distorting the whole of history in order to fit it in the narrow christian understanding leads only to absurdity.
What a great trailer. and i just brought Tarskie's redundancy theory of truth.
Deep deep conversation! Then at the end I said to myself: those chairs don’t look very comfortable. 😜
Protect Humanities Civilization... Learn from the History...
When are you speaking with Doug Wilson from Moscow Idaho?
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST WOKE CONVERSATIONS I'VE EVER HEARD ONLINE thank you thank you thank you for explaining the human psyche and the human experience. We are THE GODS.
Dr. Vervaeke, exceptional mind! Thank you gentlemen.
These are the latinos, not native americans who speak Spanish. You learned something Americans
What if that finger of accusation were reversed?
Just how many more moral failings would we unearth then?
All things considered, Christianity is a fairly new religion.
"During the last stages of Second Temple Judaism, God mercifully reintroduced the earth to the sweeping principle, the ideal, of an agape form of peace on earth. Such a proposition shook the foundations of human philosophy, psychology, religion, government, and law in ways and to degrees that have never been matched or reversed. First revealed to the ritually unclean shepherds, who were social outcasts living under the open stars, God’s heavenly messengers proclaimed the arrival of a new reality that had fallen upon the entire cosmos (Luke 2:10-14)."
Willard, Dallas; Black, Gary. The Divine Conspiracy Continued:
I am going to follow you.
Una increíble conversación.
Muchas gracias por todo lo que entregas Jordan.
Saludos desde Chile 🇨🇱
You should make a video about Jung’s synchronism.
my boi Vervaeke with the Jordan's on!! lol
Gave me chills. I weng from being a high-functioning weak Christian child, to a barely-functioning strongly atheistic young adult. Socrates and the neoplatonists were key in bridging the divide for an intelligent, broken boy to develop into a high-functioning devoted Christian man.
I recommend Manly P. Hall's lecture on 'The Neoplotonic Key to the Grand Cycle of Myths'.
Socrates is dead in his grave. The only words that should matter to anyone are the words that are given to Lord Jesus Christ, who is seated at the right hand of God. On the day of judgment Socrates will be judged for his deeds as will the rest of us.
Don't forget that sadly enough Socrates did not write down his philosofies. What we "know" about Socrates is largely told to us by Plato, whose values are often inconsistent with many of Socrates' actions.
Ba ! Nice Nikes :) Your mixing Scholars with Ceasar . Fall of Rome could have been an illusion ? Does the 'Roman Callender' which has 12 months , actually have 10 months ? Did he change the Constalations after his 2 Son were born , to make it a 12 month Callender , doubt it ! ... Sooo , does that mean , for every 5 years you've lived , your 1 year older ?
Fun conversation to listen in on. Is one kind of love really the best? Children might choose Philia, young adults Eros, and older folks (parents) Agape (reminding us, btw, of Plato's comments in the Laws about the type of choral performance people of different ages prefer). An evolutionary psychologist might point out that each corresponds to a different stage or aspect of human existence, and our species depends equally on all three.
Love Dr Peterson, but I've watched all Johns episodes and struggled to find ways to like him.
He's anxious, narcissistic, constantly seeking affirmation, stutters and is at times incoherent.
It's like Dr Peterson has him as a friend out of a combination of pity and a project.
He tells Jordan that he's trusting him with information forgetting that hundreds of thousands will watch.
Then he says that his partner Sara says he's the biggest Christian she's met.
I don't know what made her the authority particularly that she loves him so is totally biased.
I don't know what's in someone's heart, he may be a good man but it's clear as day that you have to profess belief in Jesus to qualify as one.
Sorry for long note but thought to offer opinion.
"God is agapé love, which takes the non-humans of the Roman Empire, and makes them human, thereby conquering the Roman Empire. I don't profess to be a Christian" 😂 OKAY! *WINK, WINK*
Jordan Peterson, science needs to make the discovery of immortality urgently and rejuvenate this man. Make him physically immortal. Please stay alive like Methuselah!
Why ask science for this, just ask yahweh.
Everything that comes out of God’s creative hands contains continuous preservation and creation. If God’s creating and preserving act withdrew from the heavens, from the sun and from all the rest of Creation, all would lose life, because, since Creation is ‘the nothing’, they need the work of ‘the All’ in order to be preserved. This is why God’s works are inseparable from Him; and what is not subject to separating, is loved always, is kept always under one’s eyes, and the work and the One who created it form one single thing.
he is a seeker. & so he found 'socrates.' i suppose socrates was a 'rebel,' in his day. the greco culture is one that continually confuses me--from my base point of view, i can see they ushered in a whole new age of technological developments but that also came w/a 'reform' of religion. they didn't treat the residents of 'Persopolis' very well, tho'; the alexandrian campaign should have never burned that down--although alexander was macadonian, so i guess in a way that little thought makes no sense. perhaps socrates was the voice in a burgeoning western culture that made spiritual sense--he certainly wasn't regarded very well by 'those on top,' which checks . . .
Jesus said, “Love One + Another.”
Nowhere did he say only Romans, only Jews, only Gentiles, only Christians, only merchants, only LGBTQ, only Black People, only DEI OCD….
Jesus was speaking those Words to His followers. HE already knew who was HIS OWN.
What we know or believe about Socrates was interpreted and presented by Plato. A series of stories in essence. Very much like the Bible.
Socrates drank the hemlock with no fear of death for his interpretation of what was virtuous and good for humanity. Like Jesus.
"What kinds of questions are you asking? Those that seek the truth? Or, those that seek to destroy the truth? " These three questions were once asked of me. In confession. And, I shall never forget them.
Both claim to be scientists, which quite literally is the pursuit of unavoidable propositions. So it's okay to be scientifically propositional but not religiously. Dr. Peterson, religion is pointless unless it actually contains revelation. Revelation is on EQUAL PAR with natural facts if they are true.
Wow. I did tie chi chuan. Standing on stake. It gives the appearance of precognition, but really, it's a practice of self-awareness, having the ability to articulate more information that is coming into your subconscious through your being.
Christianity destroyed Roman empire. Christian values were not compatible with empire. Equality, Empathy etc is what romans were thought as no no , weakness. Nietzsche pointed it out very well
This is an amalgamation of paganism while attempting to legitimize the ideas by mentioning Jesus or “early Christianity.” Utter blasphemous nonsense.
As for love, i would disagree. I would say there is only one definition of love which is given by our lord. Agape love, which encompasses the only true divine definition of what love is.
All the knowledge in the world won't save you.
Gnosis is what the snake offered in the garden.
Only a real, true, living God can save us.
Call out to Him.
Wow thank you for expressing the errors of evangelism so well. Kudos and may God bless us and unite us in his agape ❤❤❤
For me it was reading Plotinus which turned me back towards God, religion, and Christianity.
That maybe the most linguistically complex video I have listened to this year hehe :] TY
is there a transcript?
One wonders if it was the prolonged need for nurturing with unconditional love that raised phenomenal consciousness to the level of meta-consciousness.
Exactly. I gave up on studying philosophy for that very reason. 2 years in it became just more confusion and propaganda.
Em Cioran said he gave up philosophy when he found no human emotion in Kant .
The Republic is an amazing handbook on how to deal with the self, what it means to be good, and why be good anyways.
Sir Kenneth Clarke said it was decadence and internal rot that toppled empires, not raiders from the outside. The same could be said about health!!
Four p’s!!! Perceptry, participatory, procedural, propositional
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