Factitious Disorder by Proxy
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2019
- Dee Dee Blanchard, mother of Gypsy Rose, was the focus of The Act on Hulu and Mommy Dearest, Mommy Dead on HBO. Dee Dee Blanchard was accused of abusing her daughter Gypsy Rose because of Factitious Disorder by Proxy (which used to be called Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy).
Now Factitious Disorder can be something we impose on ourselves as well as something we impose on someone else. The only difference is that one is called Factitious Disorder and the other is called Factitious Disorder by proxy. Basic Factitious disorder is diagnosed when someone falsifies physical or psychological signs or symptoms, or even causing injury or disease associated with the falsification. Meaning that someone will fake they are sick and even harm themselves to create the same symptoms and fool a doctor or other provider. They must also present themselves as ill, impaired, or injured. This behavior must still happen even when there aren’t any outside rewards. And finally this must not be happening because of a different mental illness like delusional disorder or any other psychotic disorder. The criteria is the same for Factitious Disorder by Proxy, except that the person who has this disorder is pretending someone in their life is ill. So in the “by proxy” diagnosis the perpetrator (not the victim) receives the diagnosis of Factitious Disorder by Proxy.
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You're right, Kati. This is extremely disturbing. I guess I shouldn't go too far with value judgements, but it would take a pathetic, miserable person to make their own child sick so the person can get sympathy.
What works for narcissism because it seems like it might be the same type of therapy
There seems to be some narcissism in this it might be worth looking into that stuff
I mean a narcissist also lies and is probably mandated to go to therapy if it's bad enough
Maybe that narcissism doesnt tend to really hurt others like this does
I have heard about this awhile ago but never knew its name but that it existed and it's horrible I wouldnt be surprised if I first heard about it from the show the practice
Since all of the eps are gone or changed so it's not so twisted that ep if there was one cant be found
(The practice is the series before Boston legal so it's a show about Massachusetts law for the most part)
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No one can convince me Gypsy deserved jail time. The mental, physical, and emotional abuse she endured is horrific and it's a miracle she didn't end up dying at the hands of her mother. Gypsy has actually said she doesn't mind her sentence because she feels more free in prison than she did living with her mother. Just sad.
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She didn’t. No abused child deserves such a sentence. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves. I assume they are forcing probation too.
It’s disgusting. I’m sorry the old child abuser died. If only she was still alive and on a feeding tube.
I don’t like the new name. Munchhausen is hard for people to spell and pronounce, but I still like it better. It separates from all other forms of child abuse.
I know what she meant when she said that because I always felt like that as a child… evil ass twisted sick child abusers rot in hell!!!
She had her mother murdered. Law says she deserves jail time. That's why prosecutor did a deal because many jurors would think like you do and they might have gave her lesser charge or acquittal altogether. 10 years with parole after 7 is a slap on the wrist for murder 2
I totally agree, this is truly disgusting and no child should be abused by their "trustworthy" parents, especially Gypsy.
Why can’t Gypsy go to inpatient treatment instead of prison?
I honestly wondered that as well.. because she was the victim. I am not sure why it turned out the way that it did. :( xoxo
Danielle S I feel like instead of prisons we should put them in therapy and if they are still extremely violent for years maybe the chair ?
Kati Morton I thought the exact same, why is she in jail when she was a victim
Because our nation rarely handles mental illness or the victims it creates well. I hope we can begin to change that.
Right. She did society a favor getting rid of that monster. What if mommy dearest got all she could from Gypsy and got hold of another child to torture. She should get praised not prison. All the incompetent Dr case workers and investors should be in jail!
I know this too well. My mother made me sick basically up until she left my family. Poisoned my food, hurt me...you name it. I threw up every day at school from kindergarten to grade 5. She emotionally and physically abused me to the point where I felt trapped, she terrorized my whole family. I sympathize with Gypsy so much. I'm so glad she left me at age 12, it could have gone much worse.
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Did you punch her in the face? -🦸♀️
@@antonialovesyou4462 would have been satisfying but no
Still living this
@@Naoki-wx3wu do you need some resources to get help?
My dad did this... He was a mental health worker, therapist etc.
I am adopted at birth. Yet I was inappropriately diagnosed with RAD disorder and forced to doing “holding therapy”. Was started on tons of medications for all types of things since I was 6-18years old.
I went through TONS of health care professionals, therapists and the like. If my dad didn’t like them...We immediately switched even if I liked them.
It all stopped when my dad made me go to an evaluation for Bipolar Disorder. I sat with the man and told him my truths. He said I didn’t have ANYTHING at all. Including what I had already been diagnosed with.
He told my dad he wouldn’t give me any medication and my dad blew up on him!
Thankfully I saw nothing was wrong with me at 18 and immediately moved out the house.
I’ve been medication free for 8 years now and have no issues what so ever. I’m married with children and happy.
Lovely LUXE I’ve never heard of by proxy in regards to mental health, but that makes perfect sense. I wonder if he saw what he wanted to see because he assumed anyone who’s adopted would have an attachment disorder or if he was truly delusional. Either way, that’s terrible what he did. So glad you’re doing better!!!
TK I’m not sure in the end honestly. Possibly yet as soon as I moved out and got married at 18-19 he completely almost didn’t care about me. He has two wonderful grandchildren and he’s barely involved.
He was more interested when I had “issues”. To this day he brags about dealing with my issues to others. It’s uncomfortable
@@lovelyluxe5546 You described so many things that resemble this disorder. To me, it does not sound like your father just jumped to conclusions out of worry. Him just being worried and overly cautious would not warrant tons of medications, specialists or flipping out at someone who does not agree.
I'm sure TK did not mean any harm, but it can actually be harmful to relativise and plant doubts about the abuse.
Glad you are doing well now and I wish you all the best!
Her mother basically robbed her of her childhood & early adulthood AND made her endure horribly painful procedures, as well as putting her mental development at risk due to medications etc... Killing her quickly was mercy on the daughter‘s side.
I passed and I am passing through the same thing, her name is Marcia Greyce Muller Carvalho, she's being putting my life through hell since childhood, non stop, until today, she never worked and uses her husband as doctor, he's alcoholic
I talk about that as a current victim on my channel Herton Carvalho
This happened to me and my sister. My mother convinced my sister and me that we had celiac disease, lactose intolerance, various severe food allergies, asthma, gastrointestinal reflux disorder, and various mental health issues. Obviously, not as severe as Gypsy Rose but we still underwent endless medical procedures as kids including endoscopies and staying in the hospital for long periods of time while the doctors tried to figure out what was wrong with us (spoiler: nothing). My diet was really limited as a kid because my mother told me I couldn't eat so many different foods. My sister underwent countless allergy tests and had to carry around EpiPens for years for allergies she didn't even have. We lived in fear because we thought that we were sick and fragile. It was only when I was 19 that I ran away from home and realized that I was perfectly healthy, which came as a complete shock after years of trips to the doctor. My sister, who is a few years younger than me, is still dealing with the aftermath.
sorry that happen to you.
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Awe thanks :) xoxo
@Kati morton Actually forgot about all my problems for bit when u where talking about a child abuser😂🤣
I find her fake and putting on a persona for some reason
Id tap
So frustrating that this isn’t monetisable. Get it together UA-cam!
Yeah you're right
What reasoning did they give ? Or none as per usual
What happened?
Educating society?? Why would they do that? That's apart of their control.
Think about the reason.... this subject....Munchausen syndrome by proxy is a mental illness and a form of child abuse. The caretaker of a child, most often a mother, either makes up fake symptoms or causes real symptoms to make it look like the child is sick. Does this sound like the trans kid agenda to anyone else???? There might be a few trans kids out there but majority of them their moms fit this definition.
Gypsy should not be in jail I believe what she did was absolutely self defence.
Right. It absolutely was.
Now, if she had a plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity", I'm sure the outcome would've been different.
I knew a woman who was accused of FD by proxy. I met her while I was hospitalized for suicidality and severe depression, and something was definitely off about her story. She and her husband were divorced after they had three children together. She told everyone how sick all three children were with rare conditions and multiple confusing symptoms. She wanted all three children to have procedures to have feeding tubes placed. She said her ex-husband did not believe that the children were sick and did not give them the treatments she believed they needed whenever they stayed with him. She was very upset about the possibility of losing custody of the three children. I never found out why she was hospitalized... she was very anxious to get back out to her kids. I could never put my finger on what felt off about her, but I found myself siding with the ex-husband having never met him or heard his side of the story. I really hope those kids are safe, regardless of what the truth was.
Hm. Odd.
A friend of mine had factitious disorder. She faked many pathologies to the extent that she received major unnecessary surgeries and potent drug prescriptions. Last month, she sustained multiple organ failure. And died. A tragedy.
Anna Kurgan are you referring to Jackie? No one has ever formally confirmed she factitious disorder, lets leave the diagnosing to professionals.
I have no idea who Jackie is, nor what you are talking about. I was referring to a personal friend who was professionally diagnosed by a PhD. Kindly refrain from making assumptions and drawing judgemental conclusions.
@@Anna-worriesme Oh, I'm so sorry. What you described is EACTLY what happened to a youtuber (Chronically Jaquie) last month except she had never been diagnosed with Factitious disorder.
@@bee42Sad no problem. I just got a huge fright because I didn't know who you were referring to. I've watched The Act since, and found it to be very disturbing indeed.
just_be I’m not sure if I would call their description exactly what happened to jacquie because she died as a result of a feeding tube complication. It became wrapped around her intestines. It’s terribly sad though. Everything people said about her faking her illness had no weight to it. So awful that people bullied her like that.
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The way you explain and use modern examples, supporting your statements with relatable evidence and presenting your opinion in a very palatable way, like you arent shoving it in my face, is so fantastic!! *takes deep breath from run on sentence* Thank you for sharing!!
I'm certain it takes her hours to put even one of these videos together. Its probably the reason for the quality, too. So we'll have to make due with what we have from her. 😊
I've been aggressively medicated for a "mood disorder" I started experiencing symptoms when my mother went into a psychiatrists office and made up shit, then I had an adverse reaction to the medications and almost deleted myself from it. Motherhood sure is precious
Thanks for this video. I'm a victim of this and spent my first three years in hospital, and had dozens of operations. I find it hard when people see my mother as evil, when this is an illness, as it's good to have informing vids out there. I have found it hard that there isn't much out there on the long term effects of victims.
I whole heartedly believe MD’s of children should be required extensive backgrounds in psychology. I’m a private nurse and experienced this with the mother of my patient. I reported her to the pediatrician and nothing was ever done. The oldest child was put on so many antipsychotic drugs but he did not need them. She was torturing her own son, starving him too, I reported that as well. Dr’s really don’t have a clue, not all but most. Conventional medicine fails us 90% of the time.
Nice Kati I wasn't aware of the name change to Factitious Disorder and Factitious Disorder by Proxy.
Hi Katie! You should do another video on DID, but this time make it a collab. DissciaDID and MultiplicityandMe both have fantastic channels with a System's perspective....just a thought 😁
I remember finding out about this disorder years ago and found it just horrifying. Thank you for an informative video
Very well written. You make it very clear how the disorder is recognized. As a high school guidance counselor, I saw this several times but could do nothing about it, except to be available to the student. But they most often never talked alone. The film “The Sixth Sense” dramatizes an example of Munchausen by Proxy in a critical scene.
I feel like this is happening to eugenia cooney
literally why i came to this video.. still so worried for her!
Blake Allister yes I have thought this for a long time
They are definitely co toxic
omg true :o
Why?
Hi Kati. Thank you for the video. It is hard to believe that someone could be so manipulative. This scares me. As a teacher, I will now pay closer attention to my students. This was a very good topic to cover today. Thank you Katie and happy Thursday to you too.
It really is hard to believe.. ugh. But it's having people like you out in the world who can pay attention and get children the help they need when they need it, that can change the world :) xxoxo
@@Katimorton + So what about Adoptive parents who single out, abuse, attempt to brainwash, & completely isolate, an Adopted child? What would you say about them/that? Adoptive Mother who went thru the house with a knife in her hand sticking out, who just gushed insults & profanity every time she crossed paths with adopted child, & they were alone in the house? They hardly ever took said child to doctor. When any of their children got cold symptoms, Adoptive Father would just say, "ok no sugar!" Not even allowing the Adoptee cough drops because they had sugar in them. He believed going without sugar, lessoned, or shortened illness such as colds. But the reality is, he just didn't want to take them to the doctor. Especially the adopted one.🙎
Please do.
After being chronically ill for six years and being undiagnosed for four and half of those years with so many doctors brushing me off, treating me like it was all psychological I actually started to wonder if maybe I did have factitious disorder. It was miserable missing out on my life but if no one could figure out an underlying cause of all my systemic issues maybe I was somehow just making them all up? Now that I finally have an answer and have improved with treatment and regained something resembling a life I think I was just the victim of gaslighting for so long I started gaslighting myself. I feel like those with factitious disorder probably know they have it. Right?
This is something VERY difficult to prove a majority of the time. I worked in Peds and we had a mom we knew had it but proving she was doing something was a different story. We did so much documentation EVERY time we saw them and had to be eagle eyed when they came in.
Maybe best way is hospitalizing the patient (faking whatever treatment but taking care they get nutrients and no medicines at all for days) and record the mother when she's in the room by herself. She will do something to make the patient ill.
What I hate is when doctors immediately jump to this conclusion when they're faced with an illness they don't understand or haven't seen before that very much is real just so they don't have to say "I don't know." It's a real problem with patients that have rarer disorders. I wish there was more education for doctors about how to tell the difference.
I first heard about this after watching The Sixth Sense where the mother was poisoning her daughter eventually killing her for sympathy from others. I also had a childhood friend in middle and high school who always seemed to fake health issues for attention.
Oh God! Sorry 🤗
I knew about this sadly from researching my relationship with my mom and then my after my brother became a therapist. My mother didn’t use doctors, it was church. She exaggerated what was wrong with us and we believed it. I had to go through deprogramming and it’s terrifying. What’s worse is my mom taught me much of the things that bring me happiness (like my fandoms) but used gaslighting even with those to keep us in line (threats were used only when we got older). It’s a volatile and scary landscape, and sticks with you for decades.
Same!! My goodness so scary! Do you share your story somewhere? I have not met many people that would even understand
Thank you for mentioning the emotional abuse aspect of this. People only talk about the cases where the most dramatic physical harm occurs. No one talks about the emotional damage. I was a victim of a mild case of this throughout childhood. The gaslighting really messes you up and not having any adults to turn to because they all believe your mothers manipulation leaves you so isolated. You are not sure what is true even after doing stuff like secretly eating food that you are supposedly intolerant to and having no reaction to it. Your like "why am I hyperactive for running around playing tag but none of the other kids are?" "Is this a rash or is it goosebumps?" "does crying mean I am having a mood swing or is this a normal reaction to emotional or physical abuse?"
OMG i literally feel llike you read my mind. I just finished the act and was thinking of you doing a video...and I opened youtube and this was here!!! what a coincidence! thanks for this video. What a truly heartbreaking series the act is, in every way you look at it. thank you
Awesome video Kati. I love how you explain all of these mental disorders and such, it makes me understand them so much better
Wow 9%?! I learn a lot from you! I keep debating on what to do with my career. After reading "Brain on Fire" it really hit home about people being misdiagnosed or not. People need help! 😭
D Mendoza I asked Kati to clarify on Twitter if this is 9% of ALL children or 9% of children w/ parents w/ this condition. Her response:
“9% of children who fall victim to Factitious Disorder by Proxy.”
@@_just_TK Thank you for this! The video is very misleading about the 9% thing. I don't think it was on purpose but I hate seeing misinformation being spread around about such a sensitive topic
Some times people are falsely accused. My mom was suspected because when i fell asleep I would lose my breath. My mom never left my side except for children's whose parents had to work. Later when I had to have my tonsils and adenoids taken out a couple of years later they found the issue. Their was a piece of skin covering all of my nose and most of my mouth. This was in the 80s when it was still called Munchausen by proxy. Great video though. It's so sad that children die because of this.
You must not know much about her case. Her mother most definitely had this.
@@alternifeind15 yes I was just saying sometimes people are falsely accused too. This is a very sad case and it's a very real disorder no doubt.
My wife has been recently diagnosed with Fictitious Disorder by proxy. They are so good at manipulation that even though I have had suspicions for awhile I was convinced that I was a terrible father for not wanting to find out what's wrong with my kids. It wasn't until she had enough of me that she left me with the kids and moved 3000 miles away and within 2 weeks 100% of the medical issues went away. My youngest was in a power wheelchair at 3 and had a feeding tube since she was 2. I have since taken the gtube out and it's been 10 months with no symptoms.
Thank you so much for these videos. You are such an inspiration. Keep up the good work.
Just was watching the act, and this video answered many of my questions. Thank you!
Ann H the act is a good show but they make the story more interesting looking and different than the real one
I have been obsessed with these MBP cases for a long time now and found your video both entertaining and educational. Keep up the great work.
Kati, great videos. I want to comment on BURNT-OUT. I think that I developed burn out a few years ago. Work was probably a major factor. But I think that the bigger factor was my toxic personal life. Since I started developing symptoms, I educated myself alot about stress, narcissism, codepdendency, burn out and boundries. Working in the ER is a high stress job, which I did for years. What I think got me in the end though, was all the toxic people in my personal life - so many people, who are "unsafe" according to dr.Cloud's book about Safe and Unsafe people. When I was not at work, I was constantly in the presence of people, who were energetically draining me - energy vampires of different categories (Julie Hanks's described them in a video). Some yelling, constantly complaining, some talking non stop for an hour about themselves, some cutting me off mid sentence in a dysrespectful manor, when I was talking; mom schizofrenic, brother passive-aggressive (always late, forgetting, etc.), father nacisssitic controlling - so many unreliable people in my personal life. My therapist says I was constantly being attacked (non physically). I see it as constant chaos and dysrespect. I was doing so very well in my own personal life that year (got married, bought a condo, passed a college course), but all those other people were all headed or already in personal crises (all of them). My choice was and has been to either be at home with only non-toxic husband or be among people, none of whom are OK. I wish there were videos out there about this. I could probably have managed work and one toxic person, but that many "unsafe" dysfunctional people in my life drained me. I could not socialize and relax at the same time. Every family gathering was and is toxic. Sometimes it's not about the individual one factor, sometimes it's about an accumulation of toxic factors. The solution - minimizing contact with so many people has left me in a place of loneliness, much grieving took and is taking place.
This was so startling thank you for sharing!❤️
I am so glad you made this video I remember this case back in 2017 on dr Phil so sad
If you want to know a couple of fictitious stories about this, you might remember the little girl that was getting poisoned by her mother in the movie 'The Sixth Sense'. And, more recently, there was a mini series called 'Sharp Objects' where Factitious Disorder by Proxy was the underlying issue of the story.
Your videos never fail to teach me something!!! You're awesome Kati 💘
So happy to see a video title with proper nomenclature! It’s been bugging me to see this misclassified by many of the sources who have commented :)
Hi Kati! I'm a Juvenile Probation Officer, I love your videos! I work with a lot of youth that have the mental health diagnoses you discuss, they are very insightful. I have an interesting case that involves a parent that would initiate and provoke the adopted children to the point they were charged with battery. An example would be the parent holding down the children and slapping them, the child would push past the parent to get away from the attack, then the parent would call the police for the child shoving the parent (in my state any unwanted physical contact can be considered a criminal act - battery). The parent did not get charged as their actions were treated as discipline, where as the child was arrested. This is just some minor information that led to department's intervention and eventually the children being removed from the parent's custody. Could Factitious Disorder by Proxy expand beyond the faking of illness of a child and be displayed through attention given to the parent/guardian by the criminal justice system? Or would this just be considered abuse?
Gamestopgirl29 Hey, I’m not a psychologist, but I’m pretty sure that my mother has this condition. It did not involve illness, but she would always “save” my brother and I. As in, she would never help us with anything, but when we failed then she would swoop in and “save”. The problem is that often she was causing the problems. Like she would give me bad advise, I would go and do what she said and fail, then she would go around to relatives and her co workers, even bosses I had, and talk about how she has to help me, and my brother, that we can’t do anything without her. I could give a number of examples, but won’t. So, I would say the situation you described is the same thing, parents causing a situation the hurts the child, that they use to get attention. I think limiting to just causing illness is really limiting and can hurt people.
My mom would do this and she had this disorder. Told nobody the started the attack but showed everyone the bruises she received because "her child was out of control for no reason" and she might call the police to file a report. (Poor me, look at what I have to deal with behavior just to get some empathy)
@@debbienpeters TBH that sounds like narcissistic personality disorder. Not factitious disorder by proxy. But still devastating none the less. Sorry for that.
Ohhhh scary for all. It's quite shocking, and complex. However, there was a solution, that was implemented in remedy in that case.
She shouldn't be in jail. I grew up in a abusive family and its my firm beleave that its fair play to protect yourself. Putting someone who did the right thing into prison is abuse. Shame on society.
Same over here. Luckily I was able to completely distance myself from my parents, but not everyone has the opportunity to do so.
Surely I can't be the only one to INSTANTLY crack a grin the second I hear "Hey everybody! Happy Thursday" Easily the happiest and most informative YT channel on here!
Great video! However, I hate that this disorder exists because I have Lyme disease and before it was diagnosed it probably looked like my mom and I were "faking" my illness because of the strange and confusing symptoms. Sometimes people just have werid conditions but doctors dismiss them as crazy. This also happens with Ehlers Syndrome a lot.
I’m so sorry to hear you’re going through this. I work in the medical field and work with mainly specialty cases. I’ve seen several patients w/ advanced Lyme Disease & the effects can be devastating. Most people don’t know how serious it can get and I was shocked myself when I first worked with patients who had it. I hope you are feeling better!
You're great Kati i recommend you to anyone who ask about therapy to me. You're just great!!
Thank you for always informing and educating people Kati❤️. Love the videos (and your shirt)
Of course!!! And awe thanks!! xoxo
Hi Katie, thank you for making a video on this subject. I am very interested in factitious disorder because I believe my mother exhibits symptoms of it. Her whole life she has used various illnesses and injuries to gain sympathy and attention; always playing the victim. As a child, I too was always in and out of the hospital and I believe that was because my mother was again trying to gain sympathy by having a sick child.
However, I genuinely believe she also has narcissistic personality disorder, so my question is: is there evidence of a connection between these two disorders, or is it possible she suffers from two separate issues? She has always been incredibly charismatic and manipulative, using people as pawns to get what she wants. I have always seen the illness issue as part of her manipulation. But perhaps she also has factitious disorder, and that just strengthens her ability to manipulate. I’m an adult now, and have very little contact with her, but I do always worry because it’s like the boy who cried wolf... I want to be able to help her when she genuinely is ill, but never know if I can trust her. And there is no chance in getting her any kind of help or therapy because she doesn’t believe there is anything wrong with her behaviour.
Thank you for taking the time to read this. You do really fantastic work.
My mother is exactly the same. She's sick, in a wheelchair now, and part of me wants to be there for her... but, she's beyond toxic and bitter, so I'm taking a break in communication with her right now. I was always sick as a child, rushed to hospitals, with no clue or reason as to why I was sick. The last time I got sick (at age 29), I knew it was the LAST TIME it would happen, as my mother was disappointed and not happy that the hospital staff wasn't paying much attention to her and was focused on me - the patient, with odd serious symptoms. And sure enough, I never got mysteriously ill again and when I moved from Philly to Minnesota - my health completely improved. I was once diagnosed with major heart issues in Philly, but seemingly magically, all signs of that have been erased and I have a strong functioning heart now. The only difference is that I no longer live with my mother.
Anyway, my point is... it's scary that there are mothers like this out there in the world. And I wanted to let you know that you're not alone, ginkoknit! I wish you a very awesome day! ^_^
My mum told people throughout my childhood that I had a gluten allergy that I was lactose intolerant, that I suffered from low blood suger, that I was sensitive to suger. She was convinced I had autism. When my regular doctor told her I didn't meet the criteria she spent £1000 to get me diagnosed privately telling the psychologist I had no friends and had all these problems I didn't have, I had loads of friends when I was 11. When I was 13 she restricted my diet not letting me have anything to eat all day apart from a green smoothie. When I became severely under weight she did take me to the doctor. The doctor told me that I needed to eat everything that would make me gain weight because my bmi was 15 at the time. After this my mum convinced everyone in our community that I had an eating problem and brought this on myself. No one believed me when I spoke out I was 13 and they all believed her because she was so good at portraying the sweet mother act. She refused to let me be vaccinated against cervical cancer when I was 12 and told me that if my friends got vaccinated they could die. I went to school terrified the next day that my friends would die.
Only now at 24 years old I am seeing the reality of what she put me through not to mention that she use to hit and punch me frequently as a child mostly if I disagreed with her. I'm currently suffering with a chronic illness pots syndrome, anxiety and depression. I've finally understood that my issues come from my childhood but didn't realize it at the time and even though my mum was no where near as bad as gypsys her story has helped me see what my mum was truly like. I hope when gypsy comes out of prison she can help other people who have been through similar things to her. Watching the act helped me realize what my mum was truly like!
yesss!! I was hoping you would do a video on this! Your videos always make my day :)
Thanks for finally making a shorter vid! ^-^ I haven't been able to focus long enough to watch the past videos that are 10+ minutes lol
Awesome informative video Kati❤️☺️✅
This is what Eugenia Cooney's mom has. Someone has to save Eugenia from her:(
Kati, So glad to see you did a video on this subject. I had a friend who has munchhausen's and I kept asking her to see a councelor but she would feel like I too was out to get her.... it ended our friendship. Last night I came upon a animal rescue channel,, RESCUE IN PUBLIC where after watch several of his videos I am convinced this guy has M. by proxy only with tiny helpless kittens! He's a bad actor, and who has someone following them around ALL the time videoing them??? These kittens are always alone, and look to be around 5-6 weeks in age.... I reported him to You Tube just now, and wanted to get clear on M. by proxy....
Will you look @ this man's videos, and see if what I'm saying is true, and then also report him? I want to find exactly where he's at so I can call an animal wellfare and report what he's doing. His channel says united Kingdom, but does that include Philipines, Myramar, Thailand, etc.??? HE and where these vids are being made are clearly in some tropical country not England, etc. It makes me sick that people do this. I think he wants the money from YT and wants to be thought of as a hero.. I sure don't think their veterinary help is legit either.. Please write back to me on my e-mail.... Thank you so much! Nancy
My mom had it. I'm 45, & still screwed up. I loved her, but what she did was selfish. She should have either fixed her own life before having kids, or not have had any at all.
So stupid that this video isn't monetizeable, it's so interesting! And your video's are helping so many people! UA-cam should know by now how your channel is educational and helping people and has nothing to do with violence or whatever. I'm sorry I'm only one the one dollar tier for the last month but when I get my shit together again I will upgrade my tier again to support you more. You are awesome Kati!
Sadly growing up one of my aunt's friends had muchausen by proxy. I vaguely remember being told her mother had it too and that's how people knew to look out for it with her having her own kid. But Initially noone really noticed or atleast i remember the rationalisations of her distress, after all it was her first baby and everyone understands how scary and nerve wracking it can be. But as he little boy just wasn't hitting targets and was always very pale, ate little, etc etc it became increasingly worrying. The friends and family tried to help explain to her with her doctors that everything was okay but he was malnourished due lack of available food, she believed anything he ate would potentially kill him, he was allergic to everything and he was weak etc (not untrue by this point). He was 4years old before social services stepped in, they did try to help and get her help etc etc. But sadly it wasn't enough. I'm unsure on all the details but she started leaving him at home and disappearing, she disappeared for two days, he ended up with the neighbours. By the time she came back he'd been taken away. In the end (the last I heard and saw him) he was adopted by the neighbours, name changed, and my gosh the difference a few months and a few good meals makes. He adjusted to his new life while his mum got the treatment she needed although I've not heard of them ever since.
Could you make a video on hypochondria (or 'illness anxiety disorder' I assume it's called too)?
Haha as someone with hypochondria, I would definitely appreciate a video too!
Thank you so much. I think had a lot to do with my childhood abuse.
I am so sorry you had to go through that.. I hope this was helpful in some way :) xoxo
I was literally just watching the act thank you!! This is so interesting
Oh yay!! I hope it was helpful :) xox
This case is so shocking. 😟
You're flippin awesome and relatable. Thank you for the down to earth explanation.
Gypsy didn't really deserve to go to prison because all her life, she was in an actual prison because of her mother constantly abusing her. That's not okay.
It was also a plot point in The Sixth Sense.
Also, why did they change the name?
@@AmbrosiaSaladSandwich Right? I haven't watched the shows she mentioned bc I don't have access to them, but TONS of people have seen The Sixth Sense and it's one of those movies that sticks with you.
In medicine of all sorts there’s been a move away from referring to almost any given condition by the name of the person who discovered it to more precise names that are actually descriptive of the disorder. As a medical student I am thankful for this trend, as it’s extremely difficult to memorize a bunch of old white guys’ names and associate them with complicated conditions. It’s much easier to learn thousands of medical syndromes and diseases when the name tells you what the chief problem is.
Thank you for sharing this information. It was very eazy to understand
This keeps coming up in my recommends... But I can't make it past the 2 minute mark. I've been out of my mother's care since I was 14 and I'm now 31 and I still cannot even hear the words munchausen's by proxy without my stomach flipping over. Like I said I haven't watched the entire video but the trauma that follows victims of parents with this disorder never ends. I never trust myself when I think that I'm sick I never trust doctors or symptoms or medications because I always feel like there are unnecessary because of what I went through as a child. I'm still in counseling I have children of my own and this will never ever leave me. For the love of everything youtube how many times do I need to click "not interested" for this video to not pop up 😓?!
Robynsonfire I’m so sorry that you had to g through that. It seems like it’s something that weighs heavy on your mind but it CAN get better with the right help. Please reach out to a mental health professional. They can help you process what happened to you and move past it. ❤️
Scary stats, thanks for sharing this info.
Of course.. I hope it's helpful :) xoxo
susy0007 Just FYI I asked Kati to clarify on Twitter if this is 9% of ALL children or 9% of children w/ parents w/ this condition. Her response:
“9% of children who fall victim to Factitious Disorder by Proxy.”
Great video!! I learned a lot. Have you ever thought about doing a review video on The Act? I feel like it definitely brought awareness to Factitious Disorder by Proxy but in the process I feel like they stigmatized other things, such as ASD. They also apparently didn't ask Gypsy or her family for consent when making the series.
I live for Kati Morton saying "happy thursday." Always makes me smile. 😊
People need awareness of that one my parents act like this sometimes
Welcome...Love to hear you say this
Awe yay!! xoxo
just found this channel and it's amazing!!
I remember learning about this watching House.
Could anyone do the same thing - would it be considered the same type of sickness - not by claiming someone is physically ill but is mentally ill by verbally, mentally, emotionally abusing someone, gaslighting someone, then convincing others the abused, tormented, terrified, quiet person is insane? This disease is usually physical, but I've known someone whom I suspect was called crazy for unknown reasons by an emotionally abusive, insecure, stressed, narcissistic parent. I know about the identified patient, but this is even more severe.
Emuna Bee I think making someone out to have mental illness when they don’t definitely counts as abuse. I’m not sure if it would fall under the diagnosis of Munchausen’s by Proxy or if it would be more the result of having a narcissistic parent doing this to try to control you. Either way, both are manipulative and abusive.
As a pediatric nurse. I’ve seen this a few times. It was horrible the things this mother was doing to her child.
So medical staff knew about it & didn't participate?
I know a lot of people bristled at the fact that she got ten years in prison. I don’t think the Justice system knew how to handle her case.
I love your video this is very important and interesting.😘
Hey kati thanks fo covering this topic I was just about to ask!
(You uploaded this on my birthday to 😁)
At 7:18 Kati seems to repeat what she just said again but as if it's a different take, I have a feeling it was missed in editing because I almost missed it too and just thought I needed to go back thinking I heard something wrong.
Just wanting to help out the editors! 😊
That seems to be linked to narcissistic personality disorder in the highest degree. It's torture.
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9%!?!? Die!?!?!? That's incredibly high, this makes me feel like I need to be more observant about other parents. 😨
UltraHuman just FYI, I asked Kati to clarify on Twitter if this is 9% of ALL children or 9% of children w/ parents w/ this condition. Her response:
“9% of children who fall victim to Factitious Disorder by Proxy.”
@@_just_TK thank you for the clarification! That's still a lot but makes sense given the severity of the symptoms and actions involved.
I am going to college in a few months to study psychology, and I am hoping I get an opprotunity to study this mental disorder further.
It's hard to call the parent out on it, because nobody wants to accuse the parent of the sick child of faking it. And the child has been groomed since birth to say they are sick and to keep up the story.
Kids take meds that make them have certain side effects that are common for certain illnesses, even suck on matches to get a stomach ache, and are told to tell the doctor they are really sick and to exaggerate symptoms. Simply for attention for the parent, free items, and attention.
This poor girl shouldn't be in prison. The boyfriend should, he enjoyed murdering this woman. The daughter desperately wanted out.
I followed this story when the news originally broke and gypsy was still a missing disabled child! I remember the shock and awe as the news continued to break and gypsy walked into the courthouse. And then seeing the interviews since then when she appears perfectly healthy and pretty. It blows my mind!
Your video help me to overcome my complex ptsd and I'm so thankful and I love you so much u change my life and you always help me to overcome my social anxiety that's why I'm so thankful of you just do this and make people's life beautiful and I'm also studying psychology to help everyone
Awe I am so glad I could be a helpful resource!!! xoxo You are going to make an amazing therapist :) xoxo
@@Katimorton thanks for your support love you
I remember a Law and Order SVU episode about this ..a grandmother and a littel girl...
Clair D if u follow her Instagram stories you’d know Kati is an obsessive Law & Order fan so I’m sure she’s seen that episode! 😹
@@_just_TK yeah i saw she watches it. Im constantly referring to law and order svu..all my legal knowledge comes from that show :P
Yes and it was about false sexual abuse too
This scares me so much...! I remember when I was little I was sick ALL the time..I couldn't understand why...turns out being in an abusive household will entertain and nurture sicknesses.. decades later.. my kids used to think I was a bad parent because I rarely take them to doctors.. I mean..they are healthy & awesome..
Ah yes the mother in Sharp Objects has this! Great video Kati ❤️
The most terrifying part of this situation is that the victim's surrounders don't notice the mother's illness. But I think there is a worse case, for example in Sharp Objects where the father knows that her wife is abusing their child, but he pretends that everything is fine...
I clicked this video SO fast. I have wanted to know more about this sense I watched The Act
You should also do a video on this topic but specifically when it is a psychological condition being imposed as well as one on the crossover between Munchausen by proxy with Narcissism.
Honestly, I am glad she didn't lose her life to her mother. I believe what happened was to enable her to live, her mother would have either killed her or died from her diabetes anyway. She was not taking care of herself so I believe if she didn't eventually kill Gypsy while making her seem like she had cancer, she would have probably killed herself.
You are amazing 💗
Hi Kati, I am so interested in this topic at the moment and have been reading a lot of books about it, and some real case studies. It is a fascinating disorder.
awesome video as always. I was wondering if you would consider doing a coffee and a chat video about this case specifically? I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on it. I’ve been interested in this case for a while and would like to hear other people’s perspectives on it.
Hi, unfortunately, the video was deemed as not monetizable and therefore it ends up being a topic that takes more effort than ultimately is worth... The sad economics of being a UA-cam video producer.... ugh.... Thanks for the kid words about the video, I appreciate them and you for watching :) I hope your weekend is nice :)
Happens to adults, vulnerable or elderly.
9-10% of children who are victims of factitious disorder by proxy die because of the abuse, but not 9-10% of ALL children die because they're somehow affected by a disorder with a lower prevalence than that. I thought that was worded a little unclearly the two times that it came up. At first I was completely shocked and wondered where the 1/10 "sick" and dying children were among the people I knew.
I never knew this was a thing. This is so shocking and disturbing to me, especially because it harms so many children! 😟
is it possible to completely fake having depression? i can end up constantly telling myself that i’m not sick and that i don’t deserve or need any help because i’m faking it and i’m trying to fool myself and others... or is that just the depression talking trying to make me feel even worse about myself? idek anymore
Ciaza sounds like intrusive thoughts, it’s a form of anxiety! Anxiety and depression go hand in hand sometimes. It can fall into like obsessive thoughts
I personally at one point thought it was all in my head.... Because it is... I didnt 100% grasp what depression does to you untill I was put into in patient .... But you should talk to a therapist they'd be able to refer you to the right help
While it is possible to fake having depression, I don‘t think that applies to your situation... I had very similar thoughts when I was depressed, and it is the depression telling you that you are not deserving, and constantly putting you down. If you did fake depression in an FD sense, you would know you faked it and you probably wouldn‘t think about it this way, as you would be too concerned with keeping up the facade of being ill.
I hope you receive the help you need