I've had a few questions about the prices of these cards since posting this video so I thought it would be good to provide an update. It has been nearly two months (3/22/24) since Nvidia released the 4080 Super for $999 and AMD has not officially dropped the price of the 7900 XTX, with the reference model selling on their website store for $999, so the data is still valid. That said, it appears that many of AMD's board partners have decided to drop the price of the 7900 XTX with models on Newegg ranging from $899 (MSI Gaming) to $1,059 (Sapphire Nitro+). As I stated in this video, $899 should be the new price for the reference 7900 XTX, and at that price it would offer better value. For the 4080 Super, availability of the Founder's Edition has been spotty at best, with no availability showing currently. There have been multiple drops at BestBuy and on the Nvidia online shop, however it appears they sell out rapidly. At Newegg the cheapest model available is $1,099 (Zotac AMP Extreme), which is a $100 premium over the base MSRP. To most people price matters, and as with any analysis you should take current conditions into consideration when making a purchasing decision ... at current pricing the cheapest available 7900 XTX is $200 less than the cheapest available 4080S, which IMO would make it a better choice.
I like how ever reviewer says dont get the 7900xtx at that price. Only vet ot if it's 100 dollars cheaper. Well, it's 200 cheaper. Cause it's hard as all get out to find a 4080 super, let alone one a msrp. Most are going for 1200 or more. So with that logic, why not buy an xtx. That extra 200 can go towards games or upgrades.
I agree with you … I purchased both of these cards myself at $999, so that’s how I ran my tests. In my earlier 4080 vs 7900xtx review I recommended the 7900xtx … it’s a great card. I try my best not to be biased and let the data do the talking. Thanks for watching!
I have the same card and IMO it’s the best 7900 xtx you can buy. I compared that against the 4080 strix in one of my earlier videos and it was the better value card by far. Great choice!
I bought a Gigabyte 7900 XTX open box at best buy for $840 last April and the card has been pretty good with passable ray tracing but sounds like a jet engine under load. On my secondary PC I'm upgrading a 3080 with a 4070 TI for $625 at Dell(after $100 rebate). Hopefully the 4070 TI is quiet as it is going in an SFC NZXT H1(v2) that I really like.
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks but I don't think I can do that with the card under warranty. I'm trying to undervolt it and see if that helps. I've used the warranty once when the video signal was all wonky after the PC came out of sleep and would work fine after a reboot.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button. All of the driver settings, overclock, screen and video capture, game launcher, etc all on one location. Also the 24gb Vram vs the 16Vram will help to future proof the card better. In hogwarts legacy i have seen Vram usage go over 15gb on 4k max setting. People on the 3080 10gb are already having issues on their cards. This will become a bigger issues as time goes on.
Great comment. I agree with your statement on Adrenalin … it really is fantastic software and it is way ahead of what Nvidia currently offers … so much so that Nvidia is now developing a new app to copy it. I upgrade hardware relatively frequently so for me VRAM has never been an issue but I can understand how it potentially could be in the future.
By the time 24gb is needed, both GPUS will be obsolete.. the 7900xtx has more VRAM, the 4080 supers vram is a tiny bit faster. GDDR6X. I'd rather have the faster VRAM No GPU is future proof But God you're right about adrenaline, I love it. And I'll miss it with nividia. If only amd could get their shit together with ray tracing, and Better FSR support in games. They would be perfect.
@dakbassett neither card will be obsolete for awhile. The extra vram, and higher 385 bus gives around a 6% lead in 4k in a multi game benchmark over the 4080 super. But at 4k you'll want to turn on upscalling, and DLSS will be a far better option, you can use both FSR and DLSS. Plus ray tracing is possible at 4k, with DLSS on. It's insane. But both cards are amazing. The extra 6% can be helpful, I guess.
And the invidia software is not very intuitive. I currently have a nvidia card, but have built some pcs with amds for friends and have been very happy with the easy to use (epsecially for non-enthusiasts) amd software
I'm proud owner of 7900XTX nitro + and I love it , my previous card was 1060 3 gb so the jump is huge. no crashes so far only in Heldivers 2 but my friends also have crushes and play on different models of cards. One minus is that coil whine is super annoying but im not sure if it is gpu or psu.
I literally have to return my 7900xtx because it’s consuming up to 450 watts well gaming for extended time and literally blows the fuse in my breaker box when anyone else is using electricity on same breaker it’s insanely inefficient
I think AMD pushed these cards higher than they would have liked to compete better, hence the high power draw. You might want to get an electrician to come out and check your wiring .. shouldn’t have this issue with a 450W power draw.
@@blackbirdpctech true. However im not sure if 0 power limit means the standard nonoc consumption. Cause on that my asus tuf hasnt gone beyond some 330ish wattage.
@@laszlodajka5946 I haven't really ever looked into to dropping the power limit, so I will have to investigate further. For Asus cards, both Nvidia and AMD, I use GPU Tweak III to mess with my settings ... you should give it a try since you have a TUF model.
THe combined percentage differences at the end of the game benchmarks is something I haven't seen anyone else do and is so simple yet extremely effective. Also, kudos for doing it with 1% lows as well. I would argue 1% lows are as important or more important than averages in determining how smooth gameplay will be.
This was an incredibly helpful video as someone shopping around the 800-1000 dollar price range. I think I’m gonna go with the sapphire nitro+ XTX. Open box models can be had for around $850… compared to 4080 supers or higher end models of the 4080 like the amp extreme which is in a similar price range. They are extremely similar cards. But besides the two outliers of Avatar and cyberpunk… they look even more identical. I think it comes down to which you can find for a better deal, and if u really care about maxing out ray tracing - which I frankly don’t.
Thank you and I’m glad I was able to help. I reviewed the nitro in one of my earlier videos … it’s a great card that I am using in my production rig … you will love it!
Good video! Sadly the 4080 Super is motly $1129 and up (only one model currently below $1,100. We are not getting the promised price. Alot of us saw that coming. Many 7900XTX are now below $1,000. 1 is $910 another is $930 with 6 models all under $1,000 right now. On average, it's looking like the 7900XTX is $200 less than the 4080 Super. Which makes it a really good looking option. Does not have the wierd Power connector which is a bonus and more VRAM which may or may not matter in a few years. From a bang for buck standpoint I see them as a draw.
Still got 7900 xtx because i am tired of ngreedia, Had them all, FX 5200, GTS 450, 550,GTX 770, 1050ti,1070ti,1080,1080Ti, 2060,2070,2080,3060,3070,3080 and even rtx 4090 last year, but it had faulty heatsink it was suprim x model, used it like that for a month after returning it and getting money back, decided to stick with my 3080 which i had for almost 3 years and it died after christmass, how ironic. Been building pc's for everybody locally and been giving them AMD gpu's and those tend to age better generation later. Now 7900 xtx nitro plus is in my system and its absolute beast of overclocker, 2750mhz memory, 2950mhz core with 1v undervolt gave me 34707 graphics score in timespy, compared to reference model at stock it's like +19% of gain.
I found on my RX6950XT I can run the 3Dmark benches you named but if the OC is to high the basic TimeSpy it will error out as the GPU core clock will scale to high.
This is a great video. Hitting sub button and thanks for the info! Still going with 7900xtx paired with a 7700x; I have had a great time with Amd in the last 3 years building my pc's and the families. Used Nvidia for 15 or more years and finally gave up on their pricing. Not too mention Amd has closed the gap hugely in quality.
Yeah, pricing has gotten out-of-control lately … we desperately need more competition … hopefully Intel can come through with Battlemage. Thanks for watching!
Nice video but can't really find any rtx for 999 lol, atleast where i live. It's still 100 bucks more expensive than the xtx. I think it comes down to if you wanna use rt and/or dlss. I believe at that price point, it's kind of pointless not to go for the nividia model considering those 2 features. That being said they should fix their pricing and stop being stingy with VRAM.
Another good review, buddy. While the MSRP's may be the same, good luck finding a 4080 Super for $999. The 1% lows for the 7900 XTX in Avatar are terrible. I've only played that game on a 7800 XT, but that kind of thing is something I did not notice. Could there be something fishy going on there? That game ran exceptionally @ 4k on my 7800 XT and the XTX should be even better. Regardless, I guess it's time for an AMD price cut. Considering the 7900 XT has come down as far as it has, you gotta think they'd sell more XTX's with a 10% discount! Or give us more powa, AMD!!! We are thirsty for another flagship product from AMD that MEETS the RTX 4090 levels of performance!!!
Thanks and yes, that’s why I removed it from the last gaming efficiency chart … I think it’s the latest driver … I had issues running the COD MW3 benchmark with the latest driver, so that’s my guess. Will install the latest beta driver and see if it fixes things … if it does I will post an update. Great comment … appreciate your insight.
@@imyournme6632 I believe that is only for the next generation ... they are gearing up for the 9000 series which will coincide with the launch of the new generation of consoles ... I believe that they plan to compete at the high-end again but that they are waiting until they can deliver a knockout blow.
@@imyournme6632I believe the plan is for AMD to skip 1 generation of high end cards, with the highest end RDNA 4 card not being any better than the current 7900 XTX, but more power efficient. But, my understanding is that the plan is to roll out the heavier artillery the following generation so that they don't get technologically skunked. I'm pulling for some competition in the market to bring flagship product pricing back to sane levels.
@@CourageOO7I was able to dig into this more and it’s a result of the settings that I used, not the driver. I ran the game with upscaling turned on but NOT frame gen. So I used DLSS for the 4080S and FSR3 for the 7900 XTX. Unfortunately the game will only allow you to turn frame gen on with FSR 3, not DLSS. So moving forward I am going to run the game with frame gen on and off, which means running Nvidia cards with fsr3 turned on versus dlss … obviously not ideal.
Here in Europe the cheapest RX7900XTX is 969€ including 21% VAT. The cheapest RTX4080 Super is 1085€ including 21%VAT in the Netherlands. Still i have the 4080 S and would chose it over AMD every single time. Had so much horror experience with AMD. Driver issues always. So glad with my 4080 S is rock solid. Had the RX7900XT and sold it for this card and eventhough loosing money i am very happy. No more AMD for me! Had a 5700XT driver issues, 6800XT and 6700XT same driver issues. Had a 5900X ryzen 9 that was ok most of the times but still not rock solid. Tried twice the 7800X3D that just did not want to work stable. Now happy with my Intel I7-14700KF and my Asus tuf gaming 4080 Super!
I haven’t experienced driver issues with AMD GPU’s, so perhaps I’ve been lucky. I also have multiple 7800X3D’s and they are great. That said, my primary gaming rig is a 14900k, 8000MT/s ram and 4090 … if you know how to tweak bios you can extract amazing performance from Intel CPU’s … but they do use a lot more power. Thanks for watching!
Hi, great videos you make, thumbs up!! I was wondering if you are thinking of updating this video in particular given the tremendous increase in performance AMD has given to its cards with the latest driver. Keep up the good work. Thanks
Thank you! I wasn't planning to update this comparison but it would be interesting ... I might take a look at a few games and see if there is a meaningful change (latest drivers vs latest drivers). Appreciate your support.
And this is how its done also why i cant choose the 7900xtx its to close in raster with eachother when averaging everything out and I get the extra tech.
@@blackbirdpctech I agree got the strix 4080 super because of it and I paid 1029 for a strix to me the extra 29 dollars was worth it lol. Instead of 1200 for a strix. I'm happy af I found one that price.
4080 super only supports 144 Mhz refresh rate without display port 2.1 support. Also the 24 GB VRAM ups the textures ability plus it probably ages better. I have serious doubts as to what card to choose from these two. Do I want RT - I am not sure I need it - I feel like the VRAM is more futureproof, but that is just a gut feeling. I am a little annoyed by the powerdraw of the 7900 xtx - can you something with that in undervoltning?
4080 super support 144Hz refresh rate and above as long as it can handle it, the 144Hz lock is probably some article that tells you that when using it in high resolution screen like 4k. Also don't simple add M in Hz. 144 MHz is 144000000 Hz
The 4080 can support higher refresh rates … hdmi 2.1 has higher bandwidth than dp 1.4. Ray tracing generates much better quality graphics when compared with rasterization, which shows 3d images in 2D using polygons. I don’t think the extra vram is valuable at this level, especially if you upgrade your gpu every 2-3 years. You could undervolt a 7900xtx but you would obviously lose performance. It’s not a bad thing to have tough decisions, it means the competition is good.
@@zobanzthat’s true, the 7000 series are the only cards that support DP 2.1, which I think was an oversight by Nvidia … they should have included the newer standard on their cards.
Not much of a difference and you got radeon chill which will lower power useage over time in radeons favour. Also the cost of power in europe is over blown. When i can get a 7900xtx for 3-200 euro less then the nvidia fake msrp its a no brainer you buy the 7900xtx
@@mercurio822 I paid 100 euro more on the 4080S FE. By the time i upgrade the power consumption has easily doubled my return on the upfront price. What are you talking about "overblown" wtf are you smoking we had 70 cents per KWh in Austria last year. Absolutely insane upwards of 120+ euro a year on difference if you game a couple hours a day.
Huh? I undervolted mine and it draws 280W on full load without performance loss. Never getting hotter than 50C°. Less power draw than a stock 4080 while performing better.
@nme6632after tuning my 7900xtx im down 30-50w in full load. i also have a bound electric price and not variable price so suck it you got a shitty deal. both on your card and your electric price.
Hay man just saw this video as my first time, instead of saying your a former rocket scientist, say your the Rocket man or something, just a suggestion, other then that thanks for the informative video.
If you’re undervolting the XTX it’s kind of silly and you should just buy the XT and save some $$. You’re literally disabling the feature of XTX by undervolting and turning it into an XT
@@josephs.7496 Not necessarily, I undervolted my 7900 xtx and increased the power limits by 25%. The gpu was hitting over 3000 mhz... and consuming 450 watts of electricity.
I agree … there will always be scenarios like that to take into consideration … my friend just plays MS Flight Sim and an X3D cpu is required for that game … the performance boost is amazing. Thanks for watching!
I like Nvidia hardware but I hate them as a company and I refuse to contribute to/further their market share. I currently run an ASRock PG 7900XT and I have been very happy with it! It may even be my all-time favorite card.
I think many people feel the same way … great products but terrible pricing. People gave Nvidia credit for cutting the price of the 4080 but the reality is they only did that because of strong competition from the 7900XTX. I really like the 7900XT as well … I tested it against a 4070 Ti Super in my recent video and it performed great. Appreciate your comment and thanks for watching!
@@blackbirdpctech Agreed, they only dropped the price on the 4080 due to the competition, not because it was 1.5 year old fab or because the card was overpriced to begin with. I picked up my 7900XT somewhat recently, it was that for $700 or a 4070ti Super for $850. I don't see how the 4070ti Super is $150 better than a 7900XT, especially considering I only own like 2 RT titles (Dying Light 2 and Spiderman Miles Morales) and I prefer to run native res. I like ASRock too, my PG 7900XT matches my PG B550-itx/ax motherboard. I've had nothing but good experiences with their products.
Only thing i dissagree with is that overlocking is free performace becuade it isnt.... i have the standard 4080, i can get a really good stable overclock on it that trabslates to about an extra 5% in games. It does however then start to pull nearly 400 watts...... its not free performance and its not worth doing.
You are correct, I overlooked the fact that the card will draw more power when overclocked, so it’s not technically free. That said the performance boost you get will be heavily dependent on silicon lottery, so for some it may be worth it and for others not so much … but the only way you will know is to try it. Appreciate your comment.
I recently tried the PowerColor Red Devil RX 7900 XTX. While AMD drivers tend to improve over time, I experienced more crashes and driver issues than with Nvidia cards in the past. Unfortunately, the RX 7900 XTX I had died completely after 14 days. I returned it and bought an RTX 4090, which hasn't had any problems. Now that I'm building a second gaming PC, I'm considering the RX 7900 XTX again if I can find a good price. Otherwise, I'll likely go with the RTX 4080 Super.
Given that you already have a 4090 I would get a 7900 XTX but I would recommend the Sapphire Nitro+ … it’s a fantastic card … in fact the video I’m releasing next week will show a max OC 7900 XTX Nitro against a stock 4090 FE … results are definitely interesting.
Nice rig for your kids … I promised my daughter I would build a PC with her … might do a video on it for the channel … will be a good way to show people just how easy it is.
yehat that sounds awesome. building pc is easy when you know how to do it. i have done it for my self, friend and family for the past 20 years. And to this day i still love it just as much as i enjoy using them.
The 4080 super is only really a good deal if you can find one at MSRP. It feels like nvidia did a paper launch without any tangible amount of supply cause its driving all of the prices up to $1400 or significantly more.
Don't want anything with AMD GPU Anymore, poor driver support especially for VR. NVDIA just cant find one card at MSRP unless buy some random Manufacturer. Stuck with GTX1080 for the last 6 years... I have no choice to go NVDIA for the games im playing. Dont want to risk buying a 4090 either with all the drama and failures happening currently (gpu sagging, melting, scams and on top of that dead on delivery...). Seems unacceptable and foolish investment to upgrade these days at these price tags despite having the money. I want at least a 4080 to pair with my 7800X3D but so far no luck, a founders edition even better if i want to build a SFX with it.
I live next to a micro center I think this goes back years Its why I always end up with AMD cards. They are Never marked up as much as Nvidia and actually I always got mine open box returns. years ago I got a 5700xt around 300 and 2070s at that time where 500 or more Same with my 6900XT red devil Bought it for 630 Open Box when at the the time 3080s &3090s still costed way more than msrp
Honestly think you should have split up the Overclock How to and information, in its own video. The only reason I clicked on this was to see the comparison. You could have made a special bit in this Versus video including the final Overclocking results and pointed to a title card that was Another video where you go into the OC part (so technically you could have made 2 video uploads from this one), that way for those that wanted that information can see it there and even those specifically searching OC knowledge could have found that video in there you could have pointed to THIS video (double the views, more coverage). I dont want to tell you how to upload your content but on UA-cam, Content is King, so I can see you put a lot of effort in this video but I honestly just want to seek through the timeline to get to the versus part because I am in the midst of upgrading but have no real wants to Overclock. Great video nonetheless, I am really leaning towards the XTX as its more futureproof compared to the 256-bit bus on the 4080S, I totally feel NV is pulling some anti-consumer crap here and crippling this card to make the 50-series stand out when it comes out. XX80 should have 320-bit bus. I have the RTX 3080 and its fine and all but I am not mainly playing on a 4k monitor and almost every game needs to be turned down or abuse DLSS.
I appreciate your comment and I agree with your recommendation. I've been trying to add high value bonus content but what I've realized is that for it to work it needs to be really well aligned with the main title and thumbnail ... if I have to expand the title to highlight the bonus content then it shouldn't be in there and/or should be a separate video. So thanks for the feedback, it's actually really helpful to get this type of feedback from viewers because it helps me improve my content. Wrt buying one of these cards I would simply focus on performance and cost ... I don't think either one of these cards will be futureproof given that next gen cards will likely be here in Q4. At the moment you can buy a 7900 XTX for much less than a 4080 Super and if you compare at the same price, you can get a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX at about the same price as a 4080S Founder's Edition. The Sapphire Nitro+ is an amazing card that can overclock extremely well ... I tested it against a 4090 in my latest video and it won some rounds ... pretty impressive.
I have a 4080 super and I'm able to get 130fps+ at Native 4K with extreme settings with fidelity FXcas which sharpening if any was enabled in this test?
we can say if you like to play with ray / pathtracing you need a RTX if you dont want to play with very nice Graphics and play futur games with bad graphics (because thats what it is without path/ray tracing) you can pick a radeon card
Unfortunately that is somewhat true although AMD is rapidly improving … AFMF is a good step but they need better hardware acceleration of RT … my hope is that they will have a true competitor for Nvidia with their 9000 series cards.
Just looking at the game scores. Cyberpunk for instance is RT on, but the 4080 wouldn’t do those numbers natively. Any chance you had DLSS on and Frame generation? Something that until FSR3 is implemented in the game is not fair comparison. So wouldn't doing both Native be the better show case? (No DLSS/FSR2)
I had dlss and fsr on in cyberpunk and avatar. That’s why I removed those games to show pure rasterization performance in the final gaming average chart. It’s fair because it’s real … it shows that AMD is behind … I would argue that if we wait until the latest tech from AMD is ready, then that’s not reasonable … people that are buying cards today will want to see what the performance is today, not what it might be in the future. That said I’m a big supporter of AMD, but I have a responsibility to make recommendations based on the data.
@@blackbirdpctechFully agree, I just mean your heading should state that in the chart. For a true comparison though and end scoring, Native would have been the better options to go with in everything. As it shows a more accurate card for card performance. DLSS and FSR performance can change with just the advent of a dll version change. For instance, some versions of DLSS 3.5.xx will do better or worse including visual quality as well as over all FPS. Same will go with FSR. Showing the two slides side by side. A Native slide and a DLSS/FSR slide would also have been clearer. But only using the Native for your overall scoring. While a good bit of extra work. It would show a clearer picture of the performance. (More a formatting change in your videos is what I am getting at) Hopefully that comes across as constritive and not negatively critical. Sorry if it does.
@@sutty101I appreciate your comment and suggestions. I did however put the settings in the chart title, for example in Cyberpunk 2077 “RT Ultra” settings automatically turn on DLSS or FSR. I disagree however that comparing these cards only in rasterization is the right way to do it because that’s not how people play games … if ray tracing is available in a game then most people will select it because it looks so much better. There are always exceptions of course, but when I test I try to capture the data to reflect what most people can expect to see.
the 7900xtx is 1500 where i live and the 4080 super is minimum 1950 for cheapest, so I've decided to buy the 7900xtx due to the 500 dollars cheaper, as stated in the video they are accentually neck in neck, cant justify spending the extra 500 for raytracing.
At that price difference I completely agree … the 7900 xtx is a great card that can also do ray tracing, so I’m sure you will be happy with the performance.
Cyberpunk max raytracing skews this comparison at the end. Most games perform better on a 7900XTX. Most games don't even use raytracing. It's a nice niche feature for NVIDIA, but they lose rasterization, memory bandwidth and VRAM and win in Raytracing. Now that FSR3 and Fluid Motion Frames is here, raytracing performance is all they have to hold on to.
@@benknapp3787no problem … fyi, I make the benchmarks available as a pdf for download on my website so you can use them without having to pause the video … they are also better quality.
@@benknapp3787glad you are part of our community … I don’t really use my website for anything other than hosting the benchmark pdf’s … I am setting up a discord server, so I should be able to host them there in the future.
@@rambosausage8881I was genuinely curious to compare a founder’s edition 4080S to a 4090 to see if the price premium is worth it … video will post Thursday … even at msrp the premium is high and shows that we need a competitor to step up so Nvidia can’t just price their cards outrageously high.
@@blackbirdpctech exactly. I love the 7900xtx. Butttttttt. It only compares to the 4080. No one makes anything to compete at the high end. It’s solely owned by Nvidia. That’s why the price is so stupid. Nothing to compete against. I really miss EVGA in this market. They were the best cards for quality and longevity.
@@thehimself4056 those Kingpin cards were amazing ... I still have a 3090 Kingpin card ... I am planning to do a retro build with it ... great looking card and performs so well.
it's impossible to find a 4080 super, 4080, or 4090 at msrp prices though. Cheapest any of these normal people usually can get are usually $100 more ($500 for 4090) due to how popular RTX gpus are; while AMD 7900xtx are generally can easily be bought for $100 below msrp, which is your suggested retail price of $900, real life practicality of buying the product should be in the video buying guide. In short, if you can buy any of the above RTX GPU products at msrp, then that is a good deal as they retain their values over time. AMD product lose their value over time greatly so if you can afford to wait for GPUs to go on sale, then go for AMD products as they tend to be significantly cheaper at the same performances. Both companies are horribly over priced their products in order to squeeze profits as sadly, this is because of the current situation in the gaming gpu market with only two players, real prices of these 4080s and AMD flagship GPUs should both be $600-$800 even account for inflations. But since Nvidia successful last 30 generation attempt at cash grab, AMD don't see the why not pricing their 7900 at $1000 msrp instead like $600 previous 6900. Thus, the best GPU to buy would be AMD last gen. 6960 xt for $600 for sane, normal person. This gpu can easily game 4k with the latest games and possibly near future games too. But since the normal gaming customer are insane and disregard prices completely, pricing and energy consumption arguments are a moot point. People just want more powa, more ray tracing on charts even though gpu power performances are so extreme right now, way more powerful any future games can demand, no one could humanly tell the different between 4080 or 4090, or RT on/off between Nvidea/AMD if they don't rely on AI third party software to churn out fps numbers for them. Games frame stutters over 60 fps is very hard to notice by most normal human eyes, and beautiful graphically new current games, in 4k, even with RT on, can be consistently beaten the 60 fps mark even by AMD 6950 xt for $600. But people will pay $1800-$2000+ for RTX 4090 because the AI tell them they get double fps performances, while visually to most human eyes it is the same. I claim this because i have two computer with AMD 6950 xt and RTX 4090 while playing Skyrim enhanced graphic mods with 4k monitors. A small stutter difference is seen in miniscule limited time in more shoot them up graphically challenged game such as while i play cyberpunk 2077. so maybe it makes a different for the tiny group of competitive gamers in games like cyberpunk 2077, but even then the different between $600 vs $1800 for that tiny bit of visual diff. in that 1% of the time in the game. Otherwise, the only differences normal people can tell is the 67 fps vs 127 fps on third party software they have running next to their screen; these numbers are really meaningless.
I appreciate your comments and I generally agree. I used the $999 msrp for both cards because that’s the price I purchased both cards at … these are not samples, I purchased both. I got the 4080 Super direct from Nvidia on launch day. There was a good amount of stock when the card launched with msrp pricing available for a few days on different variants. Now however there appears to be limited supply. When the 7900xtx launched it saw similar supply issues but now they are much easier to get. I suspect the same will happen with the 4080 Super. 4090 supply appears to have gotten much better but this card is a great low end AI option, so that impacts its availability. Nvidia has had decent supply of both cards lately, but they sell out relatively quickly. Thanks for watching and your detailed comment.
Strange every one is complaining about Nvidia and graphic cards prices but no one is talking about other computer parts. I bought 2080 ti for 1200 dollars 6 years ago and after 6 years I both 4080 s 100 $ cheaper. Card that is 2x faster then 2080 ti and witch takes only 20 watts more running 10 degrees cooler. And everyone is saying that's rip off. But from other hand I bought 6 years ago Best intel processor for 200 $ and best motherboard for 200$. Today I don't even buy best cpu for 400$. I will need to spend almost 3 times more on mobo and cpu. I think it's much more rip off then graphic.
@@evan-du3vk motherboard prices are truly out of control and the issue for me is you generally don't get anything meaningful with the higher end models, it's crazy.
Unfortunately the recent driver from AMD doesn’t implement AFMF very well … look at the results for Cyberpunk and Avatar … hopefully AMD can release a cleaned up driver that implements it better. I am excited for the technology … they just released a beta driver so I will have to re-test and see what impact it has.
@@blackbirdpctech This is not my experience at all and I don't believe people are using AFMF correctly they think it's FSR3, AFMF is driver where FSR3 is game. I have been gaming since 3dfx Voodoo 1. Since then all my cards have been Nvidia except for the R9 295x2 and now 7900xtx, AMD has a much higher learning curve than Nvidia to get the most out of the card especially if your coming from a Nvidia platform, before AFMF I would have totally agreed with your benchmarks but with AFMF used correctly no not even close
@@blackbirdpctech I don't disagree with your benchmarks at all except for saying the 4080s is of better value when leaving any AFMF and DLSS benchmarks out of the comparison. Maybe a follow up video using the same cards with AFMF and DLSS would give a different outcome, I would be more then happy to be proven wrong.
@@stevetoomer9042 fair enough ... just to be clear, I did have DLSS/AFMF on in Cyberpunk and Avatar but I don't think the AMD driver was functioning correctly because the results were poor ... I even re-tested the AMD card multiple times in Avatar just to be sure. Will try re-testing when a new non-beta driver comes out.
pause it at 9:57 and you tell me you want the 4080 super for COD MW3. Thats the only game I play and The 4080 is lagging significantly behind the 7900 XTX on this title.
That’s a fair comment but something I didn’t mention in the video because I didn’t want to create drama is that with the latest drivers I struggled to get the COD MW3 benchmark to run … the prior driver had no issues at all, so hopefully it gets fixed rapidly.
Do you realize that games are synthetic too? Benchmarks are designed with the same game engines as games. They are all synthetic … that’s the nature of simulations. So your statement makes no sense. You should definitely use benchmarks to test your stability when trying to find a stable OC. You can then test it in your favorite games, which again are themselves not “real”.
In my opinion it is still a waste of time. Triple A games are much more complex than benchmarks und place much greater strain on components. There will be big OC differences. I hope nobody will be disappointed if they have to lower the OC values again so that the game runs properly. In addition, it is also about efficiency. Often you need far too much power to achieve 1-2 FPS more.
You are entitled to your opinion but claiming it’s “totally wrong” is simply not true. A benchmark like Steel Nomad is an exceptionally good test for your gpu, as is port royal for ray tracing and FurMark for checking temps. I’ve found this approach to generate excellent results. Both Nvidia and AMD provide auto OC features in their software now, so there is clearly a demand for it.
A few things I would like to add. The AMD 7900 XTX is a NVIDIA RTX 4080 competitor not the new 4080 Super. ($999 vs $1599) 7900 XTX - NVIDIA RTX 4080 non Super! Also AMD Radeon Series 7000 is on 2nd Gen Ray Tracing while NVIDIA is on 3rd Gen. NVIDIA only cares about the Ai Server Market now not gamers, because 80% of profit is in data centers. I will continue at AMD just because its so much nicer to work for than NVIDIA.
Fair enough, if you look at my 4080 vs 7900xtx review I recommended the 7900xtx … I tested the sapphire nitro in that video and it has a superior cooler to the reference model … that’s the 7900xtx I would get (that’s the one I did get) … fantastic card!
Picked up a 4080 Super at MSRP on launch day. One thing I'm particularly impressed with is the efficiency of the card. I put a decent undervolt on it and now in games it draws about 230W-245W MAX of power and at the default fan curve hung out around 51c. I just changed it for the fans to basically spin at around 1000RPM and now the card gets to 58-62c max and I can't hear it whatsoever. That was a big deciding factor for me compared to the 7900xtx that runs a fair bit hotter and at higher power consumption.
@@blackbirdpctech xtx is powercolor and the 4080 s is gigabyte. Also will a Corsair 1000e PSU work ok or would the 4080 need some sort of new cable for the power connector on the 4080 or does it come with the power cable
Which powercolor model? A red devil for that price would be good but the 4080s will be much more power efficient. Make sure the 1000e is the 2023 variant and that should come with a 12vhpwr cable for the 4000 series cards.
No problem … if it were me I would pay extra and get the 4080S unless the xtx was a red devil or nitro, then you could invest the extra money in another ssd.
I didn't forget it, I simply chose not to mention it given that there is currently only one monitor on the market (Samsung Neo G9 Dual UHD) that can leverage the bandwidth provided by DP 2.1, and the 7900 XTX is incapable of powering it properly in most games so I don't think it's something that should be seriously considered when buying a new GPU.
@@blackbirdpctech I am getting a G9 in May (been saving Christmas money and Birthday [same day] and odd jobs for it). I got the XTX until there is a 50 series next Christmas.
@@KevinKnightCanDanceone thing to consider before getting a G9 are the new 32” 4k oled monitors coming out from Asus, Msi and Aorus … I used them at CES and they are amazing.
@@KevinKnightCanDanceI understand, it’s a beautiful monitor … I have an ark and I don’t use it … the screen is too large … dual 4k screens always sound good but I never end up using 2 screens, so for me the new 32” screens are ideal.
Genuine question, I am a big supporter of AMD and I have multiple 7900 XTX’s, but I’m struggling to see how the 7900xtx is better value when they are the same price?
24 GB VRAM is overkill. No game requires it. And by the time games will require 20 GB+ vram the xtx will be a mid range card anyways. Future proofing is an illusion
I agree … if it doesn’t help you now and in the near future, then I don’t think it really should be part of the buy equation … there are some UA-camrs out there that never play games or test hardware but emphasize things like vram … it’s misinformation.
like why would i raytrace with 60 fps if i can go 100+ fps with the 7900 xtx. Even nvidia cards cant ray trace with higfh fps yet. PLus the 8gb memory will be more future proof and wide screen proof which is essentially already more than 4k rendering. Happy i got the 7900 xtx and have 24 gb
The reason is because ray tracing generates much more life like images than rasterization that uses polygons to represent 3d images on a 2D screen. Nvidia RTX GPU’s can render RT images at high frame rates, as shown in the benchmark data. There is no such thing as future proof when it comes to pc tech, that is a myth. That said the 7900 xtx is a great gpu, but just because you own one, as I do, doesn’t mean that you should ignore the data. The 4080 super with a $200 price cut is arguably a better option, at least until AMD officially drops the price of the 7900 xtx, which I’m confident they will. Happy to look at any actual data that would suggest otherwise.
@blackbirdpctech oh yeah it might be a stretch but a ryzen 5 2600 vs ryzen 7 7800x3d would be an interesting comparison. I'm going to upgrade soon and it would be intriguing to see how big the jump in performance is 👍🏼
I really wouldn't recommend letting your GPU get to 85 degrees Celsius. I don't call that reasonable. It causes degradation to the hardware. If I'm going to spend that much on a graphics card, then I want the GPU to stay at 50 degrees Celsius.
I wouldn't be happy with that temp on my GPU core either however the chip itself is designed to operate at temperatures exceeding 90 deg C, so it won't impact the life of your GPU. When overclocking you will likely be voltage or power limited well before being temperature limited.
I have 2080 ti for 6 years and just change it for 4080 super. But 2080 ti it's still working in mine secound pc. And it was going 70 something degrees for whole those years and no degradation or any problem so far. And secound thing I don't know why people so whining about Nvidia prices. You get rt and dlss and colder, less power hungry card for 10% more really at 1000 dolar price is that big thing?? Mine overclocked is working at 65 degrees and 310 watts at peak. And I it's difficult to say if I hear processor aio or graphic card
$1365 is the cheapest 4080 super on newegg vs $910 for a 7900 XTX currently. Saying they are in the same orice category is false. Nvidia can call the MSRP $400 if they want, you still cant get them at that price.
I think it’s important to highlight a few things: 1. I purchased the 4080 Super from Nvidia on launch day for $999 … I had the same opportunity as anyone else to get the FE at that price 2. Earlier today there was msrp priced stock at Newegg. After reading your comment I checked Newegg, Amazon and Bestbuy and I saw only one card from MSI at $1,029, the rest were from third party sellers as you stated. 3. There is either low supply or the card is popular … my guess is that it’s probably somewhere in the middle. 4. It’s not false to say that the two cards tested were the same price because they were. It appears that it is currently much more challenging to get a 4080 Super versus a 7900 XTX. As stated that is likely a result of popularity and limited supply. 5. If the price of the 7900 XTX is $100+ less than the 4080 Super then I would easily recommend getting a 7900 XTX, it’s a great card.
@@blackbirdpctech 1) No, since there are more buyers than supply, by an order of magnitude. 2) Right now on NewEgg five 7900 XTX cards between $910 and $940. 4) No one can buy these cards for $999 unless they have superb timing or a good friend. 5) Well at $400+ separation it's a stellar deal.
When the 7900 xtx was released I tried for weeks to purchase a reference model from AMD but they constantly sold out. I ended up paying more and getting a limited edition red devil card instead. That’s what manufacturers do, they don’t manufacture more cards than they think will sell because that would be stupid … they would then be left with dead inventory. The 4080S was recently released. It is obviously selling well and Nvidia will respond by manufacturing more cards to meet demand. All companies do this. Here is the key, just because you can’t buy one at msrp doesn’t mean others can’t as well. If you don’t want to wait then get a 7900 xtx, it’s a fantastic card. But that doesn’t mean the comparison between the cards should change based on your inability to get one.
Having extra vram in games that don’t use it doesn’t help your performance. 16gb of vram should be sufficient for the foreseeable future using rasterization or even Ray tracing, but path tracing will likely need more … the problem is current hardware is incapable of doing path tracing well so you would have to buy a new gpu to do that anyway.
@@MetalSniperHDit depends on the price you can get them at. If they are the same price then get a 4080 Super. If the 7900 xtx is $100+ cheaper then get a 7900 xtx instead. I don’t think the extra vram will be useful over the next few years, so I wouldn’t make that part of the buying decision when comparing these two cards.
I would like to see a pinned comment now that high end 7900 xtx AIBs can be found for $900-$950 which puts the favor back in AMDs court for performance.
@@blackbirdpctech Thank You for a fantastic video. Looking forward to seeing your channel grow! Also kudos to not making any underhanded comments showing favoritism to one of these behemoths of graphics card companies! That takes skill when you're in the PC world lol
Thank you for the feedback and I know exactly what you mean … I simply want to see great competition but the data should dictate conclusions, otherwise it’s biased. Glad you are part of the BPT community!
nvidia fans hanging on for dear life on that cyberpunk max ray tracing settings comparison for dear life, at least until fsr3 is properly implemented in that game. cheapest 4080 super btw in my country is a minimum of 70 euros more expensive than the xtx, with the next cheapest going for 170 more euros so i doubt that one can buy the 4080 super close to msrp while the xtx prices were close to that point and will probably drop further. not telling people what to buy and which is better, just don't be surprised when you realize the nvidia is basically the same as the xtx but just more expensive.
I think that’s reasonable, if the 4080S is more expensive then the 7900xtx becomes a better option imo. That’s why I recommended a price cut. Thanks for watching!
I bought both cards myself … I got the 4080 Super on launch day from Nvidia directly … so the price isn’t fake … that said scalpers are a big problem and Nvidia has a supply issue, so your point is reasonable.
When the prices are the same, which they currently are, the best option is whichever card offers the best performance and that is the 4080S. It is also significantly more efficient. I don’t disagree that we need strong competition to bring prices down, but I can’t recommend that someone spend $1,000 on an inferior product simply to support gamers … that wouldn’t be responsible.
@@blackbirdpctech it’s not an opinion. On average 7900xtx is the faster card without ray tracing. Most games don’t even have good ray tracing so it’s not worth even debating about. If people want the best fps for money then it should be an automatic choice for 7900xtx over 4080
@@ayn89928I simply wasn’t sure what you were recommending. I showed that the rasterization performance for the 7900 xtx is superior to the 4080S, however it uses a lot more power to accomplish those results and ray tracing is in a lot of titles and will be in virtually all titles moving forward, so I don’t think it’s an easy decision to make. At the same price I would get a 4080S but if the 7900XTX is cheaper by more than $50 then I would get that instead. I wouldn’t however get the reference model, I would (did) get the sapphire nitro … fantastic card.
RT is a gimmick even NVIDIA cant run it properly without software trickery, so stop trying to push it. AMD 7900xtx is a great card when your truely playing a game your really not paying attention to the lighting effects your focusing on the game. and games look fantastic without RT especially when played on an OLED monitor properly calibrated. you keep saying your a rocket scientist, well im a mechanical engineer that also went back for a civil engineering degree a computer science degree, sand yes ive worked in gpu manufacturing, NVIDIA could be impressive without all the software trickery AMD is more impressive when you really think about it.
I appreciate your comment but I strongly disagree. Ray Traced images objectively look better than Rasterized images. When RT first came out I think it would have been reasonable to call it a gimmick since it wasn't supported in many games, but things have changed significantly over the last 6 years. Saying that they can't run properly without "software trickery" is a strange thing to say given that we are talking about games and game engines that are themselves software and only "simulate" the real world. Furthermore, qualifying your statement by stating that the 7900 xtx is better if "you are really not paying attention" and only if playing on an OLED that is properly calibrated is not logical ... all games look better on a properly calibrated OLED, that's why OLED monitors are popular. Even frame generation techniques that create new frames are fine as long as the quality is maintained ... the only downside is an increase in latency, which Nvidia is addressing with Reflex. I would however agree that Path Tracing is beyond current gen hardware. I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that AMD is more impressive when “you really think about it” ... if you really think about it you would see that Nvidia's 4000 series competes with AMD's 7000 series at half the power draw, which is actually very impressive. It is basically the same thing that AMD is doing to Intel with CPU's, which is also impressive. I state that I am a former rocket scientist at the start of my videos to set myself apart from the many clowns that have tech UA-cam channels without any meaningful technical background. My guess is that most people who watch my content don't look at my origin story video which explains my background in greater detail. It's great that you are an engineer and want to share your opinion, but I would argue that your opinion appears to be somewhat biased and isn't supported by data.
I've had a few questions about the prices of these cards since posting this video so I thought it would be good to provide an update. It has been nearly two months (3/22/24) since Nvidia released the 4080 Super for $999 and AMD has not officially dropped the price of the 7900 XTX, with the reference model selling on their website store for $999, so the data is still valid. That said, it appears that many of AMD's board partners have decided to drop the price of the 7900 XTX with models on Newegg ranging from $899 (MSI Gaming) to $1,059 (Sapphire Nitro+). As I stated in this video, $899 should be the new price for the reference 7900 XTX, and at that price it would offer better value. For the 4080 Super, availability of the Founder's Edition has been spotty at best, with no availability showing currently. There have been multiple drops at BestBuy and on the Nvidia online shop, however it appears they sell out rapidly. At Newegg the cheapest model available is $1,099 (Zotac AMP Extreme), which is a $100 premium over the base MSRP. To most people price matters, and as with any analysis you should take current conditions into consideration when making a purchasing decision ... at current pricing the cheapest available 7900 XTX is $200 less than the cheapest available 4080S, which IMO would make it a better choice.
I like how ever reviewer says dont get the 7900xtx at that price. Only vet ot if it's 100 dollars cheaper. Well, it's 200 cheaper. Cause it's hard as all get out to find a 4080 super, let alone one a msrp. Most are going for 1200 or more. So with that logic, why not buy an xtx. That extra 200 can go towards games or upgrades.
I agree with you … I purchased both of these cards myself at $999, so that’s how I ran my tests. In my earlier 4080 vs 7900xtx review I recommended the 7900xtx … it’s a great card. I try my best not to be biased and let the data do the talking. Thanks for watching!
More like $400+ cheaper. It's like when Chevy announces a new Silverado starting at $39,999 MSRP, you won't find one in the lot for less than $44,999.
I still went the sapphire nitro + 7900 xtx few months back got it for 1500 AUD over Black Friday, overall happy with my choice.
I have the same card and IMO it’s the best 7900 xtx you can buy. I compared that against the 4080 strix in one of my earlier videos and it was the better value card by far. Great choice!
@@blackbirdpctech great video too mate, just one thing left to do sub 😂
I bought a Gigabyte 7900 XTX open box at best buy for $840 last April and the card has been pretty good with passable ray tracing but sounds like a jet engine under load. On my secondary PC I'm upgrading a 3080 with a 4070 TI for $625 at Dell(after $100 rebate). Hopefully the 4070 TI is quiet as it is going in an SFC NZXT H1(v2) that I really like.
You could try repasting the 7900 xtx … might help …
@@blackbirdpctech Thanks but I don't think I can do that with the card under warranty. I'm trying to undervolt it and see if that helps. I've used the warranty once when the video signal was all wonky after the PC came out of sleep and would work fine after a reboot.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button. All of the driver settings, overclock, screen and video capture, game launcher, etc all on one location. Also the 24gb Vram vs the 16Vram will help to future proof the card better. In hogwarts legacy i have seen Vram usage go over 15gb on 4k max setting. People on the 3080 10gb are already having issues on their cards. This will become a bigger issues as time goes on.
Great comment. I agree with your statement on Adrenalin … it really is fantastic software and it is way ahead of what Nvidia currently offers … so much so that Nvidia is now developing a new app to copy it. I upgrade hardware relatively frequently so for me VRAM has never been an issue but I can understand how it potentially could be in the future.
By the time 24gb is needed, both GPUS will be obsolete.. the 7900xtx has more VRAM, the 4080 supers vram is a tiny bit faster. GDDR6X. I'd rather have the faster VRAM
No GPU is future proof
But God you're right about adrenaline, I love it. And I'll miss it with nividia. If only amd could get their shit together with ray tracing, and Better FSR support in games. They would be perfect.
@@matthewjohnson3148 bought the 7900xtx for 4k and 1440p. The card will not be obsolete for awhile.
@dakbassett neither card will be obsolete for awhile. The extra vram, and higher 385 bus gives around a 6% lead in 4k in a multi game benchmark over the 4080 super.
But at 4k you'll want to turn on upscalling, and DLSS will be a far better option, you can use both FSR and DLSS. Plus ray tracing is possible at 4k, with DLSS on.
It's insane. But both cards are amazing. The extra 6% can be helpful, I guess.
And the invidia software is not very intuitive. I currently have a nvidia card, but have built some pcs with amds for friends and have been very happy with the easy to use (epsecially for non-enthusiasts) amd software
Another great video, I especially liked the GPU overclocking guide … super helpful, thanks!
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching!
I'm proud owner of 7900XTX nitro + and I love it , my previous card was 1060 3 gb so the jump is huge. no crashes so far only in Heldivers 2 but my friends also have crushes and play on different models of cards. One minus is that coil whine is super annoying but im not sure if it is gpu or psu.
I love that card and I don’t experience coil whine … or at least it’s small compared to my Asus TUF card. Great upgrade!
Never had any coil whine with 2 different PSUs even when fps went to 700 in loading screens.
I literally have to return my 7900xtx because it’s consuming up to 450 watts well gaming for extended time and literally blows the fuse in my breaker box when anyone else is using electricity on same breaker it’s insanely inefficient
I think AMD pushed these cards higher than they would have liked to compete better, hence the high power draw. You might want to get an electrician to come out and check your wiring .. shouldn’t have this issue with a 450W power draw.
In adrenalin u might be able to control its power draw though
@@laszlodajka5946 great point, you can implement a power limit in Adrenalin however that would obviously impact performance.
@@blackbirdpctech true. However im not sure if 0 power limit means the standard nonoc consumption. Cause on that my asus tuf hasnt gone beyond some 330ish wattage.
@@laszlodajka5946 I haven't really ever looked into to dropping the power limit, so I will have to investigate further. For Asus cards, both Nvidia and AMD, I use GPU Tweak III to mess with my settings ... you should give it a try since you have a TUF model.
THe combined percentage differences at the end of the game benchmarks is something I haven't seen anyone else do and is so simple yet extremely effective. Also, kudos for doing it with 1% lows as well. I would argue 1% lows are as important or more important than averages in determining how smooth gameplay will be.
Appreciate your comment and yes, 1% lows are something you really notice. Thanks for watching!
He actually got Buffer on the video xD Nice one, subbed
Absolute legend, he was so cool when I approached him ... thanks for watching and welcome onboard!
This was an incredibly helpful video as someone shopping around the 800-1000 dollar price range.
I think I’m gonna go with the sapphire nitro+ XTX. Open box models can be had for around $850… compared to 4080 supers or higher end models of the 4080 like the amp extreme which is in a similar price range.
They are extremely similar cards. But besides the two outliers of Avatar and cyberpunk… they look even more identical. I think it comes down to which you can find for a better deal, and if u really care about maxing out ray tracing - which I frankly don’t.
Thank you and I’m glad I was able to help. I reviewed the nitro in one of my earlier videos … it’s a great card that I am using in my production rig … you will love it!
Good video! Sadly the 4080 Super is motly $1129 and up (only one model currently below $1,100. We are not getting the promised price. Alot of us saw that coming. Many 7900XTX are now below $1,000. 1 is $910 another is $930 with 6 models all under $1,000 right now. On average, it's looking like the 7900XTX is $200 less than the 4080 Super. Which makes it a really good looking option. Does not have the wierd Power connector which is a bonus and more VRAM which may or may not matter in a few years. From a bang for buck standpoint I see them as a draw.
I would say at those prices the 7900 xtx is a better buy … thanks for watching!
Haha more great content. Love your videos dude. As a beginner newly into tinkering with PCs, this is a goldmine of knowledge.
Really appreciate that, thanks for watching!
I would like to see benchmarks with ultra graphics settings and ray tracing (not path tracing). I think there would be huge change in favor of nvidia.
Both Cyberpunk 2077 and Avatar had RT turned on and yes the 4080S performance gap was large.
Still got 7900 xtx because i am tired of ngreedia, Had them all, FX 5200, GTS 450, 550,GTX 770, 1050ti,1070ti,1080,1080Ti, 2060,2070,2080,3060,3070,3080 and even rtx 4090 last year, but it had faulty heatsink it was suprim x model, used it like that for a month after returning it and getting money back, decided to stick with my 3080 which i had for almost 3 years and it died after christmass, how ironic. Been building pc's for everybody locally and been giving them AMD gpu's and those tend to age better generation later. Now 7900 xtx nitro plus is in my system and its absolute beast of overclocker, 2750mhz memory, 2950mhz core with 1v undervolt gave me 34707 graphics score in timespy, compared to reference model at stock it's like +19% of gain.
I hear you … I have the nitro+ as well and it’s a fantastic card.
@@thaddeus2447 what are you’re exact OC settings and is it stable while gaming ?
I found on my RX6950XT I can run the 3Dmark benches you named but if the OC is to high the basic TimeSpy it will error out as the GPU core clock will scale to high.
I’ve noticed the same thing, that’s why I test it last.
This is a great video. Hitting sub button and thanks for the info! Still going with 7900xtx paired with a 7700x; I have had a great time with Amd in the last 3 years building my pc's and the families. Used Nvidia for 15 or more years and finally gave up on their pricing. Not too mention Amd has closed the gap hugely in quality.
Yeah, pricing has gotten out-of-control lately … we desperately need more competition … hopefully Intel can come through with Battlemage. Thanks for watching!
Nice video but can't really find any rtx for 999 lol, atleast where i live. It's still 100 bucks more expensive than the xtx. I think it comes down to if you wanna use rt and/or dlss. I believe at that price point, it's kind of pointless not to go for the nividia model considering those 2 features. That being said they should fix their pricing and stop being stingy with VRAM.
The availability of the 4080S has gotten a lot better in the US, so hopefully that will happen globally too. Thanks for watching!
Another good review, buddy. While the MSRP's may be the same, good luck finding a 4080 Super for $999. The 1% lows for the 7900 XTX in Avatar are terrible. I've only played that game on a 7800 XT, but that kind of thing is something I did not notice. Could there be something fishy going on there? That game ran exceptionally @ 4k on my 7800 XT and the XTX should be even better. Regardless, I guess it's time for an AMD price cut. Considering the 7900 XT has come down as far as it has, you gotta think they'd sell more XTX's with a 10% discount! Or give us more powa, AMD!!! We are thirsty for another flagship product from AMD that MEETS the RTX 4090 levels of performance!!!
Thanks and yes, that’s why I removed it from the last gaming efficiency chart … I think it’s the latest driver … I had issues running the COD MW3 benchmark with the latest driver, so that’s my guess. Will install the latest beta driver and see if it fixes things … if it does I will post an update. Great comment … appreciate your insight.
In the eu we have all gpus at msrp available. Also they confirmed they wont do high end cards anymore
@@imyournme6632 I believe that is only for the next generation ... they are gearing up for the 9000 series which will coincide with the launch of the new generation of consoles ... I believe that they plan to compete at the high-end again but that they are waiting until they can deliver a knockout blow.
@@imyournme6632I believe the plan is for AMD to skip 1 generation of high end cards, with the highest end RDNA 4 card not being any better than the current 7900 XTX, but more power efficient. But, my understanding is that the plan is to roll out the heavier artillery the following generation so that they don't get technologically skunked. I'm pulling for some competition in the market to bring flagship product pricing back to sane levels.
@@CourageOO7I was able to dig into this more and it’s a result of the settings that I used, not the driver. I ran the game with upscaling turned on but NOT frame gen. So I used DLSS for the 4080S and FSR3 for the 7900 XTX. Unfortunately the game will only allow you to turn frame gen on with FSR 3, not DLSS. So moving forward I am going to run the game with frame gen on and off, which means running Nvidia cards with fsr3 turned on versus dlss … obviously not ideal.
very great video , you desurve much more viewers
Thank you!
Here in Europe the cheapest RX7900XTX is 969€ including 21% VAT. The cheapest RTX4080 Super is 1085€ including 21%VAT in the Netherlands. Still i have the 4080 S and would chose it over AMD every single time. Had so much horror experience with AMD. Driver issues always. So glad with my 4080 S is rock solid. Had the RX7900XT and sold it for this card and eventhough loosing money i am very happy. No more AMD for me! Had a 5700XT driver issues, 6800XT and 6700XT same driver issues. Had a 5900X ryzen 9 that was ok most of the times but still not rock solid.
Tried twice the 7800X3D that just did not want to work stable. Now happy with my Intel I7-14700KF and my Asus tuf gaming 4080 Super!
I haven’t experienced driver issues with AMD GPU’s, so perhaps I’ve been lucky. I also have multiple 7800X3D’s and they are great. That said, my primary gaming rig is a 14900k, 8000MT/s ram and 4090 … if you know how to tweak bios you can extract amazing performance from Intel CPU’s … but they do use a lot more power. Thanks for watching!
Hi, great videos you make, thumbs up!!
I was wondering if you are thinking of updating this video in particular given the tremendous increase in performance AMD has given to its cards with the latest driver.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Thank you! I wasn't planning to update this comparison but it would be interesting ... I might take a look at a few games and see if there is a meaningful change (latest drivers vs latest drivers). Appreciate your support.
Great stuff...thank you!
Thank you for watching!
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And this is how its done also why i cant choose the 7900xtx its to close in raster with eachother when averaging everything out and I get the extra tech.
That $200 price cut by Nvidia really helped swing the battle in their favor for this one.
@@blackbirdpctech I agree got the strix 4080 super because of it and I paid 1029 for a strix to me the extra 29 dollars was worth it lol. Instead of 1200 for a strix. I'm happy af I found one that price.
That's a great price for a Strix variant.
4080 super only supports 144 Mhz refresh rate without display port 2.1 support. Also the 24 GB VRAM ups the textures ability plus it probably ages better.
I have serious doubts as to what card to choose from these two. Do I want RT - I am not sure I need it - I feel like the VRAM is more futureproof, but that is just a gut feeling. I am a little annoyed by the powerdraw of the 7900 xtx - can you something with that in undervoltning?
4080 super support 144Hz refresh rate and above as long as it can handle it, the 144Hz lock is probably some article that tells you that when using it in high resolution screen like 4k. Also don't simple add M in Hz. 144 MHz is 144000000 Hz
The 4080 can support higher refresh rates … hdmi 2.1 has higher bandwidth than dp 1.4. Ray tracing generates much better quality graphics when compared with rasterization, which shows 3d images in 2D using polygons. I don’t think the extra vram is valuable at this level, especially if you upgrade your gpu every 2-3 years. You could undervolt a 7900xtx but you would obviously lose performance. It’s not a bad thing to have tough decisions, it means the competition is good.
If you want to play fifa 8k 120fps + only 7900xtx can do this between this two because dp 2.1.
@@zobanzthat’s true, the 7000 series are the only cards that support DP 2.1, which I think was an oversight by Nvidia … they should have included the newer standard on their cards.
If you live in Europe and consider the power consumption you have to be mentally deficient to buy the XTX
Not much of a difference and you got radeon chill which will lower power useage over time in radeons favour. Also the cost of power in europe is over blown. When i can get a 7900xtx for 3-200 euro less then the nvidia fake msrp its a no brainer you buy the 7900xtx
@@mercurio822 I paid 100 euro more on the 4080S FE. By the time i upgrade the power consumption has easily doubled my return on the upfront price.
What are you talking about "overblown" wtf are you smoking we had 70 cents per KWh in Austria last year. Absolutely insane upwards of 120+ euro a year on difference if you game a couple hours a day.
Huh? I undervolted mine and it draws 280W on full load without performance loss. Never getting hotter than 50C°. Less power draw than a stock 4080 while performing better.
@nme6632after tuning my 7900xtx im down 30-50w in full load. i also have a bound electric price and not variable price so suck it you got a shitty deal. both on your card and your electric price.
@@Greenalex89 Haha performing better hm
Hay man just saw this video as my first time, instead of saying your a former rocket scientist, say your the Rocket man or something, just a suggestion, other then that thanks for the informative video.
Thanks for the suggestion and watching!
Can you do an overclocking guide using undervolting? Especially for the 7900 xtx. I also run the stress tests in 3dmark and cinebench 24.
Great idea … I use cinebench when I OC my cpu. Will add an undervolting guide to a future video. Thanks for watching!
Max PL +15, undervolt to 1.1V, VRAM +100MHz, that's all ^^
All oc/uv settings are dependent on silicon quality … one size doesn’t fit all unfortunately.
If you’re undervolting the XTX it’s kind of silly and you should just buy the XT and save some $$. You’re literally disabling the feature of XTX by undervolting and turning it into an XT
@@josephs.7496 Not necessarily, I undervolted my 7900 xtx and increased the power limits by 25%. The gpu was hitting over 3000 mhz... and consuming 450 watts of electricity.
If you play Warzone religiously, 7900xtx is a must.
I agree … there will always be scenarios like that to take into consideration … my friend just plays MS Flight Sim and an X3D cpu is required for that game … the performance boost is amazing. Thanks for watching!
great tutorial thx mate
You are very welcome, glad you found it helpful and thanks for watching!
Very interesting :-) Thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
I like Nvidia hardware but I hate them as a company and I refuse to contribute to/further their market share. I currently run an ASRock PG 7900XT and I have been very happy with it! It may even be my all-time favorite card.
I think many people feel the same way … great products but terrible pricing. People gave Nvidia credit for cutting the price of the 4080 but the reality is they only did that because of strong competition from the 7900XTX. I really like the 7900XT as well … I tested it against a 4070 Ti Super in my recent video and it performed great. Appreciate your comment and thanks for watching!
@@blackbirdpctech Agreed, they only dropped the price on the 4080 due to the competition, not because it was 1.5 year old fab or because the card was overpriced to begin with. I picked up my 7900XT somewhat recently, it was that for $700 or a 4070ti Super for $850. I don't see how the 4070ti Super is $150 better than a 7900XT, especially considering I only own like 2 RT titles (Dying Light 2 and Spiderman Miles Morales) and I prefer to run native res. I like ASRock too, my PG 7900XT matches my PG B550-itx/ax motherboard. I've had nothing but good experiences with their products.
The 4070 Ti Super is at virtually the same performance level as the 7900 XT, so if the 7900 XT is cheaper then it’s much better value.
Only thing i dissagree with is that overlocking is free performace becuade it isnt.... i have the standard 4080, i can get a really good stable overclock on it that trabslates to about an extra 5% in games. It does however then start to pull nearly 400 watts...... its not free performance and its not worth doing.
You are correct, I overlooked the fact that the card will draw more power when overclocked, so it’s not technically free. That said the performance boost you get will be heavily dependent on silicon lottery, so for some it may be worth it and for others not so much … but the only way you will know is to try it. Appreciate your comment.
I recently tried the PowerColor Red Devil RX 7900 XTX. While AMD drivers tend to improve over time, I experienced more crashes and driver issues than with Nvidia cards in the past. Unfortunately, the RX 7900 XTX I had died completely after 14 days. I returned it and bought an RTX 4090, which hasn't had any problems.
Now that I'm building a second gaming PC, I'm considering the RX 7900 XTX again if I can find a good price. Otherwise, I'll likely go with the RTX 4080 Super.
Given that you already have a 4090 I would get a 7900 XTX but I would recommend the Sapphire Nitro+ … it’s a fantastic card … in fact the video I’m releasing next week will show a max OC 7900 XTX Nitro against a stock 4090 FE … results are definitely interesting.
@@blackbirdpctechthats what im leaning towards as well. the 2nd rig will be for my kids to play with.
Nice rig for your kids … I promised my daughter I would build a PC with her … might do a video on it for the channel … will be a good way to show people just how easy it is.
yehat that sounds awesome. building pc is easy when you know how to do it. i have done it for my self, friend and family for the past 20 years. And to this day i still love it just as much as i enjoy using them.
The 4080 super is only really a good deal if you can find one at MSRP. It feels like nvidia did a paper launch without any tangible amount of supply cause its driving all of the prices up to $1400 or significantly more.
Completely agree … I think they do this on purpose … I got one on launch day but they rapidly sold out … that should help AMD.
You are better off ordering from the EU and get the tax return from the VAT all ours gpus are msrp
Don't want anything with AMD GPU Anymore, poor driver support especially for VR.
NVDIA just cant find one card at MSRP unless buy some random Manufacturer. Stuck with GTX1080 for the last 6 years... I have no choice to go NVDIA for the games im playing.
Dont want to risk buying a 4090 either with all the drama and failures happening currently (gpu sagging, melting, scams and on top of that dead on delivery...).
Seems unacceptable and foolish investment to upgrade these days at these price tags despite having the money.
I want at least a 4080 to pair with my 7800X3D but so far no luck, a founders edition even better if i want to build a SFX with it.
I live next to a micro center I think this goes back years Its why I always end up with AMD cards. They are Never marked up as much as Nvidia and actually I always got mine open box returns. years ago I got a 5700xt around 300 and 2070s at that time where 500 or more Same with my 6900XT red devil Bought it for 630 Open Box when at the the time 3080s &3090s still costed way more than msrp
Smart way to shop … and I am jealous you live next to a microcenter!
Honestly think you should have split up the Overclock How to and information, in its own video. The only reason I clicked on this was to see the comparison. You could have made a special bit in this Versus video including the final Overclocking results and pointed to a title card that was Another video where you go into the OC part (so technically you could have made 2 video uploads from this one), that way for those that wanted that information can see it there and even those specifically searching OC knowledge could have found that video in there you could have pointed to THIS video (double the views, more coverage).
I dont want to tell you how to upload your content but on UA-cam, Content is King, so I can see you put a lot of effort in this video but I honestly just want to seek through the timeline to get to the versus part because I am in the midst of upgrading but have no real wants to Overclock.
Great video nonetheless, I am really leaning towards the XTX as its more futureproof compared to the 256-bit bus on the 4080S, I totally feel NV is pulling some anti-consumer crap here and crippling this card to make the 50-series stand out when it comes out. XX80 should have 320-bit bus. I have the RTX 3080 and its fine and all but I am not mainly playing on a 4k monitor and almost every game needs to be turned down or abuse DLSS.
I appreciate your comment and I agree with your recommendation. I've been trying to add high value bonus content but what I've realized is that for it to work it needs to be really well aligned with the main title and thumbnail ... if I have to expand the title to highlight the bonus content then it shouldn't be in there and/or should be a separate video. So thanks for the feedback, it's actually really helpful to get this type of feedback from viewers because it helps me improve my content.
Wrt buying one of these cards I would simply focus on performance and cost ... I don't think either one of these cards will be futureproof given that next gen cards will likely be here in Q4. At the moment you can buy a 7900 XTX for much less than a 4080 Super and if you compare at the same price, you can get a Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX at about the same price as a 4080S Founder's Edition. The Sapphire Nitro+ is an amazing card that can overclock extremely well ... I tested it against a 4090 in my latest video and it won some rounds ... pretty impressive.
I have a 4080 super and I'm able to get 130fps+ at Native 4K with extreme settings with fidelity FXcas which sharpening if any was enabled in this test?
Thanks for your question, which game?
@@blackbirdpctech Sorry COD MW3.
I don’t think I had fidelityfx cas turned on in mw3 … will check and let you know.
we can say if you like to play with ray / pathtracing you need a RTX if you dont want to play with very nice Graphics and play futur games with bad graphics (because thats what it is without path/ray tracing) you can pick a radeon card
Unfortunately that is somewhat true although AMD is rapidly improving … AFMF is a good step but they need better hardware acceleration of RT … my hope is that they will have a true competitor for Nvidia with their 9000 series cards.
Just looking at the game scores. Cyberpunk for instance is RT on, but the 4080 wouldn’t do those numbers natively. Any chance you had DLSS on and Frame generation? Something that until FSR3 is implemented in the game is not fair comparison. So wouldn't doing both Native be the better show case? (No DLSS/FSR2)
I had dlss and fsr on in cyberpunk and avatar. That’s why I removed those games to show pure rasterization performance in the final gaming average chart. It’s fair because it’s real … it shows that AMD is behind … I would argue that if we wait until the latest tech from AMD is ready, then that’s not reasonable … people that are buying cards today will want to see what the performance is today, not what it might be in the future. That said I’m a big supporter of AMD, but I have a responsibility to make recommendations based on the data.
@@blackbirdpctechFully agree, I just mean your heading should state that in the chart. For a true comparison though and end scoring, Native would have been the better options to go with in everything. As it shows a more accurate card for card performance. DLSS and FSR performance can change with just the advent of a dll version change. For instance, some versions of DLSS 3.5.xx will do better or worse including visual quality as well as over all FPS. Same will go with FSR.
Showing the two slides side by side. A Native slide and a DLSS/FSR slide would also have been clearer. But only using the Native for your overall scoring. While a good bit of extra work. It would show a clearer picture of the performance. (More a formatting change in your videos is what I am getting at) Hopefully that comes across as constritive and not negatively critical. Sorry if it does.
@@sutty101I appreciate your comment and suggestions. I did however put the settings in the chart title, for example in Cyberpunk 2077 “RT Ultra” settings automatically turn on DLSS or FSR. I disagree however that comparing these cards only in rasterization is the right way to do it because that’s not how people play games … if ray tracing is available in a game then most people will select it because it looks so much better. There are always exceptions of course, but when I test I try to capture the data to reflect what most people can expect to see.
the 7900xtx is 1500 where i live and the 4080 super is minimum 1950 for cheapest, so I've decided to buy the 7900xtx due to the 500 dollars cheaper, as stated in the video they are accentually neck in neck, cant justify spending the extra 500 for raytracing.
At that price difference I completely agree … the 7900 xtx is a great card that can also do ray tracing, so I’m sure you will be happy with the performance.
@@blackbirdpctech appreciate the fast reply, great vid btw
Cyberpunk max raytracing skews this comparison at the end. Most games perform better on a 7900XTX. Most games don't even use raytracing. It's a nice niche feature for NVIDIA, but they lose rasterization, memory bandwidth and VRAM and win in Raytracing. Now that FSR3 and Fluid Motion Frames is here, raytracing performance is all they have to hold on to.
That’s why I added the gaming efficiency chart at the end without the two ray tracing titles (cyberpunk and avatar).
While watching the video I was pausing and rewinding to go back to certain comparisons and I must have accidentally bumped past that graph, my bad! 😂
@@benknapp3787no problem … fyi, I make the benchmarks available as a pdf for download on my website so you can use them without having to pause the video … they are also better quality.
@@blackbirdpctech That's awesome! I just came across your channel the other day. I'll check out the website.
@@benknapp3787glad you are part of our community … I don’t really use my website for anything other than hosting the benchmark pdf’s … I am setting up a discord server, so I should be able to host them there in the future.
They are both second place for a reason. Just get a 4090. For the win
My next video compares the 4090 with the 4080 Super.
Double the price for 30% more performance..... nah. At mrsp yeah. But at the current prices the 4090 doesn't make sense.
@@rambosausage8881I was genuinely curious to compare a founder’s edition 4080S to a 4090 to see if the price premium is worth it … video will post Thursday … even at msrp the premium is high and shows that we need a competitor to step up so Nvidia can’t just price their cards outrageously high.
@@blackbirdpctech exactly. I love the 7900xtx. Butttttttt. It only compares to the 4080. No one makes anything to compete at the high end. It’s solely owned by Nvidia. That’s why the price is so stupid. Nothing to compete against. I really miss EVGA in this market. They were the best cards for quality and longevity.
@@thehimself4056 those Kingpin cards were amazing ... I still have a 3090 Kingpin card ... I am planning to do a retro build with it ... great looking card and performs so well.
it's impossible to find a 4080 super, 4080, or 4090 at msrp prices though. Cheapest any of these normal people usually can get are usually $100 more ($500 for 4090) due to how popular RTX gpus are; while AMD 7900xtx are generally can easily be bought for $100 below msrp, which is your suggested retail price of $900, real life practicality of buying the product should be in the video buying guide.
In short, if you can buy any of the above RTX GPU products at msrp, then that is a good deal as they retain their values over time. AMD product lose their value over time greatly so if you can afford to wait for GPUs to go on sale, then go for AMD products as they tend to be significantly cheaper at the same performances.
Both companies are horribly over priced their products in order to squeeze profits as sadly, this is because of the current situation in the gaming gpu market with only two players, real prices of these 4080s and AMD flagship GPUs should both be $600-$800 even account for inflations. But since Nvidia successful last 30 generation attempt at cash grab, AMD don't see the why not pricing their 7900 at $1000 msrp instead like $600 previous 6900. Thus, the best GPU to buy would be AMD last gen. 6960 xt for $600 for sane, normal person. This gpu can easily game 4k with the latest games and possibly near future games too. But since the normal gaming customer are insane and disregard prices completely, pricing and energy consumption arguments are a moot point. People just want more powa, more ray tracing on charts even though gpu power performances are so extreme right now, way more powerful any future games can demand, no one could humanly tell the different between 4080 or 4090, or RT on/off between Nvidea/AMD if they don't rely on AI third party software to churn out fps numbers for them. Games frame stutters over 60 fps is very hard to notice by most normal human eyes, and beautiful graphically new current games, in 4k, even with RT on, can be consistently beaten the 60 fps mark even by AMD 6950 xt for $600. But people will pay $1800-$2000+ for RTX 4090 because the AI tell them they get double fps performances, while visually to most human eyes it is the same.
I claim this because i have two computer with AMD 6950 xt and RTX 4090 while playing Skyrim enhanced graphic mods with 4k monitors. A small stutter difference is seen in miniscule limited time in more shoot them up graphically challenged game such as while i play cyberpunk 2077. so maybe it makes a different for the tiny group of competitive gamers in games like cyberpunk 2077, but even then the different between $600 vs $1800 for that tiny bit of visual diff. in that 1% of the time in the game. Otherwise, the only differences normal people can tell is the 67 fps vs 127 fps on third party software they have running next to their screen; these numbers are really meaningless.
I appreciate your comments and I generally agree. I used the $999 msrp for both cards because that’s the price I purchased both cards at … these are not samples, I purchased both. I got the 4080 Super direct from Nvidia on launch day. There was a good amount of stock when the card launched with msrp pricing available for a few days on different variants. Now however there appears to be limited supply. When the 7900xtx launched it saw similar supply issues but now they are much easier to get. I suspect the same will happen with the 4080 Super. 4090 supply appears to have gotten much better but this card is a great low end AI option, so that impacts its availability. Nvidia has had decent supply of both cards lately, but they sell out relatively quickly. Thanks for watching and your detailed comment.
Strange every one is complaining about Nvidia and graphic cards prices but no one is talking about other computer parts. I bought 2080 ti for 1200 dollars 6 years ago and after 6 years I both 4080 s 100 $ cheaper. Card that is 2x faster then 2080 ti and witch takes only 20 watts more running 10 degrees cooler. And everyone is saying that's rip off. But from other hand I bought 6 years ago Best intel processor for 200 $ and best motherboard for 200$. Today I don't even buy best cpu for 400$. I will need to spend almost 3 times more on mobo and cpu. I think it's much more rip off then graphic.
@@evan-du3vk motherboard prices are truly out of control and the issue for me is you generally don't get anything meaningful with the higher end models, it's crazy.
No mention of AFMF with this enabled AMD wins hands down even with DLSS enabled on 4080s
Unfortunately the recent driver from AMD doesn’t implement AFMF very well … look at the results for Cyberpunk and Avatar … hopefully AMD can release a cleaned up driver that implements it better. I am excited for the technology … they just released a beta driver so I will have to re-test and see what impact it has.
@@blackbirdpctech This is not my experience at all and I don't believe people are using AFMF correctly they think it's FSR3, AFMF is driver where FSR3 is game. I have been gaming since 3dfx Voodoo 1. Since then all my cards have been Nvidia except for the R9 295x2 and now 7900xtx, AMD has a much higher learning curve than Nvidia to get the most out of the card especially if your coming from a Nvidia platform, before AFMF I would have totally agreed with your benchmarks but with AFMF used correctly no not even close
Happy to understand how to use the technology better, can you let me know what specifically in the benchmarks you disagree with?
@@blackbirdpctech I don't disagree with your benchmarks at all except for saying the 4080s is of better value when leaving any AFMF and DLSS benchmarks out of the comparison. Maybe a follow up video using the same cards with AFMF and DLSS would give a different outcome, I would be more then happy to be proven wrong.
@@stevetoomer9042 fair enough ... just to be clear, I did have DLSS/AFMF on in Cyberpunk and Avatar but I don't think the AMD driver was functioning correctly because the results were poor ... I even re-tested the AMD card multiple times in Avatar just to be sure. Will try re-testing when a new non-beta driver comes out.
pause it at 9:57 and you tell me you want the 4080 super for COD MW3. Thats the only game I play and The 4080 is lagging significantly behind the 7900 XTX on this title.
That’s a fair comment but something I didn’t mention in the video because I didn’t want to create drama is that with the latest drivers I struggled to get the COD MW3 benchmark to run … the prior driver had no issues at all, so hopefully it gets fixed rapidly.
I bought recently a xtx thats more than enough for my 165 hz monitor
I would never use sythetic benchmark to test OC! You will nearly reaching stability in real games.
Do you realize that games are synthetic too? Benchmarks are designed with the same game engines as games. They are all synthetic … that’s the nature of simulations. So your statement makes no sense. You should definitely use benchmarks to test your stability when trying to find a stable OC. You can then test it in your favorite games, which again are themselves not “real”.
In my opinion it is still a waste of time. Triple A games are much more complex than benchmarks und place much greater strain on components. There will be big OC differences. I hope nobody will be disappointed if they have to lower the OC values again so that the game runs properly. In addition, it is also about efficiency. Often you need far too much power to achieve 1-2 FPS more.
You are entitled to your opinion but claiming it’s “totally wrong” is simply not true. A benchmark like Steel Nomad is an exceptionally good test for your gpu, as is port royal for ray tracing and FurMark for checking temps. I’ve found this approach to generate excellent results. Both Nvidia and AMD provide auto OC features in their software now, so there is clearly a demand for it.
@@blackbirdpctech yes youre right to check temps. Will change my first text.
Btw My old experiences over the years have shown me that benchmarks are good for points but not for daily stability in AAA games.
A few things I would like to add. The AMD 7900 XTX is a NVIDIA RTX 4080 competitor not the new 4080 Super. ($999 vs $1599) 7900 XTX - NVIDIA RTX 4080 non Super! Also AMD Radeon Series 7000 is on 2nd Gen Ray Tracing while NVIDIA is on 3rd Gen. NVIDIA only cares about the Ai Server Market now not gamers, because 80% of profit is in data centers. I will continue at AMD just because its so much nicer to work for than NVIDIA.
Fair enough, if you look at my 4080 vs 7900xtx review I recommended the 7900xtx … I tested the sapphire nitro in that video and it has a superior cooler to the reference model … that’s the 7900xtx I would get (that’s the one I did get) … fantastic card!
4080 Super is a 4080 with a 200 usd price reduction. There is no difference.
Picked up a 4080 Super at MSRP on launch day. One thing I'm particularly impressed with is the efficiency of the card. I put a decent undervolt on it and now in games it draws about 230W-245W MAX of power and at the default fan curve hung out around 51c. I just changed it for the fans to basically spin at around 1000RPM and now the card gets to 58-62c max and I can't hear it whatsoever.
That was a big deciding factor for me compared to the 7900xtx that runs a fair bit hotter and at higher power consumption.
I picked mine up from Nvidia on launch day too … that $200 price cut makes a big difference.
Literally ordering my parts. But the gpu... Xtx for £859 or the 4080 super for £945?
That’s a tough one … what are the specific brand/models you are looking at?
@@blackbirdpctech xtx is powercolor and the 4080 s is gigabyte. Also will a Corsair 1000e PSU work ok or would the 4080 need some sort of new cable for the power connector on the 4080 or does it come with the power cable
Which powercolor model? A red devil for that price would be good but the 4080s will be much more power efficient. Make sure the 1000e is the 2023 variant and that should come with a 12vhpwr cable for the 4000 series cards.
@@blackbirdpctech it's the hellhound model. Thanks for all your help
No problem … if it were me I would pay extra and get the 4080S unless the xtx was a red devil or nitro, then you could invest the extra money in another ssd.
You forgot the AMD 2.1 Display Port
I didn't forget it, I simply chose not to mention it given that there is currently only one monitor on the market (Samsung Neo G9 Dual UHD) that can leverage the bandwidth provided by DP 2.1, and the 7900 XTX is incapable of powering it properly in most games so I don't think it's something that should be seriously considered when buying a new GPU.
@@blackbirdpctech I am getting a G9 in May (been saving Christmas money and Birthday [same day] and odd jobs for it). I got the XTX until there is a 50 series next Christmas.
@@KevinKnightCanDanceone thing to consider before getting a G9 are the new 32” 4k oled monitors coming out from Asus, Msi and Aorus … I used them at CES and they are amazing.
@@blackbirdpctech The reason I like the G9 has no bezzle between the screens.
@@KevinKnightCanDanceI understand, it’s a beautiful monitor … I have an ark and I don’t use it … the screen is too large … dual 4k screens always sound good but I never end up using 2 screens, so for me the new 32” screens are ideal.
Really the 7900XTX is better value, with much more VRAM, and is just outclassed in heavy RT (CCP2077, Avatar..)
Genuine question, I am a big supporter of AMD and I have multiple 7900 XTX’s, but I’m struggling to see how the 7900xtx is better value when they are the same price?
24 GB VRAM is overkill. No game requires it.
And by the time games will require 20 GB+ vram the xtx will be a mid range card anyways.
Future proofing is an illusion
I agree … if it doesn’t help you now and in the near future, then I don’t think it really should be part of the buy equation … there are some UA-camrs out there that never play games or test hardware but emphasize things like vram … it’s misinformation.
i have rtx 4070 ti 16 GB/ palit in white + 14700K i'm broke
Where tf do you get an rtx 4080 super for 1000 tho, minimum i've seen is 1200 in Europe
From Nvidia directly in the US, they are also available from Best Buy in the US for $999.
like why would i raytrace with 60 fps if i can go 100+ fps with the 7900 xtx. Even nvidia cards cant ray trace with higfh fps yet. PLus the 8gb memory will be more future proof and wide screen proof which is essentially already more than 4k rendering. Happy i got the 7900 xtx and have 24 gb
The reason is because ray tracing generates much more life like images than rasterization that uses polygons to represent 3d images on a 2D screen. Nvidia RTX GPU’s can render RT images at high frame rates, as shown in the benchmark data. There is no such thing as future proof when it comes to pc tech, that is a myth.
That said the 7900 xtx is a great gpu, but just because you own one, as I do, doesn’t mean that you should ignore the data. The 4080 super with a $200 price cut is arguably a better option, at least until AMD officially drops the price of the 7900 xtx, which I’m confident they will.
Happy to look at any actual data that would suggest otherwise.
Nice 🎉😊
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching!
@blackbirdpctech oh yeah it might be a stretch but a ryzen 5 2600 vs ryzen 7 7800x3d would be an interesting comparison. I'm going to upgrade soon and it would be intriguing to see how big the jump in performance is 👍🏼
@@testAccount-eb2veneed to look for a 2600 on eBay to test 😉
@blackbirdpctech legend, I can definitely see you being a big youtuber if you stay consistent. Im rooting for you!
I really wouldn't recommend letting your GPU get to 85 degrees Celsius. I don't call that reasonable. It causes degradation to the hardware. If I'm going to spend that much on a graphics card, then I want the GPU to stay at 50 degrees Celsius.
I wouldn't be happy with that temp on my GPU core either however the chip itself is designed to operate at temperatures exceeding 90 deg C, so it won't impact the life of your GPU. When overclocking you will likely be voltage or power limited well before being temperature limited.
I have 2080 ti for 6 years and just change it for 4080 super. But 2080 ti it's still working in mine secound pc. And it was going 70 something degrees for whole those years and no degradation or any problem so far. And secound thing I don't know why people so whining about Nvidia prices. You get rt and dlss and colder, less power hungry card for 10% more really at 1000 dolar price is that big thing?? Mine overclocked is working at 65 degrees and 310 watts at peak. And I it's difficult to say if I hear processor aio or graphic card
$1365 is the cheapest 4080 super on newegg vs $910 for a 7900 XTX currently. Saying they are in the same orice category is false. Nvidia can call the MSRP $400 if they want, you still cant get them at that price.
I think it’s important to highlight a few things:
1. I purchased the 4080 Super from Nvidia on launch day for $999 … I had the same opportunity as anyone else to get the FE at that price
2. Earlier today there was msrp priced stock at Newegg. After reading your comment I checked Newegg, Amazon and Bestbuy and I saw only one card from MSI at $1,029, the rest were from third party sellers as you stated.
3. There is either low supply or the card is popular … my guess is that it’s probably somewhere in the middle.
4. It’s not false to say that the two cards tested were the same price because they were. It appears that it is currently much more challenging to get a 4080 Super versus a 7900 XTX. As stated that is likely a result of popularity and limited supply.
5. If the price of the 7900 XTX is $100+ less than the 4080 Super then I would easily recommend getting a 7900 XTX, it’s a great card.
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1) No, since there are more buyers than supply, by an order of magnitude.
2) Right now on NewEgg five 7900 XTX cards between $910 and $940.
4) No one can buy these cards for $999 unless they have superb timing or a good friend.
5) Well at $400+ separation it's a stellar deal.
When the 7900 xtx was released I tried for weeks to purchase a reference model from AMD but they constantly sold out. I ended up paying more and getting a limited edition red devil card instead. That’s what manufacturers do, they don’t manufacture more cards than they think will sell because that would be stupid … they would then be left with dead inventory. The 4080S was recently released. It is obviously selling well and Nvidia will respond by manufacturing more cards to meet demand. All companies do this. Here is the key, just because you can’t buy one at msrp doesn’t mean others can’t as well. If you don’t want to wait then get a 7900 xtx, it’s a fantastic card. But that doesn’t mean the comparison between the cards should change based on your inability to get one.
So vram is useless
Having extra vram in games that don’t use it doesn’t help your performance. 16gb of vram should be sufficient for the foreseeable future using rasterization or even Ray tracing, but path tracing will likely need more … the problem is current hardware is incapable of doing path tracing well so you would have to buy a new gpu to do that anyway.
@@blackbirdpctech so should I get a 4080 for now or think about the future and get Rx 7900 xtx which has more vram?
@@MetalSniperHDit depends on the price you can get them at. If they are the same price then get a 4080 Super. If the 7900 xtx is $100+ cheaper then get a 7900 xtx instead. I don’t think the extra vram will be useful over the next few years, so I wouldn’t make that part of the buying decision when comparing these two cards.
I would like to see a pinned comment now that high end 7900 xtx AIBs can be found for $900-$950 which puts the favor back in AMDs court for performance.
Great idea, thanks.
@@blackbirdpctech Thank You for a fantastic video. Looking forward to seeing your channel grow! Also kudos to not making any underhanded comments showing favoritism to one of these behemoths of graphics card companies! That takes skill when you're in the PC world lol
Thank you for the feedback and I know exactly what you mean … I simply want to see great competition but the data should dictate conclusions, otherwise it’s biased. Glad you are part of the BPT community!
Nvidia all the way I had the 7000xt and 7900xtx nice power but unstable
Path tracing is the next level graphics. Need the 4080 for that capability.
Path tracing is truly next level … hopefully next gen Nvidia and amd will be good at that.
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nvidia fans hanging on for dear life on that cyberpunk max ray tracing settings comparison for dear life, at least until fsr3 is properly implemented in that game.
cheapest 4080 super btw in my country is a minimum of 70 euros more expensive than the xtx, with the next cheapest going for 170 more euros so i doubt that one can buy the 4080 super close to msrp while the xtx prices were close to that point and will probably drop further.
not telling people what to buy and which is better, just don't be surprised when you realize the nvidia is basically the same as the xtx but just more expensive.
I think that’s reasonable, if the 4080S is more expensive then the 7900xtx becomes a better option imo. That’s why I recommended a price cut. Thanks for watching!
Easy you buy a 7900xtx. The 4080 msrp is fake
I bought both cards myself … I got the 4080 Super on launch day from Nvidia directly … so the price isn’t fake … that said scalpers are a big problem and Nvidia has a supply issue, so your point is reasonable.
Just bought a 4080 super brand new for 1000 usd at my local pc shop 2 weeks ago
>caring about raster performance in 2024
Nvidia sucks buy AMD and save 400€ also support GAMERS
When the prices are the same, which they currently are, the best option is whichever card offers the best performance and that is the 4080S. It is also significantly more efficient. I don’t disagree that we need strong competition to bring prices down, but I can’t recommend that someone spend $1,000 on an inferior product simply to support gamers … that wouldn’t be responsible.
How does Nvidia suck?
@@wb3213 he’s mad cause he went with and instead of nvidia and is coping now
Jesus or just get 4090 king
I think you missed the point, this was a comparison of two $1,000 GPU’s. The 4090 is not the answer for people that want to spend under $1K.
how is it tough? ray tracing? NVidia.. anything else is a braindead choice go amd
Not sure I follow … are you saying that in your opinion people should select Nvidia or AMD?
@@blackbirdpctech it’s not an opinion. On average 7900xtx is the faster card without ray tracing. Most games don’t even have good ray tracing so it’s not worth even debating about. If people want the best fps for money then it should be an automatic choice for 7900xtx over 4080
@@ayn89928I simply wasn’t sure what you were recommending. I showed that the rasterization performance for the 7900 xtx is superior to the 4080S, however it uses a lot more power to accomplish those results and ray tracing is in a lot of titles and will be in virtually all titles moving forward, so I don’t think it’s an easy decision to make. At the same price I would get a 4080S but if the 7900XTX is cheaper by more than $50 then I would get that instead. I wouldn’t however get the reference model, I would (did) get the sapphire nitro … fantastic card.
RT is a gimmick even NVIDIA cant run it properly without software trickery, so stop trying to push it. AMD 7900xtx is a great card when your truely playing a game your really not paying attention to the lighting effects your focusing on the game. and games look fantastic without RT especially when played on an OLED monitor properly calibrated. you keep saying your a rocket scientist, well im a mechanical engineer that also went back for a civil engineering degree a computer science degree, sand yes ive worked in gpu manufacturing, NVIDIA could be impressive without all the software trickery AMD is more impressive when you really think about it.
I appreciate your comment but I strongly disagree. Ray Traced images objectively look better than Rasterized images. When RT first came out I think it would have been reasonable to call it a gimmick since it wasn't supported in many games, but things have changed significantly over the last 6 years. Saying that they can't run properly without "software trickery" is a strange thing to say given that we are talking about games and game engines that are themselves software and only "simulate" the real world. Furthermore, qualifying your statement by stating that the 7900 xtx is better if "you are really not paying attention" and only if playing on an OLED that is properly calibrated is not logical ... all games look better on a properly calibrated OLED, that's why OLED monitors are popular. Even frame generation techniques that create new frames are fine as long as the quality is maintained ... the only downside is an increase in latency, which Nvidia is addressing with Reflex. I would however agree that Path Tracing is beyond current gen hardware.
I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that AMD is more impressive when “you really think about it” ... if you really think about it you would see that Nvidia's 4000 series competes with AMD's 7000 series at half the power draw, which is actually very impressive. It is basically the same thing that AMD is doing to Intel with CPU's, which is also impressive.
I state that I am a former rocket scientist at the start of my videos to set myself apart from the many clowns that have tech UA-cam channels without any meaningful technical background. My guess is that most people who watch my content don't look at my origin story video which explains my background in greater detail. It's great that you are an engineer and want to share your opinion, but I would argue that your opinion appears to be somewhat biased and isn't supported by data.
01:00 How To Overclock Your GPU - Those are free if someone searches on UA-cam, you are selling them $70 bucks
Not sure I understand … what is it you think I’m selling?