EDIT2: Ah, editing at night isn't that great it seems, the drivers used with the 4080 Super are the "551.86" not "571.86" of course. EDIT: There's a typo on the RTX 4080 Super price on the specifications part! It's around $1130, not $799 obviously! With the RX 7900XTX being $899. Hope you guys enjoy this video, and let me know what you think about these results and my chart :D
@@MakeSh00t Yeah I can notice with my naked eye the difference in 300 and 400 fps too and with all this wattage that my 4090 ti SLI rig can pull I also really need the power savings from the 7800X3D as well.....No but seriously, there isn't a huge difference and if there is one at all it usually is insignificant and you wouldn't notice in gaming. (also 7700x faster for production and workload tasks)
In my country, every Nvidia model is pricier than AMD with same performance. I knew some people will bought Nvidia because those seller keep saying Nvidia is better than AMD while they got profits by doing this
Here it's around 100 to 300 more depending on the models. If i were to make a purchase right now i'd definitely go for Nvidia, the tech that you can use with those cards is clearly superior to anything AMD has on offer currently. DLSS and better ray tracing performance may not be worth the higher cost to everyone though, depending on the games they play.
@@docwizi went from a 5700xt so 2070 performance to 7900xt not the xtx and not dissapointed at all its a beast for 1440p gaming. the 20gb vram and 10% faster raster on average compared to 4070ti super it was a no brainer at 699 vs 820 dollars being the cheaper 4070ti super near me.
US consumer here. I bought the 7900 XT for 1440p (paired with 7800X3D). I like RT, sure, but the only tier I like it at *is* the 4080, since most cards under it seemed kinda disappointing to me for the money, and the 4080 variants were all $500 USD more than my 7900 XT, and I didn't feel the 7900 XTX would really serve my interests/needs at ~$200 more (and the power consumption was a concern at that level). My 7900 XT (Sapphire Pulse) was $700, and the cheapest 4080s (any variant/tier) available were over $1200 at the time of purchase. I know the XTX is supposed to be its competition, but that was around $910, too, since I checked. Still a big price jump in the US to get what I'd want out of Nvidia's features. If you're in a place where Nvidia is actually cheaper, go for it. You really can't go wrong with either company, and I'm not a loyalist. I've owned 3dfx, ATI, AMD, and Nvidia. One odd thing to me is the overwhelming criticism of AMD drivers. Besides a rare issue on the cutting edge, I've never had issues. Though, tuning through Nvidia Profile Inspector at a technical level always seemed easier to me for those that like to tailor-make their settings profiles for various games. I had a lot of success with that in Vindictus (custom Source engine variant) back in the day.
AMD drivers issues are so true as NVIDIA hw or sw problems before expected end of life... it all depends if you get the correct jumps when changing from one make to other, when we could... I've lost real money because AMD's non-sensical issues in a show demo in front of potential clients... total nightmare... the same as having to upgrade a PC because Nvidia drivers started to crash a fully working system after an update... mix and match parts and solve the "issue" for years... RX 6000 was a little too epxensive but much better deal than any RTX 30, 20 or GTX 10... now is just RTX 40 is so much better than RX 7000 only problem being as you say prices and availability... but also driver and source code optimization, to the point NVIDIA has stopped to update some games to free man power to work at most profitable AI tasks and some months after go back to let's fix some new games bugs and optimization and launch some features... is the achiles point of AMD, the sw side, not that it is "bad" or "bad" always, but a lot of times you realize (or can show it yourself with your own code) that AMD products had so much more potential of runing faster and better than they do at day 0 of launch or even some years after... good thing they keep support for years going on and you'll be able to retire the hw when it is truly obsolete or superseeded... but time to time it happens... they manage to survive but they can be deceiving like all the others intel, nvidia, apple,...
4070 Super customer here. RT performance is tremendous with DLSS. I thought I wouldn’t want to use DLSS but that’s because FSR on my previous card sucked. DLSS is not only usable, it’s stupid not to use it. You get a performance uplift of 30-50% without sacrificing visual quality. Not to mention that in Battlefield V and a couple of other games I don’t need DLSS and still get 150 FPS at RT High. My performance with RT in some games is so high that instead of DLSS I use DLAA. DLAA is the new TXAA and some games don’t offer DXAA as DLAA is better at increasing sharpness. And guess what…. AMD cards can’t use DLAA.
@@joniqst It's a pretty solid performance difference. Going from a 6950xt which sat between a 3090 and 3090ti is around a 50% increase going to a 7900xtx. I've got both a 6950xt and a 7900xtx, both sapphire nitro, and it's fair to say that the 7900 gets about the same fps or a bit higher native than the 6950xt gets at the same resolution using FSR, this is the most noticeable change between them, the 7900xtx uses about the same or slightly less power than the 6950xt while having a much beefier cooler so it's dead silent too, which is also nice. Edit, the 24gb of vram is also nice, if I leave blender open in the background, some games would run my 16gb of vram out and cause issues, with 24gb I can run blender and any game, even at 4k without issues.
@@PineyJustice I also went from a 6950xt to a 7900xtx, both Powercolor Red devil's. And my experience is just the same as yours. 30-50% performance uplift, less noise, lower temps, and i suppose about the same powerdraw when you calculate in that the 6000 series under reported the powerdraw.
Just got a 7900 xtx for 589 on Amazon. No joke. It turns out it was a bogus listing but I notified Amazon that I had already sold my previous card on the premise of the deal. Which I had. They honored the price. What a steal! THANK YOU AMAZON. Love a company that actually has integrity
Just to let you know, your OC/undervolt setting for AMD GPU card is become standard/benchmark for most of my country AMD community,, Keep up the amazing work👍
where I live the cheapest RTX 4080 super is around 8% more expensive than the cheapest RX 7900XTX (I could find). not insignificant but the RT, DLSS and lower power consumption might be worth it IMO.
@@d4nith3 it is not just about electricity, extra heat meaning your cooling solution will have to work hard to dissipate the extra heat, fans spin faster or the cooler needs to be bigger, also it heats your room - OK in the winter but not so much in the summer.
@@eliadbu The one thing you're missing is the AMD software, you can set per game profiles, undervolt and downclock where it's not needed and keep the 7900xtx well under 200w. From my testing, even at 250w the 7900xtx still performs pretty well, I was able to get it to 250w or less by downclocking from stock 2.5ghz to 2.3ghz. On the upper end, a partner 7900xtx will run around 2.8-2.9ghz with 400w and with tuning will pass 3ghz at 400w. Remember, you can very easily build these profiles on a per game basis in adrenalin.
@@PineyJustice all of that I can do on msi afterburner, which I find myself using more - even when I had AMD card. You can also power limit the RTX 4080 for even lower power consumption. That's the whole point of performance per watt.
Mr 7900XTX where do you see yourself in 5 years? "well I see myself still going strong thanks to my 24gb's of Vram and the next feature 2 feature sets supporting me with FSR and Frame Gen" Mr 4080S where do you see yourself in 5 years? "well in a gaylord being destroyed because no matter how good DLSS 3.0 and frame gen gets it's not gonna be enough to help with my 16gb's of vram and DLSS 4+ isn't a feature I'm allowed to use it's locked to the 50 series and w/e the next DLSS feature etc locked to the next gen the list goes on" remember kids being better at ray tracing, having a better feature seat doesn't account for jack sh*t when every generation the next feature and performance is locked behind a new paywall while the other companies keep doing great things with all their products and not locking down many things because they know people are smarter while NVidia knows idiots will pay for high maintenance garbage that's replaced every 2 years. well the smart ones will actually hold on to their 4090's the dumb ones gotta have the latest and greatest because they have poor money management skills.
I went from a 3080ti to a 7900xtx a year ago. It's been good for the most part. I didn't think I'd miss cuda, but surprisingly, I use it for work. I think if all you do is game, the AMD card is great, but it's a bit unstable when trying to multitask productivity for work. I think next generation I'll be going back to nvidia, but that will depend on how ridiculous their pricing will become. They're greedier than Apple and nastier than EA.
I did! Went sapphire nitro + xtx > 4090, no regrets, lower latency, higher frame rates, better stability, less heat, less power used, better ai capabilities, better overclocking, better under volting, better software. Worse Linux support, AMD’s one crown
@@Giljrg The cheapest new 4090 is €150 more expensive than my 5800X3D + RX 7900 XTX build. Everything from Case to Card inluded. I'd hope it was that much better.
@@Giljrg i grabbed a nitro+ and have had constant driver crashes, i have fresh installed and troubleshooted to no end, but every 7000 card i have had crashes.
Looks like SAM does most of the heavy lifting for the XTX. With only SAM enabled and a healthy undervolt that efficiency gap likely narrows quite a bit.
Thank you so much for your videos bro, I finally put together my PC with my 7900 XT and I couldn't be happier, all thanks to your huge benchmark videos showing all the results I needed to know :3, you were also the main channel I'd check for news whilst my PC parts were in international shipping limbo Really happy to see that you're now getting handed GPUs now as well. Keep it up🤍
I'm rocking a Merc 310 7900XTX with a 7800X3D with SAM enabled. Just running the AMD "Rage" setting I'm getting 3100+mhz boost clocks and this thing is killing it with games running at 4K Ultra settings. Very happy with the rig.
Those merc cards are awesome and close to the sapphire nitro models however I'm not sure why they decided to add a white backplate this time around when the 6000 series all black was such a sleek look.
Here in the UK the price difference is more like £100-130, so the 4080S is more viable here. I recently sold my 1.5y-old XTX and got a new 4080S for an extra £260, which I reckon was worth it for the features, reliability and much better efficiency, plus of course switching from a 1.5y old card to a brand new one. Since I play at 4K, DLSS is extra useful vs. FSR for me.
@@TheMrSatyricon Well having used both for a while now, I think it's worth it, it's not a hypothetical matter as I've tried both now and know for a fact that it was worth it in my case. Even swapping a 1.5y used XTX to a new XTX for £260 would be reasonable, let alone swapping it to a GPU that I'm already feeling a lot of tangible improvements from.
Every case and taste is individual. For me personally, with my gaming preference, the 7900xtx (nitro+) was an absolute no brainer. Happy gaming brother.
I got 4080super 14days ago. I undervolted it to 0.910v/2550mhz+1550memory oc. Power draw is around 200w in 4K(280-320w stock) and performance is same as stock. Crazy good card. Not to mention DLSS/DLAA/DL DSR/Frame gen/RTX HDR/Reflex/RTX super resolution(its pretty good actually for 1080P youtube videos upscale to 4k) features.
@@AncientGameplays if you oc memory to +1550mhz you will get few % more performance and it will offset slower core boost(2700vs2550mhz is 5% slower) so yeah performance will be pretty much same as stock. I tested it in few gmes.
AMD was better in that department than NVIDIA on the previous gen while also being cheaper and offering more VRAM on the high end, and still people didn't buy as much...
@gamer8622 ray tracing is not good in some games that I played like plague tale or even hellblade etc. I tryed to play rt in my 4070 in with my 2k g7 monitor and that's not for me but is good to have as an option as Fabio told for some games that you just can't turn it off and by the way in that games ray tracing is gorgeous like in AFOP . Short terms 4k max textures is better than ray tracing and for that you need vram which 24 gb is very good
@@gamer8622 true, but at the same time it looks like RT and upscaling are becoming the "meta" as we keep going They keep churning out games that hit certain performance (khm khm the 60 fps reference) ...but with upscaling. For pure gaming right now you should get the 7900 XTX depending on your country's prices. If prices are similar I'd go 4080 super any day because of how close it is in raster while being significantly better in everything else + you won't change it for at least next 2 generations (shouldn't) so the upcoming games which, again, are becoming RT and upscaling heavy, will let you ride it out longer and smoother until you finally get the new one years down the road
As someone who has been team green all my life and tried out the 7900 XTX for several months now but I'm going to swap out for an RTX 4080 Super. Let me make this simple for people who's deciding which 1 to get. If you play games just for max FPS and don't care about Ray Tracing but also will be fine with using Adrenaline software tool from AMD go with that card there is no downside and you get just as good or better FPS in some situations. If you want to use Ray Tracing at all like in Soul games or play games that can take advantage of DLSS I would go with the 4080 super and that's exactly why I'm switching I use to not care about Ray Tracing because I mostly played competitive games and just wanted max FPS but now I'm getting into other games that I want to look nicer and turn it on like for example Elden Ring but I notice I get hard frame drops below 60 FPS when I use it with 7900 XTX plus I'm not a fan of Adrenaline software although it looks nice I just can't bother with it I tried on several occasion but it made the game feel worse so I just leave everything on default with custom fan curves so my fans stay on with the card. I feel like Nvidia has a lot better optimization in there Nvidia Control Panel. I also didn't like hearing that AMD would be dropping from making high-end GPUs now which leaves me to believe that sometime in the future I won't be getting as good updates geared towards high end graphics but let's hope that's not the case. If you do go with 7900 XTX I highly suggest 'XFX Speedster MERC310 AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX' I've had no issues with the card and it preforms amazing but again I just want to start getting into other games that use Ray Tracing and team red just can't handle it but other than that I've had zero crashes or any issues with the card and my FPS is always solid.
I prefer power limiting my 7900 xtx by 10%, especially since swapping the stock paste for a kyrosheet. Now there's some older games that I can play without the fans ever spinning up because it doesn't go over the 60C threshold.
I undervolted my 4080 super and limited fans on 1325rpm, my PC is out of the room in hallway. And I don't here fans when when I'm playing even with open door to hallway
I OC-ed + UV-ed mine, power limit up to max. Never crosses 50°C, 65 hotspot, no performance loss. Limiting the fps in some titles where high fps doesnt make a difference like BG3 lowers the wattage to insane lvls. Not even sure if the fans spin in that case even..
Got one and its still eye candy since day 1. Its the reason I bought a case with a glass panel too for the first time (Fractal torrent grey, fits sooo well)
I just got one for 589 on Amazon. No joke. It turns out it was a bogus listing but I notified Amazon that I had already sold my previous card on the premise of the deal. Which I had. They honored the price. What a steal! THANK YOU AMAZON. Love a company that actually has integrity
In most games I slow down my XTX a bit, thus making it use less power. As far as ray tracing is concerned, my guess would be that in a couple years time all present day cards will not be enough and both Nvidia and AMD will get much better ray tracing performance. So buying a 4080 for ray tracing now, may not be a good investment. And FSR vs DLSS, well, for me personally it does not matter because the XTX runs everything I want it to just fine without an upscaler, which is a reason to buy a card like that. So when FSR gets better maybe in the future it will be useful for the XTX, but for now it is kind of irrelevant. Congratulation on the growth of your channel btw. :-)
Similar rasterization means the 7900 XTX wins out for me. Yes, the 4080 Super is more power efficient, better upscaling and has better RT, but while the efficiency would be nice, I still haven't seen a game to make me care about RT outside of CP2077 and Path Tracing, and with cards this powerful I don't need upscaling at 3440x1440. Where the 7900 XTX wins out is a better software experience, lower price for the same performance, and much more RAM in case I need it at some point. (lots of texture mods running in CP2077 for instance). I also would hate to have to go back to using 3rd party software to undervolt and tune my GPU, as well as losing my beloved Radeon Chill, which helps a great deal in mitigating the lesser power efficiency.
Bro can i ask u honestly how is the drivers for AMD Bc im stuck choosing between AND 7900XTX OR RTX 4080 I have the money to buy either i just dont know which one bc everybody is saying AMD drivers r horrible but the 7900xtx is better so im like wth
@sasquatchcrew bro how long have u had the 7900xtx and have u had any problems with drivers or games crashing i play bodycam alot to but im using rtx 4070 rn and im trying to choose between 7900xtx or rtx 4080
@@chrismanning9336 ive owned the 7900 xtx red devil since damn near launch and ive had very very little issues with drivers. had maybe one bad driver? but i just didnt upgrade to it. but since that bad driver all drivers have been nothing but an upgrade since then. get a red devil or nitro+ and you will be in good hands!
Thanks for your great video. I had seen that's with AMD Radeon FSR 3.1 Was my first I had seen from your Channel. And I must say, this actual Video is the only one I could find in UA-cam. For one comparison with the NVIDIA RTX 4080 Super against the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. And one direct comparison with the RayTraycing performance, too I must congratulate you for the very good 👍 explanation, in different Games and resolutions. Bem depois de ver muitos tests com várias placas gráficas, cheguei a conclusão de optar por uma RTX 4080 Super. Eu queria começar pela AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. Mas como a NVIDIA tem uma qualidade superior de Upskaling, e um desempenho melhor em RT. Mas como gosto mais da AMD do que da NVidia. E tenho mais um PC que necessita de um pequeno upgrade tbm. Vou tentar arranjar uma XTX da AMD, em conjunto com dois Ryzen CPU XV3D 5700. Tenho duas Mainboards com Ryzen 2700X e AM4 Socket. Mas faço estes dois Upgrades um atrás do outro. São logo mais 2000€ em conjunto.
After experiencing RT in Metro Exodus, I can never go back. Hopefully AMD catches on to nvidia regarding raytracing/ai cores because it is really something else when developers implement raytracing as a core visual element.
In the video the XTX provides a smoother experience (much better 1% lows) than the 4080 in metro Exodus enhanced edition and you're still over 100 fps avg on the XTX
The OC and SAM gains on the XTX are in some situations game changing lol didnt expect that, Im not the kind of guy to OC my gpu but I might have to take this into consideration for my future purchase thanks for the review
😅😅 I've upgraded from 3070 to 6800xt, from 6800xt to 7900xtx and I am so happy that I went for the 7900xtx, I've never been so happy and comfortable ever since last gtx 1060, best card from Nvidia like 1080ti, only cards that worth Nvidia's Money before.... Now they are only a brand company expensive AF😅😅
All influencers don't stress that ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PLAY. Most common games, competitive shooters and e-sports, don't give a crap about RT, SS/SR and frame generation/fake frames. Thus, if you want FpS to frag opponents, you go AMD. On top of that, games in which you can add all the above mentioned features are usually SLOW PACED adventures and/or RPGs, thus you can comfortably enable them on an AMD card and enjoy those games. Additionally, a normal person doesn't magnify 100x and slow down 500x to spot marginal differences in image quality. Go AMD, save money, and invest them to buy some other better components. Finally, I still haven't seen Nvidia MCM cards. And don't forget Nvidia secured a better production node at TSMC (that YOU pay).
Waited for years for a worthwhile improvement from Nvidia(gtx 1080) lo and behold found it in Team Reds XTX 7900. Works amazing on my 4k TV + 240hz monitor! From what I have read over the years AMD polishes their cards through driver updates so looking forward to see that monster hardware optimized even further!
This right here, makes me feel like I made one of the most intelligent decisions in my life to buy the 7900xtx last year. The sapphire nitro+ card is one beefy boy but no regrets!!
I picked my XFX 7900 XTX last March and have been enjoying true native 4k@60-120fps maxed out gaming on my OLED. It's delicious 😋 Can't recommend this GPU enough.. yes even "for Ray Tracing" lol
I’m in a unique situation where I need 2x HDMI 2.1 and AMD (Sapphire) offers that at a much lower price. On the NVIDIA side only ASUS have 2x HDMI 2.1 and not on every model. DP to HDMI converters have some limitations and don’t work that well.
I was between a 4070 Super and 7900 XTX as it’s only $100 more than the 4070 Super for me… I got the 4070 Super first as I wanted to give it a shot for RT performance. I am honestly very surprised. I am running Battlefield V with RT at 150 FPS and high 1% lows at High settings. If I add DLSS I am over 200 so I run DLAA to sharpen instead at a cost of 30 FPS. It looks lovely. In campaigns I run Frame Gen to get back to 200 FPS with 15ms latency but I get 6ms latency without it in multiplayer… WITH RAY TRACING! And then the big surprise was Cyberpunk 2022. I thought maybe I could run medium with RT on high but definitely not path tracing… I was wrong. I can run path traced RT at high with DLSS and Frame Gen at 90 FPS with 99% lows above 60. It’s actually ridiculously playable. I know so,e people don’t care about RT, I just don’t know why. I think people who feel that way haven’t had enough seat time with an RT experience. Path tracing particularly makes a game like 2077 make sense. It’s so busy graphically that having good lighting and reflections helps the realism immensely.
Here in Mexico the 7900xtx is insanely cheaper compared to Nvidia chips like the 4070 ti super its the same price for the best amd card, idc about ray tracing tbh and using upscaler methods for comparing a gpu is kinda dumb for me since Native res is king at higher resolutions either upscaler just blurs my games xD thanks for this comparison
@@AncientGameplays yea I understand at 1440p I rather play normal native taa or no antialiasing but it’s true that upscaling doesn’t look as bad as it used to be
bro, show me those websites, because cyberpuerta, ddtech, and pcel, both are nearly within margin of error, while the 4070ti super is usually 3000-5000 pesos less than both
@@ishiddddd4783 depends also the availability ive seen the price difference of them cards being almost 2k pesos which is insane and the 4080 reaching crazy numbers at high prices like 22 or 24k pesos
Please go back to providing Ultrawide comparisons as well as you have in the past. 3440 still feels like perfect middle ground for wanting things to looking cinematic and immersive while not breaking performance.
You need to get away from Newegg pricing. It's a $100 price difference, not $250. The 4080 Super is $999 at several outlets, just not scammy Newegg. Newegg are kings of scalping GPUs as long as they can. It's pretty sad when even Best Buy has Asus cards in stock for $999 and Newegg is still scalping. This is _exactly_ why I stopped using Newegg for anything years ago. Is it worth it at a $100 difference? I guess that depends on if you care about RT, power consumption, and Nvidia's superior upscaling. Either way both are great cards but still overpriced IMHO.
@@AncientGameplays PCPartpicker. UA-cam keeps removing links for some reason. Just be glad you aren't in Australia or NZ. Their prices are always all over the place and MSRPs are meaningless. 🤨
Went with the Rtx 4080 super the rx 7900xtx was the exact same price for me. After being on a rog g15 advantage edition laptop 5900x and rx6800m love the new card and even better performance for me since I actually use raytracing in some games😅 and works great with my ultrawide as well. Both of these cards are great but the added data like overclocking is very informative as someone who plans on overclocking it’s shows how much performance is left on the table for either cards great video.
Listen, I only play 2k native with no gimmicks, and for me 7900XTX is the choice to go with. I love my 7900xtx xfx, even though it goes all the way up to 463w. And this is from someone has been with Nvidia since the GTX 8800. This video was fucking great, informative and interesting.
I just bought MSI RTX 4080 Super Slim. That card is insanely quiet, no coil whine and max temp is 68C. I run some test and in CB2077 ver2.12 built in benchmark 1440p High it scored 148fps avg, 133fps min with 5800x3D and rebar enabled. Havent touched OC/UV yet.
I liked my 7900xtx raw power, but I found myself wanting more than just raw power as I toggled on RT in more and more games that made a huge difference in visuals which is why I decided to sidestep hope to the 4080 Super. Thankfully I got it for the MSRP $1000 1-day launch. Also, I didn't quite like the high-power draw of the XTX. and with me losing the silicon lottery that didn't help as I then couldn't tame that power draw much in the ways on undervolting without limiting the power limit and losing to much in terms of performance lol. At lease now with the 4080 super my room is a lot more comfortable to game in for a few hours longer temp wise. 😋
What I did with my 4080S is look at the clock speeds it boosts to in Afterburner then try to use the power curve to bring it down as much as possible while staying at the same boost clocks and stability. Then I tweaked up the memory bandwidth to where it was also stable. It keeps a power limit on boost clocks but increases performance.
I'd love an XTX myself but I just can't warrant spending $600+ on a new GPU that doesn't do competent raytracing. It's not 2018 anymore. RT actually matters now. It's not important enough to me that I'd replace a decent GPU for _just_ RT, but when I replace my 3080ti if AMD doesn't step up on it's RT performance I'll be going Nvidia again. I just wish AMD would take it's GPU division as seriously as it does CPUs.
I live in an apartment complex that has smart meters for electricity usage. The power collective adds a surcharge if your Kw/hrs. exceed a certain amount. The readings are monitored in real time, so I have to game between the hours of 0230 and 0246. I utilize a Nvidia GPU that draws 18.6 Gigawatts so Marty and Doc can cross the time/space continuum safely.
If 4080 super had 20 GB of VRAM then it wouldn't have any competition, but taking things as they are right now, 7900 xtx it's the better option for non-RT games, while the 4080 super it's where it shines best.
@@bog2501 You are seeing allocation; not usage (some overlays need to label things better). This has caused a lot of people to have a false belief that they need this much VRAM for gaming. Fabio is correct, it's very likely by the time you need more than 16GB of vram we will all be using different GPU's
people saying FSR is junk is people that never used FSR apart from 3 titles and at low res. FSR is inferior, but far from junk (taking off very poor implementations of course). Also, we'll have very soon the first game with FSR 3.1
Good Video. My feelings after trying both of these cards is the software / upscaler / RT is where the meaningful differences are. Put differently, the XTX gives you 80 more frames in one of it's biggest wins; but that's in a situation where the 4080 is already at 200FPS; you're not going to be able to tell the difference between 200 and 300 FPS without a frame counter in the corner. However the difference between DLSS vs FSR, AMD Noise suppression vs Nvidia Broadcast and RT performance between the two cards is immediately noticeable and to the point where on the XTX the experience is heavily compromised in comparison; you can't find a situation in which the opposite is true. DLSS being the most relevant of those 3 by far with upscaling being included in nearly everything that comes out now. I know this comes across as a nvidia fanboy; but I tried AMD's flagship first and **really** wanted to keep the XTX nitro+, I went through all sorts of mental justifications to try keeping it (so pretty). I just don't think **At this tier of GPU** saving 200 is worth the compromises given most people are keeping these cards for 3ish years.
I can definitely notice an 80fps difference. 30 to 60 to 90 to 120 to 160-180 to 240 to 320 are stages I can identify. Though this is because I work on screens with all of these. It's not impossible. It's just what you're used to. 10 years ago it was normal for the average person to say that you can't notice 60. A big chunk of gamers say 60+ is unnoticeable. But I would argue that these stages are very noticeable. The difference in responsiveness and animation fluidity is massive.
@@KonglomeratYT I have not said anything about 60+ or 30-60 fps. I made a very specific claim that after a certain FPS there's not much difference unless you're talking like 240hz vs 540hz, in the super niche scenario's that you can actually maintain that kind of FPS, and be good enough to gain an advantage. You can't expect anyone to buy the idea that you can feel the difference between 160 and 180FPS...do you? You're talking about 0.75ms. 240 and 320 - 1.14ms. No you cannot, just stop my guy. You're feeling yourself way too much here.
im in pretty much a similar boat, got the 7900XT and in general performance it's pretty good and with good overclocking it gets to 4080/xtx with stock clocks in rasterization, but you do notice the difference in toolset, ended up swapping it for a 4070ti super, since it no longer had the 12gb vram problem as the 4070ti and is generally faster than it, price here is the same for both, 70ti super and XT, besides the jump to stuff like the xtx and 4080super isn't big enough to justify 200-400usd more for 10-15% extra performance that i can get back overclocking. That and RDNA3 gave me a lot of headaches compared to polaris or rdna2 combined, i love amd and that they are trying to compete and are doing a decent job at it, but it shows in toolset and stability for a lot of tasks, especially ones that don't have support or are simply not up to par, to date the problem of having recording enabled and it crashing your system still hasn't been fully fixed on RDNA3. People need to adopt the mindset of buying products, not brands, no loyalty, not bootlicking, these are still just pc components, amd or nvidia, bootlicking amd is still as bad as nvidia, buy the component that does the job and you are happy with.
Hey, did you have to buy those gpus, or you got them for free by the companies? If I recall correctly, a while ago you had the issue with companies not sending any sample gpus to you, it's nice if it has changed
I bought the 7900XTX when it came out, with the 4080 Super being sent by NVIDIA as said in the video's intro :D After that post it seems things are running better gladly!
in your previous videos, you actually helped me to go for the 4080 super which i finally got yesterday. i think its just the more modern card compared to the 7900 xtx.
I've had my trusty XFX RX 580 8GB for almost 5 years now. It still works like new but I've decided to get the 7900 XTX since my old dear can't deal with 1440p ultrawide. Or hasn't arrived yet but I'm excited.
I spent the extra on the 4080 Super because I wanted better looking DLSS and raytracing as well as lower power consumption overall. I was not looking for 'value' so much in this regard. I also understand that FSR will be getting visual improvements in 3.1 and as it is open to anyone to use it means I can still use it on my 4080 Super in certain scenarios. It's a win win all round even if AMD wins in some games that favour their hardware.
It depends where someone lives I guess, here in CA they are the same price so it becomes a clear choice to choose the 4080 S, I don't think anyone can argue that NVIDIA is better overall.
I went with a 4080 super, ray tracing is the future, and FSR is way behind DLSS now. I do wish it had more than 16GB of VRAM, but 16GB of VRAM is not at risk of being obsolete even at 4K. Path tracing max Cyberpunk 2077 look so much better, and the reflections are super mind blowing. The 4080 super in the USA only costs a little more, and gives you so much more. If AMD wants to compete this gen they need to drop prices a lot more. The 7900 XTX's power consumption is also pretty concerning, on my rig with a i7-14700f (non K), I only consume a little more than 500watts with my monitor, speakers and computer running cyberpunk 2077. Ada Lovelace is super power efficient
@@AncientGameplays yeah rdna 3's ray tracing performance is definitely better than last gen. At least for path tracing you need frame gen and good upscaling. Unless AMD can do a better job getting devs to use FSR 3 frame gen, then AMD won't be able to do well with path tracing or heavy ray tracing games. For games with light amounts of ray tracing RDNA 3 is fine. But unless the price of the card gets around 700-800$, I don't think AMD is worth it for high end cards, only low end cards this gen they're worth it
AMD needs to dial down some watts, I mean when it comes to the RX6000 Series vs RTX3000 series, the 6000 series were sucking less watts and performing the same performance as their counter part, but in this case Nvidia use Uno reverse card here and AMD draws more power on Rx 7000 series against RTX4000 Series 😅
6000 vs 3000 series were using same watts for the same performance ... they were both on the same node 7000 vs 4000 series is a small difference in watts, because AMD is on a 6nm for the packaging and 5nm for the core, so it does an extra 50W (in lower categories) to 100W in higher categories. It's still not double the wattage ... doesn't really matter. You wanna see real power consumption? Look at Arc A770 vs RTX4060. Same performance ~ but 2x Wattage
Here in Brazil, the 7900XTX is getting quite a bit cheaper than the 4080 super, but it's still too expensive in my opinion. I'm one of those people who has incredibly unpopular opinions when it comes to graphics cards, and my list of priorites in a GPU are basically reversed from most people here, so when I'm purcashing a GPU, my needs are like this (Upscaling > Ray Tracing > Frame Generation > Rasterization performance). In that scenario, I'm kinda stuck with a 7900XTX that won't really do what I want at all, and will be a waste of money, or an underperforming 4070ti Super vs a 4080 super. It's a lose-lose situation, I guess.
sai de uma rtx 3070 para XFX Merc 310 7900xtx, 0 arrependimentos (comprei nos EUA por 5.2k com impostos) A bixa não passa de 60°c e 70°c no hotspot. Nunca usei ray tracing, mas não acho que compensa a perca de perfomance, mesmo nas 4000...
i bought a 4080 last year for the sole reason i wanted to use it for AI, which i use a lot, and AMD was terrible at it at the time. quite honestly, i don't think raytracing is worth it. only game i played with it all the way up was alan wake 2, and i found that game so boring and disappointing that i dropped it 5 hours in and went to play its much superior prequel once again instead. plus the game still looks just as good without it. yeah side by side you'll notice a big difference, but when playing you even forget if you have it on or off
@@AncientGameplays It really is, but it's what I want. I can save a little and get a better GPU, but the 7900XTX just won't cut it for Path Traced Cyberpunk and Path Traced Alan Wake 2. So I'm either saving for a 4070Ti Super or a 4080 Super. Those are my only options. I'm playing at 3440x1440
@@Eduard0Nordestino É que eu curto e entendo muito da tecnologia, e como eu gosto disso, eu acabo priorizando isso acima de gráficos com rasterização. Eu consigo perceber as diferenças de um jogo com e sem RT, até mesmo em implementações simples, como sombras. Quando entra em iluminação global (RTGI), Oclusão de Ambiente (RTAO), tudo isso contribui para uma imagem muito melhor. Eu gosto muito da tecnologia, então é minha prioridade no momento.
W vid. And included cyberpunk ray traced comparison. Was hoping for path tracing and Alan wake 2 path tracing but that’s ok. Thx for including all that and 1440 res 🙏
@@AncientGameplays that’s cool. I’ll try and find a comparison. Currently I have a 7800 xt. Do you think I should wait until 5000 series later this year or just go for 4080 super later in the summer?
I brought an Asus tuf Rx 7900 xtx oc and love it, friends keep harping on about 4090s but 10% more performance for 50% more cost is just crazy to me 😂😂
Hey Fabio. First off, thank you. You always respond and show love to your community. Just a quick question. What overlay do you use to record you GPU stats?
I run 2 gaming computers... one in my gaming room and one in my office down stairs... I run both NVIDIA and AMD..once in each...and to be honest... i dont see any difference in game play or graphics..... if u need to RUN BENCHMARKS to see small percentage differences... stop being a fan boi and save the extra money with the Radeon.
I’m rocking the 7900xtx and don’t even wanna look back at Nvidia anymore. For the time being as someone who isn’t a big ray tracing fan the xtx is delivering amazing results in both triple a single player games and competitive online games. I play Halo, Valorant, MK1 and League of legends as my main competitive titles and some of my favorite single player games are the souls, Rdr2, Doom eternal, Forbidden West etc… I couldn’t be happier with the performance of this card highly recommend in Europe the xtx the price gap is huge! The 4080super comes about 240€ more expensive than the xtx which is a whole motherboard or an ssd lol😅
calling it trash is just bullshit sorry. Even FSR is not THAT BAD as people paint it (besides some really poor implementations or really low render resolutions). You do you, but saying "techs" and then "trash" is just nonsense
coming from a 3060ti Vram was a bust for me fps was not great for 4k 7900xtx I upgraded to has been amazing. Having crashing issues with vram is a thing in the past now that I have upgraded. Guess it's diff for all of us. 4k Oled C2 LG. Also the 7900xtx I just run native most of the time @ 4k
I was so “4080 super and nothing can change my mind” then “why should I waste £250” and I think I’ve made the right choice. Been on team green since forever… time to spice things up
It's such a shame that the distributors here in Japan tend to put higher markups on Radeon products. The cheapest 7900XTX currently goes for like only $100 cheaper than the 4080 Super. Hard to pick Radeon cards when the sellers have been sabotaging like this
Until ray tracing has such an impact on performance that it will be necessary to use crutches in the form of DLSS and FSR, I don’t need it. I'd rather choose similar raw performance with more video memory (I had a RXT 3070 and I know what I'm talking about) and better components at a lower cost than RTX On. But thanks for the video :)
I am at the stage of "looking" for a new GPU. I currently own an RX 6800 XT, I was thinking about an RTX 4070 TI Super 16gb but I think the 4080 Super would be a better choice. Radeon unfortunately discourages me, it takes too much power even after UV it is not a good investment. Electricity is getting more expensive it is already a luxury to have a GPU that takes 100-150W more ! (7900XTX vs 4080S). I'm going back to Nvidia, after so many years. Cheers !
EDIT2: Ah, editing at night isn't that great it seems, the drivers used with the 4080 Super are the "551.86" not "571.86" of course.
EDIT: There's a typo on the RTX 4080 Super price on the specifications part! It's around $1130, not $799 obviously! With the RX 7900XTX being $899.
Hope you guys enjoy this video, and let me know what you think about these results and my chart :D
when you will have 7800x3d the difference is huge in fps.
Nah, it really isn't. I have it on another build, and apart from 1080P and 1440P in some scenarios, the difference is small@@MakeSh00t
@@MakeSh00t Yeah I can notice with my naked eye the difference in 300 and 400 fps too and with all this wattage that my 4090 ti SLI rig can pull I also really need the power savings from the 7800X3D as well.....No but seriously, there isn't a huge difference and if there is one at all it usually is insignificant and you wouldn't notice in gaming. (also 7700x faster for production and workload tasks)
7700x is currently 290.00 USD while 7800X3D is currently 390.00 USD.....@@MakeSh00t
@@dakbassettthere’s no 4090ti ?
In Spain the 4080 super is 200€ more expensive than the 7900xtx, so even inside Europe prices changes depending on the country.
Yeah, even stores will change (because of models too)
Here, its the same as the OG 4080 which is around $350 to $400 more.
In my country, every Nvidia model is pricier than AMD with same performance. I knew some people will bought Nvidia because those seller keep saying Nvidia is better than AMD while they got profits by doing this
Here it's around 100 to 300 more depending on the models. If i were to make a purchase right now i'd definitely go for Nvidia, the tech that you can use with those cards is clearly superior to anything AMD has on offer currently. DLSS and better ray tracing performance may not be worth the higher cost to everyone though, depending on the games they play.
Here in Italy 4080 non supers cost 50€ more (1000€) than 7900xtx (950€). I'm not talking about Amazon ofc. The prices on Amazon are completely broken.
I went with a 7900xtx after rocking a 1080ti for years. It's a solid card.
That was my upgrade last too.
I went from a 1070 so a massive leap for us all. Not disappointed with my purchase at all.
@@docwizi went from a 5700xt so 2070 performance to 7900xt not the xtx and not dissapointed at all its a beast for 1440p gaming. the 20gb vram and 10% faster raster on average compared to 4070ti super it was a no brainer at 699 vs 820 dollars being the cheaper 4070ti super near me.
Same, love my XTX.
I also upgraded to a 7900xtx from 2070super surely enjoy my new card
My man rocking some free GPUs , happy for you. Your tutorial on anermines drivers helps my Rx live some more months 🎉
Thank you! Helps a lot not having to spend all that money!
There is more cause it change overtime u can also put profile which help with FPS in game u have many advanced options now.
US consumer here. I bought the 7900 XT for 1440p (paired with 7800X3D). I like RT, sure, but the only tier I like it at *is* the 4080, since most cards under it seemed kinda disappointing to me for the money, and the 4080 variants were all $500 USD more than my 7900 XT, and I didn't feel the 7900 XTX would really serve my interests/needs at ~$200 more (and the power consumption was a concern at that level).
My 7900 XT (Sapphire Pulse) was $700, and the cheapest 4080s (any variant/tier) available were over $1200 at the time of purchase. I know the XTX is supposed to be its competition, but that was around $910, too, since I checked. Still a big price jump in the US to get what I'd want out of Nvidia's features.
If you're in a place where Nvidia is actually cheaper, go for it. You really can't go wrong with either company, and I'm not a loyalist. I've owned 3dfx, ATI, AMD, and Nvidia. One odd thing to me is the overwhelming criticism of AMD drivers. Besides a rare issue on the cutting edge, I've never had issues. Though, tuning through Nvidia Profile Inspector at a technical level always seemed easier to me for those that like to tailor-make their settings profiles for various games. I had a lot of success with that in Vindictus (custom Source engine variant) back in the day.
AMD drivers issues are so true as NVIDIA hw or sw problems before expected end of life... it all depends if you get the correct jumps when changing from one make to other, when we could... I've lost real money because AMD's non-sensical issues in a show demo in front of potential clients... total nightmare... the same as having to upgrade a PC because Nvidia drivers started to crash a fully working system after an update... mix and match parts and solve the "issue" for years... RX 6000 was a little too epxensive but much better deal than any RTX 30, 20 or GTX 10... now is just RTX 40 is so much better than RX 7000 only problem being as you say prices and availability... but also driver and source code optimization, to the point NVIDIA has stopped to update some games to free man power to work at most profitable AI tasks and some months after go back to let's fix some new games bugs and optimization and launch some features... is the achiles point of AMD, the sw side, not that it is "bad" or "bad" always, but a lot of times you realize (or can show it yourself with your own code) that AMD products had so much more potential of runing faster and better than they do at day 0 of launch or even some years after... good thing they keep support for years going on and you'll be able to retire the hw when it is truly obsolete or superseeded... but time to time it happens... they manage to survive but they can be deceiving like all the others intel, nvidia, apple,...
4070 Super customer here. RT performance is tremendous with DLSS. I thought I wouldn’t want to use DLSS but that’s because FSR on my previous card sucked. DLSS is not only usable, it’s stupid not to use it. You get a performance uplift of 30-50% without sacrificing visual quality. Not to mention that in Battlefield V and a couple of other games I don’t need DLSS and still get 150 FPS at RT High. My performance with RT in some games is so high that instead of DLSS I use DLAA. DLAA is the new TXAA and some games don’t offer DXAA as DLAA is better at increasing sharpness. And guess what…. AMD cards can’t use DLAA.
I've had driver issues with most cards I've had, Nvidia and AMD. I've had more ony older Nvidia ones though.
Another superb video. I upgraded from 3080 Ti to 7900XTX and I am very pleased with it so far.
Great to hear!
What was the perf difference for you?
@@joniqst It's a pretty solid performance difference. Going from a 6950xt which sat between a 3090 and 3090ti is around a 50% increase going to a 7900xtx. I've got both a 6950xt and a 7900xtx, both sapphire nitro, and it's fair to say that the 7900 gets about the same fps or a bit higher native than the 6950xt gets at the same resolution using FSR, this is the most noticeable change between them, the 7900xtx uses about the same or slightly less power than the 6950xt while having a much beefier cooler so it's dead silent too, which is also nice.
Edit, the 24gb of vram is also nice, if I leave blender open in the background, some games would run my 16gb of vram out and cause issues, with 24gb I can run blender and any game, even at 4k without issues.
@@PineyJustice I also went from a 6950xt to a 7900xtx, both Powercolor Red devil's. And my experience is just the same as yours. 30-50% performance uplift, less noise, lower temps, and i suppose about the same powerdraw when you calculate in that the 6000 series under reported the powerdraw.
@@joniqst 30-35% uplift. I had the 3080ti and went to the 7900xtx at a time to.
Just got a 7900 xtx for 589 on Amazon. No joke. It turns out it was a bogus listing but I notified Amazon that I had already sold my previous card on the premise of the deal. Which I had. They honored the price. What a steal! THANK YOU AMAZON. Love a company that actually has integrity
thats amazing
Just to let you know, your OC/undervolt setting for AMD GPU card is become standard/benchmark for most of my country AMD community,,
Keep up the amazing work👍
Glad to hear! Cheers
Indonesia?
AMD cards are very sensitive to driver version and game engine. Personally, I recommend a few OC/UV profiles if you play a lot.
Is there a good program to test gpu oc stability? Currently i run default due to warzone beeing so sensitive to gpu OC
I purchased the Sapphire Nitro + 7900 XTX almost a year ago and it is a juggernaut of a card.
are you having any driver time out issues ?
@@chaosconspectus Nope that was a last year thing. Doesn't happen anymore.
@@SemperValor It still happens often in some games. In fact it's got worse not better the last 3 driver updates. It has always had driver issues.
@@Abadeez Maybe check your system i've had a 6950xt for about a year now and had zero driver issues.
@@Abadeezare you undervolting or Overclocking?
Thank you for including MSFS 2020 in your review. Many don't.
where I live the cheapest RTX 4080 super is around 8% more expensive than the cheapest RX 7900XTX (I could find).
not insignificant but the RT, DLSS and lower power consumption might be worth it IMO.
@@d4nith3 it is not just about electricity, extra heat meaning your cooling solution will have to work hard to dissipate the extra heat, fans spin faster or the cooler needs to be bigger, also it heats your room - OK in the winter but not so much in the summer.
@@eliadbu The one thing you're missing is the AMD software, you can set per game profiles, undervolt and downclock where it's not needed and keep the 7900xtx well under 200w. From my testing, even at 250w the 7900xtx still performs pretty well, I was able to get it to 250w or less by downclocking from stock 2.5ghz to 2.3ghz. On the upper end, a partner 7900xtx will run around 2.8-2.9ghz with 400w and with tuning will pass 3ghz at 400w. Remember, you can very easily build these profiles on a per game basis in adrenalin.
@@PineyJustice all of that I can do on msi afterburner, which I find myself using more - even when I had AMD card. You can also power limit the RTX 4080 for even lower power consumption. That's the whole point of performance per watt.
@@eliadbu afterburner, obs and more shit. ends up eating like 3-5% CPU performance so even less perf compared to XTX.
@@Pixel_FX BS. I checked on my system and few other there is no difference in performance outside margin of error.
Mr 7900XTX where do you see yourself in 5 years? "well I see myself still going strong thanks to my 24gb's of Vram and the next feature 2 feature sets supporting me with FSR and Frame Gen" Mr 4080S where do you see yourself in 5 years? "well in a gaylord being destroyed because no matter how good DLSS 3.0 and frame gen gets it's not gonna be enough to help with my 16gb's of vram and DLSS 4+ isn't a feature I'm allowed to use it's locked to the 50 series and w/e the next DLSS feature etc locked to the next gen the list goes on"
remember kids being better at ray tracing, having a better feature seat doesn't account for jack sh*t when every generation the next feature and performance is locked behind a new paywall while the other companies keep doing great things with all their products and not locking down many things because they know people are smarter while NVidia knows idiots will pay for high maintenance garbage that's replaced every 2 years. well the smart ones will actually hold on to their 4090's the dumb ones gotta have the latest and greatest because they have poor money management skills.
Sadly no 8900 XTX with 32gb, it looks like back to Nvidia with the 5090
I went from a 3080ti to a 7900xtx a year ago. It's been good for the most part. I didn't think I'd miss cuda, but surprisingly, I use it for work. I think if all you do is game, the AMD card is great, but it's a bit unstable when trying to multitask productivity for work. I think next generation I'll be going back to nvidia, but that will depend on how ridiculous their pricing will become. They're greedier than Apple and nastier than EA.
Yeah, rocm is only starting, but if you use it, the performance improvements with rdna3 are BIG
I'm rocking 7900xtx, would not go back to nvidia so far tbh
I did! Went sapphire nitro + xtx > 4090, no regrets, lower latency, higher frame rates, better stability, less heat, less power used, better ai capabilities, better overclocking, better under volting, better software. Worse Linux support, AMD’s one crown
@@Giljrg The cheapest new 4090 is €150 more expensive than my 5800X3D + RX 7900 XTX build. Everything from Case to Card inluded. I'd hope it was that much better.
@@Giljrg AMD = no melting power connectors,🤣 better keep a fire extinguisher close by.
@@Giljrg i grabbed a nitro+ and have had constant driver crashes, i have fresh installed and troubleshooted to no end, but every 7000 card i have had crashes.
@@chaosconspectus feel your pain bro, i'm worried to sell it cos whoever i sell my 7900 xtx to will complain of the crashes!
Looks like SAM does most of the heavy lifting for the XTX. With only SAM enabled and a healthy undervolt that efficiency gap likely narrows quite a bit.
Thank you so much for your videos bro, I finally put together my PC with my 7900 XT and I couldn't be happier, all thanks to your huge benchmark videos showing all the results I needed to know :3, you were also the main channel I'd check for news whilst my PC parts were in international shipping limbo
Really happy to see that you're now getting handed GPUs now as well. Keep it up🤍
Thank you for your kind words!
@@AncientGameplaysbro where are rasterization benchmarks
I'm rocking a Merc 310 7900XTX with a 7800X3D with SAM enabled. Just running the AMD "Rage" setting I'm getting 3100+mhz boost clocks and this thing is killing it with games running at 4K Ultra settings. Very happy with the rig.
Those merc cards are awesome and close to the sapphire nitro models however I'm not sure why they decided to add a white backplate this time around when the 6000 series all black was such a sleek look.
Amazing work! thk for the benchmarks
Thank you as well!
Here in the UK the price difference is more like £100-130, so the 4080S is more viable here. I recently sold my 1.5y-old XTX and got a new 4080S for an extra £260, which I reckon was worth it for the features, reliability and much better efficiency, plus of course switching from a 1.5y old card to a brand new one. Since I play at 4K, DLSS is extra useful vs. FSR for me.
So you have payed the price of almost middle budget card and think that was worth it? 😂
@@TheMrSatyricon Well having used both for a while now, I think it's worth it, it's not a hypothetical matter as I've tried both now and know for a fact that it was worth it in my case. Even swapping a 1.5y used XTX to a new XTX for £260 would be reasonable, let alone swapping it to a GPU that I'm already feeling a lot of tangible improvements from.
Every case and taste is individual. For me personally, with my gaming preference, the 7900xtx (nitro+) was an absolute no brainer. Happy gaming brother.
I got 4080super 14days ago. I undervolted it to 0.910v/2550mhz+1550memory oc. Power draw is around 200w in 4K(280-320w stock) and performance is same as stock. Crazy good card. Not to mention DLSS/DLAA/DL DSR/Frame gen/RTX HDR/Reflex/RTX super resolution(its pretty good actually for 1080P youtube videos upscale to 4k) features.
Performance can't be the same as stock as rhe gpu usually boost to 2700MHz or more, but surely is a great power saving profile
@@AncientGameplays if you oc memory to +1550mhz you will get few % more performance and it will offset slower core boost(2700vs2550mhz is 5% slower) so yeah performance will be pretty much same as stock. I tested it in few gmes.
@@HEAD123456Depends on resolution, memory OC only matters in 4K since in 1440p and lower there's no bottleneck on a 256bit bus.
@@anitaremenarova6662 yeah i play in 4K(48" LG c1 oled)
@@HEAD123456OLED master race.
It’s the power consumption for me. AMD really needs to focus on that for the next gen of cards.
AMD was better in that department than NVIDIA on the previous gen while also being cheaper and offering more VRAM on the high end, and still people didn't buy as much...
@@AncientGameplaysit comes down to their MCM(ish) design. Those extra chiplets need more power.
@Mopantsu The high-bandwidth interlink takes 70W all on its own from what I've heard, crazy enough.
Meh who cares honestly? The only ppl that care are ones who stare at spec sheets
I love how you give positives and negatives to both of them, and being reasonable about it all.
Yeah, that's me
Well i got 7900xtx to play native 4k on max setting, not to use upscale or ray tracing and is doing very good so far.
For real bro. Nvidia leaning on dlss and rt to justify their gouging is crazy
@gamer8622 ray tracing is not good in some games that I played like plague tale or even hellblade etc. I tryed to play rt in my 4070 in with my 2k g7 monitor and that's not for me but is good to have as an option as Fabio told for some games that you just can't turn it off and by the way in that games ray tracing is gorgeous like in AFOP . Short terms 4k max textures is better than ray tracing and for that you need vram which 24 gb is very good
@@gamer8622 true, but at the same time it looks like RT and upscaling are becoming the "meta" as we keep going
They keep churning out games that hit certain performance (khm khm the 60 fps reference) ...but with upscaling.
For pure gaming right now you should get the 7900 XTX depending on your country's prices.
If prices are similar I'd go 4080 super any day because of how close it is in raster while being significantly better in everything else + you won't change it for at least next 2 generations (shouldn't) so the upcoming games which, again, are becoming RT and upscaling heavy, will let you ride it out longer and smoother until you finally get the new one years down the road
I hope that before the 7900 xtx will be too weak for 4k, AMD will improve FSR enough that I won't have to change the GPU for a long time ;)
@rENEGADE666JEDI the 7900xtx won't be weak in 4k for years to come..its a 4k card...it'll run 4k forever lmao
Can't wait for that 7900Gre video. I have the hellhound version!
As someone who has been team green all my life and tried out the 7900 XTX for several months now but I'm going to swap out for an RTX 4080 Super. Let me make this simple for people who's deciding which 1 to get. If you play games just for max FPS and don't care about Ray Tracing but also will be fine with using Adrenaline software tool from AMD go with that card there is no downside and you get just as good or better FPS in some situations. If you want to use Ray Tracing at all like in Soul games or play games that can take advantage of DLSS I would go with the 4080 super and that's exactly why I'm switching I use to not care about Ray Tracing because I mostly played competitive games and just wanted max FPS but now I'm getting into other games that I want to look nicer and turn it on like for example Elden Ring but I notice I get hard frame drops below 60 FPS when I use it with 7900 XTX plus I'm not a fan of Adrenaline software although it looks nice I just can't bother with it I tried on several occasion but it made the game feel worse so I just leave everything on default with custom fan curves so my fans stay on with the card. I feel like Nvidia has a lot better optimization in there Nvidia Control Panel. I also didn't like hearing that AMD would be dropping from making high-end GPUs now which leaves me to believe that sometime in the future I won't be getting as good updates geared towards high end graphics but let's hope that's not the case.
If you do go with 7900 XTX I highly suggest 'XFX Speedster MERC310 AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX' I've had no issues with the card and it preforms amazing but again I just want to start getting into other games that use Ray Tracing and team red just can't handle it but other than that I've had zero crashes or any issues with the card and my FPS is always solid.
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Glad I got my 7900 xtx when it was on a sale.
I prefer power limiting my 7900 xtx by 10%, especially since swapping the stock paste for a kyrosheet. Now there's some older games that I can play without the fans ever spinning up because it doesn't go over the 60C threshold.
I undervolted my 4080 super and limited fans on 1325rpm, my PC is out of the room in hallway. And I don't here fans when when I'm playing even with open door to hallway
I OC-ed + UV-ed mine, power limit up to max. Never crosses 50°C, 65 hotspot, no performance loss.
Limiting the fps in some titles where high fps doesnt make a difference like BG3 lowers the wattage to insane lvls. Not even sure if the fans spin in that case even..
If I had to buy one of these, I would get the sapphire 7900 xtx. The design is perfection.
Got one and its still eye candy since day 1. Its the reason I bought a case with a glass panel too for the first time (Fractal torrent grey, fits sooo well)
If you are patient you can find the RX 7900xtx on sale fairly often. Found one on New Egg last week for around $799.
That's crazy
You WHAT?
only in america, the rest of the world dont have frequent discount like that
I just got one for 589 on Amazon. No joke. It turns out it was a bogus listing but I notified Amazon that I had already sold my previous card on the premise of the deal. Which I had. They honored the price. What a steal! THANK YOU AMAZON. Love a company that actually has integrity
what a steal indeed!!
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In most games I slow down my XTX a bit, thus making it use less power. As far as ray tracing is concerned, my guess would be that in a couple years time all present day cards will not be enough and both Nvidia and AMD will get much better ray tracing performance. So buying a 4080 for ray tracing now, may not be a good investment. And FSR vs DLSS, well, for me personally it does not matter because the XTX runs everything I want it to just fine without an upscaler, which is a reason to buy a card like that. So when FSR gets better maybe in the future it will be useful for the XTX, but for now it is kind of irrelevant. Congratulation on the growth of your channel btw. :-)
Sounds like a bunch of cope to me
No idea what that means.@@tomgreene5388
@@tomgreene5388sounds like he has a gpu that does what he wants so he doesn't need gimmicks that are overpriced. Sour much?
@@tomgreene5388 Hard to cope is Nvidia's pricing since the pandemic.
@@setadoon sounds like you just took a big hit of cope before you came in here
Similar rasterization means the 7900 XTX wins out for me. Yes, the 4080 Super is more power efficient, better upscaling and has better RT, but while the efficiency would be nice, I still haven't seen a game to make me care about RT outside of CP2077 and Path Tracing, and with cards this powerful I don't need upscaling at 3440x1440. Where the 7900 XTX wins out is a better software experience, lower price for the same performance, and much more RAM in case I need it at some point. (lots of texture mods running in CP2077 for instance). I also would hate to have to go back to using 3rd party software to undervolt and tune my GPU, as well as losing my beloved Radeon Chill, which helps a great deal in mitigating the lesser power efficiency.
while I also have a 7900xtx, I finally fell in love with this Body Cam game and so far Raytracing is a bare minimum requirement for it :o
Bro can i ask u honestly how is the drivers for AMD Bc im stuck choosing between AND 7900XTX OR RTX 4080 I have the money to buy either i just dont know which one bc everybody is saying AMD drivers r horrible but the 7900xtx is better so im like wth
@sasquatchcrew bro how long have u had the 7900xtx and have u had any problems with drivers or games crashing i play bodycam alot to but im using rtx 4070 rn and im trying to choose between 7900xtx or rtx 4080
@@chrismanning9336 ive owned the 7900 xtx red devil since damn near launch and ive had very very little issues with drivers. had maybe one bad driver? but i just didnt upgrade to it. but since that bad driver all drivers have been nothing but an upgrade since then. get a red devil or nitro+ and you will be in good hands!
Thanks for your great video. I had seen that's with AMD Radeon FSR 3.1
Was my first I had seen from your Channel. And I must say, this actual Video is the only one I could find in UA-cam. For one comparison with the NVIDIA RTX 4080 Super against the AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX. And one direct comparison with the RayTraycing performance, too
I must congratulate you for the very good 👍 explanation, in different Games and resolutions.
Bem depois de ver muitos tests com várias placas gráficas, cheguei a conclusão de optar por uma RTX 4080 Super. Eu queria começar pela AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX.
Mas como a NVIDIA tem uma qualidade superior de Upskaling, e um desempenho melhor em RT. Mas como gosto mais da AMD do que da NVidia. E tenho mais um PC que necessita de um pequeno upgrade tbm. Vou tentar arranjar uma XTX da AMD, em conjunto com dois Ryzen CPU XV3D 5700. Tenho duas Mainboards com Ryzen 2700X e AM4 Socket. Mas faço estes dois Upgrades um atrás do outro. São logo mais 2000€ em conjunto.
After experiencing RT in Metro Exodus, I can never go back. Hopefully AMD catches on to nvidia regarding raytracing/ai cores because it is really something else when developers implement raytracing as a core visual element.
In the video the XTX provides a smoother experience (much better 1% lows) than the 4080 in metro Exodus enhanced edition and you're still over 100 fps avg on the XTX
@@AMD718 the point is as a general metric, not just metro exodus
The OC and SAM gains on the XTX are in some situations game changing lol didnt expect that, Im not the kind of guy to OC my gpu but I might have to take this into consideration for my future purchase thanks for the review
😅😅 I've upgraded from 3070 to 6800xt, from 6800xt to 7900xtx and I am so happy that I went for the 7900xtx, I've never been so happy and comfortable ever since last gtx 1060, best card from Nvidia like 1080ti, only cards that worth Nvidia's Money before.... Now they are only a brand company expensive AF😅😅
All influencers don't stress that ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU ACTUALLY PLAY.
Most common games, competitive shooters and e-sports, don't give a crap about RT, SS/SR and frame generation/fake frames.
Thus, if you want FpS to frag opponents, you go AMD.
On top of that, games in which you can add all the above mentioned features are usually SLOW PACED adventures and/or RPGs, thus you can comfortably enable them on an AMD card and enjoy those games. Additionally, a normal person doesn't magnify 100x and slow down 500x to spot marginal differences in image quality.
Go AMD, save money, and invest them to buy some other better components.
Finally, I still haven't seen Nvidia MCM cards. And don't forget Nvidia secured a better production node at TSMC (that YOU pay).
Finally, The comparison I've been waiting for
Waited for years for a worthwhile improvement from Nvidia(gtx 1080) lo and behold found it in Team Reds XTX 7900. Works amazing on my 4k TV + 240hz monitor! From what I have read over the years AMD polishes their cards through driver updates so looking forward to see that monster hardware optimized even further!
This right here, makes me feel like I made one of the most intelligent decisions in my life to buy the 7900xtx last year. The sapphire nitro+ card is one beefy boy but no regrets!!
nitro+ is awesome
@@AncientGameplays I’m so grateful to have been able to pick it up! It’s truly been a blast so far with all the games I’ve been playing.
Its nice to see more nvidia videos from you hopefully at some point intel also become normal benchmarking and comperison cards for you
I choosed Nvidia for DLSS 3.6 Path-tracing and all bells and wistles, but mostly for power efficiency. Thank's a lot.
Thank you as well
Meanwhile i bought RX6600 because it only use 100 watt and faster than 3050
@@arx117hes not talking about low budget segment obviously lol so why are you even saying about your rx 6600
@@arx117 rx6600 or its variants ..is the only low mid tier card that anyone sane would purchase...it handles the job
@@PopePlatinumBeatsthe entire 6000 series from the 6600 up were and still are great cards
I picked my XFX 7900 XTX last March and have been enjoying true native 4k@60-120fps maxed out gaming on my OLED. It's delicious 😋 Can't recommend this GPU enough.. yes even "for Ray Tracing" lol
I’m in a unique situation where I need 2x HDMI 2.1 and AMD (Sapphire) offers that at a much lower price. On the NVIDIA side only ASUS have 2x HDMI 2.1 and not on every model. DP to HDMI converters have some limitations and don’t work that well.
Why you need 2 hdmi?
Dp much better
@@GodyArtDesign double 4K120 gaming TV setup. No DP port.
Team Red baby! Let’s go 7900XTX.
i got 7900xtx and 👍,thanks for video info,
I was between a 4070 Super and 7900 XTX as it’s only $100 more than the 4070 Super for me… I got the 4070 Super first as I wanted to give it a shot for RT performance. I am honestly very surprised. I am running Battlefield V with RT at 150 FPS and high 1% lows at High settings. If I add DLSS I am over 200 so I run DLAA to sharpen instead at a cost of 30 FPS. It looks lovely. In campaigns I run Frame Gen to get back to 200 FPS with 15ms latency but I get 6ms latency without it in multiplayer… WITH RAY TRACING! And then the big surprise was Cyberpunk 2022. I thought maybe I could run medium with RT on high but definitely not path tracing… I was wrong. I can run path traced RT at high with DLSS and Frame Gen at 90 FPS with 99% lows above 60. It’s actually ridiculously playable. I know so,e people don’t care about RT, I just don’t know why. I think people who feel that way haven’t had enough seat time with an RT experience. Path tracing particularly makes a game like 2077 make sense. It’s so busy graphically that having good lighting and reflections helps the realism immensely.
Yes, the 4070 Super is decent in RT as it is close to the 4070Ti as you can run PT IF you run frame gen. As for BF V, ray tracing is super light there
Here in Mexico the 7900xtx is insanely cheaper compared to Nvidia chips like the 4070 ti super its the same price for the best amd card, idc about ray tracing tbh and using upscaler methods for comparing a gpu is kinda dumb for me since Native res is king at higher resolutions either upscaler just blurs my games xD thanks for this comparison
Nah, upscaling is far from blurring games and it is actually getting VERY good, but for much cheaper? The XTX is a no brainer
@@AncientGameplays yea I understand at 1440p I rather play normal native taa or no antialiasing but it’s true that upscaling doesn’t look as bad as it used to be
bro, show me those websites, because cyberpuerta, ddtech, and pcel, both are nearly within margin of error, while the 4070ti super is usually 3000-5000 pesos less than both
@@ishiddddd4783 depends also the availability ive seen the price difference of them cards being almost 2k pesos which is insane and the 4080 reaching crazy numbers at high prices like 22 or 24k pesos
Thanks for the extensive comparison Fabio.
Thank you as well Leon
Here in germany the price difference ist just 100 bucks, makes no sense to buy the 7900 xtx atm.
Please go back to providing Ultrawide comparisons as well as you have in the past. 3440 still feels like perfect middle ground for wanting things to looking cinematic and immersive while not breaking performance.
The comparions are exactly the same they've been in the last year (resolution wise). You mea gampelay benchmarks?
Just multiply any 1440p result by 0.87 and you'll have your ultrawide benchmark.
You need to get away from Newegg pricing. It's a $100 price difference, not $250. The 4080 Super is $999 at several outlets, just not scammy Newegg.
Newegg are kings of scalping GPUs as long as they can. It's pretty sad when even Best Buy has Asus cards in stock for $999 and Newegg is still scalping. This is _exactly_ why I stopped using Newegg for anything years ago.
Is it worth it at a $100 difference? I guess that depends on if you care about RT, power consumption, and Nvidia's superior upscaling. Either way both are great cards but still overpriced IMHO.
Where should I look at then?
Also, in europe the difference isn't that small as well
@@AncientGameplays PCPartpicker. UA-cam keeps removing links for some reason. Just be glad you aren't in Australia or NZ. Their prices are always all over the place and MSRPs are meaningless. 🤨
Went with the Rtx 4080 super the rx 7900xtx was the exact same price for me. After being on a rog g15 advantage edition laptop 5900x and rx6800m love the new card and even better performance for me since I actually use raytracing in some games😅 and works great with my ultrawide as well. Both of these cards are great but the added data like overclocking is very informative as someone who plans on overclocking it’s shows how much performance is left on the table for either cards great video.
este candal es el mejor
So glad you covered “call of duty warzone “ 🔥🔥🔥great work as usual 👍
Listen, I only play 2k native with no gimmicks, and for me 7900XTX is the choice to go with. I love my 7900xtx xfx, even though it goes all the way up to 463w. And this is from someone has been with Nvidia since the GTX 8800. This video was fucking great, informative and interesting.
And what do you kiddo think 2K is?
Just undervolt+OC it bro. 280W draw on full load while outperforming the 4080 in gaming+ temps. Takes 5 mins
@@Greenalex89how do you undervolt bro
I just bought MSI RTX 4080 Super Slim. That card is insanely quiet, no coil whine and max temp is 68C. I run some test and in CB2077 ver2.12 built in benchmark 1440p High it scored 148fps avg, 133fps min with 5800x3D and rebar enabled. Havent touched OC/UV yet.
I liked my 7900xtx raw power, but I found myself wanting more than just raw power as I toggled on RT in more and more games that made a huge difference in visuals which is why I decided to sidestep hope to the 4080 Super. Thankfully I got it for the MSRP $1000 1-day launch. Also, I didn't quite like the high-power draw of the XTX. and with me losing the silicon lottery that didn't help as I then couldn't tame that power draw much in the ways on undervolting without limiting the power limit and losing to much in terms of performance lol. At lease now with the 4080 super my room is a lot more comfortable to game in for a few hours longer temp wise. 😋
What I did with my 4080S is look at the clock speeds it boosts to in Afterburner then try to use the power curve to bring it down as much as possible while staying at the same boost clocks and stability. Then I tweaked up the memory bandwidth to where it was also stable. It keeps a power limit on boost clocks but increases performance.
I'd love an XTX myself but I just can't warrant spending $600+ on a new GPU that doesn't do competent raytracing. It's not 2018 anymore. RT actually matters now. It's not important enough to me that I'd replace a decent GPU for _just_ RT, but when I replace my 3080ti if AMD doesn't step up on it's RT performance I'll be going Nvidia again.
I just wish AMD would take it's GPU division as seriously as it does CPUs.
A solution to this if you're an over the top enthusiast is to custom loop the entire system!
I live in an apartment complex that has smart meters for electricity usage. The power collective adds a surcharge if your Kw/hrs. exceed a certain amount. The readings are monitored in real time, so I have to game between the hours of 0230 and 0246. I utilize a Nvidia GPU that draws 18.6 Gigawatts so Marty and Doc can cross the time/space continuum safely.
If 4080 super had 20 GB of VRAM then it wouldn't have any competition, but taking things as they are right now, 7900 xtx it's the better option for non-RT games, while the 4080 super it's where it shines best.
Anything more than 16gb is overkill for gaming. 16gb will still be enough for the next 3/4 years.
if it had that it would need to have 320 bit bus, which was not happening
I'm playing SW Jedi Survivor right now @ 4K with my 7900 xtx and it eats like 17-18 GBs of VRAM so 16 GBs it's not enough for 4K gaming.
@@bog2501 You are seeing allocation; not usage (some overlays need to label things better). This has caused a lot of people to have a false belief that they need this much VRAM for gaming.
Fabio is correct, it's very likely by the time you need more than 16GB of vram we will all be using different GPU's
@@bog2501 Like the guy above said, that's VRAM allocation you're looking at which isn't how much VRAM is actually being used.
Nice video Fabio! Are you maybe also interested into making a NVIDIA overclocking/UV guide? I liked your AMD guide(s)
I already did some of those, like to for the RTX 3060/3070/4070/4070Ti, so I will do for these as well :D
@@AncientGameplays thanks!
Best comparison ever!
Thanks!
I sold my RX 6950 XT for RTX 4080 Super, it arrives tomorrow and I can't wait!
Great! Big upgrade
the lack of DLSS makes any RX card DOA. Sorry not sorry that FSR is junk
people saying FSR is junk is people that never used FSR apart from 3 titles and at low res. FSR is inferior, but far from junk (taking off very poor implementations of course). Also, we'll have very soon the first game with FSR 3.1
Good Video. My feelings after trying both of these cards is the software / upscaler / RT is where the meaningful differences are. Put differently, the XTX gives you 80 more frames in one of it's biggest wins; but that's in a situation where the 4080 is already at 200FPS; you're not going to be able to tell the difference between 200 and 300 FPS without a frame counter in the corner.
However the difference between DLSS vs FSR, AMD Noise suppression vs Nvidia Broadcast and RT performance between the two cards is immediately noticeable and to the point where on the XTX the experience is heavily compromised in comparison; you can't find a situation in which the opposite is true. DLSS being the most relevant of those 3 by far with upscaling being included in nearly everything that comes out now.
I know this comes across as a nvidia fanboy; but I tried AMD's flagship first and **really** wanted to keep the XTX nitro+, I went through all sorts of mental justifications to try keeping it (so pretty). I just don't think **At this tier of GPU** saving 200 is worth the compromises given most people are keeping these cards for 3ish years.
I can definitely notice an 80fps difference. 30 to 60 to 90 to 120 to 160-180 to 240 to 320 are stages I can identify. Though this is because I work on screens with all of these. It's not impossible. It's just what you're used to. 10 years ago it was normal for the average person to say that you can't notice 60. A big chunk of gamers say 60+ is unnoticeable. But I would argue that these stages are very noticeable. The difference in responsiveness and animation fluidity is massive.
@@KonglomeratYT I have not said anything about 60+ or 30-60 fps. I made a very specific claim that after a certain FPS there's not much difference unless you're talking like 240hz vs 540hz, in the super niche scenario's that you can actually maintain that kind of FPS, and be good enough to gain an advantage.
You can't expect anyone to buy the idea that you can feel the difference between 160 and 180FPS...do you? You're talking about 0.75ms. 240 and 320 - 1.14ms. No you cannot, just stop my guy.
You're feeling yourself way too much here.
@@mattparsons8598You can in fact notice the difference between 200 and 300 FPS lol what are you on about
@@anitaremenarova6662 You're talking about a frametime difference of 1.6MS
I don't believe you.
im in pretty much a similar boat, got the 7900XT and in general performance it's pretty good and with good overclocking it gets to 4080/xtx with stock clocks in rasterization, but you do notice the difference in toolset, ended up swapping it for a 4070ti super, since it no longer had the 12gb vram problem as the 4070ti and is generally faster than it, price here is the same for both, 70ti super and XT, besides the jump to stuff like the xtx and 4080super isn't big enough to justify 200-400usd more for 10-15% extra performance that i can get back overclocking.
That and RDNA3 gave me a lot of headaches compared to polaris or rdna2 combined, i love amd and that they are trying to compete and are doing a decent job at it, but it shows in toolset and stability for a lot of tasks, especially ones that don't have support or are simply not up to par, to date the problem of having recording enabled and it crashing your system still hasn't been fully fixed on RDNA3.
People need to adopt the mindset of buying products, not brands, no loyalty, not bootlicking, these are still just pc components, amd or nvidia, bootlicking amd is still as bad as nvidia, buy the component that does the job and you are happy with.
Hey, did you have to buy those gpus, or you got them for free by the companies? If I recall correctly, a while ago you had the issue with companies not sending any sample gpus to you, it's nice if it has changed
I bought the 7900XTX when it came out, with the 4080 Super being sent by NVIDIA as said in the video's intro :D
After that post it seems things are running better gladly!
in your previous videos, you actually helped me to go for the 4080 super which i finally got yesterday. i think its just the more modern card compared to the 7900 xtx.
My man, i like the way you bench! 💪
Thanks!
I've had my trusty XFX RX 580 8GB for almost 5 years now. It still works like new but I've decided to get the 7900 XTX since my old dear can't deal with 1440p ultrawide.
Or hasn't arrived yet but I'm excited.
Great! Just make sure your PSU and CPu can handle it
@@AncientGameplays My Ryzen 3600 and 650w PSU can't, but I plan on selling my entire current PC and buying a new one.
For the OC on the 7900 XTX what is your usual Voltage (MV) setting? Sorry if I've missed it, checked a few times!
@AncientGameplays
Use my 7900XTX OC video
I really thought the 4080 super would beat the 7900xtx in every game but it only happened in ray tracing games, very Interesting!!!
Thanks for always watching adam
@@AncientGameplays thanks for replying I know that itself has too be hard to do with all the work you're doing!!!
I spent the extra on the 4080 Super because I wanted better looking DLSS and raytracing as well as lower power consumption overall. I was not looking for 'value' so much in this regard. I also understand that FSR will be getting visual improvements in 3.1 and as it is open to anyone to use it means I can still use it on my 4080 Super in certain scenarios. It's a win win all round even if AMD wins in some games that favour their hardware.
FSR improving helps _everyone_ since Nvidia can use it too. Great for gamers, but terrible as a selling point. 😆
Started with 3060 and upgraded to a 4080S from a 6800xt due to amd issues I was experiencing during gaming. No complaints with the 4080 so far
Great to hear, but odd. Never had any breaking issues with my AMD cards
Rx 7900 xtx for more vram
4080 super for better ray tracing
You’re the best in the game bro. I hope your opportunities continue to increase
EU be like. "Why choose ??"
It depends where someone lives I guess, here in CA they are the same price so it becomes a clear choice to choose the 4080 S, I don't think anyone can argue that NVIDIA is better overall.
I went with a 4080 super, ray tracing is the future, and FSR is way behind DLSS now. I do wish it had more than 16GB of VRAM, but 16GB of VRAM is not at risk of being obsolete even at 4K. Path tracing max Cyberpunk 2077 look so much better, and the reflections are super mind blowing. The 4080 super in the USA only costs a little more, and gives you so much more. If AMD wants to compete this gen they need to drop prices a lot more. The 7900 XTX's power consumption is also pretty concerning, on my rig with a i7-14700f (non K), I only consume a little more than 500watts with my monitor, speakers and computer running cyberpunk 2077. Ada Lovelace is super power efficient
@@katieadams5860 yes, but amd does ray tracing fairly well, what he doesn't do well is RTX
@@AncientGameplays yeah rdna 3's ray tracing performance is definitely better than last gen. At least for path tracing you need frame gen and good upscaling. Unless AMD can do a better job getting devs to use FSR 3 frame gen, then AMD won't be able to do well with path tracing or heavy ray tracing games. For games with light amounts of ray tracing RDNA 3 is fine. But unless the price of the card gets around 700-800$, I don't think AMD is worth it for high end cards, only low end cards this gen they're worth it
concerned about power usage when ur already going for a high end build, that is some clown shit
A lot of people dont realize raytracing/frame gen uses more vram especially in the higher presets.
I bet you Jensen will slip In a 4080ti super before the new launch comes out.
Finally, Fabio
Yeahhhhhhhh hehe
AMD needs to dial down some watts, I mean when it comes to the RX6000 Series vs RTX3000 series, the 6000 series were sucking less watts and performing the same performance as their counter part, but in this case Nvidia use Uno reverse card here and AMD draws more power on Rx 7000 series against RTX4000 Series 😅
6000 vs 3000 series were using same watts for the same performance ... they were both on the same node
7000 vs 4000 series is a small difference in watts, because AMD is on a 6nm for the packaging and 5nm for the core, so it does an extra 50W (in lower categories) to 100W in higher categories. It's still not double the wattage ... doesn't really matter.
You wanna see real power consumption? Look at Arc A770 vs RTX4060. Same performance ~ but 2x Wattage
Here in Brazil, the 7900XTX is getting quite a bit cheaper than the 4080 super, but it's still too expensive in my opinion.
I'm one of those people who has incredibly unpopular opinions when it comes to graphics cards, and my list of priorites in a GPU are basically reversed from most people here, so when I'm purcashing a GPU, my needs are like this (Upscaling > Ray Tracing > Frame Generation > Rasterization performance).
In that scenario, I'm kinda stuck with a 7900XTX that won't really do what I want at all, and will be a waste of money, or an underperforming 4070ti Super vs a 4080 super. It's a lose-lose situation, I guess.
sai de uma rtx 3070 para XFX Merc 310 7900xtx, 0 arrependimentos (comprei nos EUA por 5.2k com impostos) A bixa não passa de 60°c e 70°c no hotspot. Nunca usei ray tracing, mas não acho que compensa a perca de perfomance, mesmo nas 4000...
That's a really odd scenario considering your budget isn't that high (or so you say), but hey, you do you haha
i bought a 4080 last year for the sole reason i wanted to use it for AI, which i use a lot, and AMD was terrible at it at the time.
quite honestly, i don't think raytracing is worth it. only game i played with it all the way up was alan wake 2, and i found that game so boring and disappointing that i dropped it 5 hours in and went to play its much superior prequel once again instead. plus the game still looks just as good without it. yeah side by side you'll notice a big difference, but when playing you even forget if you have it on or off
@@AncientGameplays It really is, but it's what I want. I can save a little and get a better GPU, but the 7900XTX just won't cut it for Path Traced Cyberpunk and Path Traced Alan Wake 2. So I'm either saving for a 4070Ti Super or a 4080 Super. Those are my only options.
I'm playing at 3440x1440
@@Eduard0Nordestino É que eu curto e entendo muito da tecnologia, e como eu gosto disso, eu acabo priorizando isso acima de gráficos com rasterização.
Eu consigo perceber as diferenças de um jogo com e sem RT, até mesmo em implementações simples, como sombras. Quando entra em iluminação global (RTGI), Oclusão de Ambiente (RTAO), tudo isso contribui para uma imagem muito melhor. Eu gosto muito da tecnologia, então é minha prioridade no momento.
W vid. And included cyberpunk ray traced comparison. Was hoping for path tracing and Alan wake 2 path tracing but that’s ok. Thx for including all that and 1440 res 🙏
In AW2 high RT it gets demolished even harder than in Cyberpunk.
Actually not really. Alan Wake 2 PT actually runs decently well compared to CP2077 PT
@@AncientGameplays that’s cool. I’ll try and find a comparison. Currently I have a 7800 xt. Do you think I should wait until 5000 series later this year or just go for 4080 super later in the summer?
@@anitaremenarova6662 only in the forest tho
I brought an Asus tuf Rx 7900 xtx oc and love it, friends keep harping on about 4090s but 10% more performance for 50% more cost is just crazy to me 😂😂
Hey Fabio. First off, thank you. You always respond and show love to your community. Just a quick question. What overlay do you use to record you GPU stats?
Thanks, its MSI afterburner
is a 4080 super the better deal if there the same price?
same price? Yes, as seen overall on the video
Great video, summarized what tens of other benchmarks couldn't. Now I'm going for the 4080 Super. Wish me Luck! Also what is Rasterization?
Raster = not RT
I run 2 gaming computers... one in my gaming room and one in my office down stairs... I run both NVIDIA and AMD..once in each...and to be honest... i dont see any difference in game play or graphics..... if u need to RUN BENCHMARKS to see small percentage differences... stop being a fan boi and save the extra money with the Radeon.
I’m rocking the 7900xtx and don’t even wanna look back at Nvidia anymore. For the time being as someone who isn’t a big ray tracing fan the xtx is delivering amazing results in both triple a single player games and competitive online games. I play Halo, Valorant, MK1 and League of legends as my main competitive titles and some of my favorite single player games are the souls, Rdr2, Doom eternal, Forbidden West etc… I couldn’t be happier with the performance of this card highly recommend in Europe the xtx the price gap is huge! The 4080super comes about 240€ more expensive than the xtx which is a whole motherboard or an ssd lol😅
7900xtx because 24gb :)
7900XTX is still king lmfaooooooo 🤣 AIB AMD OC/UV is always going to shit on Nvidia.
Nice Work
Its an amazing card as long as the games arent unsupported by the drivers such as Apex Legends (DX12) or any of the kingdom hearts games.
I own a 7900xtx. Good for raster, absolute trash for techs. Gonna upgrade with an nvidia next gen.
calling it trash is just bullshit sorry. Even FSR is not THAT BAD as people paint it (besides some really poor implementations or really low render resolutions).
You do you, but saying "techs" and then "trash" is just nonsense
coming from a 3060ti Vram was a bust for me fps was not great for 4k 7900xtx I upgraded to has been amazing. Having crashing issues with vram is a thing in the past now that I have upgraded. Guess it's diff for all of us. 4k Oled C2 LG. Also the 7900xtx I just run native most of the time @ 4k
Just got the 7900 xtx for £849, think that was a good deal. Thanks for the video helped with my decision
great deal IMO
I was so “4080 super and nothing can change my mind” then “why should I waste £250” and I think I’ve made the right choice. Been on team green since forever… time to spice things up
It's such a shame that the distributors here in Japan tend to put higher markups on Radeon products. The cheapest 7900XTX currently goes for like only $100 cheaper than the 4080 Super. Hard to pick Radeon cards when the sellers have been sabotaging like this
Weird because in my country, Nvidia is pricier. Most budget user will go straight to AMD but rich game will go buy nvidia
for $100 less it is a hard pick unless it is a good model like the Sapphire nitro
Until ray tracing has such an impact on performance that it will be necessary to use crutches in the form of DLSS and FSR, I don’t need it. I'd rather choose similar raw performance with more video memory (I had a RXT 3070 and I know what I'm talking about) and better components at a lower cost than RTX On. But thanks for the video :)
Thoughts and prayers to all poorly scammed 3070 owners..This GPU is a hit below the belt.
It's awesome to see you gettiing some apprieciation from AMD and Nvidia. I hope Intel follows suit when they release their upcoming cards.
Thank you as well!
I am at the stage of "looking" for a new GPU. I currently own an RX 6800 XT, I was thinking about an RTX 4070 TI Super 16gb but I think the 4080 Super would be a better choice. Radeon unfortunately discourages me, it takes too much power even after UV it is not a good investment. Electricity is getting more expensive it is already a luxury to have a GPU that takes 100-150W more ! (7900XTX vs 4080S). I'm going back to Nvidia, after so many years. Cheers !
Where do you live?
The XTX loves to consume that power if you let it but you do get a nice 10 to 15% bump from an overclock.
true
Sure you will be looking again at the GRE now memory tuning has been unlocked. With the recent driver update.
Of course, I stated than in the video
Pulse please
it was unlocked for every GRE@@wombatchelsea23