The Gross Secret Origin of Spider-Man | Trouble
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I laughed so hard when Sal winked. "They don't know yet."
saved by the bell
When does he wink?
@@HOTD108_ The moment is 30:33.
And 55:13 is the name reveal.
It felt like old Back Issues when Ben and Ethan didn't know anything about comics.
This story started on ABC Family, moved to The CW, and then switched lanes to Lifetime...
I don't know why this makes sense but it does.
That says a lot about Millar’s thought process for this imo.
Kudos to Sal for being able to bury the lede for the entirety of this episode. Seeing Ben & Ethan get so close to figuring it out and whiffing it was hilarious.
Me: walks in, removes hat
Sal: "MARVILLE was..."
Me: puts on hat, walks out
It's literally that Squidward meme
@@NilFox I think the joke also refers to the Simpsons one where Bart worked the burlesque house and Grandpa comes in whistling and takes off his hat and is about to enter the lounge area, only to see Bart at the front and immediately takes a U-turn to the door he just came from.
Is your name Bart?
@@thomasfredrickson6298 you GOT IT!
@@stevenguitink5947 LMFAO
What Peter failed to understand is the iconic with great power comes great responsibility speech Uncle Ben gave was actually a sex talk and he was referring to the importance of condoms. 😂
This would be a retcon! Ben was talking about some random shit
He was bleeding out. A lack of topical focus does track with that.
@@morganrobinson8042 Peter wasn't there when Ben died
@@TupocalypseShakurand why he think of that moment?
Uncle Ben wasn't even the one who sayed that quote.
You can almost see the shovel that Sal buried the lead with!
I'm watching their faces for any hints they're picking up on it
I thought Ethan & Ben would've caught it after the hookups were mentioned- *May & Ben* *Richard & Mary* it's so obvious, you may as well shine a flashlight.
The moment Sal whips out that cover, those faces are the best thing ever
6:55 wow
True. But watching Ben slowly put everything together was a close second to me.
“WHAT THE *FUCK* IS *THAT* “
*" IT'S CALLED TROUBLE, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT, AND IT'S BAD!"* 😂😂😂
"One time I got kidnapped in the Dominican Republic" I'm sorry WHAT
you know, as one does
This is why you don't leave the resort
I'm from the DR and I was kind of shocked that's one of the craziest things I've heard
eh it happens. He looks fine. Probably set him back 100 bucks or a couple thousand pesos. Or nothing maybe they were cool kidnappers.
This thread is gold, man... 🤣
Marvel: it's not peodophilia, the photographers french
thats netflix now with cutie
@@aaronbood1999 no no its ok cause the movie tries to criticize child sexualization
I think that's the kind of excuse some animation companies used to get anime over to the U.S. in the old days.
Netflix: hold my dignity
*cuties*
Everyone: what dignity?
What part of the video is that a reference to?
30:34 Ah man, that wink was great.
literally some mid 90s sitcom "wink"
When you know Sal knows and then there is that wink. Hahaha great detail.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, when the book is garbage or Sal hates it, its gonna be a LEGENDARILY hilarious episode.
I'm kinda new to the channel, would you help a brother out and direct me to some other examples of said legendary episodes?
@@HOTD108_ One More Day, Clone Saga, All Star Batman and Robin, Daredevil Shadowland, Ghost Rider, Spiderman Reign, Superman Grounded, Daredevil Fall from Grace, Ultimatum, Identity Crisis, theres a few more i cant remember.
Thats not to say that good books dont have hilarious moments.
Secret Wars 1984, Spiderman Blue, Death and Return, any daredevil episode besides the ones i mentioned. Every Ultimate Spiderman episode is peak back issues. Theres like 300 of them and I've rewatched them all numerous times.
Welcome to ComicPop where bad comics burn....
Sal's gonna teach you all a lesson you ll learn......
For me it was torture. I already knew how it was going to end and it's... very disturbing to think that someone thought this was a good idea.
Wish there were more of them.
I had a moment like 15 minutes in, when Ben and May and Richard and Mary clicked. Dear god.
lmao
Don't tell Peter. His guilt complex will never stop spiralling
"AUNT MAY IN A CHARITY WARD!?!?!?"
Why does he have a guilt complex? I thought he stopped feeling sorry for himself after Issue 200
@@learn2draw716 Because folk keep writing him like that for some reason.
@@arw1985 you misspelled Quesda
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 You misspelled Quesada.
Bill Jemas:
"We need to appeal to teenage girls more! CALL MARK MILLAR!"
I know right! Should have got Alan or Frank
Some Intern Who's About to Get Fired:
Sir shouldn't we hire a woman to write a book meant to appeal to young women?
Bill Jemas then throws him out of a window.
@@jwm1444 Or threw a comic book at him.
Heard there are two brothers named Richard and Ben and immediately thought "This won't end well."
My reaction when I saw the notification for this was “Oooooh noooooo”
Make it happen in the MCU you cowards! 😂😂😂
In all seriousness, seeing the title gave me flashbacks to Linkaras videos on this story.
20:26 Ben used the right formula, but got the wrong answer...
"Hey, wait a minute..." That's THAT face.
I love how the mute out the other two while we get to focus on ben’s face.
I'm just like "oh he almost got it"
7:56 "No! It"s for research!" great save Sal...
Oh, "research" huh?
The Pete Townshend defense
Welcome to how to catch a comic predator
I'm surprised they didn't clock the "Ben"-"May" "Richard"-"Mary" connection.
I think its because they are pretty normal names and Peter's parents names haven't been brought up often
They also mention that they don’t talk about Richard and Mary Parker often
Bailey Tollison but like...Ben and may...in a marvel book
Creed I mean they did make that connection early on but I think to make the leap in logic like “oh it’s the parkers, oh it’s aunt may, oh no this is a secret origin for the conception of Peter Parker.” Is a lot to ask
I forgot the title by the end and just didnt expect it when the shoe dropped
Man, watching Ben and Ethan get SO CLOSE to realizing who these characters are the ENTIRE episode made my night. You guys are fantastic.
They did it. They finally did it.
I’m so sorry.
Should be noted that “Trouble” was a euphemism for teenage pregnancies back then, so despite everything else, they didn’t bury the lede.
I didn't know that. Ironically, Millar said that he hoped the story would be helpful to girls going through a situation like that.
@@idongesitusen5764 freely admit I have never understood women but somehow I doubt they get into drunken orgies 18
"3 months later I'm a gal in trouble..."
Another thing to note: May's life has serious parallells to MJ's. Viewed as promiscuous, abusive dad, shirks responsibilities for a long time until growing into being responsible... I've spent a decade and a half avoiding this book because the more I learn, the creepier it sounds with its implications for Peter and aunt May.
Not to mention his mom being drawn to deliberately invoke Gwen Stacy....
Mary Jane had a tough home life, so does this May Reily. May is made to look like MJ. Pete's easily manicured when either is put in peril- coincidence I THINK NOT
@chandllerburse737 Damn it, Freud!
@chandllerburse737well that’s generally understood to be not true whatsoever, the one who made is Sigmind Freud was basically just like “Hey I’m not weird! Everyone wants to bang their parents!”
At least MJ was fun and had a good character.
I'd heard it be suggested that Trouble takes place in the Ultimate Universe. Not confirmed but Bucky Barnes survives WWII and becomes an old man in both continuities.
With how horrible the Ultimate universe can be, I can 100% see this being the case.
Mark Millar also wrote the Ultimates, and Aunt May grew up in the 60's in the Ultimate Universe. Though Peter's father looks a great deal younger than uncle Ben and aunt may in that universe
@@TheWazzoGames yeah but he also does younger....
I actually wouldn't mind that as much, they do imply ben and may were like chill hippies for awhile
It can't be. If Peter was born in the 60s he would be in his 40s when Ultimate Spider-Man takes place.
I'm watching this directly after the Marville episode
You know I really think it really says a lot about Sal that not only did he read this comic, but spent money on it, and then went onto the internet where he admitted to such a thing for 87K fans, and then talk about this for over an hour. His is truly a sacrifice we could never understand. May God have mercy on his soul.
His deal with Mephisto is finally complete
The clerk : wtf is wrong with you
Sal: it's for research
The clerk: research...okay" dials 911
The clerk: yeah police we got another "researcher"
By "police" you mean the Dominican Republic...
Little did. Sal know that those Trouble issues are actually sting operation traps
Someone needs to ask Mark Millar, if May gave birth to Peter at 17 why the heck is she 80 when he’s 15?? Is she really in her 40’s? Is she a closet alcoholic and looks 40 YEARS older?
that could be the MCU Spidey head-cannon ;-)
Comic books 🤷♂️ lol
Mark Millar: "Oh, this is an amazing idea! Aunt May was so depressed about her failed marriage with Ben - and she became an alcoholic! I have to write a story..."
Mark Millar: *furiously writing*"This is gonna be my best work since Nemesis!"
@@Xtra_Medium Aunt May: Demon in a bottle
Me having forgotten the title: “Hmmm, these characters have the same name as Spider-Man’s parents, aunt and uncle.”
Me realizing Spider-Man is the product of a weird love square: “......what!?”
I’m not a huge Spider-Man fan, but when they were talking about their names and Ben and Ethan were like “oh so Richard and Mary aren’t anyone” I was like “oh... I thought that was Peter’s parents’ names...” and then Sal’s WINK LMAO THANKS SAL
Sal, no! There's faster and less painful ways to break friendships!
Alternate costume 6th Doctor is best Doctor
@@HOTD108_ Fair point, though worth noting Sixie never had an adorable decapitated cyberman head as his companion
Aunt May: I never did tell you what happened to your mother.
Peter Parker: What else is there to say? She died in a plane crash with dad.
Aunt May: No... I am your mother.
Peter Parker: No... No... That's not true. That's impossible!
I feel like this story was made up as May when Peter threatened to move out
Search this trade paperback you know it to be true
Search your feelings Peter, I made you wheatcakes.
"- But who is my father? - Well, I think it's Richard... Or maybe one of those twelve pocker-guys ..."
Peter: No, it's quite _literally_ impossible. You said all this stuff happened when you were, what, 18? But you're, like, 40 years older than me.
This is exactly the thing I needed to improve my morning. Time to laugh at a terrible story
Lol indeed
Love waking up in quarantine to new episodes!
Hell yeah, Griev
"Let Linkara do that for you." I laughed louder then I should have at that.
Edit also Ethan's face at 55:21 lmao
I'm only surprised they held back from somehow including a Black Cat stand-in.
Though I guess this now proves Felicia is the best choice because it's the only choice where Peter doesn't secretly wanna bang his mom
Well, May does currently have white hair.
I lost it at the second camera wink.
When does that happen?
@@HOTD108_ 30:30 -ish
“Yeah but May was already old!!!”
“What?”
Isn't it weird that May gave up Peter because she didn't want to raise a kid and ends up rasiing the kid she gave away
"It's like poetry it rhymes."
- Star Wars Guy
"You've always been a trouble for me, Peter ..."
Well sal loves Spider-Man. I’m sure sal will have a glowing endorsement of this story. It’s the secret origin of Peter Paker after all, most Spider-Man recons are great! Nothing to worry about here, I’m sure I’m in for a great time.
Uh based on the covers of the book by the French photographer ....uh no I’m sure this will be fine.
7:00 is still one of my favorite reactions from Ben and Ethan. You get Ethan’s stunned, shocked silence, and Ben’s “What the FUCK is THAT?”
Sal got kidnapped in the Dominican Republic? Please share more
When does he say that?
36:19
I almost think its a reference
^ If you remember or find it, please share. Jejeje
It was by Marvels in house French photographer
I think Linkara put it best saying that the Bucky Barnes cameo in the last issue was Marvel basically saying "WE'RE SORRY! IT'S NOT CANON!". Like they originally were going to make it canon to 616, but then in the last couple of issues realised what a mistake they were making, so quickly popped in this undeniable contradiction just so they could say it wasn't.
May and Ben’s love story could’ve been a very sweet idea for a comic if the people who did it weren’t so clueless about the genre they tried to tackle
They are Marvel’s Kents after all
May did tell peter how she and Ben got together in the proper universe.
angel7661 i meant a cute little miniseries, literally what this was supposed to be but good
The whole time I was just screaming "RICHARD AND MARY PARKER! BEN AND MAY PARKER!"
"Let Linkara do that for you" 😲😂
I can see the purpose of this story, if written well, aunt May being Peter's mother and always maintaining that distance whilst knowing that Peter is Spiderman could lead to a great story about secrets, but realistically it adds nothing to Spiderman because regardless of who his biological mother is aunt May and Ben are ultimately his parents.
I’m surprised that Ben and Ethan didn’t immediately recognize the names 😂
Don't forget that Ben and Ethan don't read books outside of GBU!
i mean they did recognize the names just didnt make the leap to its those may and ben
*(LOUD SCREAM OF ANGUISH)*
Add this to the list of cursed Spider-Man Stories!:
One More Day
Sins Past
The Clone Saga
And Now Trouble
🥶YAAAAY......
Mikhail G, yeah, God Help Us!
I feel like the Clone Saga isn't as bad compared to the rest of that list
@@fostertalks2327 The Clone Saga can be separated because it *at least* had good stuff spawn from it, and had good ideas involved. The other three were purely bad ideas from the start, nothing could save them and nothing good spawned from them.
@@toqkaizogou1636 The Clone Saga is on there for being bad, and inescapable.
The rest are there for being harmful to both the readers and characters, to one extent or another. Of those One More Day is likewise unavoidable, but more saddening.
The last two should just never have been allowed to exist.
"No..... it is for research."
I saw the title and started laughing. This is gonna be good
“Let Linkara do that for you” 🤣
Wise words mister :-)
You know is gonna be good when Sal looks utterly defeated, Ben looks like a bird flew off with his hot dog and Ethan is staring at the camera like he just heard an awful joke.
This story is nothing but “TROUBLE”
*rimshot*
I give up I just wanted to nake a reference joke to the film nothing but trouble but they all sucked! So im writing this instead plus whom other than I even remwmbers tbat atrocity of a film
The reactions of the two homies on either side to the cover was amazing
This comic book sounds alot like a cross between Dirty Dancing and the American Pie movies. In other words old recycled teen movies in a comic book format. Nothing like those old Romance comics.
Somewhere out there Linkara is laughing at the guy's pain
The cover of the Trouble comic looks like it was trying to replicate those Olsen Twins girl books and movies that were very popular at the time but instead came off as creepy.
The look on Ben’s face when he heard Ben and May I thought oh man he figured it out to early! But the best was saved for last when both he and Ethan heard the truth, priceless!!
Remember that JMS' story where Peter met an old friend of his dad and learned that he was a real stand up guy, with strong morals?
Mark Millar clearly didn't.
Does Mark Miller actually read comics? Because I know he doesn't really read his own
this was released in 2003 this actually would be during the JMS run, and depending on when that specific issue was released, trouble may have been written before that issue they mentioned Richard or JMS Wrote that issue IN RESPONSE to trouble
I mean, he also forgot that aunt May is supposed to be a super old woman yet according to this, since she gave birth to Peter in her late teens, she should be in her early 40s.
Obviously, he didn't quite think this through.
Bucky Barnes' appearance, I think was the last minute decision. Because Bucky did survive WW2 and aged...in Ultimate Universe. I really think Millar just chickened out in the end.
So this is the unofficial retcon of Ultimate Spider-Man. That's just horrible.
I looked at my phone, saw this week's Back Issues thumbnail, and out loud in the middle of my workplace said, "Ooooh, nooooooooo..."
55:16 the way their faces just drop right here is so fucking hilarious
It sucks that Terry Dodson’s beautiful art that could work for this 60s pin up type romance book is wasted for this gross, vomit inducing story.
Yooo that Linkara one-liner had me dying 😂😂😂
What was the timestamp for that?
I was on the edge of a seat the moment I realized Sal was gonna bury the lead and not tell Ben and Ethan about the Spiderman connection until the end and I absolutely loved it!
"one time i got kidnapped in the dominican republic" ... I want a Back Issues about that Sal!
Ben was SO close to figuring it out at 20:30 😂
20:27 *kill bill sirens*
I would love to hear Mark Millar talk about this book in retrospect.
I don't think he remembers writing this.
@@bacsilva like a bad fever dream 😂 not sure of what is real.
@@bacsilva Probably not 😂
According to the triva section on the tv tropes page of “trouble” Mark has gone on the record to say this was one of the worst things he’s ever written. And considering his career and record that's saying a lot. So take that with a grain of salt.
We've entered the darkest timeline.
Goatees, now
This is why the multiverse sucks and I'm thankful it probably doesn't exist.
Linkara · 12 Years Ago but all we have to so if we’re the darkest timeline is enter the prime one and replace ourselves
We weren't there already?
@@kronemerj
All Star Batman, Year Two, and Clone Saga were the peak of shitty mainstream comics tho..
36:20 that better be a tangent! You can’t throw a bombshell like that and just walk away from it!
Also, I think Peter was named after the manager of the resort (The Dean). I think that's pretty interesting, and would have made for a decent character development, but it just barely gets alluded to in a single panel that states The Dean and his wife helped the girls out with the pregnancy.
I can’t wait for Mar Ville Back Issue episode when that happens because it’s so awful it’s worth a episode!
The show’s over if he covers Marville.
@@idongesitusen5764 Well, now they did.
Boy do we have news for you
I love the way you unpacked this story. Burying the lede and letting Ben and Ethan work it out (and then pulling it off so seamlessly) is a testament to how hard you work on each episode. I really appreciate how you think about the ways in which the story you tell has to be adapted for first the couch, then us the viewer. 👏👏👏
20:27 the moment Ben realized this story was about Spider-Man's Aunt & Uncle
"Pool bar" has become the primary goal of my life now...an olympic style high dive..then straight to being fed shrimps one at a time. Thats the life...
Sal's wink halfway through killed me! LMAO
The fact Bucky and Mrs.Grey are named dropped. I was always saw it as Millar got cold feet on this book, and was like "shit i got to get out of this." There Bucky is a living eldery man so its a different universes. Whoa dodged a bullet"
The wink
Is perfect at 30:34 sal
My jaw dropped when Sal said Richard and Ben
30:30 best Sal wink ever
Sal be winking like I’ll save this for later
The infamous "Trouble". I'm pretty sure whenever this book came up before, Sal has only ever said it would never be on the show...so you know we're in for quite a ride.
A french photographer, being kidnapped in the Dominican Republic, a comic book about teenage sex in the 60s, Sal burying the lead like a champ, the wink, the reveal... can I go back in time to experience this episode again for the first time?
And let's not forget "Peter wants to bang his mooooom..." --- that was amazing
At first, I was like why are they doing Trouble? But as the video went on it dawned on me: Ben and Ethan don't know the "twist." Well sirs, at first you have my curiosity, now you have my attention.
P.S. Good job Sal on that humdrum way to reveal the twist. Really let me feel the pointlessness of that revelation.
I love the wink. Expert trolling
Insanity
I have to assume that since they talk about Bucky Barnes being a war photographer, that trouble was intended to be set in the Ultimate Universe. Millar’s already tangential connection to that universe (and setting up Bucky as a war photographer in The Ultimates) makes it even more likely. The timelines would match up better too, since as Ethan pointed out, Aunt May in the regular universe was already old in the 60’s.
Oh boy, when the covers are revealed.
Immediate gold
My fingertips gripped the arms of my chair at the 20 minute mark. "Ha ha ha almost like uncle ben ha ha." I died.
The reaction to the cover on Ethan and Ben its priceless
All the little hints Sal throws out to hint towards what it really is keep sending me, best one yet is when he says Ben isn't "Spectacular." Lol
20:12 I love the realization there😊
When Sal said Marville had iron man and black panther talk about race i Immediately thought oh this is where the thing where Iron man says the N-Word and black panther basically says “that’s not cool bro” in as uncaring as the wordage implies
Also I hope we get a tangent about that time Sal got kidnapped in the Dominican Republic cause I don’t want that to be something that’s never brought up and never explaind
Oh no 🤦🏻♂️
Or that time Kitty Pryde says it to Stevie Hunter in God Loves Man Kills. Maybe not the same but as a black dude it was still uncomfortable. I guess that was the point tho.
@@captainvimes6079 Thats not the only time she said it. Kitty Pryde in the 80's did not give a fuck. She said N-word two other times.
ComiXProvider FTW_02 Tbf, Kitty Pryde said that towards a guy who was calling her a Mutie. Yeah, it’s a fictional slur and it’s not AT ALL the same as an actual slur, but in-universe it makes sense as to why she would use that word towards someone nonchalantly calling her a slur. Like, it’s still very YIKES, but... I kinda get what they were going for.
Chandler Burse literally Tony is about to say something really bad about black people and then instead of saying that’s untrue T’Challa says “don’t use that word, it would make you look bad”
Listen to Ethan grunt at 10:54 as he grabs the book. He's like, "Aw, Sal, don't make me do this."
How to know it's a good day? ComicPop posts a Back Issues.
I can already tell from the thumbnail this is gonna be a fun episode
Man, if this series drove Linkara crazy, I have to see Ethan's and Ben's reaction to it
Lewie is very stringent imo, his views on superheroes are ones I laugh at constantly
@@AnarchicArachnid sucks to be you I like his channel
@@joaquinjfernandez1528 cool I like to laugh at his channel
Sal knows his competition. Lol "Let linkars rip it apart." Lol I love it.
that last shot of sal going "that sucks" is pure gold
OH yes!!! You did TROUBLE!! :) So glad I caught this one.