How to Setup a Floyd Rose Trem System Properly with Low Action and Intonation
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No idea why this doesn’t have more likes, probably one of the best informative videos I’ve come across. He’s him, will definitely come back to this vid after I get my floyd.
Thanks my friend! I appreciate the support!
Great video very useful ty.
This is basically the only video I was able to find about how to set up the intonation for a Floyd Rose bridge guitar. You saved me good money and I learned a ton. Cheers from Italy!
Thanks for letting me know! I’m so glad it was helpful!
I absolutely second this comment!
@@scottmcleod1470 Thanks man! that's super encouraging!
Superb tutorial
Your passion for music speaks for itself
Thanks a ton
Floyd approved trems will all have 3 adjustment intonation positions for the Floyd saddles.
You missed the key trick with Floyds, you leave the springs in and block it in the back to keep the trem perfectly level while you're working on it. It essentially turns into a hardtail and completely eliminates the hours of frustration people go through tying to balance it. You then do the typical relief, action, nut triage, then intonation, and finally at the end, you leave the block in the trem, then very slowly start loosening the springs at the back until the block falls out. The block with be tilted ever so slightly forwards, but just retune it and it'll balance out to perfectly level.
Boom perfect Floyd rose setup in under an hour. Any tech charging extra for Floyd setups either has no idea what they are doing or are gouging.
man, your movies are so amazing this one actually is so informative, and you get into details and you that with so much good attitude and instructions. thanks a lot, you are a good man.
Wow! That’s a huge compliment! Thank you!
I’ve been fighting mine on my Kramer Pacer Classic and I now have the knowledge I need to fix that. Thank you for making this video.
Awesome to hear! Thanks much for letting me know!
I have found to leave my nut locks loose for a few hours of playing 🙃 using tremolo excessively to stretch strings 🙃 tune one final time with fine tuners at the 3/4 up position because most of your tuning will be tightening strings now mostly as they stretch. I find if I leave them at the halfway position I will eventually run out of adjustment as strings get a month or so old ,I only get about 60 days out of a set of strings if that and once you are all setup and insinuated it definitely seems to be faster to just replace 1 string at a time and it always comes together perfect, I have found the heaviest sustain block 😀 and some hair ties or rubber bands will dampen the spring vibration also.and always have a hardtail to just grab and play as much as I love the floyd rose it just doesn't ring out or have the sustain of a hardtail,lol.i will always have a full floating tremolo there just to much fun .a surface mount one way tremolo is a little better solution if you want the stop ✋ of the one way and a halfway hardtail sound.once the overdrive and distortion along with a big amp come together ❤ it kinda hides any sound discrepancies the floyd has when playing it unplugged 😆 hardtail definitely has the cleaner sounds 👌 but I still live in that 80s zone .long live on the sound of evh Eddie was the master original trickster of the floyd rose.peace and nice informational video for the guys still fighting with there floyd 👍 😀
Yes good recommendation
I recently changed the string gage on my Jackson/Floyd Rose and took them all off at once so this info helps a lot. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback! I appreciate it!
This video answers my questions. Great job
Glad I could help!
Great vid. This showed me that I need to take my guitar with a Floyd to a pro so I’ll save myself hours a frustration, tool throwing and ultimately taking her to pro anyway🤘
I've been trying to set up my first floyd rose guitar properly for a while. This video was very informative and helpful. Solid video.
Rock on!
Love those strings.
I do mine a bit different, I fashioned a block that fits in the back between the fr and guitar body and holds the saddle flat while I back off the spring screws. Tune it up (which will be a lot faster cause your not fighting against the fr) slightly flat before tightening nut, so that it will come back to tuned when tightening lock nut, fine tune it then start tightening spring screws just enough to where the block comes out (will have a liitle bit of resistance, but should come out easy), everything should be balanced perfectly. When I first started out had an Ibanez and had no clue how to setup trem and could never keep in tune so i locked the saddle and had no trem. then ytube came out n I learnt how to setup a guitar properly, went out and bought gauges and files and stuff. I've also seen a guy use a bunch of picks instead of a block cause not all guitars are the same, and he didn't want to be making blocks all the time, but it is tricky to hold those picks and slide them in without loosing one and they all fall. I go through these steps every time I change strings even if theyre the same Guage, because not all strings are the same, and you want that thing perfectly balanced, spring tension and string tension should be same. Anyhow thought I'd share for the beginners watching. Also get a Floyd rose intonating tool
Good advice! Thanks!
That was very interesting Steve! thanks!
Kind of a technical one, but I would imagine someone will benefit!
Great video helped me out alot...
Wonderful! Glad to help ya out!
Great video 🙂
Thank you 😁
Thanks so much. Now it's my turn to go from .10s to 09s, wish me luck.
Best of luck!
This is helpful thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation, I am much more confident in setting up my Ibanez thank you!
Hey glad I could help! Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome video
Thanks!
really nice
Thank you!
nice video, just a word of caution, try to avoid raising and lowering the action on a Floyd with strings/springs at full tension. Minor adjustments are inevitable but lowering a few turns like you did ruins the knife edges of the floyd. Best to loosen the strings and remove a spring or two before doing major action adjustments
Yes thank you….I am aware….But must say thank you especially for letting me know kindly. It’s amazing how many people just love to tear a person down!
not sure if you can answer this? i am fairly new at set up. I have an EVH Frankenstein with floyd rose trem. What are common action numbers on the 1st and 6th string? I understand everyone is different but is there a starting point?
thank you sir
Most welcome
Hello there what do you do when the trem actually slips out of tune at random, like I dont have a clue what triggers it but. Its really random slips way out of tune in a weird way for a moment then usually comes back normal
Hard to know without looking, but would check if it’s sticking somewhere in the range of motion?
Good video
Thanks
Would changing the string tension in the back help with having to move the saddles so far back?
Just something I thought about. 🤔
Spring tension will have an effect on intonation but very little.:..each string should be be properly intonated using the saddle adjustment.
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 I gotcha. 🙂👍
hey man, not sure if this channel is still active, I need advice on how to set up a head crasher type trem, the type where the string ball ends get left behind the trem right below the fine tuners, a bit easier to restring but wanted to know your thoughts
I really haven’t worked with that bridge, so not sure I’d be much help. The one you have is like a Fernandes version of a Floyd Rose?
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 yep! I followed your advice, although at that time somehow the locking nuts weren’t the right fit, now though I’ve got the right replacements, then I’ll rewatch ur vid to set it up, it has those top screws as well like a floyd
Was messing with my Floyd guitar tonite and I noticed my saddles are not even with each others like the guitar your working on ,all the saddles are in sync with each other…
Is there really a neutral position for saddles for checking for #/b’s ?
I would not say a neutral position….what is key for saddle placement is that they are positioned for perfect (or as close as you can get) intonation. Intonation determines where the saddle is placed on each string. Do some research on how to intonate a guitar. Play an open E on your low string….make sure it’s in tune…now play the same string on the 12th fret just pressing hard enough to make the note ring…is it sharp or flat? It should still be in tune…that’s intonation. Take note the harder you press the string or if your bending it, will make it go sharper…try to make the note sound without excessive force. The saddle will need to be moved forward or backward depending on how flat or sharp that note is.
So I saw the entire bridge plate can be moved up/down and the bridge saddles can be moved forward/back but can the bridge saddles be moved up/down individually?
On this particular one no they could not, but some do have that!
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 Ok.
I have a strat with a locking nut and floyd rose and have never tried to set it up and it needs a string change. Your video was very helpful so it'll give me a good start to try mine now.
The real reason I was asking was because my strat has a compound radius. All my other guitars have a normal radius so I usually adjust the saddles to match the radius, just wasn't sure how that works for a compound radius. They all look pretty flat to me right now so we'll see, trial by fire lol
on intonation. ,when every string was sharp , I missed the part about moving back the saddles distance . how far back they needed to go 'til intonated
You move them until it’s intonated. You need to keep checking to see that it’s in tune at the 12th fret as well as in tune when playing the string open. If your open E is perfectly in tune, then your goal is for your 12th fret E on the same string to also be perfectly in tune (not sharp or flat)
Use the tremolo Bar to lower the Spring Tension when u set the Action on the Flpyd Rose, the way you do it is damaging the Studs
I stopped watching after seeing this. Ideally you should adjust without ANY tension from the springs and the strings. Otherwise you'll damage both the studs and the bridge. This is the main reason why FR doesn't return to pitch after using it.
This doesn't do what you want it to do. The pressure of the knife edge on the studs will always be there no matter what position you put the tremolo bar. The only way to reduce the pressure is to either remove the springs or detune the strings so they are slack. At that point you will notice that the bridge knife edges are off the posts and there is no pressure. If you just lower the tremolo bar, this reduces tension in the strings, but increases tension in the springs and vice versa when you raise the tremolo bar. The overall pressure of the knife edges on the studs remains constant until you detune or remove springs (or both).
If you’ve lowered the Floyd all the way and adjusted the truss rod RIGHT before you start getting fret buzz what is my option to get it lower ?
I’m assuming your Floyd Rose sits on the body but is not countersunk into the body? The ones I build, I countersink so that I can get it as low as I want.
If I took my Ibanezrg450dx and put the pickups on my jackson I forgot the name but it's green and black and it's a common $400 guitar... Do you think it would sound better for the Jackson or worse
It really is a personal preference as to what you prefer….without knowing the exact pickups in each, it’s hard to say! I don’t think it would be worth the change if both are a basic Ibanez or Jackson pickups….if you had some of the Steve Vai Jem pickups then I would say for sure but if your Jackson has EMG 81/85’s I would say definitely not. Otherwise….if you are simply saying you like the sound of your Ibanez better than the Jackson but you like the playability of the Jackson better, then sure, why not!
Can anyone tell me how to stop my saddle lock screws from touching my strings when i pull up? is this a standard floyd rose problem?
I’m not exactly certain I know what you’re referring to…but I think you’re talking about pulling up on the bar…to the point in which your strings bottom out on the saddle screw below them. While players will often do this , the Floyd isn’t designed to be pulled up…it’s designed to push down….it can be a cool effect when pulling up though….without looking at your setup, my assumption is that the bridge is set with too much rear movement in play….the bridge should be parallel with the body….if it’s angled down with the back higher than the front …it would allow to much movement when pulling up…the bridge should bottom out before strings hit the screws….the spring on the back can be tightened to make the adjustment.
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 yes to the first half, i was pulling up 1 full step and my saddle screws were touching, my set up was perfect strings had low action and the bridge was parallel after watching a few videos on how to float a regular strat trem bridge i figured i could just let the bridge lean forward a little and set the intonation accordingly i can now pull up 1 and a half steps and get no buzzing. thanks for your reply, I appreciate it!
@@educationplaylists Hey...Glad you figured it out and shared with us what your solution was...that make's sense to me!
What model Jackson is that?
Ya know …. I’m not certain. It isn’t my guitar. I was fixing it for someone else….I’m guessing it’s age to maybe be from sometime in the 90’s. But not sure the model.
Will lowering the action mess up intonnation?
Shouldn’t….but it’s easy to check and fix.
This is why I stick to Hardtails......Love to dive bomb, but man I'm no tech!!
I use locking machine heads with a fender roller nut. Don't need to lock it on the nut
I also use locking tuners and love them!
I tremolo block the bridge so it's stable but can still dive bomb
And you apparently hang out with Billy Gibbons!
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 well of course he's awesome
This system is horribe in my opinion. Bought an ibanez RG 320 fm without thinking about it might have a different bridgesystem. I tried to tune it to drop C, and have not been able to play it since haha. Why do they make this system ? Can't really see the benefit.
Actually if you are familiar with them, and know how to set them up, they’re phenomenal. That is if you appreciate Eddie Van Halen.
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 Yeah it's properly because i'm not familiar with the system. My bridge is tilting downwards. Do I place the strings first and then thighten the springs ? Or the other way around
"I did not know that these came with two holes."
Yeah it’s good to know!
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 😏😏 lmao
Yeah, this was key information. Great vid.
Just stretch then this before you tune it
Sure
I don’t understand why you have to worry about being demonized, if you’re playing an EVH song. I understand if you’re using their music, but if you’re the one playing the instrument, it’s never going to sound exactly how EVH played it. I’m still new to guitar, but I was an aerospace welder for many years, and I could look at a weld and knew who laid the bead. I feel an instrument is the same way; no two people will play in the exact same way. It’s like handwriting I guess.
Great vid btw.
It’s interesting I guess….but if the computer recognizes a song lick it’ll automatically demonetize your video. I’ve had it happen more than once.
@@letsbuildaguitar9230 I don’t make videos, but I actually got “reprimanded” for giving a guitarist a compliment that has an obvious disadvantage, and shreds far better than me. They labeled it as harassment/bullying. UA-cam is an absolute JOKE!
Because EVH was actually the devil. Play his riffs and you become his demon slave for all eternity. Bound only to shred the best tones and whammy tricks!
@@Planet9_music lol, I just reread my comment and see my phone autocorrected demonetized with demonized.
Dude what’s not a German Floyd. You have to get the tension off it .?😆
Your mistake was turning the pivot without loosening Floyd
Thanks…always willing to learn
@@letsbuildaguitar9230yeah. I learned the hard way. On a Floyd rose there is a knife edge where it balances on the post and if you raise your action by tightening or loosing the posts you wear down that knifes edge and overtime it cause issues with tunning, so what I do first…. Is oil that knifes edge every once awhile and every timeou I adjust action height I loosen the strings first make adjustments then retune…. It’s kind of annoying
Looks to me like you wound the strings at the headstock on the wrong side of the tuners. I quit watching after that.
Haha!!! With the reverse headstock for about 30 seconds…..Believe me it didn’t take but a moment to correct, but I didn’t show on editing! Good catch….but I do know how to properly wind strings, been doing it for 37 years. Sorry to disappoint with my reverse headstock dislexia!😜
Pick me .. Pick me .. I would love to own a jackson guitar
Just get to the point
Thanks, but for me the build is about the journey and slowing down to enjoy and appreciate. There is nothing wrong with you wanting it to just get to the point of manufacturing, but that’s not my point for building guitars. There are other great videos out there for that. Hopefully you’ll find what you’re looking for.
Rip knife edge. 😂
So whats the right way to do it ? To adjust the string height for floating trems
Awesome video
Thank you so very much for the positive feedback! It’s nice to know when I’ve been helpful.