Hoyt Formula XD Riser & Axia Limbs Review | The Best Feeling Hoyt Yet
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- An honest review of the Hoyt Formula XD Riser and Axia Limbs, does it stand up to the hype? Just how good does this setup feel? I give an in depth look on the Hoyt XD riser and Axia limbs including Draw Force Curves and Geometry measurements.
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Chapters:
00:00-1:40 Intro
1:40-5:22 XD Up Close
5:22-9:58 XD Geometry
9:58-11:08 XD Summary
11:08-17:06 AXIA Up Close
17:06-18:51 AXIA Disclaimer
18:51-27:56 AXIA Issue
27:56-28:53 AXIA Draw Force Curve
28:53-31:59 Custom Bow Parts
31:59-38:00 First Shots
38:00-41:25 Summary
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Hearing that cracking made me flinch like all hell. I've made a large number of traditional and primitive bows over the years and that sound has always been foreboding.... I'm glad Hoyt looked after the chap
been hoping for this review! very detailed as expected, lovely content Jake!
The good old, “These limbs won’t blow up.” Fingers crossed they’re less explosive than some of their older stuff 🤞
Limbs don't just blow up, the limbs at the Olympic games had been shot a lot, probably some damage in traveling, uv and water exposure etc. They had been worn quite a bit. Your HOYT limbs won't blow up any time soon.
@@justinvzu01 sorry mate, but I’ve seen quite a few sets of velos, especially the matte ones go pop with very little arrows through them. Sure a lot of the limbs at the Olympics were shot to smithereens, but to say that these limbs would only break when shot out isn’t realistic sadly
@@justinvzu01 yeah sorry mate +1 Seen a Xtour limb go BLAMMM! Not very funny.
I think, to make it stronger they attached both wood in the front, this time, I’m sure this will be stronger than valos. I use 4lbs stronger limbs and crank them out so I don’t put too much stress on the limbs. I know I may need to sacrifice some speed, since they are 48lbs (46# 5 turns out 48# in my fingers) it won’t make much difference.
Thank you for the indepth honest review.
Waiting to see your review of the w&w atf DX, nice video as always
Hi Jake, thank you so much for this and all of your other brilliant videos! I have a pair of Axia limbs and they have been making crackling/cracking sounds like the ones you pointed out. I wasn't sure whether that was a red flag until now. On further inspection, I don't see any visible separations in the limbs themselves, but I have concluded that the limb tips are uneven and that I have the same type of twisted limb (I was wondering why they were so tricky to align compared to my Velos). I am definitely reaching out to Hoyt about this. Thanks again!
P.S. the limb bolts you designed seem fantastic and the clock markings are a game changer!
A prominent Utah archer and coach (that you know well) said he had the perfect set of Axia's for a barebow setup... clicker was factory installed at 27". LOL. I'm glad I went with the MK Zest's. Buttery smooth and not a flaw in the fit and finish.
Hi Jake..I love watching your videos and always look forward for more. I started archery at age 27 in 1990 and I immediately bought my Cherry Red Hoyt TD4 with 40lbs Carbon+ limbs. It was awesome. Last year I decided to give it a break and bought a Victory Red Xceed with 36lbs Velos limbs (matt finish), ..yes I went down in poundage due to age. I immediately didn't fall in love with the grips provided (one black the other white, same shape)..I found that they felt too narrow even though I am a small person with relatively small hands. Tried to beef them up using that tape wrap used for tennis rackets but I hated them even more. Saw one of your videos and decided to invest in one of your lower pivot point grips done by RCore. It felt good, my groups got tighter and was super happy. I shoot about 4 times a week, maybe averaging some 80 arrows every time, nothing more. Then I noticed a crack in the 3D printed RCore grip. Crack started from the front end towards the screw hole. I said OK, the screw hole will serve as a stress relieving hole, but no, the crack crept further back. It was about to split in half. I was afraid it might hurt me so I removed it. May I point out that I never overtighten the screws or leave them loose. I wrote an email to RCore but got no answer. My friend pointed out that, reading between the lines, RCore only give a 30 day warranty (ppfff, even carrots last longer) and hence the reason why they didn't answer my email, I think. VERY DISAPPOINTED with RCore, and those grips are not cheap. Now I'm using a grip which the same friend 3D printed for me, very similar to that grip...and I'm back in business.
I’m a bit late responding you your comment by, only just read it. EU law states customers MUST receive 2 years warranty against faulty goods. I believe R-Core are based in Greece so, they’re in the EU. If you paid with a credit card, you could probably make a claim for refund through your credit card company.
I bought a new pair of Formula Carbon Integras last year. The top limb was so twisted it was scary when you drew it back. Replaced by Hoyt distributor but should never have left the factory. They don't seem to do basic quality control on the items sold to the public. I presume items sent to the pros are checked more carefully. If their return rate remains high they might start spending money on QC.
A stunning looking bow and going by your comments a lovely bow to shoot. The quality control is disappointing though considering the price point. The limb bolts are super nice. Any plans to make them for Gillo G1?
Great video as always, Jake. But I want to bring a question that's been in my head for a while. Why is it so hard to find reviews of at least intermediate level risers (if not the low end of the spectrum). I understand that the money's probably on the latest and greatest stuffs, but I think most archers (not professional ones) will want to know more about the more budget friendly area of the sport. It'd be nice if you can talk about them more in your videos. For instance, I really enjoyed your video on the Sanlida risers. If I knew about that riser before I bought my first ILF risers (it's a WNS), I'd probably go with the Sanlida one. Because those who need your "advices" from the video will likely be more beginner and intermediate level archers, no?
I'm curious what your thoughts are about the XD as a barebow riser. There's been some debate about the way the lowered pivot point interacts with stringwalking
I hope you can get your hands on the Gray AIX sometime. It's definitely something different and I like it much better than my previous Hoyt Epik.
I've also held the new Stratos in Wilderness and the previous Invicta in Podium Red and I do prefer the powdercoat over the cerakote.
Hey! Someday could you make a comparison in tuning and shooting at 70m, same bow, same spine arrows, BUT different weight in the point of the arrow, varying from 120, 110 and 100 and also comparing tungsten vs steel points. I’d like to see how those changes impact the tuning, the flight of the arrow and if it makes a difference in grouping or accuracy, of course to see which one is the best setup. Don’t know if you already have something on that.
Jake, great review and thanks for pointing these out. I just got a set of these; really like XD riser but I have concerns about the limbs. I do hear some cracking noise when initially stringing the bow. Next, when both tiller bolts are set at the same (theoretically neutral tiller), I have -0.25" tiller when I put on the Axia limbs. I wonder if the Axia are "tillered" by design, but if it is, the negative value is incorrect. I suspect they have mislabeled the limbs, in that case, this is not good QC. Have you noticed this as well?
Sometimes it is enough to put some string wax on the contact points between the limbs and the riser. That often solves cracking noises. If it does, it’s not a laminate issue. If it doesn’t, you might have a serious problem.
Limb pairs are individual. Sometimes you get a good pair and sometimes you get a not fully as good. With Hoyt you always needed quite a bit of luck to get a perfect pair. I don’t know it that changed with the last generations of limbs however, but no manufacturer have a perfect record when it comes to limb quality from pair to pair.
i kinda still stand with my original impression when hoyt released this. It's an mk korea clone with an even higher pricetag. it'd be interesting to see someone compare it to the zest, mx or xcore.
Glad he's getting a replacement set but that should have never gotten through quality control in the first place.
Funny to see someone's joints crack more then mine.
Right now i'm eagerly awaiting a machx in the coming weeks wich i'm super stoked about.
That clicking would be a deal breaker for me but at least they honored the warranty.
Thanks!
Thanks for the super thanks!
So mine also crack like this on setup but I don't have the delam by the Y.
Hi Jake, need those limb bolts, been checking your website every day! Is there an estimate on release and can I preorder?
Can you compare the ATF-X to the formula XD as the grip position looks to be in the same place when I compared it side by side
my first Velos limbs are not symmetrical and after stringed it looks twitsted. Cost me lot money and time. But I still got all Hoyt setup, really hopes they could make their product better.
For the price and Hoyt’s reputation, you would think like many other products the limbs would be tested on an actual riser to validate spec before shipping out.
What is the recommendation tiller for this bow?
Hi Jake, why you don’t use the Gillo GT anymore ?
It sounds good when shot
This video convinced me to go for the VELOS. Much better price, twice as good looking. Def the way to go. Too bad it's hard to find them new nowadays
Here in Europe there's still loads of them, but yeah, new limbs are never worth the full price.
@@justinvzu01 i live in Italy. I did find some brand new ones at 660€ but no 68 inches long 38-42# I need
+1 they look so dope man. Still available on net, but 880 € too much. I was lucky someone ordered 38# brandnew in a local archery shop but never collected - so i found them in the store and bang mine for 690 €.
Why do tje olimpic and bare bow archers never use super curved limbs? Like those of morrison max6 ?
36:58 the fly sound haha
Mosquitos out in full force.
I think they fixed the limb bolt tolerances. My limbs are snugly fit into the bolts.
This is why I'm not an early adopter. Hopefully Hoyt gets all the kinks ironed out before it comes time when I want to switch out my Velos.
I wouldn't have done the review without a $ price given and displayed. That is critical in today's UA-cam market. Just me. ✌️
Hey Jake,
Did you measure the distance (horizontly) of the plunger button and the deepest area in the grip?
It looks like the Button is way further back than with other risers, similar to the Kinetic Sovren
It’s pretty much over the pivot on the stock grip.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery so very similar to other Hoyt risers, like the exceed for example?
@@aceventura1442 what can be the effect of a different position? I started this summer with barebow an have not much knowledge.
@@zaidsalam5981 I don't know.. It could have an effect on the forgiveness of a riser. So far, most brands and risers put the button right above the pivot point (deepest point of the grip) but the sovren has it further back. I always thought of it as a design quirk, but it looked like the new hoyt was the same, so I wondered if there was something to it
Please make video on win and win DX riser
Hi Jake!
Can I buy this new hoyt setup if I have 31.5 inch draw length? Or should I look for 27 inch riser?
You can get a 25" riser with the extra long version limbs for a 73" bow.
@@justinvzu01 73 inch limbs are only available for Ilf not for formula. I would like Hoyt XD either
Don't know if this helps but ... Sjef van den Berg, the star from the Netherlands, also has a 31.5" draw, and he shoots a 70" bow (25" riser + long limbs). A lot of OR archers seem to stick with 70", even if they are pushing the envelope of draw length, to keep the power efficiency of the smaller bow. I have a 32" draw, and I shoot a 72" bow (27" riser + long limbs). I notice the power difference from a 70" bow for sure. It's not a problem for me, because I am only shooting 50 meters max now (have switched to barebow from OR), but it might be an issue for an OR archer looking to hit 70 meters.
Hello Jake,
Love and Appreciate your content, it’s really helpful for a Beginner archer like me….😊
Can I make you a request….!! If possible can you review a Indian Round Bow……it’s basically a Basic wooden recurve bow( and when I say it’s basic I mean it’s very,very,very basic from the one that you always show in your videos).
That’s the bow we get when we start archery here in India.
I know this comment is getting long and boring but I just really wanted you to ask…… Approx. how long can we expect for one to start from scratch and to finally complete in Olympics🙂( just Curious)☺️
Love from India 🇮🇳 ❤
I shoot a samick sage and love it. Very reasonable and can spend more money on upgrading limbs until you get to the lb you want. I'm at 40 and will say-I like it here. I tried 45 but at 52yrs old... it's enough at 40... 38 would probably be my sweet spot.
Disappointing that the bucket dampers are only press-fit.
It was my understanding that limb tip grooves are hand-finished. Is that true? I've seen big differences in different limb pairs from the same model.
Basically all dampers of this type are press fit. The ones on the WIAWIS are press fit, but vertical. Matthew's are the same.
@@InFerrumVeritas Sounds variable to me...
What about Ultima's sights?
They're amazing, that's all you need to know. Lol. The only thing really is that they're just an RC3 with a different carbon bar. Although the carbon bar on the pro kills vibration very well.
@@justinvzu01 I'm really sorry, but can you translate it into Korean?
I like your bolts but won’t they rust? If it does, wouldn’t that be a nightmare to remove from the raiser?
They are stainless steel.
For barebow wich, one would you choose? Hoyt Axia or W&W MXT-10 Foam?
I tried the foam and wow. It's still impressive but I shoot a really cheap samick sage bow.
@@ddeboy002 lol I’m actually upgrading from a sage to the xd with axia limbs. Got the riser just waiting on the limbs, backordered :(
Atf dx review please
I’m in contact with W&W…
Did you change to Shibuya for sights?
This is someone else’s bow I am borrowing
@@JakeKaminskiArchery now it makes sense, bc you were also using shrewd stabilisation. Thank you for clarifying it for me again. Only thought you borrowed the riser and limbs.
So the new, heavier, slower, resin infused axia limbs, still have the potential for disaster from multiple possibilities. Good to know.
Just noticed that the string groove are narrow, it looks strange if you used many strands, for example if you going to use 20 strands bow string, maybe it's look quite good if using only 16 or 18 strands.
If you could shoot only one of the following risers, which would it be? The Formula XD, ATF-X or Meta-DX?
Kurt, as a recreational archer who shoots a formula setup, I'd have bought an ILF setup with hindsight. I'd buy a used MK riser if one came up at a good price, or any of "last year's" high-end risers on clearance.
If you have the chance, shoot as many as you can!
@@Hatchet898 I had an mk alpha. Didnt like it. The limbs were and are good though.
@@Bakero007 fair enough. I had an alpha and it was a little too light for me. I have a beta now, and I get along with it better. Their limbs are the reason I'm stuck with formula. I have 2 sets of veracity limbs and they are fantastic.
@@Hatchet898 I shot 5 different risers this year, and the formula x with velos gave the fastest higher results.
I’ve shot both. Atfx with its own dampers is superior post shot feel to me.
was waiting fo this. Probably they aint worth the price
Nothing new is worth the price to us average shooters.
What happened to the barebow series?
In-process! Will have the next installment Thursday.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Greeat, looking forward to it.
When the limbs are twisted such a sound may come from rubbing in the limb pockets or from moving the string around the nock when the limbs are twsting. Probably, the marks on the carbon were also created by twisting.
Only the top limb is “twisted” both limbs have the marks.
Also I’ve shot limbs twisted beyond this set and they never made noise. So I’m not convinced the noise comes from the twist.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery It is enough that only one is twisted, the torsional displacement is reflected in both limbs when the bow is drawn because they are connected by a string. But who knows what's going on there, the limbs certainly don't sound good. It can certainly be tested, put some grease on the knock grooves and see if the sound goes away. Thanks for the video, great channel I have learned a lot here about technique.
forget these limbs for the money. Velos is way safer and better. I don't like the little knob holding the string on the axia.
Switch to MK limbs and you’ll never go back. Construction and finish 100%.
Difinetly heard a crack this would concern me
Non glossy riser♥️...love matte colors..
Will we ever see the day when You will shoot traditional bow, Jake?
You are hinting and promising this for how long now, a year?
What went wrong in this regard?
22 minutes ago lesgo
Too bad Hoyt went with a Cerakote finish, it's cutting corners. I own a CD Archery riser with Cerakote finish. Although i love it, the durability of the finish is less then stellar compared to anodising or powder coat. The Axia limbs came with several flaws, really? They're more than 1k € here in Germany. With this narrow string grove they better are dead straight! A lot of cutting corners and quality issues for this expensive equipment. I went away from Hoyt years ago due to constant quality issues. Seems like nothing has changed. Recent update: a friend just bought a Hoyt satori riser and couldn't fit his arrow rest. Because the thread wasn't cut properly. A guy from my archery club had the same problem several years ago!
Cerakote is ceramic based and more durable than any other finish. Aggressive sand blasting is the only practical way of removal. Resistance to wear/abrasion, UV, corrosion, chemicals and impacts is impressive and a #1 priority for busy archers who don't want to babysit anodized or powder coated fluff.
@@scottk.3636 Are u a spokesman for the company? Ceramic based or not, after one season of use the metal shines through on hot spots on the riser. On the corners below the grip the finish is completely worn off. There are several scratches with visible metal too. I've never had that happen to anodised or powder coated risers before. Look up the forums. I'm not the only one complaining about Cerakote durability.
@@chrisbowman2030 Riser wasn't properly prepped. I've never seen failure on many heavily used, abused and holstered firearms.
@@scottk.3636 OK, thanks for the hint. Or ist it that Cerakote doesn't work that well on aluminium? Maybe it better bonds to steel.
@@chrisbowman2030 Good point. Aluminum requires special prepping just for rattle can paint.
Hoyt xd gruping video
Can u gift me 1 pair or limb my limbs broken 😢
Hoyt is way over priced.
hoyt being hoyt! that limbs are so overpriced, just buy ukkha, wns or even a cartel limbs XD