Win&Win ATF-DX Riser & MXT-XP Limbs Review Unboxing, Setup, Tuning
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
- I unbox the top of the line gear from W&W Archery for 2023. The ATF-DX 25" Riser and MXT-XP Long Limbs are quite the combination of stability and punch but KILL vibration after the shot. This is one of the best if not the best aluminum riser from Win&Win Archery.
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Chapters:
00:00-1:03 Intro
1:03-8:08 ATF-DX Riser
8:08-10:25 Riser Dampers
10:25-11:15 Dovetail Plate
11:15-19:16 MXT-XP Limbs
19:16-25:19 Setup
25:19-39:33 Tuning
39:33-49:07 Summary
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That RISER & those LIMBS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭❤️👍🏼. I DONT NEED ANOTHER RISER, I DONT NEED ANOTHER RISER, I DONT NEED ANOTHER RISER😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
What bow are u currently shooting?
@@blizzbee my main one is an AXT. My back-up and low weight practice set up are various KAP & old Sabasian Flute (Win Win) risers. Happily bought them used $$$
Which riser and limb are
best for me .
Thank you for this video! I have been doing some research, as I am looking to purchase a new riser, and your channel has been very helpful 😊
Finally a gear review again. 👍 Not planning to buy new stuff, but loving it. Thanks!
Have been shooting MXT-XP Foam limbs in an ATF-X riser for a week now. Previously MXT-10 in identical length and poundage. The first thing I noticed, the limbs were super tight on the limb bolts. At first would not slide in at all. With some manipulation finally went in. And I expect (hope) will wear in with use. Second difference , the new limbs are slightly longer. Using the same string as for the MXP-10’s brace height was a full half inch higher. Have had to go to a slightly longer string. Lastly, agree the limbs are super quiet out of the box. Actually whisper quiet. However the sound and the vibration after a few hundred shots definitely changes. Louder and more low frequency vibration. Still pretty good but would take care comparing a brand new setup out of the box with one that has been shot for a while. It will change over time.
It is very likely the string that change, not the limbs. Even if the varnish and outer finish set a bit.
Thank you for the golden tip!
Great review. Very thorough. Nice knowing what to expect exactly, before I buy a riser or limbs, . Thanks.
Thanks Jake. I was looking forward to your ATF-DX review and you didn't disappoint. That was great!
"Forgive my shaking" * casually shoots 10's while holding the bow more still than I ever will * 😂
I have been waiting for a review on this riser ever since it became available. THANK YOU JAKE!
Great review, thank you.
At the end, you mention you're looking forward to a 27" riser for use as barebow. Is there some reason you want that size (rather than, say, 25") for barebow use? Perhaps you mentioned it in your barebow tuning series, but I don't recall that point. Thanks for your fine review, and for any help with this question!
Nice video always
Which vanes do you use in this vidéo ?
this is the review i've been waiting for! Great content.
I love how thoroughly you go through your reviews. I would venture to say they are the best I've seen. That and I really want this bow!! Might be time to sell a kidney. One owner only slightly used and well hydrated... 😜🤣
Hi Jake! That is a work of art! Though I would replace those plastic bits in the pockets! Hey, I don't like plasic!
My generation learned that the primary difference between wood and foam is that wood changes with the conditions, foam doesn't! One of my friends, Keith Muspratt, was practicing and every shot he gave his sight a tweak! Keith was an incredibly laid back guy, and I asked him why he kept fiddling with his sight?
And he said that as evening was coming down and getting cooler, his sight mark changed! A little while later he turned up with some new Yamaha foam limbs?
How do you sort the difference of being weaker from not shooting much lately compared to impact of heavier limbs? Noticed less of the video spent time saying what you are going to do instead of just getting on to it happening seconds later and seemed to have less of the filler word 'so' compared to what I've usually noticed which are both good as it helps keep video on track to getting right to the point. Haven't had a 'good' riser in my hands to look at but wonder if limb bolts here and on the Sanlida have limb bolts that end more flat/rough instead of rounded/pointed and smooth changing how they impact against their locking bolt to spin unless held. Wondered if lubricating just that impact surface could help get desired results. Thanks for sharing.
Perfection 🤌🏼
Have you played with a Steady Aim ? It has what seems to be a quite nice vibration monitoring section in the app to monitor the bow reaction
damn 60k now, nice man :) I started out shootign recurve but had many years without because the guy I shot with moved. Then started again a few years ago when you had like 12k subs but then shot compound because the guys I'm shooting with are hunters. But I really like the olympic recurve style and it's nice to have some variation so also recently bought a horsebow.... Now, Could you make a video showing off what you believe is the best olympic recurve setup and why you think so? I like buying whats considered the best so I have confidence in my gear and know that if something goes wrong its because I suck :D Whats your favorite riser/limb combo, go to sight/clicker/plunger and stabilizers etc. keep doing your thing, love seeing you grow and someone whos passionate and knowledgable spreading knowledge :)
What do you think of this setup compared to the Hoyt formula so with axia limbs? If thinking of upgrading and what to spend my money on
Great Review
What arrow rest did you use?
Can I suggest that you unstring your bow before or after you've made an adjustment to the limb pocket alignment and string it up before you evaluate/sight your limb alignment?
Would be interesting to see a comparison between this riser and the Hoyd Xceed.
Nice!
Wondering if the new limbs are some sort of Inno EX limbs wrapped. it looks like they have a similar form 🤔
Heat pigment what?
Do they have plastic conversion kit available for older setups if it is better?
How does it perform without the harmonic balancer inserts?
Gloss black graphics on matte black finish in my opinion would be just absolutely peachy.
Thank you..
Do you have any info on the idea that Korean limbs stack more at higher dl more than say hoyt? I apologize if you have answered this alredy.
Great review! 🙌 What are your expectations to the 27“? I’m looking for a new riser with a length of 70“ over all, but never shot a 27“ riser with medium limbs.
27 inch riser is more for people whit a 32inch and longer drawlenght.Tall people
You said in min 2:10 that the grip feels tinner then other ones. Can you tell me which lenght it is exactly trough the grip point .
hello Jack, hello all
i m thinking to buy my first nice bow..
and i wanna ask whats your opinion betwen
atf-dx 27 and gt 27 gillo
i will shoot barebow. just for fun.
i love how dx looks..
but i love the change limbs poundage of gt..
any sugestions?
thanks.
Is the aae plunger better than the beiter plunger both are similar in price ?
Hi, why do you use 2 screws for mounting the sight on the riser only? The ATF-DX has 4 holes for it!
XP, XD...both companies have named their products with freaking emoticons
And remember, kids, your dollar is better spent on range time, coaching and getting the right arrow for you and your current bow.
cool video jake love to see the riser twist test in this riser want know how wiawis do some really work or not .thx bro
Hehe some weeks to late 😜 I am pretty happy with my mxt 10 limps in 36 lbs. Due to draw length I have enough draw weight 😁
would be interested in how these limbs compare to the wiawis ns graphene in the atf-dx as I noticed the majority of top w&w shooters never actually made the switch to the mxt-10 limbs as they were slower than the ns-g.
When you do the foam vs wood are you getting one of them swapped so they are both the same poundage to make it a direct comparison?
I have the same weight, length, and model limbs here, just different cores.
The Win&Win catalog shows all their grips fit the ATF-DX, including the standard type 7 grip for the ATF-X. It is simply the ATF-DX has a new standard type 8 grip. Did you check whether your grip fitted the ATF-DX?
I have just setup a atf-dx with mxt-xp long limbs. Only 1.5 turn out from factory setting and the bolts are already too far out for the limbs to contact it. And the draw weight did not change much from the adjustment. Meaning I have a hard time reducing the draw weight for the riser and limbs combination. Any suggestions please?
I want this... but I'm also excited that I now might be able to find a few more ATF-x's used....
What is the weight of the riser?
How would you rate this riser against Hoyt Gmx3 ?
I recently got a ATF-X 27" because the ATF-DX 27" won't be available "for quite a long time" according to W&W when I tried to order. Kinda of regretting not holding off now. Looks like some good changes that W&W's advertising hasn't shown. I don't like the grip on the ATF-X but have a R-Core I Am Recurve wood grip coming any day now to address that. The new W&W grip looks better, more Hoyt like with the flat palm. My ATF-X had the same limb bolt fit with my limbs which is good. My ATF-X tuned incredibly easy with very minimal adjustments to get the bare shafts landing close enough for me. Literally just aligned the bottom limb a tiny bit, adjusted the rest and even the Beiter plunger amazingly was spot on for the centre shot new from it's box. After that tweaked the nock height and that was it.
Hi, I have a question about the availability that you mentioned... At the moment I am wondering if should I wait for 27" dx or just buy 27 x? Do you have an information is it matter of days, weeks or months?
In the European stores there is still out of stock on the new dx. I'd love to buy a new one but if it is still a matter of months I would go to with the atfx..
@@danieljudi Jake got a 27” ATF-DX a couple of weeks back and I also saw someone online last week had just got one so looks like they just started shipping them.
Lovely RISER,
When you do foam vs wood it would be good to include vs bamboo as well as there are increasing number of bamboo core limbs.
I wish I had identical limbs with a bamboo core compared to maple but it doesn’t exist right now. My interest is in comparing two identical limbs with the only change being the core material.
Different brands or years of limbs also include changes in profiles, shapes, lengths and other material layups in the limb.
I finally got the riser and shot some 100's of arrows. I like the riser a lot but dislike the grip. The grip pivot point is too close to the arrow shelf, and the grip is way too thin on the top side. So, it pushed/pinched my tendon between thumb and index fingers really hard to the point that my index finger is numb. I am not going to use the riser until a custom grip arrives.
Also though somewhat unrelated. Not expecting a direct answer.
Plunger springs. Do more turns over the same length mean more tension? As in one has seven and the other has nine. Both feel same. Not seeing any difference in tuning. Probably a no-no but thinking about stretching one of them which I have two of to see.
Plus my new foam limbs are totally destroying my old target block.
Good section in The Art of Repetition by Simon Needham about plunger springs. Excellent book regards tuning your bow. That said, correctly matched arrow, adjust limb bolts to get bareshafts together with fletched at 30m, medium spring, medium setting, adjust centre shot with walk back, shoot your arrows and forget about a couple of clicks on your button; the variation in your shot will always be greater than a couple of clicks worth of spring tension.
I think that your reviews are so unavailable....... Thank you vey}ry Much Jake Kaminski 💙
Win&Win seminar about the new riser and limbs. There is also a slide about the the improved heat resistance (17:00).
ua-cam.com/video/_GDkwSo9VIY/v-deo.html
I constantly run into comments where people have limb alignment problems with that bow. Any comments on that please?
Never seen an issue on alignment.
Hi! These past few years I've been shooting with an ATF riser with 38 pounds limbs. I recently bought an ATF-DX riser and ran into a problem. On the ATF grip, the tiler bolts still had room to tighten and my limbs were close to 40 pounds with the screws all tightened. With the ATF-DX riser, with the tiler screws all tightened, the same limbs (and arrows) barely reach 38 pounds!! No room to increase poundage!!
Most likely you had the tiller bolts in past where they should have been for the ATF. The w&w bolts have no stops and will allow infinite adjustments, well outside of what should normally be run.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery My ATF tiller bolts also have a stopper collar. They are similar to the AFT-DX screws. The limbs (W&W MXT-F) are mark 38 pounds and I have 38 pounds on my fingers (measured with a scale) and I still have turns on the screw to increase power. In the AFT-DX, the same limbs, same brace, same arrow lenght, I barely reach to 38 pounds with the screws tightened to the maximum. Have you tried measure the poundage with the screws all in?
Until now is it still happened ?
@@ariawirayuda Yes. I shoot with the tiller bolts all to get ALMOST 38 pounds!
@@rijodel is it possible the trouble is on your scale measurement (not work properly) ? or maybe the tiller bolt is the problem
Book ordered ! I figure I was using your videos to tune my bow I owed you a book purchase.
I don’t get Wiawis tiller bolt protocol. Manual says don’t turn bolts more than 2 turns either way from factory settings but, doesn’t tell us what the factory settings are. If you assume ‘factory settings’ are what you get out of the box, what happens when you’ve tuned a little? You’ve moved away from ‘factory settings’ to tune your arrow spine and can’t remember where the hell you are? Hoyt’s system is dead simple; max 6 turns out from all the way in - you get lost, just go all the way in and start again. Am I being dense?
Agree with you 100%
The new DX risers have stops on the limb bolts. Should be 5.5-6 turns out max from that position is the range.
I’ll make a video on the w&w bolts and how to tell what the normal range is.
@@JakeKaminskiArchery Thanks Jake, I guessed that would be the case but, good to know for sure. I bought an ATF-DX riser from a large UK distributor and no one there could tell me with any confidence what the factory settings were. W&W don’t help matters by issuing the same generic manual for every riser they sell. Look forward to watching the video.
OH I liket that bushing just under the handle! The last bow I saw that on was my gloriously yellow Yamaha YTD 11, but that was in the days long ago when buying a bow was both Riser and limbs and plunger button as well! Mind you, the plunger that came with the bow was pretty awful!
I don't know the reason for the plastic component in the poket limb attachment. I guess it's a noise issue or productive(?)😶🌫
However, I can say that neither HOYT nor W&W invented anything, as it already existed on some European risers. See for example SMARTRISER XM1
PS: it's the second time I write this comment, perhaps the previous one was deleted because it contained the link to the SMARTRISER site
I hope it's not because of my bad English. For that I can only help me with GOOGLE 😥
A disabled archery player I don't have a bow to carry on archery I don't have the means to buy a bow Can you provide me with a bow It would be a great help to me
Made in China. Correct ?
Perfection 🤌🏼
Perfection 🤌🏼