As a Fistweaver I am almost always full mana and I do massive over healing. Really good for longevity fights. I can top the healing meter against far better geared classes and not use nearly the resources. It feels very OP. The big down side is a lack of oh shit healing when the group/raid is taking big hits at once.
For new MW looking at this don't forget : - Chiji (and yu'lon) spread a HOT when you cast envelopping mist called envlopping breath. This is the green icon you see on Growl UI when he uses the bird. It spread on 6 people but with a small range, the heal is great. - In 9.1 revival proc mastery, so you can combine with kyrian (weapon of order) or simply use essence font just before to have the double proc of mastery. - Your vivify cleaves on every ally with a renewing mist, helps for AoE healing (but that's pure basic stuff) - It costs less time to hard cast vivify than soothing mist + vivify. Don't use soothing mist if you want to cast only 1 spell - You can break essence font channel during keys, you only want the HOT and the proc of the leggo.
im pretty sure the serpent statue doesnt only last 7 sec, its when you heal with soothing mist, it will also heal your target with soothing mist for 7.3 sec but it doesnt despawn you just recast and it will recast
Yes, the soothing mist the statue casts last for around 7 secs. The statue itself has much higher timer. Can't remember the exact time it despawns but it's multiple minutes.
Something to note: MW is a spec that has very balanced covenants, and can gallantly play all 4 of them. The trifecta being Kyr, NF, and Necro, with Vampybois - although still good - lagging slightly behind. It’s basically Kyrian for healing, NF for damage, and Necro for a flexible middle ground. A reson not to play Night Fae MW though is that it’s a covenant favoured by many dps speccs, and you are in a pushing group of friends that need covenant X, then MW can perform great in whichever covenant that may be. Another quick note is about the Kyrian legendary Call to Arms. Having two Chickens on separate CDs, with WoO at 80 seconds with Mikanikos, and with Jade Bond (somewhat) bugfixed to now let Chi-ji reduce his own cooldown should not be underestimated. While ATotM is amazing, CtA may come to compete with it at higher keys, if your team is, as accurately described, ”Zoo animals” ;) Amazing vid overall! Always awesome to see some MW love
kyrian for healing and dps brother. but i agree all coves are viable for sure! i really wish that venth cd was a 2min instead of 3 :( i want to be venth so bad ha
@@idugga1062 I'm really curious as of how you came to the conclusion that Kyrian, the only covenant whose ability deals absolutely zero damage, is the covenant for damage ^^ As for you playing Venthyr, the venth leggo gives it some insane CDR if you utilize it correctly! Follow your vampire dreams, brother!
@@B1aurgh maybe do a little research my guy. Check out last tree of kyrian from mikanos (definitely misspelled haha) Also not trying to come off as an asshole ! But look at all the top wind walkers who pushed 20+ in mythic plus or raiding. Majority is kyrian
@@idugga1062 Ah yes, I am aware! However, juicy as that final capstone explosion may be on some pulls, it doesn't beat out, let's say Faeline Stomp, which is a whole covenant ability. Oh and you're not coming off as an asshole at all, so don't worry =) I assume you mean Mistweavers* btw. As for the reason there are so many top Mistweavers that are Kyrian, it's simply because there are so MANY Mistweavers that play Kyrian, not to mention that Kyrian is BiS for BrM and WW, so if you multispecc, it's definitely the best choice. As of right now, 63% of all MWs are Kyrian, so of course they're gonna be overrepresented at the top. However, the real question is if there IS any other covenants at the top. For example, top 5 Mistweavers according to Raider io in SL season 1, the top MW was Necrolord, followed by 2 Kyrians, a NF, and then another Kyrian (Not counting a chinese MW since their covenants are hidden on the site).
correct me if I'm wrong but the passive "teachings of the monastery" makes your blackout kick strike an additional time. you can stack that 3 times, effectively making your blackout kick hit 3 times. now when you are running "ancient teachings of the monastery leggo" it makes your next dmg ability heal for 250% of the dmg. Stacking Tiger Palm 3x then using essence font and following with a blackout kick works! heals for a lot more than using rising sun kick and saves so much mana. Why wasn't this mentioned? or am I wrong?
One thing about the Kyrian leggo is that MW is ok with the desync of Chi-ji and WoO. This makes Call to Arms strong because more chi-ji uptime means more damage. Does it overtake AtotM? Its close I think and if you don't like teachings then call to arms is a better leggo than Tear imo
I do ancient teachings of the monastery in raid to be an hps machine. Tear of Morning for dungeons or when feeling lazy. The lack of group defensives makes higher M+ too frustrating. Life Cocoon feels so weak too.
Idk if it's 9.0 or 9.1 I think he might still be in 9.0 but our boi Grom is a muuuuch better player than I am Weird flex, but in 9.1, my ele is 225 and that's pretty low. I wouldn't dream of healing a 15, much less a 20.
Hey Growl, i tried to copy paste your vuhdo setup. I imported the vuhdo profile as well as the two mentioned bouquets tankdefensives and personal defensives. I followed your video explaining how to activate the profile. But unfortunately, i dont see any bars at all. I get several errors from vuhdo telling me that the "Background Bar" and "outer border" are assigned to the not existing bouquets "Border: Multi + aggro" and "background: solid". I dont know how to solf this, could you or someone pls help me? Thanks for your content:)
9:35 "Mastery doesn't do great for healing, but it's really good for damage" Uhhh growl think you might've got that wrong haha Gust of mists is nice for spot heals and doesn't interact with our dps cds but I think you just misspoke :)
He is right - in m+ little of your healing comes from gusts. Mastery helps with damage in chi-ji windows, where if you have weapons of order or a bell chiji can basically do 20k hps with just your dps rotation. So it lets you dps, therefore helping your dps. Even if he made a mistake it’s still true 🤣
I abandoned my Rsham for MW just over half way into Season 1, and I was able to secure top 500 NA of all mistweavers for season 1. They are indeed a slept on spec for monks, and often bring a lot more utility to certain situations I have found, compared to other healers.
how does ancient teachins scale with stats? does it scale with mastery? does it scale with versa twice (for both damage and healing component of versa) ?
I'd like to see how do you play on new raid with this set up. I'm playing mistweaver, and I really don't want to swap on fistweaving - just don't feeling this kind of play atm. I killed yesterday 5 out of 10 bosses with guild on a new raid, did decent hps, was trying different talents combination, and according to my playstyle, and raid bosses mechanics, beeing fistweaver can be challenging and I'm not sure it is worth it.
Looking at rio, it seems like more of the top ranked MWs are running Tear legendary. Is this because they're in raid gear when they were scraped, or is it just more viable in ultra high keys?
The better your group is, the better ATotM becomes. The more your group acts like "zoo animals" the better ToM becomes. While that is a half-joke statement, there is truth to it. ATotM is amazing for healing light to medium damage passively, however the higher the key goes, the more there's a need for active healing, or ToM if you will. For the highest keys, any aoe is likely to be nigh-leathal, and a lot of healing is needed, therefore ToM becomes the better choice. If it's a full premade group however, with everyone using their kicks correctly and moving out of stuff and taking 0 avoidable damage, you can get get away with using ATotM pretty high!
@@themassagechair6785 When the key gets high enough, ATotM just isn't enough healing to save people even from avoidable/passive damage, so Tear is preferred to beef up Vivify's spot healing and your aoe potential
I played all healers in 15 keys except my mist, I didn't have the patience to learn to play it well. I did like ancient teachings though. Played with a mistweaver pug in first key of tormented and he was awesome though, and hardly had to drink at all.
@@seussiii u know that all 3 stacks can heal different targets? :) It is pretty great passive healing. You just need to chose when you need to press blackout kick. On 1-3 stacks.
@@neotlechun6151 yea that’s what I was referring to. Using 1 stack prioritizes HPS and 3 stacks is better for dps. They explain it on the class discord and guides.
@@seussiii I meant that stacks of blackout kick healing with legendary as well, so with 3 stacks you can heal someone to full hp from 50% without any kind of problem (if you are lucky enough :D) You just need to understand where you CAN wait and get 3 stacks - then use and where u cant do this during the fight.
Omg can’t you just get to the damn rotation and the use of the healing spells..?! all that mumbo-jumbo you’re talking in the beginning is going over everybody’s head that hasn’t used or isn’t familiar with Monk heals…! That’s why we are looking for these videos , nobody wants to hear if monk heels are better than paladin or this or that , save that for the end of the video.. every now and then I find a genius on UA-cam who has a five minute long video where all they show is the rotation to use in a dungeon or raid and a brief description how to spells work those are the genius UA-camrs with the best videos
Not a MW main, but both the damage and healing changes they made feel really good. Surprisingly good to be honest. Hadn't had that much fun on the spec since BFA fistweaving with Way of the Crane. Mind you I'm doing it in WW gear for the most part with around 20% vers
I’m considering going Necro for more DPS in 18-20 keys when we start our push. What legendary should I use and is Necro that much more damage than Kyrian? Is it worth the swap for high keys?
I like watching these despite the fact that I am just going to play how I want despite the meta. Night fae because that stomp is amazeballs, and my lego is the touch of death one. Every minute i get an instant kill. Ill probably listen to the rest though. Also what are those addons?!?! One bag? The buttons in the center?
I wouldn't mind having a discussion about Fistweaving healing (my main). I am currently Nightfae to try out some things (Dreamweaver). I ran Sanctum two days ago and killed three bosses so far and, I gotta say, it is really good.
I don't understand how you're getting so much healing with AToM. I tried using it at almost every chance I could on a 15 and it slightly more than 10% of my healing. Maybe I'm trying to use vivify and renewing mist too much, but I have good vers and 235 item, and it does not seem to heal that much overall. I also wonder maybe it's just getting wasted in over heals?
When you keep up essence font + renewing mist, ATotM just allows you to extend those hots more with the rising mist build, hence doing a lot of healing. Naturally being in melee with the fistweaving play style allows you to extend those hots more and thus doing more healing. Using TFT+RSK will help with both damage and healing. It’s not so much the overall healing of the legendary as it is just having more healing uptime and being able to consistently have hots spread throughout the whole group. If someone in your group is taking a lot of damage, you can throw an enveloping on them, with renewing mist and essence font hot to proc your mastery through the roof, they will usually survive. Pair that with rising sun kick to extend the EM as well and the group will be healthy. Typically in M+ the only time you need to spam vivify on a target is going to be caused by a dps issue such as missing interrupts or not using a simple defensive like a wall of some kind. Fistweaving operates in a similar fashion to holy paladin in a way that if the group is taking unnecessary damage, your rotation gets fucked up very quickly.
It's not like this is going to make MW popular, not even if it was OP for one entire tier people would swap. Perception is just too bad plus there's little fanbase for MW
Great video as usual. Your comments about mastery are unclear though. 4:50 mastery is good for healing but doesn't help your damage 9:35 mastery doesn't do great for healing but it's really good for damage
@@xadionwc3 I shy away from mastery because it doesn't contribute to damage, but it helps healing a whole lot more than you said. In your normal rotation, you'll have two procs every renewing mist. And Chi-Ji healing is based on mastery as well, so big mastery makes Chi-Ji bigger. If you keep essence font up (as every fist weaver should), then a soothing mist into expel harm gives you four mastery procs with one button. Mastery is pretty massive for healing if you play into it.
I'm a simple man, I see MW I click on video. Amazing video as always Growl, been waiting on this video since you showed us the thumbnail on the stream hahaha. I'll try MW this patch, I've missed playing with my green boi Keep it up! and gratz on the all timed 20 on all healers, that was very pog to watch!!
I think venthyr is still fine, growl even mentions that covenant ability isn't all that impactful for any of them, which lines up with what monk discord and various guides state. Also with the new catchup, switching covenants is insanely easy at the moment.
@@troyfrankiewicz6577 Kyrian leggo gives Chi Ji a 30% uptime, assuming no breaks between pulls. If you include running from pack to pack it's closer to 35-40. I fully respect Growl but a ton of Ancient Teachings healing is overhealing, while Chi Ji lets you target the people who are actually at risk of dying.
Mistweaver as an inexperienced player is mana inefficient. You need to play them smarter 😂 *Me who was burning through mana just insta casting and not thinking about stacks and cooldowns or rotations*
@@kh0nan TP is what gives teachings of the monastery stacks (each tp adds an additional kick to your bok + higher chance to reset rsk). Using bok after tp spends your stacks. Usually you just do one tp then bok, but if you need more healing atotm you can do 2 or 3.
@@Cerfpve PeakOfserenity the monk community :) www.peakofserenity.com/sl/mistweaver/pve-guide/advanced-legendaries/ and to be fair even wowhead tells to take Teaching for raid
@@Cerfpve I'm looking at Peakofserenity right now, the official monk class website linked to the official monk discord with the same name, where all the guide writers for icy-veins, wowhead, etc. originates from (Dhaubbs, Anomoly, and so on). It clearly states that for raiding, it's ATotM > YW > CtA > ID > ToM. It even states ATotM to be "Very good", and ToM to be "Very subpar" for raiding. All of this is, ofc, assuming you're Fistweaving, since without that ATotM has no value whatsoever. That said, as commented by Anomoly, the MW guide writer for Wowhead, and Peak discord mod: Being a Mistweaver refusing to be in melee is like being a Discipline priest who don't want to heal with Atonement
@@Cerfpve And that is only if you don't look up the top logs yourself. For fun, I decided to do that just now, and out of all the 100 logs (Top 10 for each fight) in Mythic Nathria, there was a total of 3 people who used ToM, whereas 53 logs used ATotM. Quantity doesn't always mean quality, but if over half of the top logs are using a certain leggo, that you call "useless", and only 3% use the leggo that you prefer, then you might be biased :P
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The bis race is actually night elf so you can shadow meld into drink in between pulls when the tank is doing bear pulls.
its actually good for melding in the attemp of hiding the shame of playing this undertuned class too
What about my dear undead? Cannibalize corpses and get mana while in combat :v
For horde undead is pretty good also for Canniablize.
As a Fistweaver I am almost always full mana and I do massive over healing. Really good for longevity fights. I can top the healing meter against far better geared classes and not use nearly the resources. It feels very OP. The big down side is a lack of oh shit healing when the group/raid is taking big hits at once.
For new MW looking at this don't forget :
- Chiji (and yu'lon) spread a HOT when you cast envelopping mist called envlopping breath. This is the green icon you see on Growl UI when he uses the bird. It spread on 6 people but with a small range, the heal is great.
- In 9.1 revival proc mastery, so you can combine with kyrian (weapon of order) or simply use essence font just before to have the double proc of mastery.
- Your vivify cleaves on every ally with a renewing mist, helps for AoE healing (but that's pure basic stuff)
- It costs less time to hard cast vivify than soothing mist + vivify. Don't use soothing mist if you want to cast only 1 spell
- You can break essence font channel during keys, you only want the HOT and the proc of the leggo.
im pretty sure the serpent statue doesnt only last 7 sec, its when you heal with soothing mist, it will also heal your target with soothing mist for 7.3 sec but it doesnt despawn you just recast and it will recast
Yes, the soothing mist the statue casts last for around 7 secs. The statue itself has much higher timer. Can't remember the exact time it despawns but it's multiple minutes.
Something to note: MW is a spec that has very balanced covenants, and can gallantly play all 4 of them. The trifecta being Kyr, NF, and Necro, with Vampybois - although still good - lagging slightly behind. It’s basically Kyrian for healing, NF for damage, and Necro for a flexible middle ground. A reson not to play Night Fae MW though is that it’s a covenant favoured by many dps speccs, and you are in a pushing group of friends that need covenant X, then MW can perform great in whichever covenant that may be.
Another quick note is about the Kyrian legendary Call to Arms. Having two Chickens on separate CDs, with WoO at 80 seconds with Mikanikos, and with Jade Bond (somewhat) bugfixed to now let Chi-ji reduce his own cooldown should not be underestimated. While ATotM is amazing, CtA may come to compete with it at higher keys, if your team is, as accurately described, ”Zoo animals” ;)
Amazing vid overall! Always awesome to see some MW love
kyrian for healing and dps brother. but i agree all coves are viable for sure! i really wish that venth cd was a 2min instead of 3 :( i want to be venth so bad ha
@@idugga1062 I'm really curious as of how you came to the conclusion that Kyrian, the only covenant whose ability deals absolutely zero damage, is the covenant for damage ^^
As for you playing Venthyr, the venth leggo gives it some insane CDR if you utilize it correctly! Follow your vampire dreams, brother!
@@B1aurgh maybe do a little research my guy. Check out last tree of kyrian from mikanos (definitely misspelled haha)
Also not trying to come off as an asshole ! But look at all the top wind walkers who pushed 20+ in mythic plus or raiding. Majority is kyrian
@@idugga1062 Ah yes, I am aware! However, juicy as that final capstone explosion may be on some pulls, it doesn't beat out, let's say Faeline Stomp, which is a whole covenant ability.
Oh and you're not coming off as an asshole at all, so don't worry =) I assume you mean Mistweavers* btw.
As for the reason there are so many top Mistweavers that are Kyrian, it's simply because there are so MANY Mistweavers that play Kyrian, not to mention that Kyrian is BiS for BrM and WW, so if you multispecc, it's definitely the best choice.
As of right now, 63% of all MWs are Kyrian, so of course they're gonna be overrepresented at the top. However, the real question is if there IS any other covenants at the top. For example, top 5 Mistweavers according to Raider io in SL season 1, the top MW was Necrolord, followed by 2 Kyrians, a NF, and then another Kyrian (Not counting a chinese MW since their covenants are hidden on the site).
Rotation starts at 14:34
What about Venthyr? Seen many MW monks changing now.
If all you do is heal you should definitely play venth. But if you off spec often then kyrian is still the go to.
Is necrolord any good?
The great thing about your videos is that you add comedy into them and it makes it so much more enjoyable keep up the content!
correct me if I'm wrong but the passive "teachings of the monastery" makes your blackout kick strike an additional time. you can stack that 3 times, effectively making your blackout kick hit 3 times. now when you are running "ancient teachings of the monastery leggo" it makes your next dmg ability heal for 250% of the dmg. Stacking Tiger Palm 3x then using essence font and following with a blackout kick works! heals for a lot more than using rising sun kick and saves so much mana. Why wasn't this mentioned? or am I wrong?
One thing about the Kyrian leggo is that MW is ok with the desync of Chi-ji and WoO. This makes Call to Arms strong because more chi-ji uptime means more damage. Does it overtake AtotM? Its close I think and if you don't like teachings then call to arms is a better leggo than Tear imo
I do ancient teachings of the monastery in raid to be an hps machine. Tear of Morning for dungeons or when feeling lazy. The lack of group defensives makes higher M+ too frustrating. Life Cocoon feels so weak too.
download his profile for vuhdo but none of the icons come up like his, is the code broken ?
“The gear isn’t that good” casually pulls out 222 I lvl :/
Idk if it's 9.0 or 9.1
I think he might still be in 9.0 but our boi Grom is a muuuuch better player than I am
Weird flex, but in 9.1, my ele is 225 and that's pretty low. I wouldn't dream of healing a 15, much less a 20.
Hey Growl,
i tried to copy paste your vuhdo setup. I imported the vuhdo profile as well as the two mentioned bouquets tankdefensives and personal defensives.
I followed your video explaining how to activate the profile.
But unfortunately, i dont see any bars at all. I get several errors from vuhdo telling me that the "Background Bar" and "outer border" are assigned to the not existing bouquets "Border: Multi + aggro" and "background: solid".
I dont know how to solf this, could you or someone pls help me?
Thanks for your content:)
3 stacks on ChiJi is overkill. You can cast EP really fast with 2 stacks and a bit of mana. Istacasting EP takes GCD anyway.
9:35 "Mastery doesn't do great for healing, but it's really good for damage" Uhhh growl think you might've got that wrong haha Gust of mists is nice for spot heals and doesn't interact with our dps cds but I think you just misspoke :)
He is right - in m+ little of your healing comes from gusts. Mastery helps with damage in chi-ji windows, where if you have weapons of order or a bell chiji can basically do 20k hps with just your dps rotation. So it lets you dps, therefore helping your dps. Even if he made a mistake it’s still true 🤣
@@pozeraczmuch mastery is probably BiS for healing in M+, due to the nature of triage healing
I abandoned my Rsham for MW just over half way into Season 1, and I was able to secure top 500 NA of all mistweavers for season 1. They are indeed a slept on spec for monks, and often bring a lot more utility to certain situations I have found, compared to other healers.
What ui addon do you have set up?
Thanks, really useful vid. I just rolled an MW as my first monk - great fun so far, looking forward to getting it up to M+.
how does ancient teachins scale with stats? does it scale with mastery? does it scale with versa twice (for both damage and healing component of versa) ?
Hello Growl, this is friend, druid when?
next!
@@yumytv he he boi
@@yumytv 😊
I'd like to see how do you play on new raid with this set up.
I'm playing mistweaver, and I really don't want to swap on fistweaving - just don't feeling this kind of play atm.
I killed yesterday 5 out of 10 bosses with guild on a new raid, did decent hps, was trying different talents combination, and according to my playstyle, and raid bosses mechanics, beeing fistweaver can be challenging and I'm not sure it is worth it.
The Dizzying Tumble finesse conduit is really strong. It's got a lot of defensive value.
its still has something to play monk heal in mm + because nobody takes them at high level?
Can i copy that weakaurs interface?
Was waiting for this - thanks! :D
Looking at rio, it seems like more of the top ranked MWs are running Tear legendary. Is this because they're in raid gear when they were scraped, or is it just more viable in ultra high keys?
The better your group is, the better ATotM becomes. The more your group acts like "zoo animals" the better ToM becomes.
While that is a half-joke statement, there is truth to it. ATotM is amazing for healing light to medium damage passively, however the higher the key goes, the more there's a need for active healing, or ToM if you will. For the highest keys, any aoe is likely to be nigh-leathal, and a lot of healing is needed, therefore ToM becomes the better choice.
If it's a full premade group however, with everyone using their kicks correctly and moving out of stuff and taking 0 avoidable damage, you can get get away with using ATotM pretty high!
Thanks mate. I think I can pretty much conclude that the two are both competitive and going by fun is actually valid for once. ATotM it is.
@@themassagechair6785 When the key gets high enough, ATotM just isn't enough healing to save people even from avoidable/passive damage, so Tear is preferred to beef up Vivify's spot healing and your aoe potential
Chiji seems really complicated.... I'll have to test it out
I don't even play monk but your voice is so relaxing to listen to
so true! lol
Is this good for raids too?
I played all healers in 15 keys except my mist, I didn't have the patience to learn to play it well. I did like ancient teachings though. Played with a mistweaver pug in first key of tormented and he was awesome though, and hardly had to drink at all.
Literally an hour ago I spent all my soul ash and money on creating the Morning Tear lego because I read that is the good one. God dammit.
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It’s still good, just boring.
Been looking for a new healer to play. Only done holy priest so far in m+.
Sort of missed the damage rotation there, so just one stack of teachings then proc black out kick or 3(full) stacks? :)
1 stack then BO kick for HPS, 3 stacks for DPS
@@seussiii u know that all 3 stacks can heal different targets? :) It is pretty great passive healing. You just need to chose when you need to press blackout kick. On 1-3 stacks.
@@neotlechun6151 yea that’s what I was referring to. Using 1 stack prioritizes HPS and 3 stacks is better for dps. They explain it on the class discord and guides.
@@seussiii I meant that stacks of blackout kick healing with legendary as well, so with 3 stacks you can heal someone to full hp from 50% without any kind of problem (if you are lucky enough :D) You just need to understand where you CAN wait and get 3 stacks - then use and where u cant do this during the fight.
Hey yummy thanks for this amazing guide. In how many +targets i should spam spinning crane kick instead of fistweaving?
3+ targets. Remember however that SCK doesn't give any ATotM healing!
@@B1aurgh but you can spam it with chi-ji, it feels insanely good on big pulls (like first of DoS or HoA)
So we aren’t supposed to get the triple blackout kick into the Rotation?
If your RSK is 4 seconds or less cooldown then build stacks but otherwise just use blackout kick when its available.
@@yumytv ok, thanks. I’m assuming that applies to raid healing as well?
Bro I almost choked when you had that zoo animal comment. Great vid 👍🏼
Hello Growl, this is friend! Does the bear stream?
Omg can’t you just get to the damn rotation and the use of the healing spells..?! all that mumbo-jumbo you’re talking in the beginning is going over everybody’s head that hasn’t used or isn’t familiar with Monk heals…! That’s why we are looking for these videos , nobody wants to hear if monk heels are better than paladin or this or that , save that for the end of the video.. every now and then I find a genius on UA-cam who has a five minute long video where all they show is the rotation to use in a dungeon or raid and a brief description how to spells work those are the genius UA-camrs with the best videos
What about Raid?
Thanks! Looking forward to the resto shaman guide! :)
Not a MW main, but both the damage and healing changes they made feel really good. Surprisingly good to be honest. Hadn't had that much fun on the spec since BFA fistweaving with Way of the Crane. Mind you I'm doing it in WW gear for the most part with around 20% vers
Poggers dude! I was really looking forward to playing some MW in fun keys!
I’m considering going Necro for more DPS in 18-20 keys when we start our push. What legendary should I use and is Necro that much more damage than Kyrian? Is it worth the swap for high keys?
Ancient teachings feels great to me with bone dust brew. I’ve only pushed 16-17 tho. So idk how it would be up around 20
I like watching these despite the fact that I am just going to play how I want despite the meta. Night fae because that stomp is amazeballs, and my lego is the touch of death one. Every minute i get an instant kill. Ill probably listen to the rest though. Also what are those addons?!?! One bag? The buttons in the center?
I wouldn't mind having a discussion about Fistweaving healing (my main).
I am currently Nightfae to try out some things (Dreamweaver). I ran Sanctum two days ago and killed three bosses so far and, I gotta say, it is really good.
As for mana, I do not go OOM as fast with "Spirit of the crane". I choose either that or Mana Tea depending on situation.
Panda racial Deadly Calm also as an extra interrupt
I don't understand how you're getting so much healing with AToM. I tried using it at almost every chance I could on a 15 and it slightly more than 10% of my healing. Maybe I'm trying to use vivify and renewing mist too much, but I have good vers and 235 item, and it does not seem to heal that much overall. I also wonder maybe it's just getting wasted in over heals?
Are you sure you use essence font regularly to keep up the buff of atotm? It only heals if you have the buff from casting essence font.
When you keep up essence font + renewing mist, ATotM just allows you to extend those hots more with the rising mist build, hence doing a lot of healing. Naturally being in melee with the fistweaving play style allows you to extend those hots more and thus doing more healing. Using TFT+RSK will help with both damage and healing. It’s not so much the overall healing of the legendary as it is just having more healing uptime and being able to consistently have hots spread throughout the whole group. If someone in your group is taking a lot of damage, you can throw an enveloping on them, with renewing mist and essence font hot to proc your mastery through the roof, they will usually survive. Pair that with rising sun kick to extend the EM as well and the group will be healthy. Typically in M+ the only time you need to spam vivify on a target is going to be caused by a dps issue such as missing interrupts or not using a simple defensive like a wall of some kind. Fistweaving operates in a similar fashion to holy paladin in a way that if the group is taking unnecessary damage, your rotation gets fucked up very quickly.
Is this the part where everyone says, oh ive played MW this whole time and ive never doubted it once. so underrated.
lol right
MW is love, MW is life ;)
It's not like this is going to make MW popular, not even if it was OP for one entire tier people would swap. Perception is just too bad plus there's little fanbase for MW
Great video as usual. Your comments about mastery are unclear though.
4:50 mastery is good for healing but doesn't help your damage
9:35 mastery doesn't do great for healing but it's really good for damage
im guessing he misspoke. mastery is great for healing, which means that kyrian pelagos mastery buff is a great defensive option as he said..
He misspoke the second time. Mastery juices your healing as Mistweaver. Doesn't influence damage.
@@xadionwc3 I shy away from mastery because it doesn't contribute to damage, but it helps healing a whole lot more than you said. In your normal rotation, you'll have two procs every renewing mist. And Chi-Ji healing is based on mastery as well, so big mastery makes Chi-Ji bigger. If you keep essence font up (as every fist weaver should), then a soothing mist into expel harm gives you four mastery procs with one button. Mastery is pretty massive for healing if you play into it.
he meant it's good for healing and does nothing for dmg
My brain cannot parse non-Pandaren Monks. Like I just stop seein' em. Why is that nameplate floating over nothing? We'll never know.
#YEAROFTHECRANE LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
I'm a simple man, I see MW I click on video.
Amazing video as always Growl, been waiting on this video since you showed us the thumbnail on the stream hahaha. I'll try MW this patch, I've missed playing with my green boi
Keep it up! and gratz on the all timed 20 on all healers, that was very pog to watch!!
Pour one out for everyone who got swept up in the PTR hype and rolled a Venthweaver to renown 40.
did they get nerfed?
I think venthyr is still fine, growl even mentions that covenant ability isn't all that impactful for any of them, which lines up with what monk discord and various guides state. Also with the new catchup, switching covenants is insanely easy at the moment.
@@troyfrankiewicz6577 Kyrian leggo gives Chi Ji a 30% uptime, assuming no breaks between pulls. If you include running from pack to pack it's closer to 35-40. I fully respect Growl but a ton of Ancient Teachings healing is overhealing, while Chi Ji lets you target the people who are actually at risk of dying.
@@penqu1ns That's a fair take. I think it's mostly personal preference and that the difference in covenants is pretty minimal.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MW
Good video, Helped me not pick monk, Im more of a classic healers heal and dps dps :P il have to check out another healer, Awesome video though :D
Let's f.cking go ! MW content :pog:
Mistweaver as an inexperienced player is mana inefficient. You need to play them smarter 😂
*Me who was burning through mana just insta casting and not thinking about stacks and cooldowns or rotations*
The rotation should be rsk-> tp -> bok , not rsk -> bok -> tp.
Why this order?
@@kh0nan TP is what gives teachings of the monastery stacks (each tp adds an additional kick to your bok + higher chance to reset rsk). Using bok after tp spends your stacks. Usually you just do one tp then bok, but if you need more healing atotm you can do 2 or 3.
RING OF PEACE GOD UTILITY PLEASE USE IT
Hello Growl this is friend 😔
noice
One correction, we ARE best healer! The rest of them bros really just there to hype us up 🤷🏽♂️🔥💜
I prefer Tear legendary as it's more flexible if you also raid. Teachings is useless for it.
Teachings is bis for raiding though (Unless you for some reason absolutely refuse to Fistweave ofc)
@@B1aurgh Not according to any guide ever.
@@Cerfpve PeakOfserenity the monk community :)
www.peakofserenity.com/sl/mistweaver/pve-guide/advanced-legendaries/
and to be fair even wowhead tells to take Teaching for raid
@@Cerfpve I'm looking at Peakofserenity right now, the official monk class website linked to the official monk discord with the same name, where all the guide writers for icy-veins, wowhead, etc. originates from (Dhaubbs, Anomoly, and so on). It clearly states that for raiding, it's ATotM > YW > CtA > ID > ToM.
It even states ATotM to be "Very good", and ToM to be "Very subpar" for raiding.
All of this is, ofc, assuming you're Fistweaving, since without that ATotM has no value whatsoever. That said, as commented by Anomoly, the MW guide writer for Wowhead, and Peak discord mod: Being a Mistweaver refusing to be in melee is like being a Discipline priest who don't want to heal with Atonement
@@Cerfpve And that is only if you don't look up the top logs yourself. For fun, I decided to do that just now, and out of all the 100 logs (Top 10 for each fight) in Mythic Nathria, there was a total of 3 people who used ToM, whereas 53 logs used ATotM. Quantity doesn't always mean quality, but if over half of the top logs are using a certain leggo, that you call "useless", and only 3% use the leggo that you prefer, then you might be biased :P
something stupid!
imagine making a mistweaver guide and you don't even know what your talking about