This is a problem for ANY dungeon regardless of difficulty but I see it mostly in low level dungeons while leveling. If things are good no one talks no one learns and it's over but if mistakes happen it's blame game central and rawrs all around.
Good tips overall. One I'd add, more for dps, is practice your rotation on training dummies until you can do your rotation nearly perfect with your eyes closed. The less attention you have to pay to your basic rotation, the easier it is to do mechanics, get interrupts, pull saving CC, etc. The #1 problem I see when I do keys with newer/lower IO players is they spend way too much of their focus just doing dps.
great optimistic video. I really wanted to work into M+ healing BFA. really wanted to, but running with guildies that wanted to go higher than i was yet comfortable, then a series of bad pug experiences, and I collapsed back into my hesitation, then bailed. i realize i need to have much thicker skin and all, but its a challenge. folks can be so harsh, but really, its on me to find ways to suck it up, and work through that.
Nearly 6k myself so I'll allow myself to add in just one more thing: DO. NOT. GET. ANGRY. This is a bit of a meme in gaming but it's honestly so true for M+. Don't let yourself get tilted. Don't rage. Don't unleash on your party or friends. Bitching and blaming doesn't help. Try your best but stay chilled.
Completely agree. Successful groups learn from mistakes and grow together (try hards who focus on fun). People never progress when they expect perfection; their own toxicity prevents them from achieving the greatness they crave. Building a successful M+ team is a lot like running a business. Being a dictator benefits no one.
Also includes "don't get angry at yourself". I still didn't overcome it completely. When I make a mistake I just get angry at myself and it just leads to more mistakes...
I dont care about people making fun of my skill.. Just wanted to thank Growl for his videos. It is not easy starting from 0 with only pugs and getting rIO to the level where you are accepted in +15. Anyway cheers guys for standing up for me :)
8:05 not only can you afford more mistakes, but if your group does 20% more damage, that's 20% less time your tank and healer have to mitigate incoming damage
Just came back to WoW after a long absence and Jesus what a mess the game is in. Tanks having to run from trash packs? Getting turned down for runs because of a score on a website even though I'm geared? The insane amount of daily and weekly garbage I have to do just to keep up? And the toxicity has gone off the bloody charts. The game has gone downhill in a major way. I play games to relax and have a good time, not to try and beat a timer and get yelled at constantly. I tank because I want to be the guy going toe to toe with the big ass monster, not so I can run for my life from trash mobs. And for the love of god just because something takes forever doesn't mean its fun. Torghast is torture, I'm in no danger at all but it takes hours to finish.
i've played this game for 14 years with many long breaks and i would like to make a point if u dont mind. It is really importand to stick with a class and master it no matter if u do pve or pvp. you can play and enjoy alts ofcourse, but you should focus on one thing for a very specific reason i found out after many years. while i was doing mythic raid progress as an MM hunter back to legion i found out that after a point i was not looking at my buttons anymore just some glims at glowing procs. the thing is it was not that i did not care about damage as you may think, i became so accurate with any possible combat scenario that i memorized all cooldowns and possible rotations, so all i had to focus was on awareness and mechanics. this was extremely importand for such an imobile spec back then, in order to maximize perfomance and stay alive. Imagine being a healer and trying to look both at cooldowns, healthbars and suroundings. if u are not familiar with the spec/class you are bound to make mistakes and is completely normal because you try to do 3 things at the same time or in fairly short time between them. So a good UI,COMFORTABLE key bindings for Every spell and good knowledge of what you play will transform you as a player. If u struggle with all these dont worry just take your time learn and enjoy.but dont expect this to happen anyime soon if u play monday warrior, tuesday priest etc, if u are on a learning curve.. Please dont misunderstand me i dont try flex here, i just want to say that knowledge experience and practice are the keys in order to enjoy wow at its fullest. I am always happy to see newer players evolve so fast and become great.
A great number of us have been playing since 2005 and evolved with the game. It’s a time investment. If you want high io, you have to sacrifice time and money. I love my guild. We have pushed keys and I’ve gotten in good pug groups too. I just don’t have all day to play like when I was 16. Thanks for helping the new guys out.
On a point of "every point of damage matters"; an easier way to explain it is if you have 20% more damage, you spend 20% less time damaging mobs, which means you have 20% more time doing other stuff. Like running, or giving you 20% more time to finish a key that another group doesn't.
Excellent content! I subbed just because of the ‘bench’ comments. I’ve never heard that mentioned before and I’ve seen it negatively impact MANY players (even myself) over the years. It shows an empathy towards others that isn’t shown as often as it should. I haven’t done a single Mythic Shadowlands dungeon yet, but that is mainly because I just came back to the game. I’ve just returned to the game after the longest break since WoW started. (I quit literally a few days before BFA launch even though I had pre purchased the expansion). I had alpha and beta access to BFA and I guess all those changes allowed me to see “behind the curtain” if you will. Come to think of it, it’s the longest break I have taken since I started playing MMOs back in May 2000 with EQ. Yeah, yeah I know, OG... “If OG stood for Old Gamer.” 😂
Good stuff. I'm geared to the point that heroic's are no challenge at all and was thinking about trying some Mythics. Gotta work on my gear a little more but your content was right on point for what I needed. Thanks.
This is one of the best videos ever. Right up there with Preach's series in legion for the various roles. I just jumped into healing for the first time midway through 8.3 and I'm loving it but until this week was always anxious. I watch your videos over and over to gain insight into the way to think through a dungeon. I appreciate the hard work and love the videos and knowledge you've gained during your time.
Get better in M+? I just want TO DO an M+. I request to join groups, I'm either denied right away or I sit there until the group is delisted. I start my own group and I get nada. I've tried on my favorite 3 class/specs: Ret Pally, Frost DK and Destro Lock. And we're talking about M+3 or M+5, not M+15. It seems there's way too much elitism when it comes to mythics and if you don't have your own group you run with regularly or have the perfect class/spec/achievements you're going to get snubbed. I've been playing since TBC and back then I was into every aspect of the game. We raided every week, but we also ran speed clears of heroic dungeons against our own guild. It was super competitive and fun and we always wished Blizz would make a harder mode of dungeons but that didn't come until way after my guild fell apart and everyone moved on with their lives. In MoP when the transmog sets were introduced for Gold clears, I tried so damn hard to get a group to run them with, but it was like pulling teeth. It seemed like all I did when I had time to play was try to get into mythics. Now I've stopped giving a shit, but Blizz seems to be putting more and more effort into making M+ be a parallel path to getting the best gear if you don't want to raid. I'm all for it, but damn these people are bad about judging books by their cover.
I’d really suggest looking for a stable guild and making friends with people to push with. The game is filled with people like you, but it takes some effort to connect with people. Hang in there man.
@@Rob-pb7lm Yeah I've joined quite a few guilds over the years. Most like to act like they're pushing world's first or something. I just want some chill people that don't mind if things go sideways every now and then.
@@Wackyorb I shoot for low, 1-4 since I've literally never ran one. I know there's a certain way they're done so I want to learn from the ground up and my ilvl is 450-460 er was. Between the 3 toons I try on mainly.
I began playing on Feb 14th 2021 and i love the game in every way. Last season i hit keymaster with my dps pali but i really dont like dps classes. I want to tank! Thank you for the advice, is been a bit intimidating but i know i can tank. Nice video and thank you again cheers
"do keys even when it's not an upgrade". As someone who went through the WHOLE of BFA only plugging (being a tank class really helped, even if non meta class) this is really important. While Im almost traumatised with the amount of crap I took from random ppl, it's also how, by the end of 8.3, I've met a really fun and good team who had just lost their usual tank and were looking for another one. It wasn't a key upgrade for me (but also not a trivial key for my ability), but I went because I liked the dungeon. It went so smooth that I took the then empty spot. So, yeah, puggers of the world: for every thousand of disaster runs, there's always that good one 😁
Speaking about it from the skill angle, in the beginning I kept running M2-4 dungeons just to learn the dungeons, my abilities, improve keybinds, etc and then I could just jump to M 7-9 (as a healer) with no issues. Doing the low runs wasn't a visible upgrade, but still quite useful. Oh, and I also got into a nice WoW discord group for helping out a returning player on low M+ :)
@@Evija3000 thats why i dont understand why they now release raid finder after the raid itself is open...raid finder was a learning curve it should start at the lowest level the move up the way it is now is stupid ....you get people in groups that dont even know the fights....i learned through raid finder im not some hardcore wow nerd who reads books on fights and studies the sheit....raid finder was my learning tool
Bench time is also important time because it can give others an opportunity to grow that they might not have had if you never sat out. Its extremely important to Mythic raiding to cycle more than just 20 players.
Yo, I know this video is old, but thanks to you and a few other people I think I'm finally going to face my fear of screwing up and making people mad and try to get keystone master/raid. Thanks for the guide!
Great tips man this is my first xpac doing mythic+ I started WoW during legion have not done 10’s yet got 8’s and 9’s plan to step it up soon I started on 2’s and moved up slowly on every dungeon
One thing I wish someone would do is make "bullet time" videos of encounters with voice over explaining what is happening. Meaning that sometimes the video would slow down or pause for additional explanation. Some can absorb those fast high level videos but for me, I need the explanation stretched out.
I think your UA-cam channel is a treasure for healers. Could you provide a healer level up perspective on Shadowlands? Is it possible to solo as a healer?
100% would not do M+ if gear rewards didn't rival raid progression. The system creates toxic twats and hosts an environment that creates degenerate behavior and gameplay. Rush rush rush, next.
Would love to see some dungeon guides for SL that not only goes over boss mechanic but looks at noteworthy trash packs and how affixes might interact with them . Cheers for the great content, only found you recently but i actively keep an eye out for your videos.
I agree that you shouldnt be able to just push a button to get into mythics, but it would be nice if you could just list yourself. Make it similar to the way a team is listed but instead you add yourself to a list that someone putting a team together can search through. I want to do mythics put its a huge pain in the arse getting on a team, especially in the morning when I am usually available to play.
Hazelnuttygames makes short and sweet (3-4 mins) mythic dungeon guides and it's been an invaluable tool. Having a general idea of what the mechanics are is..key.
Still no idea how to get past those pesty mobs between bosses. I find rogue hardest class to play becouse keeping eye on combo points and total visio of fight is pretty impossible... Someone Will loose
"Record yourself" is the greatest advice ever You may also add "Record AND watch everything". Not just the biggest pull where you did sick DPS and because of that want to relive the moment. Even routine and somewhat "unremarkable" parts of a run may offer great many insights for improvement once watched back. When you're doing a key and you're in the moment tunnel vision is real thing. It's astonishing how one may straight up not see a really important thing going on right in front of one's nose. Watching recordings certainly helps to not miss it the next time
@Chris Dean exactly, it's a game, it's fun, and improving is fun so why not take this advice for what it is : a way to improve yourself if you want to ? You don't have to but that's a great way to learn from your mistakes. If you feel it becoming a job more than a hobby then take a step back and keep playing the way you like .
@Chris Dean You're basically being annoyed about an instructional video giving people... instructions. Growl's video and my comment were intended for people who seek this kind of information
This video is very helpful. I’m going to start M+ in shadowlands as a tank, hoping to go with my guild. I’ll keep this advice in mind and play around with Paladin builds
It is impossible to gain io score. No one will take you to do a key you have not done before. The api to extract these data should never have been enabled.
2 years later and these tips were still super useful to me as a new healer! I hit 1800 last night and it’s been a blast. Explosives is rough for me this week
Now this is a good video. Subscribed just based on this, thank you very much. Question... What is your nameplate addon and your party UI frames? Thanks and I'm going to binge a bunch of your videos tomorrow!
Great list.. You can apply this list to just about every game! Infact, I use this advice when I used to play league. I went from silver to high diamond for it!
trying hard to learn tank, just started a week or so into shadowlands for first time in forever. first time actually pushing content with a focused mind i think too. thanks man.
Dude you are helping me a lot with your videos. Please keep em coming. I started a Druid 2 weeks ago and you already got me to speed for Shadowlands. I'm doing low keys with ease and getting the feel for weaving into cat and bear form. Many thanks
Great info. Love the advice. I am going to say the next part as you are probably ear blind to it. It makes me laugh every time you say 'is is'. There are about 3 of them but 12:04 is the last one I heard.
The best thing about mythic plus is that if I get kicked, I know a new person can’t enter the dungeon so everyone else can’t finish with just 4 people anyways so we sort of all got kicked.
I just got back into WoW and woooow. I'm guessing healers complained that they are bored in raids and dungeons??!! Apparently Blizzard scrapped the threat mechanic and crowd control and turned Wow into speed runs that just throws damage around the screen to have the healer keying faster than mozart. Be careful what you wish for healers. Personally not a fan of the new speed raids/dungeons. Seems less like an mmo and more like an arcade now.
I can understand healers making mistakes, it is not easy keeping track of HPs and doing mechanics. But for DPS that gets hit by avoidable stuff over and over again, there is something wrong.
Started m+ today. Did +5 last and met an awesome healer fella. Excited for the times to come for me in WoW. How is it fair some dps classes do 10-30% more damage on average than others? Seems super weird and unbalanced??
This video is awesome, I've been scared to even try mythic+ but i feel better to give it a chance. Also i need to know, what ui are you using right under your character? It looks awesome
Totally agree, i do keys for fun in pug runs all the time, and sometimes u land that fun as fk run that sticks with ya memory. Those runs can be both smooth runs and failed runs, the important part is having the patience with the nutjobs and being excited to find the fun people :). I can do some of the "hardest" content in the game, but that should not sway away from doing lesser content to meet new people. Coz the game is really not fun playing alone, it's an mmorpg after all and Fun is what its all about when you crunch it down. Also do not judge players for their mistakes, everyone does them and it is how u improve the fastest and push your limits. Everyone has a different learning curve, accept that fact. Approach people with kindness even in times of failure and u will most likely meet someone that just had a bad run/ day, and usually play better. In the pug world, give people the benefit of the doubt .
Hm, you know... I was thinking about doing m+ (have never touched it ever). As helpful as your video is, I feel confirmed that it's not for me. Too close to just diablo 3 never-ending-speedruns. But thanks for the video anyways.
Yeahhh thats gonna be a hard pass for me on the last point. Always think through why are you on the bench instead of the other guy. Why did they pick timmy instead of you. Every key done without you on it means that group is slowly and steadily getting used to play with each other while you are pushed away from the main key pushing group, specially if you are being benched by a different class.
Hi! I liked what you said about the damage and how it all matters. As a resto shaman, I feel as if I could be doing more damage but Im not certain how to approach it. Usually, I try to keep flame shock, lava burst, and chain lightning in the rotation as much possible. Any tips? Is there a significant difference in the potential damage output from different healer specs? Say, holy paladin vs resto shaman?
Please Growl I BEG you: we need a new bench in Oribos soon! We are all waiting for you to show us the new spot! You definitely should make a youtube video about it. Oribos benches ranked!! That would be epic!
Love the vid Yumytv! I posted it in my guild's mythic+ guide channel :) I could see also added something like: 1) Don't join a 10+ key if you are not familiar with the dungeons base mechanics (interrupt, spell steal, heal, tank tactics etc.), leading to a second point: 2) every member is equally important, I find when you have one weak link in the team then it almost always fails. That said, aiming again on mechanics mostly. It ruins the run for those who did do the prep work (practise, reading up etc.) if you join and don't have a clue. Well would be curious what your thoughts are on those points. Ace UI btw!
"If you dont know if you should release, just ask." This is the worst advice to give giving the level of toxicity in the game. When they know that you dont know if/when to release (aka basic knowledge), its highly likely that the group will disband or you get kicked. Everyone should be nice, but with every expansion the amount of toxicity is increasing to the point that it almost becomes impossible to do M+ with pugs
Very good video. Very educational. Thank you for taking the time to make this. It sure helped a lot. As a tank player, myself, having to take the second part of BFA off for business reasons, coming back to the game felt a bit overwhelming. It's videos and content like this that I like consuming to catch up to speed and also recommend to the people I start playing with to get them up to speed and see who is serious and who is not.
So in your "damage matters" section you emphasize on the meta. I intend to play demo lock in SL but I realize that its not the "meta", will I still be able to do well and accomplish lets say +15s for the season achievement?
Any spec can do achievement-level keys if your skill is high enough and you can find a group. Specs only become actually unplayable at the highest level of key +/- 3 levels
1 Thing I would have loved to know was that there is Gatekeeping in WoW. Looking at a number to "see" how good/bad a player is. I'm a casual player and most times there are players with higher IO points who are not "better". Most times you don't get invited because your points are too low.
Think you misspoke, Blizzard does indeed have a M+ point tracking and E-peen system. There is a whole sub-culture behind it too. Blizzard has sections of its entire linterface dedicated to it. Achievements, rewards, prestige, Tier Armor variations, even early on Tier gear for KSM.. Do be dismissive of points and the content that matters to the individual is a big oversight. Thats like joining a lets say a 23+ key and the person listing it has a rating of 1600. It absolutely matters and is a good indicator of 5 ability to complete the task at hand. Wen ypu are capped, there is litterally no incentive to doing lower keys, other than being nice to strangers.
My noob ass still has not figured out how to join mythic 0. I set my difficulty to mythic, went to the dungeon, meeting stone only works when in a party. I see nothing in group finder. I truly have no clue how to do this with a random group.
Resto druid here, can you explain why you're not using Efflorescence during some of these clips? I thought that plus Lifebloom and Rejuv always needed to be on the tank. as I was typing this you said "Maybe I didnt have Efflorescence on the ground" as an example of bad play NVM lol
As funny as it might sound I think I make less mistake than I think I do, I am decently new to the game, I’ve only started playing since shadowlands launch, I am a healer main, and since I’m new, when every time someone dies I always think it’s my fault. I always apologizes. Until some of my guild member started telling me that it’s those people’s fault for prioritizing dps over dodging ability......
"Slow is steady, and steady is fast" This is my mantra for everything in life. Don't dilly dally, but take your damn time. Absorb what's going on, process your surroundings, talk to eachother. Things will go well.
Do you think you and Dorki can do a video on how to handle affixes like necrotic for example on various tanks and healers? Especially for like weeks where it's toxic for certain classes. Like oh shit it's..... whatever, yea I'm not logging in this week on my tank.... If ya get my drift.
If you are a decent raider and dont want to grind score for m+ just bribe (at steep discount compared to tradechat) high score people in your guild to bring you to max level weekly keys. Way less painful than pugs but realize high score players want to play with high score players. Insist on paying them if they try to reject. 20k to a guildie is way less toxic than trying to pug or begging in guild chat for a begrudging half-carry.
For someone who started WoW not so long ago, your tips are pretty much spot on. I'm gonna recommend your channel to a couple of friends who's planning to start WoW in SL, great job. The 3rd one took me along time since I first started WoW a long time ago to finally do, and it's one of the biggest difference between lower IO runners and the top 1K. Never blame others for wipes, ever. Always start with thinking with what you could've done differently, even if you think nothing you could've done matters. This single mindset change alone brought me up from my usual 'pleb' ratings to one of the higher spot for Druids.
LoL I said avoid Azralon player. They are the dumbest player of all and will always rage quit and leave your key. Same goes for rag and Illidan server. They want people who are above ilvl to carry them. 😄🤣😂😆😄
id add one : dont leave the grp if you have a feeling that you wont time the key. Ive had so many keys where 1 player left and ruined it for the 4 others
Pugging m+ is dead in shadowlands good luck within a few months finding a tank willing to run you through a m+15 for zero reward. Once most tanks are 213 I'll you wont find any to pug m+ with.
sadly this was the first season of m+ i pushed and played a new role. (tank). a lot of what you said in this video is stuff i myself had to learn. even though my highest is a few 24s(2 tyrannical at that), i still feel many of these. not doing io keys, always analyse your play and being benched.
You say as a new player just ask. but us new players are scared to ask most of the time due to the amount of backlash "why are you even here if you dont know" or something along those lines. cant speak for all but i know alot of us just watch walkthroughs, guides, builds. we do all this research prior and still get flamed for not knowing aha.
I never do Mythic + because of the people i get in party with. I always get people who is toxic after just one death and literally roasts me and my whole family. So I'm always scared to join mythic +'es because of this.
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"hey should I release?"
"wtf do u think noob"
"so is that yes or no?"
"gg" *leaves the instance group*
@@douce409 A good chance to learn that this guy in particular is an idiot and you did lose much by him leaving
lmao so true
This is a problem for ANY dungeon regardless of difficulty but I see it mostly in low level dungeons while leveling. If things are good no one talks no one learns and it's over but if mistakes happen it's blame game central and rawrs all around.
that sounds like what usualy happens.
yeah that about sums it up
Good tips overall. One I'd add, more for dps, is practice your rotation on training dummies until you can do your rotation nearly perfect with your eyes closed. The less attention you have to pay to your basic rotation, the easier it is to do mechanics, get interrupts, pull saving CC, etc. The #1 problem I see when I do keys with newer/lower IO players is they spend way too much of their focus just doing dps.
I can't concentrate on what you're saying im too fixed on the cat
heehee. Me too. *pets the kitteh*
dammit the cat got me too!
Yes, I think, as much as the cat is cute, the video [could] do without it being perma-showcased. xD
great optimistic video. I really wanted to work into M+ healing BFA. really wanted to, but running with guildies that wanted to go higher than i was yet comfortable, then a series of bad pug experiences, and I collapsed back into my hesitation, then bailed. i realize i need to have much thicker skin and all, but its a challenge. folks can be so harsh, but really, its on me to find ways to suck it up, and work through that.
Nearly 6k myself so I'll allow myself to add in just one more thing:
DO. NOT. GET. ANGRY.
This is a bit of a meme in gaming but it's honestly so true for M+. Don't let yourself get tilted. Don't rage. Don't unleash on your party or friends. Bitching and blaming doesn't help. Try your best but stay chilled.
Completely agree. Successful groups learn from mistakes and grow together (try hards who focus on fun). People never progress when they expect perfection; their own toxicity prevents them from achieving the greatness they crave. Building a successful M+ team is a lot like running a business. Being a dictator benefits no one.
Also includes "don't get angry at yourself". I still didn't overcome it completely. When I make a mistake I just get angry at myself and it just leads to more mistakes...
@@dominikaaeriar - excellent point. That's a domino effect that I have seen and experienced all too often.
Dude, because of you I learned in one month how to heal and do m+. Just yesterday I finally managed to do +15 with pugs. Thanks a lot
Rofl ,lmao what a joke
Pretty sure you learned how to heal, by just healing
wow way to downplay someone else's accomplishments.
That’s bad ass dude! Lol I’ve played the game a long long time and don’t know how to heal effectively still 🤷♂️
I dont care about people making fun of my skill.. Just wanted to thank Growl for his videos. It is not easy starting from 0 with only pugs and getting rIO to the level where you are accepted in +15. Anyway cheers guys for standing up for me :)
You are literally the person with the healthiest mindset in the community :)
Love your channel! Thanks for all this great content.
Glad you enjoy it, my pleasure!
8:05 not only can you afford more mistakes, but if your group does 20% more damage, that's 20% less time your tank and healer have to mitigate incoming damage
Just came back to WoW after a long absence and Jesus what a mess the game is in.
Tanks having to run from trash packs? Getting turned down for runs because of a score on a website even though I'm geared?
The insane amount of daily and weekly garbage I have to do just to keep up?
And the toxicity has gone off the bloody charts.
The game has gone downhill in a major way. I play games to relax and have a good time, not to try and beat a timer and get yelled at constantly.
I tank because I want to be the guy going toe to toe with the big ass monster, not so I can run for my life from trash mobs.
And for the love of god just because something takes forever doesn't mean its fun. Torghast is torture, I'm in no danger at all but it takes hours to finish.
I have not done a mythic and at this point I don't plan too but I think this is good advice for dungeons in general. Thanks for the tips!
i've played this game for 14 years with many long breaks and i would like to make a point if u dont mind.
It is really importand to stick with a class and master it no matter if u do pve or pvp.
you can play and enjoy alts ofcourse, but you should focus on one thing for a very specific reason i found out after many years.
while i was doing mythic raid progress as an MM hunter back to legion i found out that after a point i was not looking at my buttons anymore just some glims at glowing procs.
the thing is it was not that i did not care about damage as you may think, i became so accurate with any possible combat scenario that i memorized all cooldowns and possible rotations, so all i had to focus was on awareness and mechanics.
this was extremely importand for such an imobile spec back then, in order to maximize perfomance and stay alive.
Imagine being a healer and trying to look both at cooldowns, healthbars and suroundings. if u are not familiar with the spec/class you are bound to make mistakes and is completely normal because you try to do 3 things at the same time or in fairly short time between them.
So a good UI,COMFORTABLE key bindings for Every spell and good knowledge of what you play will transform you as a player.
If u struggle with all these dont worry just take your time learn and enjoy.but dont expect this to happen anyime soon if u play monday warrior, tuesday priest etc, if u are on a learning curve..
Please dont misunderstand me i dont try flex here, i just want to say that knowledge experience and practice are the keys in order to enjoy wow at its fullest.
I am always happy to see newer players evolve so fast and become great.
If only this strategy worked for Enhancement shaman, but no, we have the clunkiest design in any class ever.
A great number of us have been playing since 2005 and evolved with the game. It’s a time investment. If you want high io, you have to sacrifice time and money. I love my guild. We have pushed keys and I’ve gotten in good pug groups too. I just don’t have all day to play like when I was 16. Thanks for helping the new guys out.
One of the most informative channels out there.
On a point of "every point of damage matters"; an easier way to explain it is if you have 20% more damage, you spend 20% less time damaging mobs, which means you have 20% more time doing other stuff. Like running, or giving you 20% more time to finish a key that another group doesn't.
Excellent content! I subbed just because of the ‘bench’ comments. I’ve never heard that mentioned before and I’ve seen it negatively impact MANY players (even myself) over the years. It shows an empathy towards others that isn’t shown as often as it should.
I haven’t done a single Mythic Shadowlands dungeon yet, but that is mainly because I just came back to the game. I’ve just returned to the game after the longest break since WoW started. (I quit literally a few days before BFA launch even though I had pre purchased the expansion). I had alpha and beta access to BFA and I guess all those changes allowed me to see “behind the curtain” if you will.
Come to think of it, it’s the longest break I have taken since I started playing MMOs back in May 2000 with EQ. Yeah, yeah I know, OG...
“If OG stood for Old Gamer.” 😂
Good stuff. I'm geared to the point that heroic's are no challenge at all and was thinking about trying some Mythics. Gotta work on my gear a little more but your content was right on point for what I needed. Thanks.
This is one of the best videos ever. Right up there with Preach's series in legion for the various roles. I just jumped into healing for the first time midway through 8.3 and I'm loving it but until this week was always anxious. I watch your videos over and over to gain insight into the way to think through a dungeon. I appreciate the hard work and love the videos and knowledge you've gained during your time.
Get better in M+? I just want TO DO an M+. I request to join groups, I'm either denied right away or I sit there until the group is delisted. I start my own group and I get nada. I've tried on my favorite 3 class/specs: Ret Pally, Frost DK and Destro Lock. And we're talking about M+3 or M+5, not M+15. It seems there's way too much elitism when it comes to mythics and if you don't have your own group you run with regularly or have the perfect class/spec/achievements you're going to get snubbed. I've been playing since TBC and back then I was into every aspect of the game. We raided every week, but we also ran speed clears of heroic dungeons against our own guild. It was super competitive and fun and we always wished Blizz would make a harder mode of dungeons but that didn't come until way after my guild fell apart and everyone moved on with their lives. In MoP when the transmog sets were introduced for Gold clears, I tried so damn hard to get a group to run them with, but it was like pulling teeth. It seemed like all I did when I had time to play was try to get into mythics. Now I've stopped giving a shit, but Blizz seems to be putting more and more effort into making M+ be a parallel path to getting the best gear if you don't want to raid. I'm all for it, but damn these people are bad about judging books by their cover.
Nothing more true than this
I’d really suggest looking for a stable guild and making friends with people to push with. The game is filled with people like you, but it takes some effort to connect with people. Hang in there man.
@@Rob-pb7lm Yeah I've joined quite a few guilds over the years. Most like to act like they're pushing world's first or something. I just want some chill people that don't mind if things go sideways every now and then.
Eh, I haven't had an issue. Do you have a good ilvl for the m+ you're running?
@@Wackyorb I shoot for low, 1-4 since I've literally never ran one. I know there's a certain way they're done so I want to learn from the ground up and my ilvl is 450-460 er was. Between the 3 toons I try on mainly.
I began playing on Feb 14th 2021 and i love the game in every way. Last season i hit keymaster with my dps pali but i really dont like dps classes. I want to tank! Thank you for the advice, is been a bit intimidating but i know i can tank. Nice video and thank you again cheers
Yo very healthy video man! I really appreciate you view about the game! Improving, having fun, learning and not pointing fingers! Thank you!
"do keys even when it's not an upgrade". As someone who went through the WHOLE of BFA only plugging (being a tank class really helped, even if non meta class) this is really important.
While Im almost traumatised with the amount of crap I took from random ppl, it's also how, by the end of 8.3, I've met a really fun and good team who had just lost their usual tank and were looking for another one.
It wasn't a key upgrade for me (but also not a trivial key for my ability), but I went because I liked the dungeon. It went so smooth that I took the then empty spot.
So, yeah, puggers of the world: for every thousand of disaster runs, there's always that good one 😁
Speaking about it from the skill angle, in the beginning I kept running M2-4 dungeons just to learn the dungeons, my abilities, improve keybinds, etc and then I could just jump to M 7-9 (as a healer) with no issues. Doing the low runs wasn't a visible upgrade, but still quite useful.
Oh, and I also got into a nice WoW discord group for helping out a returning player on low M+ :)
yeah i always pug and it does help tanking and i know the feeling theres 9 bads runs to one good one it seems and theres always a retard in the group
@@Evija3000 thats why i dont understand why they now release raid finder after the raid itself is open...raid finder was a learning curve it should start at the lowest level the move up the way it is now is stupid ....you get people in groups that dont even know the fights....i learned through raid finder im not some hardcore wow nerd who reads books on fights and studies the sheit....raid finder was my learning tool
@@sonnyc3826 I played raid finder recently and many of us did not know and we wiped two times but after that people told us tactics and it went fine
Bench time is also important time because it can give others an opportunity to grow that they might not have had if you never sat out. Its extremely important to Mythic raiding to cycle more than just 20 players.
Dear Tanks PLEASE take your healers mana into consideration!
We dont mind being dragged through the mythic, but we gotta drink sometimes! js lol
or take holy pallies :P
Yo, I know this video is old, but thanks to you and a few other people I think I'm finally going to face my fear of screwing up and making people mad and try to get keystone master/raid. Thanks for the guide!
You can do it!
Don't be worried if it's your own key and someone complains just ignore it and try your best
@@Epck oh yeah I'm chillin, will probably have keystone master in 2-3 weeks or so
Great tips man this is my first xpac doing mythic+ I started WoW during legion have not done 10’s yet got 8’s and 9’s plan to step it up soon I started on 2’s and moved up slowly on every dungeon
Thanks Growl, really appreciated these guides.
Proof my mentality is that of a small child. I laughed when you said do do high keys.
Well I guess I'm a teenager...🤣 'willing to experiment'
i dont think he meant "do keys high"
One thing I wish someone would do is make "bullet time" videos of encounters with voice over explaining what is happening. Meaning that sometimes the video would slow down or pause for additional explanation. Some can absorb those fast high level videos but for me, I need the explanation stretched out.
Same!
Check out one azeroth, I think he is doing a pretty solid job with SL mechanics. It's a tank perspective.
@@sidelvar Will do. Thank you!
Trying to get better at the game instead of mindlessly doing things. I appreciate your video.
I think your UA-cam channel is a treasure for healers. Could you provide a healer level up perspective on Shadowlands? Is it possible to solo as a healer?
100% would not do M+ if gear rewards didn't rival raid progression. The system creates toxic twats and hosts an environment that creates degenerate behavior and gameplay. Rush rush rush, next.
Would love to see some dungeon guides for SL that not only goes over boss mechanic but looks at noteworthy trash packs and how affixes might interact with them . Cheers for the great content, only found you recently but i actively keep an eye out for your videos.
Pretty good video, very helpful! GJ man, been loving ur vids lately
I agree that you shouldnt be able to just push a button to get into mythics, but it would be nice if you could just list yourself. Make it similar to the way a team is listed but instead you add yourself to a list that someone putting a team together can search through. I want to do mythics put its a huge pain in the arse getting on a team, especially in the morning when I am usually available to play.
Hazelnuttygames makes short and sweet (3-4 mins) mythic dungeon guides and it's been an invaluable tool. Having a general idea of what the mechanics are is..key.
Still no idea how to get past those pesty mobs between bosses. I find rogue hardest class to play becouse keeping eye on combo points and total visio of fight is pretty impossible... Someone Will loose
"Record yourself" is the greatest advice ever
You may also add "Record AND watch everything". Not just the biggest pull where you did sick DPS and because of that want to relive the moment. Even routine and somewhat "unremarkable" parts of a run may offer great many insights for improvement once watched back. When you're doing a key and you're in the moment tunnel vision is real thing. It's astonishing how one may straight up not see a really important thing going on right in front of one's nose. Watching recordings certainly helps to not miss it the next time
@Chris Dean exactly, it's a game, it's fun, and improving is fun so why not take this advice for what it is : a way to improve yourself if you want to ? You don't have to but that's a great way to learn from your mistakes. If you feel it becoming a job more than a hobby then take a step back and keep playing the way you like .
@Chris Dean You're basically being annoyed about an instructional video giving people... instructions. Growl's video and my comment were intended for people who seek this kind of information
This video is very helpful. I’m going to start M+ in shadowlands as a tank, hoping to go with my guild. I’ll keep this advice in mind and play around with Paladin builds
Absolutely damage matters. Bigger damage makes it easier on the tanks and healers.
I once asked for a res because i know the run is far and ressing is faster. I got called a lazy jerk by the healer. Funny stuff.
It is impossible to gain io score. No one will take you to do a key you have not done before. The api to extract these data should never have been enabled.
Just go ur owen key lol
Last night was my first key (we didn't clear) I learned just how little damage I do 😂 but hey the guild was ok with it being a learning run
Subbed :) I was a main resto druid back in the day and I want to start dong raids and M+ in SL , I will keep a keen eye on your channel
2 years later and these tips were still super useful to me as a new healer! I hit 1800 last night and it’s been a blast. Explosives is rough for me this week
Now this is a good video. Subscribed just based on this, thank you very much. Question... What is your nameplate addon and your party UI frames? Thanks and I'm going to binge a bunch of your videos tomorrow!
Great list.. You can apply this list to just about every game!
Infact, I use this advice when I used to play league. I went from silver to high diamond for it!
Can't find friends to play with sad days..
Play with pugs; make friends with them.
trying hard to learn tank, just started a week or so into shadowlands for first time in forever. first time actually pushing content with a focused mind i think too. thanks man.
Tanking is easyest Job you do 👍
Learned azeroth expansion on tank and it was so easy after that put raid up on freshly dinged alt.
I ran a 16 with you last year and it was insane how much damage you were doing as the healer it hella carried us lmao
corruptions were dope
Dude you are helping me a lot with your videos. Please keep em coming. I started a Druid 2 weeks ago and you already got me to speed for Shadowlands. I'm doing low keys with ease and getting the feel for weaving into cat and bear form. Many thanks
It’s a blessing you do timestamps :)
Judging from the thumbnail, one of the points is "Roll a female Bloodelf"
You doubted it? Dont you know playing a blood elf (especially female) takes you above average immediatly?
It's all about that mog resolution
Great info. Love the advice. I am going to say the next part as you are probably ear blind to it. It makes me laugh every time you say 'is is'. There are about 3 of them but 12:04 is the last one I heard.
i like how dungeons are the endgame now and not raids. retail is just so fucking shit you cant say otherwise its just shit.
The best thing about mythic plus is that if I get kicked, I know a new person can’t enter the dungeon so everyone else can’t finish with just 4 people anyways so we sort of all got kicked.
Boys, number 3 is a life guide line, not only a M+ one
I just got back into WoW and woooow. I'm guessing healers complained that they are bored in raids and dungeons??!! Apparently Blizzard scrapped the threat mechanic and crowd control and turned Wow into speed runs that just throws damage around the screen to have the healer keying faster than mozart. Be careful what you wish for healers. Personally not a fan of the new speed raids/dungeons. Seems less like an mmo and more like an arcade now.
Lol just wait until you see healers In pvp 😂. Easily healing double the damage dealt without running oom
Yup retail wow is all about speedclearing(mythic+), raidlogging(heroics),parsing (mythic,heroics)
Cc and utility is a huge part of m+ as a healer. Stun, CC, heal, throw in damage, dispels
I can understand healers making mistakes, it is not easy keeping track of HPs and doing mechanics. But for DPS that gets hit by avoidable stuff over and over again, there is something wrong.
Started m+ today. Did +5 last and met an awesome healer fella. Excited for the times to come for me in WoW.
How is it fair some dps classes do 10-30% more damage on average than others? Seems super weird and unbalanced??
"I wish I knew more damage is better" so was there a point to this video?
he didn't use the KR shortcut, consider me fuming.
Never played a high KR key, huh?
"Is, is" my ears!!!
Every. Single. Time. xD
"The things you do, do"
This video is awesome, I've been scared to even try mythic+ but i feel better to give it a chance. Also i need to know, what ui are you using right under your character? It looks awesome
They're really not that crazy, just study the affixes and how each one affects how you do the dungeons accordingly. It's really overblown
If you get benched, it's always a good chance to push yourself out of your comfort zone and try something new!
Totally agree, i do keys for fun in pug runs all the time, and sometimes u land that fun as fk run that sticks with ya memory.
Those runs can be both smooth runs and failed runs, the important part is having the patience with the nutjobs and being excited to find the fun people :).
I can do some of the "hardest" content in the game, but that should not sway away from doing lesser content to meet new people.
Coz the game is really not fun playing alone, it's an mmorpg after all and Fun is what its all about when you crunch it down.
Also do not judge players for their mistakes, everyone does them and it is how u improve the fastest and push your limits.
Everyone has a different learning curve, accept that fact.
Approach people with kindness even in times of failure and u will most likely meet someone that just had a bad run/ day, and usually play better.
In the pug world, give people the benefit of the doubt .
“Record yourself” sounds like someone who played starcraft and then analyzed the replay to learn from mistakes :)
Man I use to do that, I need to take this advice to heart again
"but the thing is is.."
PvE players, the biggest gate keeping nerds of all time.
enjoy your time on the bench resonated a lot with me
was pushing myself for no reason at the times
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Hm, you know... I was thinking about doing m+ (have never touched it ever). As helpful as your video is, I feel confirmed that it's not for me. Too close to just diablo 3 never-ending-speedruns.
But thanks for the video anyways.
9:50 And then there's tankey... he's dead!
G G!
Tankey's dead!
G G!
Now the run is over.
Yeahhh thats gonna be a hard pass for me on the last point. Always think through why are you on the bench instead of the other guy. Why did they pick timmy instead of you. Every key done without you on it means that group is slowly and steadily getting used to play with each other while you are pushed away from the main key pushing group, specially if you are being benched by a different class.
Hi! I liked what you said about the damage and how it all matters. As a resto shaman, I feel as if I could be doing more damage but Im not certain how to approach it. Usually, I try to keep flame shock, lava burst, and chain lightning in the rotation as much possible. Any tips?
Is there a significant difference in the potential damage output from different healer specs? Say, holy paladin vs resto shaman?
Please Growl I BEG you: we need a new bench in Oribos soon! We are all waiting for you to show us the new spot! You definitely should make a youtube video about it. Oribos benches ranked!! That would be epic!
Love the vid Yumytv! I posted it in my guild's mythic+ guide channel :)
I could see also added something like: 1) Don't join a 10+ key if you are not familiar with the dungeons base mechanics (interrupt, spell steal, heal, tank tactics etc.), leading to a second point: 2) every member is equally important, I find when you have one weak link in the team then it almost always fails. That said, aiming again on mechanics mostly. It ruins the run for those who did do the prep work (practise, reading up etc.) if you join and don't have a clue. Well would be curious what your thoughts are on those points.
Ace UI btw!
"If you dont know if you should release, just ask." This is the worst advice to give giving the level of toxicity in the game. When they know that you dont know if/when to release (aka basic knowledge), its highly likely that the group will disband or you get kicked.
Everyone should be nice, but with every expansion the amount of toxicity is increasing to the point that it almost becomes impossible to do M+ with pugs
Very good video. Very educational. Thank you for taking the time to make this. It sure helped a lot.
As a tank player, myself, having to take the second part of BFA off for business reasons, coming back to the game felt a bit overwhelming.
It's videos and content like this that I like consuming to catch up to speed and also recommend to the people I start playing with to get them up to speed and see who is serious and who is not.
So in your "damage matters" section you emphasize on the meta. I intend to play demo lock in SL but I realize that its not the "meta", will I still be able to do well and accomplish lets say +15s for the season achievement?
Any spec can do achievement-level keys if your skill is high enough and you can find a group. Specs only become actually unplayable at the highest level of key +/- 3 levels
1 Thing I would have loved to know was that there is Gatekeeping in WoW. Looking at a number to "see" how good/bad a player is.
I'm a casual player and most times there are players with higher IO points who are not "better".
Most times you don't get invited because your points are too low.
yumytv: "hello friends this is grooowwl" whadyamean
I started high m+ because of you so congratz on doing your mission :)
Btw no red arrow on thumbnail please
Here's a tip. Don't have alts. Keep that io stacked up on one character
Why not it’s fun to play other classes
@@Kyle-np5pw true. but the avg person would get further if they only did mythic + on one character instead of several
Its just io who cares. Playing multiple characters is fun and fun is vastly more important than this esports garbage wow has turned into.
I hate M+.... It's one of the worst thing that happened to WOW... Too many narcissistic and toxic people out there.
Think you misspoke, Blizzard does indeed have a M+ point tracking and E-peen system. There is a whole sub-culture behind it too. Blizzard has sections of its entire linterface dedicated to it. Achievements, rewards, prestige, Tier Armor variations, even early on Tier gear for KSM..
Do be dismissive of points and the content that matters to the individual is a big oversight.
Thats like joining a lets say a 23+ key and the person listing it has a rating of 1600. It absolutely matters and is a good indicator of 5 ability to complete the task at hand.
Wen ypu are capped, there is litterally no incentive to doing lower keys, other than being nice to strangers.
My noob ass still has not figured out how to join mythic 0. I set my difficulty to mythic, went to the dungeon, meeting stone only works when in a party. I see nothing in group finder. I truly have no clue how to do this with a random group.
this is unfortnate for people who play tier B or lower specs.
rewatch last part
Resto druid here, can you explain why you're not using Efflorescence during some of these clips? I thought that plus Lifebloom and Rejuv always needed to be on the tank.
as I was typing this you said "Maybe I didnt have Efflorescence on the ground" as an example of bad play NVM lol
As funny as it might sound I think I make less mistake than I think I do, I am decently new to the game, I’ve only started playing since shadowlands launch, I am a healer main, and since I’m new, when every time someone dies I always think it’s my fault. I always apologizes. Until some of my guild member started telling me that it’s those people’s fault for prioritizing dps over dodging ability......
"Slow is steady, and steady is fast"
This is my mantra for everything in life. Don't dilly dally, but take your damn time. Absorb what's going on, process your surroundings, talk to eachother. Things will go well.
Thanks for the yumytvHomework
Do you think you and Dorki can do a video on how to handle affixes like necrotic for example on various tanks and healers? Especially for like weeks where it's toxic for certain classes.
Like oh shit it's..... whatever, yea I'm not logging in this week on my tank....
If ya get my drift.
If you are a decent raider and dont want to grind score for m+ just bribe (at steep discount compared to tradechat) high score people in your guild to bring you to max level weekly keys. Way less painful than pugs but realize high score players want to play with high score players. Insist on paying them if they try to reject. 20k to a guildie is way less toxic than trying to pug or begging in guild chat for a begrudging half-carry.
what program do you use to record plz ?
OBS studio
For someone who started WoW not so long ago, your tips are pretty much spot on. I'm gonna recommend your channel to a couple of friends who's planning to start WoW in SL, great job.
The 3rd one took me along time since I first started WoW a long time ago to finally do, and it's one of the biggest difference between lower IO runners and the top 1K. Never blame others for wipes, ever. Always start with thinking with what you could've done differently, even if you think nothing you could've done matters. This single mindset change alone brought me up from my usual 'pleb' ratings to one of the higher spot for Druids.
LoL I said avoid Azralon player. They are the dumbest player of all and will always rage quit and leave your key. Same goes for rag and Illidan server. They want people who are above ilvl to carry them. 😄🤣😂😆😄
id add one : dont leave the grp if you have a feeling that you wont time the key. Ive had so many keys where 1 player left and ruined it for the 4 others
Pugging m+ is dead in shadowlands good luck within a few months finding a tank willing to run you through a m+15 for zero reward.
Once most tanks are 213 I'll you wont find any to pug m+ with.
sadly this was the first season of m+ i pushed and played a new role. (tank). a lot of what you said in this video is stuff i myself had to learn. even though my highest is a few 24s(2 tyrannical at that), i still feel many of these. not doing io keys, always analyse your play and being benched.
24s on your first season, your owning!
You say as a new player just ask. but us new players are scared to ask most of the time due to the amount of backlash
"why are you even here if you dont know"
or something along those lines. cant speak for all but i know alot of us just watch walkthroughs, guides, builds. we do all this research prior and still get flamed for not knowing aha.
I never do Mythic + because of the people i get in party with. I always get people who is toxic after just one death and literally roasts me and my whole family. So I'm always scared to join mythic +'es because of this.