It's more of a grunt, he's never actually done a scream low enough to be a growl on a Pantera song. Maybe in the pre chorus of domination, but that's VERY intentional and a bit high too.
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 27.4.22 1807pm you mean... when they mellow after a while or in some band's cases after 1 decent album... i think they should get noisier not more mellow and considered. II by hey colossus is an ok album in the heavy offering stakes. i have yet to hear anything truly heavy. motorhead nearly reached that zenith.... so i dunno... you tell me.
As a drummer this record really blew me away, Vinny took metal drumming to "a new level" with this one, combining grooves, and some double bass patterns i'd never heard before. Every sound was so well captured and produced. I introduced so many friends to Pantera with this record, as it was heavy and tight. Definitely a benchmark record that inspired so many musically. I still notice new things when i hear it, the perfect growling bass tone, the crafted solo backing sections, etc. So damn good.
I'm 58 and most of my friends are in their mid 50's and some close to 60 like myself, we all still love our Metal. We got some major stereo systems to play it on now also.
They didn't need to wear masks and cry about their childhood. They were just metal in it's purest form. Heaviest show I ever saw was 94-96 time period, ozzfest,Giants stadium, 60,000 people all going ape shit when Pantera came on. They didn't even wait for coal chamber or whoever it was on second stage to finish. We could have taken over the world that day. gave up on metal after they broke up. Very few bands are worth a damn. I like gojira and system and a little meshuga but most is trash.
Far Beyond Driven is the perfect blend of their very dark and intense sound to follow on Trendkill but keeping the ball-crushing riffs and vocals from Vulgar. 10/10 for me personally to this day.
both these albums were fucking brutal and i love listening to them every time im in a music mood cant not listen and for me the songs i love the most #1 slaughtered #@ the great southern trendkill even loved the bailey hounds version. #3 evolution is my name #4 i'll cast a shadow #5 suicide note 2 but i have to listen to one first its just epic how they change up
I was 16 when Far Beyond Driven came out and I still have my cassette tape and I'll keep it forever. It was such a monumental album and time in my life, Pantera taught me everything I needed to know about music. Absolutely heartbroken when Dime and Vinnie passed away 😥
Same, even the same age, lol, except I don't have my original cassette anymore. Impressive dedication to old school tapes and much better ability to hold on to something for damn near 30 years lol
I remember seeing them for the FBD tour, they came with Type O Negative. One of the best concerts I've been to. When they played "Third Arm", the whole main floor just exploded. It really felt like the concrete floor was moving. Planet Caravan is a kick ass cover and a perfect way to close out an album as well as the concert.
That was the first time of 7 times I was lucky enough to see them live!! FBD is my favorite album, and I thought I was going to die from how God damn excited I was, lol. I saw them in March 95 in Erie, Pa and Phil said he was sick and literally sat leaning on a speaker wearing a flannel and beanie all night long!! Still absolutely loved every second of it. They put on a better show with Phil sick and not moving than a lot of bands I've seen trying their asses off, lol nobody will ever come close to how great and talented Pantera was!!
Far Beyond Driven debuting at number 1 was madness at the time. Never thought I'd see that happen. Pantera were something truly special. Love that band.
When this album came out, the heaviest thing I’d ever heard was Metallica’s And Justice for All. A few friends and I took a few albums out on a boat for an all-nighter party when it was fresh off the press, the year it came out. It was like putting my face into the afterburner of a fighter jet. One of the greatest albums of any genre, of all time.
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1810pm 27.4.22 spandex namely cock rock metal almost did you in... though if cock rock metal is yer thing then go to it...
Wanna hear a funny story? At Ozzfest '99 while waiting in line to get in, my friends and I met Big Val... Remember Big Val from the Pantera home videos? He was working for some other band I forget who but later I found out that Pantera had previously fired him for like embezzling or stealing from them. Val didn't mention that I wonder why but we talked to him and got him to sign our ticket stubs. No one there but my buddies and I even knew who TF he was but others heard us ask for him to sign our stubs so a line started forming of people wanting him to sign their shit too but they didn't even know why or who he was... they just knew someone else knew of him, so he must have been important. He seemed to feel obligated to sign people's stuff..
@@BillCozThe Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1642pm 28.4.22 indeed. amusing if yer into starting queues, i suppose... ozzfest 99? that's kindda recent in rock terms - if we take the osbourne as our time line... i can't say i have encountered anything amusing at concerts or when queuing... there was the time a queue formed outside gala's old stately home - dali's wife - to see her tomb and traipse around her old home - as tourists have done for a few years now...and as we stood waiting, little bits of chit chat permeating the silent morning air... a dove crapped on one of the young women waiting to get in to the premises: "no manners, but what a critic", chimed i. "probably trynna tell us something..." other than that... nope. can't say anything amusing has happened to me. their humor costs me money and broken bones and distraught love lives....so i am apt to steer clear of humour. yeah....
"without significant radio or mtv play far beyond driven somehow debuted at #1 on the billboard charts" Just because it was and still is one of the greatest albums of all time
Slaughtered and 25 Years are like Heartbreaker and Living Loving Maid by Led Zeppelin in that you can listen to either song individually but to get the full effect and not feel like something is missing you have to listen to them one right after the other.
I'm 4 years older than Dime and discovered this in a pawn shop. Still can't believe I wasn't aware of them and bought this just from the cover and never looked back. Saw three insane live shows including Reinventing The Steel and I am still a die hard fan at sixty and their music will last forever. No band before or after ever made the impact on me they did and I'm grateful of the stripped down balls to wall sound they perfected and stayed true to. ✝️ RIP BROTHERS DIME 🎸AND 🥁 VINCE. CFH FOREVER GETCHA PULL
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1816pm 27.4.22 as for some dude giving the finger to the assembled band - was it meant to signify an eff you stance? yer hardly gonna be phased if yerv got a few thousand folks backing you up... kindda cowardice on their side, i surmise... as for music - they are a heavy band...but the riffing is samey.. so it aint heavy in the sense of all the songs seemingly having the same compositional structure... i can't name a truly heavy band who are consistently heavy... bog blast's one and only release miss conception was pretty heavy. i'd recommend that wonderful 7 inch.
@@leniselafleur4289 The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 29.6.22 1810pm red hot? yeah; samey.. after a while. then most genres end up sounding samey due to the no brainers only taking influences from that particular genre they find themselves in.... as obvious as it reads: motorhead or t'eds will be close to having the heaviest album - regards played at full belt. un-remastered. bass heavy. orgasmatron the original if played at 11 might just cut it. and pish on anything the red hots produced.
This album is shining gold, I remember when I first listened to it and I couldn’t stop listening to shedding skin, in fact I’m still addicted to Far Beyond Driven and Pantera in general, hands down for these musical genius 🤘🔥
Far Beyond Driven is my favorite album of all time and Shedding Skin is a great song!!! One song that I never really see anyone talk about but is honestly one of my favorites is Use My Third Arm, sick song!!!
The thing that makes it heavy isn't really the tuning or the pinch harmonics, it is the songwriting, the tight chops from dimebag, the aggressive vocals from phil, the TIGHT drumming from vinnie and the underrated bass from rex. The songwriting above all is what makes it solid from front to back. No it wasnt just a bunch of riffs showing off, they were SONGS.
They understood STORY and drama...how to move from one section to the next, to compliment and contrast verse to chorus for some (at the time) extreme results . No matter how crazy or normal something they created was - as long as was true METAL - it found it's place in the overall story. It all holds up as MUSIC glued together by their friendship, love and a deep Texan musical lineage.
Love this. Well said. Too many write-off metal as music slapped together by angry derelict Neanderthals. Unlike these pop stars with their 10 producers and 15 songwriters, PANTERA was genuinely writing their own music with complete disregard of the trends and the industry. “The trend is OVER!”
It’s not their heaviness it’s their musicality they didn’t tune their 8 string guitar they just were tough gritty and heavy, everything metal is. It’s not about violence it’s about rage. Rage we all feel as people
@@aw2584 honestly it’s not all modern bands, I still listen to veil of maya and other “modern bands” but bands like death and pantera had something to say
@@S1LVERflyin not necessarily. It isnt necessarily old stuff good either, we only idealize the things that stood the test of time. This whole video is about an album from the 90s that is revered by many metalheads then and now. I dont hate modern metal, just that sometimes you dont get it or want to hear a bunch of architects, periphery, meshuggah and animals as leaders clones running around.
Pantera, as a whole....unstoppable and undeniably the best metal band to ever form. As a longtime fan, their personal history, and "rise to fame" are fukn devastating and infuriating. RIP Dime and Vinny. Irreplaceable in more ways than one, and we miss you more than you could possibly imagine.
I mean, I love Pantera, but to outright state that they're "undeniably the best metal band to ever form" shows that your metal experience is a bit limited, at best.
@@metalswifty23 bullshit, if he likes pantera most out of all shit, it´s the best metal band ever in his opinion. I listen to mostly underground death & black metal since 1998 and I know A LOT of bands. Still, for me, like for a lot of others, Pantera is and always will be the BEST band ever. Don´t asume things just by reading some comments. You don´t know the person behind it.....cheers
One of the first truly heavy albums I owned, and at like 14-15 years old it was unbelievably extreme to me. Haven't really listened to Pantera for a long time now, but props to them for putting this out when many of the popular metal bands were going through their 'sellout' phase.
yup.. know that feeling.. 1st album i bought was Cheryl Crow - sucked. Then got Smashmouth.. meh..use of guitars etc. in a rock way. Then got Vulgar display of power randomly - Life was forever changed for the better.
I remember seeing Pantera, Sepultura and Biohazard when they came on tour for this album. Pantera is the best ever to do it in my opinion. R.I.P Vinnie and Dime yall are truly missed
I was already a Metalhead when "Vulgar...." came out. When we all first listened to the records, we were confused: no thrash, no death, no rock, no blues, no classic.... no labels. They were just PANTERA. And the more we listened, the more we loved. live they were killers, and they were just 4 On stage. simply incredible. Nobody will have figured that the sequel would have been even heavier....but it was. personally there is nothing that i like more than vulgar on Pantera's roster, but all which is related to Pantera is simply History.
Far Beyond Driven arrived shortly after I'd gotten into metal and it blew my mind. I was only 15 at the time but I remember it like it was yesterday and it laid waste to anything I'd ever heard up to that point. I will always have a soft spot for the 80s Metallica records but Pantera blew the f***ing doors off, man!
@@frostedcupcakes2670 agreed. I've recently been hooked om wrath. Never gave it much of a listen but man. Tons of hits anf has some sacrament sounds to it
I remembered that i played Mouth for War as loud as i could and smashing the pillow( couldn’t smash the furnitures as my mom would kill me 😂). Best days of my life.
I miss Dime and Vinnie so bad. I got to meet them One time a few months before Dime was murdered... they were so friendly and really respected all their fans.
Phil is so underrated, he is the power of Pantera, their backbone and balls. Without him they would at first never success and never be such a trendkill. Ave Phil Anselmo ! Whatever anyone may say, he is and will be my idol.
Dime was a one of a kind guitar player. Nobody could ever come close to sounding like him, and even after almost 20 years after his death, nobody has and we probably never will see another like him. That's why he's one of if not the best metal guitarist to have walked the earth.
Cannibal Corpse still going strong. Don't care if that's not your thing, they're amazing. Alex Webster is a legend and keeps it going. Extreme metal will never die. It's the 'Jazz' of the modern world for those that get it.
0:47 Exhorder are widely credited for inventing the groove metal sound, a band which Pantera became heavily influenced by. Pantera just made it popular.
This album was the first compact disc I'd ever bought. Hadn't ever bought a Pantera album before. One of the best decisions I ever made. Using My 3rd Arm, still drives me out of my mind.
What I love about being Texan. They’ve done the Lone Star State proud. I’ve known people that have had personal experiences with the Abbott family. Favorite Pantera song is Piss
I just wrote a long comment on a weight lifting channel. I wrote that Pantera is the most important band in world history. Rest in peace dime bag rest in peace vinny
Why does modern media still perpetuate the myth that grunge and metal were such segregated genres??? (it really wasn't). Ever hear TAD, Gruntruck, Wickerman, Helmet, Skin Yard, Nirvana 'Bleach'. Failure, Reign Sanction, L7, The Melvins, Hum, Soundgarden, Rollins Band, Smile, Alice In Chains, Danzig??? (All pretty heavy, talented, and respected bands among many metal fans ). And again...0:36 there's that annoying belief of "metal was dead'' in the 90s BS (???) The reality was that the 'well-known' and overrated Metallica sold out and other/better bands shared the spotlight (Pantera, White Zombie, Prong, Sepultura, Crowbar, Ministry, Slayer, Fear Factory, Life of Agony, Type O Negative, Nailbomb, Biohazard, Obituary, Napalm Death, Carcass, Fudge Tunnel, Mundane, Filter, Down, Corrosion of Conformity, Paradise Lost, Dearly Beheaded, Pist On, etc). Maybe Loudwire should make a video about MTV(NYC) cancelling the existence of Pantera in 1996 after MTV News ran 'concerning' stories of homophobic slurs, rants of racial hypocrisy, and 'crude' behavior (ha) at Pantera's live performances in 1995??? I saw it and I remember. NYC-style 'cancel culture' has been around longer than you think...it's pretty funny how rap and R&B music suddenly replaced entire genres of guitar-based music on mainstream outlets by 1998 (after nearly 50 years). Oh, but the new 'metal generation' was force-fed homeboy-clowns Limp Bizkit, Korn, and Good Charlotte...bands that were all basically hip-hop with guitars...poster-boys posing on low-rider bikes with gold chained necklaces for small-town teenage girls who were too far removed from the charlatan mu$ic indu$try was imposing on the masses (if you get my drift). That's the truth about 90s metal. I was there...Loudwire apparently wasn't.
I remember when The Great Southern Trendkill came out I was worried that they might go soft. I reluctantly put the disk in and hit play. RWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARR!!!
Phil really came into his lyrical own here and continuing into Trendkill, and don’t even get me started on the Down album that came in between. Those years right before his first death are untouchable.
Not to put a damper on the situation, but Damageplan felt kind of mellow in comparison to Pantera. However, Phil's other projects were almost never mellow and often more thrashy and heavier. Rex has also mellowed out. Imo Phil doesn't get enough credit for keeping Pantera on the heavy path.
No, he doesn't and he is the reason for their style change that made them famous to begin with. Sure the other 3 were awesome at their instruments but, they were just a well known bar band before he joined.
@@brandonjohnson191 But phil wasn't even in any band worth mentioning before Pantera. Everything worked when he joined. If it was just phil then why none of his non Pantera bands sounded good or succeeded like Pantera? Point is Pantera was a group effort and everybody contributed their part.
@@indianmilitary Phil was 19 when he joined Pantera. Not being in a successful band before 19 is totally acceptable. Actually, being in a successful band at 19 is quite an amazing feat. Down is probably one of the greatest metal super groups of all time. I would think that's pretty successful. All Phil's other projects are way too heavy and dark to see the type of commercial success Pantera ever did.
@@indianmilitary Neither were the others, Pantera was a glam band before Phil joined and I specifically said the other 3 members were great at their parts, they should have been, they played together for a decade before he joined too. Yes, it took all 4 to create what they became but, he was the dominant influence on their change of style that led to that creation Then there's the fact that the brothers had Damage Plan and Phil has DOWN.... There's no comparison there.
FBD was my favorite album them. I remember when I first heard that riff on “I’m Broken” and I listen to that song over and over. I met Vinnie a few times at various concerts and such in Dallas. He just hung out in the crowd with everyone, real cool dude.
@HEY!YO!IT'S!RAZORCLA(E)W by sounding good. Cannibal corpse and death metal as a whole is basically niche(definitely was then). How many young metal dudes chop away on out of tune guitars to hammer smashed face? None. Walk, on the other hand? Most.
I bought that album when i was 11 on it's day of release, i had a dentist apointement and my mother told me that if i had no issues i could get a new CD... ...went in the music store, listened to some of the various artists they had on the "listening posts" and i heard "Becoming" for the first time of my life. Will forever remember that day, as the day i discovered Pantera. And to this day even after dwelling in more extreme forms of metal, either listening or playing, Pantera is still my favorite band ever. RIP Dime and Vinny, love you guys.
Pantera is an underrated band among "real" Metalheads. They have fantastic songs yet most of them snob them. Their brake downs are really hard not to love.
When I got into metal Pantera were looked at as being an entry level metal band, and i noticed once people got into metal they didn't want to listen to entry level bands. Being an entry level band is a huge compliment to the music they make in my opinion.
@Sleezy_Q That's not proof that Dimebag writes better riffs and solos, it's just proof that Pantera is more popular than Exodus. Believe me, many of Gary Holt's riffs are as good or better than Dimebag's, just look at The Toxic Waltz, or A Lesson in Violence, or Strike of the Beast.
@Sleezy_Q I just took a look at all 4 of those songs, and honestly none of them are as memorable as the 3 examples I listed. Dimebag may have written good riffs but he is by no means the best riff/solo writer in all of metal.
@Sleezy_Q I've listened to Dimebag's riffs before, I just didn't immediately remember which ones you were referring to. Cowboys from Hell is undoubtedly a very memorable riff, but I do not think it is infinitely better than Holt's riffs. Dimebag's most famous riffs might be a bit better, but Holt is so consistent writing crushing thrash riffs that I think he wins out. I also don't know who you hang out with, but Dimebag is by far not the most worshipped guitarist/riff writer in metal. Most guitarists would likely consider Tony Iommi, Kerry King, Scott Ian, and James Hetfield, Dave Mustaine, and Gary Holt to be more accomplished guitarists than Dimebag.
You know there’s that one Metal fan somewhere saying, “ Hey ! What about Electric Cockhead’s debut album “rise from the Anal Cavity of 1000 souls” from 1992 ?!?!!
I think one of the things that was addressed here that often goes unnoticed is the impact Phil's health had on the band ... Most people will experience a hard point in their lives and they'll become soft and or develope a victim mentality and Phil's reaction to vulnerability was pure rage he was absolutely pissed and it took a already very heavy band and completely pushed them over the edge and many bands have tried to replicate that sound but without the experiences Phil had and his messed up way of thinking you can't have what Pantera had ... I'll always say Dime was the greatest guitarists ever I truly believe Vinny was a musical mastermind and props to Rex for keeping up but Phil for a window of time was the absolute best vocalists I'd ever heard and he rarely gets enough credit for it
@@jasonyoung4926 like I'm not here to argue about if he was a good person or if he messed the band up ... That's a different conversation for another time But Phil as a vocalist was a absolute monster you could take almost any other vocalist at any point in their career and put them up again Phil and let's be real ... You wouldn't be able to say many guys were better with a straight face
Phil is the only guy who can growl without trying to growl
Seth Putnam could do it.
@@daBEAGLE1017 He did... oh he did indeed... 😈
phil anselmo has some of the best metal growls no doubt, hear the whole FBD album if you dont believe me
It's more of a grunt, he's never actually done a scream low enough to be a growl on a Pantera song.
Maybe in the pre chorus of domination, but that's VERY intentional and a bit high too.
“Far Beyond Driven” isn’t an album.
It’s a weapon. 🤘🏻
Cant agree more
of mass destruction
They do have some really sick album names, totally.
Slow. Clap.
A FUCKING TRUCK SMASHING YOUR BODY
RIP Vin and Dime. Never will be forgotten.
vin diesel nie paul
Bru everybody says this but where is rex
@@mudsdamuda7144 probably golfing.
RIP
The truest words I have ever heard thank you🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘
This album was absolute perfection. High school nostalgia.
Phil's vocals without the backing track are haunting.
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 27.4.22 1807pm you mean... when they mellow after a while or in some band's cases after 1 decent album... i think they should get noisier not more mellow and considered. II by hey colossus is an ok album in the heavy offering stakes. i have yet to hear anything truly heavy. motorhead nearly reached that zenith.... so i dunno... you tell me.
@@JJONNYREPP hah?
@@alee7275 oh?
@@JJONNYREPP the great southern trend kill was heavy tho?
@@JJONNYREPP speak English
I'm 55 and I've only gotten into harder and harder music as I got older. Pantera is my favorite.
"SWEET"!!!🤟🤟🤟🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾
Little did Vincent Paul realize, almost 30 years later, drummers STILL can't get "Becoming," as clean and flawless as him.
100%
That's the pure truth 🤘
"There it is, ya boy, modern fuckin drummer"
DIME
Timing was great, for me it's always just the biscuit-puff/lily-drop bass drum, like put put put put and add however many of "put-a-put"
@@xerotonin6776 "The King of thrash metal drums."
As a drummer this record really blew me away, Vinny took metal drumming to "a new level" with this one, combining grooves, and some double bass patterns i'd never heard before. Every sound was so well captured and produced. I introduced so many friends to Pantera with this record, as it was heavy and tight. Definitely a benchmark record that inspired so many musically. I still notice new things when i hear it, the perfect growling bass tone, the crafted solo backing sections, etc. So damn good.
Pantera wasn't just a band. They were a lifestyle to allot of us old heads. 45 year old metal head
@Sleezy_Q no comparison
I'm 58 and most of my friends are in their mid 50's and some close to 60 like myself, we all still love our Metal. We got some major stereo systems to play it on now also.
Fuck yeah I've been saying they were a lifestyle to people for 25 years
They didn't need to wear masks and cry about their childhood. They were just metal in it's purest form. Heaviest show I ever saw was 94-96 time period, ozzfest,Giants stadium, 60,000 people all going ape shit when Pantera came on. They didn't even wait for coal chamber or whoever it was on second stage to finish. We could have taken over the world that day. gave up on metal after they broke up. Very few bands are worth a damn. I like gojira and system and a little meshuga but most is trash.
Still shootin back black Tooths 🤘
Pantera was my first concert. RIP Vinnie and dimebag we miss you.
Far Beyond Driven is the perfect blend of their very dark and intense sound to follow on Trendkill but keeping the ball-crushing riffs and vocals from Vulgar. 10/10 for me personally to this day.
both these albums were fucking brutal and i love listening to them every time im in a music mood cant not listen and for me the songs i love the most #1 slaughtered #@ the great southern trendkill even loved the bailey hounds version. #3 evolution is my name #4 i'll cast a shadow #5 suicide note 2 but i have to listen to one first its just epic how they change up
I was 16 when Far Beyond Driven came out and I still have my cassette tape and I'll keep it forever. It was such a monumental album and time in my life, Pantera taught me everything I needed to know about music. Absolutely heartbroken when Dime and Vinnie passed away 😥
Same, even the same age, lol, except I don't have my original cassette anymore. Impressive dedication to old school tapes and much better ability to hold on to something for damn near 30 years lol
Just wanted to say that Phil's vocals isolated are truly insane, caught me off guard to say the least
I remember seeing them for the FBD tour, they came with Type O Negative. One of the best concerts I've been to. When they played "Third Arm", the whole main floor just exploded. It really felt like the concrete floor was moving. Planet Caravan is a kick ass cover and a perfect way to close out an album as well as the concert.
I'd love to have seen that tour
That was the first time of 7 times I was lucky enough to see them live!! FBD is my favorite album, and I thought I was going to die from how God damn excited I was, lol. I saw them in March 95 in Erie, Pa and Phil said he was sick and literally sat leaning on a speaker wearing a flannel and beanie all night long!! Still absolutely loved every second of it. They put on a better show with Phil sick and not moving than a lot of bands I've seen trying their asses off, lol nobody will ever come close to how great and talented Pantera was!!
Far Beyond Driven debuting at number 1 was madness at the time. Never thought I'd see that happen. Pantera were something truly special. Love that band.
I'm old enough to remember its release, but didn't know it went to no. 1
When this album came out, the heaviest thing I’d ever heard was Metallica’s And Justice for All. A few friends and I took a few albums out on a boat for an all-nighter party when it was fresh off the press, the year it came out. It was like putting my face into the afterburner of a fighter jet. One of the greatest albums of any genre, of all time.
That's a HUGE accolade for a band like Pantera. No one saw that coming, but hey...WATCH IT GO!!!!!!!!
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1810pm 27.4.22 spandex namely cock rock metal almost did you in... though if cock rock metal is yer thing then go to it...
Threeee(watch it gooo) Ha
Wanna hear a funny story? At Ozzfest '99 while waiting in line to get in, my friends and I met Big Val... Remember Big Val from the Pantera home videos?
He was working for some other band I forget who but later I found out that Pantera had previously fired him for like embezzling or stealing from them.
Val didn't mention that I wonder why but we talked to him and got him to sign our ticket stubs.
No one there but my buddies and I even knew who TF he was but others heard us ask for him to sign our stubs so a line started forming of people wanting him to sign their shit too but they didn't even know why or who he was... they just knew someone else knew of him, so he must have been important.
He seemed to feel obligated to sign people's stuff..
@@BillCoz That's cool. Didn't know that about Big Val. RIP Big Boy!👊
@@BillCozThe Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1642pm 28.4.22 indeed. amusing if yer into starting queues, i suppose... ozzfest 99? that's kindda recent in rock terms - if we take the osbourne as our time line... i can't say i have encountered anything amusing at concerts or when queuing... there was the time a queue formed outside gala's old stately home - dali's wife - to see her tomb and traipse around her old home - as tourists have done for a few years now...and as we stood waiting, little bits of chit chat permeating the silent morning air... a dove crapped on one of the young women waiting to get in to the premises: "no manners, but what a critic", chimed i. "probably trynna tell us something..." other than that... nope. can't say anything amusing has happened to me. their humor costs me money and broken bones and distraught love lives....so i am apt to steer clear of humour. yeah....
"without significant radio or mtv play far beyond driven somehow debuted at #1 on the billboard charts"
Just because it was and still is one of the greatest albums of all time
So fucking true, they were truly a great band!!
"Slaughtered" is probably the most underrated song on that album, or possibly in their entire discography. That song makes me go extra ape shit.
Slaughtered and 25 Years are like Heartbreaker and Living Loving Maid by Led Zeppelin in that you can listen to either song individually but to get the full effect and not feel like something is missing you have to listen to them one right after the other.
Slaughtered and Use My 3rd Arm are fucking badass 🤘
Yes! Slaughtered is my all time favorite
That riff that dime plays toward the end is just brutal. Its so hard to play too.
“hard lines, sunken cheeks” the absolutely the most underrated pantera song and one of the only actual songs that is underrated
I'm 4 years older than Dime and discovered this in a pawn shop. Still can't believe I wasn't aware of them and bought this just from the cover and never looked back. Saw three insane live shows including Reinventing The Steel and I am still a die hard fan at sixty and their music will last forever. No band before or after ever made the impact on me they did and I'm grateful of the stripped down balls to wall sound they perfected and stayed true to. ✝️ RIP BROTHERS DIME 🎸AND 🥁 VINCE. CFH FOREVER GETCHA PULL
my ALL-TIME favorite metal band!!! long live the kings!!!
FOREVER STRONGER THAN ALL
The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 1816pm 27.4.22 as for some dude giving the finger to the assembled band - was it meant to signify an eff you stance? yer hardly gonna be phased if yerv got a few thousand folks backing you up... kindda cowardice on their side, i surmise... as for music - they are a heavy band...but the riffing is samey.. so it aint heavy in the sense of all the songs seemingly having the same compositional structure... i can't name a truly heavy band who are consistently heavy... bog blast's one and only release miss conception was pretty heavy. i'd recommend that wonderful 7 inch.
FOREVER STRONGER THAN ALL!!
@@JJONNYREPP Samey? You NEED a qtip!😵😵😵
@@leniselafleur4289 The Heaviest Album to Ever Hit #1 29.6.22 1810pm red hot? yeah; samey.. after a while. then most genres end up sounding samey due to the no brainers only taking influences from that particular genre they find themselves in.... as obvious as it reads: motorhead or t'eds will be close to having the heaviest album - regards played at full belt. un-remastered. bass heavy. orgasmatron the original if played at 11 might just cut it. and pish on anything the red hots produced.
Dimebag had the most brutal riffs of all time. Thanks for inspiring my band brother
This album is shining gold, I remember when I first listened to it and I couldn’t stop listening to shedding skin, in fact I’m still addicted to Far Beyond Driven and Pantera in general, hands down for these musical genius 🤘🔥
Shedding skin’s my favourite song on the album, it fucking shreds
YES! shedding skin riff gets stuck in your head
Far Beyond Driven is my favorite album of all time and Shedding Skin is a great song!!! One song that I never really see anyone talk about but is honestly one of my favorites is Use My Third Arm, sick song!!!
@@admiralackbar6586 use my third arm is really good too, perfect for headbang if you ask me
Probably one of my favorite Dime solos in that song too.
I cant believe they formed in the early 80's and sound more metal than most bands today... Love it.
The thing that makes it heavy isn't really the tuning or the pinch harmonics, it is the songwriting, the tight chops from dimebag, the aggressive vocals from phil, the TIGHT drumming from vinnie and the underrated bass from rex. The songwriting above all is what makes it solid from front to back. No it wasnt just a bunch of riffs showing off, they were SONGS.
everything just WORKS with Pantera. The riffs perfectly compliment the tone, the drums perfectly compliment the riffs, god EVERYTHING just clicks.
Truth. I've heard a lot of "heavy" music that ain't even metal at all. It's less about the sound and more about the nature of the content held within.
They understood STORY and drama...how to move from one section to the next, to compliment and contrast verse to chorus for some (at the time) extreme results .
No matter how crazy or normal something they created was - as long as was true METAL - it found it's place in the overall story.
It all holds up as MUSIC glued together by their friendship, love and a deep Texan musical lineage.
Its really heavy, but I'm sure we've had other heavier bands hit number one. I swear slipknot has had number ones?
Love this. Well said. Too many write-off metal as music slapped together by angry derelict Neanderthals. Unlike these pop stars with their 10 producers and 15 songwriters, PANTERA was genuinely writing their own music with complete disregard of the trends and the industry. “The trend is OVER!”
I cannot express how much I love Pantera
Man I miss Pantera ... Such an amazing band
Listen to em every week at least a few times. Getcha pull!
@@Mackenzieadventures1 getcha pull \m/
The world needs em now more than ever
Man so do I. I still listen to them alot!
Pantera...they came, they saw and kicked everyone's ass.
Part of my youth, Legends, never to be forgotten.
It’s not their heaviness it’s their musicality they didn’t tune their 8 string guitar they just were tough gritty and heavy, everything metal is. It’s not about violence it’s about rage. Rage we all feel as people
Yeah modern metal bad 😠
^not really bad but just boring and not very innovative but who cares, I don't like it so i don't listen to it
@@aw2584 honestly it’s not all modern bands, I still listen to veil of maya and other “modern bands” but bands like death and pantera had something to say
@@S1LVERflyin not necessarily. It isnt necessarily old stuff good either, we only idealize the things that stood the test of time. This whole video is about an album from the 90s that is revered by many metalheads then and now. I dont hate modern metal, just that sometimes you dont get it or want to hear a bunch of architects, periphery, meshuggah and animals as leaders clones running around.
@@candideggplant1575 I understand them because I started with Djent and prog metal but when I found pantera it just was what I loved and connected to.
Far Beyond Driven was definitely my fav album from them. Amazing work
Slaughtered is such a brutal masterpiece!
You’re absolutely right… go Avs!
@@DankWilliams66 you got a good team at the moment i got to say
@@letsgooilers Good luck! McD vs MacK. The matchup we all wanted
@@DankWilliams66 What a clusterfuck game 1 was
Should never wonder if you’re gonna lose after scoring 7 goals. Hope the next game has some defense.
It will never happen like this again. There is only ONE PANTERA ... RIP
Pantera, as a whole....unstoppable and undeniably the best metal band to ever form.
As a longtime fan, their personal history, and "rise to fame" are fukn devastating and infuriating.
RIP Dime and Vinny. Irreplaceable in more ways than one, and we miss you more than you could possibly imagine.
feelin every word of yours
I mean, I love Pantera, but to outright state that they're "undeniably the best metal band to ever form" shows that your metal experience is a bit limited, at best.
@@metalswifty23 bullshit, if he likes pantera most out of all shit, it´s the best metal band ever in his opinion. I listen to mostly underground death & black metal since 1998 and I know A LOT of bands. Still, for me, like for a lot of others, Pantera is and always will be the BEST band ever. Don´t asume things just by reading some comments. You don´t know the person behind it.....cheers
@@metalswifty23 Name one better...
@@ErebosTalia There's a significant difference between having an opinion, and outright making a statement.
Far Beyond Driven is Pantera’s masterpiece.
i think vulgar display of power represents them better that's the one i'd recommend to someone wanting to get into the band
I'm forever partial to Cowboys from Hell ... and Great Southern Trendkill. But I love all of their albums
Every album from Cowboys from Hell to Reinventing the Steel is a masterpiece
One of the first truly heavy albums I owned, and at like 14-15 years old it was unbelievably extreme to me. Haven't really listened to Pantera for a long time now, but props to them for putting this out when many of the popular metal bands were going through their 'sellout' phase.
yup.. know that feeling.. 1st album i bought was Cheryl Crow - sucked. Then got Smashmouth.. meh..use of guitars etc. in a rock way. Then got Vulgar display of power randomly - Life was forever changed for the better.
This video gave me goosebumps. Still one of my all-time favorite albums. RIP Dime & Vinnie.
Pantera is easily one of the best bands in the history of man.
Edit-god mutha fucking daaaamn!
@Eighty Seven Best opening track EVER!
Fukn right.
Well said Sir 🔥
Without a doubt 🤘
@Eighty Seven well any death doom is 10 times heavier
I remember seeing Pantera, Sepultura and Biohazard when they came on tour for this album. Pantera is the best ever to do it in my opinion. R.I.P Vinnie and Dime yall are truly missed
Don’t care what anyone says Pantera IS THE GREATEST METAL BAND OF ALL TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of the best.
PanterA is up there with Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, and Slayer in my book
They marked history of heavy music, as did the ones you mentionned!
Nearly up there.... Not quiet... But almost..
@@emmanuelmasih2296 Nah Pantera is better than any of those.
@@emmanuelmasih2296 Pantera is better than Judas, but Black Sabbath and Slayer are on another level imo. Much more iconic bands to metal as a whole
Yes Pantera are one of the Metal Gods
5 Minutes will always be my favorite Pantera song. The end minute an half to that song is just epic!!!!
Dime & Vinnie will never know how much they are missed.
...and now I'm gonna get my Far Beyond Driven CD, get in my car, crank up the stero, and I won't stop driving & headbanging until it's done!
I was already a Metalhead when "Vulgar...." came out. When we all first listened to the records, we were confused: no thrash, no death, no rock, no blues, no classic.... no labels. They were just PANTERA. And the more we listened, the more we loved. live they were killers, and they were just 4 On stage. simply incredible. Nobody will have figured that the sequel would have been even heavier....but it was. personally there is nothing that i like more than vulgar on Pantera's roster, but all which is related to Pantera is simply History.
I'm so happy to be alive in time that the greatest metal band in the world existed, there will be no other than the mighty Pantera!
Far Beyond Driven arrived shortly after I'd gotten into metal and it blew my mind. I was only 15 at the time but I remember it like it was yesterday and it laid waste to anything I'd ever heard up to that point. I will always have a soft spot for the 80s Metallica records but Pantera blew the f***ing doors off, man!
I bought the album on the day of its release. That opening track hit me like a punch in the face.
Seriously! Strength beyond Strength is one of the best openers of ANY metal album. Pantera or not.
Same. Partied with Pantera that same year backstage on the FBD tour. Fucking epic times.
@@plumbummusic2051 Totally BRUTAL!
Pantera really is like getting punched in the face. They should have made an album cover expressing that! J/K!
Far Beyond Driven turns 30 years old.
My favoite Pantera album easily. Lamb of god is also a band that hasn't really shifted that much more than a natural progression.
For me Sacrament was Lamb of God’s pinnacle album. Resolution and VII Sturm und Drang was ok…
@@frostedcupcakes2670 agreed. I've recently been hooked om wrath. Never gave it much of a listen but man. Tons of hits anf has some sacrament sounds to it
Pantera is Lamb Of God Father
LoG are masters in the art of the riff.
Their 2020 self titled also rips
2 favorite bands of all time. 🤘
'Crazy but simple beats' on Becoming? I can still remember hearing that double kick drum groove for the first time, and being utterly floored by it.
I remembered that i played Mouth for War as loud as i could and smashing the pillow( couldn’t smash the furnitures as my mom would kill me 😂). Best days of my life.
I miss Dime and Vinnie so bad. I got to meet them One time a few months before Dime was murdered... they were so friendly and really respected all their fans.
Phil is so underrated, he is the power of Pantera, their backbone and balls. Without him they would at first never success and never be such a trendkill. Ave Phil Anselmo ! Whatever anyone may say, he is and will be my idol.
I doubt anyone that really knows Pantera music under rates the guy.
Dime was a one of a kind guitar player. Nobody could ever come close to sounding like him, and even after almost 20 years after his death, nobody has and we probably never will see another like him. That's why he's one of if not the best metal guitarist to have walked the earth.
Pantera is timeless!!!…🤙😎🤘
Brilliantttttttttttt work by Jared Linnen!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks man!!!!!!!!!!! The Great Southern Trendkill is my fav Pantera album!!!
That’s one of the coolest vids I’ve seen on the FBD album. Every song on that album hit you hard in many different ways. Rip dime and Vince 🔥🤘🎸
Cannibal Corpse still going strong. Don't care if that's not your thing, they're amazing. Alex Webster is a legend and keeps it going. Extreme metal will never die. It's the 'Jazz' of the modern world for those that get it.
Check out 200 stab wounds.
They still put on one hell of a show. Some things just stay good, and Cannibal Corpse seems to be one of them.
CC is a great live band as well. Ive been in some killer shows of em. They never disappoint.
I like seeing metal bands standing still regardless of generation, whether one band is likeable or not...long live metal!! \m/
CC has gotten better with age.
0:47 Exhorder are widely credited for inventing the groove metal sound, a band which Pantera became heavily influenced by. Pantera just made it popular.
Absolutely!!.
They never got the credit they deserved.
We've heard this one for 25 years. Only internet nerds care.
Wrong, Pantera did it better
Thank you !
the members of pantera had more talent in their toenails shut up
This album was the first compact disc I'd ever bought. Hadn't ever bought a Pantera album before. One of the best decisions I ever made. Using My 3rd Arm, still drives me out of my mind.
"There is nothing mellow in this album at all"
Planet Caravan "AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"
Absolute Kings of Metal !!! If you had to define Heavy Metal to a being from another planet, just point at these dudes!
Nice, Finally I find something that I have been declaring for years as the best metal album of all time. Pantera will always be No.1
I'm so glad I had the opportunity to see them live 4x!
What I love about being Texan. They’ve done the Lone Star State proud. I’ve known people that have had personal experiences with the Abbott family. Favorite Pantera song is Piss
Still my favorite Metal band of all time. I love lots of great bands, but they hold a special place in my heart.
Idem
I just wrote a long comment on a weight lifting channel.
I wrote that Pantera is the most important band in world history.
Rest in peace dime bag rest in peace vinny
The fuck? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I mean, Pantera gives me an extra 20 pounds to my bench press so makes sense
Can be your favourite band but to say they're the most important band ever is just beyond stupid
They’re my go to weightlifting music too lol. Deadlifting to TGSTK is unreal.
Pantera fuels my workouts
Why does modern media still perpetuate the myth that grunge and metal were such segregated genres??? (it really wasn't). Ever hear TAD, Gruntruck, Wickerman, Helmet, Skin Yard, Nirvana 'Bleach'. Failure, Reign Sanction, L7, The Melvins, Hum, Soundgarden, Rollins Band, Smile, Alice In Chains, Danzig??? (All pretty heavy, talented, and respected bands among many metal fans ). And again...0:36 there's that annoying belief of "metal was dead'' in the 90s BS (???) The reality was that the 'well-known' and overrated Metallica sold out and other/better bands shared the spotlight (Pantera, White Zombie, Prong, Sepultura, Crowbar, Ministry, Slayer, Fear Factory, Life of Agony, Type O Negative, Nailbomb, Biohazard, Obituary, Napalm Death, Carcass, Fudge Tunnel, Mundane, Filter, Down, Corrosion of Conformity, Paradise Lost, Dearly Beheaded, Pist On, etc). Maybe Loudwire should make a video about MTV(NYC) cancelling the existence of Pantera in 1996 after MTV News ran 'concerning' stories of homophobic slurs, rants of racial hypocrisy, and 'crude' behavior (ha) at Pantera's live performances in 1995??? I saw it and I remember. NYC-style 'cancel culture' has been around longer than you think...it's pretty funny how rap and R&B music suddenly replaced entire genres of guitar-based music on mainstream outlets by 1998 (after nearly 50 years). Oh, but the new 'metal generation' was force-fed homeboy-clowns Limp Bizkit, Korn, and Good Charlotte...bands that were all basically hip-hop with guitars...poster-boys posing on low-rider bikes with gold chained necklaces for small-town teenage girls who were too far removed from the charlatan mu$ic indu$try was imposing on the masses (if you get my drift). That's the truth about 90s metal. I was there...Loudwire apparently wasn't.
I remember when The Great Southern Trendkill came out I was worried that they might go soft. I reluctantly put the disk in and hit play. RWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARR!!!
4:26 "crazy but simple beats" lol fire the writer
That scream at the end!❤️❤️ Pantera forever! RIP Dime & Vinnie!💔💔
Phil really came into his lyrical own here and continuing into Trendkill, and don’t even get me started on the Down album that came in between. Those years right before his first death are untouchable.
Not to put a damper on the situation, but Damageplan felt kind of mellow in comparison to Pantera. However, Phil's other projects were almost never mellow and often more thrashy and heavier. Rex has also mellowed out.
Imo Phil doesn't get enough credit for keeping Pantera on the heavy path.
No, he doesn't and he is the reason for their style change that made them famous to begin with. Sure the other 3 were awesome at their instruments but, they were just a well known bar band before he joined.
@@brandonjohnson191 But phil wasn't even in any band worth mentioning before Pantera. Everything worked when he joined. If it was just phil then why none of his non Pantera bands sounded good or succeeded like Pantera? Point is Pantera was a group effort and everybody contributed their part.
@@indianmilitary Phil was 19 when he joined Pantera. Not being in a successful band before 19 is totally acceptable. Actually, being in a successful band at 19 is quite an amazing feat.
Down is probably one of the greatest metal super groups of all time. I would think that's pretty successful. All Phil's other projects are way too heavy and dark to see the type of commercial success Pantera ever did.
@@indianmilitary Neither were the others, Pantera was a glam band before Phil joined and I specifically said the other 3 members were great at their parts, they should have been, they played together for a decade before he joined too.
Yes, it took all 4 to create what they became but, he was the dominant influence on their change of style that led to that creation
Then there's the fact that the brothers had Damage Plan and Phil has DOWN.... There's no comparison there.
FBD was my favorite album them. I remember when I first heard that riff on “I’m Broken” and I listen to that song over and over. I met Vinnie a few times at various concerts and such in Dallas. He just hung out in the crowd with everyone, real cool dude.
These guys single handedly saved heavy metal.
I'd even say they created the metal we call metal today.
@@yommmrr They most definitely paved the way.
@HEY!YO!IT'S!RAZORCLA(E)W by sounding good. Cannibal corpse and death metal as a whole is basically niche(definitely was then). How many young metal dudes chop away on out of tune guitars to hammer smashed face?
None.
Walk, on the other hand? Most.
@HEY!YO!IT'S!RAZORCLA(E)W Pantera inspired that sound. Nobody was doing what Dimebag was doing
@HEY!YO!IT'S!RAZORCLA(E)W walk on home boy
I bought that album when i was 11 on it's day of release, i had a dentist apointement and my mother told me that if i had no issues i could get a new CD... ...went in the music store, listened to some of the various artists they had on the "listening posts" and i heard "Becoming" for the first time of my life. Will forever remember that day, as the day i discovered Pantera. And to this day even after dwelling in more extreme forms of metal, either listening or playing, Pantera is still my favorite band ever. RIP Dime and Vinny, love you guys.
Pantera is the best band ever
Fight me
I will! I love PanfuckingterA! Best Goddamn band ever
DAMN STRAIGHT 🤘🥃👊
I agree
I’ll give you 5 minutes alone 😉
@@Xbox4life457 😂 damn straight 🤘
6:38 bro that harmonic squeal during domination in Moscow is one of the most legendary guitar moments of all time.
Pantera is an underrated band among "real" Metalheads. They have fantastic songs yet most of them snob them. Their brake downs are really hard not to love.
@Bradley Tibbetts Underrated doesn't mean unheard of, it means underappreciated.
When I got into metal Pantera were looked at as being an entry level metal band, and i noticed once people got into metal they didn't want to listen to entry level bands.
Being an entry level band is a huge compliment to the music they make in my opinion.
It’s because at the time, pantera was a Kyle band, not too far away from something like 5fdp
Pantera saved metal in the 90's. I got to see Pantera once, open for Black Sabbath ,in Las Vegas, in 1999. Saw them from the balcony .
Bunch of posers
R.I.P DImebag Darrell and his Brother Vinnie Paul... \m/
God I miss Pantera so damn much! 😢
One of the Greatest Heavy Metal Bands Of All Time!!
🖤 Sleep in Peace DIME & VINNEY🖤
Unpopular opinion: I enjoy so much watching these kind of videos.
Pantera had a night of
"Heavy drinking" ???
Big part of my youth. Lucky enough to see them live twice.
I miss Dime and Vinnie R.I.P. Legends🤘🏼
Bought this during lunch my sophomore year of high school. Blew my mind…..still unmatched to this day!
man, we need dimebag back down here
@Sleezy_Q Gary Holt.
@Sleezy_Q man, that’s true.. there will never be a replacement whatsoever for him. he was so unique..
@Sleezy_Q That's not proof that Dimebag writes better riffs and solos, it's just proof that Pantera is more popular than Exodus. Believe me, many of Gary Holt's riffs are as good or better than Dimebag's, just look at The Toxic Waltz, or A Lesson in Violence, or Strike of the Beast.
@Sleezy_Q I just took a look at all 4 of those songs, and honestly none of them are as memorable as the 3 examples I listed. Dimebag may have written good riffs but he is by no means the best riff/solo writer in all of metal.
@Sleezy_Q I've listened to Dimebag's riffs before, I just didn't immediately remember which ones you were referring to. Cowboys from Hell is undoubtedly a very memorable riff, but I do not think it is infinitely better than Holt's riffs. Dimebag's most famous riffs might be a bit better, but Holt is so consistent writing crushing thrash riffs that I think he wins out. I also don't know who you hang out with, but Dimebag is by far not the most worshipped guitarist/riff writer in metal. Most guitarists would likely consider Tony Iommi, Kerry King, Scott Ian, and James Hetfield, Dave Mustaine, and Gary Holt to be more accomplished guitarists than Dimebag.
" no more the small one, the weak one, the frightened one." bro those lyrics carried me through so much as a kid.
The best concerts I've been are Pantera's. Just heavy music.
With the passing of Vinnie & Dime (RIP to both), Pantera became the stuff of LEGEND & their Albums instant CLASSICS!!
You know there’s that one Metal fan somewhere saying,
“ Hey ! What about Electric Cockhead’s debut album “rise from the Anal Cavity of 1000 souls” from 1992 ?!?!!
😂😂😂
This was a fucking great video. I could watch an hour long video that goes into great depth of the albums like this. Keep shit like this coming.
Was and Always will be The Greatest Heavy Metal band of my generation🤘All Hail PANTERA 🍺
My first concert ever was on the Far Beyond Tour. Astro Arena Houston, TX. The impact of that show is immeasurable.
My favorite band ever! The best, most unique metal band ever! 🔥🤘🔥
Fantastic video guys! Very well put together.
5 minutes alone is their best song. 🤟
I'd say "this love" . so good.
Plz just give me..... 👊
@@DR.DisInfect 5 dollars for gas.
Id say drag the waters
@@michaeltodd2923 so you only need 1 gallon ⛽ 🤔
I think one of the things that was addressed here that often goes unnoticed is the impact Phil's health had on the band ... Most people will experience a hard point in their lives and they'll become soft and or develope a victim mentality and Phil's reaction to vulnerability was pure rage he was absolutely pissed and it took a already very heavy band and completely pushed them over the edge and many bands have tried to replicate that sound but without the experiences Phil had and his messed up way of thinking you can't have what Pantera had ... I'll always say Dime was the greatest guitarists ever I truly believe Vinny was a musical mastermind and props to Rex for keeping up but Phil for a window of time was the absolute best vocalists I'd ever heard and he rarely gets enough credit for it
Fucking a right!!! He was just raw vocal power enraged!!
@@jasonyoung4926 like I'm not here to argue about if he was a good person or if he messed the band up ... That's a different conversation for another time
But Phil as a vocalist was a absolute monster you could take almost any other vocalist at any point in their career and put them up again Phil and let's be real ... You wouldn't be able to say many guys were better with a straight face
This album is a masterpiece
1:20 Planet Caravan?