Dance is such an on-character casting for the role of Tywin. There's a lot of subtleties at play here. -He uses appropriate royal terms, but does not bow to Joffrey. -Joffrey complains about the Small Council meetings, which he does not attend. -Tywin DOES attend, and uses the same argument of travel time for ACTUAL work. -When spoken to in a demanding way, he steps forward; causing Joffrey to recoil slightly. -Tywin is tall, he towers over Joffrey (great camera work) -The symbol of the Hand of the King is worn at an angle, not upright. -Tywin leans into Joffrey being a child, telling him he can be "carried" if desired. -Joffrey, petulant little sadist that he is, correctly brings attention to a potential threat. -One of Tywin's few, but blatant, weaknesses is exposed. Concerned only with the here and now. -Scene ends with Tywin not waiting to be dismissed. He pauses twice, readjusting himself to the center steps. All this in 3 freaking minutes. 1 min of which is done in complete silence.
Well spotted! I noticed another when he is entering with the kingsguard, he pauses briefly and they stop behind him and follow no further. They would do this for almost no one else and be right behind them all the way up to the king, but they know who he is
Only if Tywin came by his own volition to counsel his king on the matter at that moment. Otherwise it falls flat and speaks against him as being negligent.
He was immature and placed upon the Iron throne due to heritage, not necessarily skill and knowledge! He’s still very young though and as is the case with most figures as such he is a virtual ornament!
@@claudiuflorea2090Really? You think that was any less than as obvious as a wooden beams you are beaten to death with? It must be really easy to manipulate you then.
Yes. By doing that and joffrey not ordering him to be instantly killed for just walking up the steps to the throne, he asserted his dominance in power over him.
No. He was simply making a point....the point being how easy it was to climb a few stairs, and how ridiculous it was to have just said that shit. Watch it again.
@@SelfHatingLionsFanTwo things can be true at once. This was clearly conveying Tywin's dominance in the conversation, while also showing the idiocy of Joffery's concerns.
@@Inebriated_Goat if joffrey called for tywins execution nothing would happen, tywin pays the kingsguard, and the guards, and the executioners lol it's why joffrey knows not to fuck with him, tywin is THE most powerful man in westeros
Really goes to show how dangerous Tywin is. That someone like Joffrey who treats all his peers and comrades like rats is so polite to his grandfather😂😂
ّJoffrey: complaining about potentially having to walk up stairs to attend council meetingّ Do you think he is care! this is just show of power and who is wielding! it
There is a moment where Tywin truly could have fostered actual wherewithal in his grandson to learn what it takes to be a king and instead he uses it to dab on him. Because he didn't want Joffery to be a king, he wanted Joffery to be a puppet.
Yes, and it's so subtle. When I read the books and got to Tywin's death, I thought that the Lannisters will now be in trouble, When Tywin dies in the show, I thought, "will this be worth watching without Charles Dance?". It really was not. No actor filled the screen like he did.
I mean, that's the thing isn't it? He *did* have a right to know, be concerned, and be involved... Yet Tywin was right in prodding him to be more proactive and less of a whiner, to push him more towards being the sort of king that doesn't need to remind people why he is. As much as he's throwing shade and putting him in his place, he's letting him figure out for himself that he *does* need to be involved for his own sake.
Tywin's dismissal of that threat was not unreasonable though. By his best knowledge dragons would need many years to grow, and they had more immediate problems. Also the last dragons the Seven Kingdoms had seen were ptiful mishappen creatures the size of a dog.
Joffrey was also right in Season 1 about the concept of a national army loyal to the executive branch and abolishing random people's legal right to raise an army. He quite literally would've revolutionised Westeros by doing that and Cersei told him it was a dumb idea because small folk would never be loyal to the crown over their lords. Joffrey was right lol. I think the purpose of showing us these kinds of things to shoe Joffrey does possess Tywin and Tyrion's political instincts. He would just never apply his craft, therefore his understanding is shallow. He's evil and short sighted. Not stupid per se.
I love it when Tywin walked up and the stairs and Joffrey had to look up to him, a realisation that the power had shifted and was in fact always this way.
I love how in the moments where Joffrey is actually being smart he’s mostly shot down but when he’s being sadistic and insane everybody is basically fine with it
He was so sure of himself when being a sadistic prat, and also his sadism had zero implications on anyone other than what was right in front of him. In actual kingly duties he was meek and unsure, but weirdly correct but no one cared because of his attitude
Yep That boy was immature, psychopathic and cruel. But he wasn't dumb. He was the only one concerned with the dragons (and he was right about that), he was also the one who had the idea to create one army (as opposed to each kingdom having their own) trained to be faithful only to the Crown. He also understood Cersei's manipulation tactics and put her in her place more than once. He appreciated Margaery's more subtle ways of manipulating him and allowed her to do so. He wasn't stupid and, maybe, with Margaery by his side, he would have become a good king. And Cersei wouldn't have had the guts to kill Margaery and the rest. Tommen was too soft, had she done that while Joffrey was still alive, he would have executed her.
@@Ariana-wv4pf You're giving him far too much credit. He didn't realise that Margaery was manipulating him; if he did he would have hurt her. Cersei being unable to manipulate him doesn't credit Joffrey's intelligence at all considering he was like a psychopathic wild dog who could only be put in his place by tywin. Joffrey's idea to create a army loyal to the crown and prevent other kingdoms from having an army is impractical. Joffrey had no hope of becoming a good king with margaery by his side lol, he will eventually grow bored of her and hurt her or do something stupid to satisfy his sadistic desires like the wild dog he is.
@@Complexcore-lz8de He was definitely the smartest of the Lannister children, that´s for sure. He had the potential to be a decent king at least, but the upbringing he received was just plain shit. He got pretty much the worst possible combination of parents. An absent father combined with an over-indulgent mother. The former fueled his insecurities, while the latter repeatedly tolerated his outbursts caused by said insecurities. Combine that with absolute power and you inevitably get a monster. Many psychopaths are extremely successful, especially in leadership positions, but it´s usually those who have learned to keep their lack of emotion in check. Joffrey never learned to do that.
2:40 this line shows that Varys had been actively misinforming Tywin about the nature of Dany's dragons in order to keep his attention away from the matter. This might be the only time where from a strategic point of view, Joffrey is right and Tywin is wrong.
Varys then proceeds to accurately inform Tywin about Dany acquiring the unsullied and Barristan Selmy as an advisor following Joffrey’s demise. It may not have been so much on misinformation as it was that Varys needed more time for his sources to get the message to him.
"this line shows that Varys had been actively misinforming Tywin about the nature of Dany's dragons" Are you sure the dragons were proven to be a threat at that point? Early on, nobody even knew if the eggs could hatch, let alone that these dragons would grow to be the size of ancient ones.
@@TheMisterGuy Actually, Tywin is right. In the world of GOT (both the books and the show) -Baby Dragons take years to grow and almost decades to reach the heights that Balerion or Vhagar did. Balerion for instance was already around 100 years at the time of Aegon's conquest. I think Meraxes and Vhagar were around 50-80 years old - I can't remember their exact age. As GOT does not have internet and the spies who pass information from one corner to other may take months, there is a strong chance the information Tywin got was at a time when Danny's Dragons were mere babies, smaller than your house pet.
@@aswinastro " In the world of GOT (both the books and the show) -Baby Dragons take years to grow and almost decades to reach the heights that Balerion or Vhagar did." But...in the show...Dany's dragons grew to massive size over a period of like, ten years. Are you saying that was highly unusual? I don't know if that's "full" size but they were enough that a single one of them could torch King's Landing and the Red Keep in a day. "As GOT does not have internet and the spies who pass information from one corner to other may take months" Ignoring how ravens seemed to operate at the speed of cell phones by the later seasons, that's fine with me, but Tywin would know that. Everyone would be accustomed to how long things take and if your spy in Essos says they saw something, you mentally add six months or whatever. You'd be in a world where you understand you're playing a very long, slow game with big delays in communication and travel time.
In by "being an actual king," you mean his concern about losing his power and throne to the rightful heirs and not the concerns of the actual people he's supposed to rule over and protect, then yes, you're right.
Tywin was the scariest with very few words.. smart and quick.. his only weakness is think was his hatred towards his son.. which ended him by his hands..
Charles Dance is such a magnificent actor! Him as Tywin is just perfect. When Charles Dance walks toward you with that typical mean look he has you just get shivers. Brilliant :D
Joffrey: complaining about potentially having to walk up stairs to attend council meetings he never attends Tywin: an old man, walking up a flight of stairs in Joffrey's direction without any complaining
To be fair though it's more about the symbolism than it is the actual walk. The small council works for the King, not the Hand, so they should meet in a position that's most convenient for the King, not the Hand. By having the small council meet in the Hand's tower Tywin is basically stating to everyone that he is in charge, not Joffrey. And he pretty much is. Joffrey is just a figurehead while Tywin is, for all intents and purposes, the real king of Westeros. Tywin, and the audience, may roll their eyes at Joffrey's poor excuse for not attending the small council meetings but he actively encourages this behavior. A real Hand of the King would be dragging Joffrey to these meetings while lecturing them about the importance of these meetings and how he is to lead them. Tywin doesn't actually want Joffrey to become more educated and a better ruler, because that would represent a direct threat to HIS power. Tywin is not the Hand of the King, he is the Shadow King.
didn't even ask if he was free to go, just left and mentioned "your grace" on the way out, as an afterthought. as if he forgot. but we know he didn't. the disrespect is real.
Yeah, he basically just walked up and scolded the king like a petulant child. Well, Jeffrey is just that, but still. Tywin enjoys that shit, he's a megalomaniac.
Explains how EQ is also quite important. Theres a lot of corporate stories how asshat people run companies into the ground simply due to nobody liking them
I used to think this was right but i saw a comment about how much fear they had for a powerless girl and essentially gave her power. If they hadn't tried to kill her and her baby she may have not wanted to be on the iron throne. She was happy with Khal Drogo. Her brother insisted on being king and she said herself she didn't want him to be. Even after Drogo died she could have been happy with her dragons just freeing slaves around her. Their fear of her is what gave her power and the desire to become Queen of King's Landing.
The brilliant thing is, Tywin didn't even have to make that walk. He could've said exactly the same thing from right where he was standing. The decision to walk up the steps and stand right up to the throne, forcing Joffrey to look up at him, was a calculated attempt at intimidation, and it was extremely effective.
There might be a storm of swords after that last clash of kings we had. After she comes with her dance of dragons there will be a feast for crows. The winds of Winter is coming
This is a scene that is always worth revisiting. One of the best in all of the show’s run. So many details worth analysing that show how powerful Tywin actually is from body language to tone of voice. Perfect scene.
Apparently the poor bastard couldn't go anywhere in public for months afterward because people would insult and abuse him, unable to distinguish him from the character he played in a fictional TV series. People can be reeeeeally stupid.
Agreed. As much as I hate Joffery, I also love the bastard. Jack Gleeson did an excellent job with the role, he did more than what was necessary, and it sucks that people can't see past the persona he put on for a TV role.
That pause in his gate to let the guards know that was far enough. That look on his face as he approaches the throne and again as he slowly makes his way up the steps. So fucking epic 👌
He doesn't have to raise his voice, threaten, or otherwise imply or resort to violence. All he had to do was walk quietly up those half-dozen steps, and he had that little blond twerp pissing his trousers. I love it.
"We could arranged to have you carried." That feels like the subtlest way of saying, "If you don't want your legs, we're free to make sure you won't get to."
Look, we all HATE Joffrey, but tbh, he’s actually the more rationale and intelligent person in this scene. Not even about seeing Daenerys as a potential threat, but even the conversation about where the meetings are held kind of exposes Tywin’s own ego, that even the king must work on his time and rules
Exactly. I've always wondered how Tywin would explain if Joffrey asked "So your time is more important than my own?" Such a direct accusation would be difficult to deflect, since no matter what Tywin can not admit that he holds more power than the king.
@@M.JWitteveen He should have asked Twyn the same questions in front of all of the court, I would think Twyn would not want to humilkliate his grandson in front of many people since it would look like he is more powerfull than the king.
Tywin became Hand of the King, the second most powerful man in the kingdoms, at the age of twenty and Lord of Casterly Rock by age twenty-five. He’s sixty-six here. The fact that he’s lived this long holding onto power proves he knew how to play the game
Tywin lannister is the only Human on westeros that make Joffrey watch his word whenever he speak. You can see the fear and respect in every sentence Joffrey said. Great actors, both of them.
2:14 that line has always got me Cause in season one Viserys explains to doreah when he was a boy he remembered that the throne room was lined with the skulls of the dragons and that the closer you got to the Iron Throne the bigger they got. Yet Tywin says here that the dragon skull close to the throne was the " size of an apple " Now real world me always just figure it was a continuity error. But in universe I always wondered who was telling the truth about the dragon skulls Viserys was only a boy, while Tywin was a younger man. But they both spent time in the Red Keep and both saw the throne room with the skulls Idk just a scene that can be seen so many ways.
Charles Dance's subtlety and brilliance at work here, but can we just take a moment to really appreciate Jack Gleeson's acting here? Kid's getting an acting masterclass, and keeping up without issue across an absolute legend.
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Dance is such an on-character casting for the role of Tywin. There's a lot of subtleties at play here.
-He uses appropriate royal terms, but does not bow to Joffrey.
-Joffrey complains about the Small Council meetings, which he does not attend.
-Tywin DOES attend, and uses the same argument of travel time for ACTUAL work.
-When spoken to in a demanding way, he steps forward; causing Joffrey to recoil slightly.
-Tywin is tall, he towers over Joffrey (great camera work)
-The symbol of the Hand of the King is worn at an angle, not upright.
-Tywin leans into Joffrey being a child, telling him he can be "carried" if desired.
-Joffrey, petulant little sadist that he is, correctly brings attention to a potential threat.
-One of Tywin's few, but blatant, weaknesses is exposed. Concerned only with the here and now.
-Scene ends with Tywin not waiting to be dismissed. He pauses twice, readjusting himself to the center steps.
All this in 3 freaking minutes. 1 min of which is done in complete silence.
Furthermore, I've seen entire 2.5h MOVIES do what I've seen in 3 mins here.
Well spotted! I noticed another when he is entering with the kingsguard, he pauses briefly and they stop behind him and follow no further. They would do this for almost no one else and be right behind them all the way up to the king, but they know who he is
Another thing you’ve missed: Tywin climbs the stairs dramatically, mirroring his stated “you can be carried up the stairs if you wish”
great observations but I think the hand pin is always worn askew like that (Ned & Tyrion)
What the hell happened in Season 8! D&D were perfectly capable of adapting and augmenting the books brilliantly. Such a shame.
“You are being counseled at this very moment.” Such a badass delivery.
Sounds like snape 😊😢
Only if Tywin came by his own volition to counsel his king on the matter at that moment. Otherwise it falls flat and speaks against him as being negligent.
I mean, Joffrey summoned him? So he was only being counselled because he demanded it
Right
He was immature and placed upon the Iron throne due to heritage, not necessarily skill and knowledge!
He’s still very young though and as is the case with most figures as such he is a virtual ornament!
Joffrey sitting back, worried his grandpa would bitch-slap him is gold. 🤣
Listen he knows how close and how often he gets the shit slapped out of him
Does that imply he might have slapped him before, and why Tyrion does it 😅
@@Guile1117yep, learned behavior.
I'm trying to remember but doesn't Robert talk about regularly smacking Joffrey ? Plus Tyrion
@@dylangatin7548 he does in the book
"Whenever nessesary" = "When i fucking feel like it!"
Remember he's to be "appropriately" counseled on "important" matters. They're is no less than 3 outs [EDIT: Tywin] gave himself.
Caught that too, was a sly attack that he knew Joffrey was too stupid to catch
@@newperveI was going to say the same thing
kuddos to you for catching it, you must be a good manipulator also 😅
@@claudiuflorea2090Really? You think that was any less than as obvious as a wooden beams you are beaten to death with? It must be really easy to manipulate you then.
@@unschuldshascherl ok, bye
I love how he walked up the steps so that he stood over Joffrey to imply that he was above him despite their stations.
Joffrey is the king, but Tywin is the money. The kingdom follows the latter over the former.
Yes. By doing that and joffrey not ordering him to be instantly killed for just walking up the steps to the throne, he asserted his dominance in power over him.
And he was.
No. He was simply making a point....the point being how easy it was to climb a few stairs, and how ridiculous it was to have just said that shit. Watch it again.
@@SelfHatingLionsFanTwo things can be true at once. This was clearly conveying Tywin's dominance in the conversation, while also showing the idiocy of Joffery's concerns.
“May I ask why?” Joffrey has never been that polite with anyone else
He knows not to f*** around with Tywin. He knows Tyron will hold a mask over his face, dispose of joffrey, and will plant Tommen on the iron throne
@@Inebriated_Goat if joffrey called for tywins execution nothing would happen, tywin pays the kingsguard, and the guards, and the executioners lol it's why joffrey knows not to fuck with him, tywin is THE most powerful man in westeros
Really goes to show how dangerous Tywin is. That someone like Joffrey who treats all his peers and comrades like rats is so polite to his grandfather😂😂
Because he knows better.
lol Fr I was like finally somebody that will put him in his place
Actually one of the few scenes where joffery is showing intelligence. He’s genuinely concerned about the issue to the east and how to solve it.
Sadly Tywin, in the process of trying to set his grandson straight, doesn't take him or the issue he raised seriously.
He should attend the meetings then
ّJoffrey: complaining about potentially having to walk up stairs to attend council meetingّ
Do you think he is care! this is just show of power and who is wielding! it
There is a moment where Tywin truly could have fostered actual wherewithal in his grandson to learn what it takes to be a king and instead he uses it to dab on him. Because he didn't want Joffery to be a king, he wanted Joffery to be a puppet.
hes genuinly goncerned abouit hbit grandpa
The pause before “whenever necessary” changes the meaning entirely. Brilliant.
Bravo vince
@@maggoteater2290
Wrong show lol
“Whenever I feel like it” lol
Tywin stopping to stop the kingsguard following him screams power.
Yes, and it's so subtle. When I read the books and got to Tywin's death, I thought that the Lannisters will now be in trouble, When Tywin dies in the show, I thought, "will this be worth watching without Charles Dance?". It really was not. No actor filled the screen like he did.
I didn’t even notice that……everything about him showed how intimidating his presence was.
That's a great point!!! Tywin was the real king at this point, anyway.
Loved that little bit
Wow, I missed that subtlety. Thank s for mentioning it.
Charles Dance has such a commanding presence on screen. Great actor
Tywin definitely showed him his place, but Joffrey was right about Daenerys becoming a problem.
hindsight
I mean, that's the thing isn't it? He *did* have a right to know, be concerned, and be involved... Yet Tywin was right in prodding him to be more proactive and less of a whiner, to push him more towards being the sort of king that doesn't need to remind people why he is. As much as he's throwing shade and putting him in his place, he's letting him figure out for himself that he *does* need to be involved for his own sake.
Tywin's dismissal of that threat was not unreasonable though. By his best knowledge dragons would need many years to grow, and they had more immediate problems. Also the last dragons the Seven Kingdoms had seen were ptiful mishappen creatures the size of a dog.
Joffrey was also right in Season 1 about the concept of a national army loyal to the executive branch and abolishing random people's legal right to raise an army. He quite literally would've revolutionised Westeros by doing that and Cersei told him it was a dumb idea because small folk would never be loyal to the crown over their lords. Joffrey was right lol. I think the purpose of showing us these kinds of things to shoe Joffrey does possess Tywin and Tyrion's political instincts. He would just never apply his craft, therefore his understanding is shallow. He's evil and short sighted. Not stupid per se.
But neither of them had to worry about her by the time she became a real threat 😂
I love it when Tywin walked up and the stairs and Joffrey had to look up to him, a realisation that the power had shifted and was in fact always this way.
the way this Tywin carries himself is goals, hes the leader in any conversation
I love how in the moments where Joffrey is actually being smart he’s mostly shot down but when he’s being sadistic and insane everybody is basically fine with it
He was so sure of himself when being a sadistic prat, and also his sadism had zero implications on anyone other than what was right in front of him. In actual kingly duties he was meek and unsure, but weirdly correct but no one cared because of his attitude
Yep
That boy was immature, psychopathic and cruel.
But he wasn't dumb. He was the only one concerned with the dragons (and he was right about that), he was also the one who had the idea to create one army (as opposed to each kingdom having their own) trained to be faithful only to the Crown.
He also understood Cersei's manipulation tactics and put her in her place more than once. He appreciated Margaery's more subtle ways of manipulating him and allowed her to do so.
He wasn't stupid and, maybe, with Margaery by his side, he would have become a good king. And Cersei wouldn't have had the guts to kill Margaery and the rest. Tommen was too soft, had she done that while Joffrey was still alive, he would have executed her.
@Ariana-wv4pf if joffery were alive the high sparrow would never have made it to power. I can see him shipping cersei off once she annoyed him.
@@Ariana-wv4pf You're giving him far too much credit. He didn't realise that Margaery was manipulating him; if he did he would have hurt her. Cersei being unable to manipulate him doesn't credit Joffrey's intelligence at all considering he was like a psychopathic wild dog who could only be put in his place by tywin.
Joffrey's idea to create a army loyal to the crown and prevent other kingdoms from having an army is impractical.
Joffrey had no hope of becoming a good king with margaery by his side lol, he will eventually grow bored of her and hurt her or do something stupid to satisfy his sadistic desires like the wild dog he is.
@@Complexcore-lz8de He was definitely the smartest of the Lannister children, that´s for sure. He had the potential to be a decent king at least, but the upbringing he received was just plain shit. He got pretty much the worst possible combination of parents. An absent father combined with an over-indulgent mother. The former fueled his insecurities, while the latter repeatedly tolerated his outbursts caused by said insecurities. Combine that with absolute power and you inevitably get a monster. Many psychopaths are extremely successful, especially in leadership positions, but it´s usually those who have learned to keep their lack of emotion in check. Joffrey never learned to do that.
Tywin did the Bane from Dark Knight Rises: “Do you feel like you’re in charge?”
Really?
@@kalvin187douglas 🤦🏻
Bane?
Joffrey: I've paid you a small fortune
Tywin: No you didn't, you're not even supposed to be the king.
Joffrey: "I've been very busy, many important matters require King's attention."
Tywin: *("Bullshit.")* "...of course."
One of Tywin's ways of dominating people is by towering over them like that.
The one time joffrey actually got it right.🐉🐲
2:40 this line shows that Varys had been actively misinforming Tywin about the nature of Dany's dragons in order to keep his attention away from the matter. This might be the only time where from a strategic point of view, Joffrey is right and Tywin is wrong.
Varys then proceeds to accurately inform Tywin about Dany acquiring the unsullied and Barristan Selmy as an advisor following Joffrey’s demise. It may not have been so much on misinformation as it was that Varys needed more time for his sources to get the message to him.
"this line shows that Varys had been actively misinforming Tywin about the nature of Dany's dragons"
Are you sure the dragons were proven to be a threat at that point? Early on, nobody even knew if the eggs could hatch, let alone that these dragons would grow to be the size of ancient ones.
@@TheMisterGuy Actually, Tywin is right. In the world of GOT (both the books and the show) -Baby Dragons take years to grow and almost decades to reach the heights that Balerion or Vhagar did. Balerion for instance was already around 100 years at the time of Aegon's conquest. I think Meraxes and Vhagar were around 50-80 years old - I can't remember their exact age. As GOT does not have internet and the spies who pass information from one corner to other may take months, there is a strong chance the information Tywin got was at a time when Danny's Dragons were mere babies, smaller than your house pet.
@@aswinastro " In the world of GOT (both the books and the show) -Baby Dragons take years to grow and almost decades to reach the heights that Balerion or Vhagar did."
But...in the show...Dany's dragons grew to massive size over a period of like, ten years. Are you saying that was highly unusual? I don't know if that's "full" size but they were enough that a single one of them could torch King's Landing and the Red Keep in a day.
"As GOT does not have internet and the spies who pass information from one corner to other may take months"
Ignoring how ravens seemed to operate at the speed of cell phones by the later seasons, that's fine with me, but Tywin would know that. Everyone would be accustomed to how long things take and if your spy in Essos says they saw something, you mentally add six months or whatever. You'd be in a world where you understand you're playing a very long, slow game with big delays in communication and travel time.
Plus, even without Tywin two of the dragons died ... if he lived, they would not have set foot on Westeros...
Can we all agree that Tywin is pure class even when he doesn't say anything. Man's got the presence of a true king 👏👏👏👏👏
One of the few times Joffrey showed interest in being an actual king.
In by "being an actual king," you mean his concern about losing his power and throne to the rightful heirs and not the concerns of the actual people he's supposed to rule over and protect, then yes, you're right.
@@brjdencrewe1922 Stannis will always be the rightful heir ❤️🔥🦌
@@brjdencrewe1922 stannis will always be the rightful heir ❤️🔥🦌
@@brjdencrewe1922 You just described all absolute Monarchies
This scene was masterful. It conveyed so much about the power dynamic with such little details.
Tywin was the scariest with very few words.. smart and quick.. his only weakness is think was his hatred towards his son.. which ended him by his hands..
Tywin should have kiled tyrion
As a power move tywin farted on the way down the stairs.
This is now canon
Maybe this was his horse in disguise.
"you will marry that fart"
@thegrimmretails3777 I appreciate this picture, thank you 😂😂😂
Twice......
Charles Dance is such a magnificent actor! Him as Tywin is just perfect. When Charles Dance walks toward you with that typical mean look he has you just get shivers. Brilliant :D
Joffrey: complaining about potentially having to walk up stairs to attend council meetings he never attends
Tywin: an old man, walking up a flight of stairs in Joffrey's direction without any complaining
To be fair though it's more about the symbolism than it is the actual walk. The small council works for the King, not the Hand, so they should meet in a position that's most convenient for the King, not the Hand. By having the small council meet in the Hand's tower Tywin is basically stating to everyone that he is in charge, not Joffrey. And he pretty much is. Joffrey is just a figurehead while Tywin is, for all intents and purposes, the real king of Westeros.
Tywin, and the audience, may roll their eyes at Joffrey's poor excuse for not attending the small council meetings but he actively encourages this behavior. A real Hand of the King would be dragging Joffrey to these meetings while lecturing them about the importance of these meetings and how he is to lead them. Tywin doesn't actually want Joffrey to become more educated and a better ruler, because that would represent a direct threat to HIS power. Tywin is not the Hand of the King, he is the Shadow King.
@@alexblake5369even Viserys did more to train Rhaenyra than Tywin did with Joffrey.
didn't even ask if he was free to go, just left and mentioned "your grace" on the way out, as an afterthought. as if he forgot. but we know he didn't.
the disrespect is real.
the main cast in this show are so great. Jack as joffery played his role so well. People hated him so much they sent him death threats!
The smirk on Tywin's face as he walks away is perfect.
Yeah, he basically just walked up and scolded the king like a petulant child. Well, Jeffrey is just that, but still. Tywin enjoys that shit, he's a megalomaniac.
Wow Joeffrey has an enlightenment moment here. Asking very good questions!!
I love the imposing camera angle! 😂
Poor old Joffrey. He ended up being right about the biggest thing of all, but because he was such a sob no one listened to him😁
Explains how EQ is also quite important. Theres a lot of corporate stories how asshat people run companies into the ground simply due to nobody liking them
I used to think this was right but i saw a comment about how much fear they had for a powerless girl and essentially gave her power. If they hadn't tried to kill her and her baby she may have not wanted to be on the iron throne. She was happy with Khal Drogo. Her brother insisted on being king and she said herself she didn't want him to be. Even after Drogo died she could have been happy with her dragons just freeing slaves around her. Their fear of her is what gave her power and the desire to become Queen of King's Landing.
"we could arranged to have you carried" 😂😂😂 I love how he had to walk right up next to Joffrey so he could say it directly to his face.
The brilliant thing is, Tywin didn't even have to make that walk. He could've said exactly the same thing from right where he was standing.
The decision to walk up the steps and stand right up to the throne, forcing Joffrey to look up at him, was a calculated attempt at intimidation, and it was extremely effective.
He basically said "boy, I'll kill you!" 😂
@@DaxTheRipperXNegative, it was moreso, who do you think I am? You ain't running ISH, I am.
Joffery understands how powerful his grandfather is
I don’t care what anyone says, Tywin Lannister is the best there ever was.
My favorite character in the entire series.
I hate Tywin
@@ShoTyme we need tywin arc where is displayed his rise to power and his battles on battlefield
@@AEGIS-RED-MEGA-VIEWSWhich young actor could pull off the gravitas of Charles Dance?
Even his presence without say something shows how the king fears tywin
“Grandfather, you’re treating this like a game of thrones. If we don’t do something, it will be a house of the dragon.”
Wow. Powerful dialogue.
There might be a storm of swords after that last clash of kings we had. After she comes with her dance of dragons there will be a feast for crows. The winds of Winter is coming
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I guess you could say the Song of Ice and Fire was the friends we made along the way
This is a scene that is always worth revisiting. One of the best in all of the show’s run. So many details worth analysing that show how powerful Tywin actually is from body language to tone of voice. Perfect scene.
i love how when he enters the room and the kingsguard walks behind him he stops for a moment letting them know to stop following him
I swear i love Tywins swagger. The actor perfectly portrays that.
@3:24 Joffery thinking, who the fuck is the King amongst us ? 😂
I think we all know who was really ruling and who’s just keeping that sharp seat warm
what a show of power by Tywin Lannister. stunning.
Such an amazing actor who plays as Joffrey. Too bad the internet is such a bad place and very ungrateful
Personally the best actor in the series
@@moviedigest1 I agree. If I was given a chance to meet that actor, I would shake his hands and say "your role as Joffrey is magnificent"
Apparently the poor bastard couldn't go anywhere in public for months afterward because people would insult and abuse him, unable to distinguish him from the character he played in a fictional TV series.
People can be reeeeeally stupid.
Agreed. As much as I hate Joffery, I also love the bastard. Jack Gleeson did an excellent job with the role, he did more than what was necessary, and it sucks that people can't see past the persona he put on for a TV role.
@@andyroobrick-a-brack9355 He is so good that he fools the people
Lowkey moment when Tywin walks up the steps, showing how easy it is. To walk up the stairs, and for Joffrey’s facade of power to fade away
That pause in his gate to let the guards know that was far enough. That look on his face as he approaches the throne and again as he slowly makes his way up the steps. So fucking epic 👌
The filming..camera position showing him tower over looking down...tjen turning his back and walking away...brilliant.
He doesn't have to raise his voice, threaten, or otherwise imply or resort to violence. All he had to do was walk quietly up those half-dozen steps, and he had that little blond twerp pissing his trousers.
I love it.
Mr Dance was perfect in his role as Tywin.
💯 absolutely!
"We could arranged to have you carried."
That feels like the subtlest way of saying, "If you don't want your legs, we're free to make sure you won't get to."
Tywin climbing the steps without saying a word and then looming over Joffrey even had me intimidated 😂
1:07 Tywin, the inventor of Homeoffice.
😂 I love that
Joffery in this scene was totally right. He was also right in season 1 when he told his mother about having a standing royal army.
Both are terrific actors
I wish we'd seen more confrontations like this between these two actors, both were/are amazing in every scene.
The way they encase the shot of Charles ascending the throne with fire on each side and ramp up the sound effect was beautiful
Joffrey Baratheon was actually 100% right about his concern regarding the dragons.
To be honest this was Joffrey being quite respectful actually.
Love the leisure stroll when he goes.
Why if this isn’t such a fine grandfather and grandson moment?
Tywin walking down the steps like " I really run the realm not you little bastard" 😂
" ... you little bastard."
And that was literally true.
It's great how Tywin is the perfect combination of Cersei and tyrion: He has both the intellect and the toxicity and they blend so well together.
Wow. Such a study in leadership and control. I will have to watch this further.
The one thing Joffrey actually was spot on to be fearful of.
Joffrey had one King moment and Tywin decided to trust the "experts".
Look, we all HATE Joffrey, but tbh, he’s actually the more rationale and intelligent person in this scene. Not even about seeing Daenerys as a potential threat, but even the conversation about where the meetings are held kind of exposes Tywin’s own ego, that even the king must work on his time and rules
Exactly. I've always wondered how Tywin would explain if Joffrey asked "So your time is more important than my own?" Such a direct accusation would be difficult to deflect, since no matter what Tywin can not admit that he holds more power than the king.
@@M.JWitteveen He should have asked Twyn the same questions in front of all of the court, I would think Twyn would not want to humilkliate his grandson in front of many people since it would look like he is more powerfull than the king.
"We could arrange to have you carried."
Translation:"I will k|ll you boy. I prefer Tommen anyway"
😂😂😂
And soon Joffrey is dead. Coincidence?
When he stands over him you can FEEL the very obvious shift in power and the one on the throne had NONE. BRILLIANT acting from them both!!!
Joffrey was right about the dragons, what a twist
The long strides. Tywin was intimidating. What a man.
Tywin was so wrong about the dragons. It’s very ironic! 😂😂 And Joffrey being smart is ironic as well!
Tywin became Hand of the King, the second most powerful man in the kingdoms, at the age of twenty and Lord of Casterly Rock by age twenty-five. He’s sixty-six here. The fact that he’s lived this long holding onto power proves he knew how to play the game
Two minutes in charge and the kid thinks he Lee Iacocca!
Love the grin as he walks away 😂
The look he gives him after he complains about walking to the Tower of the Hand. It's like he's saying to him, "Listen to me you little shit...."
Kingsguard:- *escorts Tywin in*
Tywin:- *stops and gives them a look*
Kingsguard:- Kid, your on your own
Joffrey’s actor was always so good in this role.
Always loved how Tywin makes Joffrey uncomfortable in this scene, and smirks as he walks off.
3:11 absolutely love how Tywin almost forgets to formally address Joffrey as he remembers that Joffrey is the one who is technically in charge
His presence is truly incredible.
Tywin lannister is the only Human on westeros that make Joffrey watch his word whenever he speak. You can see the fear and respect in every sentence Joffrey said. Great actors, both of them.
wow! what an amazing actor charles dance is
2:14
that line has always got me
Cause in season one Viserys explains to doreah when he was a boy he remembered that the throne room was lined with the skulls of the dragons and that the closer you got to the Iron Throne the bigger they got.
Yet Tywin says here that the dragon skull close to the throne was the " size of an apple " Now real world me always just figure it was a continuity error.
But in universe I always wondered who was telling the truth about the dragon skulls
Viserys was only a boy, while Tywin was a younger man. But they both spent time in the Red Keep and both saw the throne room with the skulls
Idk just a scene that can be seen so many ways.
Absolutely GOATED scene. Tywin was PEAK Game of Thrones.
The whenever necessary and the face joefrry made was hilarious 😂
Charles Dance's subtlety and brilliance at work here, but can we just take a moment to really appreciate Jack Gleeson's acting here? Kid's getting an acting masterclass, and keeping up without issue across an absolute legend.
2:57 "You can't even be bothered to walk up a goddamn set of tower stairs why would we tell you anything?"
I like how Joffrey changed the conversation when he knew that Tywin was getting annoyed 🤣🤣
The one time the kid was actually right
You can see the terror in Joffrey's eyes when Tywin walked up those stairs, "Can he do that?" 😂😂😂
I forgot how superb the actors were somehow. They nailed their roles
King Joffrey actually being a smart king. One of those dragons killed his parents and ended his families rule. He was right to be worried.
The way he slowly walked up the stairs....Charles Dance is hot.
"I heard Dragons are back grandfather."
"Yeah, they are."
Joffery: da fuck? Mofo shouldn't we do something??
😂
Grandfather not uncle
This is the example of. A crown doesn't give you power
That 'your grace ' at the end had me cackling 😂😂
And tywin an awesome mentor
The flame behind Tywin dwindles Joffrey’s fire. Shows how puny he is.
The most normal interaction Joffrey ever had.
20seconds in... scene feels so lonely and cold and then you get a look at the iron chair. Shivers
Meanwhile, Ghost Otto Hightower:
"Why can't I do that to my grandson as well?"