Why Genshin Players Are QUITTING For Wuthering Waves ! Genshin Impacts Biggest Issues
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Players have now experienced from Wuthering Waves what it means as a game company, to treat their players better. In This video i talk about genshins BIGGEST FLAWS & Reasons why players stopped playing - and slowly move over to the competitor game wuthering waves.
This is a follow up video to this one : • After Playing Wutherin...
"After Playing Wuthering Waves Genshin Just feels Bad To Play"
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What do you mean "you will never see that NPC again"?
You will see that exact NPC in 100 other quests, wearing different clothes and wigs 🤣.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
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meanwhile in Wuwa:Lezz go Ganxue and Koko
@@lisviero79Maqi
This is so GOOD ngl 😂❤
In Wuthering Waves, even when my objective is far away, I like to walk to it instead of teleporting because the game's movement is so satisfying. Running without the stamina limit, always jumping and running on walls is super fun!
How is it compare from walking in sumeru dessert?
This. I always find myself doing this
Giga Jump trick was Insane 😂
the grappling hook at the ability to run on walls is so damn fun. fuck genshin
same with me, then while walking I then proceed to destroy/farm echoes with the mobs I encounter.
i stopped whaling in genshin now i am whaling in wuwa only
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Same
Thank you for your support by whaling to the company 😆😆😆
get help
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I played daily commission on genshin and my god those skippable dialogues option on wuwa ruined genshin for me.
Same here, I get so irritated when I can't skip the dialog, wuwa has ruined genshin for me as well 😅
Yes!
Imagine doing the same daily quest and you have no way to skip it and that specific daily have tons of dialogue. It ruined my day when doing that. With Wuwa if I already knew I pressed skip
Funny thing there's only one daily commision in the game and you can skip it.
While on Genshin I keep pressing the spacebar to skip the dialogues.
@@cjvaans4484 the SINGLE DAILY that takes as much as 10 seconds when it's a mob kill mission doesn't even register on me. On genshin doing the dailies for the dogshit rewards always felt insulting
the npc were one of the nails for me, they try so hard for us to like characters that are low poly and lame in comparison to the main characters.
watching mountain shaper and moon carver reveal their humans form to be the most bland forgetable characters.
jecht and tadhla being just recolors (although they are still cool).
then theres wuwa when even the npcs look like someone you would like to play.
An interesting thing Kuro did with P:GR is that they use their npcs for future characters meaning most of the characters releases came from NPCs, and I wonder if they'll do the same for WuWa
Even Star Rail which has the same problem of bland looking npcs did something cool and gave Siobhan a unique model. She looks great.
The least Genshin could do is to make one cool and unique npc per patch, be it for an event, story quest or the main story
Agree in this, i even fell in love with Maqi & Ganxue. Then immediately realized they are just a mere NPC
@@triplecatnip7413don’t forget Micah,the new endgame lady
They didnt have to do that for apocalyptic shadow but they made a cool model,and I respect that
It’s simple. 3 and a half years of not just ignoring the player base, but actually listening but adding what people want to HSR. The only thing keeping people from dropping Genshin for HSR was some people don’t like turn based. Now that there is another action option, why the fuck would anyone keep playing genshin?
Exactly me.
Everytime i see an enemy in hsr i feel like logging out. Whereas everytime i see enemy in genshin i rush to it, rushing like jogging i mean. Now wuwa is out and im like sprinting through 1 camp to another.
I'm only playing it for the story lol 🤷 I've already come to terms with the fact that the changes everyone wants to see will not be added for a long time, if at all
@@Syiepherze But the story is ass 90% of the time. Like yeah you get spikes of 9/10 like 3.2 and 4.2, but the rest of the time it's like a 3/10 and there's no skip button.
@@Zer0Hour17Exactly, the lore is great but the delivery of the story is... Somewhat abysmal
I personally don't like turn-based game, but I still gave HSR a try. And just as I expected, I didn't like it no matter how generous they are, simply because I don't like turn-based game. So yeah, your statement is true for me.
when you know the movement mechanics in wuwa you can literally jump 10 times and dash 3 to 5 times in the air and it makes me feel like im good at the game.
while genshin just made me feel like i made questionable financial decisions
Very nice summary
Whats the use of dashing 3 to 5 times in the air? Yeah, none. You'd much rather dash on the ground, especially in combat. Which is not different from Genshin other than getting some weak counteratrack which has almost always more endlag, less damage and generally puts you in a worse spot you were in before. Even parrying is unreliable, sure you can stop an attack but if the boss can just restart the attack the chances of getting more than one parry in sequence narrows
@@Andre-0207 🤣🤣 insane Genshin stan sees no point in fun movement for exploration or just because. Has no idea about combat with use jumps or grapple, cause you should need Xianyun for that right? 🤯 and can't comprehend combat with counter attacks and dodges. Watch them poor small heads explode when trying to understand that good games, high quality and respect for players exist 🤯🤯🤯
@@MarionFR ?
There is literally no situation where you use grapple in combat, unless you hame some kind of buff that you get when you use it you're better off jumping and plunging (which is also a dps loss unless used as an emergency parry in few character cases, you're better off swapping to someonewho can parry)
Also funny how you say "i dont comprehend combat with dodge and parry" where i quite literally stated they are not a hard thing to pull off. 0 reading and comprehension skill, as expected of a gacha game player.
Even more funny how you mention "high quality" for Wuthering Waves where quality is anything but the main thing. Where's Wuthering Waves "quality" when it comes to voice acting (you dont need to be a genshin stan to understand that wuwa could've done a better job at it)? Or in the OSTs (the music is mediocre at best, the only good music is the log in theme LOL. Ironic for a game which revolves around "soundwaves")? Or in the lore (game has little to no relevan tlore)? Or in the character design (they all look the same grayscaled mess)?
Keep seething Wuthering Waves glazer. You can't even accept fair and justified critique, because kurogames bribed you with its charity 😅. I pity kids like you.
@@Andre-0207 Jenshiet stan keep making circus 🤣 Please continue, you are doing best job to show sane people what this craziness is about 👌🤭
I been telling people that if Genshin are not changing NOW (back a few months ago) it will be way too late by the time Wuwa came out, I played PGR, I know what Kuro are capable off, and yeah, everything played out exactly as I expected it to
Genshin's worst performing banner ever still outsold 99% of other Gachas in the market
What "too late" are you talking about exactly?
@@maxxvii2037 The only reason Genshin is the most popular gacha is that it had no competitors during the COVID era when gacha first became mainstream. Hence, Genshin was the first gacha for most players. Other than the shitty EN voice acting, optimization issues on mobile, and subpar storyline, every aspect of WuWa is objectively better than Genshin.
@@maxxvii2037 that will probably change soon since even hsr another hoyo game is treating players better. and recently other players are switching to other gachas due to how stale genshin is now (pgr, arknights, blue archive, WuWa, etc) once players start to see that there are better games majority will switch or just stop playing genshin. the only players that will stay are people who spent alot of time in the game and already spent so much money that they feel demotivated to switch.
@@maxxvii2037 I heard they lost like 50% of their revenue from last month in Mobile sales. I think it was like 120 million down to somewhere around 70-60 million?
@@maxxvii2037 120mill with yinlin banner only. Now just wait for jinhsi to outsold genshin
I mean I enjoyed Genshin. Reactions system is pretty great, but the game does have a lot to improve that they never did until recently. I stopped playing in Fontaine because I don't think the game was going in the direction I'd like. They seem to care more about making pointless puzzles that are badly explained than anything else.
Then Natlan teaser dropped. Do they think we so badly wanted to play as baby dinosaurs now? I mean, sure, some do. But I can't, after playing as Crownless in Illusive Realms. He might be a tutorial boss, but is a freaking badass.
Reaction system is very bad, it doesn't even make sense. Most of the time it doesn't really matter much what element and reaction you will use. There is a whole element - geo, that is practically useless. Freeze is designed pretty badly, superconduct too... Do reactions really make sense when you are just getting specific characters like Chevy or Navia? What is even the point of overload or crystalize? There is many teams that don't even use reactions too much or it's so random like with Navia. So where is this argument that Genshin has advantage of reactions really?... It only had a huge potential, it could lead to more tactical combat, but unfortunately was messed up a big time.
@@MarionFR you're kidding right? Did you even play the same genshin everyone else did?
Reaction are the most important aspect of the game. Without vaporize and melt early game noone would manage anything.
Without dendro and electro reactions dps damage celiling would still be as they were in 2021.
Chevreuse quite literally made overload more viable, and she is a 4*. She put the viridscent buffs in a team with no anemo character, and you can run multiple dps characters in the same team thanks to her.
There's literally two entire artifact set revolving around crystallize.
If you think navia's reactions are "random" then you have no idea how she works. Sure, mono-element teams exist but they are first of all very few, and also more often than not rely on a buffer that can swirl with viridescent, so they aren't just devoid of reactions.
@@Andre-0207 Better share how does rice from Hoyo taste. Hope it's really good for all this insane yapping. Chevreuse has nothing to do with what overload reaction is, Navia - with crystalize. It's just random buff. Thank you for proving that Jenshiet reaction system is horrible and makes no sense, that's it.
@@MarionFR
If you think Chevreuse didn't make overload good and Navia doesn't take full advantage of crystallize, then clearly you can't read.
And also, calling me a glazer means nothing when you're here liking your own comments, hypocrite. Meanwhile, are those 65 subs feeding you? How does it feel to run an irrelevant gaming channel destined to mediocrity? 😁
"Yapping" genz kid moment, you can't even talk without using slang. Go read a book, if you can afford one (which i doubt since those 65 viewers ain't getting you anywhere)
@@MarionFR self like and anime pfp detected opinion rejcted. How does it feel to run an irrelevant gaming channel with barely 70 viewers? Do they feed you with it? 😆
One thing that riled me up in Genshin is the monsters if you somehow come across bandits and monsters theyll all gang up on you monsters are territorial they should be fighting each other too ...abyss mage? teaming up with bandits gimme a break...In Wuthering waves you'll come across monsters beating each other senseless sometimes even in different coloured groups
ye it does make the world feel more alive
@@toukoenriaze9870 i saw the bandit mob that is sleeping but when i come alerting his other friends, he didnt care, scratch his butt and go back sleeping rofl. i never thought a simple mob can make me laugh
Even if you interrupt their squabble, they will still not team up on you, and it just becomes a free for all chaos mess.
The monster has some kind of attitude too, when 4 wolves or that pig monsters gang up on me, I killed 3 of them, the last one will try to run away
That is awesome to be honest, and when you teleport to the entrance of monkey boss (Beilan), I always encounter a monkey vs monkey battle. I always watch them before I enter the boss lair. 😂😂
exploring on genshin after playing wuwa is just painful. i love genshin but you're right about every single flaw. imma still play this game but if kuro games keep cooking it might be the real "genshin killer
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I read somewhere : " Sure it's not a Genshin killer but Wuthering waves killed Genshin for me " and as the days passes it makes more sense.
yeah, imo WuWa really kills Genshin on an individual level
It will never be the "Genshin killer" you wish for. It will just be a typical gacha rog open world sharing the same univers as PGR en that it. A competitor ok, but why do you Ge shin players with to another game to come and kill your "Favorite" game. Why not put your complaints in the stores or their Twitter page to listen to you, just like we do withWuwua. Developers listen, so give them some time.
With Kuro, we take our time because they will respond to us. We know that. So don't hate Genshin. You are still playing it because you love it, don't hide and hate it.
(Otherwise, you will look toxic towards your own community)
@@blueberry7478 genshin devs dont listen to anything u dont know what ur yapping about stfu
@@blueberry7478 the problem is that it has been 4 years and genshin only changes here and then, not even on the biggest issues. They don't listen much, because if they truly did, the game wouldn't be the same as it is today (of course we don't mention the people complaining for nothing)
Sure, the game has it own style and is now an enjoyable game, but wuwa will never kill genshin because only genshin can kill itself (and already does).
Wuwa is indeed a typical gacha rog open world, but so is genshin and your comment is true about that, it should become a positive competition for both !
I think most people just want genshin to fail so that they start cooking again, they left the kitchen too long ago and the plate they give us is cold now. A mixture of frustration and lost potential, as well as the denial of players who don't want to abandon a game they gave time and attention to for years now.
playing wuwa is like driving an automatic car, why go back to manual if automatic gives you comfort, fun, quality of life, less stress, etc.
Driving an "automatic car" is also belittled by many car drivers because it feels like "the feature was dumbed down for even the less smart to use"
@@Andre-0207 wtf are you still in hooked in the past? that argument is long time ago, you can't give that excuse c'mon its 2024. i personally did drive manual car to automatic, if you are a driver then you know what i mean.
i think manual car suited more for ww. u can do everything that automatic car (jenshin) can't.
@@AnbuNinjaMask not an excuse. Just a remark that your comment reminded me of.
As someone who loves cars, i can't agree with you lol. Manual is just better and more fun to drive
WW:
- Skip dialogue option for non-plot-related quests is a golden button for us.
- Movement mechanic makes you feel like you are an Olympics parkour champion ( not sure if that exist or not )
- The bosses fight makes you feel alive... Doesn't matter how strong your build is, you still need some skills instead of Zhongli E , Nahida E, Ei E and Nevuillete burst and E, and then everything dies.
- Farming Echos (AKA artifacts) is super fun, man even when I get Def Echo i don't get angry lol. you can keep doing it nonstop, while still getting busy fighting bosses and you don't need to spend a drop of energy. even the sub-stats rates are actually way better.
- the MC is absolutely badass. it is still new released game and the MC is truly so strong (Havoc), he is fun to play with his and his burst is just Boom Kafka-style damage-wise like. Unlike the mute (who doesn't say anything all the time and Paimon is his F mouth) all known all strong yet useless as Genshin Impact Traveller we have there.
- Rewards. I feel so enraged that I don't need to write anything about this part. I got 5 stars 5 characters the first week and I paid nothing, it is not even about luck. that's a release gift, Imagine an Anniversary? Impact cough cough couggggggh!!!!
- Characters designs are way mature and different from each other and quite interesting unlike copy paste Genshin, Honkai , Star Rail Blender that they keep putting from each other and kids still use their dad credit card to buy them, make huge hype about them and OF COURSE make them the centre of sexual content.
- Characters farming materials is quite simple in Wuthering Waves, you don't have to go around the whole map to get some flowers, then beg other random players in co-op to get the rest of the flowers and check shops to get some more flowers just to rank the new character 10 more levels. and Genshin even makes the new characters mats now unavailable so you farm the hell out of the new area. and not before it.
The open world is a huge pride and joy of Genshin yet huge issue. After unlocking stuff in new area. the area basically die. When was the last time you visited The Chasm? Enkanomiya? Dragonspine? Wuthering Waves map is still playable even after fully unlocking it simply because either you are searching for that sneaky fella echo hiding somewhere to increase your data bank, echo boss you want to farm, some materials you are trying to get, or few flowers you want to use to upgrade a character ( OMG i just remembered the horror of farming flowers in 100 random players map to increase the cap of Genshin character just 10 lol).
- The summoning system is way better in Wuthering Waves, and I am clearly talking about the weapon banner. The weapon is ALWAYS guaranteed. remember how many years you've been crying to get a single MONA, DILUC after playing for over 2 years? it is okay, Wuthering waves gives you a freaking character selector card to enjoy. and guess what? it won't make you the biggest whale and the game won't lose money and get bankrupt, it just makes you HAPPY while playing, which is the essence of playing any video game. That says it all.
- The random chest rewards that you open in Wuthering waves is quite rewarding. Remember when you did this loooooooooooooooong side quest in Genshin Impact then they gave you a 5 gems chest? or when you had to be archeologist and discover the hell out of cave slopes, tunnels and all of that just to open that tiny hidden 10 gems chest? yeah, good times.
The list is too big that I got bored writing already LOL. I wish you all a satisfying time while playing Wuthering Waves of Genshin Impact or even LIFELESS ZONE, I mean Zenless Zone... For me? I am done whaling in Genshin and spending money anymore there. F them ^^.
PS: Pin please if this was helpful to other players. Wish you all the best of luck.
there are 1300 comments, nobody is gonna read your comment lol
bruh zzz not even released, give it a try. Also male rover is better than female in cutscenes
@@ssarellas you sure about that?
@@ThepursuitofHappiness-fb8iy it may be the ONLY game that is not recycling for the 5th time the same old trite assets from HI3 precursor, but still hard pass. Why do you think they're giving away 100 free pulls? The CBT1 and CBT2 reviews literally blasted that game. ( at least the people that didn't get hypnotized by pixel bouncing boobs blasted it)
@@RejectedInch hoyo doesn't need to do anything and their simps like you will volunteer defending them. Volunteer more bro
You another thing I starting to notice. Tea pot never sell you new plants seed for ascension materials any more after liyue. Adventure guild never let you auto mining new ore from new region any more and let you gather more daily junk stuff instead.
It's so shamefull from such a big company to forget these minor QoL improvement that would go a looong way If they were consistent ...
so true!
@@youness4247 i think this is the case when someone suddenly gets a lot of money, their behaviour changes. they start to not care what they initially do and go to sleep with bare minimum content loop
@@lqfr8813 It's not that their behaviour changes, but their true identity gets exposed..
I don't want to defend Genshit, but you can plant seeds for ascension materials from regions after Liyue. I'm not sure if there's one from Sumeru, but I know there's at least one from Inazuma and one from Fontaine.
11:50 You should check out the ending of Lingyangs storyquest. They legit made a cutscene specific to him waving and saying goodbye.
Screw that, they literally also made Scar walking backward and the card portal spawn behind him, with the IN GAME cutscene
Fr man. WuWa is this good in 1.0
Can't wait to see it in its first anni
@@m.raihanammarfachrezixpplg7898 Bro stop you're gonna make me whale for him 😭
I think the best thing about mountain climbing in WuWa is that even if it's too high for you to climb up there until you ran out of stamina, there are ways to circumvent it like with specific Echoes that gives you flight, the Grapple that can give you a slight boost, mountains will always have ledges where you can fall safely to regain stamina, jump canceling, etc. There's just so much mobility options and boon it feels really nice to explore the world.
Loving the meme: “genshin would never…”
Also, I really like your content kydro!
Really glad that I quit Genshin a long time ago. I got fed up after Version 2.4 and had enough of the Mihoyo BS. Nothing was going to change and the game got boring. It's frustrating seeing Genshin being the number 1 gacha game for years and Mihoyo just resting on their laurels as the mindless sheeple continue to give their money to them without question. On top of that, these people white knight for them defending the game and their practices and wanting all other gachas to fail that tries to oppose it. Seriously, stop. Genshin isn't god nor is the best thing in the world. What a hill people choose to die on and support. Baffling.
I tried playing Genshin again after playing WuWa since launch and it's just unbearable to play now. Feels slow and clunky. WuWa is much better and will only get better with time.
I mean Kurogames have a track record with addressing issues. They do surveys ( in pgr it's bi monthly ) so you can voice your concerns there. I would trust Kurogames more with my money than Hoyo to be honest. After all, it's just a game to me and I'm enjoying it!
@@NomimonyoYep, I can't wait for a Narwhal boss in WuWa (from the leak there will be a Narwhal boss)
@@Khann_2102 call back to the first ever big update :,)
@@Nomimonyo Hell yeah
True man,i played wuwa for about 6-8 Hours per day,and play genshin only like 22 Minutes for daily 🤣
Genshin Players: That quest marker is so far away with too many obstacles...I'll just teleport to it.
Wuwa Players: That quest is on the whole other side of the map? Time to ride my flaming motorcycle, use my flower girl's vine sliding, endlessly sprint and try to climb this 90 degree vertical mountain to get there.
And killed some TDs along the way to get echos for future build
@@nimphalior just for fun
even HSR players are shitting on Genshin. Gen devs will not change they will ignore what the community truly wants. Its StockHolm Syndrome.
When Nikke, Blue Archive, WuWa and the plethora of other gacha games treat their fanbase with respect and reward them for their loyalty you know GENSHIN truly COULD NEVER.
Genshin devs continue to poop on their fanbases mouths while HSR devs continue to shower their players with abundant rewards.
It truly is a night and day difference from those two games.
You described so well. And people defending Hoyo it's wild
Oh boy genshin stans incoming. They will think of reasons to invalidate your comment because they can't accept it.
Sunk cost fallacy thats why genshin stans exist and defend such a company its honestly sad 😂
I remember seeing so many people back then defending the game barely giving any freebies like they're getting paid by the company or something. "oh yeah, 3d models cost so much more to make... So the greed is justifiable", bitch, PGR has more than twice the amount of animations per character, no 50/50 shenanigans, and they've given out free S rank selectors in the past as well as the occasional farmable S rank. BA gives out free 100 pulls every anniversary, then there's AL where ship storage is more of a problem than the gacha itself. Man, the Genshin playerbase is the saddest community out there.
The problem is Hoyo never wanted Genshin to take off like it did. Their baby has always been Honkai which is why Honkai is always treating us better then Genshin. I wish people could see that just because they are quitting Genshin doesn’t mean that hoyo is SOL especially if the player plays Honaki, they will still “feed” hoyo. At least we have Kuro now.
After playing and enjoying Genshin starting from 1.1, I eventually quit the game during Inazuma's release.
Not only I had a massive burnout from Artifact farming but I grew tired of the core mechanics of the game.
1 year... Even if my most anticipated location was finally here, after 1 year, I was like "I don't care anymore".
Meanwhile, after 1 year of Star Rail, I've never loved the game as much as I do now. And I can't wait to get even more!
I felt that too. Why am I grinding for artifacts? Why am I building for more characters? Because my shitty characters can do the job well enough. For abyss? Man the rewards for abyss is so fricking sad, the ratio between the efforts and the rewards is non linear.
@@neuneru Pretty much. Not only was I grinding for god rolls that would never drop, but I already had my A-team. I could take on anything without a sweat so all stakes were non-existent at this point.
I already left Genshin in the Shenhe banner, I can't even remember what version that was
I'll add one, artifact farming in hsr has better drop chances than genshin. I usually beat the weekly boss (both genshin and hsr) and even if hsr has bad drops, but sometimes you can get a decent ones, if you're lucky then you can get all the sub stats you want. Genshin? I don't think I've ever got a single decent artifacts from weekly boss since sumeru release. They said they balanced the main stat drops, but guess what? It's way worse and way more often got useless both main and sub stats.
To be honest, I think Hoyo knows that Genshin could be better, but they also know that no matter what they do they’ll still get a lot of money. I think this is why they don’t try beyond the minimum amount of effort to make characters, events, story, etc. They would much rather use that extra manpower that could make Genshin better to make Honkai Impact or Honkai Star Rail better.
i bet they use resources for new game ZZZ whatever it is
they arent using extra manpower for anything. its different dev teams. they just simply do not care
@@XenoWarsBased devs tbh. Does whatever the fuck they want and make billions while haters throw tantrums on the internet.
Not to mention that their ambassador like Tenha and Atsu always buttlicking them every time Genshit did a mistake
Genshit listen to their own ambassador instead of general players
It's because of the director of Genshin
His name is Cai or something
The thing about Genshin is not the whole developer team, it's the producer. He's infamously arrogant and expects everyone to allign with his vision meanwhile his vision is pure business none artistic. His "Stop playing instead of complaining" behavior was infamous among fans since Gun Girl Zs days of Mihoyo. Before him moving to Genshin, Honkai 3rd situation was also as bad as this, terrible rewards and not so prominent QoL updates. Not to mention why Genshin MCs were very weak in gameplay. Even Kiana who is now universally loved among Hoyoverse game players, was so terrible during his era of handling HI3rd.
Let’s hope they never move him to HSR. HSR is the main bread winner of Hoyo now, so he might move to that game now that people are getting over Genshin 😬
@@UltimateGenosyko Nah ZZZ is more in danger in my prediction because it has attracted way wider audiance than GI and HSR did.
@@inthenameofcontractlendmem983 you think so? From what I’ve seen most people don’t seem to care about ZZZ. I could be wrong though.
@@UltimateGenosyko As far as I've seen, people who're into Genshin and Honkai are probably not, that's including me.
But I have seen people who've never interested in those twos are talking about it.
If WuWa nail the launch of 1.1... all hell gonna break loose.
I must resist Jinshi at all.cost cuz Changli the 1 in NEED.
The war will become more crazy if that happens
@@Vult_Ira317I am saveing all the items to pull both and level them both instantly
Well uh seeing some leaks and I ain't gonna spoil but 1.1 is pretty crazy
@@thebrigade7684 those character animations are fucking crazy
I got burnt out of genshin because my only wish was to get my wanderer's weapon and i got scammed by the weapon banner... 😂😔 i fell in the trap i should have never spent a cent on that banner... and well now I'm happily playing wuwa☺️👍
For 3 years I only wanted to have Mona as a 5 star. Got everyone else except her on the standard banner and c1 minimum.... I stopped playing it when HSR came out but I still want Mona even though I will never go back to Genshin again... It just hits so hard every time I think about the money I spent for Mona (and some weapons)....
Basically in the same boat, i wanted keqing for almost 4 years, but because this game has some of the worst rng out of any game, and i only acquired her only because of the free 5 star event they have.@sandwich4916
Genshin in 2 months: "Come back, Traveler! We'll give you 7 free Primogems -- one per day for a whole week, delivered straight to your in-game mailbox!"
i just cant play genshin after trying out wuwa's fighting mechanics no more...
Kinda regret using money for genshin. If I could just slap myself to stop back then and wait for wuwa
F2P and whaler niggas: i told u bruh
this kind of game is actually enjoyable if you going F2P or going whale/dolphin, no-inbetween. F2Ps will make coop has shorter matchmaking and whalers will fund the game because of their hobby of collecting C6R5 limited stuffs.
low spenders only get the bare minimum of convenience from welkin and it's sometimes not enough if you ain't saving enough.
same
I'm glad I didn't
Now my wallet is for WuWa
@@Khann_2102 i rather spend money to buy indie games on steam or buying weapon skin in CS2 instead of paying for characters in genshin lol. frankly, i'd buy hoyoverse game if they managed to develop paid anime game
Same, I spent a lot 2020-21 on that game, I feel stupid af
I left genshin ever since theyve butchered dehya, so much hate and anger from the community that got COMPLETELY ignored. Made me realize that hoyo does not give a single **** about us
the last thing they edit was zhongli stat and rosaria balloon. the rest is just skin for certain character for showing too much skin lmao...what a joke
It's not the Hoyo's problem. It's the director of genshin. He was butchering Honkai impact too but then left for directing only genshin. Honkai impact then got the director of Honkai Star Rail and the rewards became way more generous
genshin community has been mostly hate and anger LOOONG before dehya lmao. Genshin community is more toxic than rust
@@oh-noe With how much feedback, requests and completely avoidable controversies there were prior to Dehya, I'm not surprised. 1.0 player here that's still active on the game though am enjoying the hell out of WuWa especially gameplay and satisfaction.
Dude I realized that they don't give a shit about the players when Shenhe and Eula didn't have a rerun for so fucking long (like a whole year for Shenhe?). Then on some patch the leakers said the next banner would be Eula so I just skipped wathever the hell the banner was then, only for the next patch Mihoyo just put another fucking character instead of Eula just because they didn't like the leakers... that was it for me
Dude. I played Wuthering and ...my... god... when I beat that psycho at the end and sprouted wings, I was like "WTF!!! I have wings!??? Holy Sh*t i have wings!" Like that is so sick that you can make your character stronger in game and there's a reason to beat story mode!
It's like what I am seeing from old players you have a game that came out during covid and got to comfortable with no competitors. Like you said in the video they don't listen they refuse to fix bugs that have been in the game since day one but they were quick to fix the infinite water walking glitch that made exploration fun. I can go on and on but I am not going make this long
What bugs, exactly? I've yet to run into one. Meanwhile, WuWa still unplayable for a lot of players. The theory that Genshin was successful due to Covid and no comp is debunked. HSR released in an established turn-based market with tons of competitors and it still competes with Genshin in terms of numbers, even overtaking it some patches.
Beidou C4 description is wrong since launch and still not fixed for my knowledge, btw.
And there is no Paimon, that game already superior.
whats wrong with it?
@@TXnovicegamer
"Upon being attacked, Beidou's Normal Attacks gain an additional instance of 20% Electro DMG for 10s."
Both, her normal and charged attacks, trigger effect. It's 20% of attack as electro damage.
@@zentwo_Why did no one report it to Hoyo?
Oh they don't care
@@Khann_2102 I reported it myself several times over first two years.
@@zentwo_ 😢😢
Switch to Wuthering Waves now, force Genshin to improve, comeback later to taste the benefit. It's easier than trying to maintain status quo by doomposting
The results you want benefit greatly from doom posting.
Ironically that's a 50/50 there is a chance they might improve but there is also a chance they just wont. The reason is simple Hoyo has HSR and soon ZZZ and even if Genshin starts to fail, they'd still have 2 other massive games under their belt to milk money from.
That's why if players really want Genshin to be better, then pray to the archons ZZZ flops so hard(based on Hoyo standards) that they just re-invest back into Genshin.
How can you expect that genshin will still improve that game is already in its 4th year and players begging for improvement from day 1 and the game is still stagnant
@@ardee9337 If they improve, you win. If they don't, you prevent more investment losses.
What's the benefit of staying and praying for Hoyo's other project to fail? You just leaving things to fate.
@@ardee9337if don't improve then it's a loss for them and a win for us. A win win either way.
Day 1 genshin player here after more than 3 years the only thing i played genshin this long is fear of missing out only to realize there is nothing to missout at this point they wont add anything new its just the same exploration same abyss every 15 days its just not worth playing for me
I made a video about this several years ago. Few weeks later after I posted the video, I quit the game because there were so many issues the game had and the devs are so set in their ways, they think they know better than the players do.
Few years later, I've been seeing videos of people quitting Genshin for Wuwa, and since it got me interested, I tried it out. Now, I'm not gonna say that WuWa is the perfect competitor for it, but it does have potential. Like enourmous potential to outshine Genshin in the long run if the game improves several patches later. Afterall, the game is not fully optimized to the major market the devs would like to sell this game for, which is mobile.
Then I went back and watched the "I quit Genshin for WuWa" videos and to the surprise of absolutely no one, specially me, the issues Genshin had, which I stated in the video I posted, still exist to this day. If Kuro can avoid the same mistakes Hoyo did, then WuWa has bright future.
the main reason that i read a title like this and am drawn to click it and listen to it, is because it confirms that i was right. as a former genshin player, i had major gripes with the game. just a few months into the launch of genshin i was distraught with the actual lack of playable content; why am i grinding, why are people spending thousands of dollars to pull and build characters that they can't even use, why are people not quitting in droves? now that there finally is a market competitor worth its salt (lets be real, TOF and others never came even close to that kind of quality), hoyo is actively losing money - because i'd say its fairly safe to assume that genshin players that try wuwa dont spend more( utility maximizing theory), and banner income that would've have gone to genshin is now going towards wuwa.
It’s funny how any time you see someone come to this realization I can assure you that if you typed this anywhere else people will give you shit.
All because they think that a game being casual can’t add any meaningful content to play your characters.
Such a simple concept that’s so foreign to a delusional community that their perfectly fine throwing out millions every year just because they’re casual and don’t have time for it or for some reason don’t want to play it
@@amari7782 so what is wrong with being casual?
I played ToF for more than a year while playing genshin and I admit, ToF was a breath of fresh air but because of it's issues in launch it dropped it's reputation.
Not only that playing as a solo gamer like how you are with Gacha games will not cut out for you. I played and stayed with a guild and as a F2P I managed to do well be part of the top members of the guild but it wasn't long I got trampled down the ranks because how much of a paywall ToF was as well.
An update or two my damage which was meant to be high became average and as a F2P catching up is absolutely difficult
Tl;dr:
Game had potential for burnt out genshin players but later became a paywall in order to survive the game
@@10tailedbijuu when it gets to a point that anyone wanting to ask for more just gets told “ welp this is the wrong game go tell you something else” just because you point out there’s nothing to do
@@10tailedbijuu There's nothing wrong with being casual, just like there's nothing wrong with being hardcore. What is wrong is toxic players. When hardcore players tell a casual to get good, to just build X because X is meta, and, on the flip side, when casual players say everything should be easy, there should be no end game, because casual.
While games do generally have a certain demographic (a Souls-like game is not going to be the most casual friendly), there are still often a lot of things that can be done to have broader appeal. For example, a common hardcore/casual friendly approach to content is to have a reward track where hardcore players can progress further in the content to earn more points in a single run, while casuals (or newer accounts or whatever) can't make it to the end, but can instead play the easier parts more times. Everyone gets access to the rewards. But players will often turn on each other, rather than supporting each other.
I've been playing both, and sincerely.... I remembered that I already beaten Genshin (day 1 player), I finished it, I begun to skip spending resin because I already have everything on Genshin
Playing Wuwa it's making me remember what's the feeling of building something, doing something, the cool things I always wanted
And how.... The echoes are easier to get better stats, and yet I can't say I will beat Wuwa soon, finish it
So yeah, uninstalling Genshin it's a very high possibility for me, I need that space
It feels nice being done with story and still needing to rank up and progress while buikding your characters
Soon, the same pattern will repeat with Wuthering Waves. After that, Azur Promilia will be released, followed by Arknights Enfield. The cycle is endless: new games bring fresh excitement, but as soon as the appeal fades, everyone moves on to the next big thing.
@@abhiss6705 and that's pretty good, knowing more worlds, overcoming our attachment for things we already finished, knowing other models for games, changing our perspective and practice our comprehension
Playing more games it's in fact a good thing
@@Doro-bashi yes , but sadly with these open world gacha games / live service models ..the payoff is just not worth it. The payoff also takes an insanely long time to come into fruition. The inbetween is just mind numbingly average FOMO driven bait to hook players and keep them playing.
@@abhiss6705 payoff... What's that? Could you define/elaborate?
Not even Natlan is gonna pull me back to Genshin.
it looks like smth from nintendo 64 era lol . playing as a cartoonish baby dinosaur lol .
And most likely they can do that pokemon thingy on that region only 😂
Anyone just feel that Natlan made genshin look like a kids game 😂
I mean, Nathlan is just another huge area filled with 5 primogem chests. I honestly never understood new region hype, because GI exploration design is bad.
There is no proper motivation to loot chests, Genshin is pretty much a trashcollector simulator.
I was truly expecting some seriousness from Natlan and it went back to mario shit
Something that is not mentioned but is important is the fanbase. If you want to voice your dissatisfaction for the game, be prepared to get attacked my Hoyo's army of manchildren.
Omg, those white knights. I've never seen anyone defend any company like those Genshin simps do.
@@nisemono1625 Fr, it's insane how people like them exist
facts , were is also sick of the way hoyo'ys treating us , giving us a pitiful 3 wishes and making it hard for us to get any chratcer we want , not listening to our complaints , making us feel like we wasted our time on this game , just sick and tired of it all
People are allowed to enjoy the game
@@TheRoleplayer40k How is this reply relates to this comment at all
I only played genshin for a total of 1 week. And I can already see issues with the movements, though I was a new player and there was a plethora of content waiting for me, but what made me quit was the horrendous combat... I'm the type of gamer that lights up and ignite whenever there's combat in games, giving me this thrill, this missing piece inside of me. When I played genshin it's basically me spamming basic attack, click E, press any number keys 1-4 to switch. Then rinse and repeat. it quickly became REPETITIVE for me. Meanwhile in WuWa, the game gives me satisfying parries and perfect dodges with the ability to juggle combo certain mobs. It's honestly so refreshing and fills my soul, giving me this sense of enlightenment whenever I kill a boss without taking a single hit. Man, I even had to lock in most of the time in Tower of Adversity, in comparison to watching my friend play Abyss tower something in genshin for him to only spam the most basic shit with big numbers popping up on the screen. Overall WuWa is the perfect game for me. Good job kuro games 🙏
Former Genshin dolphin and current WuWa player here. While I also quit Genshin years ago, I disagree that Genshin's combat is trash. The elemental reaction thing is actually pretty good, the bad thing is that there really isn't any hard endgame content aside from the Spiral Abyss to use/abuse it on.
@@bluuangel004 Oh crap, I forgot to mention those, cause my friend first played WuWa he said that he got too used to the elements thingy. Though, the mechanic is unique, it doesn't really affect the core combat, which is only basic attack the E thing and Ultimate. It does give dynamic teams where characters become in sync with each other through elemental reactions. This is also one of the main reasons I got through and played for a week . In the end I got bored of the constant rotation.
The most exciting and terrifying for me when challenging dangerous TDs and red ones... trying to survive lol.
@@luckyshikikan6985 Those three monkeys and three spiky rocks got me bro 😭😭😭
Tell me you don't know how to play Genshin without telling me. I'll agree with Bluuangel here. The only downside is no end game content to abuse your knowledge of reactions. There's tons of nuance to it and it's actually still super unique in video games, and not just gacha games. That being said, Genshin was never meant to be a hardcore action combat game. It's literally sold as casual. Calling the combat horrible when it was only ever meant to be serviceable is kind of disingenuous. The game is a narrative driven game, and it does that spectacularly well. The scenery is second to none in gacha games. The exploration leaves a lot to be desired, especially compared to other gachas like WuWa, but if I'm being real with you. WuWa is mid when it comes to both combat and movement. There are tons of non-gacha games I'd rather play for that type of gameplay. Genshin may not have the best movement or combat, but I play it for the story and WuWa story doesn't even come close. It's so bad players want a skip button.
Not even snezhnaya can take me away from wuwa. After seeing changli and jinhsi im cooked and soaked. All hail KURO WAIFUS. BLESS ME CHANGLI BLESS ME JINHSI
bro😂😂😂
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JUE!!! GIVE ME S5 CHANGLI AND MY WALLET IS YOURS
That Aether pfp made this hilarious and the meme of him juggling every chick he could find in every region
They really cooked with those designs and animations I am so ready to blessed
The rewards are so pathetic in genshin. It's an insult honestly. They give you literal chump change for investing so much time & effort & sometimes even money into their game no wonder their audience base was so quick to leave them. If you can't respect your audience then expect them to go to the competitor that does
WUWA SAVES THE DAY.
are genshin players really quitting genshin tho? like I can't help but feel like it's not the case cuz I keep seeing people on instagram, reddit, tiktok, twitter and fb and they just keep shitting on Wuwa like they're high on cope...
then again... I deleted genshin the moment Wuwa got live... and didn't regret a single thing😂✌️❤️❤️❤️
Maybe not necessarily deleting but maybe only just login to do dailies, spend resin and go back to Wuwa which is basically me lol
@@theburning_yandere710 not quitting but prolly spending less time there and probably spending more cash in wuwa
@@theburning_yandere710 hoyolab is also filled with wuwa post and guides... And people are expressing their concerns why they prefer wuwa now.
It gave me happiness back from Elden Ring burnout.
I won't be playing the dlc, I'll just watch someone play it now.
The combat is so satisfying! You summarised it perfectly. Even i couldn't know why i was having so much fun grinding echoes for hours!
Genshin doesnt put its money back into the game ... they are too busy burning it on making new games to try to drain more money out of people
And then they succes
Actually true, they want to dominate every game genre out there, making new games in every genre instead of improving their current games, but that is bound to be disastrous eventually. They'll bleed money because not everyone would want to play these new games, they are pandering too much to a niche group of people for their new games just because they want to be visible as a company to every genre.
@@sojirou.k which is weird ngl cuz hsr is run by the same overarching company ... and it feels like they actually spend their money there ... but every time genshin gets alot of money all you hear about is a new side project
@@toukoenriaze9870 don't forget there is zzz coming around.
And then their new game animal crossing type of game
@@dan9563 ye oof
I open genshin impact again after playing WUWA oh god i automatically close it after 3 minutes the gameplay is so slow and no skip button. Plus after many years of supporting and investing really hard to say i dont love the game anymore 😢
Sell your account while you still can. I'm sure someone will be interested in it, and you might get some of your money back if you did pay for stuff.
I agree. If they refuse to evolve, Genshin will eventually die. There will be more open world action gacha rpg coming, like Arknights Endfield, and Azur Promilia.
KuroGames is like, less than a half of what Hoyo is. Hoyo has LOTS of games and everymonth they get LOTS OF MONEY, but they don't enhance what they have. PGR (first Kuro game) is totally different from when it released, and WuWa will not be different, bc Kuro LOVES what they're doing, they love to create new games and make people have fun (And cry a lot) with it games and stories.
I pity those gamers who only play thier first gacha and stay for only one gacha.
People wouldn't be suprised how other gacha will treat you if they try it out.
I pity those gamers that play only gachas: they don't know how good videogames can actually be
Most gachas aren't similar to Genshin though. I couldn't care less if some idle game gave me 200 pulls. I don't care about some jpg waifus. I prefer quality over quantity. Wuwa gave us both but... if I could choose between them bribing us with free stuff or getting a proper translation in the game (unplayable in a lot of language), I would choose the later
you talk about gacha like it's someone you're in a committed relationship with
I play genshin almost 3 years and i tried WuWa since released.. and when i come back to genshin.. i realised genshin lacks in some things.. especially the combat! The combat mechanics in WuWa are complex yet so addicting..
I just quit Genshin after 4 years , i did it yesterday.
My current challenge is Wuwa.
New abyss killed my feelings to genshin entirely. Now I want to go play wuwa fun events
People who say that will be the last 5star selector clearly didn't know Kuro Games.
the pandemic really inflated genshin devs ego lmfao
I quit; not enough content for the money you pay tbh. They just throw a few quick events & a little area; then expect you to whale for what you want.
Elden Ring & DLC is only a flat rate of $100 usd for a much much bigger world, bigger bosses, and you dont need to whale for weapons or power; you just explore and get stronger.
No extra money needed on echo xp or tuners.
But it's okay if you suck at basic games and need to pay/whale for "modern day cheat codes" to make the game better for you.
After Wuwa, exploring in Genshin it's a real torture. I was trying so hard wait for get my C6 Ayato but i can't even log in anymore...
I sold my C6 ayaka with her signature R5 mist and sold it. Genshin feels so slow that I couldn't even do dailies. So I sold my account and with that money I'll max my Changli 😋
Doing dailies in genshin feels like a forced job I don't want to do. Such a heavy garbage I threw away. Hating wuwa is my biggest regret ngl
@@Beingbased100you were hating on WuWa in the past?
@@Prome699 used to. Not anymore. Idaf about genshin now
@@Tempest27 Ur in the wrong place my frnd. It's a gacha content go somewhere else and save urself from gacha.
that's how people play soulsborne for the first time about combat
every hit you can feels the impact, while genshin impact only has impact in the name never in gameplay lol
The Genshin impact name title is nothing but another Evangalion reference.
The parry is nothing mind boggling in wuwa. Literally click when the game tells you with 5 different clues.
And that's about it when it comes to special things in wuwa's combat
In genshit, "characters are content." Because there's nothing else and they don't give a shit. They don't even have resin overflow after 4 years. Star Rail does, and WuWa is getting it next patch. Genshit is always shitting itself. Dehya sucks to play, albedos and any geo constructs are just bad. Give WuWa a year of limited and see how those play in comparison. Changli looks insanely smooth and can do aerial combat.
Now when emlie comes out, compare her with WuWas 1.1 characters. Also in WuWa because it's combat focused... you can.. use your characters!
Genshitters can eat all the shit they want. Star Rail is doing fine and WuWa is going to do just as well. I doubt natlan is going to change anything because I've seen the "pyro archon" of the "War nation" and it looks like a hugbox with pokemon.... and bubble diapers.
When I saw a video of cai haoyu, the producer of genshin himself, saying that characters in genshin are content, it really made me think. I understood everything and it sucked. If you don't spend money to get every character well f u, you're not welcomed in our game. Or you can play f2p, but be starved for content all the time.
@@eeeeepy Yeah, I've always found that strange myself. The game isn't super hard but the elitism stories of coop I read are exactly the people hoyo farms. (Braindead) What's even crazier is that entire kit overhauls that can change HOW you play your CONTENT are usually locked behind c6, or 2000 dollars roughly if you have bad luck. You want the best experience with flexibility? Cool infusions and options for combos? Fork out for it.
If anyone remembers the 1.1 event with the meteors, THAT WAS CONTENT. The golden apple archipelago? Again THAT WAS CONTENT. There was exploration, story and combat. But instead now it's like "Here's a domain with some buffs, same enemies. Here's a "Superpowered" (It does more dmg and has 100x the hp) boss that's been in the game since 1.0 and doesn't move or that same big lizard you've farmed for years..... and of course match the colors minigames and stuff like petting cats.
It's pretty egregious, a surface level zelda with temporary events that are very miss that people only do for primos go get more "Content" if they're not going to pay.
Kuro Games for life, bro!!! I got one of the most powerful players in Genshin impact, but I couldn’t upgrade her because the materials required to upgrade her were in the last part of the game. I want an S rank character that I can upgrade from the beginning of the game if I get her! Not only that but the dark aesthetics of Kuro games totally overwhelmed the happy go lucky feel of Hoyoverse.
Kuro got my complete respect after seeing how they have handled the feedback with the community. Not once did we get to see mihoyo do such a thing for its players, so I'm hitting them where it hurts, by taking my wallet off the table, and putting it on kuro's side from now on. I'm having a blast with WuWa's core gameplay, I want to stick around to see what they can cook in the long term.
I stopped giving money to Genshin ages ago.. because supporting that game feels like supporting a toxic relationship…..
Indeed bruh you got it right😅
If you still play that's still 1 more active user for their statistics
almost the same feeling XD
I've only bought welkin myself once personally right before wuwa released. I've always been a net negative f2p user on genshin and now I plan to make it stay that way.
@@tka3I played the game religiously from beginning up until Childe. I had saved up enough for at least 2 pities. I got Jean twice and I raged quit. Since then I logged in occasionally. I managed to get both him and Raiden but at that point I couldn’t bother with the game anymore.
15:15 We can't skip AND we can't rewatch any scenes!!!! Before Genshin I played tons of other console and PC games where it was STANDARD to rewatch scenes and read dialogue. How TF Genshin doesn't have that even after all this time!!! Back at release I tried to find where we could rewatch the scene where Venti returns the lyre to Barbara in-game.... AND NO OPTION AVAILABLE?!?!?
It's so obvious now how Hoyo does their tactics.
- You want Better Exploration? Buy our 5 Stars, we design them for it. Just swipe.
- You want Endgame? Play Our HSR and give us money there.
- You want quick swaps? Play our zzz and give us money there.
- You want Limited Weapons? We give you our SCAM weapon banner since you will pull for it even if it is scammy. you love us right?
- You want to explore in overworld? we give you new maps to explore but we limit the gacha currency you will get since, we need you to spend your money on us (while other gacha games gives more).
- You want lore, we will give you but with No Skip Button since we need you to spend time in the game to condition you all.
- You want to level up your characters? Finish the story and lots of side quests and map areas. Also wait for our schedules before you can farm for materials.
- You want anniversary rewards? Here is 10 Pulls and 3 Pulls for 3 years and we don't give a fxck if you complain since with our lots of money, we already made lots of contracted shills to initiate drama's, make us be sensational and also our back-up brainwashed fanbase (some are paid especially in CN) that will protect us and shield us for our defense always, as we sip some coffee and sprinkle you all with our Primo Crumbs. Be grateful peasants.
After playing wuwa Genshin feels like I'm playing game in slow-motion. Its feels totally different games. And i still hate mihoyo for they did to dehya.
patience child... Dehya is the go-to best character to select from standard now. Her utility & usage & usefulness is so fire now. The age of forward vapes & burning comp is here
other small things, that are actually huge once you see how different:
You can swim A LOT more on wuwa than on genshin. On genshin even at max stamina you can swim thru a small lake without drowning, meanwhile in wuwa you can swim to it, and back. I mean, with wuwa swimming stamina i could probably swim to the abyss island from monstadt if it was in genshin. But no, pull ayaka and ice bridge or drown.
Fall damage. In genshin you take fall damage from mostly any jump. In wuwa you bare take any. You can plunge from sky high, and still take 0 damage.
Talking about plunge attacks... Plunge attacks! You can both jump into glider and jump into plunge without any terrain intervention. plunge attacks are actually a part of the game and not a gimmick of some characters.
Midair dodges. Yes, you can not only dash in the air, but if you are hit while doing it, u'll actually perform a perfect dodge like on ground.
Swap cancels: combat feels SO MUCH more rewarding when you can swap cancel a skill and it still goes off, while you are using another character. I've even saw a video of a guy with spectro rover, jiyan and encore where he would use encore's E, into rover's E, then swap to jiyan's E, then swap back to rover to do the after attack from her E, and then back to encore for the final hit of encore's E, having at one point all 3 characters on the field dealing damage at the same time.
Liberation(ult) animations freeze the game time, so it's never a dps loss (looking at you, zhongli, diluc)
I could keep going for hours, but i guess everyone got already. I've quit genshin for real, unninstalled it, and won't ever come back, because after playing wuwa genshin feels like shit. I'd rather play minecraft.
Pre-Inazuma the overworld was pretty good! Who remembers the quest for collecting 8 items and slotting them into one mysterious ruins of Liyue? And the 3 sections of a circular plate for the forgotten and locked away tunnel around one of the villages? The treasure hoarder quest where the hint to the meeting spot was a dead tree with white wood on the crest of a thin mountain? The inn you shortly reach when getting to Liyue and a decorative pot gave a prompt to search for a similar rock formation in Liyue somewhere for a hidden treasure? You actually had to LOOK in the open world to finish stuff! Nowadays it's just follow a waypoint on a quest, and when all those are done you don't touch e-grass because huddling inside a domain to spend resin for artifacts or ascension items.
i hate not being able to skip the story in genshin, esp when im going through a dialogue from a side quest.
aranara solidified my huge want for a skip button in genshin. before that, not as much.
yeah i can't go back anymore, complaining don't even help with genshin because they got people deleting comments.
For WuWa to crash Genshin completely, Mihoyo just need to do another "3 wishes for 3 years" move.
Yeah “crash” lol they couldn’t even beat wanderer and baizhu banner lol good luck after natlan comes out. Nobody will even remember wuwa ever existed
@@peterpines4992a gi die hard glazer 🤡
@peterpines4992 before natlan came out
lets see how many players still stick with the game 😂😂😂
@@peterpines4992it's almost like a game that came out for only 8 days before the end of the month will almost certainly make less than another game's revenue for an entire month.
These characters literally moves almost at sub sonic speeds when they're in cutscenes,but in gameplay.THEY DO ROCK CLIMBING LMAO
Agree 💯 man
I started playing Genshin on the last day of 2020, man fell in love with the game within few hours the open world, music, scenery, characters, story, exploration...
I still remember the first survey on the genshin, i was like 'oh a survey i/we the community can give feedbacks and give suggestions to make the the game even better and wow such a wonderful developers to ask for feedback from the players, they would definitely implement the suggestions/feedbacks from the players unless why should they even ask for it, right?'
Man i did the feedback survey until somewhere in the 2.x and i stopped
I understood that they didn't give a 💩 about our feedbacks or complaints
There are a lot of quality of life or other updates community had been asking for so long and they dont care
Eg- the skip button, resin cap, re-playable event/quests, getting missed event weapons,proper endgame etc
Hopefully the wuwa release will do something in our favour
And one thing i want to mention seperately is the gadgets in genshin
The genshin developers has a phd in 'how to make a gadget worthless'
The wuwa has done a very good job here
The gadget will automatically switch for the necessary scenario ( the elevator) meanwhile i have to manually switch to the seed box thingy everytime and it doesn't work when in combat
Also the fast gliding gadget has ridiculously high downtime
Genshin's story, music, scenary, are still top-notch
Many of the things you said are simply outdated opinions. Understandable since you haven't touched the game since 2.0
Example: we have a select wheel for quickly accessing gadgets. It's limited to 4 but i personally don't use more than that. And they also increased resin cap. And new endgame was just added.
Maybe before jumping to conclusions, try the game?
I think all the points made in this video, and the previous one, are just deeply relatable for so many players. I think a vast number of us have been waiting for Wuthering Waves. Not necessarily WuWa specifically, but for a game like it, to come along and show Hoyo just how much room for improvement there always have been with Genshin.
I actually had almost no interest at all in WuWa until it launched and I decided to try its frequently praised combat system. It was just such a breath of fresh air and almost a feeling of comfort. Because it felt like someone read my mind, understood all of my frustrations with Genshin and how Hoyo have treated their game and its players, and decided to do something about it. It almost feels like one of those justice served moments you see every once in a while on social media. It was vindication of our collective frustration.
Even if Hoyo improves Genshin and does amazing things with their other games, I'm personally never going back to a Hoyo game ever again. Because I know that when given the opportunity, and if their hand wasn't forced, Hoyo will choose to not do a thing to change how poorly they treat their players. Hoyo doesn't respect the players. Hoyo doesn't respect their time. Hoyo doesn't respect their voice. Even if Hoyo improves on everything tremendously, it will only be because it affects their profits.
Of course game companies need to make money and everything is business, but you can put out products for profit while not making the people you're trying to make the money from feel like shit. Hoyo doesn't even have the absolutely minimal amount of business tact to disguise the fact that they think nothing of their players. I'm never going back.
In my opinion it just depends on your point of view. When I go into Genshin and climbe a mountain, I do it for the experience. Because it Is slow indeed. When I need to calm down from a stressful day. The music was, and will be always very beautiful and the scenery is too. The story’s are very nice and I love to see how the main one ends. Wuva is much stronger, faster and is is very fun. But sometimes, I’m just fed up with running up a mountain like a superhero. And being realistic: this running up a house or a mountain isn’t something someone can do …except of Antman or maybe some other Marvel Heroes.
But I think both Games have their own beauty and they are different games. I play both and enjoy, depending on my mood. Fast and dynamic, or relaxing and enjoying the beautiful areas and music. This „trend“ that everyone’s puts Genshin down and hates it and fires so much effort in it…it sometimes seems to me like you have to convince yourself, that Wuva is better, and you aren’t allowed to like Genshin anymore. Because the Devs don’t listen… and this and that…🙄 Woa! I, for myself, like Hoyoverse, just want to play and enjoy. No one hast to follow me. You can hate me for this, but be fair and think for yourself. Don’t just follow the crowd. And what if the day comes…and it will… when Kuro Games makes some mistakes and there will be dramas? You all skip playing all games forever ?
The way i see it. Genshin is like that one toxic bf/gf. They start of loving, affectionate and stuff like that. But as time, goes on. Their true colors reveals.
Then i see WuWa as this, actual loving affectionate gf/bf. Secretly cheating on said toxic bf/gf. And when stuffs read, you reveal you've been cheating on them,and left with the more better bf/gf.
It's not that players were asleep. More like there's just nothing else.
I have been so bored on genshin since i finished abyss. That's like almost 4 yrs now.
Climbing up a mountain feels like 50/50.
13:56 - To add to this, while I wasn't a kid when I started Genshin, it was my first time playing a Gacha game like it and for 2-3 years I played it religiously. But as I grow older and itch for more challenges, the game just feels... The same. I didn't realize how much of a change I needed till Starrail came out, and after seeing everything the players asked for - for Genshin, the took note of that and used it to improve Star Rail. That's what made me quit Genshin. I didn't want to, but I felt like I was growing up and eventually growing out of the game and WuWa happens to be the game I was looking for now.
“Wuthering waves just opens up your eyes on travel mechanics”
Meanwhile tears of the kingdom: HOLD MY BEER FACTORY. From orbit
It's obvious to not compare a gacha or a live service game to an offline paid game. It's the best form of gaming , you pay what you want and get exactly what you want without waiting for days, while just waiting for the sequel instead
@@pauloazuela8488 It's not obvious. Gacha games make tons more money than traditional games these days. It's an excuse. Genshin may not have the most fun combat or movement, but that's not the genre it sells as. It's top tier in story, character and world design and competes with traditional AAA games and beats most of them imo. WuWa may have more fun combat according to many, but it definitely fails in comparison to other games in the action combat genre. I enjoy Genshin much more than BotW, but I'd rather play TotK over WuWa.
-why does dragonspine not have a compass after all these years players have chests still lefts there.
-why does Andrius not have a direct Teleport like the other bosses, no matter what way going there is a chore
-why does the Teyvat interactive map not link up with the ingame map? They really expect players to mark off thousands of chest, poi, seeles and other shitnacs etc.
-why do domains not have an alchemy table
-why are late joiners cucked out of limited event weapons, actually game breaking -> limits build options for characters
-why is condensed resin limited to 5 when other gachas have energy storage up to 8000 or more
-why do we have alternative routes to other nations (mountain trail from Liyue to Sumeru) with an amazing view that you will never get to see if you don't actively go there? Instead we go trough the chasm
-why is Beyda harbour landstrip in Sumeru the size of Mondstadt and yet in 10+ minutes of running there is not even a single sweetflower or chest there? Only thing was 1x stonepile.
-why do we in general have whole areas that are just filled with literaly NOTHING for miles on end
-why do we only have little npc variety, everyone looks the same ingame.
-why do billets only drop with a 15% randomized chance forcing players to slave their resin away to old bosses that are not fun if they dream of r5 every single f2p weapon (I have dropped 30+ polearm billets) meanwhile greatsword and bows are like precious shinies.
-why do we only get skins every 6 months or so and it's for niche characters barely anyone uses (nilou, kaeya, klee., shenhe...)
-why are said skins fooken ugly as garbage when meanwhile gamebana shits out amazing skins on the daily.
a bunch of stuff that can be improved upon
in sumeru desert, there is this cliff around statue that is so high and tilted forward to prevent climbing even characters like wanderer and kazuha cannot pass it because stamina limit and tilted terrains, only xianyun can pass it.
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this is what frustrating in genshin, they make terrains that is impossible to climb but put some daily quest on top of those terrain like idi0ts. they should try play the game by themself first before release patch. they even just added national team in character test just recently, before they just put random character without any chemistry
bro, there is an invisible stairs/bridge to cross it from the other cliff near it
ill put it like this.. when genshin launched, i massive whaled and played that game all the way up to zhongli.. around that time i thought things would be cool because how they buffed a character that everyone was let down on.. bit by bit the longer i played the more i realized the game was MASSIVELY greedy. i had a f2p account and my main and i couldnt believe the lack of resources and just overall gameplay i wasnt able to pay unless i bought into stuff. im not going to even talk about the summon system because i hate the fact that the pity isnt even a real pity since you can still lose that 50/50 compared to so many games that just give you the character after so many pulls. the awards / compensation / twitch crap drops .. everything seemed so greedy that i was okay leaving the game. sucked because the characters were cool but i cant with that game. TLDR genshin treats the playerbase like we are asking for handouts and give us the bare minimum for a subpar breath of the wild ripoff
I will spit the truth about how I was so pissed and mad on Genshin dev team.
I am a Day 1 Genshin player since it 2020 ( yes a f**** 4 years )
My major grips with Genshin is that there’s a bunch of bug , glitch and errors that *THEY* didn’t even bother to fix them. Yea , it was like what? few patches later that they decided to fix it? When WE as players sent the feedback to them about how to improve the game but instead. They completely ignored player’s feedback. They ***** add contents that no one asked about.
And all those feedback went to apply in HSR and soon ZZZ. I know this because I DID write to them about salvage the artifacts that we don’t need and use those salvage artifacts’s return item to make a new one and also use a special item that can give the main stats for the new artifacts ( I even wrote to them to approve to be able to forge a artifacts set that we like ) but no , they totally ignore it.
Genshin didn’t want to approve since Covid , they will just throw a new characters and people will start to spend money on it.
-They don’t want to Improve QoL
- The Weapon banner is a ****** Scam. You can lose 15/85 , 25/75 and 50/50 ( Hoyo : Thank you for your generosity that you spend for more than 1000$ )
- Daily quest is the most **** things in the game. If you’re lucky that all your DQ is to kill monsters or destroy a base that’s excellent. BUT if you’re stuck with NPC then GLHF because they will keep yapping and no skip button.
-Artifacts sets are WORSE than Echoes hunting. They will keep give the most useless stats and the one that you don’t want ( I have been try to farm a good sets for Ei but wtf , they keep gave me the ***** sets and it took me almost 1 to 2 months for a good sets for Raiden )
- Meta , god I hate this shit. Genshin is like , if you don’t have certain 5* you’re GG and 4* just feel like a chore and just a sub support. At least Wuwa’s 4* can be also as powerful than 5*
- No one really talk about oculus? Damn , I hate those craps. You spend many hours just to hunt those down and what? rewards just for a few hundred of primo?
- So Genshin’s story , lore and musics are good? sure thing but if you meet any NPC that keeps yapping or Paimon won’t shut up and just keep yapping then Have fun. And most of the quests in Genshin are either NPC yapping and just a few good quests.
I can go on more and I am sure that Genshin stans will come and attack my posts. Then I will say that those stans *DID NOT* played the original 1.0 . They just either start after Liyue or Inazuma when the game is already stable.
At least Wuwa developers knew the problem and fix them while Genshin shills will defends it as it never happened.
About Genshin story, I don't think it's good, it's carried hard by massive lore(which in itself is pretty good) and the whole story of each region can be summarized as rinse and repeat since it's almost no progression with the main objective with finding MC sister, maybe the new quest is by idk I don't play genshin anymore
Damm you got good set for raiden in 2 to 3 months. I’m here still farming for her and it’s my 2nd year farming for that Godforsaken domain😂
@@Khann_2102
Well , I can confirm there's only few stories that are good. But around 99% of the story is either ok or *wtf did I just watch thing*
Nah....You probably shouldn't because after I finish Fontaine Archon Quest Act III I don't have any motivation to play the story anymore...
@@Khann_2102 THIS. Genshin's story execution is bad, it has some good lore but that's it. Most of the side quest, even some of the character quests it's about some NPC i won't remember
@@seijayo324 it's just: We go to a region, we asked for help to find our sister, NPC needs help instead, Paimon yapping and repeating what the others had just said as if this is some "Dora The Explorer" ahh story, then it turns back with no progression
Something that I don't see a lot of people talk about in genshin, regarding the rewards, is how BAD the weapon banner is, like I never pulled on that because it is such a scame, they simply do not give enough resources for a f2p player, the majority of their players, to even hope they can get one without giving up on 2-3 characters, I got both limited weapons in wuwa in the first patch, and in hsr at least I know is a 75/25 and I try, but genshin simply doesn't care
Imagine being a Traveler without having buff to travel arround, it's like ice coffee without ice
the only thing stopping me from playing wuwa over genshin is the optimization, my PC can't run wuwa at all as its outdated as hell, but it runs genshin somewhat smoothly
Launch on and off genshin player here (ive quit like from right before inazuma to mid inazuma and right before sumeru to mid fontaine like 4.4 ish). Great vid but wanna comment a few things.
Ive played both games and think that both have their own upsides and downsides. For one, the world in genshin is way way bigger than wuwa, and there are a lot more smaller things you can do. This is a result of their 3 year advantage but I still thought it was important to point out. I enjoy combat in both games equally, wuwa def requires more skill but it is extremely annoying when the morning aix just makes u able to do nothing for like 10 seconds (I know its meant to be hard but its definitely still annoying). Theres also many control issues on mobile, and while I know it probably isnt meant to be a mobile game it is still annoying. Movement is faster for wuwa but feels extremely clunky, and there are a bunch of small issues I have (turtle long start up animation, ive gotten softlocked out of finishing a puzzle because i messed something up and couldnt reset the puzzle state by teleporting away, non limiting of adding echo exp material, the echo farming just feels like a chore, theres a lot more but these are my biggest gripes) and while i know genshin HAD many of these issues many were fixed or changed (albeit extremely slowly).
I definitely agree that wuwa has the better dev team by far and a more generous gacha system (i love the standard weapon banner its so great and allows me to get the limited 5 stars AND have great weapons for them). Not trying to defend genshin here at all, wuwa has just a better gacha system in every single way.
My point here is not to defend genshin but to say that wuwa has many of its own problems too because it is at its launch state. It is also missing many qol things even though it definitely also added a lot (the running up cliff and skip dialogue especially). Im probably a rare case, but I actually played wuwa for 3 ish weeks then quit and went back to genshin because I got burned out (and wanted to grind for furina, wish me luck pls). I honestly think that while genshins content is limited time wise, there is so much that if you are a casual and slowly complete content it could still be worthwhile. Im sure the wuwa devs will add a lot more in the future but right now I actually enjoy genshin more. But I understand that many long time genshin players are frustrated with the devs not doing the most basic things for the game and want a more generous dev team in another great game.
Thanks for reading this and have a great day. Never expected to write this essay but I wanted to point these things out from the other perspective. Wuwa definitely has a bright future but right now I prefer genshin with its 3 extra years of experience.
"there is so much that if you are a casual and slowly complete content it could still be worthwhile"
nah lol
I blasted through story from mondstadt to sumeru right before dehya release (because I did find the main story quite interesting at least up until that point). after that I realized while there's quite a bit to do for account maintenance and 100% regions, the process is just so fucking painful because of some of the things said in the video and some others.
miserable traversal, day gated domains (quite literally one of the most idiotic things ever thought of), very little resin, events barely if not even giving enough resources as rewards (not even primos/pulls), combat becoming so monotonous with slow AI that just sits there to be hit with reactions, the reaction system itself forcing you to build multiple characters to just make it not as painful (even if you can solo, the gameplay itself becomes even less than barebones - basic af attack animations that aren't even satisfying or cool to look at; unlike WuWa where you CAN still make solo character builds feel good to play, and the vastly different mechanics of each character makes almost everybody very interesting to play and figure out), most major quests barely having anything to do with the main conflict itself and you need dainsleif that comes around once in a blue moon, standard banner that is still very limited, old-basically abandoned characters still being inaccessible even from said standard banner, and so on and so forth
I think the most terrible experience i had with genshin was not even with the game itself but being attacked by random people for saying and liking to play the game. Have nothing against the other Gacha Games and never attacked someone for not liking Genshin so why cant they just leave people alone who still like and enjoy the game?
Another take is spiral abyss bosses are not difficult, they're just a damage sponge for damage check, superconduct wasn't a thing anymore because dendro reaction kills everything in the game now.
A few of the disappointments with Genshin is when Inazuma dropped and you're expecting you'd get a stamina buff from statue of seven, but nope all we got was a wonky grapple line where you need to be at specific angle or position to activate. I never bothered with the statues of seven after Inazuma, as finding the -culus is a pain, when exploring is no longer fun.
Genshin could improve on the exploration, even just tweaking the stamina consumption could help, they could also increase the sprint and climb speed a bit and it would help.
When it comes to combat, it was fun in the beginning, but now it is all huge reaction damage spam. Then you'll always need a shield and healer in the party as your only form of defense is to IF dodge attacks, then you have boss and elites that zip around the fight launching area wide attacks. You'll have to chase them to land hits with your DPS, so you have no choice but to build a reaction spams team and end the fight as fast as possible.
as you said , genshin is a kids game , its not designed for adults or hardcore gamers . its designed for a 6 year olds on their phone .even the character design is targeted towards kids , just look how ridiculous the characters costumes compared to how mature wuwa characters look .the new region in genshin literally look like a game from nintendo 64 era , i can see kids enjoying it but adult gamers will never play genshin again . the only reason why we were playing hoyoverse games is the lack of real competition . now that there is a far superior game in every aspect , most adult gamers will pick wuwa over genshin or honkai .
sincerely, from Kurogame's fanboy
Genshin yes. Star Rail is still great though
Bro saw one picture of Calcharo and thinks the game is for big boys
Ironic since wuwa’s story is made for toddlers. Actually i don’t even think Toddlers will like it
i dislike the way genshin is at the moment, but every gatcha is designed for older incels so since those are the whales that don´t know what to do with the money they make at work
The only thing I hate about WuWa is they change the 90% of the story just because the CN Genshin players didn’t like that dark environment and Chixia pointing the gun at the MC. The CBT1 story was more interesting.
I decided to stop playing genshin on it's first days and I literally don't regret it not even think about it
I recently got back on Genshin, but then I decided to try wuthering waves and wow. Just wow. I don’t even wanna touch Genshin anymore lol. Really hope wuthering waves goes the distance unlike genshin
Genshins new characters doesn’t excite me anymore tbh, like when i saw clorinde/sigewinnes gameplay, it doesn’t have the hype in it, but in wuwa, like the upcoming characters, they actually made me feel super excited, the characters all look so fun with their unique and different play styles !! I haven’t felt that excitement for such a long time
At this point, the only people defending Genshin are the people who genuinely enjoy the elemental reaction system (I can respect them for that)
OR
Whales who have spent way too much money in the game to drop it at this point
Ashamed that I’ve whaled on that game but I’ve deleted it. Sayakas voice “I was so stupid”
Everything you said is true man. So true. I am going to stop spending in Genshin and will start supporting Kuro
Sorry i play genshin only but i respect Wuwa. Maybe i will switch later. For now i hope everyone enjoys whatever game you like!
I play both, but very little to do in genshin after resin
@@ROMVS nice! I feel intimidated to start another game like genshin maybe i should idk. Just don’t like everyone saying one is way better than the other
@@AvengeButterscotch Try WuWa, then you will understand how we feel 😎
@@AvengeButterscotch It’s pretty different and unique but familiar enough. Try it on your own time and pace.
I did stop playing genshin at inazuma and now a am playing everyday Wuthering waves, this game outplayed genshin in many ways
oh wait, I really AGREE from your point you said that genshin have different character, but they have the same mechanic and gameplay.... charge attack spammer, shielder and element enabler, they just feel the same.
Unlike wuwa, every character have different mechanic and ways to play them
What sold me on WuWa was the ability to overcome Gimmick areas via quests.
I hated the sea of fire, but then i realised the gimmick could be removed. So thank god they did that
@@why7654YES! And also the Poison spore in Giant Banyan tree? Where your resonator will immediately killed if you stay there long enough.
@@why7654lol i havent done any exploration quests yet. just finished getting everything in the sea of flames today, including the red mist lv 80 Fractsidus goons up top... They were a pain to take down at lv 60.
Funny part is i was farming echo xp, but got distracted by shinies there and just decided to clear it out. That said, Jianxin makes exploring it a non-issue lol
@@XenoWars have you encountered any shinies in the sea of flames?
@@luckyshikikan6985 By shinies i mean treasures/sonances