An Epilogue to Fallout Tactics - Which Ending is Correct?
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"The Brotherhood was strong enough to send power armored warriors to Mariposa to confront the Lieutenant". That's a funny way of saying "To trip the alarm, making your job harder, but not actually lift a finger to fight the mutants after doing so". ;)
so true lol
Fucking OOF. They didn't do shit to help me either!
Fan patch makes them actually shoot at the mutants at least... they're still only marginally helpful.
Yeah it's way better to let them die.
When that alarm went off I wanted to carry my lil pixels off that base and right into BOS HQ to but a power armored foot up their ass I was ticked 😂
One thing u missed Ox, Caesar DOES mention encountering the Eastcoast brotherhood or at least a few scribes from there. When the courier talks to him about the BOS, he mentions he captured a few of the scribes and claimed they didn’t even know the BOS’s founder Roger Maxson.
The centurions get their lefth arm from their power armours, and i think one even explains that he had to kill a BoS paladin for it
Not East Coast, exactly. Just east of the Mojave. Caesar definitely has the reach to meet the Brotherhood in the Midwest.
Elmer Caesar Fudd
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@@mrnobody2683 Sorry, Caesar did not mention any Brotherhood in this video.
Would make sense for a BoS volunteer from a primitive tribe or isolated town to not know about the organizations early history
Believe it or not, but the Barnaky ending was actually supposed to be canon. The cancelled Fallout Tactics 2 was going to show an even more brutal Midwest Brotherhood of Steel, and a rebel group was going to be fighting against them called "The Cause"
I think the HOI4 mod Old World Blues uses some of this lore, though they moved to Washington rather than taking place in the Midwest. They do use "The Cause" as the rebel BoS faction, though. Maybe that'll be properly expanded in later patches when they expand the map into the Chicago area.
This is how Caesar Legion have the idea to plant people on the cross, thanks barnaky and the romans thousand years ago.
The FT 2 cancellation was a blessing in disguise. I would NOT want thr MWBoS become yet another douchebag chapter. We got Enclave and kinda Maxsons BoS chapter for that. Really hope Bethesda goes for the Destroyed Calculator ending
@@odinulveson9101
Same, brother. Good guy brotherhood is what the world needs.
Cesar made a reference fallout tactics when he said the brother hood of steel doesn’t really care about their history he said they one of their scribes didn’t know their founder Roger Maxson
@RogerWilco99 my bad lol 😂
No not necessarily. He just referenced a Brotherhood scouting party "further east" (which could mean anywhere east from The Fort in Arizona. In Van Buren (which NV takes A LOT of inspiration and lore from), there was supposed to be something called the Maxson Bunker and the Circle of Steel who were addicted to stealth boys and driven insane. That is a much more likely possibility than Caesar taking over the Midwest BoS's "Main base of operations".
@@thecrazedsnowman8578
Perhaps this was a reference to the idea that "The Brotherhood arose from a vault" at the beginning of Fallout tactics.
also remember that acording to New Vegas there is a Enclave refuiling station on Chicago too
Lonesome Road drinking game, take a shot everytime Ulysses says Bear or Bull
And then promptly pass out and wake up in the ER having your stomach pumped.
you wouldn't even get to detonate the second nuke
Sounds like Bitcoin at the moment
If not them, I'd love to see someone who has salvaged their equipment, armor, weapons, power armor and vehicles.
Their badass Enclave-esc Power Armor do be gettin' me hard in a masculine, platonic way. I still prefer the Fo4 Power Armor design. That felt more realistic for the setting, but man the Midwesterns had it good.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 The Midwestern Power armor was by a different Corperation, apparently designed for Civilian use.
My dream fallout 5 is a game where, due to various events, the various chapters of the Brotherhood (California, Mojave, Washington/Boston, Midwest, Appliacia, Texas, and the Pit) meet in some location (I would choose Kansas City for it’s Geographic location being dead center of the continental US) to engage in reunification talks.
Such a location would also allow old factions from all other games to mess with them.
Loved the maps for this video. Really helps give a sense of scale to the powers that be. When playing Tactics I had no idea they moved THAT far and their bunkers were that spread out. Pacifying an area of the American Midwest of that size and scale with the battered remnants of the chapter would most certainly take many years, especially with how much resistance they encountered.
A lot of interesting lore Bethesda could use. I'd love to have them talk more about it, just a mention of skirmishes between the Legion and Midwest BoS- maybe them being driven out of Vault 0 and destroying it entirely on their way out... fun ideas.
I thought Caesar’s Legion did meet the Midwest BoS, since Caesar says “Some of the scribes we captured further East didn’t even know the name of their founder, Roger Maxson.” Correct me if I’m mistaking this for another chapter.
Your not mistaken
4th ending is the most likely , I think , Bethesda should do fallout tactics 2 , help the brotherhood of steel regain its power , defeat the legion , save the wasteland in that area.
@@civilizedhuman7875 I doubt they will. However, it is very likely that one if not the next Fallout will take place somewhere in the midwest.
Could have also been the Texas Chapter
@@jparbiter1972 Didn’t know there was a Texas chapter
The ending you conclude with makes sense. Along with what you've said it goes with the BOS' habit of just destroying massive amounts of tech they deem dangerous (same deal with the Institute).
Would be interested in seeing the warrior-calculator merge be canon though.
And of course I would love to see a midwest Fallout game , they could even try a squad based shooter, but that would be a pretty daring endeavor.
i think a talking power armor wearing deathclaw knight would be quite the introduction to the midwest chapter
I would love to see a remake of fallout tactics to bring it into cannon or at least another game that is set in that region so we can learn what happened.
I'd love a midwestern fallout game, though I'm a little biased as I live in the midwest
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you missed a spot in your legion playthru, if you second guess orders regarding the brotherhood. he says "my legion fought them before, we won, but it was costly, i'd prefer not to do it again."
there will be no mention of the legion because it is the next battle. in van buren. also "opportunistic raiders and bandits" is what many mistake the legion for but it is too late by then. the narrator in BOS tactics has a flare for romantics which explains all paradoxes, making your final conclusion, even with your mistake. the correct one.
once again thank you for opening this up. i hope the bell works.
What are the chances that while the midwest brotherhood did expand in power, they did not move westward enough to meet the other fractions expanded but say went south to control the Mississippi river? Sort of like in Egypt where we see Empires of past mainly focused around the area of the Nile river as it provided life but also an important transportation ion route.
I think a fight between a midwestern brotherhood that accepts mutants into their ranks and the eastern chapter would be neat. The idea of you meeting a Paladin in game who removes their helmet to reveal that they're a ghoul or supermutant could be really nice. It would also works well with the one eighty they did on the east coast chapter from Fallout 3 to 4. There could also be a good power dynamic where the east has more advanced tech but are much less numerous then the midwestern chapter.
The map graphics really help on this one. Something the surprised me is that during (or possibly even after Tactics) the Brotherhood didn't continue to move East or South - possibly leading to Fallout Miami and or references to Wasteland (I know it's a spiritual successor and not directly tied in).
Personally as a Midwesterner (IN) I really want to see what happened to more of the US (and the world's) food source. And maybe find more vaults, other companies, references to A Boy and his Dog or even Kingdom Come from DC Comics (a giant prison in Kansas that's hit with a nuke after a prison riot maybe?). What about the Native Americans in North and South Dakota? References to RoboCop in Detroit, MI, etc? So much untapped potential...
In my mind tactics is bassicly the fallout version of metal gear solid portable opps, it did happen just not in the way we saw it happen
This is just a fan idea but you could combine all endings where the Warrior allows Barnaky (or a negative karma squadmate) to take over the Calculator, but quickly regrets it when the new AI turns out to be power-hungry and anti-mutant and chooses to destroy it instead. This would make both the destruction of the Calculator and the subsequent struggle without resources, AND the BOS internalsplit into the Mutant Liberation Army canon.
Explaining why they have disappeared almost completely, except for perhaps a few NPCs in future games to remember the tale, of how humanity's best chance to start over and all combined pre-war wisdom came to nothing because of human greed.
I think a new Fallout game that pits the East and West chapters against each other is imminent. We see how easily they'll fight each other with Steel Dawn and with Elder Maxim (or his replacement) leading the East, the incentive to combine the two by reclaiming the mid-west chapter would make for a great war...because war never changes.
I’m ok with tactics being canon it’s not that bad of a game but fallout bos can be left to the wolves
Tactics is pretty good actually, story wise.
@@demonspawn5164 Midwestern brotherhood power armor should be called demon spawn power armor
14:46 As bad as the game is otherwise, Brotherhood of Steel set in 2208 DOES show us this. The remnants of the MLA sandwiched in the middle that weren't wiped out or forced to surrender ended up joining Attius's army near Carbon, Texas. Attius is probably the best part of the game, he's a good villain. He's a perfect super mutant(made more intelligent, just as strong, doesn't have the same ego issues that held back Lou Tenant) and he was one of the Master's top scientists. By 2208 he's figured out a way to alter the quadruple helix structure to allow for meiosis. Had he not been stopped, he would have cured the sterility problem and formed the Neo-Unity.
Honestly his one mistake was playing his hand too early because he wanted revenge on the BOS for everything and saw the Carbon Chapter as an easy target to wipe out.
The Thing is that there is still a big possibility that there are still Enclave Forces (at least it likelier to find them there and it´s our biggest clue where they still could be - besides maybe of Canada). Maybe the Mid-Western Brotherhood got into fighting with the Enclave and was mostly wiped out? We don´t know it for certain
I like the Enclave, but we have destroyed them many times in the games. Bringing them back again and again in every game feels like
"Remember when we told you that you destroyed the Enclave in Fallout 2? Well, it turns out that it was not the REAL enclave, just their hobby soccer team! President Henry Eden was the president of their football club, you see!".
I can imagine a future follow game taking place with the Midwest and brotherhood as they reclaim lost territory and fight the remnants of the legion and the enclave that kicked them out of Chicago, because in fallout new Vegas it is reference that there is an enclave outpost in Chicago.
Sorry about all the incorrect words I don’t know what I’m typing anymore
If I remember correctly I saw concept art for the Advanced Power Armor 2 on the fallout 3 wiki which reminds me a lot of the Midwest power armor
I'm sure you've already been told about it 100 times before, but I'd love to see you look at the lore in the old world blues mod for hearts of iron 4
With the way of BoS fight through wars to final victory in Vault 0. I think Warrior sacrifice himself/herself without destroying Calculator and lead the BoS to a new goal with the combined force of Human, Robots, Ghouls, Super Mutants, Int Deathclaws. But focus on Northward to avoid contact with other BoS brands.
The story of cancelled Tactics 2 or Extreme. In first act you play as Canadian rebel against tyranny of BoS. So mostly Midwest BoS expand to the north and spend much resources to Canada thus they minimum contact with other in US for many reasons.
I Actually agree, with Oxhorn on this here, in his video. The 4th ending is most likely to have been the closest possible ending, but beside that, In The Chicago area, The Enclave, would have gained ground not long after the destruction of The Calculator, ( THIS EXPLAINS ) why The so called Midwestern Brotherhood Chapter was Pushed after their numbers dropped tremendously... This Enclave with older veteran Soldiers, Blended themselves into The Population there near Chicago. From there down to St. Louis, So around 2252 The remaining Midwest Brotherhood then took shelter near Ronto after scavenging the entire area over A Five year span... They found A place far North of Ronto ( Toronto Canada )... This is where they began to swell thier numbers, with The Palace Temple of This New Allegiance, making this Brotherhood far different from any other of the known chapters so far... Bringing Thier religious beliefs, to the side, Helping Wastelanders, and many other villages, n smaller factions over the years to gain numbers showing they uphold A lawful strategy, over your Common Raider groups ect, to one Day have A large enough Army to take back Chicago n it's surrounding Towns n grounds from The Enclave who pushed them out A few decades before... This is why Ishmael Ashur, even mentioned Ronto, in his speech... How they envy The Pitt... Who ever is This New leader of this Chapter of This Brotherhood don't see Ashur as much of A threat, but they do want or need his Services... His access, so they can get Guns Ammo, Armored parts for thier New slick Power Armor, with It's Midwestern Brotherhood Ideology, n It's Newly style of Armored Platings. After The Pitt DLC, I believe There are trades made between the two ! But once This Brotherhood got what they needed, they closed down any other trades this has made Ashur resort to A different plan... Which we'll all see soon... In A future Game...!!!!! Well I Hope you all enjoyed that... Thanks Guys... N True Follower Out...!!!!!
Will you be playing the Dlc size mods next to keep the fallout content going? I think it'd be dope seeing these types of vids with fallout miami fallout london etc
I'm so excited for fallout London I need the lore for it so much I need to know everything we have almost no lore for centuries the same for the rest of Europe or whats left of it
Or fallout 3 or new vages remastered
@@cesariojpn oh please, play it.. and roast it like crazy lol
@@cesariojpn Heard they're rewriting the story completely, so let him play it, but in a couple of months/years.
Something tells me that the only cannon taken from Tactics/BoS is that those people exist and not their actions. Sort of like a “Well, they left and we have no clue what happened to them or what theyve done” in the grand scheme of the Bethesda universe. They probably done it to make their Fallout universe seem more diverse and far reaching than it really is and perhaps to tease potential future titles.
Aye
this is exactly it. Thta and individual minor events or details that establish their presence in some form but don't stop them from redoing things in a different story they decide to make later. They don't want to say that the BoS aren't there or haven't been there because that limits their stories and until they are ready to make those stories they want to keep their options open. Though there is conflict with all 4 endings. Even the calculator destruction ending. Becuse that still creates conflict with the Legion that does not exist in the official canon.
I really hope that Bethesda plans to make Fallout Tactics again. It's possible the first half of Fallout Tactics (minus the reference to the robot army) all happened. When Lyons' chapter passed through they found them but as several characters mention, the midwestern chapter has "gone rogue" meaning they want nothing to do with anyone that came from the west. Perhaps Bethesda plans to redo Fallout Tactics from the ground up? Maybe they'll make it so the midwestern chapter has kinda just been trying to survive for the last 100 years or so in Chicago, but then the events of Fallout Tactics will take place in their remake or re-do of the story in whatever future game they plan on.
Super awesome wrap-up. I've been a FO fan since the original, like 25 years now, but there is still new lore to find. Thanks Ox. Loved the series.
In my head the canon ending is putting Barneky in the Calculator, because after seeing that ending i can just imagine the sequel.
You're a new member to the Mutant Liberation Front rebelling against the tyrannical Brotherhood, and when you come face to face with the calculator you find out it was a lie, the calculator is actually the Warrior, who took up Barneky's name and promise because of how much he felt his mentor was needed for humanity.
Oxhorn pls do some of the mod campain they are really good
Im looking foward for the fallout london mod ;)
Edit: sorry for my bad English
Lol, you really don't have to apologize. Your English was fine.
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say the Midwestern Chapter has been underground after being hit hard by some new faction and we'll get to team up with them (or the enemy) in the next Fallout. Assuming we don't get another 76.
The planned Tactics 2 and Fallout 3(Van Buren) both suggested the Barneky Ending was canon.
What about everything right with tactics?
I was wondering if there would be an epilogue.
Now I'm curious if Oxhorn will play Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel if not for the lore then for the gameplay, perhaps a Scotch and Smoke rings stream of Brotherhood of Steel
I would honestly be so happy if you made several more videos on fallout tactics.
Bethesda: Old Fallouts dumb.
Also Bethesda: using joke item from Fallout 2 as actual currency in their games.
Yeah, I wouldn't call anything after Tactics 100% canon either.
In his previous vedio oxhorn shows how bethesda used all the ideas from tactics in fallout 3 and 4, but says tactics is not cannon
9:43 God this conflicts with Caesars Legion, never thought about it like that
Bru would’ve saved a lot of people some trouble
There is more than enough room for all fallout stories to be canon.Thanks from Panama city beach FL
Ha, all these years in my heart I knew that destroing the claculator was the right ending. It just felt most "fallout" to me.
Brotherhood has bad habit of shipping east anyone they disagree with, and the fact they know they never heard back from any of them suggests they know they're sending them to death.
I want to see fullscale war between Midwestern and eastern BoS. Where lower tech BoS with ghoul, Super mutant, Dwarf and deathclaw members versus the t60 armoured high tech pure breed BoS. Would also be fun if we get midwestern enclave as some semi good guys which could help either side depending how the quest lines goes or even terminated.
Hi, Ox!
We looked at your playlists and didn't see that you made the Fallout New California playthrough. Are you going to?
Im guessing that this was why Bethesda couldn't say tactics was canon because maybe they didn't want to undermine whatever ending choice the players chose for tactics? But the logical choice which they did factor in was the 4th ending of tactics. Because war.. war never changes.
I hope so I would love too play a Fallout in a less civilized area with great tracks of land like the mid west. We could run in too Rad cougars, paddle fish, or even bison the vast farmlands would be a great place too introduce vehicles back into the Fallout franchise. The main character an his vault can be saved by the brotherhood of steel from a vicious pack of gophers or something for all I care as a child an helps them expand or be destroyed by joining the gopher king.
we also have an enemy in Chicago and Detroit chapters of enclave which mid west BoS would need to fight also. Also no ending has exact time tables and if BoS mid west is hold up fighting for many deceniums fighting the mid west groups of the enclave before going west.
A Mid-west Fallout Game feels a bit overdue, especially now that the East is being developed, and so early in the time line with Vault 76. (Whether or not that gets the same fate as Tactics we'll be seen) I've done some fan art of very minor things of what I like to imagine St. Louis looks like after these events (and some general fallout fanart of prewar structures as I live in the midwest) and wonder if theres a way to share it? If nothing more than to toot my own horn of "I did this", but at most, get some curious feed back?
Been watching your stuff steadily for a couple of years now. It seems like some 40k lore would be cool. The lore stuff was always my favorite and that has alot of fallout style lore
I feel as excited as in a wedding. I bet this video is what "marries" the story with what I saw on the other games. I own none of those, so I'm quite giddy about watching this one
Hello Guys, Me Again...!!!! But one other part I left out of my last comment.... Anyways ..
This is why 30 years before Fallout 3's timeline, is roughly about the moment that was ( The Scourge ) by then The Midwestern Brotherhood Chapter had already been pushed out of the Chicago area A Few Years before, When Elder Lyons, came through... He couldn't find The Midwest Chapter anywhere, because they had already been holding up in camps in Areas North of ............( Toronto Canada ) aka Ronto, This would explain how this could be... Anyways I hope this clears that Up.... For any further Fallout Games.... Until then.... True Follower Out...!!!!!
I think there is also an another possibility with the 4th ending destroying calculator . Its mentioned that in Chicago there is group of outcasts and that Brotherhood from midwest was weak in the 4th ending . My theory suggests that Enclave probably encountered the weak midwest Brotherhood which to for some reason didnt really got strong over years and succeded only partly in rebuilding the midwestern wasteland . Later they were crushed by Enclave forces fleeing east and only thing left from the midwestern brotherhood is a small group of remnants who survived and settled down near Chicago . There is also a chance that brotherhood was destroyed by another threat ,maybe a civil war in it destroying most of remaining forces or even the faction lost power through time and during the Lyons Expedition there were only few remnants of this faction.
Personally, I had some issues with Tatics on a story and lore level. I liked the beginning and how the airship fleet went out and most of it got downed. But after that, there come a lot of issues. I feel that the is to large in scale. The Midwestern chapter becomes really strong and conquers a lot of territory too fast. Essentially removing a lot of other possible avenues for other future Fallout projects. The game kills the possibility for further story development in over half the world of Fallout. That being said, this game throws a lot of fun concepts out there that I would like to see continued in Fallout.
The destruction of the Calculator is in my opinion cannon. Even if Cesar did meet them I don’t think he saw them as a effective force. This would also explain the centurion armour. They fought them at their weakest and didn’t think there was more of them near Colorado.
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I agree, the destruction of the calculator is the only ending that would make sense. IIRC somewhere is mentioned that there is/was an Enclave outpost in Chicago, if they gone active and threatens the Midwest BOS, this could be a reason to pull back their forces to Chicago and weakens them enough to go into hiding.
Well, I believe within the 84 years, Another New Generation of The Enclave Army, would have pushed into the Chicago area, began to battle This Small rogue Brotherhood of Steel... So The Elders, decided to allow The Enclave to control the area, then they traveled around through The State of Michigan crossing The United States of America & Canada Boarder.... then Aiming thier reconstruction of Thier Faction, to lay low, building thier forces... come upon.. A Grand Caven... North of Ronto... this place becomes The Greatest Base ever build by Any of The Brotherhood of Steel... after some time, they began to see that some Ghouls are resourceful & not Thier Enemy... allowing None Feral Ghouls to then Join The Ranks of This New Found Allegiance of Steel... still known as The Brotherhood of Steel, but under A new found Agenda.... After 20 some odd years, Then Supermutants, That came to them in peace, They too, were expected By The New High Elder, who was Crowned... to be More as A King... with this new Empire, They began to send Scouts, back West... finding The Enclave, has now taken thier focus off of Chicago... So The Brotherhood then see's Ronto... as The Perfect place to keep thier Main HQ, hidden as A secret... only to Members, of High enough rank Are allowed entrance..... this too changes... years after... but One must have Moved up forward enough to become A Lieutenant in The Brotherhood of Steel's Allegiance Forces..... for The Safety of The Secrecy of The HQ, & The High Elders well being...!!!!! This is why... No matter Fallout Tactics ending.. You cant see How Its ending.. would match up to be Canon!!!!!!!
I always figured the canonical ending was the one where you destroy the Calculator myself. It's kind of the "Honorable" path for The Warrior. Since the Chicago Brotherhood's entire point was to defend the tribals that had sworn loyalty to them. Destroying the Calculator was the only way to really live up to those oaths. Including for The Warrior his own tribe that he was recruiting from. There's no promises that whatever brain would join the Calculator would somehow not be subsumed into the Calculator's twisted visions and start up the whole thing again.
The Warrior is just that. A Warrior. Not necessarily a scholar. Someone who would do what the need to do in order to follow their orders and their ideals.
It's also the ending that does the least harm as it were. If you destroy the Calculator the fate of the Chicago Brotherhood is kind of just limited to the MIdwest. They don't (or won't) interact with the other regions of the Fallout games for many, many decades. Thus leaving it open ended for a potential followup.
Now... the one I think that was the most interesting ending is if Barnaky became one with the Calculator. Because ultimately the set up of the Brotherhood preparing for War with the NCR/Lost Hills/Ceaser's Legion, with the Mutant Liberation Army stuck between them? That's a good set up for a Fallout game to exploit. You have a new region that would be covered (Colorado and Utah perhaps). You have multiple factions involved (The Khan Empire to the North perhaps, NCR/Brotherhood alliance to the West, Chicago Brotherhood to the East, Legion to the South, and Mutant Liberation Army in the middle).
I love you video's, I've been watching you for years, so thank you @Oxhorn !
Overall, I like Fallout Tactics) It was pretty brave project, and I like it's tactic mechanics, as well as the idea of using vehicles. I would like to play Fallout Tactics remake, if Bethesda will ever make one, with all the lore and mechanical issues fixed)
By the way, this map visualisation of the factions' influence areas is very cool and pictorial) Thank you for this wonderfull series of vids about this game, for I doubt I would have played it in it's current state by myself, but it's story and the game itself are wery interesting)
I think all *could* be canon...since there's such a gap in between the game and Fallout 2. Something could have happened to halt the spread of the Calculator's BoS. There's always a Lone Wanderer-type around to ruin someone's plans.
Wait. Doesn't Lyons mention about a Bunker in the Midwest in Fallout 3 or something? I remember that.
Alright One last thing, Sorry this Midwestern Brotherhood, would have made trades with Ishmael Ashur, after Fallout 3 but before Fallout 4's Timeline... In those few years Many Manufactured Parts were exchanged, from Ashur To The Midwestern Brotherhood Chapter... This then created A short lived Tready, This Brotherhood isnt for Slavery, Thier beliefs, are against it, but They settled the differences. To gain Thier advantage to have the equipment to soon make War, with The Enclave Units, who had them removed from The Chicago area... With full intentions to retaliate, when Thier forces have these Supplies & Gear, This is A war, that is due, to come into A future Fallout Game.... Will Ismael Ashur, play A role in this, or will he remain loyal to his Raider Slaver Faction he created himself.... Only time will tell...until then...True Follower Out....!!!!!
Well, Ox, you assume, that nothing significant happened between the Fallout Tactics endings and the next Fallout games. The ending narrations may refer to just a couple of decades after the game. A lot of unwritten yet stories could happen later. For example, a civil war in the BOS and Calculator alliance, which destroyed them both.
I think the 5th ending is what happened, the warrior and the MWBoS simply died. Some of the dialogue from FO3/4/NV did state that they didn't receive any news or even rumors of BoS presence or any group resembling them when Lyons went through the area. He didn't even encounter any of the bunkers or even simple outposts set up by the MWBoS. This MAY mean that they just failed and died like what happened to the Appalachian BoS and their remains and tech was picked clean leaving nothing left for Lyons to encounter. This "ending" does have it's own plot holes but it still is possible considering how dark Fallout truly is.
I ABSOLUTELY agree with this assessment! When I was first playing this years ago, I came to the same conclusion that "destroy the Calculator" was the canon ending because it not only allowed the Warrior to survive in one piece, but also allowed for potential sequels if the Brotherhood still had to struggle despite now having the resources of Vault 0.
On a related note, I REALLY wish they'd been able to make Fallout Tactics 2; the story was, and I quote:
"The game would have focused on an irradiated G.E.C.K. that was creating mutant plants and fungi. The mutant garden begins to spread fairly rapidly, preying upon animal life for fertilizer. The player character is tasked with discovering the source and a way to put an end to it." Awesome.
I am convinced that the idea of Tactics 2 became the Mire in 76.
I'd say the vault in New Vegas that the NCR sends you to (sorry, terrible with remembering the numbers), but yeah. A lot of the old ideas get recycled in some way. Like the Van Graffs from the canceled Fallout 3 becoming a minor plot arc and gang in New Vegas. Or the "Vault Tec was responsible for nuking the world" from the Fallout Movie pitch getting turned into Vault Tec cracking into a nuclear weapon assembly plant to keep launching nukes willy nilly in 76.
@@johnbones3455 That's a very good point!
@@hitomisalazar4073 I'm really hoping they use Victor Presper from Van Buren as the next main villain; his backstory as pre-war Presidential Scientific Advisor makes him a VERY dangerous adversary with an IQ to match or surpass even Mr. House. His "other backstory" of being an NCR scientist means he's a big part of NCR society as well, making him even more formidible (HE could be the Director of the OSI). His master plan involved using the New Plague if I remember correctly, making finding a cure a major quest (like Macready's son on a bigger scale). You can even have The Institute on the west coast if you wanted...remember CalTech? It's full name is the California INSTITUTE of Technology 😁
My question is, why was there a mention of an enclave refueling station in NV, but there’s nothing in Tactics that support that bit of lore? A theory could be that the Midwest Brotherhood discovered this shortly after crashing and discovered the Advanced/XO-1 Power Armor, modifying it into the design we see in game.
I really like the thumb nail. Does anyone know where this image is from?
The fourth ending could also allow the Enclave in Chicago to still exist. As is stated in NV. A chapter trying to rebuild itself in no shape to expand could mean the two haven't met yet or if they did the BoS were not in a position of strength to fight them. Or the Enclave never had to worry about them the BoS were so little they were never a threat to them so why waste resourses dealing them? Or they just left them as the MW BoS faded away. Or some of them were absorbed into the Chicago detachment of the Enclave.
I believe though the best way to put this whole thing to rest is to do another spin off single player game like NV the NV2 people are asking for but set it in Chicago and put to rest indefinitely what was canon and what wasnt. Bethesda can still keep to their storytelling on the east coast with their numbered Fallout games. I want to know tbh if Vault 0 and the brain themselves are canon as there is no reference of them at all in Bethesda Fallouts. No one speaks of stories about a vault and its army of robot servants.
my head cannon is that the Midwest, weakened by destroying the calculator, was broken by the legion at Vault 0/Denver, and then wiped out by raiders
It sounds like the Enclave was pulling strings quietly till the very end. It explains why there wasn't a large Brother Hood faction in the Midwest afterwards.🇺🇸
Awesome!! I never thought. Thank you sir. Now I understand.
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I think the Midwest BOS does still exist, but is operating a skeleton crew and are practically just hibernating, like the West Coast BOS in Fallout 2. Eventually, they will come back, but for now they hide away.
Right ok, the Thumbnail has a 2 A6M2-N’s, a Beechcraft V-tail and a CH-47 Chinook with a rocket in the back flying towards a BoS airship with what looks to be being towed by smaller rocket lowered airships. Makes sense
yeah fallout tactics art was gloriously weird, and they got very rushed, so I guess they just took the concept arts and said "good enough". I think there's also a space shuttle in that flying convoy.
I have to agree, unfortunately the calculator was destroyed. That ending is also following the orders given by general Decker during the last mission.
Ox, you're the best Fallout You Tuber around, keep up the amazing work.
I believe the Barnaky ending still could be canon. like you said groups like Caesars Legion never say never said they met a group of mutants or fought the midwestern brotherhood you just have to look to their centurions. The centurion's armor is made up of the gear of the opponents they have defeated for example a power armor pauldron, combat armor boots and mutant scrap armor for the breastplate and cap that had to be looted from somewhere. we can't forget the centurions who serve the monster of the east who put Colorado to the sword are equipped with marksman carbines, super sledges, thermic lances and even anti material rifles that's a pretty advanced arsenal for just a tribal force unless they looted it from a sophisticated adversary. not to mention Caesars knowledge on brotherhood self-destruct protocol when the courier asks for more info on their target. just something to think about
The good ending could be canonical or at least canonized by a few key retcons. 1. The Midwest Brotherhood didn’t set up the meeting with the Elders at Vault 0 until some point AFTER the events of New Vegas. They didn’t spread farther west right away and eventually do clash with the Legion and wipe them out or at least weaken them 3. The Legion never settled past the mountains, never finding Vault 0 and most of the the MW chapter was dispatched to its eastern territories to built up the settlements so they could still hold those territories 3. Lyons made his way East too quickly, just barely missing any interactions with the MW chapter.
It’s… messy… but doable.
But the legion DID encounter the Brotherhood in the midwest.
He says that they hardly even have any idea what they stand for and hardly any recolection of their past.
This would make sense as the Midwest would be a VERY Tribal brotherhood and by the time of the legion, largely having moved on from their history.
In the thumbnail there is a A6M2-N how did they get thier hand on it
The one where the western brotherhood falls back to the midwest and builds a time machine to the year 1893.
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Hey Ox. I would love to see you make a series on Wasteland 2 lore.
Also ATOM RPG or "Russian Fallout" has an amazing story and very similar gameplay to the first 2 Fallouts.
I think these are games you'll enjoy doing lore videos for.
I would love a series on ATOM RPG.
Doesn't the Enclave have a presence in Chicago?
What if events similar to Fallout 3 happened in Chicago, but the Enclave snuffed out the Brotherhood?
The only thing I can think to support this was ED-E stopping at an Enclave outpost on the way to Navarro...
Plus, the Legion had to have clashed with the Brotherhood...their Centurion armor contains power armor. We only assumed otherwise because NCR heavys wore stripped power armor, but that couldn't account for all pieces...
When the Enclave remnants were passing through the Midwest on the way to Raven Rock they were pretty depleted. Since it was basically just survivors from Navarro. By which time the Midwestern BoS probably would have been strong enough to fend them off. Never mind all of the other hazards in the area, due to the Calculator's destruction being the only possible canon ending for Tactics, if they keep that plot string. The BOS and Enclave probably intentionally avoided each other. Trying to stay off the other's radar,
I like to think that the Midwest Brotherhood of Steel is part of the reason the Legion is doomed to fail.
And I like to think the Calculator destruction and the pragmatic rebuilding of the Mid-western US with the MW BoS spearheading the effort, as the true canon ending
Used to be old BOS new BOS, now it's Bear Bull bear bull
Always enjoy your lore videos😁
So it's semi canon ?
Great
Would like them to incorporate the Midwestern Brotherhood in the next one but I have a feeling that you'd need to have a cannon ending for Fallout New Vegas and 4 to do it.
If they got the writers from New Vegas to do it, that would work. The ones from 4, I have my doubts.
I think Microsoft bought obsidian so we should have a new and awesome fallout game like new Vegas
@@nathanhuelett9829 yea Microsoft own obsidian and they also own the inXile entertainment they made some of original fallout but I heard some people work on fallout new Vegas left plus if it dose happen it will be years Bc all 3 studio got there hand full rn
Hi Oxhorn. An image from bad karma ending would be an excellent print. Don't you plan to put it up for sale?
I love how much you know about the Fallout law, And make really educated predictions.
You should consider doing the og fallouts again with the save game editor haha. Go straight to mariposa base full unarmed godmode XD. Love your content Ox!
I hope the next Fallout game is on the "Eerie Stretch" and Ronto. New York and all the other major cities can wait.
I think a Brotherhood backed by massive robots would of mopped the floor with Caesar so he turn away from it to gain more power then met the Ncr
It has always been my understanding that the general events of _Tactics_ (e.g. the main Brotherhood sending a detachment of soldiers and scribes throughout the Wasteland to search for technology, the battle with the semi-sentient computer, _et cetera)_ are canon, but that the intricate details of the game (e.g. character names, weapons, specific locations, _et cetera)_ are not canon.
I'd be interested in having a nuclear (steam/wood?) powered motorbike or othrr vehicles in future fallout games.
But wasnt that talked about at the end of Fallout 2? How the BrotherHood sent airships to the east coast?
did you watch the video?
@@BBaaaaa Yes, He only showed the part from the beginning of Fallout Tatics, Fallout 3 and Fallout 4, I didnt see anything from Fallout Two about the Brotherhood sending the Airships.