AE86 vs GR86: Which one is worth it?
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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A Toyota AE86 costs about the same as a brand new Toyota GR86. For $30k, which one is REALLY worth it?
Huge shout out to Abraham for letting us drive his beautiful AE86: / a.p._86_garage
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Michael Schumacher and Ken Block both deserve Up To Speed episodes.
At this point any up to speed episode will do. Also did somebody check on the guy who counts the day? Is he alright?
@@TheStrangeVisitor he gave up... ;-;
No they don't
totally right on that man, but dont forget Sabine Schmitz!
Those 2 deserves a lot of info on Up to Speed. Let's not forget the Up to Speed on the Dakar Rally.
Thanks Donut Media for featuring my AE86. Hope everyone enjoyed it as I did. 🤙🏽
I've never been an AE86 guy, but that's a beauty you have there! 😎 👍 There's just this special "x-factor" with the 80's-90's Toyota sports cars. 💜
Awesome car man! Props! 🙌💯
Sweet car dude! Especially the interiors, looks so mint my guy.
cleaaaaan build man love your car!
Thank you!
The 4A-GE engine was also put in the MR2. The AW11 series MR2 was so fun to drive. I loved the t-tops as well. Man I miss that car. The shifter was the coolest I’ve ever seen. It was a little slightly banana shaped shifter.. Super short throws, buttery smooth, and the way they set the center console was perfect. You could literally rest your forearm on the center tunnel, and shift with just your wrist.
My little AE86 had the supercharger from the 4agZE, surprisingly beastly bit of kit.
I love my mr2. My manual trans one doesn’t run anymore but I daily my automatic and it’s an amazing car. Everything the 86 does it does better. No body roll and gives you more of that “sport” feeling, weighs less too in Japan than the 86. If Takumi went against a first gen mr2 with an equal skills driver either NA or supercharged he would get demolished. Also that snap oversteer everyone brings up with mr2’s really only affects the 2nd gen.
Absolutely love these videos. Donuts shifted back to real life videos like this and the skyline video, which I love to see. Keep up these kind of videos!
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Really have to respect how they listened to the comments
As an 86 owner. I’m really glad you guys gave minimal attention to initial d and gave a bit more attention to some other things the AE86 was famous for, more people should know about N2 and things like hotversion
Hot Version is where it’s at!
I couldn't agree more. The AE86 is by far one of the most fun cars i have ever driven I have driven a lot of cars.
Yeah people always think initial D is the only reason it’s famous. It was a cheap sporty car for the public at the time and had a successful run in track races and rally
Truth
@@trolleyracingmaster7075 also the other races that it was in, N2 is one of the most exiting races that I can think of, just a ton of 86s with screaming 4AGs going around Tskuba or Nikko, amazing
It's well said about lower-end sports cars. You can push it to the limits as the limits are pretty low, and it's what makes them so fun.
As the old addage says, it's much more fun to drive slow cars fast, than it is to drive fast cars slow.
Yeah, a lot of compact sports cars nowadays have tiny turbocharged engines, 2L i4 to 3L v6, but they manage to squeeze out so much hrsprs out of them
I enjoy driving my RSX more than driving my mom's ZL1 Camaro. Don't get me wrong the ZL1 is a blast but I just prefer vehicles that I have to beat the crap out of lol
I had a 77 Celica GT and I've never had more fun in a car. I could drive it basically as hard as I wanted and never even really be in danger of getting in trouble.
I don't know if your really pushing the limits with the newer one, sure you can hold it wide open 2x as long as any other car but the rest of the car could handle more power than it has.
I've actually been watching initial d for the first time and the history and passion that people used to have for cars is admirable. This car is great and I love the impact it had
I love how you both bounce off eachother when presenting rather than having individual lines to say which dont interact, it really makes the presenting feel very natual
I just want to thank donut! Today I got accepted for an apprenticeship with Toyota and I don’t think I would be as into cars as I am without donut. I have been watching for a few years now and im finally old enough to get out there and get the experience from professionals.
P.S. what a coincidence that the day I get accepted into Toyota, donut(my favourite UA-cam channel) make a video about Toyotas lol.
Good luck brother.😊
Nothing better than re/building a Toyota and hearing her vroom!!!!
CEL flashing ofcourse.
It is the way!
Just stay away from snap on while you're starting save yourself from the debt
@@radelement3987 biggest mistake I ever made, spent 13k in aud on Snap-on. Tools me two years to pay that off
@@radelement3987 said no one ever.. now come to my tool truck, we have a sale 😏
Congrats and taking the next step. Awesome that Donut played such a role in your journey. Keep us posted!
Felt like an old school top gear segment, so cool that people are keeping the dream alive.
legit just commented this, scrolled down and saw your comment. great minds think alike
Did the same thing, commented, found you guys haha.
Agree!
@@ctfreeman2530 the AE86 shows the true case of being the unbounded.
Donuts definitely kept the dream alive and built on it in their own way. Gotta be the best car content producers out there now.
9:55 ain't that a Lambo in the background, what a time to shoot a video on the 86
Out of all the Donut videos I’ve watched this is the one that makes me a little jealous. Spending a day with cool cars out on PCH in Malibu and through the canyons? Just a great way to make a living😁
Nolan falling out of the GE86 is 1000% the most relatable thing on this show! 🤣
The GR86 is hard to get in and out of. Im under 6ft and constantly hit my hat or head getting in. Also, the extended flared out side panels under the door are very prone to get scuffed up and stepped on by people on their way out the car.
He ran out the clutch and stalled it too, THEN he fell out of the car. Gotta have balls to not reshoot that on a car channel lol
GR
@@iansaunders8539 im 6ft and have no trouble getting in, my 5ft 6 gf however have trouble getting in, very strange
Haha soo true, already happened to me on my 2013 BRZ
The AE86 SR5 was my first car when I turned 17 (2004) working at Blockbuster. Paid $700. Always wanted one growing up watching Option & Drift Tengoku VHS tapes.
Ended up with 5-6 more AE86’s after that one. My last one I sold in 2011. This car has my ❤
That's the best way to experience these cars. They are not $30k driving experiences, but you certainly got your money's worth at a $700 entry fee. Comparing to other vehicles of the era you can pick up, the AE86 is a $10k experience with a $20k comic book tax.
In 1993 it was love at first slide. My boys had a 210 and a coupe they would slide in the rain late night in our complex. Bought in 2005 $1,100 running and drove from Weston to Homestead, still have that black hatch 86 out back my GZE AW11 and a coupe GTS.
$700? Lucky bastard..
5-6?
What is ur current
It’s always a tough decision between the Levin front end and the pop up headlights. Either way, looks awesome❤
Love the old boxy cars, there is just something magical seeing all those classic straight lines and angles on a car body.
The most casual way Nolan stumbled out of the GR86 had me folded up in laughter
After stalling the engine, too! That was a meme moment as far as I'm concerned XD
The editor of the channel can use that fragment to the end of time to make a point -- even if said point has nothing to do with Nolan
not ashamed to admit i've fallen out of my frs(when i had it) a few times exactly like that lol
As a 23 GR86 M/T owner I can agree with how beautiful the driving experience is of this car. It’s not the fastest, but the amount of communication you get through your hands, and the seat is magical. I drove a BMW 330i for a couple weeks while my GR was in the shop and missed it every day. Yes, the BMW was faster, and more comfortable, but for me driving fun is about connectedness with the car you’re driving and the GR86 delivers it in spades. If you’re thinking about it, buy it, because who knows how long gas only, rear wheel drive sports cars are going to be around for.
But is it worth spending a bit more for more speed, like the new mustang?
That sounds exactly how I feel about my S2000.
@newzealanddeeksealant4369 you won't have the same connection to the road in a Mustang. It's a good car, but it's not like a GR86
have fun with that rtv in your oil pick up
Rtv make engine go boom boom
Insane work and effort put into this professionally produced video
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My first car was an Oldsmobile Starfire GT , a Hatch with a 231 V6 (105 HP). My next car was a Nissan Sentra SE-R 2.0 (145 HP)....I now have a 2015 Scion FRS RS-1 and I feel like it is a good combination of both of those cars.....and I love it.
I'm not surprised that the steering wheel in the new car feels steery but the fact that the shifter doesn't feel shifty really shocked me.
Sad that the pedals don't feel pedally
Knobs don’t feel knoby
wipers don't feel wippery
If you were able to really rip through the canyon in the GR86 I’m sure you’d see why these the such good enthusiast cars. I take my GT86 through local canyons and it’s so much fun through the corners. I can only imagine what the AE86 feels like!
From someone who was alive when the AE86s were released, they are dumb, slow cars. People mod the crap out of them to make them cool, but stock they are a joke. They barely make 100hp. The end. It is weird watching people willingly be brainwashed about a car.
My hakone has quickly become my forever car because of taking it through the mountains here and going to the track in the Ozarks
@@NekoWinters awesome! I track it at UMC apart from driving the canyon!
I've got a friend who lives in Japan, and daily's a BRZ. He said the AE86 feels almost identical to his BRZ, but without power steering so props to Toyota for making it feel similar
I don't think a stock ae86 has enough power or torque to be able to drift, at least not decently or continuously.
Love the ae86 platform. They have skyrocketed in price so I just now settled for a 2014 BRZ with 29,000 miles. Love it after owning it a month. So much fun.
Sick video! I should make one of these at the end summer with my 3UZ FRS and Beams 3SGE ae71 corolla
Please make a High/Low series on something like these cars together. Old/cheap car gets the expensive bits and the expensive/new car gets the cheap parts!
That would be amazing
As an AE86 owner, I can tell you that there's NOTHING cheap for these cars. Good idea, but not with the 86.
@@ClintTrawick Yes, I kind of got that from the episode, but perhaps there's some other car models that would fit the idea? Not that I have any suggestions myself, but it sounds like a good idea (in my own head anyway)!
I'm a year and 30k miles into GR86 ownership and am completely in love with the car!
Bro. You drive 30k miles a year?
@@TheSaturdayNights it's my DD, I live an hour from the local autox/TNiA road course, I go to every cars and coffee, car show, cruise night I can find and I also go on pleasure drives with my friends pretty often too. Been through almost 4 sets of tires in those miles too, just getting to the end of my second set of snows.
Lol I'm about to hit 40k
@@MosquitoXR13 makes sense why your car has 30K miles. And daymm. You did some drifting in a snow as well. Sheesh.
5 months. 4k miles in my 23 GR86. It's been a blast. 2nd fav car ever owned (S2K AP2 1st). Even more fun than my old car (2016 BRZ).
Videography and editing looks amazing!
I used to own an ae101 trueno GT-Apex. Yeah it was fwd, but that sweet, sweet 4age engine with ITBs and VVT combined with a lightweight chassis made it an absolute joy to drive. I currently have an rs200 altezza, and I am seriously considering selling it to buy another 4age corolla. Cracking cars
try looking at 2zz powered Toyotas aswell, basically a newer 4age
The content lately is A+, thanks fellas
As a GR86 owner, I can say first hand that I absolutely love the car. It's very fun to drive, and it's surprisingly pretty quick with this new engine considering the weight of the car.
The area I'm in doesn't have many twisty type roads, but I can tell it takes corners flawlessly. The suspension is very stiff since it is basically a track focused car, so you can feel every little bump, lol.
Drifting the car feels very good as well. It's very predictable to control during a drift. The 86 has more of a tail happy suspension setup (which I love) compared to the brz, which is more center grounded.
The cons with the car for me is the fake sound that gets pumped into the car, which I had to unplug after a week owning because it was loud and annoying (you pop open the side panel on the passenger side and unplug it there)
The other con I have is more of a concern. Subaru uses excessive silicon sealant on their oil pans instead of a gasket, and people are having problems with that sealant getting into the oil pan, and then clogging the pickup tube. (From what I know, about 3 cases of engines have blown because of it)
Other than that, If you're considering this car, I highly recommend it. I could never be happier with the car.
This is my first manual sports car, and I was lucky enough to be on a waiting list for 6 months and got one of the first 2023's off the port. Also, if you're willing to learn manual, this is a great car to start with.
It's a great car, shame that the dealers are absurdly asking over MSRP.
@Razvan30 ngl I even paid over MSRP. I got mine for 40k, which honestly isn't too bad from seeing other dealers' prices. I've seen some going for 50k+
Wish they put a inline 4 engine in the gr86. All my mechanic friends from Toyota hate working this car and the supra😂 but it is a very nice looking car❤
great perspective. I think I'm definitely going to get one of these as my next car when I can afford it. Prettymuch the only car offering this kind of driving experience on the market. At least at a somewhat reasonable price.
there's more cons to this car for sure. specially with how weak the engine and drivetrain is. and don't get me started with the price tag. car shouldn't be past 29k even for the "special edtion" models.
that little hit of horns at 00:26 was straight LOTR.
Great vid donut!
My two favourite cars ,Great work Nolan and jobe thanks guys respect 🙏
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Nolan has really blossomed into a great on-screen personality. Love to see it.
Easy to do when he can just follow Zach’s lead
@@roddydykes7053 Was he following Zach's lead when he stalled the GR86 and fell out of it, only to immediately deliver his line? You can't teach that kind of talent. xD
If I had $30,000, I’d definitely get the AE86 not because of Initial D growing up but because it’s a car that you see rarely sometimes and it’s a car that despite its age, is a timeless classic
I’d do the sane thing because the gr86 looks very luxurious and it is obviously a sports car and i live in a 3rd world country, i am certain it would get vandalised at some point because it happens alot. Ae86 however, No one would vandalise or steal a 38 year old toyota would they?
@@noodle7897but still spending 30k it's infact even more cuz we live in 3rd world country which means have to spend 5 times more money
@@mrmap4875well that's considering i the cars cost the same you know, also now i thought about it the newer car would be taxed alot wouldnt be affordable even if it was free
@@noodle7897 yeah but modren car have better fuel economy nd overall quality but if i really wanna buy a vintage car i would buy bmw e30 or 36 from 90s tyota is great but bmw have a sort status to it nd people won't vandalise it i live in India nd saw some old bmws nd some lancers too people they very rare but still people own them
tbh in the sequel MC drives the GR86 so either one is good choice for intial d fan
Love this barebones style video wayyy more than the over the top stuff y’all put out, personally!
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Loving that white GD3 honda fit sport at the end
Petition to make a shirt that says "The steering wheel feels very steery"
I'd go one better... This shifter is very hard 😂
Brings back memories. I had a 1989 Corolla GTS with the double over head cam engine. That car seemed fast at the time and was a blast to drive. It was all black with ground effects and a factory spoiler.
Me too!!!
I have one now I just got, need to do a clutch job on it and I'll be ready to head on out for some sporty slow car fun. Kinda unloved by many since it's FWD, but it looks amazing (better than the 86 imo) and still has that glorious 4A-GE.
thats cool i have one of those AE92s also
I can tell you’re telling the truth because you use the term “ground effects”. My dad is the only guy I’ve heard use that term. OG 👍🏻
I’ve always thought those were sweet looking just don’t like that they are FWD
Great job on the video folks! Thanks for making it.
I have a 2003 corolla S with a manual transmission, running 130 hp and Ive had so many mechanics say its a blast to drive and its been so well taken care of. Its indestructible, reliable and gas efficient. I drive over highway 17 daily (pretty much the CA equivalent of Initial D) and man is it fun to drive! Fun and doesn't get me into trouble. Best decision of my life to get this car
All I've owned so far is 90s cars and there is just something nice and different about a older car not seen anymore
I seriously love what you guys are doing with all the track time you've acquired. Driving all of these awesome new and old cars is a very cool series. Donut Media Rocks!
All the side-by-side comparisons are what make it way more interesting than the one-off reviews.
The track mode/sport mode button in the older ones would “reduce” traction control. It would allow some slip and make the car playful, but would still help ‘catch’ you if you pushed it too far on the track. The off button is fully off.
Already have my GR86, black with a silver stripe, covered with PPF.
I love it so much, this car is going to stay with me forever, even though I've 2 other cars.
The GR86 is sooooooo special.
The videos have been fire lately, would definitely like some b2b to come back but can't complain too much.
Love this old vs new comparison! More please!! 🙏
I love how they act all serious at the beginning, kinda TV car show reviews.
Then they both have fun and laugh like kids.
Cars are amazing.
Please make that asmr. I always have to look for mustang start ups to relax too.
Nothing like donut media in the morning
Life is stressful as hell and you guys always make feel good content. Thanks for everything 🍩
Not always, remember the odd era of daily pushing random tool tier lists and such consumer, pointless stuff?
This is coming from an Undergrounder
@@tomasfiala1424 who cares bruh the dude was just being thankful. the internet ffs
I still remember checking out an AE86 Toyota back in 1985 when I was stationed in Okinawa. It was such a great little car. Sadly 😕I couldn't afford it because I was having a kid and ended up buying a Plymouth Horizon (yuk).
I would love to have a modern car with all the comfort options we have these days. However have it look like the AE86 from the outside. It's just so visually pleasing shapes.
Finally, a GR86 in a Donut episode! I love the 86 and I'm so happy you guys have a review about it!
Would love to see one of these kinds of videos comparing the different generations of Supra! As a Mk3 owner it would be awesome to see the car I love so much be spotlighted a bit more! Such an underrated car imo
Ummm... did he pass gas at 05:25 while falling out the car?!?!? LOL! 😂Awesome presentation! Thanks for sharing!!!
Fucking love the bar telling me when the ad is over. Literalyl didn't even skip it once I saw that. Was too short to bother.
Fucking awesome vid
Please keep making "hands on" and "on location" videos like these! ❤
It would be great if these videos were longer format. I love the information you provide and more would be better.
I love the BRZ style on that thing. I think y’all should have someone try and win low car WRX. I’d be down for that. It’s awesome.
That's a hard choice. Old one will probably grow in value quicker but the new one will at least be warrantied and easier to source parts for. Either way they are both rad as hell. 😁❤
That’s a great point. The AE will cost additional in repairs to keep going. I have an old motorcycle and it breaks in ways I could never have foreseen. There is nothing better than when it’s running good on a nice day… but that’s not its default setting.
Last bit with Justin is what I needed this morning😂. Another great vid, as well!
@ Nolan, if you like the GR86 and really are considering one I’d recommend the GT86 for very solid canyon carver if you can’t find a GR86. I think Donut could use a Touge/canyon run project with you at the helm! We’d be so down to watch you!!
They can find a GR dont worry lol they are in cali
New Hi-car Vs Low-car series?
@@danlee5138 That would be really cool, but it'd basically be the same thing as the track Subies.
@@skyline2601 high - low drift gt86s
@@skyline2601 I guess, but they were time attack cars, these would be dailies that would do canyon runs on the weekend.
Great video. Love Both Cars
Abrahams 86 is RIDICULOUSLY clean. Seriously, and a great guy too
2 great videos in a row!? Can’t believe it, hope you guys continue with more stuff like this 👍
The Levin should REALLY receive an Up to Speed epsiode!
There is a Up To Speed on the AE86, I miss that show 😢
@@frizzvictor1535 Yeah but it's AE86 *Trueno* not the Levin
@@Gui-bt6gp pretty sure they're identical, apart from the headlights
same car, different headlights
@@atouze nope, both the 85 (levin) and 86 had either pop-up or regular headlights, but the 85 had less power, worse brakes, and a less strong body
Should do more of these but with top gear style challenges
Whenever I hear the video "Pluspy" get mentioned, I get flashbacks of Pumphrey's pronounciation "PLOPSY". I adore that video
Would love to hear your thoughts on the daddy of the AE86, the TE72. It is so often overlooked and I learned so much of how to drive by having one as my first car.
Good luck finding one. I bought one of a fella before covid for 10k and ended up selling it for 25k with a 4afe engine swapped into it
@@Jacobtheunwise Only "cheap" rwd corollas left are the KE70 the Dx corolla. Cheapest running one with clean MOT is 3500€ that I could find.
My 86 was my daily for the first 6 years of ownership. Now my Tacoma is and even though I love my truck I miss driving my 86 when I'm not in it.
the videography is just AMAZING
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I have a GR86 on order... though it might be a 2024 model by the time my allocation turn comes up. I like the exterior styling of the AE86... there are not many 80's vehicles that I like the interiors on. Plastics were super crappy back then and brittle, plus the styling was just off the wall in some cases. The wheel selection is a great fit for the AE86. Great job to the owner for that selection, really fits the car well.
Yeah but Boxy= better
Preach
If you buy the boxy youll drive that bitch to retirement.
Buy the new one won’t last your marriage
🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Boxy on the outside vs a boxy powerplant
Would love to see similar comparison videos of old/new cars. Like the first and most recent Civic Type R, Toyota Supra and R32 vs R35.
Finally, a toyota content. I am tired seeing a lot of Honda and Nissan content from youtubers I follow. Thanks Donut!
I love these cars so much. I’m buying a brz for my daily soon for super cheap. Then I’ll be in the look for an AE86
I daily my 88 Celica, but one constant worry is the possibility of damage. Finding parts is becoming more difficult. I love driving it, but if I had to choose daily, moving forward, I’d probably go with something newer like the GR86.
My first car I daily-d was a black ‘92 Celica GT from 2011-2014, I miss that simplicity in both life and car. Rust basically took the suspension mounts and undercarriage, and some kids triple barrel-rolled it off a ditch a few weeks after I upgraded from it. Sad end to a beautiful car
The difference between European and Japanese old cars vs American. You can buy off-the-shelf for 100 year old car like Model T Ford but can't find wiper motor for e31 bmw from 1999
@@DuBstep115Tell me about it. I drive a '60 Chevy Corvair 769 and I can find almost any part brand new and order it immediately. This is not usually the case for imports, and thus my heart goes out to drivers of much "newer" cars that have to work much harder to find parts.
Yeah I have a 90 Corolla and I’m so close to just hoarding parts
I love how they didn't have a camera rig to shoot inside the car so they mounted the camera onto a harness and used that!
You guys should do a Prelude lineup like you did with the civics
The big question for me is always which is more fun to drive. I think both really. One will be more raw feeling and the other more sophisticated and somewhat more powerful. Either or really. Depends on if you like your comforts or not.
I love that you just kept the take when Nolan just falls out of the car.
This was one of the best videos y'all have made in awhile hands down
just realized Zach's miata puts down 263 wheel horse power before upgrading his fuel pump, to put that in perspective he makes the same amount a 4.6L ford v8 that is insane
I've owned an AE86 coupe, a 13 FRS, and bought my 22 GR86 a year ago. I absolutely love this car and the lineage. Recently took it through the mountains/canyons in Malibu. Planning on doing more drives just as soon as it stops raining lol. In my opinion, fun factor would be AE86 > GR86 > FRS/GT86
For real though, the gr86 is such a good value. You've got to respect them a whole lot. The new integra should be in the same bracket but instead they decided to go after the ILX's market.
The Integra is literally the fancier civic why would it be a better deal than a civic?
@@gotworc I am old. The old integra was such a lighter, more basic car than cars nowadays.
@@sieve5 but it was a more upscale civic, even at the time was it not?
At least GR86 kept the tradition of no power and even less torque.
I would buy one if they weren't so expensive (50k aud), one with big cams would suit me
i’ve got an ae86 😎
They've been around since 2012, get a used one, they're cheap enough to be a common P-plater car
Easy fix. Buy a ke70, fit it with a 4age and boom, budget 86
Nice work!
Grew up around these Corollas as a kid and to this day I dream of owning my own just like how I have it customized in Gran Turismo. The sentimental connection will always be there ❤
The GR86 is easier to get a hold of...to find a mint condition AE is really hard or at least one that is good enough to fix up.
Nobuaki Katayama, The chief engineer who worked on the AE86, later went on to lead the development of the first gen Lexus IS300 (Altezza)!
Where did you do the canyon run later in the vid? I'm driving my E90 to LA from Winnipeg next week and want to include some canyon runs on the way in and out.
Hoping to see a video on the GR Corolla from you guys.
Boys this feels like an old top gear segment and I need more of that in my life
This video came out at the PERFECT time because I've been considering the gr86 for quite some time.
Justin's Subaru XT6 made it into the ad! ❤ Give us more XT6 content!!
Donut media have you ever been to Japan? Maybe it will be nice to make a video about traveling to Japan looking at cars and stuff
Do the same thing with the Z. New Z vs. $40K 240Z with the appropriate period mods (triple Mikunis, headers, Datsun speed suspension, MiniLites). It would be similar results of the same question.
3:14 was a sick transition great work guys
These guys have fill that Top gear (the good one) and Grand Tour niche for me.
holy smokes thank you for making this i've wondered this for so long
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