Really enjoyed. I have a 73 made in 86 in 32-20. Had a bushing put I barrel . Extractor doesn't work all the time. Was my Grandfather's. Very proud of it
Great video, nice to know there’s someone out there that can still work on a steel and wood firearms , most guys want to work on plastic firearms nowadays. 👍
The black plastic guns have their place here on the ranch. We have and use a couple of them. However, the classic wood and steel firearms are works of art and a piece of our history. I love bringing them back to life.
There's a lot of lessons to be learned here. 1) Reloading is not hard. It is serious, but it is not hard. Get basic equipment, get good resources, and follow the recipe. 2) Don't trust anyone else with your reloading. They might lose a lawsuit, but they won't lose an eye, a finger, their firearm, or their life. It's a job you need to do yourself. 3) Pay attention to your firearm. A squib is easy to detect if you're paying attention. There will be little to no recoil and little to no sound, even when compared to the already light rounds you've already fired. When you suspect a squib, unload and inspect.
I love steel and wood. I have winchester 76 and 86 and 94 92 etc. I love the old guns my favorite auto loaders are rem model 8 and 81 killed a lot of bears with them. So glad you are making these videos .
Hey Mark great video. I've found a pretty good method for antiquing brass, copper and bronze. I noticed after shooting BP cartridges that the residue turned my Uberti 66 carrier a beautiful orangish red color. Take a piece of steel sheet and cover it with a thin layer of GOEX (it's the dirtiest) and light it off. Do this a couple of times to accumulate enough residue. Then take a wet rag and wipe up the residue. Apply the wet residue to degreased brass and allow it to discolor. I like this method because it perfectly replicates the processes that built the natural patina on antique BP firearms in the first place.
The first firearm I shot when I was a young adult was a Smith & Wesson number 2 with a 6" barrel chambered in .32 long rimfire. I used CIL Canuck .32 short and .32 long rimfire cartridges loaded with smokeless powder load duplicating the original black powder loads. It shot great though accuracy was alright at 25 yards the groups opened up at 50 yards. Those old rimfires are fun to shoot though getting anything larger than .22 rimfire is hard to do these days. Very nice craftsmanship techniques. Michael Jackson won't be needing that glove anymore. Heck, I'm finding myself walking down memory lane while watching the show.
Fascinating. You are a true craftsman Mark. Over 30 years ago I and two friends built 50 cal Hawken muzzleloaders from a kit. We decided to brown the barrels. One of the guys was a high school teacher. He did some research and found a chemical solution that the chemistry teacher mixed up for us. Every night we poured the solution on the barrel. The next day we removed the rust and repeated the process until the barrel would not rust any more. We actually considered urinating on the barrels like the old mountain men, but decided against it. Then we carefully polished the barrel. It remains in the same condition it was all those years ago.
Winchesterbarrels does good work, just takes a really long time, i’d have to go back and look at my video but I think it took about nine months to get mine, but they did a really good job on it, you did really good work I like how it turned out,
Nice work. Enjoy watching your channel. Been away for a while. Between watching you and Mark Novak, I learned some thing about working on old iron that made me feel much more comfortable taking down my Win 94 Flatband from 1943 to do some feeding repairs. So nice to have it working again and look untouched. Thanks for sharing.
Good video Mark. Well done. Great work! Mismatched bore/bullet diameters are not uncommon when dealing with the old black powder cartridges. The bump up effect of BP helps in many instances. Enjoyed the video....Thanks
Thanks Mark! Of course, this one had the opposite problem from most original black powder era barrels in that the bullet diameter was too big for the bore.
I have a number of antique rifles and I always slug the barrel to determine the correct bullet diameter. It may require ordering a bullet sizing die or a custom bullet mould. If you’re into shooting antique rifles, being a reloader is a must in my opinion. Also using black powder or Pyrodex eliminates the chance of an under load or overload as is possible with smokeless since you always use a full case.
I'm back for another comment. Rock Island Auction has a full crate of vintage 44 flat ammunition up for auction. For the Winchester collector that has everything.
I’d give my left arm just to work on that ranch. That place looks like the place I’ve been dreaming about my whole life. If You’re ever looking to hire on I’m your man. Your am incredibly blessed Man GOD BLESS YA
An interesting and enjoyable 56 minute watch on a Sunday morning. You've inspired me to dig out my Uberti 1866 rifle for a blast with black powder cartridges at the range next week. Looking forward to your future video shooting .44 rim fire.
Good thinking. An 1897 came into the shop in parts the other day. I'll think about how to use it in an episode when I get to it. Can't go wrong with one of JB's designs.
Shame about the original barrel... a great example of why it's so important to understand how simple it is to load BP if one wants to shoot originals like this. People want to throw fast burning, fluffy smokeless powders at guns like this as a bandaid and well, we see what happens when that bandaid gets ripped off instead of the stitches it needed. Happy to see you got it back "in the field".
I remember back about 30 years ago I was up in Washington and went to a gun shop in Oak Harbor. The owner had purchased the rights and original prints for the Hawkins rifles. He asked if I wanted to shoot one of his original Hawkins, and of course I said yes. It was so enjoyable to shoot that 150+ year old rifle, thinking of all the history that rifle had been present for.
Mark, your a talented man and it's a wonderful thing to see you work! I have learned quite a bit from your videos and it has given be a better understanding of how things work on these old Winchesters and Colts. Honestly, the cleaning segments and rust removal is something I believe has benefitted me most of all. No one wants to mar up what is left of there finishes on there precious collections but we certainly want that pitted spot or light surface rust to dissappear. I'm always amazed at the lack of care given to these old guns. Through the years most of my antique Winchester and Colt acquisitions have been quite dirty with a bit of rust somewhere. Someone said we are just temporary custodians of these wonderful objects and we should do our best to preserve them. Connot wait for the next video! Angel 😇
Thanks Angel! There are a lot of people who say to leave them the way they are and generally this is good advice on a collectable firearm in original condition. However, guns that need to be cleaned or have active rust on them need to be cared for and it won't hurt their collector value. You're very right, they need to be maintained.
Awesome info/video! I have a repo '66, love to shoot it! Haven't shoot in a couple years. You have inspired me, 2023 I will be shooting it again. Thanks!
That was a Great video as always. I liked it very much. How cool is that helping someone out with their pride and joy and making it better! I bet the owner will be overwhelmed! Thank you again for making this video! Those 66's are so neat, and being able to fire an original would be a dream come true!
Nice job on the 66. I have an old repro 73 in the same caliber. Always wanted one but now that I have one I really like my 92s much better. You have a very nice set up.
I tend to agree with your client. Owning or just holding a well-worn but cared for firearm regardless of type is always a more spiritual experience than doing the same with a new shiny one. Just looking at the darkened wood with the small imperfections and the steel with honest wear marks does something for my soul. It has something to say, and it allows you to interpret what it is. Perhaps it speaks to us because of our own human flaws. Great video.
Thanks Vernon! I agree. People pay big bucks to make them look new again and I just don't like the look. It takes a lot more work to make them look their age, but it's worth it in the end.
I have an original for a collectable and I have a reproduction to use in lever action competitions down at my local range but my favourite is my pops original 73 carbine which he left me it was manufactured in 1876
Just stumbled onto your channel. I love it. I am fortunate to have some beautiful family heirlooms that I am doing my best to preserve and pass on. Thanks for the great content.
That was very interesting. You're such a lucky man to get to shoot those old rifles I envy you. It looks like to me you do pretty good work so be proud of yourself I am. Don't forget to keep the powder dry.
@@thecinnabar8442 The humidity in Missouri is pretty miserable in the summer. When I first moved there after living in Wyoming for 10 years, I got out of the car and remember how thick and wet the air felt. It felt like I could have flown if I strapped some wings to my arms and flapped them hard enough.
Thanks for another great video. Beautiful workmanship as usual. Can you talk about fitting the barrel vice jaws to the barrel contour? I see various recommendations on this process and also various materials used for the jaws. Thanks again.
I copied that vice from the one at the Lassen College gunsmithing lab. The beauty of it is that it used plywood inserts that form around the barrel and when they wear out, you throw them away and cut new ones. I put thin layers of leather between the barrel and plywood to protect the finish. With a 20-ton jack holding the barrel, it doesn't have the chance to slip.
@@thecinnabar8442 thanks. Plywood sounds a lot easier than some of the other ideas I see floating around. I have a 20 ton hf arbor press. I’m thinking I can just fabricate up some jaws and use it.
I've aged a few of the modern reproduction revolvers the brass parts I put some vinegar an a spoon full of salt an close it up in a plastic ammo can about two hours it takes all the shine off
What a great Winchester and video. I truly enjoyed this video. I for sure will watch it a few more times. I'd love to own a Winchester 1866. I know people want to have them looking as original as possible. But I'd to have a brand new one, lol. It would be neat if we could go back in time and buy a new one and bring it back to today's date, lol. What does a Winchester like that cost? I understand if you can't tell me. Many thumbs up to this video. Thank you for sharing it. Stay well & safe my friend. God bless you.
Yes I went to look for a tub of nitreblue salts I picked up from Brownell’s a few years ago. I planned on using when I was all situated. Well it took some time and life always seems to make things difficult. And the place I had the tub stored at got rid of it and I need to replace it. Brownell’s hasn’t had it in stock for at least 2 to 3 years. I reload wanted to try it out on a couple new firearms I have.
I seen a article in one of the reloading magazines (can't remember what one) but he used a modified lee factory crimping die to make his own .38 colt ammunition with the healed bullet. Wish I could remember the magazine and year. But I'm sure with a little bit of ingenuity you can figure it out maybe start with a 44 special factory crimp die.
Thanks RJ. I ended up figuring out the crimp. I'll likely do an episode on it in the future. I didn't go into detail on the ammo because this episode was already so long.
I would try annealing the front half of the reformed brass as soft as possible and load black powder. I would guess that a soft case mouth would seal against powder fouling for easy cleaning and maybe help with crimping those healed bullets. 2 F black powder, moderately compressed will prevent bullet setback like in my .32-20 WCF.
I rebarreled an 1886 40-82 with one of their barrels and it was to a "T" as advertised but did take a while to get it. That was a few years back and then I paid 450.00. I have that exact same Enco lathe. I bought it in 2002 and it has been a good machine. Just not very rigid and I constantly battle chatter when I turn a barrel but it threads well. Great work as usual on the 66. Some of the old stuff can be a battle to get right but like you if you do some research it usually all comes together. If you have a win. 94 with a button mag. can you please show how it attaches to the barrel? I am trying to convert one from full length to button. Holy smoke is that a M60 action wrench?
I have a new Grizzly gunsmithing lathe for barrel work but do most of my smaller jobs and polishing on the Enco lathe. The button mag on an 1894 rifle should attach at the forend in the same way that a full-length mag tube attaches. The button mag cap has a ridge that won't won't fit through the forend cap and that's what holds the tube in place. Good luck.
Mate that's a beautiful rifle that you've got there, I've been after a 1866 Winchester for year's. Do you know how hard it is to get one of them here in Australia? Pretty hard . But I will get me one. Great stuff mate 👍 great video mate 👍
If your after 1 cowboy guns and gear sell them I got mine from them a 1866 45colt 24 inch barrel but I do have an original 1873 Winchester carbine manufactured in 1876 given to me by my pops which he bought in 1964 but they are hard to find in Australia took me a few months before I got mine I’m after the 86 Winchester original
I definitely think they can up those pressures with the load in that round I understand keeping the gun safe but you should still be able to feed a true pistol pressure cartridge in it
Love the videos and history!! I was watching the 1866 Winchester restoration. I noticed you mentioned you didn’t have a way to age the brass or gun bronze. You can achieve the original look with vinegar fumes. I’ve done a couple of reproduction guns. It will yield that old mellow mustard patina.
Thanks a bunch for the tip and for watching our channel! The vinegar fumes work really well to remove the shine and dull the finish. Honest aged brass or gunmetal framed firearms have an almost flaked look (something like the texture that forms on some galvanized surfaces). I don't think anybody has figured out how to replicate that appearance. If they have, they aren't sharing the secret with the rest of us.🙂
@@thecinnabar8442 yes sir I’ve seen that a lot on bronze cannon especially on the cascabel knob where people tend to touch the old guns on display. I am not sure what the Italian makers use brass or actual bronze. It maybe that the old gun bronze only will do that flak pattern. I have a couple pics I can try to post here where I believe I have a start on it with this process. It’s starting to get the brighter little flakes contrast
Great video. Since it is really not original anymore, would it been better to have the new barrel rechamberd for a cartridge that doesn't have to be custom made?
Curious about reloading. The last 11.000 und of the 66 was bought by brazilian army and apears here in the 1890's. These brazilian 66 came wit the bolt prepared for rimfire and centerfire by changing the firing pin. Use the 44 brazilian nagant centerfire and the 44 henry flat. The poor rolled brass of our ammunition at those times give to the gun a bad function and most was destroyed or sold to civilians. Some of them survive till today. But we have no ammo, and the info i read about bore and groove diameter of barrel turns hard use 44 special brass and bullets
Amazing Mark I Love These Long Videos I Love Gunsmithing and I Love Leverguns and Pump Actions And The Old Stevens Rolling Blocks Winchester Barrels Does Great Work My Friend Leverguns 50 Highly Recommends Them He Got His 50-110 Short Barrel From Them For His Muzzle Braked 1886 Winchester 😀❤️❤️😀👍🏼😊👍🏼 Exceptional Job and Video Mark Is There a Way To Age That Gun Metal Bronze To Get That Old Patena Back Quicker Than a Few Decades Like You Did The Rust Blueing?
Thanks Chris. I'm sure there's a way to dull gunmetal, but no way that I'm aware of to get that texture that appears over time. It almost takes on a galvanized metal look along with the mustard color.
Hi Mark, During the barrel to receiver installation, would a cold barrel and heated receiver allow the barrel align without less force? I have never done this and I was just curious. Awesome video and thank you!!!
Thanks, Chief! I've not had trouble in the past with getting barrels to line up to the receiver. I'm not sure heat would help in that situation. If a barrel doesn't time up, it's not typically because the threads are too tight, but because there is too much material on the shoulder of the barrel where it mates up to the receiver. It would need to go to the lathe and have material removed to time it. This one went on easily and I was being very cautious because of the soft gunmetal receiver.
Now it's just mean cruel and on unjust, what you Have is a piece of history that's just nice I wish I was there just to put my hands on Just To shoot it once or twice
there is a way to age the gunmetal / brass to look aged. I have a original Griswold and Gunnison revolver .when I got the gun it was missing a lot of its parts. So i used original colt 51 parts and modified the parts to look correct and fit the gun. but while doing all of this. some of that the brass did not match. I lightly polished all the brass to look the same. Pouring vinegar and salt about half an inch deep in a bucket .then suspend the brass above the vinegar and water. Over the course of 7 to 10 hours. It looked exactly the way it did at 160 years old.
@@thecinnabar8442 i have a quick question for you i recently bought a original 73 Winchester its toggle links are fairly worn out. Any suggestions on a place to find a set of toggle links.
A friend of mine asked me to put an old Winchester together for him. He brought it over I was surprised I thought he was bringing a 73. But it was a 1866 Winchester carbine receiver and barrel only. Having a heck of a time getting parts. Any advice on on which 73 parts would fit. Thanks for another great video
I love Winchester model 37's. My first gun was one in 12g, I have been looking for a .410 or 28 ga in mod. 37 for years. I have a couple of red letter 12g mod 37's. Why is wd40 such a no no?
WD-40 has isn't a good choice as a gun lubricating oil, so many people think it should never be used on firearms. For this application it works well, but I remove it after the bluing cures and apply gun oil.
@@thecinnabar8442 I have found that people get a bit precious about oil. All Oil stops rust. I have found that baby oil {light parrifin) works well. Also clean car engine oil works and stays on
What could be better than an hour long Cinnabar? Thanks!
Thanks Frank! I had to work at keeping it to an hour.
Great job bringing that ole girl back to life. This video was over way too soon! Could watch a few more hours of this!
Really enjoyed. I have a 73 made in 86 in 32-20. Had a bushing put I barrel . Extractor doesn't work all the time. Was my Grandfather's. Very proud of it
Just be careful not to shoot .32-20 HV out of a 73. Ok in a 92 though
Great video, nice to know there’s someone out there that can still work on a steel and wood firearms , most guys want to work on plastic firearms nowadays. 👍
The black plastic guns have their place here on the ranch. We have and use a couple of them. However, the classic wood and steel firearms are works of art and a piece of our history. I love bringing them back to life.
I've always been a fan of walnut and steel 😍
Always enjoy watching people work on guns. Thanks for the video
You're very welcome!
There's a lot of lessons to be learned here. 1) Reloading is not hard. It is serious, but it is not hard. Get basic equipment, get good resources, and follow the recipe. 2) Don't trust anyone else with your reloading. They might lose a lawsuit, but they won't lose an eye, a finger, their firearm, or their life. It's a job you need to do yourself. 3) Pay attention to your firearm. A squib is easy to detect if you're paying attention. There will be little to no recoil and little to no sound, even when compared to the already light rounds you've already fired. When you suspect a squib, unload and inspect.
Tough work, but somebody has to do it. Thank you for stepping up to the task.
I love steel and wood.
I have winchester 76 and 86 and 94 92 etc.
I love the old guns my favorite auto loaders are rem model 8 and 81 killed a lot of bears with them.
So glad you are making these videos .
I just found you and your channel. I watch your videos to calm down and after work while cleaning my guns.
Hey Mark great video. I've found a pretty good method for antiquing brass, copper and bronze. I noticed after shooting BP cartridges that the residue turned my Uberti 66 carrier a beautiful orangish red color. Take a piece of steel sheet and cover it with a thin layer of GOEX (it's the dirtiest) and light it off. Do this a couple of times to accumulate enough residue. Then take a wet rag and wipe up the residue. Apply the wet residue to degreased brass and allow it to discolor. I like this method because it perfectly replicates the processes that built the natural patina on antique BP firearms in the first place.
That's a great tip! I've noticed that on my brass cleaning jags when cleaning up after shooting black powder.
The first firearm I shot when I was a young adult was a Smith & Wesson number 2 with a 6" barrel chambered in .32 long rimfire. I used CIL Canuck .32 short and .32 long rimfire cartridges loaded with smokeless powder load duplicating the original black powder loads. It shot great though accuracy was alright at 25 yards the groups opened up at 50 yards. Those old rimfires are fun to shoot though getting anything larger than .22 rimfire is hard to do these days. Very nice craftsmanship techniques. Michael Jackson won't be needing that glove anymore. Heck, I'm finding myself walking down memory lane while watching the show.
Thanks, Cameron! Glad it brought back some fond memories.
Its not really advisable to use any smokeless powder in those guns but I guess if its working maybe youll be ok
Fascinating. You are a true craftsman Mark. Over 30 years ago I and two friends built 50 cal Hawken muzzleloaders from a kit. We decided to brown the barrels. One of the guys was a high school teacher. He did some research and found a chemical solution that the chemistry teacher mixed up for us. Every night we poured the solution on the barrel. The next day we removed the rust and repeated the process until the barrel would not rust any more. We actually considered urinating on the barrels like the old mountain men, but decided against it. Then we carefully polished the barrel. It remains in the same condition it was all those years ago.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing that experience.
Great video. Very informative. Thank you.
You bet. Thanks for watching!
There’s literally not enough hypothetical like buttons for this video
Thanks a bunch!
Another fine job from the Cinnabar!
This has been a very interesting and educational. Your customer selected the correct gunsmith. Thank you👍👍👍
Thanks, Mike!
Awesome Video, great job 🙂👍☕
Thanks a bunch!
Thank you for bringing us along on your adventures. I do like this longer format. I know it’s probably a fair bit of work, but we’ll worth it!
Thanks Paul! The hardest part was keeping track of all the clips over a long period and editing them all together.
Winchesterbarrels does good work, just takes a really long time, i’d have to go back and look at my video but I think it took about nine months to get mine, but they did a really good job on it, you did really good work I like how it turned out,
Thanks Jeremy! I'm trying to find my own rifling equipment, so I don't have to wait so long on barrels.
@@thecinnabar8442 Let me know you when you get it I wanna be one of your first customers
Very cool video. I never knew that the 44 Rimfire bullet was bigger than the 44-40 bullet.
Thank you very much for your videos. Would love to see you do a Rust Bluing video. One can never get to many tips on little problems that may come up.
Hope to put one together next time I do a rust bluing project.
Nice work. Enjoy watching your channel. Been away for a while. Between watching you and Mark Novak, I learned some thing about working on old iron that made me feel much more comfortable taking down my Win 94 Flatband from 1943 to do some feeding repairs. So nice to have it working again and look untouched. Thanks for sharing.
You're very welcome, Patrick!
@@thecinnabar8442 Its the little tricks of the trade that really make the difference. Thanks again.
Get a 44/40 Yellowbot with an octagonal barrel, they're a pleasure to shoot and accurate
that came out really nice. good work. fun to see ya shoot it to.
Thank you! Fun to shoot
Super video! Loved seeing that old rifle become a shooter again. Also great to hear someone creates new barrels for classic Winchesters!
Thanks. I hope to someday have the capability of making my own barrels. Until then, it's just a matter of patience.
Sir the work you do is amazing
Great video Mark
Thanks 👍
You are truly a blessed man !!!!
Agreed. Thanks Bob!
The area you shoot is beautiful
Good video Mark. Well done. Great work! Mismatched bore/bullet diameters are not uncommon when dealing with the old black powder cartridges. The bump up effect of BP helps in many instances. Enjoyed the video....Thanks
Thanks Mark! Of course, this one had the opposite problem from most original black powder era barrels in that the bullet diameter was too big for the bore.
I have a number of antique rifles and I always slug the barrel to determine the correct bullet diameter. It may require ordering a bullet sizing die or a custom bullet mould. If you’re into shooting antique rifles, being a reloader is a must in my opinion. Also using black powder or Pyrodex eliminates the chance of an under load or overload as is possible with smokeless since you always use a full case.
Beautiful work.
Thanks a bunch, Chad!
I'm back for another comment. Rock Island Auction has a full crate of vintage 44 flat ammunition up for auction. For the Winchester collector that has everything.
Great video! I really enjoyed this. Thanks!
Amazing work on that ‘66.
I’d give my left arm just to work on that ranch.
That place looks like the place I’ve been dreaming about my whole life.
If You’re ever looking to hire on I’m your man.
Your am incredibly blessed Man
GOD BLESS YA
This was a great video! Thanks for sharing all of the details that went into this project
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching!
@@thecinnabar8442 you have great content and I love your personally.. Very humble and easy to like! Looking forward to your next upload
If more people had half of the love and enthusiasm for fine old guns as you do! Thank you again for your hard work!
Good video Mark. Thank you. Honest and thorough, as always.
THANKS FOR THIS GREAT RIDE SIR
I really enjoyed watching this video. On my third season shooting Cowboy Action and I'm enjoying the history of these 1866 and 1873 rifles and SAA.
Beautiful job.
Outstanding, you sir are a Master Gunsmith!
Really enjoyed it Mark.
This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing.
You're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed it!
An interesting and enjoyable 56 minute watch on a Sunday morning. You've inspired me to dig out my Uberti 1866 rifle for a blast with black powder cartridges at the range next week. Looking forward to your future video shooting .44 rim fire.
Great little rifles! I've got a couple in the shop now to age and convert to 44 Henry rimfire for when I'm able to produce some rimfire ammo.
That turned out 👍
Awesome videos, I really want to see your take on the Winchester 1897.
Another John Browning Classic.
Please keep up the great work sir.
Good thinking. An 1897 came into the shop in parts the other day. I'll think about how to use it in an episode when I get to it. Can't go wrong with one of JB's designs.
Outstanding job and great video.
Thanks so much, Jim! Glad you liked it.
What a great video, great work!
Thanks a bunch, Donald!
Nice video Mark, well done. The discussion about the ammo and bullet diameter was very interesting. Great work!
Thanks Brad. I was a little surprised that the actual bore diameter and bullet diameter of originals didn't match the literature I'd seen.
Shame about the original barrel... a great example of why it's so important to understand how simple it is to load BP if one wants to shoot originals like this. People want to throw fast burning, fluffy smokeless powders at guns like this as a bandaid and well, we see what happens when that bandaid gets ripped off instead of the stitches it needed. Happy to see you got it back "in the field".
Yes, that was a real shame! Black powder is always the safest choice for these old gals.
I’m steadily working on my originals collection
I remember back about 30 years ago I was up in Washington and went to a gun shop in Oak Harbor. The owner had purchased the rights and original prints for the Hawkins rifles. He asked if I wanted to shoot one of his original Hawkins, and of course I said yes. It was so enjoyable to shoot that 150+ year old rifle, thinking of all the history that rifle had been present for.
Very nice I have always wanted to fire a original Winchester 66 super cool.
Thanks Flint! It was a blast!😉
Great work as usual. VERY interested to see the reloading of the rimfire cases
Yeah, that's been a real challenge. I'm working on making the brass now.
Yes, me too. Greetings from London, England 👍🏻
Outstanding!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Thanks, Jeffry!
Mark, your a talented man and it's a wonderful thing to see you work! I have learned quite a bit from your videos and it has given be a better understanding of how things work on these old Winchesters and Colts. Honestly, the cleaning segments and rust removal is something I believe has benefitted me most of all. No one wants to mar up what is left of there finishes on there precious collections but we certainly want that pitted spot or light surface rust to dissappear. I'm always amazed at the lack of care given to these old guns. Through the years most of my antique Winchester and Colt acquisitions have been quite dirty with a bit of rust somewhere. Someone said we are just temporary custodians of these wonderful objects and we should do our best to preserve them.
Connot wait for the next video! Angel 😇
Thanks Angel! There are a lot of people who say to leave them the way they are and generally this is good advice on a collectable firearm in original condition. However, guns that need to be cleaned or have active rust on them need to be cared for and it won't hurt their collector value. You're very right, they need to be maintained.
Great work and a great video!! 👍👍
Thanks Benjy!
Beautiful job, you do great work.
What a great video, you are a true craftsman. I'll bet that customer was thrilled.
MASTER JOURNEY THANK YOU SIR
Awesome info/video! I have a repo '66, love to shoot it! Haven't shoot in a couple years. You have inspired me, 2023 I will be shooting it again. Thanks!
That was a Great video as always. I liked it very much. How cool is that helping someone out with their pride and joy and making it better! I bet the owner will be overwhelmed! Thank you again for making this video! Those 66's are so neat, and being able to fire an original would be a dream come true!
Thanks for sharing this wonderful 1866 build what a great iconic rifle.
Wow! Fantastic restoration, Sir! I would imagine the owner loves it.
Nice job on the 66. I have an old repro 73 in the same caliber. Always wanted one but now that I have one I really like my 92s much better. You have a very nice set up.
awesome work!
Thanks a lot!
Fantastic restoration!
I really like your videos - great stuff :)
Glad you like them!
I tend to agree with your client. Owning or just holding a well-worn but cared for firearm regardless of type is always a more spiritual experience than doing the same with a new shiny one. Just looking at the darkened wood with the small imperfections and the steel with honest wear marks does something for my soul. It has something to say, and it allows you to interpret what it is. Perhaps it speaks to us because of our own human flaws. Great video.
Thanks Vernon! I agree. People pay big bucks to make them look new again and I just don't like the look. It takes a lot more work to make them look their age, but it's worth it in the end.
I have an original for a collectable and I have a reproduction to use in lever action competitions down at my local range but my favourite is my pops original 73 carbine which he left me it was manufactured in 1876
Just stumbled onto your channel. I love it. I am fortunate to have some beautiful family heirlooms that I am doing my best to preserve and pass on. Thanks for the great content.
Welcome aboard! So glad you found us.
That was very interesting. You're such a lucky man to get to shoot those old rifles I envy you. It looks like to me you do pretty good work so be proud of yourself I am. Don't forget to keep the powder dry.
Thanks Terry!
10% humidity! Ha! Right now here in Missouri, I could put that barrel outside and it would rust in seconds!
That doesn't sound very pleasant in the summertime. Living on the edge of the high desert has its advantages. 😉
@@thecinnabar8442 The humidity in Missouri is pretty miserable in the summer. When I first moved there after living in Wyoming for 10 years, I got out of the car and remember how thick and wet the air felt. It felt like I could have flown if I strapped some wings to my arms and flapped them hard enough.
Thanks for another great video. Beautiful workmanship as usual. Can you talk about fitting the barrel vice jaws to the barrel contour? I see various recommendations on this process and also various materials used for the jaws. Thanks again.
I copied that vice from the one at the Lassen College gunsmithing lab. The beauty of it is that it used plywood inserts that form around the barrel and when they wear out, you throw them away and cut new ones. I put thin layers of leather between the barrel and plywood to protect the finish. With a 20-ton jack holding the barrel, it doesn't have the chance to slip.
@@thecinnabar8442 thanks. Plywood sounds a lot easier than some of the other ideas I see floating around. I have a 20 ton hf arbor press. I’m thinking I can just fabricate up some jaws and use it.
Excellent
I've aged a few of the modern reproduction revolvers the brass parts I put some vinegar an a spoon full of salt an close it up in a plastic ammo can about two hours it takes all the shine off
Very educational Mark and great gunsmithing. Was it common to have sling swivels on saddle ring carbines?
Thanks Joe. While it wasn't common, I believe it was more common on the 1866 carbines than on the later models.
What a great Winchester and video. I truly enjoyed this video. I for sure will watch it a few more times. I'd love to own a Winchester 1866. I know people want to have them looking as original as possible. But I'd to have a brand new one, lol. It would be neat if we could go back in time and buy a new one and bring it back to today's date, lol. What does a Winchester like that cost? I understand if you can't tell me. Many thumbs up to this video. Thank you for sharing it. Stay well & safe my friend. God bless you.
Are you ready to mortgage the farm for an original ? a Very good reproduction made by uberti which is a fine gun will run you around 1300 or more .
Original Winchester 1866's start at about $3,500 on the lower end of the condition scale and get more expensive as you get into higher condition.
Yes I went to look for a tub of nitreblue salts I picked up from Brownell’s a few years ago. I planned on using when I was all situated. Well it took some time and life always seems to make things difficult. And the place I had the tub stored at got rid of it and I need to replace it. Brownell’s hasn’t had it in stock for at least 2 to 3 years. I reload wanted to try it out on a couple new firearms I have.
I seen a article in one of the reloading magazines (can't remember what one) but he used a modified lee factory crimping die to make his own .38 colt ammunition with the healed bullet.
Wish I could remember the magazine and year.
But I'm sure with a little bit of ingenuity you can figure it out maybe start with a 44 special factory crimp die.
Thanks RJ. I ended up figuring out the crimp. I'll likely do an episode on it in the future. I didn't go into detail on the ammo because this episode was already so long.
I would try annealing the front half of the reformed brass as soft as possible and load black powder. I would guess that a soft case mouth would seal against powder fouling for easy cleaning and maybe help with crimping those healed bullets. 2 F black powder, moderately compressed will prevent bullet setback like in my .32-20 WCF.
That was awesome
I rebarreled an 1886 40-82 with one of their barrels and it was to a "T" as advertised but did take a while to get it. That was a few years back and then I paid 450.00. I have that exact same Enco lathe. I bought it in 2002 and it has been a good machine. Just not very rigid and I constantly battle chatter when I turn a barrel but it threads well. Great work as usual on the 66. Some of the old stuff can be a battle to get right but like you if you do some research it usually all comes together. If you have a win. 94 with a button mag. can you please show how it attaches to the barrel? I am trying to convert one from full length to button. Holy smoke is that a M60 action wrench?
I have a new Grizzly gunsmithing lathe for barrel work but do most of my smaller jobs and polishing on the Enco lathe. The button mag on an 1894 rifle should attach at the forend in the same way that a full-length mag tube attaches. The button mag cap has a ridge that won't won't fit through the forend cap and that's what holds the tube in place. Good luck.
Mate that's a beautiful rifle that you've got there, I've been after a 1866 Winchester for year's. Do you know how hard it is to get one of them here in Australia? Pretty hard . But I will get me one. Great stuff mate 👍 great video mate 👍
Best of luck with the hunt for a '66. They're easy to find here in the States, but difficult to afford the prices they command.
@@thecinnabar8442 yeah mate , even if I get on I can't even get the brass for making ammo .we can't even get ammo for a 44 long polt her mate . Sad
If your after 1 cowboy guns and gear sell them I got mine from them a 1866 45colt 24 inch barrel but I do have an original 1873 Winchester carbine manufactured in 1876 given to me by my pops which he bought in 1964 but they are hard to find in Australia took me a few months before I got mine I’m after the 86 Winchester original
I definitely think they can up those pressures with the load in that round I understand keeping the gun safe but you should still be able to feed a true pistol pressure cartridge in it
Love the videos and history!! I was watching the 1866 Winchester restoration. I noticed you mentioned you didn’t have a way to age the brass or gun bronze. You can achieve the original look with vinegar fumes. I’ve done a couple of reproduction guns. It will yield that old mellow mustard patina.
Thanks a bunch for the tip and for watching our channel! The vinegar fumes work really well to remove the shine and dull the finish. Honest aged brass or gunmetal framed firearms have an almost flaked look (something like the texture that forms on some galvanized surfaces). I don't think anybody has figured out how to replicate that appearance. If they have, they aren't sharing the secret with the rest of us.🙂
@@thecinnabar8442 yes sir I’ve seen that a lot on bronze cannon especially on the cascabel knob where people tend to touch the old guns on display. I am not sure what the Italian makers use brass or actual bronze. It maybe that the old gun bronze only will do that flak pattern. I have a couple pics I can try to post here where I believe I have a start on it with this process. It’s starting to get the brighter little flakes contrast
Great video. Since it is really not original anymore, would it been better to have the new barrel rechamberd for a cartridge that doesn't have to be custom made?
That's a judgement call that the owner makes. He was committed to keeping it 44 Henry.
Pretty generous calling them “professionals” when they load ammo so light that it leads to blowing up an original yellowboy barrel
Agreed. They're professional only in the sense that they charge money for their service.
Curious about reloading. The last 11.000 und of the 66 was bought by brazilian army and apears here in the 1890's. These brazilian 66 came wit the bolt prepared for rimfire and centerfire by changing the firing pin. Use the 44 brazilian nagant centerfire and the 44 henry flat. The poor rolled brass of our ammunition at those times give to the gun a bad function and most was destroyed or sold to civilians. Some of them survive till today. But we have no ammo, and the info i read about bore and groove diameter of barrel turns hard use 44 special brass and bullets
Amazing Mark I Love These Long Videos I Love Gunsmithing and I Love Leverguns and Pump Actions And The Old Stevens Rolling Blocks Winchester Barrels Does Great Work My Friend Leverguns 50 Highly Recommends Them He Got His 50-110 Short Barrel From Them For His Muzzle Braked 1886 Winchester 😀❤️❤️😀👍🏼😊👍🏼 Exceptional Job and Video Mark Is There a Way To Age That Gun Metal Bronze To Get That Old Patena Back Quicker Than a Few Decades Like You Did The Rust Blueing?
Thanks Chris. I'm sure there's a way to dull gunmetal, but no way that I'm aware of to get that texture that appears over time. It almost takes on a galvanized metal look along with the mustard color.
Hi Mark, During the barrel to receiver installation, would a cold barrel and heated receiver allow the barrel align without less force? I have never done this and I was just curious. Awesome video and thank you!!!
Thanks, Chief! I've not had trouble in the past with getting barrels to line up to the receiver. I'm not sure heat would help in that situation. If a barrel doesn't time up, it's not typically because the threads are too tight, but because there is too much material on the shoulder of the barrel where it mates up to the receiver. It would need to go to the lathe and have material removed to time it. This one went on easily and I was being very cautious because of the soft gunmetal receiver.
Now it's just mean cruel and on unjust, what you Have is a piece of history that's just nice I wish I was there just to put my hands on Just To shoot it once or twice
there is a way to age the gunmetal / brass to look aged. I have a original Griswold and Gunnison revolver .when I got the gun it was missing a lot of its parts. So i used original colt 51 parts and modified the parts to look correct and fit the gun. but while doing all of this. some of that the brass did not match. I lightly polished all the brass to look the same. Pouring vinegar and salt about half an inch deep in a bucket .then suspend the brass above the vinegar and water. Over the course of 7 to 10 hours. It looked exactly the way it did at 160 years old.
Thanks for the tip! I've used that very technique with success.
@@thecinnabar8442 i have a quick question for you i recently bought a original 73 Winchester its toggle links are fairly worn out. Any suggestions on a place to find a set of toggle links.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Lee Shavers Gunsmithing reproduces and sells high quality 1873 toggle links.
@@thecinnabar8442 thank you
A friend of mine asked me to put an old Winchester together for him. He brought it over I was surprised I thought he was bringing a 73. But it was a 1866 Winchester carbine receiver and barrel only. Having a heck of a time getting parts. Any advice on on which 73 parts would fit. Thanks for another great video
You make enjoyable and informative videos. What is your connection with the ranch?
Hello Mark, I hope all is well on the ranch.
On the topic of walnut and steel, could I request a video on a Winchester M1 Garand?
That's a little outside my wheelhouse, but I think we've got one around here somewhere.
@@thecinnabar8442 I thought you did well with the 50-140!!
*That* wheelhouse is on a battleship 😆
Great Stuff! Have a -73 made in 1882 but worried of the load.... What load did you use? Smokeless Cowboy load ?
Black powder. My next episode will be about smokeless vs black powder loads in vintage rifles. Keep an eye out for that one.
I love Winchester model 37's. My first gun was one in 12g, I have been looking for a .410 or 28 ga in mod. 37 for years. I have a couple of red letter 12g mod 37's. Why is wd40 such a no no?
WD-40 has isn't a good choice as a gun lubricating oil, so many people think it should never be used on firearms. For this application it works well, but I remove it after the bluing cures and apply gun oil.
@@thecinnabar8442 I have found that people get a bit precious about oil. All Oil stops rust. I have found that baby oil {light parrifin) works well. Also clean car engine oil works and stays on
How did you age the refinished parts?